/vr/ - Retro Games

My CRT is alright but it doesn't look good in pictures.

>>2371830
My CRT looks fantastic, but I'm not a normie who spends hundreds of dollars on an SLR to take pictures of my normie friends and vacations.

>>2371837
I'd like to get something nice to use, but everything I take is done with a <$20 point'n'shoot from ebay.

http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/sop/4997994388.html
Old rebranded c64 monitor, but it uses a special Sears connector.

http://www.oldsoftware.com/softimg6/sears.jpg
I was thinking I could use this cable with a SCART to 9-pin, since it all carries RGB, it should work fine, right?

>>2371721
What game is that?

>>2372029
Final Fantasy II
Origins version.

>>2371721
disgusting fuzzy warped mess

>>2371837
I feel the same way. The picture on my Sony looks very robust and colorful and yet I can't take good pictures that show it fully.

Can someone tell me why my flatscreen CRT does this in the top right corner? It ever so slightly goes inward, while everywhere else is a straight edge. Its so subtle but still annoying

>>2372032
Sweet. I've never even heard of that. Never played 1 and 2 before.

>>2372056
I have the same problem on my pvm

>>2372056
I meant top left

>>2372056
because flat crts are a bitch to properly geo-adjust.
Aside from geometry menu, sometimes you need magnets on the tube itself.

I just got a PVM for cheap off EBAY. I know how to connect a console that has a component cable (component to BNC cables). But what about a console like my top loading NES. is my only option to mod it for composite or get an RF -> composite box?

Is there an even better way than composite -> BNC?

So, on my PVM-1351q, the RGB inputs say "RGB/Component", and the front has an RGB button and a component button. Does that mean this can take component and not just RGB?

I just got a JVC CRT that looks alright. I want to know how to get the best picture out of it and what cords to use. I am using a PS1 mini, Xbox OG, and GC. My TV can use SVideo, Composite, or Component.

>>2372095
Magnet strips on the tube are used to correct convergence (colour) problems, not geometry.

>>2372564
Yes
https://docs.sony.com/release/PVM1954Q.PDF
"Analog RGB/Component input connectors
Analog RGB or component (Y, R-Y and B-Y) signals from video equipment can be input through these connectors."

>>2372558
Composite mod would be cheap, as would a VCR to turn the RF into composite(or s-video if it supports it).

NESRGB can get you RGB, S-Video, or an RGB derived composite. No idea how it compares to the system's "standard" composite output.

>>2372565
>PS1 mini
S-Video. A PS2 would get you PS1 games output over Component, should you wish to go that route.

>Xbox OG
Component

>GC
Stupidly expensive Component cable, otherwise S-Video

>missed an XP37 plus a month or two ago
>somebody from out of state sent them money the day I was to pick it up

I guess I'm not too mad. I already have an XM37 and a 37" megaview

I wish I could trade my XM29 for two 20-26" monitors.

>>2372713
I would totally do that trade.

Why do you want multiple smaller monitors? You don't have everything hooked up to one?

>>2372713
I'd trade my Mitsu for a 20L5, D20 or D24 in an instant; Even if it was in perfect shape.

>>2372606
Great, thanks. Any idea how to make picture quality better on the TV? Like what settings?

>>2372603
So you can't just correct all 3 colours?

>>2372713
Monitors over 27" are very cumbersome. You really need a ton of space and they are hard to move and get to the back of them to reach cables.

>>2372874

I've realized that I strongly prefer smaller monitors than this one and I wouldn't want to trade it for just one because I feel like that wouldn't be an even trade...Doesn't hurt to have a backup.

>>2372958

Yeah...It's a pain in my ass, especially since I don't have my own place and live in a small bedroom.

>>2372917
I'm assuming you're the person with the JVC.

If it has different preset options like sport or movie, either go with just standard or pro if available.
If there's an option in the menu labeled SVM or VM, turn that off. It's nasty edge enhancement and just makes everything look like shit.
In the same aspect, if there's a sharpness adjustment, you don't want to put that too high for the same reason. Just like artificially sharpening an image introduces artifacting, the same goes for video.

Set brightness high enough to avoid black crush, or losing detail in dark scenes. This is mainly to extend the longevity of your CRT. Higher Brightness=Faster Wear on the phosphors.
Adjust contrast in line with the above. In some cases, the two are connected and affect each other even if the menu doesn't make it seem like they do.

Setting color too high will make everything over saturated. Find a happy medium that gives you vibrant, but correct looking colors.

It's hard to give general suggestions without knowing the set and what options/settings it has available. I'd also argue that you should adjust things to the point where they look good to your own eyes rather than searching for some pre-approved settings. If the TV has service menu of some kind, that's a completely bag to deal with and not really something you can say "do this and it will be good."
When doing your adjustments, either choose a game that you know its looks extremely well or something like 240p Test Suite.

What does the aperature setting do on a PVM? When I adjust it, I can see that it's doing something...But I can't tell what it is.

>>2372985
It's a sharpness adjustment from what I can tell. It just seems to do stuff along the same lines as VM. I leave it at its lowest setting on mine.

>>2372979
>If it has different preset options like sport or movie, either go with just standard or pro if available.
Custom would also likely be a viable choice.

>>2372979
So there are no sharpness sliders, but there are detail and picture. What do then?

>>2373047
>>2372979
Pic related, don't notice the scrolling bars while playing though.

>>2373061
Even with good pictures, the tube always looks better in real life.

>>2373047

Detail is sharpness.

>>2373047
What do each of them do when you adjust them?
Detail could be a sharpness control, and picture is possibly for tint/hue?

>>2373130
There is already a Tint scroll, also a Color and Brightness which I adjusted accordingly.

>>2373130

Detail is definitely sharpness...I used to have a JVC, and they seem to like to use the word "detail" instead of "sharpness".

Just picked up a new crt from goodwill today.
Its a Sharp and looks pretty good but my phone camera sucks

>>2373276

I'm just going to post two photos of my new monitor. I bought it expecting more versatility and an overral better image quality for old software. It's wonderful for the many VNs that don't really get past SVGA. It also gets a decent picture for emulation, albeit it isn't impressive at all and I personally prefer the quality of my own SNES hooked up through RF. Choplifter 3 looks miles better in the real hardware, regardless of the connection type. It might be because it has awfully washed out colors, maybe. Earthbound is barely ok, though. All in all I'd say it's a mediocre monitor with average picture that just does its job. I can't complain since I got it for less than 10 dollars.

>>2373367
I'm really satisfied with its quality for Tsukihime. It baffled me how much better the characters look in comparison to how they were pictured in my LED display -without stretching, which forced me to play in a small box lost in the midst of 1920x1080 pixels that hate and distort anything below them-. It's simply better. Once I'm finished with it I'll play Clannad.

Turns out my phone has a decent-ish preset for shooting screens.

>>2373372
Try watching old SD anime on it. It's great.

>>2373689
I'm not really that well-versed in really old anime; what's something fun that I could watch on my PVM just for shits and giggles?

>>2374021
MD Geist

>>2374021
Probably wouldn't be a bad time to get into it.
Might do that myself, actually.

>>2372056
Im so annoyed by this.. Even tinkering with the geometry setting in the menu doesnt help.. Discouraged, Im thinking of just tossing it.

Just got this PVM-1350.
I have a SNES and a Playstation I'd like to play on it. What would be the easiest way to get the best picture out of this?

>>2374409
Best picture, build/buy a BNC to SCART adaptor, then get SCART cables for your consoles.

For reasonable picture, you can get S-video cables that plug straight in.

For bargain basement picture, get a single BNC to RCA adaptor and just plug the yellow wire in.

>>2374416
So something along these lines?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Male-RGB-Euro-SCART-to-4-BNC-Audio-Cable-BUILT-IN-SYNC-STRIPPER-XM29-PVM-etc-/201322128330

http://www.retrogamingcables.com/super-nintendo-ntsc-rgb-av-scart-cable-av-lead-cord-for-sale.html

>>2374021
>4:3 anime
>really old

Go watch bebop on it.

>>2374429
The first one is overly expensive, contains a sync stripper you almost certainly don't need, and has a male SCART. Look for something with a female SCART end, retrogamingcables do one that works fine with good quality. The second cable is fine, try and get cables that use pure sync instead of composite video + sync.

>>2374429
>built in sync stripper
Damn. Things sure have moved along since I had to get one for myself.

Those cables you're looking at seem about right. Remember that there are two different kinds of SCART RGB cables. Euro SCART and JP21. If you get a Euro SCART -> BNC adapter, make sure you buy all Euro SCART cables.

>>2374454
>>2374440

I went ahead and got both from retrogamingcables. I'll post some pics when I get everything hooked up. Thanks for the help.

>Old PC monitor
>Get it set up for emulating and shit using wiki instructions
>At any resolution under 1024x768, it does shit in pic related where the sides indent inwards by shitloads
Why does it do this?
I thought only flat screens were suppose to have this issue.

>>2374519
Usually that can be fixed in the monitor's menu.

>>2374550
Max settings already. Even then, the way it pushes out makes it seem like something else. I wish I had the monitor on me right now, but it's like the indenting is off. Only does it on resolutions under 800x600. Don't know why I put 1024x768 before.

The left is with geometry at lowest whereas the right is how it looks with geometry settings at the highest.

Is a flatscreen crt necessarily better than a rounded tube? I hear good things about both. Im deciding between a curved sony trinitron or a flatscreen panasonic.

>>2374884
Large flatscreen CRT's are harder to correct geometry issues on. Otherwise, there really isn't a difference.

>>2374941
Do they also get more convergence/geometry issues to begin with?

>>2374519
>>2374583

Hit it on the side, or check for the "pillow" parameter in your menu.

I'm pretty sure I fucked my CRT.

I went into the service menu to adjust the vertical/horizontal height and size as there was some fairly bad overscan issues.

Without even writing the changes, pic related has happened to all 60htz content. I have no idea why, and I only changed the appropriate settings to correspond with the picture adjustment.

Does anybody have any clue what's happened to the 60htz content? It's like it suddenly stopped accepting it as a format and refuses to display it properly. It's not the PS2, I've tested two.

The best way to describe it is that it's like extreme interlacing with black bars.ANY help to fix this and just get it back to normal would be greatly appreciated.

Things I've tried:

- Turning it off and unplugging it, considering I didn't write the changes
- Resetting the options to what they originally were

None of which worked.

The service manual is here, and starts relevant information for the service menu options at page 18.

http://diagramas.diagramasde.com/televisores/KV-DR29M61_AG3E_987236901.pdf

Is this a shit TV?

>>2375167
If it's a Trinitron, it's not shit - but it might be quite old and worn out.

Daily reminder that this is the best RGB SCART switch unless you want to pay in excess of £200.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Universal-Scart-System-Selector-GameCube/dp/B0000DG9SK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1430390307&sr=8-1&keywords=mad+catz+rgb+scart

They don't make em anymore, so get them while they're still available.

i changed roms on my phone and this one's camera isn't as good at capturing my crt

EGA

>>2375167

I own the B model, not the U one, and I can say it's a nice TV. It's not he best, but it's still enjoyable.

>>2373653
Nice! Your phone seems to work better than my digital camera haha

>>2375154

A follow up to this, I fixed it.

I have no idea how a random option so deep in the submenu got changed, but it was one very specific setting that fixed it.

It took me 2 hours of trying every fucking option until I finally found something that made it go back to normal. By the end I'd pretty much learnt how to use CRT service menus... at least, for Sony CRTs.

I ended up fixing the overscan and geometry issues too at the end of it all, so i'm very happy it all worked out. I was convinced I was going to have to just throw it out.

I posted a problem I had with my PVM a couple of threads ago where there was a wiggly picture at the top of my screen. Turns out this had nothing to do with my splitter box or signal. I took the PVM apart and fiddled with the pots and it turned out to be the video phase that was out of whack so it's fixed now thanks everyone!

>>2375619
I think the FF Battle Archives are the only SNK ports that run in real 240p

>>2375698
the savage reign \ kizuna encounter port is 240, as is kof 2000 in the 2000\1 pack.

you can hex edit some iso's to get 240p out of them
i did it with the last blade anthology

pic is out of focus tho

>>2375718
Works for Metal Slug Anthology too.
Parts of Metal Slug 6 look oddly soft in comparison to the previous 5 though. Not sure why.

Not sure if it's just how the PS2 handles it, but they also seem to be output slightly thinner than the Virtual Console release of X; I've never seen them on actual hardware, so I can't say which is more proper.

>>2375741
MS6 was on Atomiswave hardware and had painted backgrounds and a couple of other things that'll make it look quite different from 5 and back, which were all Neo-Geo games.

>>2375769
I am aware of that, but it still doesn't make sense why part of the assets would be soft and others relatively fine.

Based on the way it loads, I figure they just threw the already existing standalone port on the disc.

How would one recommend transporting a 32 in trinitron down a long flight of stairs?

>>2375801

With a friend.

>>2375806
32 inch? Bring 2.

Is ebay a good place to find CRTs? I'm looking for a trinitron, no luck with the thrift stores around my area so far.

>>2375984
Nope.

>>2375984
Yeah, if you're willing to wait long enough.

Try craigslist/gumtree if you just want something cheap.

>>2375986

What's wrong with it?

>>2376003

Yeah, i'm willing to wait a few weeks for it to arrive if that's what you mean.

>>2376020
>What's wrong with it?
ebay has very high cost for shipping and CRTs will break if the guy doesn't make a crate for it.

>>2376024
You could hypothetically find one locally via ebay, though the chances of that aren't that great.

>>2375984
>>2376041
For what its worth I got my gdm-w900 from ebay for £20. Don't expect to get so lucky though.

Anyone know anything about this model? Sony Trinitron KV27F300
The guy said he didn't know what the resolution is or anything like that, and I have no idea how to figure it out from the pictures.

>>2376183

>>2376183
It's a KV27FV300, can't you read the picture? Barely worth getting. 240p-480i support only.

>>2376193

It's pretty cheap and I don't have any CRT at all, 240p/480i is fine for me until I find something for ps2/xbox/gc.

>>2376198
I hope you realise a 27" monitor will be a couple of hundred pounds.

>>2376198
If you are looking for something for post dreamcast and on. Get a Panasonic Tau, those crts are the tits. Amazing quality picture. Shit for anything pre dreamcast tho

>>2376053
I require details.

>>2376193
>>2376260
>Barely worth getting. 240p-480i support only.
You trying to be cheeky or something?

That'd be a great TV for retro and decent at the very least for 6th gen. Won't support progressive scan for them, but it's definitely a good set.

>couple of hundred pounds
Few pounds over 100. A friend to move it might be useful but not explicitly required assuming you're not a hungry skeleton.

>>2376193
looks like it has component so maybe 480p too?

I realize this is probably a no-brainer question.
I wanted to play some shmups on my old sony KV tv, so I turned it on it's side, and set it on top of a milk crate for ventilation.
I've read online that rotating a CRT is totally fine, and mine was indeed fine at first but after a couple of days I saw the left 20% (or top 20%) of the screen had a very strong purple tint.
I freaked the fuck out and rotated it back to normal, and now everything's back in working order, the purple tint is gone entirely.
When I rotate it again, the purple tint comes back. This is really bumming me out because I wanted to play some god damned shmups in portrait mode.
I've never had something like this happen before, what the hell am I experiencing here?
sorry for clogging your thread with stupid questions

>>2376314
There are magnets inside the tv and some dont like to be rotated. I read that rotating a tv while off and letting it adjust for a while first may help but it depends no the tv. You may also want to try moving the tv to different spots in your room because other things may be effecting it.

>>2376183
>FV300
It's a very good model for retro. You can find some on the same tier at larger sizes, if you want that. If 27" is your ideal size, there aren't really any better.

>>2376307
It doesn't. FV300 is high-end, but SD only.

>>2376351
27'' is also about the highest I would call decently manageable.

Anyone know if http://www.cnet.com/products/jvc-av20d202/specs/ can do 480p? I'm hopefully gonna pick it up from kijiji, and I'd be even more in love with it than I already am if it could do 480p.
go to bed daniel

>>2376314
its the earths magnetic field.

i believe many crt monitors are magnetically shielded but i expect most tvs wont be.

i think with repeated degaussing/power cycles the tube will adapt to vertical orientation, but of course you get the same problem when its time to go back to horizontal.

>>2376362
Thanks for the picture. Via Wii?

>>2376314
I remember the Namco museum games were the first ones I'd ever encountered with a feature like this. Before you activated it, there was a warning that popped up, saying you should be careful not to drop it or do anything else dumb with it.
At least I got to play Galaga in its original orientation, but yeah, everything was green and purple.

>>2376541
The answer to that question is "no". Multiscan crts (outside computer monitors) hardly existed. Even HD trinitrons upscale everything to 1080i, from what I recall.

>>2376793
I find it hard to believe 480p is on my HD Trinitron. It looks pretty close to the way 640x480 does on a PC CRT. Though mine is a hi-scan model and not a super fine pitch one which has the highest resolution.

>TFW no PVM L5 Series
>TFW no Multiformat BVM Series

One day i'll have you.

Does /vr/ like the older black style or the newer silver style Sony CRTs? Image related.

I like the look of the older black style Trinitron TVs that have a slight curve to the screen. I mainly see the newer silver style FD/WEGA flat screens on eBay Gumtree etc. One of them had DRC-MF? I don't know much about that but guessing it isn't good for retro vidya?

29" is around the size I want with at least S-Video input. Any models in particular I should keep an eye out for? any models I should stay away from? I want to shoot things so no 100Hz.

Maybe one day I'll get that Sony BVM or NEC XM but they are rare as rocking horse shit lately.

>>2377168

I like neither, 70s and 80s styles are way better imo.

>>2376749
SNES mini with the simple RGB mod on the PVM.

>>2376760
It is a really neat option though.

>>2377215
>SNES mini with the simple RGB mod on the PVM.
thx. i was drunk and thought i asked you for F-ZERO pics not DARIUS TWINS

still, i appreciate the photos you post haha.

I Agree! Unfortunately the most realistic option for me is the newer black or silver models. I've only seen 1 ProFeel from the 80's listed recently.

>>2377168
Just look up the model on wiki. Not every FD Wega is HD, DRC is only for HD models.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FD_Trinitron/WEGA

>>2377220
It's cool.

Amusingly, I was just about to get on that.

>>2377168
I am quite partial to the black sets (I have one myself), but objectively in terms of display the silver ones should be much better considering later manufaction date and less hours as well increases in technology.

So I may just puck up that Diamond Pro 91TXM after all, though I've got another question-
They've got a few Commodore 1702 up for sale. They originally wanted 100$~200$ for them individually, though they're included in their GOB sale, which is 60% off everything in store. Should I pick one of these up? I absolutely love the design & aesthetic of them, however, they don't support pure RGB, but a front composite input & Luma & Chroma, which I believe is S-Video. I could probably bring my PS2 there to test the composite image quality as that's the closest thing to retro I have on hand atm. Do they sell premade cables for the back? Am I going to have to commission someone to make said cables?

>>2377247

>They've got a few Commodore 1702 up for sale. They originally wanted 100$~200$ for them individually ... Should I pick one of these up?
>100$~200$
>for a Commodore 1702

Don't, they're not even worth 50 bucks each. If you need one (for a Commodore 64 for example), then check for one that is sold for 10 bucks, that's what they're worth now.

Hey /crt/, I got a 1444QM recently and I have no idea how to get into the menu or service menu, my 20M4A has a completely different from panel with knobs.

Can someone help me out?

>>2377241
FD trinis have more geometry issues tho, some cannot be fixed in the service menu.
Black Trini also seem to have better sound, it seems they use bigger speakers.

>>2377283
I found the problem. The monitor is upside down!

Has your monitor ever displayed text on the screen? I only ask because when I see those color temperature adjustments it reminds me of my 1910 which has no menus of any kind. I had to open it up and adjust the geometry pots. Maybe it doesn't have a service menu and only has analog adjustments. I'm not sure when these were made.

>>2377283
A quick glance at its service manual doesn't suggest anything about a service manual. You'll likely have to open her up if you want to make adjustments.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/zzpo6xjy9uup0lw/Sony%20PVM%20144_QM%20Service%20Manual.pdf

>>2377286
Hmm, it could very well be the pots now you mention it. No text when I start it up, similar to my 9" PVM that I have tucked away somewhere.

Always has scared me to open it up while it's running and configure them, though. Thanks!

>>2377283

I own a PVM-1444QM and no, it doesn't hav a service menu, everything have to be calibrated through the front panel and with the potentiometers on the driver board.

>>2377290
Be sure you know which pot is which when you make adjustments. Don't touch the anode cap obviously.

And my favorite tip. Put a mirror in front of the monitor so that you can see it from behind. You never want to reach around inside a monitor.

Usually if there's no OSD and digital controls, there's no service menu either.

>>2377292
I gave my monitor a reach around when I was adjusting it. Screwdriver on the pot and then popped my head around the front, was just fine.

>>2377345
Well you saw what you were reaching for first. I really meant don't blindly reach into a monitor.

>>2377292
>>2377289
Thanks for the tips and linking the service menu, I have zero experience doing this, so wish me luck.

>>2377345
Not /vr/, but I'm going to be using this 1444QM exclusively for Melee, it'll be awesome to take to a tournament series I run in my city.

>tfw when I'll never be able to find a good CRT because of assholes like this

http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1430498041052.webm

>>2377384
IT IS LE EPIC AND FUNNY AND TO DESTROY DUMB OLD TECH XDDDDD

>>2377220
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOGRa2jruwo
Gonna go take some photos now.

>>2377384
A touch of lead poisoning wouldn't be bad.

>>2377384
lol yeah but how did he even find all those crts? He probably got them from a recycle yard or dump. But still I hate wasteful people and there are a fucking ton of wasteful people.

>>2377352
>>2377402
thanks Kya

anyone ever think of printing out poster sized sprites taken from actual crts before?

i'm thinking about it for the game room.

>>2376272
It was a local pick-up only about half an hour away and perhaps fortunately in this case, I live fairly out of the way so there wasn't any other interest and I ended up being the only bidder. Seems it belonged to English Heritage originally based on the remnants of a sticker on the side and at some point ended up in one of the South Wales valleys which was near enough to me to be willing to go and fetch.
It has some minor geometry problems similar to >>2372056 with low resolution 4:3 content I can't seem to completely correct with the settings, but considering I paid £20 for it I'm pretty happy all things considered.

http://www.crsltd.com/tools-for-vision-science/displays/22-mitsubishi-2070sb-colour-crt/

HOLY FUCK
dat price tag though

This is on craigslist for 20 bucks. Does anybody know the model, or if this would be a bad purchase? It looks pretty cool.

>>2377906
Model is KV-1380R

>>2377906
>>2377921
Would be pretty neat to have, but it looks to be composite/rf only.

>>2377896
> Pixel clock: 390MHz
> Horizontal frequency (line rate): 30-140kHz
whoa!

> Grille pitch: 0.24mm
...meh.

I need a component cable for my PS2 (using it for PS1 games)...Are these cheap generic cables on eBay just as good as the expensive ones picture-wise?

>>2377247
>Finally pick up 91TXM
>Go through some minor BS to get permission to test it out before buying
>Finally take it home
>Two faint vertical lines which I never noticed were there until after I bought it
>No refunds or exchanges
Fuck me. At least I only paid 17$ for it, could be worse I suppose.

>>2377906
love the speakers on the side. 80s trinitron designs are so sleek.

>>2378115
I wouldn't count on it. The one I got had random white noise everywhere. If you can't get an official one then try to get a branded one at least.

>>2378164

Okay...Are there any recommended affordable branded ones that are less than $20, but preferrably less than $15?

>>2378003
I ended up picking it up for $15. Sadly, it is composite/rf only, but I've got a 20" PVM and a 27" WEGA, so I think I've got most of my bases covered.

>>2378190

Is KMD a good brand?

>>2378315
No.

My PS2/3 component cables are KMD branded, and while the picture they offer is just fine, the multi av on my first pair literally fell apart before I could even connect them to my system. The current pair seemed to be fine, but I immediately wrapped the multi-av in electrical tape just to be safe.

Sorry for the potato quality camera, just wanted to share this one.

How many of you bought a XRGB-mini Framemeister or similar product?
I'm mainly looking to get one for my ps1, ps2, NES and n64, but I don't know if it would really apply for me. I understand that it might not be the best available but in Australia I've never seen a scart rgb tv or even a single crt in the last 3 years. Just how good of a compromise is it, and is it just for the absolute manically obsessed retro gamer (sorry).

>>2378636
There's a big issue with the framemeister, games that change resolution have a tremendous lag while changing resolution, your best bet is to find and old crt monitor and hook it up there. also i don't know why but my rgb modded n64 looks like absolute shit with the framemeister actually looks better without it.

I just picked up a Thomson 21MG172 CRT, and it has a pretty good picture (with NTSC support, euroland here) but the image isn't quite aligned right at the right side.

I googled for Thomson service menu but the way they described it (hold down volume - and program - buttons) didn't give me a service menu, just starts the TV and starts flipping the different outputs.

Does anyone know how to access the service menu on this TV or is it even possible?

>>2378750

Have you checked for the service manual of this model (or the one for all the models using the chassis)?
The real service menu access code might be in it.

>>2378636
I have one. It's totally ok. Paired with a good monitor it might be one of the best way to game 240p on a flat screen.

But it has it's problems as >>2378693 says. (The framemeister peeps can't code firmware for shit, unfortunately)

In the end, I still think CRTs give the better picture, but if you have space concerns it's totally cool to use a scaler.

>>2378760
Yeah, I've tried to find one, but I haven't been able to find for free, anyways. Chassis is ITC-008 and there's all sorts of diagrams but I've yet to find information on service menu.

>>2375154
>htz
Stop it.

>>2378750
I managed to find the info on a german site. If anyone else needs it, turn off the TV from the remote (standby), turn down the power from the TV, then hold the magenta (text) button on the remote while turning the power on, until the TV starts and you can access the service menu.

There's all kinds of geometry tests which I may get into later but for now it's enough to get that damn picture aligned properly in RGB.

>>2378376
This is a great picture thanks.

did anyone here by any chance save my photo of ryu at the start of super turbo, i remember one anon almost thinking it was a filter or something because it looked too good apparently

anyways, i deleted a few photos by accident and i would like it back if any of you have it

>>2378863
That pic reminds me. What is the purpose of those bits of exposed phosphor at the middle left and right edges of some TVs? I only really see it on older sets, and have always wondered why they're there. Is it to gauge overscan or something?

>>2378882
Have you tried checking the archive?

Is it this one by any chance:
https://data.archive.moe/board/vr/image/1423/69/1423690342031.jpg ?

>>2378880
I believe I sent an e-mail your way, did you get it?

>>2379012
pretty sure they're used for centering and vslope adjustments.

Well it seems I was right on the VSC being in rather rough condition.
Knobs for pan/centering controls are broken on the bottom half, and the thing doesn't even power on despite the auction stating that it did.

I'll take "Ways to ruin a decent morning" for $30, Alex.

>>2379076
>https://data.archive.moe/board/vr/image/1423/69/1423690342031.jpg
that's the one, thank you
i keep forgetting archives are good these days

>>2372057

While the Gameboy and PSP versions were good, Origins is obviously the best version of I thanks to not making the game too easy while still simultaneously serving as a graphical and music upgrade. Not sure about II.

>>2379532
I've only played the GBA versions to completion. That's actually one of the reasons I decided to download it in the first place. I hear they're closer to the NES versions.

>>2379532

*arguably

not obviously

>>2378106
Well, it's the finest diamondtron out there. If you want lower pitch you'll have to find yourself an F520 but those never last due to shit electronics. Sony fucked up big time back then. My G520 is still going strong whereas the F520 broke down quite a while ago.

What would be considered a fair price for a 14 or 20 inch PVM shipped?

I see ebay listings all over the place.

i need some helpd with retroatrch wii on my crt . What is the correct resolution for cps1/2 and PC engine/CD games and additionals options to configure? For others systems, i use dedicated emulators

>>2379704
CPS2 is 384x224
PCEngine varies by game, but 512 is a safe choice for horizontal res. 240 or 224 for vertical.

Noticed something weird about my CRT when playing NES over composite. Mitsubishi Megaview 37"
When the average brightness on the screen passes a certain amount, the whole screen goes brighter. Does the opposite for when the screen gets darker. It's a very exact and repeatable change, too. I can move one space and have the screen brighten, then move back and have it darken again.
Do some CRTs do some adaptive contrast or something?

>>2379680
There's no way to give a reasonable estimate.
Depends how extensively the PVM has been used (hundreds vs. thousands of hours, etc.), the condition of the unit/tube (chassis and screen free from scratches, display hasn't dimmed over time) and the purported quality of the tube (you're looking for a high TV-line count; 600 or better).
"Shipped" throws another curveball to your price expectations. CRTs are some heavy motherfuckers, and a 20" unit will probably sit around 30kg, not including the pallet/padding required to ship it.

>>2379734
Which model?

It's possible, but I doubt something as old as a Megaview would have something like that.

The picture on my suddenly goes hot and gets odd interference in it sometimes, but the brightness seems to stay pretty consistent otherwise.

I wonder if something is shorting to ground inside or something like that.

>>2379727
Thanks

>>2379762
Maybe it's upping the voltage to get all the bright spots, which ends up brightening the whole picture.

Got my first two CRTs, two wegas. is the difference between consumer and PMVs big enough to justify more hunting?

>>2379812
I find that no matter how many CRTs I have, I want more.

>>2379812
depends on wanted connections, size, condition...
Going from sony KV to sony PVM isn't that huge jump.

There was once an article posted about CRTs being dumped in Africa where they were burned causing locals to get cancer. I need this article please help.

>>2379727
>>2379704
>>2379773
I've noticed that rgui provides a lot of resolutions.. What's the rule of thumb here, should I just look up the resolution of each console and use that to play?

It's a bit irritating that it reverts back to 640x480 every time.

>>2380102
>What's the rule of thumb here
Use RA only when you need to.

CPS2 is all I really use it for. Occasionally PCE when Mednafen is acting up or something.

Interested in trying something CPS1 on it, but the only two games I can manage to load are Mega Twins and Strider Hiryû.
A few of the CPS2 things I downloaded aren't working either, but I dealt with that the first time and was sort of expected.
The few links I've found have said to look for a 0.2.97.30 romset, but I can only seem to locate .34/35

>>2380115
Ok, so I should just stick with the standalone homebrew emulators then?

Would you say snes9x, fceu gx, and genesis plus all better options than their libretro counterparts? Those are the systems I'm mostly looking at. My needs are pretty basic.

>>2380136
Genesis Plus GX and FCEU GX have both worked perfectly fine for me, so I don't see a need to use libretro cores for those two (3/4?) systems.

I was about to say that RA's 9x Next core might have a leg up on 9x GX, but upon testing, even SMW seems to be glitched graphically.
SMW has garbage all over the place,
MMX3 has distorted scrolling during the intro stage cutscene and gets an odd duplication of the entire screen in the bottom left hand corner.
SMRPG has glitching in the intro and garbage at the save select screen.

This could be something wrong with my configuration of RAWii(which has given me trouble before) or possibly even the GPU in my Wii going. The very same games run perfectly fine on standalone counterparts, so I really don't know what's going on here.

If you decide you want to emulate GB/GBC/GBA games, grab the fork of VBA GX that's recently popped up on gbatemp. You get properly formatted 240p akin to wiiMednafen's implementation of it with considerably less slowdown.

>>2380206
great info, much respect for taking the time. I have never gotten VBA to run anything full speed in RA but I will definitely grab that if it can run stuff smoothly.

Just out of curiosity, what controller do you use on Wii. I was about to get a classic controller but I see that they are not truly wired (despite having a wire) and GC controller doesn't seem great for 2D stuff.

>>2380215
>I have never gotten VBA to run anything full speed in RA but I will definitely grab that if it can run stuff smoothly.
Shantae runs correctly in the Gambatte but without the ability to have the correct aspect ratio, be it in double strike(240p etc), interlaced, or progressive.
Mednafen has the correct aspect ratio but plays incredibly slowly.
This fork of VBA will do both: http://gbatemp.net/threads/new-vba-gx-fork-2-3-0.371284/
Speed on GBA games is at least as good as the RA core. Only thing speedy I've tried out is Sonic Advance 3 and that had slowdown but was reasonably playable.

>Just out of curiosity, what controller do you use on Wii?
Pic related. SNES shape and shoulder buttons, GC face buttons, great d-pad. Quite pricey though; I spent $80 for it at the end of 2013, and they seem to be going for $100 or so now.

Classic Controllers are alright, but one of the two (pro) that I have seems to have a finicky d-pad that I'm not a fan of in the first place. The Hori Digital Pad is the same size and shape as the SNES; Comparing it to the d-pad of my SNES controller, the Hori's seems a slightly firmer but that could just be from the pad of the SNES's being more worn. Buttons feel same as any first party GC controller.

>>2380206
The vantage of standalone emulators is using the original resolution option. Pic related, snes9x ( non RA) using original option.

>emulating on a Wii
>not using a PC with an AMD card

>>2380215
Using a ps2 adapter + ps2 pad hooked on wiimote. At moment, never sensed a input lag.

>>2380240
Nice. I have that popular Buffalo USB snes pad which looks similar and I'd love to use it but it's usb so no go. Nintendon't (gamecube loader) has some nice options for usb controllers but I don't think anything else does.

Anyway, more on topic. I got another cheap consumer CRT today and it has composite out which is strange to me, not sure why this would be useful to someone. I can use my capture card with it without the need for a splitter I suppose, but judging by the black and white image here it doesn't do any converting and is only forwarding the signal from the Y (green) cable. At least that's what I assume is happening. Colors work fine on composite input.

>>2380260
The wii can run GC games, even the later models and is more easy too use in crt TVs

Okay, got a component cable for my PS2, and I had to turn down my brightness because it was way too bright. Is this normal going from s-video to component?

Also, PS1 games seem to look okay, but 2D PS2 games seem blurry...Is this normal?

>>2380254
Retroarch has the ability to switch to the correct resolution, but the sheer volume of options makes it cumbersome at best and down right terrible at worst.

>>2380260
Setting up a Wii is much simpler.
My current arrangement doesn't really allow for hooking my desktop up to my PVM, and my last attempt at using my 6950 didn't go terribly well. I have an X600 that I plan to use at some point, but that requires another PC to toss it in.
I WOULD have an Extron VSC+Interface setup that I could connect to my desktop, but the VSC 200 was DOA. When ever the interface gets here, I may still be able to manage it though.

>>2380272
Is that what is coming from the output when you're feeding it component? I'm shocked it would give any type of output when not being fed composite.
I have a few images of my GX mirroring the Y line of my PVM, but I can't seem to find the damned things.

>>2380283
>Is that what is coming from the output when you're feeding it component?
Yeah. Same effect if I switch to composite input and plug just the green cable in, so I was right. What a useless feature

>>2380276
Can the black Wii run original GC discs? Or do you mean it's capable of emulating GC via nintendon't or something?

>>2380376
>emulating GC
Nintendon't isn't emulation.

Any Wii that isn't a family model (marketed as laying down flat on the original packaging) or Mini can play GC games outright. They both still have the hardware to technically execute the code, but the former lacks the hardware for input(controllers and the like) and the latter is in locked down mode on top of that.
Family models and even the vWii can play them via Nintendon't, since it allows the use of non-GC controllers.

>>2380206
Can any of those snes emulators on Wii run superFX games at full speed?

>>2380423
The only two SFX games I have any experience with at all are Yoshi's Island and Starfox.

I'm not sure where I could look to see if the former slows down, and I've never really been into SNES StarFox, so it's sort of hard to judge its speed.
A little run through of the training mission on both 9XGX and original hardware seems to show that it runs a bit slower/choppier which hilariously makes it easier for me to play. RA's 9xNext core seems to run about the same as GX, but has the same glitching as MMX3; Only appears when you take damage though. It does have an overclock option for it, but I have a feeling it's just an unused carry over option in the menu, like the black frame insertion one.
StarFox 2 runs decently enough, but I don't have a real hardware equivalent to compare to.

>>2380460
Those are the only two that interest me really, but like you said I have no way to really test if the game is slowing down.

Yoshi had some slowdown in a waterfall cave in 1-1 on 9XGX, but the music speed stayed the same. Which made me wonder if that was "accurate lag" that would happen on real hardware.

>>2380406
>Nintendont isn't emulation.
I misspoke. It's actually an... interpreter, is that right?

>>2380282

Anybody?

>>2380512
I believe that's mainly for the graphical end of things. The Wii and WiiU's processors have direct, native support for code written for the GC.

>>2380486
Just tried it myself, and it does seem a bit choppy. I can sort of see it on 9xNext too, but not as much.
Not there on original hardware though.

>>2380576
I believe going from s-video to component did have a slight brightness difference, but nothing that would require actually lowering the brightness. I don't think Sony required resistors for their video cables.

>>2380486
>>Yoshi had some slowdown in a waterfall cave in 1-1 on 9XGX, but the music speed stayed the same.

That's frameskip

Got this lovely thing the other day. Yeah, it's only composite and RF but, I already have a PVM and this thing is great looking. I love this fucking "Simulated Wood Grain" It only looks kinda shitty because:
>genesis composite

Is the Sony PVM-20M4E a good idea for mostly (TATE) Shmups?

>>2380769
nice. yeah genesis composite is shit but its audio output is even worse.

>>2380769
that thing is nice, anon.

>>2380790
As long as you tate carefully, it'll be great.

I didn't really want to start a CRT thread over in /g/ but I wanted to share.

Found a VX900 (image from google) curb shopping today, the older CRT I was using popped a CAP but it wasn't really worth keeping so I went looking for another. Might be getting a few 22" flatscreen NEC monitors in a few days, previous owner used them for CAD work.

Anywho for something more on topic, Had KV11CR trinitron and a few systems modded for RGB out via DE-15 connectors but didn't play them anymore so sisters husband got 'em.

It kind of annoys me that top end pc CRT'S can't be fully utilized with the 400MHZ RAMDAC on most modern cards. 144hz with CRU is a dream at more modern resolutions. It's also a damn shame that less and less cards have multiple analog outputs through DVI or not and more and more don't have any AT ALL like the 290x. Mid tier cards tend to have at least one still but its only a matter of time.

My Apple IIe composite monitor. Basically the best way to play famicom/NES games unless you have a shitload of money and time for a RGB mod, and want to change integral parts of your system (composite modding is taking an already existing signal and amplifying it, so I dont think that counts).

>>2381581
>Anywho for something more on topic
Despite the thread being rather heavily dominated by consoles and CRTs compatible with them doesn't mean PC monitors are off topic.

>>2381619
Here's a better pic.

If anyone's interested, I did the AV mod on my famicom myself. Lifted pin 21 of the PPU (removed most of the jailbars), and did this.

Used a 6-pin mini-DIN connector (like the PS/2 keyboard connector) for AV out.

>>2381652
image

>>2381629
That's an awfully pretty photo. Pretty sure I've seen it before.

Nice wall decorations though.

>>2381652
I'm planning on doing one soon, if I can fix the broken Famicom I accidentally bought in the heat of the moment. It was only 20 bucks, how could I resist? Should have checked the listing more carefully, hopefully it's just a blown power board or something.

>>2381667
>>2381667
Yeah, a few months ago I posted it.

That's actually a separate exposure for the screen and the surroundings, due to how bad CRT's are for photographing. I swear it actually looks like that though.

>>2381671
I bought two, glad I did because while I did get the first AV modded, I broke it while trying to remove the power module/RF board and replace it. so don't try that :\

The second one I left the power module there and drilled a hole in the side.

Mine was also $20 untested. What's wrong with it?

If it at least gives a gray screen, the PPU is probably fine... maybe not something else, though. Things to check are blown capacitors and the RAM, usually. The CPU failing can look exactly like the RAM failing sometimes.

Always remember, you can swap components to it from a front loader NES.

>>2381667
oh, yeah, the wall decoration is just the power connector pinout of the Commodore 64. I made my own power supply for it.

>>2381674
I had a gray screen once, turned out BOTH chips were fried...

>>2381684
Could also happen.

I really need to fix my solder reworking station and try to swap out some chips...

Do I want to use a crt when emulating arcade games?

>>2381581
>It kind of annoys me that top end pc CRT'S can't be fully utilized with the 400MHZ RAMDAC on most modern cards.

My GTX780 here can display 2280x2160 at 60Hz for about two minutes before it craps out and I have to reboot in safe mode.... H-sync is a bit unstable too at high scan rates, not sure if that's the monitor or graphics card.

>>2381720
Why wouldn't you?

>>2381762
Just wasn't sure

also fuck that game, my sword seems to have no effect

>>2381838
The timing for it is a real bitch, that's for sure.

http://www.cnet.com/products/toshiba-20af46-20-crt-tv/specs/
Is this tv any good? Picking it up tomorrow and I don't wanna waste my time. Seems like it'd be perfect however.

>>2382075
I had it for about two weeks and got rid of it because it couldn't live up to any Trinitron I'd used before. If its all you can get, its nice for what it is.

>>2381838
You're supposed to hold the sword button down, then run into enemies to kill them.

>>2382115
Ok. It'd be a VAST improvment over what I have now. 13inches, 1 composite input (with only one audio plug) and RF.

Am I zoomed in enough yet, guys? Can you feel the CRT?

>>2382265
We need to go deeper.
A single trio needs to fill a 1080p screen.

>>2382265
>>2382308
Its cool to see different crt types and phosphors. NEC slot mask.

And now, aperture grilles.

>>2382308

>>2381738

I know CRU can wonk out out a few CRT'S as it sets weird values to front porch/back porch/sync/blanking on really high resolutions/refresh.

I've used a few sites but they don't have timings for that specific resolution. Next best best would be the monitors service or user manual or use the next highest "standard" resolution in CRU instead of an advanced one.

Anyway anon; I personally tend to use 1920x1200 at a high refresh or if thats not good enough The A high 16:10 that fits into the monitors dot pitch after adjustments. For example you can set it so you will have "black bars" at 16:10 or 16:10 then calculate the screen space your monitor uses in that mode after you adjust the geometry and check if the dot pitch supports it or "close enough"

>>2382428
neato

I have gradually gone to "not feeling right" with CRTs due to the scanlines effect...lately i just want to see games in their purest form..

>>2382545
Well I know a lot of games are actually designed around the screens and formats they were played on the sega genesis for instance uses a lot of dithering to mix colors and make effects which essentially means to play it in purest form would be on composite out on a crt. as composite out on a LCD is generally scaled very poorly, so you would have to mod for RGB out and then it will be super crisp and lose the dithering color mixes and semi transparencies and such.

Theres a ton of things like this I personally prefer RGB out on the genesis because it looks so damn crisp, call me mega pleb for actually modding a few systems for it even.

Anyway anon if you really want it super crisp without scanlines without emulation, a lot of emulators have lots of tiny naggles (like castlevania jump height). I say go with a NEC multisync/syncmaster lcd and use the VGA in from a RGB modified system.

most of the older multisync/syncmasters will happily accept a 15khz input hence the name can be reasonably difficult to find but usually a steal.

Personally I cant find a damned good CRT at ANY second hand store as everyone dropped crt's like flies but I've found seven multisyncs four of which happily enjoyed a older consoles input.

>>2382781
>sega genesis for instance uses a lot of dithering to mix colors and make effects which essentially means to play it in purest form would be on composite

Dithering still works when using an RGB signal, that's why they used these kinds of effects in arcade games an computers.

>>2382545

Play on any TV set or 15kHz monitor that isn't an ultra high-end one sold as a broadcast monitor, either in RGB, S-Videon composite or whatever, it'll do the thing. Most of the time you'll either not notice the scan-lines or they'll be faint enough so that you wont brother them at a viewing distance.
Most of the time, you see ultra-thick black lines in this thread because the guys posting them either stick the camera to the screen, use broadcast monitors or literally insert black lines with a filter.

>>2382801
Some SD consumer sets can also have pretty visible lines unless you step a considerable distance away, particularly if they are bigger than 24" and from the early 2000's. If you wanna get CRT goodness but are somehow bothered by scanlines, the best bet would probably be a 20" mid-to-late 90's set.

>>2382790
Yeah but not in exactly the same way, it's tends to be a lot less pronounced.

>>2382820

It's just that the composite signal erase the dithering pattern unlike the RGB one (though a good composite encoding in, let's say, SECAM or even PAL would not completely erase it), but the effect is still working to a satisfying degree.

Well, this is certainly different.

>>2383025
Wow, twice the awful game!

Man, my shitty cheap Akai TV only has Composite, and not even the Toshiba I have has S-video. Really wanted to try hooking a Saturn up that way eventually.

>>2382923
vertical dithering is ugly in rgb and was clearly made with composite in mind. Arcade use mesh dithering, or even better, alternating mesh dithering.

Also, not all games were made with composite in mind. Some games like the Ecco games get mind blowing beautiful in RGB.

>>2383109
>vertical dithering is ugly in rgb and was clearly made with composite in mind.

If you're talking about these dithering effects used in the Lions King, even though the devs said they took advantage of the composite signal's bleeding, it doesn't come as bad as you're saying, at a viewing distance it's still pretty decent.

>Also, not all games were made with composite in mind.

I never said that nor I hold this opinion. Some game were indead "optimized" for composite signals, some anon supplied material to prove this, but in general games look just as good in RGB.

>>2383161
it's ugly in vectorman games, because they use and abuse it.

>>2382420
I use the nvidia control panel, much easier than CRU (though still nothing like Powerstrip once was). I only used CRU to clear the EDID entirely, so I only have custom resolutions now, which means games have no way to default to 60Hz anymore.

And I don't really intend to use that resolution, just trying to find the limits here. Apparently 527MHz is too much for the graphics card though.

>>2383230
>>2382468
What monitor is that? It looks a bit like a TV.

I always play this with a 3dfx card on a small shadow mask, looks just amazing. My screen has some gamma problems so darker tones have a slight red-purple hue to them. For some reason this works really well with D2, when I apply gamma correction everything seems too green to me.

>>2383025
The DC version was 240p or is it something else? Weird interlacing effect by the TV?

Thinking about picking up a Sony Wega 36' KV-36HS420 tomorrow. Thoughts on it? Im just concerned about picking it up cuz its a beast, weighs something like 220 pounds. Also I never really heard of a CRT having an HDMI output before.

>>2383346
>weighs something like 220 pounds.
>36"
First CRT huh?

P39!

>>2383348
Sure. So can you tell me about it?

>>2383351
Well it's gonna weigh 300+ lbs.
1080i isn't that great for retro games.

>>2383346
It's probably a HD CRT, it'll be good for 6th and 7th gen. Won't support 240p so 5th gen and below wont look too good due to upscaling.

>>2383356
>>2383357
Ah okay. I thought perhaps it could do both, older generation gaming and newer stuff like 6th and 7th gen. Im thinking now it may not be worth the effort to pick up, getting a truck etc. Thanks guys

> Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike!

> recognizable characters

Anyone here recognizes CP437 character 01?

>>2383350
you should take the same picture but touch a van de graff generator to get your arm hairs to stick straight up.

pro tip: find a super hairy person to model

>>2383330
Mitsubishi Megaview Pro 37 "XC-3730C"
~35'' viewable RGB Presentation monitor. I believe the dot pitch is somewhere around .35.

>>2383338
DC version will output in either 480i or 480p based on the cable used.
Was testing the Extron RGB Interface that just arrived and the Dreamcast's VGA cable was the closest and simplest thing to connect it to. PVM is being fed the 480p signal as RGsB, so shows a double image.
Usually doing this would give an interlaced image, but the Interface has a neat quirk of being able to turn 480i into 240p (I think) by taking the serration pulse out of the signal.

I believe the curvature at the top is due to one of the dip switches at the back, but I'm not sure.

>>2383348
Sony's documentation lists it as ~230lbs
You'd need something like the 40XBR to hit 300.

>>2383385
>>2383350

Noice m8, too bad it ain't easy to find a nice green phosphor monitor where I live. Is it one with persistent phosphor?

>>2383441
Yep, it's an IBM 5151 with the "5 minute persistance" phosphor (P39).

Fun fact, P39 emits a very deep green, way outside the sRGB gamut, so pictures don't really do it any justice.

>>2383457

Neat!
Are you using a Hercule monochrome card? I doubt you'd b able to do such a mandelbrot fractal with an MDA card.

>>2383402
Looks awesome! I think that's a bit more than .35mm though (that would be 72dpi)

>>2383481
Yup. Not an original Hercules, just some generic clone card.

>>2383357
Sounds exactly like my Panasonic Tau crt

>>2383504
You're completely and exactly right.
Misremembering from another monitor I was looking at recently.

Does anyone know what HPJ means? On the right

>>2383605
HeadPhone Jack

>>2375015
There was no pillow parameter and I beat it harder than a battered wife.

Still didn't help it.

I think I'll just trash it. I'm visiting my parents and they have loads of CRTs they don't use because they only watch TV in the livingroom, and one of them happens to be a Trinitron, but it's really fucking big. There's another in a box in the basement that still works that they were just going to trash that's smaller but also seems to have a pretty good picture under the brand of Sylvania. I'm not familiar with them, but it looks decent and is about the right size I want. I'm not familiar with the brand or if it's any good, though. The Trinitron seems too fucking big for me to deal with.

Is this worth buying? It's a SONY Trinitron PVM 8042Q Color Video Monitor

>>2383812
Here's another pic

>>2383812
They have a great picture of you can stand the size just check before you buy

>>2383815
>12v in

I would by just for playing in the middle of nowhere connected to car 12v

>>2383812
mm, from back when the days when sony wasn't shit
i'd buy it if i were in the market for a crt and it were cheap enough to accord with its obviously used condition
i'd also, before doing anything with it beyond a simple "does it burst into flame when i turn it on" smoke test, find its service manual and get detailed specs on its input requirements
tl;dr: you're going to want to use that component input and you're going to need three BNC-to-RCA barrels like pic related in order to connect what will undoubtedly be the RCA plugs on consumer equipment to the BNC inputs on that backplane
oh and don't bother with the onboard audio, it's going to be poor quality since this is a field monitor meant for TV production (hence the battery ports, which i encourage you to leave the fuck alone) and all that's really expected of something like this is "do we have audio at all"
ofc since this is a mobile production-grade monitor you could totally put it in your car
bonus points: mod it into the dash and have it run an rpi-based car computer (with gps and mapping) for that fallout 3 retro style
hope this helps, have a blast

>>2383835
>mm, from back when the days when sony wasn't shit
Sony still makes great things.

>>2383793
Sylvania is a cheap bargain brand, but if the picture looks good, go for it.

>>2383812
Assuming it's in decent condition and that you can get it for rather cheap, it'd make a nice little desk unit. Really wouldn't play on it from any farther than a few feet away though.
Main reason I specify cheap is that it has a pretty low TVL count of ~250, meaning while it should have a nice picture, it won't be stupidly sharp.

>>2383835
>don't bother with the onboard audio, it's going to be poor quality since...
You'd be surprised. The mono speakers on PVMs are pretty decent.

>>2383838
>Sony still makes great things.
name three

>>2383885
PSX
PS2
PS3

>>2383890
yeah, nah
the software platforms are great
the hardware is pretty crap tho
and the good stuff's mostly from third party devs

>>2383890
plastic rails
selfdestructing mechacon
YLOD

>>2383851
>Sylvania is a cheap bargain brand, but if the picture looks good, go for it.
I mean, yeah, the Trinitron looks better, but I don't think it looks too bad. I tried taking a picture, but my camera isn't very good.

Certainly better than the weird issues I was getting with the PC monitor or playing it flat on my HDTV, though.

Just from a quick picture, do you see anything immediately wrong?

It's from my SNES via composite.

>>2383908
Here's another one I tried to take closer, but my camera was blurring it too much because the focus isn't very good.

>>2383908
>>2383914
looks fine. Composite only right ? Just be on the lookout for a set with S-video (or a way to move that other sony), but for the time, you should be just fine.

>>2383812
Not worth paying for. The 8045Q is, if you can get it for under US$30 - it has the 450TVL screen and really will look ok, as opposed to the 250TVL screen on the 8042 and 8040.

>>2383989
No, I think it has S-VIDEO in the back. I just lack the connector from my SNES to do so. I have about four composite cables and two RF, but no S-VIDEO.

I'm sure they can't cost that much to find, though. I'll be on the look out for one later.

Thanks, anon.

>>2382420
>>2383245
Thanks guys, i never knew about CRU! It allows you to override EDID, right? Does that mean I can use a port without any EDID plugged in? Like to an SDTV...? I'd be using DVI-I/VGA and a sync combiner. of course.

If not, I'm halfway through building some dongles for Soft15Khz. Windows will detect the blank EDID chips as a Generic PNP Monitor, so I could just use CRU from there without needing to program any EDID? (For which I was going to buy powerstrip, because the other utilities scare me.)

Any advice would be appreciated :)

Love these dinky RGB monitors.

Hey, /vr/, is this input lag relevant regarding FPS and fighting games? I frankly think it's minimal and should in no way be an argument against LCDs when compared to CRTs. Besides, this is a very cheap LED TV-monitor (which is notorious for bad response time), if I properly recall it cost me less than 100 dollars. No human eye could ever hope to have such an acuity as to perceive it. Also, I frankly can't tell a difference when I'm playing Higan: it controls the same in both monitors, albeit the CRT has FAR, FAR better and brighter colors. It not even a comparison.

From my experience it's more of a consistently behind picture for input lag. IMHO only fighting games and shooters get any real benefit.

Try this ANON; LISTEN for the sound the character makes as they attack and compare it to the visual of them attacking.

I know one of my friends plays on a DLP projector, mostly because he wanted a "theatre" and for smash you can HEAR the characters attack about a third of a second (at least) before it displays. Drives me mad when your playing a game you already know the timings to. It's consistent sure, but consistently behind the image.

>>2384457
Your pic is way too blurry. Lag depends on you. Some people need as low as possible and other can't tell the difference between 1 frame of lag and 5.
>albeit the CRT has FAR, FAR better and brighter colors. It not even a comparison.
Get a better lcd.

>>2384110
Yes, it's just an EDID override, so you should be able to use CRU with any monitor. I would really recommend buying Powerstrip though if your graphics card supports it.

>>2384440
What's that? Looks a bit like this amstrad screen.

mildly anachronistic, perhaps

>>2384602
it's not a monitor i want to use though. It's a TV with no EDID at all. Without an EDID to override, can i pump a signal out that port like crt_emudriver will for ATI?

And what would you recommend powerstrip for? What else can I do with it? Can it be made to pump out 15kHz modes all by itself? (You don't need to buy it, btw, as the only thing you have to pay for is the ability to re/program EDID)

>>2384694
My friend has an ancient Philips monitor from the early 90's without EDID (but with 0.21mm and 120-or-so kHz horizontal), and CRU works fine for him.

I would recommend Powerstrip if it works with your graphics card, because it's generally easier to use compared to CRU or NVCPL. On-the-fly timing adjustment is a huge plus when messing with non-standard resolutions.

Getting interlaced analog video from a recent graphics card might be difficult though...

Hey /vr/, I was looking around for a CRT that I'm going to be playing Genesis and the N64, as well as possibly the SNES and Gamecube. I narrowed it down to 2 as of now, both for $50. One is the KV-36XBR200 and the other I believe is the KV-27T532. Anyone have experience with either? Pic related is the TV that I don't know the exact model of, if anyone can guess what it is.

>>2384932
>KV-27T532
KV-27TS32

Curved Trinitron so you won't have to worry about the geometry quirks of the FD Trinitrons. Has:
1 S-Video/Composite Input
2 Composite Inputs(1 front, 1 back)
1 Video Out
and a separate Stereo audio out

KV-36XBR200
FD Tubes can have geometry problems, but is newer and a higher end set, so it's liable to have a sharper picture.
Has(Pic related):
2 S-Video/Composite Inputs(1 front, 1 back)
1 Composite Input
1 Component "YPbPr" Input (NOT 480p+)
2 Video Outs
and a separate Stereo audio out

27'' would be more manageable, but the 36'' has more useful inputs and possibly a better picture.
Best you'll be able to use without modding/transcoder for each system is:
Genesis - Composite
SNES - S-Video
N64 - S-Video
Gamecube - S-Video

$50 seems a bit high for either of them, but the 36'' would be more worth that amount. I'd try to talk them down a bit no matter which one you end up going with though. Definitely bring something along to test them if you're paying a decent amount like that. Either a system with 240p Test Suite (Wii, various systems via flashcarts) or a game you know very well that you'd be able to notice oddities in the picture easily.

>>2384440
Goddamn I'd love to have an old monochrome monitor for GB emulation.

>>2385051
https://docs.sony.com/release/KV27TS29.PDF
https://docs.sony.com/release/KV32XBR200.pdf

>>2385059
>I'd love to have an old monochrome monitor
i have pic related, it's adorable
miracle 9" mono CRT, you might still be able to find one on ebay or something

Any tips on taking images of lag tests?

I don't have a manual camera, just a shitty point and shoot plus my android phone. I tried a couple of free apps to see if I could set the shutter speed to like 1/120 or so, but nothing worked. I'm assuming you guys all have DSLRs

>>2385132
I've only got a point'n'shoot, and the best thing I can manage out of it is setting ISO as low as possible and then doing the same on exposure metering.

>>2385051
>>2385060
Thank you very much for the detailed reply, I'll definitely see if I can get the price a bit lower once I see what condition the TVs are in. I was already leaning towards the KV-36XBR200, so knowing that it will have a better picture I'll probably go for that one.

ayy

A B&O MX7000 is sold just 30km from where I live. Is the MX7000 worth getting? B&O did a great job on the size of these, not really deep and bulky for 27" and ~40kg + stand.
Will mostly play Shmups, maybe some RPGs and action stuff as well on NES to PS2.

>>2385051
hey, TV scientist, i got a sony wega KV-27HS420 off craigslist for 25$ 2 years ago. what can you tell me about it?

>>2385307
Those short tubes have horrible geometry, but then B&O is a luxury brand, maybe they did better than other brands.... Doubt it.
If it's really cheap, I would get it just for the unusual factor.

>>2385343
I can tell you that you paid $5 less than I did a year ago, and that yours is possibly still working correctly unlike the one sitting in my office right now.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/sat2cq58v7cmb13/ Owner's Manual
http://www.mediafire.com/view/ajf2pmw3oglvk5x/ Service Manual

3 S-Video/Composite In (1 front, 2 back)
1 Composite In
2 Component In
1 HDMI in with a set of Stereo Audio Inputs

1 Composite Out that only works for Composite inputs
1 Stereo audio out

Supports 480p, 720p, and 1080i over Component and HDMI. 480p over HDMI is a bit jumpy on my set, but I can't say that all of them do that.
Hi-Scan model, so the tube has a horizontal resolution of 853px or so. Gamecube games over component look great, PS3 and Wii U look pretty good as well.

Obviously not the best option for retro, being that it scales 480i(and as such 240p) signals up to something it can work with, but it doesn't look too bad. Based on 240p Test Suite's lag test and compared to the PVM while feeding 480i composite to both, it has 2-3 frames of input lag.

Really wish I knew exactly what was wrong with mine and how to fix it. Think it's having a problem maintaining stable voltage; When it actually agrees to turning on, the picture size varies widely based on the brightness of the screen. Lamp code is 7 flashes, if anyone has some suggestions/ideas outside of the diagnoses listed in the manual above.

Megaman X Command Mission in 480p from the Gamecube.

>>2385381
cool man thanks. the only thing i play on it is my saturn which i modded for s video. i been thinking about getting a scart-hdmi converter for the saturn but im happy with the setup as is right now

>>2384514
I redid the test properly this time, since in the other picture there was some frame drop which distorted the result. Honestly, anon, there is no way a human eye could ever hope to notice such a minimal input lag, it's impossible and this picture clearly proves it. This LCD set is very cheap and thus it should be in the range of a bad response time (in the specs it is said to have a 5 ms response time, which seems about right as it can't be perceived). Given that it is a TV-monitor, I hooked up my master system and, again, it is perfect, my character jumps in the very instant I press the button and the sound perfecly coincides. I can't help but deem it a myth, a common misconception. Look at how the numbers are basically the same in the pic, especially the fading 06 and the upcoming 07 - they are mixed because the numbers move at a very fast speed, but the both monitors display them at the SAME TIME- Here's the page of the test:

http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/response_time.php#input_lag_fr

>>2385448
Response time is not input lag. They're two completely different things. High response time = more pixel ghosting.

>>2385394

I thought Saturn did s-video without modding?

>>2385458
Unfortunately, the manufacturer simply does not state its input lag, probably to illude the consumer and give away a better impression. This should be more than obvious, common sense by now. The only official spec I could go by is its response time.

>>2385461
i never got the official cable so i just soldered 3 wires together, no big deal

>>2385346
>I would get it just for the unusual factor.
Naw, for that I don't have the space and the nerves to carry and transport 40kg of danish fuck ups.
If no one else can say something about them, I will just continue to wait for a Sony PM with shipping option on Ebay.

Sony Trinitron KV- 36FS13. So there really isnt a way to fix this?? Its really annoying and just in the top left corner, and all I have ever found was just people saying "its common" and no solutions.

>>2385448
>I can't help but deem it a myth, a common misconception.

5 years ago lag was still pretty bad on LCDs. Nowadays I don't know how it is, maybe it's better like you say, but take into consideration there's not the same amount of lag when you feed it a digital RGB signal from your computer compared to when you send it a 240p analog video signal. Also, some people don't feel lag as much as others.

>>2385486

Not the other anon, but it's not like the saturn don't use a standard mini-din 10 port for AV output though.

>>2385506
well i dunno what its like the saturn uses but thankyou

>>2385448
Shorten your exposure and set the CRT as your primary display. Flash could also help you get an better freeze frame rather than ghosting. This is my camera's sport setting, hand blocking the majority of the flash not obscure the screen. First set is with the LCD set as primary and the second set is CRT primary.

What specific models are yours and how are they being fed? Mine are an Asus VH238 being fed over DVI and a Dell e770s over VGA being fed the admittedly somewhat odd XGA+ resolution of 1152x864. Test matches up pretty closely with displaylag's measurement of 11ms

Might try taking my Vizio and seeing how it compares, but disconnecting and and moving it would be a bit of a hassle.

>>2385496
Aside from suggesting a run through of the service menu, I don't know what to suggest. I just went up to see if the little brother of it I have in the attic (32FS13) has the same issue, but despite the convergence being quite off, there just seems to be a bit of pincushion and the center is a bit higher than the sides.
The heavy bowing on what looks to be just the blue really makes me wonder if there wouldn't be a way to adjust it, be it directly or with a magnet somewhere on the tube that could possible help.

>>2385458
>>2385476

That isn't response time. That's how fast the TV/monitor can display a new frame. It is the best possible way to measure input lag.

There's no industry standard for measuring input lag. And only gamers really care about that.

>>2385448
You need to mess with your camera. Or your camera just isn't great for that.

>>2385624
I accessed the service menu, Im checking a guide online about the different codes and abbreviations. Kinda confusing but looks doable. Do you know which code specifically touches up the corner pin? I assume thats the one

>>2385654
The guide on neogeo is the only one I can think of off the top of my head, and has a better idea on what they do. I've been into the service menu on mine, but I can't remember jack of what each of them do.
http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?248996-Sony-WEGA-Trinitron-CRT-TV-service-menu-Tips-Tricks-and-settings-suggestions

https://docs.sony.com/release/KV36FS13.PDF
Apparently yours has a different service manual to all the others in the line, so I don't have it hosted personally.
http://elektrotanya.com/sony_kv-32fv27_36fs17_36fs13_chassis_aa-2u.pdf/download.html

Again, there's no definite on anything in the service menu helping it.

>>2385654
For corner pin, there's something like ucornerp and lcornerp, they stand for upper and lower corners

Anyone know if the KV-32XBR51 is any good? Could be getting it for free.

>>2385807
High end normal(not flat) "Microblack" Trinitron from around 1990 or so.
3 S-Video/Composite Inputs
1 S-Video/Composite Output
1 stereo audio out

Uses external speakers and subwoofer.
https://docs.sony.com/release/KV27XBR51.PDF

Would certainly make for an S-Video beast if it's in decent condition.

>>2385606
I'm using a dual monitor setup. The LCD screen is this model:
http://www.lge.com/br/monitores/lg-M2380A-monitores-led
It's being fed through the DVI input but with a VGA adapter, this is the CRT model which is hooked up by VGA:
http://www.cnet.com/products/samsung-syncmaster-765-mb/specs/
I'm mirroring them with an equal resolution of 1024x768. I deemed the ghosting normal because even in the example picture from the site it happens. I thought it was due to the fast speed of the transitioning numbers. Besides, I don't see the problem with my picture. It quite clearly shows that the numbers coincide. If it were something more specific, I wouldn't really trust my Nexus 4 camera. But, then, again, I might as well consider the pictures invalid because I can't really set its camera to a short shutter time as suggested in the tutorial. I still assure you there's virtually no input lag that could ever be perceived by a human eye.

>>2385943
>could ever be perceived by a human eye.
You can't see lag with your eyes unless it's like 3+ frames TV next to a CRT with the same signal.

I don't speak w/e language that is but you got a monitor. There's not really any image processing that goes on. Most montors like that usually don't have much lag.

And your camera sucks.

>>2385948
Not him, but that's got to be key, doesn't it. Image processing time. Which isn't so big an issue when all you're feeding is a straight PC signal with filters.

>>2385954
Well on a LCD with a console you're not going to have that great of a picture.

Compared to a TV with like sub 1 frame of lag.

>>2385948
>w/e language
You were supposed to tell what it is by the numbers, by predicting them. It's nothing unsurmountable, it's pretty obvious actually. Who won't be able to tell 5ms correlates to response time? Also, tempo de resposta-response time, contraste-contrast are very similar. It's called Portuguese and I'll give you a very important life advice: not all Latin America speaks Spanish. Also, people who know Spanish are capable of reading Portuguese, so either of them is quite a convenient language to learn.

>>2385958
You're on an American website. An as an American I can tell you just how little a give a fuck about your special language. Not at all.

Where are you getting this 5ms number? The response time? Why do you keep mentioning it?

>>2385943
I realize you're mirroring them, but is the CRT the primary?

The ghosting is normal to an extent; You're getting somewhere 3+ blended together, based on your image, so that's maybe 50ms+. If the exif is to be trusted, mine is somehow getting something around 2ms. No idea how though.

>>2385958
>It's called Portuguese and...
No need to get so worked up.

>2008
I really wish my camera would stop resetting its date.

>>2385975
>is the CRT the primary
Yes, it is.

>you're getting somewhere 3+ blended together, based on your image, so that's maybe 50ms+
I'll acknowledge what you say then. However, when I used to play Tribes Ascend, my latency used to spike when the server was full. It went from 12ms to about 30 to 60ms and I IMMEDIATELY NOTICED IT. Since it was a game that took an awful lot of precision, I'd almost throw my keyboard against the wall in a hissy fit when this happened. I could perceive it. It's not input lag but I suppose it's very similar. Thus, I think such a number would be quite glaring for me.

>>2385998
>I suppose it's very similar
Latency is latency. It's annoying no matter the source.

And just to be clear, I'm not saying you're getting that much input lag, only that your camera is capturing for somewhere around that length of time. It could be pretty decent processing time for PC input/monitor use.

>>2386017
>only that your camera is capturing for somewhere around that length of time
Indeed, it was my misunderstanding. I also realized it not too long after I posted it.

>Latency is latency. It's annoying no matter the source.
I vehemently abhor latency and it's the reason as to why I gave up on online multiplayer games. I got tired of warping around and receiving messages cursing at my internet connection because I was -supposedly- lagging. Some say I have dial up or something like that and complain about how slow it is. The point is, they really don't know latency has nothing to do with the bandwidth -even an extremely slow upload speed more than suffices for all if not the vast majority of games-. What I also never tell them is that I have a 50 mb download and 5 mb upload connection. It surely is my internet instead of the miles or the continent that separate us.

>>2386150
Or you could not que on American servers. I know you idiots have a real hard time understanding that concept tough.

>>2375190
Thanks anon, ordered one and will probably order a second after some tests.

>>2371721
how the shit do you guys take pics of your CRT without getting a blurry image? i have a beautiful flat screen toshiba CRT that i wanna show off

>>2386441

Use a stand to stay still (a real stand or jut a stable surface can be enough), try to make sure the exposition time match the duration of a frame, choose your ISO wisely (some say that they use an ISO 60), take the picture in a dark room, and don't use flash. I think it's only what it takes.

Picked up a BVM2010P from Auschoice tonight. They had 2 left, paid 200 for it.Geometry is perfect, like i've never seen it so perfect in all my time with PVMs. A bit banged up on the outside but the tuning tray and screen are great.

Problem though. There seems to be a shadowing to the right of everything, i'll post up an example. it's most obvious in text where you can see it sitting next to the words. Any ideas?

>>2386496
Aren't those just drop shadows?

>>2386496
heres the shadowing up close note the right side of the figure

>>2386501
i know what you mean but no. There's shadowing on my everdrive's menu text for example which shouldn't have any shadowing. It is more prominent on my MD than on my SNES for some reason (though still present).

rate meine cathodes

theres also a 17 inch pc trinitron in my pc room lmao

i love these

I've got a trinitron but only a composite cable, if I buy a SCART cable will the picture quality improve?

>>2386496
What condition is the tube in? Nice and bright?

>>2386564
if your tv only has input for composite video it can only take composite video.

yeah, you can get a scart cable that carries composite and get an composite extractor for said scart cable but it won't improve anything.

composite is still composite.
unless your current cable is complete garbage with no shielding and full of peanut butter... then a new composite cable will improve picture quality slightly

>>2386572
All I know is my TV has scart ports in the back, how do I find out if it actually uses them correctly?

>>2386568
Yeah a good range. Super Nintendo is fantastic and the problem mentioned is hardly noticable. There were terminators that came with it but it looks better with them off so idk.

>>2386574
one is most definitely RGB scart, it probably says over the label

>>2386574
Nevermind I looked up the manual it has RGB input.

>>2380283
>Retroarch has the ability to switch to the correct resolution
I tried with PC engine emu, but dont change the resolution.

>>2386496
>>2386505
shielding issue ? Are you using pure sync or composite for the sync line ?

>>2385174
ayy

>>2386861
>>2385174

Remind me of that movie were there's that a supermarket supervisor who spend his working hours looking at women in changing rooms thanks to some cleverly placed cameras and a 14" Sony PVM.

look at my new scanline generator

>>2386496
>>2386505
ringing.
the signal is bouncing back and forth slightly between the cable ends, can be caused by a poor quality/dirty cable/connectors/termination (that 75ohm stuff you see mentioned sometimes).

some point(s) in the wired connection has mismatched impedance and the signals reflect when they move from one impedance to another.
its fairly common when you try to run analog vga at very high resolutions and refresh rates (one of the things dvi/hdmi solves for you)

think of it as light bouncing off a glass surface - the reflectivity is different depending if the glass is in air or in water

>>2385667

>>2385671

Wow this helped quite a bit in fixing the issue, however its sort of annoying theres no upper and lower horizontal bowing option. That would fix the issue completely. They thought to add a lot but not everything unfortunately..

Anyone have first hand experience with retrogamingcables, well, cables?
I'm thinking about finally picking up a Genesis SCART cable, and it'd be nice to save a few off of r_c_a's if possible.
Still not entirely sure whether I'm gonna search for a better model 1 or megaamp something though.

They also appear to carry Sony SCART cables now, which might be interesting to some people.

Can anyone recommend a good HDMI to component scaler/converter?

After assessing my situation with hardware, i've found it's by far the most optimal solution regarding inputs, functionality and space.

I've been hesitating to buy one for weeks now, all because I don't want to invest in a poor quality product. If anyone's used a HDMI to component scaler/converter, please let me know of a good one (100 bucks is probably my limit)

>HDMI input from PC
>Component out to TV (hopefully including sound, but not actually 100% necessary)

I'd like it to downscale, but I can deal with a native res.

>>2387520
I have one cable from them. Seems pretty decent. Has shielding etc.
Can't comment on their other cables. Most of my cables are from retro console accessories.

>>2387521
do new videocards not have vga or dvi anymore?

It might be cheaper or easier to get an old videocard compatible with soft15khz or crtemudriver. Or even an arcadeVGA

>>2387521
If you have some type of analog output from your PC, be it VGA or DVI-I/A(still technically VGA) and you end goal is SD component video, you might want to look into a VSC. The one I bought was DOA, but the documentation seems to suggest that it'll act as a downscaler(scan converter) and transcoder as well. Paired with an Interface and you can even turn the 480i output into 240p.

This will be more help to than I could ever be though: http://scanlines.hazard-city.de/

>>2387542
If he needs component, that would still require a transcoder somewhere in the mix.

>>2387526
The only SCART cables I currently have are an SNES one from a person on neo-geo, quite possibly from playasia, and an "Innovation" one for Dreamcast.

The one thing I really don't want to run into is audio buzzing on the Genesis; Especially if I end up investing in modding it for better audio.

If you don't mind me asking, what system is your cable for?

>>2387543
It's a scart to jp21 cable.

No buzzing unless you have the volume to max. And that's with my TVs speakers. They don't sound very good max anyway so may not even be the wires.

>>2387520
>Better model 1
what's wrong with the one you have ?

>>2385807
>>2385925
Anyone know how this TV would compare to a KV-27FS13 for $25. The fact the other TV is free makes it a lot more better looking, but this TV is in the same area as the other being sold and is from 2001 rather than 1991. Both come with stands.

>>2387626
You have to deal with the possible quirks of a flat screen, but if the 27fs13 is anything like the 32, it'd be a pretty nice looking set. Nice sharp picture with a good comb filter if your planning on using anything over RF or composite.
1 S-Video/Composite input
2 Composite Input
1 Component "YPbPr" Input
1 stereo output

You lose the two s-video inputs, but gain component, which would be wonderful if you've got a PS2 around for PS1 games or a Wii for emulation.

With all the crazy PIP shit going on with the XBR, it probably has a decent chunk of circuitry shoved inside, but I don't know if that would equal having a service menu of any sort. The FS13 on the other hand definitely has one, which would make picture adjustments considerably easier.

>>2387552
I can use the SNES cable I have at reasonable levels without much noise, but anything decently loud (or on brighter screens) and it shows its head quite readily. I actually haven't tested out the Dreamcast cable for it, but I don't remember any buzzing.

>>2387625
Back when they were readily available at places I frequent, I wasn't nearly as much of a video or audiophile. So when I decided I wanted to pick up a Model 1 to go with my Model 2 and 3, I didn't think to avoid the dreaded VA7.
Muddiest, worst sounding FM Synth you could possibly imagine.

It doesn't even need to be an HDG Model 1, anything VA6.8 and under or a 3/4 Model 2 would be fine. MegaAmp is an extra $30 or so, but will give amazing audio quality.

>>2386523
yes, very impressive

>>2387685
>I can use the SNES cable I have at reasonable levels without much noise
I hear nothing till it's close to max. So good enough for me.
I should try with headphones to see if it's the cable or the speakers. The speakers have a bit of a buzz by themselves at high volume.

>>2387685
does it have the deported power jack? If yes, you do have one of the dreaded VA7

>>2386575
With the terminators what happens? That issue should clear up, it seems, but the picture will get duller. With the terminators on, can you get the screen bright enough to suit?

Thinking about buying one...

>>2386927
Not him, but thanks for the info anon. I knew what ringing was, and what caused it, but had never seen an example of.

>>2387685
>>2387694
also, model 2 VA2/3/4 have their own set of problems (PSG balance). Model 2 VA0/1/1.8 are better overall after they're fitted with megaamp because their PSG balance is good.

>>2387694
I've opened it up in the past to clean it. I know without a shadow of a doubt that it's a VA7.

>>2387701
I wouldn't be getting a MegaAmp if I went with a 3/4; It'd be a cheaper decent audio alternative.

For the MegaAmp, I already have the VA7 and two shitty Model 2s I could use. I can't say I've looked into it heavily, but the VA7 and full board Model 2's have most of the same components, yes?
I like the look of the Model 1 better, but would the Model 2 <1.8 sound better after being modded? I know it's meant to be a catch all solution for high quality audio, but it's still worth asking.


A Genesis SCART cable really wasn't that high of a priority for me until I rigged together a way to feed my PVM directly off the AV connector on the back of it. None of the components that you'd actually have in a SCART cable, but it still looked wonderful.