/vr/ - Retro Games

===NEWS===

[04-27] Marathon Skins v0.8
http://zandronum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=5897

[04-26] HDoom techdemo 7 released
http://hdoomguy.tumblr.com/post/117443743997

[04-26] Some more Doom / Mario crossovers you may not have seen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTXXOG6u3M8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPQ9kRevYUU

[04-24] The /newstuff Chronicles #475
http://www.doomworld.com/php/topstory.php?id=4402

[04-23] The effects of having Doom's RNG return a constant value
http://jmtd.net/log/deterministic_doom/

[04-22] Romero's spring-cleaning: DoomEd source, unused maps, graphics
http://www.doomworld.com/vb/doom-general/72509-more-goodies-from-romero-doomed-source-maps-graphics/
http://www.doomworld.com/vb/doomworld-news/72504-doomed-source-code-released/

[04-22] Contra Doom (a new one modelling Contra III, not the one from the pastebin)
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=48392

[04-21] Push v0.7 is out. 70 maps -- /vr/ debates if the term "gigawad" is deserved.
http://zandronum.com/forum/showthread.php?pid=80536#pid80536

[04-21] TheZombieKiller's resource collection, now all in one thread
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=48386

[04-19] At Doom's Gate (E1M1) remade entirely from Mario 64 samples
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vxqtt8q8d4

[04-18] Aeons of Death v6.06 update
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=828246#p828246

[04-16] Metal Slug Doom beta release
https://www.dropbox.com/s/kq69epn51v85ab3/metalslug-i.zip?dl=0
http://zandronum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=5888

[04-15] Valiant final release (/idgames link pending)
http://www.mediafire.com/download/77yq6ppm3rjt50o
http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1362197

[04-13] Smooth Doom update
http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1361142

[04-12] Scans of Final Doom / Doom64 content from issues of GamePro dated 1996-7
http://ralphis.unidoom.org/gamepro/
http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1359552

===

Please reply to this post with news.

First for achvilles

>>2371858

Fuck archviles.

>>2371858

Wait what the fuck is an achville

>>2371514
>http://pastebin.com/YLUeQG8Q
>Headcannon typed out as far as I can think to include stuff, in case anyone would like to read it.

all right so which monsters are Devils and which are Demons?

>>2371732
>>2371734
pls respond

http://strawpoll.me/4228109

>>2371910
It's fucking Sophie's Choice.

>>2371915
Well both did have huge ego crisis' when working on the first Quake

>>2371923
Romero's ego crisis started way before Quake, though.

>>2371925
way before id too

>>2371865
It's an archvile you can only hurt by shooting it in the ankles.

>>2371928
Arguably, but the worst of it began with the success of Doom, culminating with the absolute failure of Dai-Katana.

I'm certain it was a very humbling experience if anything.

>>2371836
What are some maps that make heavy use of Arch-viles, but aren't "Hunted" clones?

>>2371961
forgot to mention, but I'm also not interested in maps where the Arch-viles act as "security" or whatever. I already know of Valiant map07, and D2Reloadeed map18.

>>2371863

"fuck you too"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdaZTv9NCDw

My favourite BTSX midi is in the episode that isn't even out yet.

>>2371984
I also like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAq8v5Lkmt4

E3 isn't too far off...right? ;_;

>>2372013

>>2372015

>>2372000
E1: december 2012
E2: september 2014
E3: ...june 2016?

Heil friends

I've decided to play through Quake 1
I installed the game (GLQuake) and the Darkplaces engine and it's running perfectly

However I would also like to play the mission packs but I can't find them anywhere in working condition for a 64-bit OS

>>2372035
You just drop the mission pack directories (rogue/hipnotic) beside your ID1 directory and run your engine with either -rogue or -hipnotic

>>2372037
Oh my, that worked wonders!
Thank you!

>>2372035

I have a shitter netbook from like 2008 that I keep around expressly for the purpose of running old 32-bit, winXP/earlier games. It's really the easiest way of doing things compared to fucking around with ports and such, most of the time.

>>2372043
>Having to swap to another machine every time you want to play a game is more convenient than spending a minute or two of additional setup to play it on your normal machine

>>2372046

Yes, actually.

>>2372047
You are a strange, strange man.

Hay guiz, how do I get it so that I can use the skull keys as well as keycards in my map? I am a shitty designer and three keys is not enough to prop up my poorly thought out pathing. I have resorted to switch-hunts for two doors already.

>>2372046

Depends on the game dude. There are some games out there that simply don't work well at all on modern operating systems no matter what you do with them.

Also they tend to look better on that tiny, crisp-ass 1024x600 screen instead of on my main monitor.

>>2372070

Is that Complex Shit?

>>2372073

Just put skull keys on your maps. Depending on the format you're using, you can specify whether doors will accept skull keys or key cards.
Iirc it's Hexen and/or UDMF format that can do that.

>>2372070
>new monsters
>recolors and monsters ripped from DRLA
Yeah, it's a zandronum mod alright.

>>2372078
also boom generalized locked doors. in fact vanilla is the only format that can't distinguish cards and skulls

>>2372072
what's that little red sphere do? the text was too small and blurred by resizing to read

>>2372092
looks like complete doom
in which the little red orb is a health pickup

>>2372080

Yeah, Complex Shit stole a slew of monsters from DRLA.
As if you wanted any more evidence that Daedalus is completely out of ideas and is piggybacking on everyone else.

>>2372110
>>2372078
>getting mad over doom mods being implemented into other doom mods
get over yourself
I make photoshops, I like seeing my photoshops being passed around and modified.
I don't make money on it and same with the doom modders.
They most likely don't give a shit and you're making a stinky over nothing.

>>2372117
>mad

Boy, you're sure defensive about Complex Doom.
Sorry, it's still a shitty mod.

>Most WADs are designed for the standard software renderer and look best in it, anyway.

What is he talking about?

>>2372137
>ctrl+f
>0 results

I think you're forgetting a link, friend.

>>2372132
I don't really care if you think it's shitty, but its obvious that you're upset over content from a different mod being implemented.
Do you even know what the opinion of the DRLA guy is?
You probably don't
Same as I don't care for the name of the guy that made whichever map I'm currently playing on.

>>2372110
artists who say "don't reuse my work without permission" are mocked. "original content do not steal" is even a meme.

but then, modders who ignore artists' wishes and reuse their work anyway are also derided.

which is it? you can't have both.

>>2372163
>Do you even know what the opinion of the DRLA guy is? You probably don't
Yes, I do. He doesn't like it.

>its obvious that you're upset over content from a different mod being implemented
Kek. You say it's obvious but can't even guess the way out of a wet paper bag. Tell me what I'm thinking next, please?

I'm amused at how completely out of ideas Daedalus is and how he has to grab content from everyone else in order to stay hip and cool.

>>2372180
Doesn't matter what you're thinking now, you already shared your piece of mind.

And no you don't know what DRLA guy thinks

>>2372180
>And no you don't know what DRLA guy thinks
Yes, I do. He doesn't like it.
Come on, it's not like he's difficult to reach. You're acting like he's some enigmatic entity that can't be talked to. He's even talked to Daedalus before about removing DRLA monsters from Complex Doom.

>>2372183 linked to wrong post O DERR
>And no you don't know what DRLA guy thinks
Yes, I do. He doesn't like it.
Come on, it's not like he's difficult to reach. You're acting like he's some enigmatic entity that can't be talked to. He's even talked to Daedalus before about removing DRLA monsters from Complex Doom.

>>2372179
>artists who say "don't reuse my work without permission" are mocked.
Maybe around here, but in the Doom community, it's generally well-respected. Esselfortium has made it clear that he doesn't want anyone using BTSX's assets until Episode 3 is out, at which time an official texture resource pack will be released. Nobody's tried to go against that. Nobody uses Cory Whittle's work, and I don't think he's been around for over a decade. People only get mocked when they try to pull that shit with resources that aren't actually original. See Super Skulltag. The author tried to lock down his mod while claiming that it contained "95% original content". Not only did his "lock" not work, once people got it open they found that, surprise, 95% of the content was not only not original, it wasn't even stuff that he had permission to use. Unfortunately, I don't think the video detailing it exists anymore.

>>2372191
Take a moment and realize you're not commenting on the complex mod, you're just mad that someone took content and mashed it all together.
Someone did something good with trash mods.
You have no real opinion here, your opinion is based on the guy himself, not the mod.
But hey, thanks for making it completely obvious for anyone else who wants to comment on the mods quality in terms of how enjoyable it is.

Anyone who dislikes it is probably mad about how it was created, and it's probably never on the quality of the mod itself

>>2372179
>artists who say "don't reuse my work without permission" are mocked
not really, it's only when they get super-faggoty about it then they start getting mocked.

case in point: shivers generally likes people using his work but wants you to let him know if only so he can check it out. that's cool. no mockery there.
pillowblaster did a massive tl;dr for guncaster saying don't touch my code, my sounds, my anything, or i will hunt you down and gut you. that's laughable. i mean sure it's still polite to respect his wishes, but if he seriously thinks that it's intimidating, it really isn't.

>>2372196

Please, continue to tell me more about what I really think.
You're still completely wrong on all accounts, but it's really funny to hear that I'm mad about its creator and how it's created.

Oh, oh, call me jealous next.

>>2372193
with btsx i believe the textures were made from scratch, so it seems fair for the author to assert some kind of control over them.

on the other hand, from what i could see of the monsters in >>2372070 , they are all just modified id graphics already. so its like saying "don't steal this stuff i stole already", which is a bit dubious to say the least.

first time here

why you all playing Doom and not some Quake

>>2372209
>with btsx i believe the textures were made from scratch

The textures were still made by utilizing a program that anyone with any artistic capabilities can recreate easily with a bit of time and effort, so it really just seems weird to needlessly bar off anyone from taking it just because you spent a few more minutes creating them than anyone else.
Especially since you're releasing it for everyone to download and distribute freely, you don't and shouldn't have a say in how people use those things.

This post is intentionally facetious, I'm just really sick of the whole permissions and legality in Doom mods debate and wanted to post something silly.

>>2372221
Vanilla Doom is a better game
And Doom has better mods

>>2372221
Quake 1 a shit

>>2372196
>Complex Doom
>Good
Pick One

>>2372236
Things Doom does better than Quake:
Overall visual design
Overall bestiary
Overall weapon design

Things Quake does better than Doom:
DAT Movement
DAT Momentum Maintaining Teleportation
DAT Level design that's consistently great from E1 to E4
DAT Quad Damage
DAT Super Nailgun

>>2372221
i don't know, i just never got into it. i got doom and quake at about the same time, but my computer back then could not run the latter very well, so i just never paid much attention to it. then doom's source came out which made it far more interesting for me (i am more of a programmer than a gamer) and i pretty much forgot about quake. now at this point i've spent 17+ years immersed in doom's universe, i don't really care about much else.

>>2372245
You forgot one thing Doom did a million times better:

fun

>>2371581
There is an ugly workaround that exists and was created (but ultimately never used) for Push. Basically each player has their own damagetype and each actor has a custom pain state for each actor damagetype (64 in total) multiplied by the different amounts of kickback you want. Then when each player fires a projectile the angle and pitch of the player when they fired is stored in an array and then recalled in the painstate at which point that information can be used to thrust the actor.

If you have a chain of inheritance set up it's pretty easy to do. Either way you end up putting all the painstates in another file and then having inheritance use the painstates that way you don't have to scroll past 64*n painstates every time you edit stuff.

It's an unwieldy system, but it's pretty much either that or nothing. A lot of Zandronum workarounds are that way.

>>2371579
>I know the feel.
What are you talking about you donut I'm the one that ported TSP to TSP neo.

>>2371569
If you aren't still mad at me I could help with porting in like 3 days when I'll have more free time.

>>2372258
>it's pretty easy to do
That explanation went completely over my head and I'm pretty familiar with Decorate/ACS, so you really need to work on your definition of "easy".

>>2372197
>i mean sure it's still polite to respect his wishes
A lot of times for code it's not.
People will try to claim ownership over code that is too broad; when there is only a certain method or handful of methods of doing something, claiming ownership over that stuff means that you're actively harming the modding community by preventing others from doing something that is integral to getting a lot of stuff working. Furthermore most of the coding functions were created by others with the express intent of making it easy for people to get the code to do exactly what they want it to do, and saying (c) original code do not steal goes against that.

For instance imagine if I went ahead and happened to be the first person to use A_Warp when it was first introduced with an angle parameter that changes every tic to cause something to orbit another actor.

A_Warp orbit (c) me, nobody else can use A_Warp to make things orbit without my permission.

>>2372262
I probably just explained it poorly, it's not difficult.

The issue is that in Zandronum (unless it changed in 2.0, but I don't believe it did) you can't get a projectile to reliably reference the actor it hit, nor can you get an actor to reliably reference the projectile that just hit it. Because of that, you can't have things thrust the actor hit by a projectile in line with the angle of the projectile hitting the actor, since you can't get the angle and pitch information from the projectile.

You get around this by having custom pain states which reflect which player fired the projectile. Player 1 fires a projectile, simultaneously his angle and pitch are stored in angle[0] and pitch[0], where both are 64-large mapwide ACS arrays. The projectile's damagetype is "P1D[SomeExtraIdentifyingPart]" (the damagetype name is much smaller, but used longer name to explain what it's purpose is) so when it hits an actor, the actor enters it's "Pain.P1D[SomeExtraIdentifyingPart]" pain state, which runs an ACS script that recalls the angle and pitch of the projectile from angle[0] and pitch[0] and then uses that information to thrust the actor.

>>2372221
I play CPM as well.
Who said people here don't play both?

>>2372279
Bruh.

>>2372279
Or since this is monsters we're dealing with and not players, just have the monster a_facetarget on the player and then a_recoil back.

No need to go the excessively and needlessly complicated route for minimal gain when a simple one will suffice, bro.

>>2372279
i think i understood that. it seems like a really disgusting hack. :)

but why can't the actor know about the projectile that hit it? i mean, even in vanilla doom, when a missile strikes a target, P_DamageMobj is called with a pointer to the target, the missile, and the source, which is the actor that launched the missile. is it just that the ACS machine doesn't expose this information to the code it runs?

>>2372302
>Or since this is monsters we're dealing with and not players, just have the monster a_facetarget on the player and then a_recoil back.
While monsters usually target the player that just hit them, they don't always. Especially not in multiplayer, where multiple players will probably be hitting them, especially for things with larger health.
While that method would probably work 80% of the time, the other 20% they'd be getting thrust in a direction completely different from the direction they should be thrust in. Even directly towards the player that just shot them, so you shoot a monster and it gets thrust into your face.

>>2372304
>it seems like a really disgusting hack. :)
It is. It's gross and it's awful but there's no other option that I've found. I wouldn't bring it up or recommend it if I knew a better way of doing it.
>is it just that the ACS machine doesn't expose this information to the code it runs?
That's the exact reason; the engine knows what hit what but ACS or Decorate can't get ahold of this information.

>>2372291
Is it just the grossness of the solution or did I explain it poorly again?

>>2372312
>While monsters usually target the player that just hit them, they don't always.

If an enemy is put in Pain state, they always target whoever invoked that. When we're dealing with unique damagetypes that put monsters in that pain state, yes, they do always.

First time player here

Do I miss out on any neat mods by using GZDoom instead of ZDoom?

>>2372319
no
you gain them, if anything

>>2372319
Nope, but if you were using ZDoom instead of GZDoom then yeah you'd be missing out.

>>2372317
>If an enemy is put in Pain state, they always target whoever invoked that.
They usually do, because there is usually enough time between pain states, not always. There is a limit to monsters (except for ones that have +QUICKTORETALIATE) on how often they can switch targets.
From the ZDoom wiki:
>Normally, when an actor acquires a target, it is prevented from switching to a new target for a set period of time (Specifically, it sets a counter at 100 and counts down by 1 for every A_Chase call the actor makes).
For monsters, most vanilla monsters call A_Chase every 4 tics (some more often, some less), so they'd need about 11 seconds of time spent in their See state to be able to target a new target (less for ones that call it more often) and if they were hit by a different player during that time the direction they were thrust would be incorrect.

>>2372337

And the ZDoom wiki is completely wrong.
I mean, come on, this is easily demonstratable. Put A_GiveToTarget in the death sequence of a monster, make it go after one player, have another player kill it, the second player will get the item.

>>2372347
Aren't deaths handled differently from pain states though with regard to switching targets?

>>2372324
>>2372331
Do ZDoom things work with GZDoom?

Or at least the wads?

>>2372405
gzdoom is zdoom with an opengl renderer
so yes

>>2372405
GZDoom is just ZDoom with an OpenGL renderer. Unlike Zandronum, GZDoom actually manages to stay up to date with the latest ZDoom versions. You can even turn the renderer off and use ZDoom's software renderer instead, without needing ZDoom itself. There's really no reason to have both, unless you can't run GZDoom 2.x.

>>2372410
Which version of GZDoom should I use there's a bunch on the link the pastebin gives.

>>2372415
1.9.10

>>2372416
That's not on the page the pastebin has
http://devbuilds.drdteam.org/gzdoom/

>>2372415
http://devbuilds.drdteam.org/gzdoom/
The one with the most recent date here. If you can't run it, use 1.8.10 (found here: http://forum.drdteam.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=6482)) instead, it's the last GZDoom version prior to the OpenGL version upgrade.

And as I said, if you can't run the 2.x builds (it requires OpenGL 4.0, so you need a fairly recent PC), you should keep the latest ZDoom devbuild around too. That can be found here: http://devbuilds.drdteam.org/zdoom/

>>2372410

What's the reason to use GZDoom 2.x?, it really runs like shit...

>>2372423
The last 1.x build won't be updated with new ZDoom features anymore. There are already mods that use features that aren't in it, such as Hideous Destructor and Re-Exhumed. The new renderer provides little benefit to those who can run it, and locks out everyone who can't. It's a pretty shitty decision, but it's Graf's port, so he gets to do whatever he wants with it.

>>2372426
Plus it's so poorly optimized that even with a top of the line computer, your chances of actually running it are low.

>>2372430
It's really not that bad. It will run slightly better than 1.x if you have a GL 4.0 card. Problem is, if you have a GL 4.0 card, chances are you already had stable 100+ FPS in most if not all situations. And if your card can't do GL 4.0, you're completely fucked.

>>2372439

> ATI 5870
> OpenGL 3.2

I'm a nigger..

CurrencyAnon here, can anyone upload a high-res png of the items/weapons from Doom 1/2? Resizing sprites from other pngs aren't doing it justice.

>>2372442

And for the record I can't use SLADE on my class's computer.

>>2372439
>It's really not that bad.
true - if it were, wouldn't there be long threads full of complaints on the official forums?

>>2372450
I have a feeling that's less to do with the problem not being widespread and more to do with the people who've been shafted already being familiar with Graf "[No]" Zahl's general attitude and recognize the futility in complaining about anything he does with his port.

However, it is more telling that nobody's forked GZDoom 1.8.10 and continued updating its ZDoom base. Marrub did it, but he only made like one build and then stopped, and he worked off the last 1.9pre devbuild, which is older than 1.8.10.

Was Doom 3 right all along?

http://altereddimensions.net/2014/strange-anomalous-objects-on-surface-of-mars

>>2372474
AAAAAAAAAAAA

>>2372474
Oh boy

is there a way to have oblige generate levels for heretic or hexen?

>>2372450
>if it were, wouldn't there be long threads full of complaints on the official forums?

You mean the "how many of you cannot run GZDoom's OpenGL renderer" topic, which is still being updated about as people post in it, to which Graf's/Edward's only response is "fuck off"?

>>2371869
Hell is where the Lawful Evil Devils live.
The Abyss is where the Chaotic Evil Demons live.

>>2372474
Did we ever find any weird shit on the moon ever?

>>2371869
by that headcanon every monster you fight in doom is a demon

>>2371869
>the tentacles are also used for other various purposes
lennyface

>>2371869
Oh, I read your post wrong.

Pinkies, imps, knights, barons, and cyberdemons (before they get the Bunnie Rabbot treatment) are Hell-native. After the IoS takeover, the Abyssals recruited Mancubi, a group of the Damned of Hell, and outfitted them with bastardized military/UAC weaponry.

The invading force from the Abyss includes cacodemons, pain elementals, lost souls, arachnotrons, masterminds, and archies. After taking over the IoS, they were able to get revenants through the portal and outfit them as well.

>>2372534
Could you explain? I'm a little lost on that one.

>>2372520
yeah

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_in_the_Moon

Should I continue?

I am doing a female chaingunner in a close as possible colour palette as the original.

I know HDooM conveniently leaves out the zombie men, but I think the chaingunner is cool.

>>2372636
sounds like a fun project, go on

and at "worst" maybe a censored version could end up in doomRLA monsters, maybe

>>2372636
Yes

I don't know why it leaves out zombie men anyway.

>>2372641
probably because if they're alive and possesed it's rapey and if they're dead it's gross

>>2372647
idk, demonic possession that turns girls into sexy sluts sounds pretty good to me and not even very rapey.

What's wrong with rapey anyway.

>>2372636
that's some shitty armor but yes please
>>2372654
>What's wrong with rapey anyway.
um

>>2372654
>not even very rapey.
literally taking control of their bodies and using it for sexual gratification
sounds pretty rapey
>What's wrong with rapey anyway.
the devs don't like it, first and foremost

>>2372662
Which is totally different from how you physically take control of the demon's bodies and use them for sexual gratification?

>>2372669
what

>>2372669
yes, because that doesn't happen
devs said it's a game for the demons, they willingly submit to you when you prove you're worthy

>>2372658
Please tell me what's wrong with rapey. You know we're talking about lewd video games, right?

>>2372662
I'm really not into rape at all, but this still sounds pretty good which is why I feel it's not that rapey, but idk.

If the devs aren't down though, I guess that's all the reason you need.

>>2372672
Theey could just completely throw former humans out of the setting, and replace them with demons, which would make it totally okay.

>>2372674
i mean yeah in the context of a doom wad it doesnt mean much but uhhh if rape gives you a boner then you probably need counseling

>>2372658
>Armor
>On an undead

Next you're going to tell me that the spikes on the imps aren't enough protection from plasma.

Anon, pls...

>>2372676
>>2372647
>>2372672

Yeah, just make them humanoid demons with guns.

>>2372676
that's what they are already doing you dummy
>>2372680
rape fantasies are pretty common m8, don't demonize (heh) the guy

>>2372672
And how is that different from a zombie willingly submitting?

>>2372680
50% of the human population schlicks to rape fantasies.

>>2372682
yeah i guess but considering you can kill the zombies with bullets in doom it'd prob be helpful

>>2372686
nigga
see >>2372647
if they are possesed they aren't willingly submitting

>>2372685
>>2372687
w/e makes you feel better

>>2372680
Are you retarded? Rape is a pretty common fetish. Play Club came out friday and it's entirely about rape. Loads of people fap to (fake) rape porn or play out rape fantasies with their partners.

You know people can fantasize about stuff without actually wanting to do it right? It's no different from playing video games about killing people.

>>2372636
Looks cool as hell - maybe you'd be interested in the red imp's actual armored design at some point

. I'm keeping em demons, but i'm hoping to at least give them some armor to designate their 'zombiemen replacement' status at somep oint.

Best victorian mansion/spoopy haunted house WADs? Want something on the far side from techbases and cyberhell

>>2372694
So zombiemen aren't actually evil, and you're just killing them in cold blood.

>>2372685
They shouldn't just be colored imps though.

You should actually make them based off the zombiemen, but just get around the whole rape/dead thing by saying they are actually just humanoid demons.

>>2372636
Make her thong a sexy ammo belt type deal

>>2372707
No, they're already dead.

>>2372710
So it would be necrophilia, not rape.

>>2372672
>>2372647
Just take out the rape, and replace is with mind break.

>>2372707
yes
is that or they're dead
and if they're dead then it's too gross for hdoom, i would guess
which was in my first post

>>2372706
gonehomo2.wad

>>2372720
pls

>>2372708
This is basically the endgame for the colored imps - they'll be imp variants, but they'll have armor that bears some resembelance to their original zombiemen counterparts (and maybe weapons too, not sure)

>>2372719
Yeah have you seen the caco? Not really too gross for HDoom.

>>2372716
which was already discussed
you dense motherfucker

>>2372701
w/e makes you feel better. are you too fucked up to realize that it being a consensual fantasy means it has nothing to actually do with rape? wanting to rape things is weird anon. ffs.

>>2372674
The guys making HDoom don't want it to be rapey.
They want it to be lighthearted and lewd.

So having rapey stuff clashes with the tone they're going with.

>>2372728
>weird = bad

Why are you here? I'm sure there's a Doom subreddit for you.

>>2372728
>it has nothing to actually do with rape
kinda what he was saying don't you think

>>2372734
rape isn't "bad" in the context of a video game i guess. it's just a weird thing to want in a mod already about fucking everything and especially a weird thing to defend

>>2372723
enh

I just really want some mostly human demons now like >>2372636

>>2372737
I don't even want it, and I'm not even into it, you're just being a fucking faggot.

There is literally nothing wrong with someone getting off on rape fantasies.

rape = bad
pretend rape = nothing

>>2372728
Anon, you're posting in a thread full of adults discussing a game explicitly about killing people. If you can talk about first person shooters and somehow not see how that same cognitive dissonance can apply to sex, I think you're the one with the problem.

Granted, Doom is probably one of the most guilt-free shooters by design, but the point stands.

>>2372745
but it's like games about killing people aren't fun because you can kill people, they're fun because of the interesting scenarios that puts you in. i'm tired of shitting up the thread with rape-talk but i don't think rape has a place in a light-hearted anime doom mod

>>2372750
or atleast as lighthearted as a porn mod can get??

>>2372750
I think everyone agrees we shouldn't have rape in HDoom, but you (or whoever started this argument) was arguing that if you were into rape you were weird and needed counseling.

If you'll stop backpedaling and we can just agree that the original argument was retarded, then there'd be no more reason to shit up the thread.

>>2372759
killing =/= virtual killing
rape =/= virtual rape

>>2372763
sorry, change it to

>if you were into rape fantasies

>>2372647
Mike has already confirmed the next set of weapons will be "love bullets" that arouse/seduce demons.

We're already at pretty fucking creepy drug-induced rape-y levels, whether or not the dead consents to it is a drop in the bucket in comparison.

>>2372771
except it's also confirmed that the demons will have their way with you when you lose. Given that their intent is to fuck you in the first place, anything that simply speeds that process along isn't exactly 'creepy drug induced rapy'

>>2372776
So basically if the zombiemen were replaced with zombiewomen instead of recolored imps, they would be mind controlled and raped, and raping you as well. So it'd be one giant MGSV style forced rape clusterfuck

I'm still not sure how the ethics of fucking seduced girl demons is in dispute when the overall concept of Doom itself is to end the lives of millions of sentient creatures in gory ways. Feels a little like a double standard.

So how about that GMOTA guys?

Any love in here for Chocolate Doom?

>>2372776
That's not actually in yet, though, and considering Mike's speed of work, probably won't be in for a long time, while he's working on the guns now.

If he wants to explain it as that, fair enough, but I think the water guns were better, funnier, simpler, and resulted in much less questions about everything.

>>2372781
No, it's more that there is a mutual intent for fucking - the only thing really in dispute is whose 'on top'

>>2372783
edge pls go

they're literally demons and they struck first

>>2372792
>they struck first
So did the HDoom demons.

>>2372787
not really - people could have asked plenty of questions about the water guns too if they really wanted to try and stir things up.

>This fucking topic

>>2372795
and nobody's trying to dispute that

>>2372801
on top of that, the wording of it has really made it clear the effect of the new weapons aren't set in stone, other than it'll be nonlethal

>>2372636

please do continue her.

>>2372802
Anyone up for posting Berstrips instead of talking about hdoom?

>>2372803
My point is that none of this shit is real. If we were talking about actual rape and actual murder then the ethical points brought up so far would be of some validity. But it's literally simulated pixels on a screen. Anything that isn't harming real people is of no real-world consequence, and it's up to your personal taste to decide whether you want to partake in it.

>>2372808
no because that's offtopic

>Man, I'm so fucking overpowered in DoomRPG/DoomRLA
>Maybe I should go play on Armageddon mode
>Get killed by a swarm of "The Hungry" assholes while chaingun guys make swiss cheese out of my cyberwarrior armor

>>2372813
did you feel smart writing that
that's been discussed
>and it's up to your personal taste to decide whether you want to partake in it.
the devs don't want to partake on it

>>2372808
I'd do it if i had them, but because i don't i am going to say this.

Arguing about H-Doom's consent and other stuff? Fucking really?
H-Doom is basically Doom but with sexy finishers, there is no context into the fucking mod, NONE. The lack of Human girls was just making place holders, not that H-Doom'd Zombie soldiers could be considered rape, this is a fucking dumb topic and its as bad and shit and stupid and faggot and idiotic as calling H-Doom a disgrace to doom when fucking shit like terrywads, ocean TC and many other shit that uses one-angled images of sexy anime girls and Swan Fox exists. But suddenly Mike12 is now worse than hitler for making a PROPER AND NOT SHIT xxx doom mod?
Pathetic as shit.

>>2372818
>the devs don't want to partake on it
Well then good for them. The important thing is that it should be their desicion, rather than getting pressured in to some moral quandary by butthurt idiots.

>>2372824
Also for the guy who thinks that the devs decided to not add Zombie-girls, i want a screenshot where Mike12 said that there won't be zombie girls.

>>2372824
The removal of zombies had nothing to do with rape, it was just that they didn't really fit the tone we're going for.

>>2372825
We're not doing rape - not because of some moral dillemma thing, but just because it's not my cup of tea and it wouldn't fit the mod's tone.

>>2372831
Oh, and an additional we went with imp variants (eventually imp soldiers) over zombies is because we'd have a bit of a consistency issue otherwise. If we went with just edits of the normal female zombie/marine sprites, it'd clash with the whole animu thing everything else has. If we changed the heads and such to fit the whole animu look, they'd obviously be bigger than Doomguy's helmeted head in-game, which would seem a bit odd since they're supposed to be the same species.

>>2372831
Fair enough.

>>2372485
Go to the Oblige website. It specifically says you need an older version for that, and you can download it there too.

Hexen maps suck ass though. No bosses, weird mana placement (main hub with no mana, enter a portal and there are 400 pickups right in front of you), most items dont spawn, absolutely no clear way to where you're supposed to go first, so you can end with 2~3 pieces of your ultimate weapon while still using your starting one (dont pick Parias, at least not without mods).
It also sometimes generates useless extra keys at the end of pointless side hubs.

>>2372801
i always thought they were cum guns

>>2372849
That would dry up/clog pretty fast

>>2372853
maybe its watered down cum

here I wanted to make the black imp variant for colourful hell one smoking devil but I ended up over doing it again

>>2372846
ok, thanks
but what about heretic? it was a lot closer to doom than hexen from what i remember

i just want to try WoC in coop with a friend

>>2372905
WoC works on Doom maps anyways
Search for a gothic map or some shit

Is there anywhere else to download the main iwad pack?

Every fucking time I try to download the damn thing this happens.

>spriting carnival thread

what's the fucking point of spamming weapon pickups if you're not doing the actual weapon sprites goddamn

also raymoohawk is stepping up his game and i like that.

is it me or is the DHTP site kill?

>>2372785
Chocolate Doom is great for nostalgia, and playtesting.

I don't use it for regular play, though. I use Eternity for that.

I saw someone mentioning Doom and Quake so, why not both?
Why don't you guys try the Quake Stuff mod? It includes most (if not all) Quake weapons and monsters for Doom. Combine that with the Quake view tilting and you will have a nice minimod.

Its also all 3D models and is compatible with lots of other wads.

>>2373053

> why not both?

>>2373053
I'd rather have a 2.5d Quake.

>>2372469
Dammit.
I wish someone did a OpenGL 2.0 fork of GZDoom that kept up to date with ZDoom.

>>2373053
>quake weapons and monsters
disgusting

>>2373127
I'd rather have 32-bit true-color Software render, that is mainly why i don't play on software.

>>2373146
True color software renderer would be neat. I'm not that bothered by the limited, though.

>>2373183
limited palette*

You know the RNG hates you when you play Colorful Hell with Trailblazer on Going Down, and every single map spawns a Black tier enemy.

>>2372680
Rape fantasies are incredibly common, it's really no case for alarm.
Not everyone likes them, and many would be disgusted with the thought, but it's really not at all unusual for a person to have a sexual fantasy involving rape or rape-like elements, without being a rapist or otherwise being mentally deficient.

Now, if he said, actually went and raped people, we would have to shoot him.

Mike doesn't want any rape in relation to H-Doom, or any other violence either, because that's not what he wants it to be. I can respect that.

>>2372771
>We're already at pretty fucking creepy drug-induced rape-y levels

You're reading a lot into this considering it's supposed to be a playful sexgame retrofitted from a violent shooter.

It's really just a way for making the mechanics of the base game fit the mod.

>>2372504
apparently i did. i've been looking for this for a while: i don't follow the zdoom forums and a few cursory searches had not turned up anything like the amount of complaining i see on /vr/ about the gzdoom renderer issue. this led me to suspect it was just one or two malcontents spewing a lot of hot air on a forum where they could get away with it. :)

thanks for the link, i shall keep an eye on it. for anyone playing along at home, here's a link to the last page (the first goes all the way back to 2011, irrelevantly)

http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=829943#p829943

>>2372349
>>2372347
>And the ZDoom wiki is completely wrong.
>I mean, come on, this is easily demonstratable. Put A_GiveToTarget in the death sequence of a monster, make it go after one player, have another player kill it, the second player will get the item.

I was busy earlier, but now I'm not, so I had a chance to throw together a test wad to check this.

You are incorrect. While that is true of Death states it's not true of Pain states. The actor does not switch targets just from entering it's pain state. In fact, it's even less reliable of a method than I thought. See for yourself:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxbbtKR5bll_VW9YVmlJMXZYRWM/view?usp=sharing

The imp on the right is the one that has a check in it's pain states that will log hits and tally the number of matches between what hit it and what it's targeting, the imp on the left is a friendly one. Hit the switch to remove the barrier between them. Tested in both ZDoom and Zandronum.

>>2372636
the first thing i noticed was the ahoge :)

shouldn't she have afro-caribbean hair? chaingunners are black.

>>2372543
right so the more humanoid-looking monsters are lawful and the rest chaotic. except, no, revenants and archviles seem to violate that. the ones that look like traditional horned goat heads are lawful and the more outlandish shapes chaotic. still seems a bit inconsistent. and revenants are an actual type of demon, not just reanimated bones?

>>2373246
Revenants are reanimated bones, and archies resurrect the dead. Decidedly unlawful.

Imps are traditionally native to hell, and the royal goatmen can't be native to anthing but Hell. Cyberdemons are dead bodies of goatmen killed in the invasion, put back together with bastardized military tech, and resurrected under Archie control.

Average GMOTA Gameplay.webm part 2

>>>/wsg/615949

>>2373243
I never even thought chaingunners were black. I just assumed they were brown without really thinking about it.

>>2372931
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66496479/NearlyallIWADSyouneed.zip
Though it's missing strife.wad and all iwads for fan-made stuff like hacx, harmony, etc.

>>2373304
They could be mixed.

>>2373370
HacX was kind of a retail thing.
Or meant to be.

What map packs have great soundtracks /vr/?

>>2373304
They look hispanic to me

>>2373405
The 32in24 series have some fantastic MIDI beats, even if they are based on music from real life or vidya. Be sure to get BassMIDI and a good soundfont.

I haven't even played competitively on them, I just download them and go to all the maps to listen to the individual tracks.

>>2373243
I thought he looked like an old asian guy. He's got squinty eyes, high cheekbones and a Chinese-style mustachio. So I gave him an asian girl haircut.

>>2372709
I am still working on her "costume" but I am considering it.

>>2372702
I'd rather it be some sort of demonic glowing floaty orb armor instead of the regular fare. Or even chainmail or something a bit more bikini-armor like. I like it when the only hard things are the spikes and the rest is soft. :3c

Sgt Shivers is doing things again

>>2373432
Why do people prefer this garbage over software mode again?

Whoops, didn't mean to post that. Sorry.

>>2373432
I literally cannot stop laughing. Can you please kick arch-vile for me? I hate those assholes

>>2371836
what are some cool retro FPS games similar to doom? btw doom port for gameboy isnt half bad.. although not the best way to play

newfag here
what am i doing wrong?
C: is my SSD so i dont want to use it

>>2373483
>C: is my SSD so i dont want to use it
You could download WADs all day and not use 100MB.

Also, it's fine. It's just telling you that it will look in the path you gave it.

>>2373474

>>2373485
Yay! Take that, martian!

>>2373485
100% chance of triggering pain state?

>>2373487

Yeah, Pull Guy's boot is pretty mighty.

>>2373484
okay. i was just clicking on apply and when i cliked on Ok it stopped saying that

im new and this all seems pretty scary to me. i tried to join a server and it told me to download doom so i got freedoom and put the wads on zandronum folder just like they asked me... now i just need to set my resolution properly

>>2373492
I SET IT TO 1920X1080 AND IT STILL LOOKS PRETTY BAD
WHATS WRONG WITH THE FONTS
IM TOO USED TO HIGH PIXEL DENSITY

>>2373494
>1920X1080
>HIGH PIXEL DENSITY

>>2373495
is it supposed to look like this at 1920x1080?
please tell me what im doing wrong

>>2373495
may i just say.

the way it's gone from 1080p (vertical resolution) to 4k (horizontal resolution, and an approximation, because it can sometimes mean 3840 and can sometimes mean 4096) is ==utterly stupid==.

sorry, i needed to get that off my chest.
carry on.

>>2373497
Looks fine.

Doom was meant to run at 320x200.

>>2373498
It's from Digital Cinema terminology. The scanners have a certain resolution across the (fixed) width of the film, and then the picture height depends on the format of the frames on the film.

>>2373432
Oh mama

>>2373497
i suggest you pirate the original game instead of trying to live with freedoom as your main game data.

>>2373501
i think the only ports that have tried to increase the font resolution for high res are DOOM RETRO which has some custom thing based on the original game and ZDaemon which uses truetype rendering or some such.

>>2373502
is that right? it just seems like marketer's bullshit. well, never mind, this is getting way off topic.

>>2373504
whats wrong with freedom? is there a better free source alternative? btw it looks so wierd when i look up, like if the FOV was too big so surfaces look "curvy"

>>2373507
>free
Depends on your definition of "free," anon.

>>2373507
Just pirate the game. Literally none of the original doom devs work at id now, your money is going straight into zenimax's pockets.

>>2371838
>[04-23] The effects of having Doom's RNG return a constant value
>http://jmtd.net/log/deterministic_doom/
there's a video now.
http://jmtd.net/log/deterministic_doom/2/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvfJoy1rjmo

>>2373512
oh okay... then i guess its allright to do it
>>2373498
i always thought it just came from the fact that 4 1080p screens equal 1 4k screen

>>2373507
>whats wrong with freedom?
ITYM freedoom. :)

there's nothing wrong with it as a project by itself. but as a replacement for the original games, it's simply never going to measure up.

plus, almost everyone you play online with will have the original game data themselves, so it will reduce communication impedance mismatch for you to run the same. a network effect, basically.

>>2373504
Is there a way to play Freedoom with the actual Doom iwads so I don't have to stare at the godawful spriting?

>>2373517
The whole point of Freedoom is to replace the copyrighted sprites, textures and levels with free alternatives. It stops being Freedoom the second you start using the original content.

I want to play with psx sfx and music. I have a wad of the soundtrack - how do I use this with zdoom? And how do I find/use the sfx as well?

Would I be better off trying to straight emulate a psx iso instead? pls help

Is there a way to get GZDoom to store save files in the folder of the WAD I'm playing?

>>2373517
yes of course but it will need some wad editing.

take a freedoom iwad and delete all the sprites out of it (everything between S_START/END). sounds too presumably (DS*, DP*). then change its type to pwad if necessary, load it with -file as normal, with -iwad pointed to doom/doom2.wad.

i suggest you leave the textures intact as freedoom has more textures than doom and you will be left with missing textures everywhere if you delete them and try to play the levels.

>>2373518
it's also meant to be a free content resource you can mix with the original game and use in mods etc. so there's nothing wrong with playing the levels with the original graphics.

you can pull the levels out of freedoom and put them in your own project if you want, although nobody's done it because it would be incredibly lame. it's not like unique maps are hard to come by.

>>2373520
literally just drag the wad onto ZDoom.

>>2373405
Anything involving Mark Klem and David Shaw

BTSX also has great music.

Would anybody be interested in a TL;DR of a story-based megawad/TC I have? The basic leveldesign descriptions, mechanics and ideas, story and the like.

>>2373531
Oh, fuck. For some reason I that wasn't working for me last night.

Good news: GMOTA boots in Zandronum

bad news: This shit breaks and crashes when I start.

Also I'm getting some script error messages like this as well:

script warning "" line 0:
icon ' ' for 'bootprotection' not found

Progress IS being made though

>>2373541

and HOLY SHIT IT'S WORKING

Up to E1M24 in BTSX, now.

That slaughter pit caught me off guard. Might attempt it again tomorrow

I was just thinking...

There must have been a ton of WADs blown for HDooM already.

>>2372423
>What's the reason to use GZDoom 2.x?, it really runs like shit...

It runs fine on modern NVIDIA hardware (I've ran it on both my 550 ti, and 770, and did not run into any problems). AMD might have issues, though.

>>2373537
Spit it out anon.

>>2373432
>>2373485
washington.pk3

>>2373497

Download hiresdoomfont_plushud.wad.

>>2373621
>>2372441

>>2373405
TNT Evilution
Plutonia 2 had excellent soundtrack, particularly the tracks by Jimmy Paddock, he's gr8 m8, also check out Jenesis
BTSX all have fantastic music all over the place (BTSX is probably one of my most favorite series in years due to how much effort they put into EVERYTHING)
Anything by Lainos involving his after the end kind of levels, fantastic atmosphere.
Double Impact had a particularly amazing rendition of an original track.
Epic 2 had some great shit if you don't mind a bit of slaughter.

Any soundfont recommendations for bassmidi? Just been using timbres of heaven to start out, and it sounds really good.

>>2373484
It's best not to put too much activity on SSDs even if 100MB of WADs wouldn't do much.

>>2373834
>a few wads
>any kind of real activity
Do you just have your SSD sitting there completely blank not being used for anything or something?

Having your wads on it is fucking nothing.

>>2373834
http://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead
>PETABYTES
And you cry over MBs. They are there to be used.

>>2373818
Arachnosoft.

or just use any of the Roland SC soundfonts.

What's the maximum rate of fire that Doom can handle?

>>2373859
As high as you damn well please, although infinite values do cause lockups for obvious reasons.

>>2373859
If I had to "guess", somewhere along the lines of 2.4 billion a tic (1/35th of a second) as long as it doesn't also crash due to your CPU utterly dying in the process.
If not that, at least 32k/tic.

>>2373859
hmm. the game world runs at 35Hz. A_FireShotgun2 (super shotgun) fires 20 pellets. so if you can arrange to have that called every gametic you get 20*35=700 bullets per second. you can increase this by messing with zero-length tics to have A_FIreShotgun2 called more than once per tic, i suppose.

the super weapons patch suprwep8.deh which comes with dehacked does this to as optimized a degree as the dehacked author could manage.

>>2373863
The Sky May Be more than one-up'd that with the chaingun dumping it's entire load in a single tic.

>>2373864
ah yes that unbounded recursion that only works by chance. in fact it outright crashes / loops infinitely in Boom because of the way weapon switching changed there. P_SetMobjState and P_SetPsprite aren't the best thought out functions in the world.

Here is an update. She is nearly done now.

>>2373894
AWESOME!

>>2373894

>>2373894
>those thighs

>>2373856
Awesome, I'm digging arachno. Thank you.

>>2373894
Heard Smooth Doom is looking for Chaingunner Variants...
Fuck, now I want female variants for all monsters for non-h-doom.

>>2373517
all you have to do is:
>open the freedoom wad in slade
>filter lumps by "map"
>ctrl+a
>ctrl+c
>make a new wad
>ctrl+v all that data into a new wad
>save it
>run with the correct iwad

Since I'm going to assume you're lazy as fuck, imma upload what I did. Run Freemaps1.wad with DOOMU.WAD as the iwad, and free_maps2.wad with doom2.wad as the iwad.
it should work. Bear in mind that Freedoom is pretty much all around shit, though. Not only is the spriting bad, but they're not great as megawads either.
It literally was designed so that people could basically play shit like BTSX or Memento Mori without having to pirate doom.

Freemaps1.wad (DOOMU.WAD)
>http://www.mediafire.com/download/wt58dd1xyyweeit/freemaps1.wad

Free_maps2.wad (doom2.wad)
>http://www.mediafire.com/download/9xdnp2gukhf4wsr/free_maps2.wad

again, freedoom's sprites aren't the only thing shitty about them. Actually playing the maps with non-free resources kinda defeats the purpose of the entire project...

>>2373916
>Since I'm going to assume you're lazy as fuck, imma upload what I did. Run Freemaps1.wad with DOOMU.WAD as the iwad, and free_maps2.wad with doom2.wad as the iwad.
>it should work.

as i explained earlier, you will likely also need the textures to avoid lots of missing texture errors.

>It literally was designed so that people could basically play shit like BTSX or Memento Mori without having to pirate doom.

no it wasn't, it was meant to be the libre game data counterpart to the then recently released-as-gpl doom source, to create an entirely free-as-in-freedom doom engine game.

>Actually playing the maps with non-free resources kinda defeats the purpose of the entire project...

but you just said its only purpose is to run btsx without needing to buy doom. so which is it?

Messing with midi and soundfonts seem to have fucked with my zdoom 2.6.1 a bit. When I quit the game, the launcher crashes and I have to close it via task manager. Also, going straight to sound options after startup causes a crash. But I can change sound options once I'm in game. Not too big of a deal, just kind of annoying. Should I reinstall zdoom or leave it be?

>>2373896
>>2373898
>>2373902
And she's done!

I know now I did some silly decisions when I started making it and I should have changed it (like the hard outlines), but I don't have much time for this so I'll just let it be for now.

>>2373927
>as i explained earlier, you will likely also need the textures to avoid lots of missing texture errors.

I looked into those "texture errors" and can't seem to figure out what's actually going on.

Crispy doom runs it relatively normally, but renders a lot of flats with some pretty bad tutti frutti looking errors. It also has unknown linedef types, so I'm assuming it has some boom-only shit to it.
In zdoom/gzdoom, the same tutti-frutti flats fail to render at all. I'm not sure they're "missing", per se, but rather, I'm pretty sure it's just another case of the libre software movement being utterly incompetant again. They render (albeit, broken) in one engine, but not at all in another? that smells like a poorly made wad rather than outright missing textures.
Prboom and Prboom+ fail to load the maps at all, which makes sense, given that there are some obviously zdoom-only features in certain maps (specifically, e1m2 has some weird 3d floor + transparancy thing going on. not cool)

tl;dr I'm not seeing outright missing content at all; just poorly formatted content.

>but you just said its only purpose is to run btsx without needing to buy doom. so which is it?

right, the purpose is to have an iwad to run pwads that serve as game replacements (megawads, basically). Actually playing the maps without the freetard content doesn't make sense.
You're violating the libre sprit of it by just playing the maps, but stealing id's iwad resources. If you were using it as an iwad to play pwads that require an iwad to run, but otherwise have all needed resources (btsx is a good example), then it would make sense, as you'd be
>playing on a libre engine
>with a libre iwad
>that allows you to play community created content that you can judge the software ethics of independantly

I see no contradiction in my terms or intent, though.

>>2373951

Well now I'm imagining a horror mod where you're going through a maze of mannequins and several turn to look at you.

>>2373951
what am I looking at and why does it make my penis feel the same way marathon with HD sprites does?

>>2373951
Is this fake 2.5d? It looks interesting.

>>2373959
>>2373956
>>2373953

It's a game i'm working with very similar doom mechanics.

>>2373959
>fake 2.5d

although he doesn't pitch and give away the signs of y-shearing, the framerate and color quality make me want to say that he's in gzdoom, which means he's technically in a true 3d environment.

>>2373537
Why did you post a gray deer?

>>2373948
i guess the skimpy outfit means it is meant to be cheesecake more than an actual zombified female heavy weapon dude (female dude? err..) that would make sense if it showed up in the game, but it's good, nicely coloured and if you do any of the other zombies i look forward to it

>>2373964
maybe his megawad idea ended up being
"cabela's ectoplasmic hunts: ghost deer hunter 2015".

>>2373964
It's teal.
Teal;Deer.
T L; D R

-----joke----->
__you__

>>2373967
cheesecake?

>>2373961
Is this a sprite with a heightmap or a model? The video before would have me say that it is a sprite, but now Im unsure.

If you're making a game, make sure to make it moddable :P

>>2373978

It's actually a Sprite with a normal and specular map.

>>2373974
no, he's trying to pretend to be Our Lad Kegan by faking color blindness. so, it is fact you upon whom the joke is.

>>2373964
nice try but El Keganito doesn't format his posts that way.

>>2373982
You're looking too much into it.

why does /vr/ hate quake and the original quake team fortress?

>>2373995
Omg TF on quake was so fucking hilarious.

>>2373995
Because you touch yourself at night? I don't know, stop asking questions based on false presumptions.

>>2373995
/vr/ doesn't hate Quake, you're just retarded.

>>2373995

Wait, we do?

>>2374002
then how come the last 3 times i tried to make a quake team fortress thread and bring up a server, i get told to fuck off to /v/ and that quake is shit? does everyone really like tf2 or tfc that much?

>>2374005

I don't know. Most of us probably don't know. Why don't you ask them?
A few posters does not represent the entirety of /vr/, and the fact that you really think it does says more about you than it does /vr/.

>>2374009
>A few posters does not represent the entirety of /vr/

Do you even know where we are?

>>2373995
>>2374005
>then how come the last 3 times i tried to make a quake team fortress thread and bring up a server, i get told to fuck off to /v/ and that quake is shit?
>check on archive
>https://archive.moe/vr/thread/2268223/#2268223
>last thread is completely clean aside from a total of one shitpost
>https://archive.moe/vr/thread/1727784/#1727784
>second thread is completely clean aside from one shitpost

Anon, you are either retarded or have the thinnest fucking skin in the world.

>>2374015
none of those are my threads, and also

>thinking archives are legitimate

>>2374030
>>>thinking archives are legitimate
What do you think theres an army of like 500 autists that edit each and every threads to make it completely different for archival?

>>2374034
well yes, there are people who control what content is on the archives

let's not forget that EVERY SINGLE 4CHAN ARCHIVE is unreliable, as none of them have any old posts, none of them even have anything from 2005 DONATE OR DIE, nothing about MrSpooky, etc. what good is an "archive" if someone is controlling what can be added to it, and it only contains content from the recent few years?

Regardless, that's not the point. The point is that every time I've tried to get QTF servers hosted, my threads get ruined by sperglords, and I'm trying to figure out why, because Quake Team Fortress is the best team-based multiplayer shooter of all time, and I simply can't see why anyone would hate it so much.

>>2374030
>>2374039
Oh my god are you actually trying to say the archives filtered your topics because of a conspiracy.

>>2374041
no, i'm simply saying archives are unreliable and every single thread is not available on them

saying that there are people who control the archives is not the same as saying "they're specifically fucking removing all my threads!'

i'm saying that it's very foolish to look in the archives for some quake team fortress threads made by an underage little squirt (admitted by him in the OP) and then attribute them to me.

>>2374039
The Doominati are clearly after you.

>>2374030
>>2374039
>>2374046
Are you telling me that 4chan is censoring your posts?

>>2374050
no, i'm saying you're all stupid for not realizing that the archives only accept threads that have a minimum amount of posts

ergo they wouldnt show my threads who die in under 10 posts with people stopping by simply to say "quake is shit" before leaving

i still haven't gotten a solid answer as to why /vr/ hates quake and quake team fortress so much, though.

>>2374039

IT'S A CACONSPIRACY
I BET THE UAC DID THIS

http://www.worldvideogamehalloffame.org/

Doom is in this thing, pls vote for it.

>>2374058
O-oh.
Okay.

>>2374039
>nothing about MrSpooky
...Why do you care? The dude was demodded and mostly spends his time playing fucking League of Legends.

>>2374059

There's a poll at the front page, far right

>>2374063

Oh. Well now I feel dumb.
Thanks, anon.

>>2374053
>no, i'm saying you're all stupid for not realizing that the archives only accept threads that have a minimum amount of posts
>ergo they wouldnt show my threads who die in under 10 posts with people stopping by simply to say "quake is shit" before leaving
https://archive.moe/vr/thread/2373874/
https://archive.moe/vr/thread/2373879/
https://archive.moe/vr/thread/2373857/
https://archive.moe/vr/thread/2373851/
https://archive.moe/vr/thread/2373662/
https://archive.moe/vr/thread/2373542/
https://archive.moe/vr/thread/2373524/
https://archive.moe/vr/thread/2373348/
https://archive.moe/vr/thread/2372886/
https://archive.moe/vr/thread/2372882/
This is all just from the first page of search results with "only opening posts" selected:
https://archive.moe/vr/search/type/op/
>i'm saying you're all stupid
NO U.
The archives are all just bots grabbing threads as they appear without regard for number of replies or content. The only time a human does anything is when they have to delete CP.

back on topic after illuminati derailment, still waiting to hear why everyone hates this glorious masterpiece

>>2373995
/VR/ does not hate quake. Simple as that.

...In other news, Retro Jam 3 for quake has been released. Go grab it here: http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61203

>>2373949
>I looked into those "texture errors" and can't seem to figure out what's actually going on.
>Crispy doom runs it relatively normally, but renders a lot of flats with some pretty bad tutti frutti looking errors. It also has unknown linedef types, so I'm assuming it has some boom-only shit to it.
freedoom maps require boom compatibility, yes.

>In zdoom/gzdoom, the same tutti-frutti flats fail to render at all. I'm not sure they're "missing", per se, but rather, I'm pretty sure it's just another case of the libre software movement being utterly incompetant again. They render (albeit, broken) in one engine, but not at all in another? that smells like a poorly made wad rather than outright missing textures.
both freedoom wads come with the same set of textures, unlike doom where there is some overlap, but, for example, many of the space base textures from Doom1 are missing in Doom2. freedoom made them all available with no messing around.

you seem both highly misinformed and intent on blaming others for errors that you created yourself by separating the maps from the textures.

>Prboom and Prboom+ fail to load the maps at all, which makes sense, given that there are some obviously zdoom-only features in certain maps (specifically, e1m2 has some weird 3d floor + transparancy thing going on. not cool)
this is false, there is no zdoom specific mapping features in freedoom maps. more likely you are seeing visual glitches from missing textures as i explained already. e.g. you're trying to run freedoom e1m2 which uses textures that aren't present in doom.wad.

>right, the purpose is to have an iwad to run pwads that serve as game replacements (megawads, basically). Actually playing the maps without the freetard content doesn't make sense.
no, the purpose as i said already is to make a completely free FPS game based on the GPL doom source code. being able to run other megawads with freedoom is a secondary goal but does not drive the project.

>>2374076
then why does nobody here want to play qtf on a private server to keep normalfags and mudskins out? 64 player MegaTF, at that. I'm not recruiting on fucking reddit or SJW SA, this is the only place I could think of where i'd have a group of other thirty-somethings who want to replay one of the greatest multiplayer games of all time, but instead I get scorn and hatred.

>>2374053
>>2374075

>i still haven't gotten a solid answer as to why /vr/ hates quake and quake team fortress so much, though.

My educated guess is because of assholes being assholes; don't pay attention to them.

>>2374053
you're thinking of that site that archives /b/ that requires threads to be nominated manually for archiving by having users vote for them while they're still in progress.

sites such as archives.moe are automatic and slurp up everything (except in the rare cases a post is deleted within a minute or two of its being posted, in which case the archiver may miss it before it is deleted.) this is possible to do for slower boards (although i am surprised they manage to capture all of /v/ and /a/)

>>2374074
>The archives are all just bots grabbing threads as they appear without regard for number of replies or content. The only time a human does anything is when they have to delete CP.
yeah this
maybe dude is confused with the archives where you vote for threads

>>2374053
>i still haven't gotten a solid answer as to why /vr/ hates quake and quake team fortress so much, though.
you won't get a sane reason for a false premise. if you asked "why does 2+2=5" what do you expect to hear?

>>2374082
i don't want to play with someone who refers to people as mudskins

>>2374108
>wahhh muh racism
why are you on 4chan then?

and do you really want some vine swinging BR with a ping of 800 on the server, ruining it for everyone else? I don't.

>>2374107
still doesn't explain why nobody will join my dedicated qtf server whenever i bring it up, except high ping jungle dwellers who are not welcome

>>2373525
Having done this myself once, they don't look right. Some of the textures are too different from the ones they're replacing.

>>2374114
>why are you on 4chan then?
because i understand that boards are not a single person or a reddit tier hivemind
which you can't do, apparently

>>2374075
>>2374053
probably has to do with how overly hostile you're being

this isn't /v/, there's no need for that shit here

>>2374114
>still doesn't explain why nobody will join my dedicated qtf server whenever i bring it up

i like qtf and am not going to ever set foot in your server.
you seem like a monumental cuntwad and would not be fun to play with.

>>2374120
pretty much
the "start a thread with a loaded question" shit doesn't fly here

>>2374114
dude you seem to be kind of agitated
>nobody plays with me
>Iam a complete jerk

>>2374114
Anybody who wants to play QTF already has a server or two they play on. Nobody who's welcome on a server is looking for new servers.

>>2374116
yes, exactly. that's the point i was trying to make a few posts ago. you can play freedoom's levels with doom's sprites and sounds, but you can't separate the maps from the textures and flats they were made with. it just won't look right.

>>2374126
you won't be setting foot in any servers then, it seems

I try to be the nice guy and revive a dead game by putting up a 64 player dedicated server on a separate machine specifically for QTF, with the most popular mod (MegaTF), and all i get is a bunch of whining and complaining. I guess it's a meme to hate on quake over here. Enjoy your no servers, I suppose.

>>2374138
that seems a bit unfair. what if i were a new player? the community can't be that insular. i suppose you'd have to go on a forum or in some irc channel and say "hi i'm a new player" (and risk the inevitable hazing)

>>2373975
>cheesecake?
fan service. like a pin up. the male equivalent is beefcake.

>>2374141
>you won't be setting foot in any servers then

OH SHIT
HE'S GONNA BLACKLIST US

>>2374141
>i'm trying to be the nice guy

>fucking mudskins and normalfags
>you're all idiots
>you all clearly hate qtf

This ladies and gentlemen is what we call a shitposter.

>>2374153
Stop enabling the German.

>>2374153
It's moreso the fact that there are no more quake team fortress servers that are constantly populated at all hours of the day, or even have people playing on weekends for that matter.

the only one i know of plays the casual style of red attackers, blue defenders, and you get banned if you attack someone's base on blue, for example. this is not how quake is played and it's an utter travesty, so in my mind, there are no real quake team fortress servers that exist anymore. The death of Gamespy killed off the last public ones.

It's really sad when /v/, the board full of tripfags, trolls, and redditors is more apt to playing an almost 20 year old game, than the retro video games board is.

https://archive.moe/_/search/filename/trollcromartie.jpg
https://archive.moe/_/search/tripcode/%214iBVPOLICE/

Looks like we've been had

>>2374163
>enabling the German.

>>2374163
>>2374180

MEIN LEBEN

>>2374108
Why not? Too racist for you?

Hey guys, I have a question concerning the "Redrum/Shining 2" mod for Duke Nukem 3D (already tried google). I have the steam version on my mac but cant figure out how to get the files to run as the readme file instructs.

The instructions say to drop the .GRP and .CON files into the duke folder and then drag the files onto the startup icon. So far I have tried placing the files in the "data" and "maps" folders but nothing happens. I don't see why it shouldn't work but maybe the files are incompatible. Any Ideas?

I'm pretty excited to start playing Doom for the first time ever. Unmodded first playthrough right?

>>2374265

It's best to start playing unmodded Doom 1 and 2 first. Once you're done or have done a sizable chunk of those, then move on to mods.

>>2374265
yeah, unmodded
i'd say try at least E1 without mouselook, but honestly it's a pain

>>2374270
>>2374271
Sounds good, people always say first playthroughs should be vanilla so you can appreciate the game more.

I'll try no mouselook but I'll probably gouge my fingres out

>>2374265
Eh, something like Smooth Doom is just fine imo

>>2374272
by no mouselook he means no Y axis aiming, using the mouse to look around is fine

>>2374273
What's smooth Doom do?

>>2374275
Oh, so you basically have to be on the same level as enemies to shoot them?

>>2374282
>Oh, so you basically have to be on the same level as enemies to shoot them?
no there's a basic form of autoaim. you just look straight at them and if they're at a different height and close enough your guns will shoot upwards automatically.

>>2374282

Nah. In order to accomodate for lack of vertical mouselook, there was autoaim which shoots vertically for you.
Personally I don't like autoaim in any form, but at least for Doom it kind of sort of makes sense.

>>2374284
>>2374287
I see.

Now that you mention it, I do remember playing a bit of Doom on a friend's Xbox360 like 5 years ago. I thought it was fun as shit.

Now I get to play the whole thing.

playing scythe X with weapons of saturn and a gore mod and in the fucking level with the cyberdemon the bars locking the way dont come up after you killed him.
WHY.
I know for a fucking fact after hes ded the bars should come up and let you go through.
what the fuck is wrong with this shite.

>>2374305
BREAKING NEWS: MODS BREAK DEATH TRIGGERS!
NEWS AT 11, DEMONS AT NOW!

This might be a stupid question, but I am trying to co-op Back to Saturn X episode 1 with a buddy and there's multiplayer spawns, in the very first level there is a revenant and a spider mastermind right at the beginning. Is there any way to disable multiplayer monster and weapon spawns? A setting somewhere? I appreciate any help.

>>2374307
Its just a WEAPONS mod for the player only.
It doesnt do absolutely fucking anything to monsters or difficulty levels or spawns.

>>2374313

You just said it's a gore mod. Now it's a weapons mod?

>>2374312

sv_coop_spactorspawn 1, reset map.

>>2374317
Thanks man.

>>2374305
>>2374313
Gore mod is causing the issue anon.

>>2374282
>smooth doom

doubles the number of frames in most of the game's animations (making them appear smoother), and adds a few options for stuff like visually swapping sprites for stuff like doom64 sprites, etc.

it plays kinda like vanilla, but just makes the animations better.

aight /vr/ what map pack should i try out with nazis!?

>>2374351

It was designed with Epic and Epic 2 in mind.

Anyone got a link to that thread where some crappy foreign doom modder posted a bunch of music videos or something from his country for Terminus to see? I thought it was hilarious.

>tried out 200minutesof/vr/ in testing
>want to run through it again
>map balancing is obviously non-existant because speedmaps
>don't want to skip through maps just to progress
>resetting on maps makes many unfinishable
>playing on ITYTD is just insulting
I wish someone would compile the speedmaps into one coherent setup with better map balancing and slap a story on it for funsies

How do I set up DOSbox? I have it opened but where do I find options?

>>2374453
First of all, is there a particular reason you want to use DOSbox? If you want a vanilla experience then the Chocolate Doom sourceport is way, way more practical.

Huh.

All that nazi talk in the thread makes me wonder.
Since every human in HDoom is replaced by a different Imp-tan then Nazis are the same?
I'd love if we got a sexy genetically superior female Nazi soldier instead of another imp with boobs.

>>2374458
Oh. It thought you needed both. My mistake.

Now I just got to figure out how to get Choco Doom to recognize the IWADs

>>2374462
Dragging the iwad onto the .exe should do the trick.

>>2374465
Thanks man, it worked.

>>2374459
Yes, and you when defeat them they call you a schweinhund and probably a bunch of other German swears.

>>2374459
And they're not possessed, so there's no necrophilia/rape thing going on.

Any good megawads for Heretic?

>>2373221
Nah man, playing Vanilla colorful hell is where the true pain is. Ever fought a orange mastermind + 4 elementals (blue, green, purple and normal) in a very small room with no BFG?

>>2374293
me back again

Holy shit this game is addicting. I don't want to play anything else.

>>2374515
Mein labia

Q: Years ago I used to play really trippy total conversions, but now I can't remember the names of them for the life of me and I wanna play it again. What's the weirdest/most uncanny WAD you've played

>>2374603
The Sky May Be

>>2374607
Yeah, that's one, but it ranges on the "hey let's shit on the mapmaker and see what happens" side of the spectrum.

I remember seeing some really weird and introspective stuff, one of them was one where you were a pixel and could fly, and another one that looking like giant floating islands and was really eerie, with little to no enemies iirc.

>Remember, DemonSteele was inspired by Shadow Warrior.

yay, time for revisionist history

>>2374603

mayhem mansion

>>2374621
try harder, shitposter-kun

>>2374645

no need to try when the credits section puts someone else first before shadow warrior (which by the way isn't even the original one)

>>2374649
a mod has more than one inspiration? holy shitttttttt

>>2374653

That's not what I'm trying to say by any means. And you know it.

What's wrong with having multiple inspirations? I mean GMOTA's inspired by Magic Sword, the D&D beat em ups, Ghosts n Goblins, Castlevania, Megaman, and a little bit of Ys too