/vr/ - Retro Games

>>2382647
Fan made right? So why exactly do yo think it's okay to punch down fans of something who put their own time into making something for their own amusement? It doesnt hurt you. You think you could do it any better? Only thing this rant of yours indicates is that you're an insecure jerk who needs to treat other things to shit to pretend you arent shit.

>>2382647
I agree. The slowdown is an absolute joke, isn't it even worse in the japanese release? The new dialogue doesn't sit well with me as well, mainly for nostalgia reasons, though. Limiting ceraint item drops to multiplayer was another decision that pissed me off. The cutscenes are nice to look at but the dub sucks, as with all dubbed JRPG audio.

I own the game and last year i had the urge to play through it once again but i wound up just grabbing the eboot of the PS1 original after the first two battles.

>>2382650
What the hell are you talking about, War of the Lions is a shitty re-release of PS1/GBA FFTactics for the PSP and Mobile.

>>2382667

>They took the fan patch and used it in their mobile port

>>2382647
Wow. I'm sad that people fell for this bait.

War of the Lions isn't a fanmade patch or fanmade port. It IS a poorly done official re-release, with stretched picture and slowdown.

The fan patches you can use on it are in ppf format, but that doesn't mean it's a Playstation game being emulated. Just because games on the NES and SNES can be patched with ips patches doesn't mean they're both actually just NES games.

Plus, they'd have to do some real weird shit to add all the extra content and PSP resolution CG cutscenes if it was JUST being emulated.

So yeah, it was poorly done. It can be fixed with fan patches to be equivalent to the PS1 version, but with new cutscenes, a new translation, and some new side missions. There's also fan patches to restore the old PS1 translation if you want. Personally, I feel the extra content makes it the better version (once you patch out the problems), but that's just a personal opinion.

Which translation do you guys prefer? Original, or WoTL? I honestly prefer WoTL.

>>2382647
Well at least the slowdown is fixed albeit by fans. I still liked both versions. Back then, having FFT on the go was something amazing.

>>2382762
WotL, but they should cut down on the flowery text a bit. At least include multiple accents like in FFXII. Not every character spoke Shakespearean.

>>2382762
I prefer WotL too, dialogue-wise especially, but some of the names etc I prefer in the original.

Is this a troll thread? I'm honestly not sure.

>romhacks for the game are in ppf format
>lol that basically confirms the game is just running emulation of the Playstation game right?

.ppf format is usually used for patching .iso files, not just PS1 games.

>>2382670
If they did that with the slowdown it's news to me.

The slowdown was even worse on iOS when it first popped out. It's probably the sole reason why there isn't an Android port.

The thing that's almost never brought up when comparing the two versions is how they comepltely screwed up the music (and to a lesser extent the sound effects) in WotL by removing all reverb among other things. No fan-patch to fix that! Also that if you use the patch to "correct" the aspect ratio it will still be all wrong since while the stretched the sprites they did increase they did properly extend the view of the backgrounds meaning that you will get squashed picture instead of a stretched one. There's just no way to win there!

>>2382747
>There's also fan patches to restore the old PS1 translation if you want.

{{citation needed}}

>>2382762

Both are kinda bad.

WoTL is more accurate. But everyone talks like a fag. They also use weird name translations for no reason to create these awkaard names.

Original has nice dialogue. But less accurate. Some parts, like tutorial and others were so quickly rushed they are incoherent.

I would like a new text that uses WoTL as a basis, which strips it of the pseudo-Shakespearean and they just talk like normal people.

>>2382950

Where are you guys getting these fan patches? Where are they listed? romhacking.net only lists 3.

>>2382971

Here:
http://ffhacktics.com/smf/index.php?topic=8490.0

Even works if you're running from an UMD or legit PSN version.

>>2382976

Is there a list of all the patches? Those forums are a tiny bit hard to navigate.

WoTL had slowdown cause the multiplayer. it was added intentionally. the fix for it was just a hex edit to turn a 1 into a 0 so there was no more slowdown.
>>2382929
there is an android version, its just Japanese only and even got some graphical updates

>>2382647
>pseudo-shakespeare dialogue.
this is the same reason I haven't finished the TO remake.
I know its supposed to help with immersion but for me it just knocks me out of it. Everyone just sounds douchy and fake.

>>2383024
>help with immersion

NO ONE EVER SPOKE LIKE THAT.

NEVER. NOT ONCE. IN SHAKESPEARE'S DAY NO ONE DID. IT'S A POETIC MEANS OF SPEAKING IN PLAYS!

AND IN THE JAPANESE VERSION EVERYONE SPEAKS NORMALLY IT'S JUST SOME SHIT THE TRANSLATORS MADE UP!

>>2383013

It really weirds me out how non-offensive the redone visuals look. Not even an improvement in many ways but considering how completely awful these things usually look (like the other Final Fantasy ports) I'm impressed they managed to do a decent sidestep.

>>2382656
>Limiting ceraint item drops to multiplayer
explain please

>>2383036
Is not FFT just a play we're all viewing from the outside?

>>2383013
>WoTL had slowdown cause the multiplayer. it was added intentionally.

What was it's "intention"?

how's tactics ogre?
Should I play the original snes or the psp port?

>>2382958

>>2383095
Sync issues, most likely. I'm no professional programmer, but it seems like simply leaving each players' screen asynchronous and syncing up at the start of each character's turn would've worked just fine. I'd rather slowdown just before moving someone than slowdown mid animation.

>>2383121
I see, so it would make more sense having that slowdown applied only on multiplayer games.

>>2383024
So you didn't like Vagrant Story and Final Fantasy XII either?

>>2383074

Not as bad as it sounds. They added a couple of extra equipments but some of them can only be gotten by doing co-op missions. None of the old stuff got taken out and I think the iOS version actually integrated the new co-op only stuff into the game since that one removed multiplayer.

The sound has a lack of reverb and some some sound effects sound totally wrong. There's no patch to fix this

>>2383157
>So you didn't like Vagrant Story

That's no where near as bad.

This is a random example from google imate search.

>>2384398

And here's another random example. Much more awkward and less natural. Totally hate it.

>>2383098

PSP. The port is enhanced and is definitive. IT's like a new game.

>>2384404
>big words hurt head :(

>>2384429
It's a stylistic complaint. That has no bearing on the intellect of the reader.

>>2384429

There are no big words in that screenshot.

>>2384562
Its needlessly complicated.

Saying "Fuck off or I kill the girl"

vs. talking about spilling crimson goop from a fair maiden.

I can take either. I personally like the original just because its hilariously bad at parts, mostly from Algus.

Animals have no god.
Well, do your best, you spoiled rotten boy.
etc.

Its amazing.

But, you know, I can see why you wouldn't like it. It takes longer to process what the person is saying, I have a more technical mind, so a simpler more concise dialogue is generally favorable in my eyes, but sometimes I can enjoy the flavor.

Cant play this game. the lead hero looks like he has a babies head.
fucking retarded.

>>2384404
Thats worse than the original translation.
Holy shit.

>>2384404

saying it out loud, it's awkward as fuck. there's no bardic meter whatsoever, no pacing for breath in between phrases.

>>2384429
You idiot.

+1 for faux-Shakespearean bullshit being terrible.
It's not that I think the characters should speak "normally" or whatever, it's that it's almost universally done TERRIBLY.
Take Cyan from Final Fantasy VI (played by John Cleese), for example. He's an absolute mess of misused words. Frog from Chrono Trigger is even worse, but it's arguable that his curse makes him speak in a somewhat nonsensical manner. Nonetheless, his head should be cut off for using "thou" to the goddamn QUEEN.

>>2384595
>no bardic meter

So lemme guess, you only know iambic pentameter because that dialogue happens to be in tetrameter and isn't awkward at all.

Personally I rather they spoke in easily understandable English. Having a character or two that spoke in accents or in a weird way is alright but there is a breaking point. This is why I can never play Dragon Quest IV on DS. I get to the 3rd chapter and just had it with it and quit. While the NES version is perfectly readable and also enjoyable.

>>2384604

oooh spot on mate, i'm still working on it. and i thought i was getting a bit decent.

>>2383165
I'm pretty sure the Genji Gear is multiplayer only now, though none of it was top tier anyway. Just remember a friend being mad as hell he couldn't steal it from Elmdor anymore.

>>2385250
>none of it was top tier anyway
STOP RUINING THE BOARD

>>2384604
the second line is in iambic tetrameter, sure
the first line is trochee, iamb, trochee, trochee
the resulting couplet is kind of a clusterfuck
i've been trying for a few minutes now and i can't come up with any way to make it scan comfortably short of rewriting it so the meters match

>>2385250

That was actually done to make it more in line with the original Japanese version where it was unstealable. Other changes made to closer reflect the orignal Japanese version was increasing CT of summons and certain spells, higher prerequisites for Jobs, decreased JP gain, nerfed stats for Ramza, Delita, Orran, and Cloud and harder bosses. So basically the PSOne English version is Easy Mode.

The only thing they made easier in WotL (for both the Eng and Jap version) was the infamous Wiefgraf fight.

>>2385570
sounds interesting, seems I'll have to check out the PSP version sooner than I thought,

>>2385603

This frankly incredible guide has a "Version differences" section that covers everything:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/psp/937312-final-fantasy-tactics-the-war-of-the-lions/faqs/50422

Translation is not NEARLY as bad as you guys make it seem. Stylistically they were going for different kinds of bardic meter, but there is admittedly some rough spots

It's terrible, friend.

Tactics Ogre, Vagrant Story and Final Fantasy 12 had a fantastic translation in the style that FFT tries for (and fails miserably at)

That's what happens when you cheap out on a good translater. I think the guy who did TO did FF12 as well.

>>2386785
>I think the guy who did TO did FF12 as well.

Yeah, Alexander O. Smith. He also worked on Vagrant Story.
They got Tom Slattery for the War of the Lions localization.