/vr/ - Retro Games

So, I've been reading bits and pieces of SaGa Frontier Essence lately, there's a lot of interesting stuff.

They even created an alphabet that was unfortunately used only in a few parts of the game, namely some shops, it's amazing how much content never made it in the game.

Romancing SaGa - Minstrel Song is coming to the Japanese PSN.

Another interesting bit of info.

Red was supposed to get different romantic endings with Yuria based on a special Affection parameter.

Also, DSC, known erroneously as Dream Super Combo in the western community actually stands for Dangerous Suplex Combo, which makes much more sense.

>>2336449
Too bad not to western ones. I love that game so much.

>>2337534
Those Red and Yuria chibis are so cuuuuyyyyooooooote :3

>>2337549
They sure are.

>>2337541
Have some faith.

>>2337654
Well, if the Anniversary edition of the new SaGa comes over to the west there are high chances of getting MinSon on PSN too as it should be included in that.

dic

>>2333864
Fuse, Doll, Cotton, Silence and uhhh Ren?
Since when was Ren part of IRPO, did I just forget this entirely

>>2337553
"Gosh what a wonderful day to ride my bike!"
"Oh how strange! Someone is riding carriage in this day and a-"

Are the games in this franchise connected? Or can I start from whichever game I like? (ala Final Fantasy)

>>2341456
It started as a Final Fantasy spinoff series (some enemy sprites are even rehashed) but they are unconnected games.

Where's the translations for Romancing SaGa 1+2 for snes? The ones from emuparadise are incomplete. Only the RS3 has the complete trans.

Thanks to this thread. Another RPG added. Looks comfy. Sugoi !

>>2341465
Still in progress.

RS1 is completely translated and playable, but still needs some bugs fixed:
http://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php/topic,18590.0.html

>>2341443
Did ya play Emelia's opening?

Fuse was pissed at her for "killing one of his best cops"

>>2337553
>>2341454

This is scary if you think about it. As we know, the regions are essentially islands floating in some "ether" the same way "planets" were floating in the 1980's Flash Gordon.

What if you become distracted while riding your bike/car and fail to stop at the edge?

>>2341443
Ren was Fuse literal best bro, he's the last member of IRPO's dream team and according to Fuse's short novel, one of the top elites in IRPO together with the other guys.
>>2343026
Considering you might get run over by vampire rapist overlords, get possessed by sentient sadomaso mask or beaten by interdimensional cops just because I think running to the end of your world is the less that could happen.
But hey, at least you can turn into a legit Super Sentai/Rider if luck's on your side.

Just started SaGa 2 Goddess of Destiny with 2 humans and 2 espers. Should I reroll and bring along a monster and a mech?

>>2343327
What a coincidence, I restarted it yesterday.

Unless you want to see how Mechs and Robots play you're fine, honestly.

Considering you can also go legit GiantDad with all your team members will make most of your game a breeze.

>>2343329
That's what I figured. Thanks. Anything else I should be aware of? I've played through Frontier several times, but none of the others.

>>2343346
Well, compared the original there are quite a few rebalances in the meta, some bosses gained resistances, the most notable one being Ashura, the story is the same.

Compared to Frontier is however a bit archaic in some things, you don't spark techs, there are no LP or TP/JP, instead every weapon or magic/attack run on points, in some cases, like Monsters or Espers' abilities they can be refilled by sleeping in an Inn, weapons/taijutsu points are not restorable unless those weapons/techs are equipped by a mech, in which case their useage counter is halved, EACH TIME YOU EQUIP/UNEQUIP THOSE it's further halved though so be careful when you decide to roll a mech.
Magic is pretty standard and you can see it was still very FF-centric compared to Frontier, it's still the best way to deal with crowds of monsters and compared to later SaGa it is a good mean to deal damage.
Weapons work in the same way the do in Frontier except without techs/waza and they have limited uses, proficiencies are still there and work in the same way.
Races work mostly the same, Humans are good with anything, Espers are basically Mystics except they learn spells AND passive abilities, you can also change Esper type according to how you use them, if you act aggressively they'll change to attack type and learn more offensive magic for instance, mechs work exactly the same, monsters work kinda similar ecept that you can't select your ability set, it changes based on a wide range of factors, some abilities can be inherited by the next form you change to though, you might want to look up a FAQ for those.
Cure Items are actually useful this time around, but the inventory space is limited so keep an eye out for those.
The Muses work like the Gods from MinSon, they'll give you MP of you fight like they want/give them presents and even act as not so random summons.
The Goddesses of Destiny provide you with Threads of Fate which are used in Links, which are basically Frontier's combos.>Cont.

>>2343362
Unlike Frontier it's very easy to make money, and the shops actually have good items that cost quite a lot though.
As you progress in the game you'll get Relics that will give you either Map Abilities or boosts when equipped.
Map abilities are used to either explore environments, such as destroying walls, or nice extras like digging up treasures or see where enemies are in the map, they run on points though, you can restore those points at an Inn when they run out.
You can Chain encounters like MinSon, when two or more enemy avatars are near each other and you begin an encounter, you'll chain them, as such you'll fight ALL those enemies at the same time, which will usually mean a 4/5 party against 20 or more enemies, you'll NEED someone with magic or wide area weapons here or they'll overpower you, note that in dungeons this is very frequent and will tire your characters out pretty fast.
There isn't a BR, so you can grind to your heart's content.

Other than those I think there's nothing you need to know about basic mechanics.
Ashura might be bit tough for the first Story boss you meet so don't worry if he curbstomps you, it's pretty normal, just grind a bit, get good equipment and try again.

Also, go GiantDad once you get to the Giant world if you're having troubles with the game, it makes most of the mid game pretty easy, unless you're fighting against mages/slimes.

>>2343362
>>2343370
Wow, thanks for the info! I really appreciate it.

>>2343372
No problem, that's why these threads are made.

Jesus, there are only a few people that can make you hype by exploring a cave or sewers like Itoken.
One of the things I hate about most modern games is how they try to be "atmospheric" and "suggestive" with their OST, one of the biggest mistakes in games like BloodBorne or Souls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuWpRSv7bl0&list=PLC70FBD76E830D9D9&index=10

Bump for second best RomaSaGa 3 FeMC

So, I think I'll actually play the SaGa 3 Remake this time.
Was it rebalanced like 2?

>>2348995
SaGa 3 remake had a lot of additions (much more than SaGa 2 remake) to make it more like a SaGa game because one of the criticisms leveled towards the original was that it was too "reskinned Final Fantasy"

So I guess the answer to that question is "yes"

>>2333864
are the sequels continuations of one big story or is it like FF?

>>2349221
I see, good to know. The changes in 2 weren't half bad to tinkle with.
>>2349267
All the games are separated and part of their own universe.

Well, I must say the SaGa 3 remake is pretty damn good.
Much better than the original in almost every way so far.

Slow thread this time too.

Guess it's useless to keep making them at this point.

>>2351306
I think we're just waiting for the next translation patch or for Minstrel Song on PSN.

>Suikoden III and Minstrel Song announced for JP PSN
>three days later, Suikoden III announced for EU PSN
>no word on Minstrel Song

This doesn't bode well.

>>2351492
Shame, Minstrel Song is a pretty good game.

>>2343327
AGI build mechs broke the game. They are clearly the strongest, but I am not sure if it's a good character for someone playing the game for the first time.

It's been a while since I've been in one of these.

I've put it off for a while but finally decided to try the DS remakes.

So far both seem pretty good 3 more so but maybe that's because of the total overhaul in it's battle system(Not that I didn't like the original battle mind you)

But uh yeah overall pretty impressed so far.

>>2353841
how different is it? does it have the weapon durability like SaGa 2 or is there tech's and stuff from other games in the series?

>>2354270
It's both Saga 3's remake has both weapon durability and techs.

Higher techs means more durability used up.

>>2351492
SaGa isn't big in the west, if you even get SaGa 2015 they MIGHT bring the anniversary edition and so MinSon to PSN.
>>2352819
>AGI build mechs broke the game.
Yeah, 4 mechs with AGI builds can even steamroll the game with almost no Links whatsoever, but mechs have always been broken if you had the patience to farm enough cash to gear them well.
>>2353841
3R has a lot more things that I like more than 2R, like the fact that combos are not hampered by Threads of Fate and are much rebalanced, sparking techs and better stat growth, but there's still something in 2...I can't really tell what it is exactly, it feels more like a grand adventure even though it has much less plot setting than 3, must be the different worlds or the "gods", I still like it more even in the remakes though 3R is overall superior.
And it still can't beat 2's music.

So, did anyone bother getting to the damage cap in any of the games without combo systems?

>>2333864
Final Fantasy Legend was both my first gameboy game and my first RPG (besides rogue, but that doesn't really count). I played it so much the first day I got it that when I tried to sleep all I could see were the sprites and all I could hear was that haunting theme song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHjWm1hEmn8

I came to compare every RPG to that game and sadly very few really stacked up to the amount of freedom you had in what kind of party to make. Having a monster constantly able to change forms was amazing as well. I found FFI when I finally got it, quite boring by comparison.

Also, the ending of that game! You finally reach the top of the tower and there's God congratulating you for overcoming his challenge, but you think the whole thing was such a dick move that you just murder him.

>>2358282
Considering how SaGa II adds more info on Gods it makes you really think.

At the end of the day SaGa's God/Creator might have just been another chump like Venus or Apollo since apparently the worlds in SaGa are connected in some way if you go DEEPEST LORE.
It doesn't help that you can kill him with a fucking chainsaw even if he can tank a literal nuke.

Who's up for some Concept Art

FOR GREAT JUSTICE

You know, Shuzer was a pretty cool guy before he got turned into a mecha wolverine.

Why is Romancing SaGa music so good? Makes me wanna go on a treasure hunt.

>>2359751
Thank Itoken for that. He's one of the few people who always make song that makes you wanna go on a crazy adventure even when you're in the sewers.

Dr Klein is always one smooth motherfucker in his artworks.

Obligatory Asellus

Which game is the true final boss in the Bokuno/aabeta hacks from? Saiva was it?

I didn't put much time in the patches so I can't tell.

A bit late but resuming dump, I've been busier than I've thought.

Leonard sure changed a lot.

Fei-On too

And we're done with Kobayashi's concept art.
Funny how the SaGa designs for the DS remakes were done by another Kobayashi.

>>2359787
http://saga.wikia.com/wiki/Saiva

What's the best GB Saga to get? How connected are they, are they like other FF games where you can play any in any order?

>>2365184
Pretty sure none of the games in the series are direct sequels, so go ahead. Never played any og the GB games myself, but I'd think starting with 1 is the best idea. 3 is supposed to be more like the FF games, so you can also play that one if you want a starting point that plays more like a game that you're more used to.

>>2365304
My concern is that the first one will suffer from the plague of tiny, nondetailed characters on a plain white backdrop that so many early GB games have. Plus I've heard one of the FF spinoffs is like Zelda, and I already own LA so I see no reason to get another.

>>2365318
For your first point, it didn't seem that bad when I looked at it, and there's a Wonderswan color remake that looks good, but I'm not sure if there's an english patch for it. Here's a nice video for an example https://youtu.be/l-WTLCRwsZk

Also, you might be thinking of Crystal Chronicles. You should also check out the first one of that series since it's pretty great, especially the multiplayer even if it's sort of wack trying to get it to work since it requires using the gameboy advance to control characters in multiplayer. It's still pretty fun in singleplayer, though, just not as good.

>>2359820
>dat center fuse

>>2365184
Final Fantasy Legend 2. No SaGa game is linked to one another, they are all separate stories just like Final Fantasy.

>>2365318
>Plus I've heard one of the FF spinoffs is like Zelda
I'm super late to this but you're thinking of Final Fantasy Adventure.

Which is really a mana game with the FF name like well the SaGa games but they have nothing to do with each other besides that like at all.

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>>2365375
Kuhrayzee Fuse is love

So, I've been playing quite a few old JRPGs lately, but I've been thinking, is the first SaGa the game that made non humanoid party members popular in the genre?
The only game that I recall having something similar is Phantasy Star, even Shining Force came later.
Also, how about Robots?

Thread is dead, again.
Well, time for the threadly reminder.
I've also just realized that Rocbouquet is a different take on Venus from SaGa 2, they share a lot of traits.

I've been wondering after listening to the wayfarer album is what is the first song Overture reference too, since it doesn't seem to sound anything from Saga 1, more similar to the SaGa Frontier opening.

>>2373284
It's Romancing SaGa's Overture, don't know why they wrote SaGa 1 in the song's title.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mce7ubihcWg

http://gematsu.com/2015/04/imeprial-saga-browser-game-debut-trailer

>>2375194
>browser game

Every single time.
It looks passable, though.

>>2375194
So, they really did what the JP modders did years before them but with filters and flash animations.

As long as it doesn't have pay2win bullshit I'll play it though.

>Claudia's cut-in doesn't have Kobayashi's art

I admit that triggered me a bit.

>>2375208
>>2375203
Yeah, Imperial is basically a browser game version of aabeta and bokuno. I hope its good.

>>2375194
>those moving sprites

Neat. At least it shows a little more effort than what they did with the FF smartphone remakes.

>>2375284
It really depends on how they're gonna handle most of the basic stuff, RomaSaGa and Frontier's Cast come from a game with non fixed stats so they'll have to work on it to make them balanced, unless of course Imperial will work with growing Stats, in that case that will screw up RomaSaGa2/3 and Frontier 2 cast.

It will be a tough cookie and there will be the usual problems of certain characters being much better than other at certain things but I trust they'll make it playable at the very least, formations and formation techs/magic seem to be in the game too so there will be a lot of stuff to tinker with, no doubt about that.
I'm happy it's gonna be single player though.

>>2375392
They'll probably make the main characters better than everyone else along with the mandatory girl who's good at everything for no reason.

I hope that melee and magic are balanced instead of the usual, only use magic for buffs and early game thing. And they don't do Unlimited's mess.

>>2375434
>They'll probably make the main characters better than everyone else along with the mandatory girl who's good at everything for no reason.

I doubt that, even in their original games a lot of mains weren't really that good, Aisha or Sarah come to mind.
What's interesting is that I saw Leon being a party member and Philippe and Lesley being among other playable characters in the Frontier 2 slide.
Sounds like we're getting quite a lot of shenanigans already.

>>2375458
Leon was playable for a bit in RS2 so that isn't too surprising.

>>2375464
Point is he might end up being a permanent party member with a bit of luck, unless they're going to play the RomaSaGa 2 plot straight, I sure hope he does personally.
It also looks the new MC isn't a fixed party member, which is nice.

Well, we'll just have to wait and see how this turns out, looks decent so far except the incoherent art cut-ins for characters.

>>2371504
Do it for her.avi

>>2371504
>they share a lot of traits.
I guess.

I actually like Rocbouquet though Venus is just an likeable bitch I know that's the idea but still.

>>2378327
>likeable
*Unlikeable.

>>2378327
There really isn't anything likeable about either of them.

>>2380189
I'm aware.

Still like Rocbouquet more however Venus is a lying crazy bitch like almost all new gods anyway.

>>2358369
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/if6ava/comedy-central-presents-video-games
Related. I think watching this lady's show is what inspired me to pick the game up.

>>2380961
She was on Conan recently and part of her material is still about video games.

>>2378327
Just think of their moveset, both have the same Temptation skill albeit one confuses and the other one charms, both use Thunder magics and one weapon attack.

Character wise, both want people to adore them, well, maybe Rocbouquet doesn't really care much at the end of the day.
Venus was more of an all around egothistic bitch while Rocbouquet was more balanced as she was in love with Wagnas and did a lot of stuff out of love for him, just like Noel.
>>2380189
Rocbouquet, like all the Seven Heroes is a tragic figure though, there's a good reason why she acts that way, Venus is just a bitch with a huge ego.

>Last page
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Also, I just realized....
How many girls will go gay for Asellus in Imperial SaGa?

>>2384823
Hopefully all of them and she gets a harem ending. I can't remember if all girls were attracted to her or only vampire mystics.

>>2386330
>I can't remember if all girls were attracted to her or only vampire mystics.
She attracts anything that belongs to the female gender due to Orlouge's blood, if I'm not mistaken even Princess Rei who grew up to be a rather powerful mystic comments on her charms, as well as Emilia.
Though the only canon gay girls for her are Gina and White Rose.
So yeah, I guess we can expect lots of fanservice.

Maybe we'll even get some neat features like Emperor's SaGa where certain characters get special dialogues, like making an all pirate squad with Hawke, hopefully Silver, Guella, Enrique and Black, or having Neidhart, Gerard, Mikhail, Gustave and Kelvin, that would be a nice touch.

>>2386391
I look forward to Emperor's SaGa's release but I'm still cautious for it being a f2p web browser game. I could be wrong but I also don't think there were any characters from the gameboy games or unlimited.

>>2388384
That's Imperial SaGa you're talking about, Emperor's is the mobile Card Game.
And yeah, it doesn't have SaGa or Unlimited characters, I think that's mostly because the systems are too different, and except SaGa 3 the other two games don't even have a definite cast you could throw in, maybe they'll add Ashura and co. as Cameo battles, but I don't think we'll ever get playable characters.

>>2388403
shame, I thought since they were in the RS3 hacks that Square would figure out a way to add them in too.

What is the status of Romancing SaGa 1's translation?

in b4 someone says it: I'm aware of the remake for PS2 but for some reason I have always wanted to play the SNES one.

>>2389864
it's done when it's done :^)
translation status don't really mean anything as I've seen quite a couple projects dying at about 90% completion before

>>2389813
>I thought since they were in the RS3 hacks that Square would figure out a way to add them in too.
Maybe they'll add Unlimited in the future, also because Henry could be another good royal to have around since the game has a nobleman as protagonist, but as aI said before, GB SaGa characters would not get in easily. A pity, but it's better than nothing.
>>2389864
>What is the status of Romancing SaGa 1's translation?
Seems like even though it has been not completed yet the game is playable, a few anons in the thread have played it already.
Romancing SaGa 2 though, good luck waiting for Gideon to ever finish it.

You didn't forget guys, did you?

>>2384823
I'm already lesbian for Asellus.

Anyone wanna give me some tips with saga frontier so I don't get my shit stomped all the time?

>>2390675
Which quest are you on?

>>2390689
I'm just starting out really, I'm trying to fill the tarot cards for arcane magic with blue and I have a full team and that but I just get shitstomped by enemies all the time. The stupid triceratops has everyone drunk and just one shots my people. If blue doesn't get all fucked up I just use implosion and am good but I literally can't make it to the shrine back there.

>>2390694
>The stupid triceratops has everyone drunk and just one shots my people.
>Grail card quest
Ahhh that explains everything, the Grail Card is one of the trickiest quest in the game because of that drunk effect, it's pretty hard for everyone unless you know how to exploit the game and the later you do it the harder it becomes due to BR scaling enemies' types, the only safe way to not get your shit stomped too much is using an all mech team as they're the only one immune to that Drunk gimmick, and even then if you're at higher BR chances are you get a Kraken or two and get curbstomped by Maelstrom/Tentacle spam anyway.

Well, first things first, the stronger you get the stronger the enemies get, so since this is your first run in the game try to avoid grinding, certain bosses slap your shit anyway no matter how high or geared you are.
Your priorities should be sparking techs, learning good magics and getting good gear.
Now since you're on Blue's quest magic is not a problem since that's your main goal for 90% of his quest, I suggest you give him spells like Red Sands, Implosion, Psychic Prison is a must for a few key battles so keep it, maybe some light and shadow magic depending on our style and most importantly the Stasis Rune and Overdrive.
You'll get Overdrive after fighting Time Lord, Psychic Prison is a must here, DO NOT fight Time Lord without it or he'll go ZA WARUDO on your ass.
I'd suggest you to read some of the faqs I linked in the pastebin as it would get very long for me to explain all the things you should do in the meta, but to keep it short, Swords and Guns should be your main methods of inflicting damage, Magic is mainly for shenanigans in SaGa though the tarot's Tower spell in SF is known to be extremely devastating.
What you can do to cheese the game if you still find it too hard is using the Glirandly trick, there are tons of topics on Gamefaqs about that that will explain it better than I'll ever do in these posts.

>>2390706
Thanks man, being it my first time playing it I'm just trying to find the best way to enjoy the game and understand it.

>>2390729
No problem Anon, these threads are made to help newcomers like you.
SaGa is a bit hard when you get into it because everything works differently from the average JRPG, it's normal to feel lost and get your ass kicked, but we're here to help.

Should I play Romancing Saga 3 before I try things out like aabeta and the other mods?

>>2393064
Playing it translated before trying out the hacks will give you an idea on the plot and how to trigger/complete some of the quests. aabeta and bokuno add more quests or modify original ones.
http://pastebin.com/QeD1BR5q tells you things that you can miss out on in the hacks, and
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3D8491527194907C
(aabeta)
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlyjSLv9ootL_85-ShNmqi9OmF_gHferr
(bokuno)
Are videos for all the quests and new stuff for each hack. If you follow these, you could probably skip playing RS3 though.

>>2390706
I might be wrong but I don't think Mecs actually gain Drunk immunity - it's just that T260G has a special version of that quest as an MC.

I really hate doing the longer magic quests and it's not really worth it anyway but I guess Blue has to do one of them and if you're going to do Grail, you got to save/load a lot and tackle that quest VERY early while the monsters are still weak.

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>>2393064
I'd suggest you do so, the patches add more content and mechanics on top of the preexisting ones so it's better to have a general idea of where to go and how the game works.
>>2394349
I'm fairly sure all mechs are immune to drunk status in every quest, but if you say so I'd go double check to be sure when I'll have some time.
Better be safe than sorry.

>>2333864
I speak japanese and english. I'm looking to contribute to a project as a reflection of my English speaking skills. I'll use it as a translation reference. Where should I start?

>>2396608
Wait Anon, what are you talking about?

>>2396614
I want to translate Japanese game.

>>2396615
Well, I guess if you really want to, Romancing SaGa 2 is the one people would need the most, though most of the other games are in need of a retranslation.
By the by, do you intend to just make a text file or romhacking?

>>2396618
Only translation. I want to contribute but my programming knowledge isn't the best.

>>2396623
Hm, I'd like to say you're welcome but you know that most people hardly play games with translation sheets, well, maybe some people here do but what I want to say is that you're going to work on something that will be ignored by the majority of people.
Unless you can find someone who can hack a Rom with your text I wouldn't really suggest you to do that if you're only looking for a way to get feedback on your english skills.

>>2396623
Just kidding... What does Romancing SaGa need done? I'm bilingual but drunk and bored. I need a project I can get into. C++, java, python, j2ee... Where can I sharpen my programming craft. I'll figure it out.

>>2396632
I'm certain I could contribute to something.

>>2396637
Provided I can put a link on my resume... I need a real project. Not nonsense.

>>2396639
I'm paid for how quickly I can learn.

>>2396639
>Provided I can put a link on my resume
Does translating a rom of a SFC game even count as something where you are?

>>2396643
Street cred. Emulation is a hobby. I'm working a 35hr/week programming job atm. Whatever I can do to sell my brand.

I need credible recognition for my contributions. GitHub... Something I can take a link and point to.

Allow me to rephrase. What is an actual project in need of credible support?

>>2396657
>>2396662
>Street cred.
Hm, oh well, as long as you don't expect anything more than that, but I must stress this again, don't expect much out of this, you'd be better off translating some more recent games, both DS and PSP have tons of titles that you could translate and get much more attention for than a SaGa title on SFC, Frontier Gate or any Summon Night for instance.

SaGa is super niche in the west and won't really get you much attention.
>>2396665
Well, there are a lot, I shouldn't really say this but if you can somehow create some competition in the Rom translation scene, like getting Gideon Zhi off his lazy ass to actually release shit at a decent pace, I think you'd get some recognition, though the only way to do that would be having someone who can code well enough and have some time on your hand.

as I said before, the most awaited release in these threads is Romancing SaGa 2, but it would be wise to make a general thread on /vr/ and ask which JP title people would like to play, the Tengai Makyou series is also sought after by a few people here.

>>2396665
As mentioned before translation of Romancing Saga 2 is something that's free to do. There's also the RS3 hacks, but the team that's doing the retranslation of RS3 may also do the hacks but its not set

>>2396669
>>2396671
I don't expect anything. Just recognition for a job completed. If I can prove a contribution I won't look lazy. My latest job has nothing to do with actual work. I love retro games and need to find a home. Something to prove I'm not lazy. A job is a job. A passion shines through.

I've always wondered, just what is the Hyper weapon? Also, is the Nuke the best single use weapon in the first three games?

>SaGa Frontier 2
>all those deaths

What a depressing game, man.
I think the one that hit me the hardest was [/spoiler]Kelvin's - "Two years later, in the year 1292, the Anima of Kelvin, Count of Jade, leaves his body for the eternal plains. He is 71. His life has been one long,
grueling battle."[/spoiler]. Gustave was a very close second, though. Very unexpected, too.

>SaGa Frontier 2
>all those deaths

What a depressing game, man.
I think the one that hit me the hardest was Kelvin's - "Two years later, in the year 1292, the Anima of Kelvin, Count of Jade, leaves his body for the eternal plains. He is 71. His life has been one long,
grueling battle.". Gustave was a very close second, though. Very unexpected, too.

>SaGa Frontier 2
>all those deaths

What a depressing game, man.
I think the one that hit me the hardest was Kelvin's - "Two years later, in the year 1292, the Anima of Kelvin, Count of Jade, leaves his body for the eternal plains. He is 71. His life has been one long, grueling battle.". Gustave was a very close second, though. Very unexpected, too.

>>2397180
Hyper is known as the Wave Cannon. (Satellite cannon). It will kill all enemies except bosses.

>>2397325
Gustave
Kelvin
Not Rich

The other one didn't happen ITS NOT CANON SHUT UP IT DIDNT HAPPEN

best waifu doesn't die ;_;

>>2397413
Too bad his sacrifice in vain. Or so I think (I'm still playing the game).
Right now a certain 85 year old man joined me. His stats took a severe hit, but he's not leaving my main party (please don't die...).

>>2397434
Is it Joseph Joestar

>>2397180
Hyper weapon is>>2397376
The nuke is a one hit heavy hitter but since you can only use it one time I guess your best option would be Arsenal/Last Defense System, even though you should already have the Excalibur at that point so the nuke is kinda pointless and a waste of slots...
>>2397325
>What a depressing game, man.
Hits hard doesn't it?
Johan's death was also right in the feels
Not to mention all your first gen bros like Tyler or Narcisse
>>2397413
>ITS NOT CANON SHUT UP IT DIDNT HAPPEN
Achschually it is, Cody dies in the novel after a grueling torture session, it's literally the first Anima Wil feels when he dies
Fucking Alexei.
>>2397589
Wil is more Johnathan, Rich is supposed to be Jotaro and Ginny is Jolyne.

So reading the pastebin there are games across SNES, GB, PS1, PS2. What's the best order to play the games in if I intend to play all of the series?

>>2398427
Well, the community agrees on the GB SaGa or SaGa Frontier as the games best suited for beginners.

What I would personally suggest you to play though it's the first GB SaGa, there's a quite nice Wonderswan Port with a translation patch if you can't stand GB graphics.
It's a classic and will give you a very nice introduction to the series, from that you should continue on with the other two titles as they elaborate on the first one quite a bit, the DS remakes also add a few mechanics that will be introduced in the successive games, like Combos and Sparking, they're quite nice and again, if you feel the GB version to be too dated just play the DS remakes.
Once you finished with those Frontier is the next stop, though technically you should play the SNES trilogy first, but those games can be a bit hard to get into as the difficulty is all around higher compared to Frontier and there are less tricks you can use, but that's your call anyway.
After you finish with Frontier you should have a solid grasp of most fundamental mechanics so you can play the other games without worries, be warned that Romancing SaGa 2 is quite possibly the second hardest game in the series after Unlimited.
Oh, and do not underestimate Frontier, it might be the easiest title to get into but it still has tons of stuff that will rape beginners.

Come by if you have any question about the games, they're a bit hard to get into because of the lack of any tutorials or info, even the manuals don't really tell you all the stuff, but that's part of the adventure, finding out stuff on your own is a big part of the SaGa series.

>>2398434
Thanks for taking the time to type that out.

I think the order I'll stick with will be:

GB SaGa 1, 2, 3
Frontier 1, 2
Romancing SaGa 1, 2, 3
PS2/Others (Not too sure about what to play from here)

>>2398447
I'd suggest you to put Romancing SaGa 2 last in your SNES order, it really is a bit too tough, lots of fun if you like non linear JRPG with job system/classes.

On PS2 there's Minstrel Song, which is a full Remake of the first Romancing SaGa, lots of stuff changed and there are a hell of a lot more mechanics added and tons of stuff to do, great music as well.
Unlimited is the black sheep of the series as it let go of a lot of conventions for a more tabletop-like gameplay and even more complexity in general mechanics, it's a great game if you have time and energies to invest into it, but it's definitely not for everyone, a lot of unusual mechanics like HP working differently form any other game and extreme focus on micro and macro management makes it really, really hard to get into, if you do though you'll burn hundreds of hours into it, think of it as the Wizardry 4 of SaGa, great game, but with a big "PLEBS&CASUALS KEEP OUT" stamp on it.
Also, here's a little Webm from Minstrel Song for you.

>>2398454
Ok will do, though I'm super hyped to play Unlimited now.

>>2398540
>though I'm super hyped to play Unlimited now.
Oh boy, this won't end well.

Unlimited is really complicated even for good SaGa players Anon, you might end up hating the games if you go into it without a whole lot of mental preparation and training to the series' mechanics.

Though I do praise your courage.

>>2397413
Yeah, I managed to keep her alive but...the game completely forgot about her after that event. Well, except for her appearance in the kitchen, in Rich's generation.
SaGa Frontier 2 really feels unfinished sometimes.

>>2398552
>SaGa Frontier 2 really feels unfinished sometimes.
There's lots of stuff that never made it in the game unfortunately, I still cry over those extra Johan chapters that were put in the novel but not in the game.
Still an awesome game with really heartrending moments though, like pic related.

Thread is dead
post lewd

>>2400721
>grinding for high level skills in RS3
>not paying attention til I hear the spark sound
>new waza is evade legsweep and the like

>>2402006
Eh, that reminds me.
>Try to force spark Barehand Catch for the Triple sword against the Giant with Katarina
>Sparked it, but in critical condition, half of the party is dead
>Giant keeps attacking other people and ignores Katarina

Why is RS3's translation so terrible?

>>2402935
Because it was made by a bunch of hacks, unfortunately.

So much for those who say that fanmade translations are better than official ones...

Why was Taro so based in FFL2? He had some of the most amazing lines ever in video games like "I have come to take your life away." When he said that to the Sho-Gun.

>>2404349
Samurai are generally cool guys in SaGa.
With the exception of Yan Fan maybe, he was pretty lame, but at least both Sekishusei and Gen are pretty damn cool..

>>2375194
Based Guella returns!

>>2404632
>Heads up everyone!

/r/ing a tierlist of all the Saga games

>>2404729
Based on what?

>>2404734
From best to worst game

>>2404779
No such thing, sorry.
Each game has it's own pros and cons, and they are all so different from each other it's frankly useless to compare them.

if anything I can give you my tier based on personal taste.

SaGa2>SaGa>SaGa3
SaGa2 DS>SaGa3 DS
Romancing SaGa2>Romancing SaGa3>Romancing SaGa
SaGa Frontier=SaGa Frontier2
Unlimited: SaGa=Romancing SaGa: Minstrel Song

w..w.What is this thread? SF on PS1 is my favorite game of all time..

Are we doing a general now?

>>2406252
yeah,but the generals are pretty slow with the last one lasting a month. SF is my favorite too since that's how I heard of SaGa.

Since RS2s untranslated how hard is it to understand and play?

Quick question about The Emperor and The Empress from Romancing SaGa 2.
Do you guys know if they have canon names?

>>2408157
There's a menu translation patch although it makes the rest of the game turn into Cavespeak which is annoying.

Outside of that, there's a really detailed FAQ written for the game so if you don't mind following it, it's perfectly playable. If you insist on playing the game "pure" and don't know Japanese though then I think you're going to run into issues.

Of course this is strictly speaking from a "language reading" perspective. Mechanics wise the game will probably still kick your ass.

>>2406252
We've been doing general since a few months Anon.
>>2408157
There is very little moonspeak in the game if that's what you're worried about, the guides in the pastebin will help you play through it smoothly, the problem is the game's mechanics and difficulty, if you want though I can give you a short synopsis of the story though.
>>2409307
No Canon names, they're really only referred to as Last Emperor/Empress even in the art books.

>>2409307
They have some names in rs3 hack

How does one play SaGa Frontier without wanting to kill themselves? It's the only game in my PS1 collection that I haven't completed. I've tried like 5 times, but after like two hours I just can't stand it anymore.

>>2411723
what's the problem? If it's figuring out objectives some scenarios are easier than others. I think Red or Emelia have a good story and are clearer on what to do.

>>2411995
It's boring.

>>2412159
Then don't play it, it's just that simple.
Maybe multiple scenarios just aren't your thing, what's the boring part for you?

looks like they're making model trains after the real ones for the SaGa/Saga prefecture event this year.

>>2415475
Uh, they're going all out with the merchandise.
Well, it's the 25th anniversary after all.

So, out of curiosity I decided to count all the Battle Themes in the series, if I didn't make some mistake there's a grand total of 66 Battle Themes, not counting the remakes of previous ones.

Pretty impressive number.

Woah, page 9?
That's not cool man.

I've been thinking, how about I make a little playthrough of RomaSaGa2 for those guys who are a bit skeptic about the game?
It's a bit of a shame that it's still in translation limbo and maybe making a little walkthrough while pointing out nice stuff to do in the game would break the ice a bit?

>>2417920
Why is Romancing SaGa 2 untranslated? It's a Square game, after all. Is there really no interest?

>>2417939
>Why is Romancing SaGa 2 untranslated?
Beats me, especially when there's actually so little text to translate.
>Is there really no interest?
It's actually the most awaited release in these threads, but considering Gideon is working on it people won't see it in years.

>>2398389
tbh it just seems really out of character for will to rely on cody for that instead of narcisse, I just can't think of why he would.

>>2418065
Cody is rather dependable so I wouldn't see why he could have problems with sending her to get informations, I personally thought it would be a good idea to send Tyler for that, but it all boils down to the fact that you're supposed to play as Wil so you can have a degree of freedom in what you do.

Gerard in Romancing SaGa 2 can also be a real asshole if you choose to, even if it's not really in his character, same with most playable characters in SaGa, you can also do the contrary, Grey is supposed to be kind of an asshole but you can make him a good guy if you want to.
I mean, it's all freedom of choice in how you can develop certain characters and shape their stories, it's not bad at all in my eyes, though I admit there are a few problems but the only way to make certain choices more plausible would be to have "empty" characters with no personality at all.

I feel like I'm very close to the end of SF2.

>>2418879
prepare your anus then

>>2418879
Oh boy, gotta prepare for some boss rush Anon.
Don't you let Wil die, I'll fucking haunt you if you do.

>>2333864
Please tell me someone else noticed this clown face on the Manhattan region ship. Always bugged me as a kid. Didn't seem to have any reason to be there.

>>2420062
I...don't see it Anon.
I can't even get what part of the Doramos that is supposed to be though.

>>2420091
This abomination I whipped up in paint might help. Or blind you.

>>2420137
Ok...now I definitely see it.
You've got some interesting imagination Anon.

Is it wrong for me to think that the Half-Mystic ending from Asellus' story is the worst one and came off as some Twilight love story with Gina being the center of attention for some stupid reason? Shit like this scene annoys me tremendously and they never even build up Gina's background other than that she has the hot for Asellus.

>>2420137
now i can't un-see it
thanks, you fuck

>>2421338
The difference was whether you wanted to be a dom or a sub as a lesbian.

Pure Mystic ending a best

>>2421456
Going full human or full mystic is the best and the full mystic seem to be less ass pull when it comes to Gina.

>>2369862
Wouldn't Shin Megami Tensei hold that honor?

I'm playing through the aabeta and trying to do Asellus's even quest. The bartender in Zweig doesn't have the dialogue in the rumor choice, is there something I did wrong? I also did the Dream quest after I started the Asellus one, thought you could only get one dream gem out of it.

>>2422262
I remember someone talking about a specific quest chain that actually required that you utilize a certain "bug" to take a dream gem out of the dream and use later. (send it to storage while still inside the dungeon)

I think it was actually part of Asellus' quest chain too so

have fun restarting!

>>2422271
I did do that, and if the google translate is correct those two things at the bottom is dream jewel. I had it equipped on one character and the other sent to storage.

>>2422262
Is Sheryl still in Zweig?

Wut dis iz? I wan taik books tuh muh trybe.

>>2422282
yeah behind the counter still if I recall.

>>2422294
Have you visited Adyllis?
also
>fighting lion
Don't, if you need to rest, go to Ake or Kidlant

>>2422290
kek
You know you're white or asian when you can't manage to incorrectly spell all the words despite trying.

>>2422307
I mean this, poet must be here

>>2422307
No I haven't done that yet.

>>2422294
Hey, isn't that one of the bosses from Assellus' chapter?

>>2422318
Yes; aabeta hack has characters, enemies, and music from all the SaGa games

well I guess I screwed myself. Switching main characters to a lower max health one won't let trigger the quest again.

>>2422330
I don't think you can beat Saruin minion so yeah

>>2422376
Turns out I missed this part in the gon quest. I assumed it was like the original and immediately left the castle when I got gon.

help me SaGa general I stopped playing for a while and I completely forgot what my plan was or if I even had one

I think I was thinking Fire Magic+Lightweight Kick and Throw. That's a Seal Gun panel in the middle if you can't tell.

I mostly can't decide exactly how to situate the two Fortune tellers, two melee panels, and Magic Blender/Tablets.

I was sort of thinking of putting a tablet/dumpslot on MR, with Blender on TR and Kick/Throw on TL and ML

Fortune lvl 5 on BL and lvl 4 on BR with some luck

is that, probably good?

help :c

>>2423903
>mfw trying to understand this post
I'll learn how to play unlimited sooner or later.

>>2423903
>Implying I read guides
>Implying I didn't just haphazardly put skills down and hope for stat increases.
Looks like you can really punch a fool though.

>>2423903
Also dump your previous plan and start dropping some ax panels because everyone loves axes. Everyone.

>>2398540
>>2398548

You might want to watch this before playing Unlimited.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1brcx4bDoFY

>>2397434

Well, you might as well load him up with a butt load of Quells, 'cause honestly? The older one is, the more they take a hit to stamina regeneration. Load yourself up with quells, and your MP regeneration goes up. Or was it the amount of max mp? I honestly forget. Still, the older generation best serve as mages, if only because of how restricting their stamina is now. Unless you're Gustave. Then you die offscreen, but possibly taking over 9000 monsters with you, and making a skull throne to lie down and die on from their corpses.

>>2424205
naw axes are boring, who wants to spam reverse delta all day long

I tend to stick with one axe user per play-through, I hate doubling up

>>2423903
Jesus man, that's one hell of a mess you made there.
>>Implying I didn't just haphazardly put skills down and hope for stat increases.
Yeah, it shows.

I mean, I guess you wanted to make Ruby a muscle wizard or something but remember that she is a lightweight character oriented for magic and speed, she isn't going to be superduper strong like Musol Yani unless you bother sparking all the top tier waza.
What>>2424205 says it's true, axes are universally easy to fit in all characters and hit like a truck, there's even a general Axe setup that goes well for nearly all characters, except maybe Anzam, but he's kind of a weird character anyway.
If you don't like axes consider specializing Ruby in daggers, she's kinda good with those due to her panel layout so she can become a good thief mage or something, daggers also have some quite nifty effects that would be very good for lightweight, speedy characters like her, regarding magic, I guess Fire and Metal could be a good choice for her though I don't remember exactly how her panel layout is so I might be wrong.
Also, are you on her quest? 'cause if you are you don't really need to bother making her extremely strong since you have Iskandar and Grace anyway, those two will probably BTFO of everything without even an optimal setup, well, maybe Grace does need some careful planning but she's so strong once you get her in gear...
Check the Panel FAQ if you still have doubts, it's really super detailed and will help you a lot.

>>2426246
>Daggers on a character with an actual 1 for skill growth

nigga u srs

I'm gonna make her a fire mage, and it really isn't that much of a mess. That level 4 axe panel is just a random panel dump. Seal panel actually boosts all her stats a lot without sacrificing much element. Magic Tablets and Blender take a while to get rolling no matter what you do.

I already have Hiro on Axes (because his stats are actually good for it) and Iskendar on Swords/Water magic and Sapphire as a perfectly good thief.

also:
>>Implying I didn't just haphazardly put skills down and hope for stat increases.
>Yeah, it shows.
that wasn't even in my post, that was a completely different guy responding to my post

>>2426389
I checked Ruby's panel.
I take back what I've said, I was confusing her panel with Sapphire's, guess my alzheimer's worse than I've thought.
>Magic Tablets and Blender take a while to get rolling no matter what you do.
Well, you can grind Tablets rather easily in the Deities' Table iirc, those Mirror Shards enemies have a high chance of dropping a tablet, the Mural Paintings side quest also has some nice Tablet drops but you can't abuse unlimited turns and Tetraforce like any Seven Wonder quest, Magic Blender will have to wait though.
>that wasn't even in my post, that was a completely different guy responding to my post
My apologies, those MA panels misguided me.

>>2426429
MA and Axe panels are the best panels for increasing ability scores, unless you get lucky with high level Iron Body or something.

>>2426438
>unless you get lucky with high level Iron Body or something.
Eh, good luck getting one of those easily outside of endgame quests though.
And it's not like you even need it that much anyway, I'll take a Magic Blender, MAster Magician or Forbidden Magic over Iron Body any day, unless I felt the need of making a super tank build for Anzam.

>>2426454
>Forbidden Magic
Forbidden Arts, my bad.

Really need to get back in the game, so much stuff I forgot, yet I still haven't forgot how much Edgelord kicked my ass on my first playthrough

>>2426456
it's all good man. I'm making a Damascus sword for Isky right now. shit's all gravy.

>>2426473
>I'm making a Damascus sword for Isky right now.
>Iskandar's fw

[Vandalize intensifies]

>>2343370

>Also, go GiantDad once you get to the Giant world

Could you elaborate, please? I don't recall there being any +5 Chaos Zweihanders in SaGa 2.

>>2428412
Equip on your Humans/Espers a full Giant set+Zweihander or any weapon based on STR.
You'll destroy anything up until Venus' world where the set slightly begins to lose its advantages, really, you can hit for around 300/400HP and nothing except Magic or slimes will ever damage you.
It was common knowledge back in the days too, the Giant set is legendary in SaGa 2.

>>2428572

Thanks, it'd just been a while since I haven't played the game in about 18 years or so.

>>2428804
Don't worry bud, we're all senile old codgers here.

Woah

Always wanted to get into this series but I don't know where to start. Any recommendations?

>>2429632
Saga Frontier or Romancing Saga 3

>>2429578
>Guadagnini's Tablet

Holey shiet, which quest were you on Anon?

>>2430665
second of Ruby's seven wonders

literally the very next one after getting Anzan.

At first I wasn't really sure about my rock-bro, but now he has Raksha and is mastering hells of magic and shit. Dude is based and he locks in every combo by being slow as fuck, Roy can suck a dick.

>>2430678
>Roy can suck a dick.
B...but my zero weight...

Well, Anzan is a bit tricky to nurture but he has quite a few advantages as a pure tank and given his high weight he also falls in the heavy MA category which as you said, grants him Raksha, how can a rock use martial arts is beyond me, but then again, SaGa.

Geez I really should get back in the game.
After I get some free time to do a Romancing SaGa 2 run for this thread I'll dive deep into Unlimited again.

>>2409307
my scans exist still thats cool

So how many of you thought this was a girl?

>>2430806
Something called Riki/Coon doesn't seem girly enough to me.
Also, monsters' genders are really weird in Frontier so I never really bothered.
And it's a furry for god's sake.

Silence is much more ambiguous, especially since his original name is Shizuka.

>Page 10

NO FUTURE bump

>>2429632
I highly suggest Final Fantasy Legend II due to it being linear and short which isn't a huge change from other games in the genres while still having its SaGa flare with the lack of an experience point system and races that develop differently.

>>2428572
Aren't giant items a bit too... pricey?

>>2433184
>Aren't giant items a bit too... pricey?
They are, money's not a problem once you each the giant's world though, and you can find some gloves/helms along the road on your quests there so you don't have to buy all the set usually, unless you have more than 2 humanoid characters, but still, even having one guy in a full set makes it almost impossible to lose any battle.

>>2435281
>Bolcano
Japan, pls

>>2333864

So I was reading a SaGa Frontier II LP and I learned that the Water Lord was skippable just like everyone else. How do I do that? I want a full powered Egg as a final boss.

>>2435478
>and I learned that the Water Lord was skippable just like everyone else.

Afaik, you simply need not to enter his room as he will automatically trigger the battle unlike the other lords, problem is you'll need and exact layout of the Last Megalith's map, which is a bit hard to find, maybe a Japanese wiki has it but iirc there's no maps available in english FAQs.
I'll look around a bit.
>I want a full powered Egg as a final boss.
eh, you do know that he can curbstomp you easily unless you have a really good setup, do you?

Wow, cool, a SaGa thread.

I remember SaGa Frontier 2 being the only JRPG I quit because of difficulty. There was this SRPG segment where you were given a small handful of troops and put in what was more or less an unwinnable battle against a huge force with your pissy units. Statistically, there had to have been a <10% chance of actually winning, but you needed to win to progress the story.
I reset dozens of times until I finally gave up. Aside from that, I just remember really liking the music.

>>2435471
Is that suppose to be Undine behind him?

i have no fucking idea as to what I'm doing but I don't give a shit.

only SaGa game I played before this was all of FFL 1 and some of FFL 2.

went with barbarian lady because it sounds fun

>>2435493
I beat full powered egg once

shit is hard af I had to start over so I could redo Laubholz Tower without killing the anima beast.

If you take the anima crystal at the bottom the Lich won't respawn, and while the Cinderforge is kind of not that great, the mystic veil he drops is super important

there are like 2 items that provide I think it was Psyche immunity and the mystic veil is one of them, and if you don't have it the Egg will brainfuck your whole party.

>>2436016
Honestly it's not that hard if you realize that you don't have to actually "Win", you just have to either survive or take out the enemy commander.

Well I mean it's pretty hard, but there are certain strategies with a high probability of success.

>>2436339
>Father:Paladin
>Mother:Thief
Well the sex must have been awkward.

>>2436527
what's more awkward is this game's combat system

Sif is my only person and there's a shitload of monsters everywhere. Usually there's only one and I just stab them and I can be done with it.

but then the game decides fuck you here's SIX and now I'm in trouble.

also she can't heal which is very bad.

>>2436509
I was 13, and FFT had been my only real experience with SRPGs at that point.
Later on I discovered shit like Fire Emblem and Hoshigami where the bullshit levels really rose sky-high, introducing me to the now familiar concept of "42% chance for you to get your shit pushed in".

Also, SaGa Frontier 2 was super disjointed to begin with, and I wasn't following fucking anything in the story.

I kind of have an urge to play Minstrel Song all of a sudden. Which characters are friendly for a first playthrough?

Has anyone signed up for Imperial Saga as yet? Apparently pre signers get Grey as a bonus character.

>>2438296
Jamil is best first play.

Claudia and Barbara aren't too bad either.

Gray, Sif and Albert are going to give you the most trouble if you do them first.

What happened to SaGa Vita? Do we even anything about the game?

>>2438608
Info will most likely be released at E3 or TGS.

more early SaGa art, book is from 1991
#!L8dEnARR!uIZEkD6OahYsHB9F8At5pAt6hp3SEYChPHkzh1cckws

What should I make Barbara?
The rest of my team is
Sif - Valhallan Warrior -> Warrior
Jamil - Estarmarian Rebel (May or may not turn him into a Rogue)
Grey - Swordsman
Claudia - Rosalian Mage

>>2440442
I think Barb does pretty well as a class that has access to Martial Arts.

>>2440442
Entertainer is a solid class right until the end. It disrupts the enemy's chances of forming combos, which is kind of a big deal.

>>2438608
Dead like the Vita.

>>2438486
What's the link and is it hard to sign up? I'll do it for the heck of it

>>2442442
You just have to put in your email. The website is like the first thing that comes up when you search for Imperial Saga.

http://www.imperialsaga.jp/

>>2443968
The 2015/6/15 at 11:59 under the registration means the game will launch then?

>>2444712
I assume so.

So the minigame on the website updated and now there's Gerard and Albert.

Judging by the pattern its highly likely that the next character is Julian who'll then be followed by someone from Frontier 1 or 2.

>>2436129
She's Edna, one of the MCs from Emperor's SaGa.
>>2438608
TGS will be probably the best source of info for that, I doubt they'll feauture it at E3.
>>2440442
Barbara is good at anything, but considering how fast she lears Martial Arts, Master would be a good role for her.

alright I was gonna try and do this totally blind but I think that might be a horrible idea

I got Albert but he sucks so he's in the back using bows. I can travel to a lot of places but most are just monster infested.

albert also gets killed in one hit a lot

Alright so I've beefed up, found an Aquamarine and decided to get a sword for my troubles.

Should I switch weapons because my Iron Sword is high level but I imagine the greatsword will be better in the long run. Haven't grasped the whole weapon system yet.

>>2447392
>albert also gets killed in one hit a lot
Looks like legit Albert to me, don't worry though, he'll get decent.
>>2447878
>Should I switch weapons
You obviously should when you get the chance
> Haven't grasped the whole weapon system yet.
Basically, each weapon works separately from the others, all your proficiencies and waza are bound to that single weapon instead of being a general attribute of your character, it kinda sucks because it makes the game super clunky especially in the long run when you'll get quite a few good weapons but they'll have a low level so you'll need to genocide tons of monsters to unlock their potential, that's SFC RomaSaGa's weapon system for you.
It's puzzling, on one hand as long as you can kill monsters before they kill you you won't exactly need to upgrade your equipment at the same pace of the other games, on the other hand it's also true that switching frequently kinda gives you the edge over the toughest opponents due to superior base stats though that means you have to fight a lot of stuff frequently.

Been tinkering with the Ant invasion minigame on Imperial SaGa's site.

I've seen Sif, Thomas, Guella Ha and Claudia showing up as support, Sif's sprite looks a bit weird but the others are fine.
shit gets a bit hard during certain waves.
Did any of you see somebody else?

>>2448751
thanks man.

For now I'm just running around doing whatever the heck I can find. Its a cool game structure and I found two new dudes to help out.

>>2449337
No problem.
Gray and Claudia are solid party members, you'll have a much easier time with them around, Gray can kick a good amount of ass with swords so consider giving Axes to Sif now, they work better with her superior STR ratings.

>>2449343
Sif's on the greatsword and Gray's using a spear.

>>2449348
Greatsword is a good choice for Sif, though iirc Gray isn't that good with spears, you might want to consider looking for Guella Ha for those, he's a pretty good spear user, I think only Neidhart and maybe Galahad are better than him.
Claudia is an excellent mage too, give her some stuff and make her your main healer too while you're at it, you won't be disappointed.

>>2449348
You will really want to give your fastest character an axe.
Axes have the best instant-kill moves and instant-kill moves are important because some enemies are also able to kill your entire party with a single AOE spell.

>>2449391
I will likely switch Gray from spears once I get Gallahad. Once I get beefier I'll work on Claudia's healing.

>>2449401
I'll keep that in mind.

alright now I'm really lost.

checking on how quests work I decided to help the reptile people so I got the locations, checked behind the weapon shop, got the lizard man in my group, and talked to the elder as well as everyone else around here.

But for some reason talking to the shop owner who likely kidnapped the reptiles doesn't do jack shit.

I know a lot has to do with a possibly buggy translation, party setups(I think I missed Jean's quest because I recruited Gray and Claudia before getting to Marcia) and overall weirdness but this one just confuses me.

ah well, gonna just move on and find Gallahad.

>>2449571
You have to talk to some people in town and walk behind the shop first.

Then talk to the shop keeper.

>>2449571
There should be two NPCs you have to talk with before talking to the shop owner if I'm not mistaken, if that doesn't trigger the quest I suppose the patch fucked up the game.

Guella Ha is so based, he's best bro in RomaSaGa together with Jean and Jamil.

>>2449343
Sif is best SaGa girl.

>>2450985
It's hard to choose, she sure is the best one in RomaSaGa together with Barbara.

I started playing the remake of Final Fantasy Legend and I'm really liking it so far, especially how it seems to be stat based but keeps the amount of stats to keep track of minimal.

I have a question though, can I reclaim the King's Armor after I put it on the Hero statue? I'm having a tougher time in the Sword Castle area than I thought.

Also, how do I improve my monster teammate?

>>2451247
>can I reclaim the King's Armor after I put it on the Hero statue?
Nope, one you put it on the statue it's gone for good.
>Also, how do I improve my monster teammate?
Well, give it a better form, there's not much more you can do. Fighting strong monsters means you usually get stronger forms as well so just go for that until you find something you like.

>>2451247
>Also, how do I improve my monster teammate?
Unless you're willing to look up an FAQ 24/7, the process of using monsters is:

Eat meat until you get something good (Boss meat are especially good for this)

And this is the part where people somehow don't figure out but once you get a form you're satisfied with, DON'T EAT THE DAMN MEAT until you're certain the monster is really falling behind.

Is it a general consensus that Said Ga 1 and 2 kinda suck? I tried so hard to get into them, but I just couldn't.

Hmm what classes should I go for with a team of Albert/Sif/Aisha/Claudia/Gray?

>>2451929
From what I've seen on /vr/, people love SaGa 2/FFL2.

>>2451929
SaGa 1 is good, but SaGa II is a fine RPG. What was it about them that you were unable to get into them for?

>>2451936
Albert - Pretty Freeform really - maybe Imperial Knight or a Caster Class (Rosalian Mage or Imperial Scholar)
Sif - Some people seem to like "upgrading" her to Warrior but it's eh for me.
Aisha - Castle Knight
Claudia - Ranger (Base) or Caster Class (Rosalian Mage or Imperial Scholar)
Gray - Swordsman / Martial Artist

It really just kind of depends on which class special abilities you think are cool and try to work around them because optimized Minstrel Song class set-ups are like 4 Castle Knights and an Imperial Scholar or something.

>>2398593
i dont know, i think that picture is pretty uplifting. destroying the most dangerous quell in the world with just a steel sword was pretty great

>>2450994
I've never been a fan of Sif's design in Minstrel Song; the backwards skull seems silly. I'd rather have Longhair+head band since it's nice and simple but also a pretty old style for jrpg characters imo.

>>2453336
Is that a bug or something?

So the Ant Invasion minigame updated to the RS3 characters starring Julian.

The assists that I got were
Thomas using money from the merchant minigame
Sara using Random Arrow
Katarina doing a Greatsword attack
Ellen performing a kick.

>>2453513
yeah, while doing Red's quest another primiera appeared and turned into Diana if she joins.

Just started SaGa (the Wonderswan version) and was wondering what my main party should be.
I like variety, so Human, Mutant and Monster are in, but what about the fourth character? Any recommendations?

Why is the City area of SaGa so hard? What do I do, I got the bike.

>>2454330
Second Human. Humans are the best class.

>>2454330
What ever you want. I personally like my fourth being a human due to the control you have over it and that money is no problem late game.

>>2454392
It has probably been 18 years since I first played it so I don't even know anymore. Talk around, you have to find the shield generator so you can actually face that asshole that has been chasing you around.

>>2454267
Wait, what, never had a bug like that. Do you use patch from pastebin?

>>2455352
yeah I used the updater and some of the patches that make the game easier. trying to figure out still what I need to do continue Assellus's event. I completed quests 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,10. I took too long to finish 1 so I could only do teh delivery, and for the Pidona assault, I talked to the man and he had the same dialogue but monsters didn't appear. currently on my way to do the dream devil event.

>>2455357
If you ignored double dianas then you should be fine I think. Would be nice if you can report any bugs or unusual things.

>>2455635
only thing I can remember s during the dream devil quest the father's sprite isn't changed to theodore. Also how do you unlock Shion? I thought it was by the choosing the rumor option at the bartender at Zweig butI think I'm wrong.

>>2456153
Sheryl is still in Zweig? Weird, after dream devil she should move

>>2450308
>>2450942
talked to everyone in the geckling village(especially the elder with Guella Ha) and the other village. Also have gone behind the shop. Must be bugged. Ah well.

Considering how I'll have one open slot after this quest is over(I kicked out Guella Ha sorry), who should I get to fill the slot? I don't need the best member so just tell me who your favorite is. Sif is pretty strong thanks to the insane encounter rate.

>>2451929
>Is it a general consensus that Said Ga 1 and 2 kinda suck
The first SaGa is pretty archaic by now, still pretty good considering it was on the GB and it was considerably different from the rest of the JRPGs of the time, it was also literally Square's first best seller, sold more than FF at the time.
SaGa 2 is just great though, the Remake might be more of your speed if you don't like the original.
>>2452696
I always see it as a late gift from Gustav, but every time I see it I always think about all the people in the game and it makes me teary eyed...
>>2453336
I like both designs though I would have preferred she used Kobayashi's redesign for the costume as well instead of going with Naora's version, vanilla Sif might me a bit better because it's 90's as fuck, she looks like a character from either Lodoss or Slayer and that's awesome for me.
In general, most redesigns aren't that hot, Jamil becoming a elf like Aladdin or Farah are pretty damn bad, though others got either a good upgrade like Jean or some nice alternate version like Barbara or Gray.
>>2454330
Robutts so you can have a tank, otherwise put in another Human.
>>2456471
Well, Galahad is a pretty good party member but if you ask about favorites than I'd take either Barbara or Hawke, though Hawke sounds kinda lame without his best bro Guella.

>have several runs trying to figure out why shinon didn't appear.
>turns out I had to talk to sharl again after I complete the quest

>>2457523

>>2457523
Are you going to use Asellus or other mystics later?

>>2457550
Yeah, I plan to try to have a save of Asellus, White Rose, Rei, Gold Lion and Mesartim and two other saves for other team combinations.

Gee, Thomas' special attack sure is something.

So far I've seen Katarina doing Moon Slash, Sarah's Random Arrow, Ellen's Kick and Thomas' attack which is a reference to the Naji/Nasshu tribe in the Stock Market minigame in RomaSaGa 3 if I read that right.

Though I'm pretty puzzled they chose Julian as the RomaSaGa 3 rep, he's the most popular Main but still, the theme of the game is royalty and such so it should have been at least Monica since I get Mikhail is not popular at all.

Wonder who the next rep will be.
Based on the silhouette it might be either Gustave in his late years, Wil or Adel himself.

>>2457573
Oh, then make sure you increase their stats later

>>2457421
I'll go search out Barbara then. Galahad seems to be a total fucking asshole at the moment but I'd rather not murder him.

>>2457864
>Galahad seems to be a total fucking asshole
Hey man, he spent his life for that sword, and he really is going to use that to smite evildoers.
>but I'd rather not murder him.
HAHAHAHAHAHA, if he doesn't murder you first, that is.

>>2457879
all he does is wander around town talking about how fucking cool his sword is

He isn't accomplishing shit.

>>2457881
His sword is really cool though.

Also, iirc if you have a free slot in your party he should join you without problems even if you started Flame Tyrant's quest.

>>2457887
I haven't met Flame Tyrant yet but I'll pick him up once I do.

why does this game feel the need to swamp me with encounters holy fuck

>>2457891
>why does this game feel the need to swamp me with encounters holy fuck
Yeah, it's really annoying, there's really a lot of them and it kinda renders the fact that you can walk away useless since in most dungeons they'll usually gangrape you in a corner and outnumber you.

the SFC version is so clunky for most things, no wonder it wasn't a great success compared to the first trilogy.
Romancing SaGa 2 fixed that though.

>>2457897
Looking forward to RS2 and 3. I like this game's structure and idea but its got some issues.


also I decided to make a joke attempt and murdering the dragon here and it worked

However I'm pretty sure that would end up fucking me over so I'll just continue the fetch quest.

>>2457906
>I like this game's structure and idea but its got some issues.
It has a lot of issues in the meta, RS2 fixes a lot but also has its fair share of problems, and it's radically more difficult than RS at a structural level, for a lot of reasons.

Congrats on killing the Silver Dragon, you're already kinda good if you managed to do that, be sure to get all the loot inside the cave.

>>2457906
It doesn't really mess with anything. Killing them or accepting their fetch quest just gives you different rewards.

The only weird thing is that you can't fight Flame Tyrant unless you accept Tiny Feather's fetch quest, so you can't kill them both.

>>2457912
>>2457923
Well I decided against keeping him dead anyways because I'm not taking any risks after the Geckling quest messed up.

also I saved the entire town and yet these fuckers still tell me to go away fuck them

Anyone know what the second option for the npc that changes the main character do?

>>2458692
New Class system.

Takes Jewels (rare drops from enemies and sometimes quest rewards. I stupidly sold mine the first time through), adjusts stats/spark rates and usually comes with a special ability

>>2449571
>>2449441
>>2449348
>>2449337
>>2447878
>>2447392
>>2454267
Woah, hold up. Was Romancing Saga finally translated? Any word on 2?

>>2459312
RS2 is still untranslated I think.

>>2457954
You can't enter the emperor's palace unless you have a special permission to do so, same with Neidhart in Rosalia.
You'll get one eventually when you do a few more quests.
>>2459312
2 is being currently translated by Gideon, so you'll have to wait a few eons.
>>2459587
>Harid is said to be greedy
>Has highest greed counter in the game
>yfw Thomas and Fullbright are the real, literal jews that control the world market behind the scenes.

>>2459619
I have trouble with the minigame since companies randomly leave when they're blue. is there a way to make them return to black? I try to use each group once per bid war.

>>2459628
>is there a way to make them return to black?
Afaik you should concentrate on rebuilding a good capital so they should become active again.

Though if I may suggest you a strategy, don't ask for support at all when you're doing the market stock minigame, it's the fastest way to make it unwinnable, the thing you should do to get a smooth victory is buying all the smallest businesses first in order to build capital, I'm talking about all those little things like mining companies, lumberjacks and hotels that cost little to nothing, once you amass them all you should have a stable enough capital to buy mid sized businesses like a few guilds, manufacturers and transport societies, once you get all those you can try to build up enough capital to buy the bigger enterprises like the ship guilds in Vanguard or the jewel makers in Podol which will make you rich as fuck in the long run, though for things like the Naju tribe businesses you'll have to be careful as you'll need to bet billions and billions to barely stay afloat. Once you get a lot of companies working for you you should have enormous capital you can spend on buying bigger companies and also a great revenue that will give you solid income to restore the capital you spent on buying big companies, you shouldn't ask for help from your companies as you're literally selling off a part of them every time you do so, the only feasible option would be to ask help from the Claudius family business as they give a lot of money and will probably never run out of it, considering they're the ones backing you up.

Also, one other thing, I'm not sure whether you noticed but your capital increases even when you lose a bid, you might want to do this periodically, just bid against someone you know you'll never be able to buy and leave the bid immediately, you'll still amass capital, be careful though, you can't do this when somebody else is trying to buy something for you, those are the bids you should NEVER lose.

>>2459645
Thanks for the tip, also another weird thing that happened was that the Pidona assault event started earlier in the play through but didn't start after I talked to the man, but then monsters in Pidona appeared after wandering around for several hours.

>>2459106
>>2458692
Also, you shouldn't bother with them now, it's better to save jewels for high/special classes you unlock later.

>>2459690
Pidona assualt is a part of sealing earth abyss gate so you shouldn't bother about it.
Also I noticed that there's nothing about mystics stat change in pastebin so I have to elaborate:
Mystics can steal attacks from enemies. Different attacks gives you different stats. To get attack, you must use this tech as last hit that will finish the enemy. Note that what you get is random so it will take several tries to get what you want (sometimes you get nothing). You can see pic for example of stealing and stats changing.
I'm assuming you know how Riki/Coon works.

>>2459790
Also, patched version from pastebin displays incorrect stats

>>2459821
>Double Crown
Why is this allowed?

>>2459825
Because aabeta is ridiculous hack

>>2459836
It fucking shows, damn I hate when they cram all the idiotic stuff they can think of in a single game, that's why I rarely use patches that mess up with the core gameplay.

Why is Romancing SaGa 3 so damn popular with japanese romhackers?

>>2460087
Double crowns is small thing compared to other changes

>>2460161
Good looking, nice music tools and has a great game system, it's one of the prettiest turn based JRPG on the Famicom and given its sandbox-y nature it's perfect for mods.
Also, some things, like poses are more standardized compared to 2 so they're much easier to make, in 2 literally every playable character has his very own set of poses for anything.
>>2460163
Don't let me talk about the Class systems, t260g or Riki, or the new magics, or the combo system and removing and reworking damage formulas.
Pants on head retarded decisions.

>>2459619
Looks like more quests it is.

Finally getting somewhere, about to close up the dragon bullshit.

>>2460171
Why are you playing a hack if you don't want them to change anything?

A lot of your complaints sound like nitpicking than legitimate grievances.

>>2459790
holy shit those stats are absurd

Asellus stronk

>>2460583
Last emperor is probably king of stats

>>2459790
It's similar to mystics where they have to get the last hit to gain the ability, and depending on what there abilities they currently have+ health determines their form right?

after completing the second trade mission, the green guy doesn't give the thunder magi. the guy at the divine tower also doesn't give his mission(may be because I took his comp. This was also before of learning about the abyss gate. I also tried a save where I didn't buy out the companies at divine tower and that didn't work either.

>>2460975
What does he say?

>>2460975
Also, you say you finished 2nd mission but I can see Dophore firm here on 2nd place

>>2461043
That was from earlier when I wanted to record the difference between me and dophore before I took it over.

>>2461049
Have you actually started treasure quest?

I think my only issue with aabeta other than the increased difficulty (which you can patch out) is that all the new quests makes the game take way way way longer to complete and they're so interconnected that you can't say "well, I'm skipping this one this playthrough" without knowing which 4-5 other quests it's going to lock you out of.

>>2341463
You didn't really answer his question haha. I have the same question

There's no connection between the games plotwise but some of the game mechanics are shared between games such as learning new techs during battle or having a separate counter for life.

>>2461380
One of things I like in bokuno is that quests don't have some of the retarded conditions present in aabeta so you have more freedom.

Actually, you gave me idea: Make a bare minimum bokuno run and see if I can beat Saruin while doing as little quests as posssible. Well, it's probably impossible with starting armor and broadsword, but I'm curious how far I would get.

>>2460568
I'm not playing it in fact, I tried it months ago because I was intrigued by the new sprites for the characters and then I found out all the clusterfuck, I was just ranting.
Some things are nice though, like the fact that you could get a lot of characters from all the series, there's a neat tool for sprite editing and all that jazz, it's just the changes to the core gameplay that I don't like but it's more because there's too much stuff cramped in without much planning for me and a lot of those decisions are a bit questionable, but yeah at the end of the day I'm nitpicking, the patches are objectively amazing considering all the stuff they did and it's a SFC game on top of it.

>>2463013
>Dat Shigen

>>2464956
>Imperial is coming out in a few days
>Thread dies

Come on guys, don't you want to play with 5 different versions of Leon in your party?

Also, they put a few new cards in the Emperor's SaGa archives, check them out.

They updated Imperial's homepage

Last Rep was Adel, as I suspected.

>>2459645
Based Thomas looks fucking rad in that pic.

I also started playing Saga 3 remake on DS
>reading all the tutorials documenting all the changes
Jesus fuck. I wonder how much of this shit was actually in the original and I just never bothered because I never ate meat or parts. It was only years later that I learned the perks of doing so, and years after that event that I'm playing the remake.

>>2466304 here
I started experimenting with parts and meats, and now after all that shit:
>Dune is an esper
>Polnaref is a human
>Milfie is a cyborg
>Sireugh is a beastman(/beastwoman?)
CALL THE WAMBULANCE I'VE OFFICIALLY LOST IT

>>2465761
the visuals are glassy in a shit way and it looks to be a lot like Unlimited Saga without all the charm

I simply cannot hype for this

>>2404729
So far for me:
RS3 > Unlimited > SaGa 1 = SaGa 2 > SF1 >>> SF2

RS:MS looks pretty hype, but I wish the run speed wasn't so fucking slow, also the crafting and profession mechanics are weird as fuck and I don't really understand them.

DEAD thread

>>2466691 again.
>dat chain encounter theme
So gud.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOCPSrObljc&index=9&list=PLDA93BA51C56E5A2F

Also, based Polnaref dealing them insta-KOs with worldly two-step.

never heard of this this is cool as shit

>>2469709
glad to see others enjoying it, when imperial SaGa comes out on the 16th in japtime there'll be more discussion.
>>2461109
Didn't realize the thunder magi was part of the treasure quest. Since that doesn't trigger until I get the angel wings, and the quest for that doesn't trigger until I get 500 hp, I'll try and finish quests that fail at 500 and earlier quests.

I have to say though, reading a bit ahead, I don't get what the fuck happened with SaGa 3 remake's story compared to the original.

Why the fuck was Volage/Borgin made to be the villain?

>>2469968
All magi are part of treasure quest

also the FAQ mentions an Albert and Diana event, but which one is that specifically?

>>2470000
It's not on youtube, and it's really small, you can do it if you want to use her but that's it.
Anyway, you talk to Albert first and refuse joining your party. Diana should appear in Pidona port, talk to her, get Albert into your party, go to Stanley weapon shop, she should be there. Talk and you can recruit her after that.

>>2333864
I know this isn't really retro, but it's saga related...

>pic related

These are my absolute favorite saga games.

Yeah, I know mad people hate unlimited saga, but the awesome thing about each one of these games, is how they changed up the battle/game systems so drastically . Well, except for minstrel, but I just fucking love that game anyway.

>>2472180
Unlimited is good, only problem is too much RNG in fights.

>>2472180
Unlimited is an Elder God Tier JRPG, problem is it's really not player-friendly at all, much like Wizardry 4 and that rubs a lot of people in a bad way because they expect the game to hold their hand and be a standard JRPG. I personally wasn't too fond of the chessboard exploration though, and Reels where a bit excessive at times.
MinSon is great but I'm not too fond of the Stat Growth system, I prefer "fixed" stats personally, also some redesigns aren't really as good as the original ones for me, still a great game in a lot of ways and one of my favorite JRPGs on the PS2.

Either way, Imperial is coming out SOON™.

GET ON THE SAGATRAIN GUYS!

>>2472180
Last Remnant?

>>2472478
Don't believe Squeenix's lies, it's a SaGa game in disguise.

>do the mung village/neft quest without watching the walkthrough beforehand
>one magic user gets removed
>get rekt by soulgutter first time
>end up finding only two physical moves that damaged him

>>2472516
I remember I got rekt by Soulgutter too when I fought him in Minson for the first time, the damn thing had insane defense unless you had stats around 50.
Then I went to Purgatory and found out he's also a random encounter there.

By the way, since I've lost all my SNES stuff a few days ago I've restarted a playthrough of Romancing SaGa 3, which even triggered Gon's quest when Thomas is MC?
I wanted to do a Master Magician playthrough but I really can't remember what are his special conditions for getting Sharl and Muse, it's been too long.