/vr/ - Retro Games

Wow this is real? When I heard about it in April I thought it was just some shitty April fools joke.

>>2391537
this seems like a pretty stupid idea, wtf is the point, it wasn't even a good system in the first place
also that "retro" right on the console makes me want to vomit

>>2391537
>
To be clear, this isn't a new system to run your old cartridges, a la the Retron 5 or countless cheapo "famiclones." This is a brand new system being designed to play newly made, retro-inspired games on removable cartridges.

fucking stupid, though I guess some "retro" kiddies will buy into it...

>revive the humble video game cartridge

Have they not heard of the 3DS? Game cartridges are alive and well.

>the system won't even have network connectivity. Kennedy says he's targeting the 16-bit era as the "sweet spot" for the console's graphics aesthetic and hardware power level

dear lord, excuse me while I vomit

>>2391571
>wtf is the point

Probably to cash in on collectors who just buy up every single thing that comes out. There's like a billion of them on Youtube which would be the perfect market for this junk because I guarantee they will all buy this, make a video about it, and then shove it in the pile of the million other games or consoles they never play.

I'm sure all the indie scum will be super excited until it launches, is severely underpowered because they tried to save money, and none of them have the technical know-how or skill to actually make a game that would run on a Genesis/SNES.

I'm expecting zero exclusives, and a couple of shoddy ports.

>>2391537
Hey, they stole that design from this piece of dental equipment!!

That seems kind of stupid though. Who would want to buy an entire system dedicated to indie pixel platformers?

Anything called a "Retro VGS" is doomed to fail.

That said, "cartridge" based game systems aren't necessarily out of the picture. With modern solid state drive tech I could see a future console return to cartridge style games, primarily for the potential DRM benefits more than anything else. It'd probably exist as a physical alternative to fully digital copies.

>>2391605
they are just trying to get a quick buck off of the retro trend riders.

>no rgb or headphone out
I'm hoping for the best but expecting the worse

>>2391609
see >>2391609
anything with the word retro in it is instant fodder for these fools

>>2391592
I'm wondering what hardware they end up putting in that Jaguar case (assuming it goes anywhere). If they're targeting a sub-$100 price tag and 16-bit power, they could easily fit all the needed equipment on the cartridge itself.

Hell, you can get a 16-bit system the size of a credit card from Texas Instruments for $9.99.

>>2391618
I don't know why you would be hoping for the best... it's just a cash grab scam to lure in retro trend riding fools

>>2391620
it's probably just for aesthetic reasons, the whole thing is more about image than anything else it seems.

>>2391623
It would be kind of neat to have a Shovel Knight cart, or maybe Shantae if the system is just a generic ARM SoC, but I don't think I'd pay all that much for the novelty of it.

>>2391623
Theres an easier way to scam people in the retro scene, if it's a money making scheme then the more of a success it is the more money it's bound to make.
Plus it's a kickstarter it's not like it's destined to be funded

>>2391620
I have never heard of credit card sized 16bit gaming systems made by Texas Instruments... if that wasn't just some retarded joke could you please link?

>>2391620
It's just going to be a Pi running some shitty closed source distro.

>>2391631
They're fucking talking about how they're going to make the first 1000 carts of each game fancy colors, I wouldn't give them a single cent for what is obviously artificial creation of rarity.

>>2391635
This is pretty clearly just a get rich quick scam, I'm expecting the stretch goals to go past 2 million with tons of gimmick "super special donator" colors and editions of a worthless console. It's an even shittier version of the Ouya.

>>2391537
It's going to be a kickstarter. Now where have I heard this all before...?

>>2391638
https://www.ti.com/ww/en/launchpad/launchpads.html

I was exaggerating a bit. They're microcontrollers, not gaming systems, but the specs seemed similar at a glance to a Genesis, aside from missing dedicated hardware, of course.

>>2391641
>This is pretty clearly just a get rich quick scam
then they would've done something else, you don't spend your career in retro games just to turn around and try to scam a few thousand dollars when that shit could easily backfire and end up in some serious legal issues with the changes kickstarter has continued to make.

>calling this shit retro

Retro games weren't retro because they used cartridges. Retro games weren't even retro because they used pixel art. They weren't retro because of their gameplay or anything else.

Retro games are retro because they're old. This console doesn't even play old games. So, how exactly is it retro? It's just a desperate appeal to hipsters.

This thread is /v/-tier.

>>2391652
You think this guy is going to walk away with a few thousand bucks if he's planning a console launch?

He's obviously had enough of being poor, and he wants some easy money off the "omg im such a nerd" crowd.

Taking a few million dollars and sending out a glorified emulator box without emulators or any dev support isn't against any T+C.

>>2391652
I don't see anything in the article or anywhere else indicating that the person that came up with this ever spent their entire career in "retro games"

>>2391657
They have hinted that they're in talks with some owners of actual retro IP for a potential rerelease on the system. The only company I can think of that would even consider a niche release like that would be Sega with their enthusiasm for putting Sonic on every DLC service in gaming.

>>2391667
They run Retro magazine and GameGavel. These are things people have heard of and use, apparently.

>>2391670
Atari seems to be as well again recently, also there is the revived Sierra, yes they never made those style games in their original incarnation but the new version seems to be trying to ride the retro wave so they might try something like that.

>>2391657
>Retro games are retro because they're old
Back to your containment board kid. And take the OP with you.

>>2391681
I thought retro magazine fell apart after like 3 issues...

>>2391657
>>2391686
Calling old games retro is in fact a popular misnomer. Mega Man 9, Shovel Knight and Muri for example are retro. Super Mario Bros. is just old.

>>2391537
...cool. That being said it won't dethrone my Mega Drive(s). It'll have to work really hard for that.

>>2391704
>Shovel Knight and Muri for example are retro.
Leave kid.

>>2391670
So, it's what, an emulation device? There's already a million of those out there.

I get the surface appeal of a console that promises some return to the old days of gaming, but when you actually analyze the idea it's just not realistic. You can already make "retro" games for any device. Why would a dev pigeon hole themselves into some proprietary system with a small userbase when they could dev for the PC and reach hundreds of millions of gamers and easily port their code to virtually any device - and not have to worry about securing manufacturing contracts to physically produce cartridges which is a major hurdle for small dev groups.

>>2391686
lol, a retro trend rider kid telling some one else to leave, this is hilarious

>>2391704
You're right, but the board being named what it is muddies things a bit. Also, retro can mean that you're playing old games and evaluating them from a modern perspective.

>>2391709
Uh... what the fuck are you talking about, exactly?

>>2391717
Take your indie shit and leave.

>>2391719
What does being indie have to do with anything? They're still retro games. Do you just not know what words mean?

>>2391704
Better call 4chan and tell them to change the name of /vr/ to /oldgaems/ then.

>>2391713
it's not an emulation device, which has already been made clear more than once
fucking read the thread you retard

>>2391724
Retro games are 1st to 5th gen.

Where the fuck is the janitor?

>>2391729
No, those are just old games. "Retro" means "looking like or relating to styles or fashions from the past."

>Where the fuck is the janitor?
Why do we need a janitor here?

>>2391729
he's talking about the actual definition of the word, not in the rules of this board terms, god fuck, you can't actually possibly be this dense, can you?

>>2391729
Retro can refer to an era or to stylistic choices which draw from that era.

>that subtle 6th-genner meme

>>2391728
If it's retro because companies like Sega are going to release their classic games on it all such releases use emulation, in case you didn't know - they don't reprogram these games from scratch for every platform, then yes, it's just an emulation device.

>>2391737
"Retro games" not "retro", dumbfuck.
>>2391740
Apparently you're a fucking idiot.

>>2391741
>>2391737
>>2391729
6th genners trying to get 6th gen garbage and indie shit on the board again.

>>2391746
>"Retro games" not "retro", dumbfuck.
They mean the same thing.

>>2391752
>what is a Dreamcast

Seems if you throw a curveball at /vr/ out of the normal thread routine the results are like a train wreck. Not that it isn't entertaining.

>>2391753
Not at all.

Retro games refers to 1st to 5thgen. Anything newer makes zero sense.

>>2391742
you are retarded and can't read obvious, fuck off

The closest thing to success the Jaguar will ever know

I understand limiting the power. No point if it can do 3D. But it better at least do 24 bit color, transparency, scaling and rotation, etc. I want something roughly on par with Neo Geo.

>>2391752
What the fuck are you talking about? I never said a fucking word about any "gens," and I mentioned Shovel Knight and Muri as examples of retro games, which is what they are. How fucking stupid are you?

>>2391762
Once again, retro means "looking like or relating to styles or fashions from the past."

>>2391759
6th genner using the slippery slope.

>>2391762
you are a literal retard

>>2391760
Maybe the reason we're all here circlejerking over 20-year-old plastic is that we have difficulty adapting to change.

I.e, autism

>>2391768
retro =/= retro games
Fucking idiots.

>>2391763
I see, you're just trolling. 3/10.

>>2391776
They are the same thing.

>>2391774
if you think that is actually what this board is about you should really go back to /v/

>>2391783
Christ, it was a joke, calm your tits.

>>2391779
says the obvious shitty troll

>>2391781
If you thin 1st-5th gen has ANYTHING in common with 6th gen dlc ridden garbage, death of arcades, platformers, smups, beatemups, and the birth of qte, movies, dudebros, and lazy fucking shit.

You are fucking retarded and need to fucking leave.

>>2391770
I don't believe I invoked a slippery slope fallacy at any time. The sticky is pretty unambiguous.

>>2391713
>not have to worry about securing manufacturing contracts to physically produce cartridges which is a major hurdle for small dev groups.
Oy vey, just send us your game and we'll make the cartridges for you. We'll only charge you $10 dollars per copy plus a percentage of all sales for doing so. Also we'll have to charge you a royalty for selling games developed for our console.

>>2391776
he is NOT talking about retro games in the terms of this boards rules, wtf is wrong with you.

Surprised this haven't died yet.

Those guys were making some money by selling translucid Jaguar shells for the small number of Jaguar fans in the world, but what they aim to acchieve is pointless.

Who would buy a micro-console just for retro games?

>>2391794
1 exception hardly represents the generation.

>>2391792
Once again: retro means "looking like or relating to styles or fashions from the past." That's just what it fucking means whether you like it or not, you dumb piece of shit. Mario and Zelda are not "retro games," they are just OLD GAMES. For fuck's sake.

>>2391792
6th gen was PS2, Game Cube, and the original XBox, DLC wasn't anywhere near common with any of those systems, though I don't know why this argument is going on in this thread anyhow.

>>2391808
6th gen games look exactly like modern games with lower resolution.
You're a fucking idiot. Let me guess first console was a PS2?

>>2391813
How are you this fucking stupid? How?

>>2391810
>DLC wasn't anywhere near common with any of those systems
6th genners loves to ignore that fact when one of the top selling games HALO 2 had tons of fucking DLC.

Started everything wrong with the industry today. And you fucking schmucks lapp that shit up still.

>>2391817
Nice personal agenda kid. Fuck off back to >>>/v/

>>2391820
DLC started on the Sega Genesis.

>>2391813
6th gen games look exactly like 5th gen games but with higher resolution.
You're a fucking idiot. Let me guess first console was a PS2?

>>2391825
You are the child here and you need to fuck off back to /v/. For fucking fuck's sake goddamn it you are by far the dumbest motherfucker I have ever seen on /vr/. I can't believe you even possess enough intelligence to operate a computer.

>>2391831
6th genners don't know what hardware is a guess. No surprise.

>>2391832
>6th gen games look exactly like 5th gen games but with higher resolution.
Low polygon count 240p with low res textures look nothing like high polygon count games running at 480p.

You're fucking clueless.

>>2391831
pay2win gaming started on the NES

>>2391831
Haha, holy shit. Sega fanbois BTFO

>>2391845
A game genie? This kid serious?
>>2391836
>This board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games. Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.

Fuck off shithead.

>Thread about a new console in an old console's shell
>designers explicitly state it will be cartridge based and have no Internet connection
>hijacked by shitposting about the state of downloadable content

Can we just wordfilter 6th-genner (or just -genner)? This argument boils down to "I'm older than you". Intergenerational console wars are the stupidest thing to come out of any /v/-related board. Congrats, /vr/.

>>2391852
Go back to >>>/v/ where you belong you fucking retard.

>>2391857
Na I prefer the games I grew up with.

This thread belongs in the trash

>To be clear, this isn't a new system to run your old cartridges, a la the Retron 5 or countless cheapo "famiclones." This is a brand new system being designed to play newly made, retro-inspired games on removable cartridges.

not fucking /vr/ dumbasses

report and hide, guys
the usual drill

this is even worse than retron 5

>>2391857
The irony is just absurd

>>2391863
Go back to >>>/v/ where you belong you fucking retard.

>>2391868
Go back to >>>/v/ where you belong you fucking retard.

>>2391870
Listen kid. I know you like your little 6th gen shit like PS2 and xbox. But do us a favor. Fuck off.

>>2391870
you're not even trying anymore

>>2391874
Go back to >>>/v/ where you belong you fucking retard.

>>2391875
Go back to >>>/v/ where you belong you fucking retard.

>>2391880
Nice spam. That'll get your PS2 shit in here. Throw a /v/ tantrum.

>>2391864
>newly made, retro-inspired

by no means is this /vr/
if this is allowed then why don't we just talk about other "retro inspired" games like Shovel Knight and CaveStory, too?

no, fuck off.
go back to your containment board.

>>2391889
Go back to >>>/v/ where you belong you fucking retard.

>>2391893
mods please ban this fucktard

>>2391897
Go back to >>>/v/ where you belong you fucking retard.

>>2391904
>>2391893
This 6th genner is still going damn.

>>2391906
Go back to >>>/v/ where you belong you fucking retard.

>>2391913
mods are nowhere to be found, apparently

what else is new

>>2391919
Go back to >>>/v/ where you belong you fucking retard.

>>2391813
what the hell does that even have to do with the comment you responded to?

>>2391946
Probably the "looking like" part.

>>2391897
>implying that you aren't spamming this yourself to make the other person look bad

>>2391953
There's actually like 3 anons calling the spamming guy a retard. Kinda funny.

>>2391952
well that is still taking that completely out of context

>>2391958
Go back to >>>/v/ where you belong you fucking retard.

>>2391958
how would you even know this? are you all in the same room?

>>2391953
what the hell are you talking about?
spamming what?

>>2391579
The vita uses them as well but it's dead so it's mostly irrelevant.

>>2391968
I'm one of them and the other two had very close post times. Safe to assume there's 3.

Dumb. People don't want cartridges these days. They want internal storage to store their games. An indie console needs to be more user friendly for both players and developers, not less. Even then you'll never hit it big because you'll never compete with the mainstream consoles and you'll have nothing to offer that a HTPC couldn't do better.

If they're dead set on being retro then they should literally reverse engineer and clone all the hardware in a SNES (not system on a chip shit), create a console with it that plays SNES games, release a dev kit to make development for it accessible, and add a SSD so you can play games without cartridges. There you go, a legitimately retro console with the possibility of new games being developed for it.

>>2392043
yup... the best thing a developer will pour his heart and soul into on that platform will be games equivalent to angry birds. Why would you waste your time developing for a niche product when you could do less work and make more money?

The "6th Genner" spammer is just as cancerous as the /v/tards, tbh.

>tfw /vr/ is kill

>>2392074
Man nothing like someone saying /vr/ is dead while posting memetext a feels meme and shitposting.

Damn 6th genners.

>>2392060
I think the folks behind stuff like Retro City Rampage and Shovel Knight would do a port to a system like this, if only for the 'retro nerd' cred.

The RCR guy actually demoed a near-complete port of his game to the NES.

The developer of this console is likely hoping to build an ecosystem friendly to games like that, but it's not going to go anywhere unless the console is super-cheap to buy and games are super-cheap to develop.

>>2392141
I think you're underestimating the costs associated with doing a run of cartridges. You have to sell a lot of cartridges to make up for that initial cost, it'd be a massive barrier for most devs.

If you go back to the dev scene on the C64, a lot of those games were made by small teams that didn't have that kind of money or connections. They would go through publishers like EA that would take care of all that shit, often with predatory contracts that essentially claimed all rights to the game and guaranteed their own profits while dumping all the risk on the devs.

Cartridges are really shitty for indie devs.

>>2392196
What if the console manufacturer also does a constant run of generic carts so that the manufacturing can be done efficiently in China, and then flashes and labels them to the requirements of the developer?

Surely the technology costs of something like this have decreased significantly, and the only barrier is economies of scale, right?

>>2392212
That doesn't change anything. A lot of these devs don't have thousands of dollars to spend on even a tiny initial cartridge run before seeing any income from their game. If you want indie devs, you need a way for them to distribute the game at little to no cost like an app store.

This is a hilarious thread.

Why not just make something like a software-based console? Like an emulator for a console that doesn't exist? The people making it can create versions for all the different OSs and platforms out there so it'll run on anything and the developer wouldn't have to worry about any of the platform-specfic details, just program once and it'll run identically everywhere. Then after you establish a user base and games, you create a console specifically to run your engine with hardware designed to get cheap, optimal performance.

>>2392238
I don't think anyone is expecting first-run exclusives on this thing. The already-successful lolsoretro indies with an interest in authenticity would have enough for limited-production cart runs.

Even new developers can do preorders. I got my Pier Solar Genesis cart a couple months ago after a $60 preorder, and that's a small-batch custom production run. If the hardware is standardized and going to multiple devs, then the price per unit on carts can be smaller.

>>2392250
So like Java?

>>2392254
>>2392250

Yeah I think you basically just described Android.

>>2392252
Not a good idea to base a console on the hope that some established game devs would spend their time doing a port for a niche userbase that would likely end up costing them money.

And charging people in advance for their pre-order then using that money to pay for the printing is unethical and dangerous wtf do you do if something goes wrong and you don't have the money to refund people?. In general, pre-orders don't charge you until you until the game actually ships.

>>2392267
Well no shit it's a bad idea, but I kind of have some perverse hope that it succeeds.

In the example I used, the Pier Solar cart, it worked how you said. They didn't charge until it shipped. The purpose of the preorder, I imagine, is to guarantee a certain amount of interest in the production run so as to more easily negotiate credit and manufacturing.

... So retron isn't at all a clone console.
Is an FPGA running actually equivalent hardware a clone console?

>>2392320
That's down to a semantic argument.
If you can run an entire console accurately on an FPGA, some will consider that cloned hardware and some will call it emulation.

It's a wonder more shitposting doesn't arise in that vein regarding SD2SNES.

>>2391663
Nah, this thread is pretty typical /vr/ reaction to this kind of stuff.

>>2392141
Sounds like a beautiful dream that will never work in reality. (Communism)

>>2392257
Kek...
>If they won't make a decent new retro styled game for android what makes anyone think they'd do it for this niche pos.
You are absolutely correct sir.

>>2392419
To be fair, Android doesn't ship with a decent 2d-focused controller.

To continue to be fair, neither does this thing.

To murder my thesis, the only things separating this from Ouya are the Jaguar case, the cartridge gimmick, and the lack of Internet access. The makers a clearly banking on retro hype as a market differentiator.

>>2392427
It's a conundrum. People would make decent retro controllers for android... If they would make decent retro games...
>If you build it they will come...

>>2392405

Well, it kind of worked in cuba, you just have to leave aside the american campaign against it.

>>2392529
The best retro controller for Android is a Dualshock 3 with a mounting bracket. The problem is that developers for Android have to target the lowest common denominator - people with 2-year-old phones and no accessories - if they want to profit from a $1 or ad-supported game.

>>2392537
They lived off of American tourism before they received Soviet funding for Castro and his cronies. Cuba never worked. They just never managed to correctly decide which exploitation was in their best interest. Their indecision lost them support from both. You want the money of tourists 90 miles away then you shouldn't support the opposing government of a country thousands of miles away. Indecision and poor leadership screwed Cuba. You can't eat your American dollars and host your soviet missiles also. Communism never worked. That's why cuba is cuba.

>>2392561
That makes sense. Modern tech lacks a standard platform that allows developers to create a decent library of games. I alost wish it was all just security patches and they'd let the rest of the software build a catalog like in the old days. It's like every other "update" on android breaks the compatibility of other games.

>>2392561
Explain mounting bracket? Like one that holds a phone or tablet with the moga products?
>Or do you mean adapter. My buddy has some home brew stuff that lets him use playstation controllers on android games.

>>2392591
You can get software to pair your playstation controllers through bluetooth. The bracket is just so that you don't have to prop your phone on anything, making it into a ghetto mobile console.

>>2391842
>>2391820

Every anon complaining about "6th genners" here is just one guy, isn't it?

No, any new game released on this console is not /vr/. But instead of quietly reporting it and moving on, you have to drag down every single off-topic thread into 300 post meta shitflinging. At this point, I would gladly let people discuss Halo if it means personally spiting you.

No one will develop for it.

Which is the main issue.
Why would you develop for some weird system with arbitrary restrictions and no doubt a really small owners when you can just develop for Wii-U/PS4/Xbox One or PC and get a steam release?

Its totally going to be DOA. I don't understand how -anyone- can think this is a good idea.

>>2391537
>create system with cartridges
>uses micro sd or sd cards to store games that are inserted into the cart
>I lost interest after I wrote that last bit

I liked the Jaguar better as dental imaging hardware.

>>2391631
why the fuck would you use ARM on this?

The logical choice is 68k, going with literally anything else would be stupid and a waste of time

oh, guess what? from the article:
https://archive.is/TUoF9

>the Retro VGS will be built on an "FPGA combined with ARM architecture

dead on fucking arrival

>>2391537
>brand new 16bit system
>brand new 16bit games
I don't see the problem here.

>>2392650
It's obviously the same guy trying to force some shitty buzzword here. If you look at the archives nearly every post with the term "6th genner" is written in the same way. The guy should hang out on /tv/ for a bit and really learn the true tips and tricks for forcing memes.

5th genner... 6th genner...
>You're all just bruce jenner to me...

What a stupid idea. Cartridge home consoles died out for a reason.

>>2392938
yup. Discs killed em with better graphics then emulation was the final nail in the coffin...