/vr/ - Retro Games

>>2316840
Nope, tried in a different room, and I have another CRT with no issues.

I've also got a weird geometry issue where there's horizontal distortion along a thin line near the top and bottom of the screen. But I'd swear it changes based on the picture, it's very strange. And not to mention I've got other minor geometry issues. I'm assuming that's not fixable in the service menu?

>>2316902
I remember a similar issue when i reworked my sync shifter.
The LM1881 preamplifer gotten a too strong signal (i guess) because i used the wrong resistor and i made another mistakes in the NE555 'chain'.
This only happened with my SNES, my N64 and GC didn't had that problem despite that these were the same signals.


Now as the scanlines shift to the right after the white lines means that the sync circuits 'senses' the sync pulse too early.
I guess this is some AC coupling issue as your sync source (luminance) also carries the brightness and this seems to effect the sync separator, normally the video signals for consumer displays should be AC coupled (except for VGA), also should not have a DC voltage offset (except for VGA).
Now the good question which console it is and if there should be any AC coupling capacitors in the cables.

Guys, my Super Nintendo won't plug into my PVM. What am I doing wrong?

>>2317145
I hope you're trolling...

>>2317146
Sorry, I'm not.

>>2317148
You have what looks like a RF connector. That's not going to work. Rtfm and do a bit of research man. How do you buy a PVM without knowing the connectors and different outputs?

I mean I don't mean to be an ass but that's simple stuff man. You need BNC connectors. And with a SNES you'll want to use RGB output. Most people find it easiest to buy a scart cable and then use a scart to BNC breakout cable. Get a C Sync one.

>>2317145
Not again, Mark, you just never learn do you...?

>>2317159
Thank you

>>2317160
I'm not Mark

>>2317159
Wait, so do I NEED the $35 scart rgb shit? Can I just by an adapter for the cable I have now?

>>2317169
Going to be spending more than $35.

>>2317169
are you in the USA or Europe?

>>2317145
>>2317176
also, what model of PVM is that?

>>2317169
For composite, yes, you can buy a cheap adapter, but not RF.

You've got to be pulling our legs, anyway. I refuse to believe anybody would go out of their way to get a PVM not only without doing research into what kind of inputs the monitor has but also not even having composite cables.

>>2317182
I think we're dealing with a hipster and I now regret helping him.

>>2317182
I ended up getting a PVM because I don't have much room on my desk and 8" is perfect. Plus I've had always had good experiences with Sony's.

>>2317182
Not him, but I sort of did the when I ordered my 14m2u online.

but I watched a few videos about it and ordered some "RCA to BNC adapters" (5$ on the zon)
before the monitor even arrived.

I think I'll buy this and then buy an RCA to BNC. I'm not spending $25+ to plug up a game system.

>>2317205
If you're not kidding around, then you're better off just getting S-Video cables, as those don't require a converter.

>>2316986
This is a little outside my scope of my knowledge, but it's through a Wii over a component (YPbPr). I've used these on another CRT so I figure it must be the TV at fault. I'm just trying to figure if I should toss it or if there might be a quick fix.

>>2317207
So this would work?

>>2317238
Yes, that cable would be fine.

>>2317242
Thanks, I just found this thing so I don't know much about all these cables.

>>2317217
A NTSC Wii cable doesn't need anything.
>if there might be a quick fix.
Maybe the connectors at the TV are faulty, check the other inputs or carefully bend plugged in cables and look if picture stays clear.

Morning /crt/. So day 3 with my new screens and still no regret. I'm glad I picked up two now as I just realised Time Crisis 2 and 3 have link play and I have a spare PS2!

I wish there was a way to measure if a bit of furniture was going to support the weight of an old CRT. I've got a fairly sturdy wooden chest of drawers, no real reinforcement, but I figure the drawers stop it from collapsing. I have no idea if it can support 30kg on top indefinitely. I hope it will, because I've seen forums of idiots who rest 100kg+ fish tanks on them, but I have no real idea.

>>2317775
,that is a perplexing problem to have, now that CRT use are such a rarity for he use. I imagined most furniture has become weaker and less sterdy in attempt to lower costs and improve aesthetics.

truly this is an age of flimsy overpriced bullshit

How do sync strippers work?
If I feed an LM1881, for example, a composite video signal from my PS1 will it produce clean sync, or would I need to tap csync from the console's PPU and use that for stripping?

>>2317903
Just feed it normal composite video, no need to modify it.
An lm1881 is fine taking composite video, luma, or csync itself.

>>2316238
dat HDD spacer made me giggle, thx

Is there any guide to setting up a PVM? Mine arrived, and it was great aside from a little bit of cutoff, so I tried to fix it in the service menu and now vertical lines aren't perfectly straight.

>>2317920
Its an old IDE out of an orignial xbox. The TV only has feet at the back and not at the front and the only thing sturdy enough to hand was that.

>>2317921
Adjusting my PVM is all through pots on the inside. What model is it?

Your best bet is grab the service manual

>>2317910
Cheers.

I'm going to get a PVM 14L2. Pic related. Are they any good? Not sure if this is relevant but the monitor was used at the Dutch television station. And if I saw it right, the monitor was built in 2004.

I'm also going to buy a adapter cable so I can use SCART. I found a site where I can buy these cables but I'm wondering if I need on with or without sync cleaner (I don't know what this is tho).

Finally got the geometry on my PVM-2030 perfect, but the entire top left quarter of the screen has convergence problems - the red raster is bowing up.

Would this be fixable with metal strips or is it probably a yoke alignment issue?

>>2318287
YOu don't need a sync cleaner with most PVMs.

>>2318287
Depends on the condition. It's a good model but if it's got 100k hours on it, it ain't gonna look too hot. Try and use 240p test suite to check the convergence and geometry before you buy.

Also keep in mind that very basic geometry issues, like the picture under or overscanning, can be fixed in the menus easily.

>buy an unseen 20M2MDE for 50 quid delivered
>it's almost pristine, couple of minor scratches on the body
>comes with the little plastic cover
>even comes with the little plastic guards for the air vents so you can't spill medicine in it
>screen looks great
Everything went better than expected.

>>2318408
Will it hurt if I get a cable witch a sync cleaner, just to be sure?

>>2318615
Thanks, Ill keep this in mind.

>>2318803
Can make it look crappy.

>>2318752
Pics

It seems my VGA to BNC cable is fault, and that is why I haven't been able to get PC output on RGB1, as it refuses to display from the Dreamcast either. The makeshift one for RGB2 is fine with it though.

>>2318826
>Feeding something that does need but will accept a clean signal will give a bad picture
u wot

>>2318867
>It seems my VGA to BNC cable is fault, and that is why I haven't been able to get PC output on RGB1

what brand is it?

>>2319148
No idea. I got it from the previous owner.
Haven't gotten around to trying out the GSM or the Guncon adapter, but the Dreamcast certainly looks nice. Still some interference/artifact from my shoddy cable, but it's much less than from the laptop.

What's a good portable CRT with AV input?

I'm in the Navy as an IC, so I'll be learning how to repair these fuckers and could use a practice dummy.

>>2319512
I'd get an 8" PVM and $1 AV to BNC adapter. They even have handles on top.

>>2319523
>$94
This better be the best god damn 8" TV ever made.

>>2319546
Look harder, lol. I wouldn't spend more than $60 on eBay.

Finally got an s-video cable today, and I don't know how I lived without one for so long. The image quality and colors are so much better.

I tried to take as good of a picture as I could with my phone, but it doesn't really do it justice. It looks much better to the naked eye.

>>2319712
Seeing is truly believing. The first time I saw what RGB looked like on my PS1 with Grandia I was blown away.

>>2319748
It's pretty amazing, I just wish my CRT supported SCART since it's supposed to be the best.

>>2319852
YPbPr component is equivalent, and you can buy a transcoder if you really want that quality. For most /vr/ games, s-video is more than sufficient.

>>2319908
Well I mean I'm happy with the s-video quality so I'm just gonna stick with that.

>>2317775
Sit/stand on it. If you weigh more than the CRT does, and if things feel stable, she'll be right.

>>2318323
Can try yoke adjustment, but the yoke tends to be best for whole screen rotation. For convergence, metal strips are your best bet, or permalloy strips, or strips of fridge magnet on cardboard.

Would like to hear how you get on.

>>2319546
>>2319553
ONLY the 450 TVL 8" PVM's (8045Q/9045QM) are worth $20-$25. The others are at most $10 sets.

FUCK

>>2319959
The problem there is that plenty of things can support a grown man for a few minutes, but then bow over time until they snap in half. I think I'll be alright, 30kg isn't that much, as long as I keep all the drawers in it should be stable. I'm also going to have to take the feet off and just have the metal base flat against it, because the feet are 38cm apart but the furniture is only 36cm deep. There's no way I'm supporting all that weight on feet that are only half resting on it.

>>2318826
So how do I find out if I need one?

So if I want to take the hood off my CRT and fix the convergence or distortion, what should I be aware of? Which parts will kill me if I touch them?

>>2320285
Everything. Touch anything and you're dead.

>>2320285

Don't touch anything that isn't a potentiometer with your screwdriver, work with isolated gloves, use an isolated screwdriver, only work with one hand, put the other in your back/pocket

>>2320072
Is this a rom hack?

>>2320754
It's a simple hack that inserts Omega Weapon from FFVIA into the SNES version.

This radioshack input selector box I came across has a "game input" with adjustable resistance. When on the 1k ohm setting, everything appears very bright and washed out.

Any idea what purpose this setting served? What kind of use case would this have been for? The other inputs are not marked game input and this switch appears to be the only difference.

how sad is an 8" pvm

Is it even worth it?

>>2321580
If you want a portable CRT? Good. Otherwise? No. 450 lines max vs 600-900 for 'normal sized" studio sets.

>>2321580
Anything under 20" is pretty unplayable these days. But some people love the tiny screens for some reason.

>>2321580
Well it all really depends where you're setting it up to be honest.

I have one and it's sitting right in front of me on my desk and I never had a problem with the size.

So what can you guys tell me about rear-projection TVs? How do they compare to CRTs exactly?

I know they're huge and less practical, but are they on par?

>>2321754
Don't bother.

>>2321757
I'm not looking for one, my friend has one that we usually play on and I was just curious about them.

>>2321717
>Anything under 20" is pretty unplayable these days.

14" was and is still perfectly acceptable. Just don't sit 2m away.

>>2321794
>14" was and is still perfectly acceptable
Like I said some people like the small screens for some reason.

>>2321797

>14"
>small

Nope, it's a perfectly normal size, and pretty widespread among all kind of TVs and monitors.

>>2321802
Maybe in 3rd world.
America doesn't even sell a TV smaller than 50" unless it's a budget model.

>>2321806
>Murrica
>not third world when it came to TV by the 80s/90s

At least my 14" Sony TV had RGB m8.

>>2321817
Well in America you always had the option of importing a jap set. And we never had to worry about any ridiculous refresh rate.
Not like you serfs in euroland used rgb all that much anyway.
And before you go off on your dumbass "I got scart cables for days" bullshit stop. Every single time I offer $50 for a simple PS1 scart cable none of you serfs cough up.

>>2321821

>Not like you serfs in euroland used rgb all that much anyway.

Brits != all of Europe

We in France and Germany were RGB crazies, while Brits were just like you, in love with RF and Composite video.
For the refresh rate? Unless you were using a composite/RF-only pre-1980s set, TVs accepted a 60Hz RGB input. And it's not like 50Hz stuff is as bad as you make it be.
Anyway, the guys who snapped for your 50$ SCART cable is surely Brit, because here they're 5€ brand new available on any website people check before searching on ebay.

Anyway, 14" is a totally acceptable size for TVs and Computer or video monitor. Sure, 20" is nice, but 14" is still somewhat of a good choice. Like I said, don't sit 2m away and it's pretty enjoyable.

>>2321839
>And it's not like 50Hz stuff is as bad as you make it be.
I can't look at 50hz crt. I get a headache. It's trash.

>Anyway, 14" is a totally acceptable size for TVs
In 3rd world yes.

>Anyway, the guys who snapped for your 50$ SCART cable is surely Brit, because here they're 5€ brand new available on any website people check before searching on ebay.
Nope. Unless you want to provide some proof.

>>2321841
>I can't look at 50hz crt. I get a headache. It's trash.

Then you're a fucking pussy brah.

>In 3rd world yes.

>America
>Saying any other country is 3rd world when it came to TVs made after the 70s

Sure you could import those High-end Japanese sets, but we had them released in our country.

And no, 14" is no 3rd world size. 9" maybe is, but 14" is among the most widespread size when it come to high quality broadcast monitor.

>Nope. Unless you want to provide some proof.

About the 5 bucks cables?
Here : http://www.priceminister.com/offer/buy/155005991/cable-video-peritel-et-av-ps3-ps2-ps1.html?gclid=CJ770anC1MQCFQoKwwodUREATg#sort=0&filter=10&bbaid=1301107711&xtatc=PUB-[ggp]-[Jeux-Video-et-Consoles]-[Accessoires-Jeux-Video]-[155005991]-[neuf]-[GamersFun]&t=&ptnrid=3gTdK8I7_dc|pcrid|45813277763|pkw||pmt|&ja2=cgid:12619624763|tsid:67590|cid:247990883|lid:78075477323|nw:g|crid:45813277763|rnd:2632654925014189096|dvc:c|adp:1o1

>>2321857
>Then you're a fucking pussy brah.
Sorry I can't comply with your 3rd world standard.
>, but we had them released in our country.
You had 50hz gimped sets yes. Even freaky ones that did 100hz.
Most the American sets and at least Sony were basically the exact same.

And nice link to some chinese 3rd party cable.
Not an official PS1 cable. Like always you serfs talking straight out your ass about scart popularity.

>>2321862

>Sorry I can't comply with your 3rd world standard.

Nah, you're just searching for excuses, you're just a pussy.

>You had 50hz gimped sets yes

Nope, we had them upgraded to the status of multi-standard sets, so they could accept both a PAL and NTSC composite signal, and for RGB it never mattered as almost all TVs just displayed a 60Hz RGB video if you fed it that kind of signal.

>And nice link to some chinese 3rd party cable. Not an official PS1 cable.

>muh official one are the only valid

Okay, here's your official one : http://www.priceminister.com/offer/buy/51280810/Cable-Euro-Av-Pour-Playstation-2-Accessoire-Playstation-2.html?gclid=CNvEg4rH1MQCFSsKwwodmCEAYQ#sort=0&filter=10&bbaid=277014536&xtatc=PUB-[ggp]-[Jeux-Video-et-Consoles]-[Accessoires-Jeux-Video]-[51280810]-[neuf]-[Mazarin2]&t=&ptnrid=vma6fi5q_dc|pcrid|45813277763|pkw||pmt|&ja2=cgid:12619624763|tsid:67590|cid:247990883|lid:78075477923|nw:g|crid:45813277763|rnd:12678450854340055023|dvc:c|adp:1o3&scroll=prd_information
Still at 5 bucks.

>>2321868
>Nah, you're just searching for excuses, you're just a pussy.
Man that 50hz is just too hardcore for me.

>Nope, we had them upgraded to the status of multi-standard sets, so they could accept both a PAL and NTSC composite signal, and for RGB it never mattered as almost all TVs just displayed a 60Hz RGB video if you fed it that kind of signal.
Keep telling yourself that. Ignore the fact that's a hardware issue not a signal issue that makes 3rd world consoles 50hz.

And that cable is another 3rd party one. Not official. As said scart was nowhere near as popular as you serfs make it out to be if you can't even provide a scart cable for MOST POPULAR RETRO CONSOLE. Give me a break... lmao

>>2321872

>Keep telling yourself that. Ignore the fact that's a hardware issue not a signal issue that makes 3rd world consoles 50hz.

Nope, no hardware issue. We had a company in France that imported PC Engines directly from Japan in the late 80s/early 90s (Sodipeng), modded them so it could output RGB through a SCART cable, and didn't made them output a 50Hz RGB signal, they just supplied the right PSU and that's it, it worked perfectly on most TVs of the time. The only reason why we didn't have 60Hz versions of consoles all over Europe is because fucking brits (who were one of the biggest market in yurop) were sucker for composite, just like you guys, and that PAL60 wasn't widespread then.

>And that cable is another 3rd party one. Not official. As said scart was nowhere near as popular as you serfs make it out to be if you can't even provide a scart cable for MOST POPULAR RETRO CONSOLE. Give me a break... lmao

>Câble Euro-AV officiel pour Playstation et Playstation 2.
>officiel
>that's another 3rd party one

I might understand that not reading French might be problematic when it comes to navigate through a French page, but now you're being stupid.

Also, what about the fact that the French NES only had an RGB output? The fact the Master System and Megadrive was shipped with an RGB cable (pic related)? The SNES had the same one as the NES, and that same cable was re-released again for the gamecube years later. Even the Japanese SNES had a first-party SCART cable. The Saturn and the Dreamcast were shipped with one too. Even the fucking PC Engines had RGB as said earlier.
Just stop posting, you're either stupid or just a bad troll m8 (on top of being a pussy, 50Hz video never brothered any kids in the days).

>>2321945
>Nope, no hardware issue. We had a company in France that imported PC Engines directly from Japan in the late 80s/early 90s (Sodipeng), modded them so it could output RGB through a SCART cable, and didn't made them output a 50Hz RGB signal
That's because Japan is NTSC.

Also the majority of Japan, America, and EU used composite.

>I might understand that not reading French might be problematic when it comes to navigate through a French page, but now you're being stupid.
The cable doesn't even have the PlayStation logo... Not to mention is missing the ferrite beads. Stop

>Also, what about the fact that the French NES only had an RGB output?

"Or rather, it doesn’t. Contrary to what I’ve heard some say, and to what the machine itself declares, the French model of PAL NES does not output a true RGB signal; the quality of output seems absolutely no different to a UK system with AV cables. What is interesting, is the way the French NES actually provides said signal."
According to hardcore101. You're an idiot.

>The fact the Master System and Megadrive was shipped with an RGB cable (pic related)?

That's composite. Just uses a scart lead.

>The SNES had the same one as the NES, and that same cable was re-released again for the gamecube years later.
Wtf are you talking about?

>Even the Japanese SNES had a first-party SCART cable.
It was jp21 and not many sold.

>The Saturn and the Dreamcast were shipped with one too.
That is true for the Saturn. Idk about DC. The Saturn PAL used its own cable that is different from NTSC so.

>Even the fucking PC Engines had RGB as said earlier.
No. They need to be modded. And as said it's ntsc so 60hz stock.

>Just stop posting, you're either stupid or just a bad troll m8 (on top of being a pussy, 50Hz video never brothered any kids in the days).
Just about everything you stated is wrong and proved it wrong with sources. You're a fucking idiot. Only one who should stop posting is your dumb ass.

>>2321959
>hat's because Japan is NTSC.
>Also the majority of Japan, America, and EU used composite.

Doesn't change the fact that we

>"Or rather, it doesn’t. Contrary to what I’ve heard some say, and to what the machine itself declares, the French model of PAL NES does not output a true RGB signal; the quality of output seems absolutely no different to a UK system with AV cables. What is interesting, is the way the French NES actually provides said signal."
>According to hardcore101. You're an idiot.

It was RGB, they just used that chip that convert the PAL composite signal to RGB. back then, French TVs used SECAM, not PAL.

>That's composite. Just uses a scart lead.

What the fuck are you saying? It's clearly written "ADAPTATEUR RVB" on the box, and doesn't even output composite, I own one, and it only output RGB -- when using a SCART to BNC cable, the sync/composite BNC jack can't be used as a composite video source for my PVM.

>That is true for the Saturn. Idk about DC. The Saturn PAL used its own cable that is different from NTSC so.

The DC output RGB, I own one, and use it on my PVM with a SCART to BNC adapter. And no fuck given, RGB is still RGB, and it was shipped with the console.

>Wtf are you talking about?

I'm talking about that very same RGB cable that was used with the NES, that was shipped with the SNES when it was released in France, and then reused with the gamecube later.

>No. They need to be modded. And as said it's ntsc so 60hz stock.

Yes the models sold in France did output RGB as said earlier, because, no shit sherlock, I said at the beginning of the previous post that they were modded by the company that imported them. And as I said, it did output a 60Hz RGB video signal, that our TVs took without frowning.

>Just about everything you stated is wrong and proved it wrong with sources.

Stop talking about shit you don't know about, all you said in your post is just bullshit.

>>2321963
>Doesn't change the fact that we
?
>It was RGB, they just used that chip that convert the PAL composite signal to RGB. back then, French TVs used SECAM, not PAL.
Nope. Proven it's not RGB.

>What the fuck are you saying? It's clearly written "ADAPTATEUR RVB" on the box, and doesn't even output composite, I own one, and it only output RGB -- when using a SCART to BNC cable, the sync/composite BNC jack can't be used as a composite video source for my PVM.
Well if it is then it's proprietary because it's nothing like the Jap version. And the BR one is composite and looks just like it. So I'm going to lean on the side that you're talking more bullshit.

>I'm talking about that very same RGB cable that was used with the NES, that was shipped with the SNES when it was released in France, and then reused with the gamecube later.
I did not know PAL GC used the same cable.

>Yes the models sold in France did output RGB as said earlier, because, no shit sherlock, I said at the beginning of the previous post that they were modded by the company that imported them. And as I said, it did output a 60Hz RGB video signal, that our TVs took without frowning.
Again because it's a jap console that outputs 60hz native.

>Stop talking about shit you don't know about, all you said in your post is just bullshit.
Only thing I didn't know was your GCs use the same cable. The rest you stated all bullshit.

>>2321968
>Nope. Proven it's not RGB.

Pic related prove that you're telling shit. If it wasn't outputing RGB, why would cable have the RGB pins wired? Like I said, they convert the PAL composite signal to RGB, then output that same RGB signal. That why the video quality isn't that good in RGB.

>Well if it is then it's proprietary because it's nothing like the Jap version.

There's no first party Japanese RGB cable, and the one I own is the official one, shipped with the French Megadrive, with the 1987 Sega copyright on the PCB inside that little box.

>And the BR one is composite and looks just like it. So I'm going to lean on the side that you're talking more bullshit.

BR isn't Europe, it's just like if you used the Australian megadrive as an example.

>Again because it's a jap console that outputs 60hz native.

Congrat sherlock, and the fact that our TVs ate the 60Hz RGB this console outputted after being modded just prove that it we didn't have 50Hz consoles because of technical limitation, but because Brits were composite lovers (jut like you guys) and that releasing multiple models of the same consoles in Europe wasn't that profitable.

>>2321983

And here's the shitty photo of the inside of the cable that was shipped with the Megadrive in France. You can clearly see the SEGA logo as well as the 1987 Sega copyright.

>>2321983
>>2321984

>Pic related prove that you're telling shit. If it wasn't outputing RGB, why would cable have the RGB pins wired? Like I said, they convert the PAL composite signal to RGB, then output that same RGB signal. That why the video quality isn't that good in RGB.
How is that rgb? The console is outputting composite just like any other NES.

>There's no first party Japanese RGB cable, and the one I own is the official one, shipped with the French Megadrive, with the 1987 Sega copyright on the PCB inside that little box.
So more proprietary crap specific to PAL. That's good to you?
I can't even keep track of all the shit wrong with PAL stuff anymore.

>BR isn't Europe, it's just like if you used the Australian megadrive as an example.
You're talking about cables that no one but PALland uses. Finding specifics about your garbage isn't easy.

>Congrat sherlock, and the fact that our TVs ate the 60Hz RGB this console outputted after being modded just prove that it we didn't have 50Hz consoles because of technical limitation, but because Brits were composite lovers (jut like you guys) and that releasing multiple models of the same consoles in Europe wasn't that profitable.
composite has nothing to do with 50hz vs 60hz. And again the main cable used in PALland just like in 1st world Murika was composite.


Back to the main point, finding scart cables for a PS1 the most popular retro console is damn near impossible. Lucky to see 1 on ebay every 3 months. So much for you guys having widespread scart use. Only cables you can find are the box in ones. Complete bullshit.

>>2321994
The solution is always to build your own. You can buy a cheapo scart cable for 3 bucks, open it up and add grounding to get a high quality cable, albeit not shielded, which never matters unless you live in a microwave oven.

>>2322003
I don't need the cable. I already have a custom cable. I just want one and I can't find one. It's funny to see the talk from EU people about how they had all these scart cables yet I can't buy a PS1 scart cable? Funny.

>>2322005
Because they've been off the market for 20 fucking years. Consoles didn't ship with them, and most people didn't even realise the difference. Most houses I visited had composite to scart adapters, they came in the box with every console. It's hard for a kid to understand why 2 cables with the same ending give totally different pictures.

>>2322006
I can buy official SNES rgb cables.
I can buy official Saturn rgb cables.
I can buy "official" MegaDrive cables XMD 1 or w/e it was called.

All from Japan and pretty damn common minus the last one. None of those came packed in.

But a PS1 cable? Like I said lucky to see one every 3 months.

>>2321994

>How is that rgb? The console is outputting composite just like any other NES.

It's technically outputting RGB. The quality's not there because it's composite converted back to RGB, but the signal itself is RGB.

>So more proprietary crap specific to PAL. That's good to you?

You're retarded anon, every single cable used by any console is "proprietary crap". Also, you seems to master the art of dodging the point : the Master System an the Megadrive did have an RGB cable.

>ou're talking about cables that no one but PALland uses. Finding specifics about your garbage isn't easy.

Yeah, it sure is hard for retards like you. Well, at least you only had composite so you wouldn't be too confused with too many video standards.

>composite has nothing to do with 50hz vs 60hz.

You were saying that because of your poor little eyes you couldn't stand "inferior" yuro TVs because of the 50Hz video signal, I told you that it can display a 60Hz RGB video signal, then you said "uh oh no it can't, look at your consoles", and I told that our consoles are outputting a 50Hz because brits (and maybe some few other countries) are PAL composite signal lovers, and unlike us French and German who had (almost) every console shipped with an RGB cable (at least we did in France).

>Back to the main point, finding scart cables for a PS1 the most popular retro console is damn near impossible.

Maybe for retards like you, because a 10 second search and I find dozens of them for something like 5 bucks. Oh, maybe it doesn't count because they're third party, because Sony don't make SCART cables for a 1995 console anymore.

And finally, 14" monitors are perfectly fine, unless you site 2~2.5m away from it.

Anyway, last answer, I don't have anymore time to waste with dumb murricans who think they know everything about the world.

>>2322016
>It's technically outputting RGB. The quality's not there because it's composite converted back to RGB, but the signal itself is RGB.
Are you listening to yourself? The console is outputting composite, you literally just admitted it.

>I told you that it can display a 60Hz RGB video signal
This is a barefaced lie. PAL60 didn't appear on the consumer market until the late 90s, and most earlier TVs don't even have an RGB scart port.

>14" monitors are perfectly fine, unless you site 2~2.5m away from it.
A 20' barely takes up more space and gives you a much nicer viewing position. A 14" is only worth it if you have weak little girl arms.

>>2322016
>You're retarded anon, every single cable used by any console is "proprietary crap". Also, you seems to master the art of dodging the point : the Master System an the Megadrive did have an RGB cable.
All my NTSC U consoles use the same stuff as NTSC J. Nothing proprietary about American consoles. At least for cables.

>Yeah, it sure is hard for retards like you. Well, at least you only had composite so you wouldn't be too confused with too many video standards.
Right...

>You were saying that because of your poor little eyes you couldn't stand "inferior" yuro TVs because of the 50Hz video signal, I told you that it can display a 60Hz RGB video signal, then you said "uh oh no it can't, look at your consoles", and I told that our consoles are outputting a 50Hz because brits (and maybe some few other countries) are PAL composite signal lovers, and unlike us French and German who had (almost) every console shipped with an RGB cable (at least we did in France).
You seem to have some kind of personal problems against brits.

>Maybe for retards like you, because a 10 second search and I find dozens of them for something like 5 bucks. Oh, maybe it doesn't count because they're third party, because Sony don't make SCART cables for a 1995 console anymore.
Yet you can't link to one. Not a single one.

Man you're a joke.

>>2320182
You won't with an L2.

>>2321021
Some consoles seem to come with the 75ohm termination already built into the video out. They look really dim on some TVs and in particular on PVMs that auto-terminate. Thus the option to remove what would be a second 75R termination.

>>2322013
PS1 SCART cables are like fucking unicorns.
That retro_console_accessories ebay seller has entirely stopped selling them and they're notably absent from retrogamingcables.com.

I'm trying to track one down, but the way it's looking I may have to build my own.

>>2322021
>All my NTSC U consoles use the same stuff as NTSC J. Nothing proprietary about American consoles. At least for cables.
Are you totally forgetting JP21? America just got the dogshit end of the stick. Japan and the EU both had easy RGB cables and displays, America had neither. Hell, in terms of console design, the JP and euro designs were usually much closer, with America being relegated to ugly shit like the Genesis and SNES.

It's clear to anyone with a brain that the best places to live for retro gaming go Japan > Europe > America. The few consoles that require 50/60 mods are easy to perform and cost nothing, you can pick up an RGB CRT for free anywhere in Europe.

>>2322034
>the JP and euro designs were usually much closer
Here's your reply.

>>2322020
>Are you listening to yourself? The console is outputting composite, you literally just admitted it.

Dude it's technically outputting RGB, using a Red, Green and Blue signal, along with a sync signal.

>This is a barefaced lie. PAL60 didn't appear on the consumer market until the late 90s, and most earlier TVs don't even have an RGB scart port.

It was required by law since the early 80s for TVs to have a SCART socket in France. and unless your TV was low-end shit, it had supported RGB. In RGB there's nothing such as PAL or shit, there's no color encoding, and thanks to that, TVs could take a 60Hz video signal when using an RGB signal. Like you said, PAL60 only appeared in the mid 90s (my 1994 LD player can convert composite video from NTSC LDs to PAL60) and Brits were backward as alway, that's why we had 50Hz console.

>A 20' barely takes up more space and gives you a much nicer viewing position. A 14" is only worth it if you have weak little girl arms.

Say the guy with such delicate eyes he can't handle a 50Hz video signal. I own several CRT sizes, 20" included, and no, 14" is far from being bad.

>>2322021

>All my NTSC U consoles use the same stuff as NTSC J. Nothing proprietary about American consoles. At least for cables.

There's nothing proprietary with Din8 jacks either, nor with SCART.

>You seem to have some kind of personal problems against brits.

You guys think Europe = the UK.

>Yet you can't link to one. Not a single one.

I linked to 2 cables but you said "uh no! They're no good! I want an official one that haven't been produced since 1998"

>Man you're a joke.

You're some pretty good one too. Thanks for the laugh.

>>2322030
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/6-Ft-Scart-AV-PVC-Cable-For-Sony-PlayStation-PS3-PS2-PSone-RGB-TV-AV-Lead-Cable-/181600620921?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item2a483d9179

Claims to be real RGB...though i'd question the seller to make sure. Either way it has the bits on either end, so you could just re-cable it.

>>2321984

Real RGB indeed. The box here takes RGB from the console, builds and inserts a SECAM-compatible sync, and adds both VDD and BLANK lines (so the TV automatically switches to the correct input when turning on the console). The end result is still pure RGB.

More info here: http://www.segakore.fr/articles/mod_cable_rgb_fr_md.html

>>2321994
>Back to the main point, finding scart cables for a PS1 the most popular retro console is damn near impossible.

You're kidding, right?

>>2321994
>How is that rgb? The console is outputting composite just like any other NES.

French guy here. The console (Megadrive) outputs unmodified RGB. The NES however was a disaster, internally working with composite and with a cheap Composite-to-RVB converter built-in. In the end, the Megadrive (and Master System, and SC3000, etc) had a beautiful picture, while the NES looked like someone smeared vomit all over the tube. No wonder it wasn't that popular here.

>>2321994
>I can't even keep track of all the shit wrong with PAL stuff anymore.
Oh fuck, it's you again. Why do I even bother with your bullshit? Do everyone a service, stop spreading lies, and just go die in a fire already.

>>2322029
Thanks, do you also know what a sync cleaner does? Just out of interest

So how good is this monitor for emulation? It's got the standard dsub VGA and BNC inputs. Can it handle 50hz PAL content? Is it good for arcade games that run at non-standard refresh rates (55hz) via GroovyMAME & RetroArch?

>>2322129
If both are still available, which should I pick up - PVM-20N6 or PVM-2030?
It looks like I'd need to find a VGA-to-Dsub25 cable to use the 2030 for RGB.

>>2322403
didn't mean to quote

there's a shop near me with two 27 inch Trinitrons for $15 each. No clue what models, but they look like 90's era screens, and are the first one's I've seen for sale in about two years.

I'm going to buy one of them, but I want to check the screens first. However I'd rather not bring a Dreamcast with me just to do that, is there a version of 240p test suite or similar that runs on a psp?

>>2322769

Sega MegaJet + Everdrive + 240p Test Suite rom

>>2322129
With the proper modelines, it can handle 50Hz content, yes. Keep in mind it does not support 15KHz, though, so you'll have to either put up with line-doubling or refresh rate doubling.

You guys know if this would be any good? It's free. It would replace my Gateway EV700.

>>2323020
Can't help but feel there's a catch somewhere.

>>2323031
Maybe that it's a 15 year old monitor?

>>2323036
You might be onto something real here.

>>2322101
>what a sync cleaner does?
Cleans the line you're using for Sync, of course ;)

The LM1881 does this using a diode and an op amp in a feedback loop. This strips the sync out, and feeds out composite sync, which will normally do for horizontal sync in anything that needs it. The composite sync signal is cleaned further to produce vertical sync, which VGA uses where most SDTV's do not.

Mosr PVMs and all newer PVMs are fine with composite as sync, and presumably do something like the above but internally.

>>2322403
...probably... the.. 2030? That is, if you won't even need S-Video. It does sound like you can feed it Analog RGB, assuming you have a scart setup to break the high-level signal from...? And it might come with its own speakers too.

>>2323269
doesn't look like it has speakers. it was posted 6 days ago and they didnt respond to me today so I think I may have missed out :(

>>2323281
Can't tell anything from that pic. On the larger models with that cage the speakers fold out from the side of the set. Pic related. Doesn't mean to say they're still attached, or even that they were there to begin with in individual cases.

>>2323059
>>2323036
>>2323031
>>2323020
if its free then just go get it.

>>2323379
The pickup spot is probably at a black van behind a ChuckECheez.

>>2319970
Cool. I will finally be able to work on it tomorrow afternoon - gonna try to make my own strips. I'll try to remember to post again when I either fix it or get tired of fooling with it.

>>2323281
U dun fucked up. That looks like a progressive scan Wega too

>>2323397
To some people old CRTs are just junk that they'd rather give away than hang on to. They might not even realize that people would pay money for the..

>>2323601
I don't think he's bought those, i think those are the seller's pics...?

>>2323694
correct, but I think he was saying I fucked up by missing out on the deal.
welp, back to my 14" :/

>>2323774
It happens man. Can't tell you how many I've missed out on. Guess that's part of the fun though.

>>2323774
me and muh friends crt list.
2 sony trinitron monitors, 1 16:9 480p wega, 2 20inch pvms, 1 wega 240p 32inch, 1 25 inch pvm. lifes gewd

How do you guys take pictures that good? Every picture I take turn out like crap even if the game looks good on my CRT.

>>2324145
First step is to get closer to the screen. It helps to have a camera that you can manually adjust the aperture/shutter aka not a phone.

Well damn. My CRT is starting to flicker to black for a second every few minutes and makes a bunch of clicking sounds when I turn it off. What could be happening?

>pic related, the monitor

>>2324430
>DON'T BUY CHINESE
A good but difficult lifestyle, it's not easy to avoid new electronics and stuff that are made there.
>the other stuff taped to the frame
I honestly don't want to know why, what's the purpose or if this is supposed to be decorative.
>your problem
Yes, this is not good if it wasn't so before.
You can open it up and look if some damage or bulged capacitor there.
Maybe some internal cable is loose or dry solder joints.
>makes a bunch of clicking sounds when I turn it off.
Are you sure it isn't the typical electrostatic crackle common among CRTs?

>>2324430
Damn I don't remember that last time I needed a usb to ps2 connector. Let alone needed them so badly I taped them to my monitor.

>>2324452
>>2324457
To answer two questions, "DON'T BUY CHINESE" is for the BROKEN converters I bought straight from China I have taped to the monitor. I finally bought one from California today, hope this one works out.

Anyway, it wasn't doing any of this before. It would click once or twice when I turned it off and now it clicks like 10 times and a lot faster.
The screen never flickered before. And just now it just started making long drawn out static sounds and is flickering even more.

>>2324482
Probably a power problem.

>>2324482
I have the feeling that either the caps are blown or there are dry solder joints in the high voltage or power supply circuits but i don't have much experience with computer monitors, only 15khz TVs.

>>2324486
>>2324503
Yeah, I thought it might be something to do with the power supply. I planned on picking up another soon anyway. Thanks

>>2324005
respectable - wish i had friends but i moved states recently and now online is the only time i see them

>>2324145
what game is that, anon?

So where would I find on of these? None on craigslist or ebay. Some dickhead on /g/ has like 10 of them.

>>2324482
or are you talking about the horizontal sync?

>>2324169
Are good cameras cheaper nowadays? I was under the impression phone cameras are considered to be real decent now.

>>2324594
Princess Crown.

>>2325104
they are decent, but they lack many options.

>>2325104
Phone cameras are decent its just that some phones dont let you adjust the settings very much. I use my phone for pics. Crts are hard to take pictures/videos because you have to sync with the refresh rate also the color is usually inaccurate whenever I take pics.

>>2325210
>>2325213
Okay then, assuming I get a decent camera what are the settings I should aim for?

>>2325219
Probably a shutter speed above 1/60 or else you will get a blur effect which can be cool looking. ISO setting should be lower than 100 or you get noise. Then pick whatever aperture gets rid of sync bars or whatever. Turn lights off or you get reflection. Oh also if you have a camera with macro mode you can take pictures of the rgb phosphors on the crt which is cool.

>>2324145
princess crown is a great game to show off btw. I wish I owned it.
>>2325219
Also get a dslr camera otherwise most phones are similar to point&shoots.

>>2325225
>>2325238
Tried messing around with a shitty old camera that was laying around. It's an improvement but still looks pretty bad.

>>2325336
looking good. the colors are vibrant. If you want you can also get a cheap tripod so you dont have to hold the camera.

>>2325342
Tried playing around with it some more. The TV itself isn't all that good but these pictures are coming out weird I think.

I might have a tri-pod somewhere too but now I'm just experimenting.

Bought a DC VGA box a long time ago just for shits, but never got to getting a TV/monitor compatible with it.

I remember my friend had a TV that had a VGA input, but he can't recall what it was. Are there any decent ones floating around that I should keep an eye open for?

hey /vr/ I came here a while ago about my bvm 20f1u having a problem and kya helped me. Its good now that I replaced the faulty scart cable.

Does anyone have their alignment settings for bvm 20f1u to share?

>>2325524
You're best off just getting an old PC monitor. I think some of the later Wega's had VGA, they'd probably be the best choice for a secondary monitor because of 480p+ and widescreen for 6th gen.

Any experiences on a Trinitron KV-25B5E model? (FE-1 chassis).

My friend told me his parents are looking to get rid of that one so I thought I'll pick it up next week when I'm on the area.

It's one of those 90's euro Trinitrons but according to the manual it should have 50/60hz support.

>>2324430
>>2324769

This is what I just got a electron 22 blue new old stock and its a beast ... got it for free but had to drive like 200km to get it ...

It does 2048 x 1536 at 85Hz with no flicker or any other problem

Is /vr/ jelly of my Lacie ?
yea /vr/ is jelly just as /g/ is ...

>>2325895
That thing looks like cheap ugly shit.

>>2325996

www.cnet.com/products/lacie-electron-22blue-iii-crt-monitor-22-series/specs/

its details suggest its one of the top end CRT monitors

go hate elsewhere jellyfag

>>2325996
Wow, you're really stupid lel

I realise that no matter what you do, the n64 will always look like shit due to it's bilinear filtering/AA

But what would be the way to get it looking it's best on a 40" HDTV? Would a frameister help for n64?

>>2326632
dont use composite cables for starters. You can mod the n64 for rgb scart but at least use s-video. Yes you would need a upscaler for a lcd to look decent.

>>2326650
My hdtv only has Composite and Component. Can RGB output to component instead of SCART? scart was never on any of the tv's in this country.

>>2326657
What you do is mod the n64 for rgb. Then you buy a scart cable off ebay or someplace. Then you buy a scart-to-component converter/transcoder. Unless you want to make your own custom cables. Scart is the most common type of cable to get rgb but you usually need a way to convert it.

Posted this in the wrong thread.

How do I shop for a CRT monitor? Besides size and inputs I've never really been able to find any useable specs that set one monitor apart from another, considering all craigslist finds are like 85hz 1024x768 at 17".

I'm looking for one for my brother who makes decent money but already has a QNIX QHD LCD, so I'd say I'm looking for something with a high static contrast ratio, accurate colors, and ideally shadow-mask, for $1-300 unless it isn't a substantial upgrade over the $10 craigslist finds.

>>2328006
> and ideally shadow-mask
Why ? There are numerous triniclones available, and those are usually on the higher end models, greatly narrowing search to screen size, basically.

Finally going to play PS II after owning it for so long (like a year).

>>2328079
I like the general geometry of how it displays low-res images. Neither of us really play many games with pixel art, so for stuff like Heroes III it makes the organic shapes look a lot rounder while still staying crisp and pretty. But I've never really heavily used a trini, so maybe it's not actually a problem on those.

>>2328154
did you change the battery ?

>>2328079
I like the general geometry of how it displays low-res images. Neither of us really play many games with pixel art, so for stuff like Heroes III it makes the organic shapes look a lot rounder while still staying crisp and pretty. The main problem I have with lcd's is the square pixel layout and the inorganic look of images. But I've never really heavily used a trini, so maybe it's not actually a problem on those.

>>2328157
aperture grille doesn't really affect pixel geometry on a comp monitor. In fact, it might even be beneficial for that effect you seek, as there's a lot more electrons hitting the phosphors compared with a mask.

>>2328163
No, but it still has OG saves from prior owner.

>>2328184
you should then, it can die at any moment now.

Who TATE here? I don't think I've tried rotating this monitor yet and I'm happy to see that it sits perfectly on its side. Didn't break my back trying to rotate it too. I want to try my 20L5 soon but that is much harder to handle and I don't want to drop it.

>>2328253
I've only used a 14" Triton (flatscreen) in tate.

don't think I would mess with the 20L5 for that.

A curved screen is also way my exaggerated in Tate.

looks great on that monitor though.

>>2328253
I've only used a 14" Triton (flatscreen) in tate.

don't think I would mess with the 20L5 for that.

A curved screen is also way more exaggerated in Tate.

looks great on that monitor though.

>>2328475
It was pretty dizzying at first. I usually only play shmups in normal mode on my 20L5 so there's always a bit of pillarboxing and you don't get the full resolution. Having the full resolution at 21" about 2 feet away was a little much at first. But it is glorious. Web browsing like this is amazing too.

/v/irgin here, is there a retro gaming site or store in the Seattle area that I can sell my parents old CRT to? I just want it to go to a good home and to someone who can get some use out of it, rather than dumping it on some poor family through craigslist.

It's a 36" JVC.

>>2328615
I don't think I've ever seen a retro shop sell CRTs. And a 36" is going to be real tough to get rid of.

The few times I've been to Seattle I've been to this store called Pink Gorilla that has a bunch of retro and import games. You can check with them but I think even their demo setup has an LCD.

>>2328615
>36"
Good luck.

>>2328475

Wow, what is this from?

Niiiice!

>>2328253
Only things I can see myself putting into TATE would be the PVM or the 32fs13. The former would be a bother due to all the stuff on it and I don't know whether the rear piece of plastic of the latter could support it.

The Mitsubishi would certainly be interesting to TATE.

my crt has a little bit of screen tilt (very noticeable if you look at the borders), is there any way I can fix this without being electrocuted? any help would be greatly appreciated!

>>2329920
Not sure but I have a similar issue with my sony Trinitron. It looks kinda like its melting on the bottom left of the picture. Have messed with the settings a lot and can't find a fix.

>>2329920
>>2329936
I fixed an EDTV with this problem by opening it up, removing the rubber chocks around the yoke and gently but firmly twisting the whole yoke until the picture was level. Then reinserted the chocks.

I'd recommend discharging the tube and staying away from the neckboard insofar as you can doing that. And keep the power off while you work, just turn it on to test progress. Ground everything before you touch it each time, and watch where you put your hands.

>>2330090
i should add that my tv was titled, didn't have geometry problems like >>2329936 - that one might be a job for some permalloy convergence strips. Youtube that. Same rules apply regarding safety, save that to adjust the edge convergence you'll have to do it live. I've never done that, so no idea how fiddly it's going to be.

DOS games look so much better in 200p than they do in 400p.

>>2330095

It's a matter of taste bud, cause I think otherwise.

>>2330095
Yeah line doubling is a form of upscaling and CRTs work best when displaying native resolution.

>>2330579
but VGA games are always displayed at 70Hz and 400 lines even when games themselves have 200 lines of resolution

I just ordered a VGA to S-Video adapter so I can use my 13 inch CRT as a third monitor primarily for emulators and old video games. Did I do good, or is this going to open a brand new world of problems to try and get it to work?

>>2330664
Assuming it's for a gpu the gpu needs to support it.

>>2330670
R9 270x. I've used a VGA adapter to plug it into an older monitor that only supported VGA in the past, so I just assumed this will work too.

>>2330090
>>2330093
Sounds like an interesting method but I don't really wanna put that much effort in. Just gonna keep my eyes out at thrift stores and yard sales for a new one. Sad thing is I saw a beautiful sony Trinitron like mine but a little smaller at a yard sale a few months ago but passed on it. The picture doesn't bother me that much and for some reason its only noticeable with certain games mainly rpg's.

>>2330674
Assuming you just bought a cable with an HD15 "VGA" connector on one end and an S-Video connector on the other, it will not work. Going from VGA to S-Video would require a signal convertor of some type to take the 31khz+ sync and RGB of VGA and turn it into 15khz luma and chroma.

The VGA adapter you used before connected to the DVI output, yes? The reason this worked is that the card likely uses DVI-I, meaning it can also carry analog video signals compatible with VGA monitors.

>>2330590
Emulation doesn't force you to use that. With DOSBox, 200p at 60hz is possible.

>>2328615
Shame, that's a gorgeous set. A friend of mine had one that he got for a deal because the casing was damaged. Used to play SNES on it all the time (he had a massive SNES collection). I think his he ended up giving it to his father before he moved out, and he still uses it.

>>2330894
Too bad most computer monitors can't sync to 15kHz.

>>2330923
>Too bad most computer monitors can't sync to 15kHz.

More like VGA/SVGA monitors. CGA and EGA monitors were synched at 15kHz,

What do you guys consider to be the ideal size for a CRT for retro gaming?

I recently had a 32", which was fucking huge and too heavy, but I honestly did like the picture as long as I was going component or s-video. Composite looked like shit, though, and some things like interlacing were extremely noticeable, regardless of input.

I used to have an old 17" when I was younger that I recalled liking a lot. Thinking I might try to find something in that ballpark. 14" is a bit too small for my taste. What do you guys have?

>>2330950
For sake of not starting another shit storm. Just go what you like.

>>2330954
...this starts a shitstorm? Jesus, this place is getting as bad as /v/...

>>2330961
The 3rd world people really really really like their 14" TVs man. Who knew?

>>2330950
Personally, 20" 4:3 is the perfect size for a main set. Just big enough that you can play everything, not too big that you need 2 buddies to help you move it everywhere.

Then you need a 25"+ 16:9 CRT that supports 480p for the non-retro era, and any old LCD for anything better.

>>2330950
Completely depends on the distance you prefer to sit from your CRT. After having used primarily a 14" at a desk I've fallen in love with 20" when I got my first 20" PVM.

In my opinion as far as space and being able to handle the display goes I prefer nothing bigger than 20" simply because everything over that is a real pain to move around.

>tfw it is almost time to move my family's old 35"

Pic related is my bed setup with my PVM-1910 that I took randomly last night before going to sleep.

>>2330962
Oh come on, don't instigate, dude. I said 14 inches was too small for me, but if space is an issue and you're going to be sitting close, 14 inches is probably just fine, especially if it's a secondary TV that's JUST for retro gaming.

Fuck, I remember playing N64 at my neighbor's house on a shitty, 10" CRT with geometry so bad I couldn't see my health bar in Killer Instinct.

>>2330971
>putting consoles on top
I can never get the wires to not hover over the screen.

I love the top for storage, though. Whenever I want to play a new console, I just cycle them around, a 20" can hold 5 or 6 consoles without even stacking them. I need to get around to building a shelving system for my desk, so I can have all the consoles in a big block next to the monitor.

>>2330972
I had a shitty small CRT playing on my SNES in the 90s. I remember my Family upgrades to a 20somthing inch CRT just before we got a N64/PS1.
I don't like small TVs.

I recently picked up a PVM-1390 on craigslist.

I only tested the svideo port, since thats what i would use mostly.
I plugged in my genny to the composite bnc input and the video has horizontal waves scrolling from top to bottom.

Is that a known issue? I haven't opened it up yet but I assume I'll find some bulging caps and ten years of dust/bugs/shit.

Any ideas before I tear it open?
I couldn't find any similiar issues with my specific pvm on google...

>>2330976
Since I don't sit that far away I never need the full length so I can guide the wires around the screen. That 1910 isn't flat and has kind of a lip like most PC monitors which is enough to hold the wire back. My 14" monitors are great because of the little handles on the front I just loop around them.

Just bought my first CRT in years to play my SNES on and to run my Wii emulators through. Even with the iffy quality of the TV I bought it's a whole different world. Playing on an LED was so distracting even with the filters.

do you guys have the names of aperture grille other than trinitron ? Can be useful in search of a triniclone monitor.
Mitsubishi : Diamondtron
LG : Flatron
Viewsonic : Sonictron
NEC : Chromaclear (evolution of AG tech)
Iiyama : Truflat

If you have other names, add em, might also be a good idea to put in the next sticky.

>>2331281
>Iiyama : Truflat
TrueFlat actually

>>2316902
Its caused by the thin white line right over pluge. I can`t really explain what causes it but it happens often in areas of high contrast. Its fearly normal for CRTs as the components that keep the picture stable in that regard get older.

>>2330986
No idea what's causing it, but would love to hear how you get on. I'm assuming the front controls have little effect.

the 1390 is a sexy beast.

>>2331296
Interesting. I've seen that before, and will have a better look next time...

>>2330950
Depends where you are and what you're doing. I have a few sets, and 20" is nice from the couch, while the 8" I just got is very cute and fun to use on the desktop :)

>>2330971
what year model is that?
i have a pvm 2590, it has the light up buttons on the side. 94' year on mine

Since some games like chrono trigger were made with the blur of crts in mind, does that mean I have to use lower quality cables like composite to get the most accurate colors and picture as possible, or will it be fine as long as it's a crt? Kinda new to crts.

Pic related. I don't want to end up with something that looks like the left.

>>2330976
wrap the cord around the console like this and it will not end up in front of the screen during play.

>>2331514

S-Video is a good middle ground. Even with RBG, no CRT is going to be completely free of blur.

>>2331539

Are there any downsides to using s-video over composite?

>>2331564
Finding quality wires is a bitch these days.

If you're concerned with authenticity for what ever reason just stick to composite.

>>2331514
>>2331567
You're never going to end up with anything like the left on a CRT, so go as highest as you can. Don't both with composite, get S-Video at least. I can't vouch for quality wires though. I have a good set that I got years ago and haven't had to look.

>>2331567

Does anyone know of any specific games where composite is more accurate than s-video? Or am I just overthinking this?

>>2331601
You're over thinking it. 99% of people used composite back in the day across the world.

>>2331514
What game is this? I'd like to test this out.

I am TRIGGERED
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHh5RsoHtrc

>>2331621

I think it's Snatcher. Maybe Policenaughts.

>>2331624
That's how he enjoys his games. What's wrong?

>>2331429
1986

Redid the Klonoa video from last thread; No gameplay, just the intro and attract. Mitsubishi is doing RGB rather than incorrectly terminated composite this time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yVgvWkqL5U

>>2331621
Google suggests Super Contra. Arcade version if I had to guess.

>>2331514

After a long search I've finally found a site where I can get a RGB scart cable for my Playstation but now I can choose between a cable with composite video + sync and one with luma sync. Witch one do I need?
I have a Pal Playstation and I am using a PVM 1440QM and a 2130QM (might get a PVM 14L2)

>>2332959
Luma sync is better for some reason or another but my older monitor doesn't like it.

15khz RGB is apparently disabled for Third Strike.

I don't get it.

>>2332984
>Luma sync is better for some reason or another
That reason being it's not carrying the colour information and thus provides a cleaner signal to pull the sync from.

>>2332959
Given the PVM-1442QM doesn't take composite as sync, your 1440QM probably won't either. The 2130 has a SCART port for RGB, which uses composite through that plug.

Anyone know if SCART will use luma as sync? I think it does but i'm not a SCART region expert. If it does, get the SCART luma cable and use a breakout for the 1440QM.

>>2333303
SCART as a standard is expected to use composite video as sync. Anything else is technically non standard.
You could obviously have a cable wired up with luma on pin 20, but whether it'll actually work is based entirely on the given monitor or television.
If a certain set would accept S-Video via SCART, I'd figure that it wouldn't mind sync on luma, but I have no idea if any of the PVMs with actual SCART connectors actually do.

Can anyone identify the model of this?

>>2333596
Dell computer monitor model

>>2333320
Thinking about it, I'm pretty sure luma will work fine on pin 20. If the other RGB signals and the blanking signal are used, and considering the probable way any TV would pull sync from CVBS using a diode setup, it should just pull the sync from luma the same way.

>>2332984
>>2333303
>>2333320
>>2333698

Thanks for the info!
I will get the luma cable than

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=CKf7Oc60fVM#t=1302

>>2333842
>dat sexy as fuck vertical crt for easy tate.
>"quite affordable at under 10k."

This video game be a boner and I want all those monitors.

>>2333842
>Dat 37" DiamondTron with RGB and VGA
DO FUCKING WANT

Hey guys, does anyone know the model of this crt? Some dude not too far from where I live is giving away 7 crt's for free. He's got 2 sonys, 3 Sharps, 1 LG and 1 tcl.

>>2334125
Dumping rest, sorry to spam your thread

>>2334127

>>2334128

>>2334129
>clearly philips

>>2334136
Cool...do you know the model name?

>>2334125
>>2334127
>>2334128
>>2334129
>>2334151
ask the seller.

kids these days, i swear.

>>2334125
I'll be shocked if anyone on /vr/ can identify a CRT model just by a photo. Maybe the Sony. An easy answer is to pick one of the Sony models that you like and check the geometry.

>>2334125
>>2334127
>>2334128
>>2334129
None of those are anything special. The Sonys might be decent if they don't have geometry issues (VERY common on that series)

>>2334127
Not sure about the first one, but the second Sony looks like an FV310.

>>2334019
>37" DiamondTron
"Diamond Pro".
Check the shape of the tube, it's a shadowmask. Still a bit early for copycat Trinitrons at that point.

So when looking for a crt, should I go for a specific resolution? The guide says that the 480p ones have the disadvantages of of an hdtv, should I only go for CRTs with lower resolutions then? Is something like 1080i too high?

>>2334385
if you just read that a resolution of 480p had the same issues as hdtvs.
hdtvs are 1080i/p

what do you think?

get a standard definition crt. you'll know its SD because it won't be HD. you know it's HD because it'll say it, plus dvi/hdmi inputs

google is your friend but we won't be if you keep asking questions that can be found within the thread or in archives or the first result on google.

This was the scene at my local Goodwill in the warehouse today. 99 cents each. If I was looking for something to fill my time with I'd probably cherry pick the quality ones and put them on Craigslist for some nominal markup like $5 just to meet local retro gamers and contribute to the community.

Still though, at least you guys can be happy that there are some places out there that CRTs are neither so desirable as to be expensive nor so worthless as to be trashed. For now anyway.

>>2334385
The best bet if you're looking for retro stuff is to wait for a decent PVM or BVM to be available cheap in your area.

Second best is a widescreen Wega with 480p support, which are great for 6th gen stuff. Or an old PC CRT if you're only interested in Dreamcast.

A very distant third is any CRT that isn't either 480p, or a PVM. Nice thick scanlines make retro shit look fucking amazing, and pro stuff knocks it out of the park. There sadly isn't much of a reason to pick one of these up unless you're looking for an old very large screen for light gun gaming.

>>2334385
>not getting a multisync monitor
LEL

>tfw no fw900

TFW
NO
FW900

>>2334450
life is truly suffering
i want one of these so badly

>buy Konami Hyperblaster
>has some weird issue where it only works a certain distance from the TV
>a couple of hours in, I realise I should just turn up the brightness
>works perfectly from 10 feet away
Confused the shit out of me after using a Guncon, those things are insanely accurate thanks to the video cable. Playing Project Horned Owl washed out is a little disappointing, but better than not being able to shoot because of a shitty sensor. The joys of early peripherals.

>>2334363
>Diamond Pro
Ah shit.
I'm pretty sure it would still be fucking awesome, though.

>>2334443
Is a VGAbox the only option for Dreamcast 480p or can I use SCART on my 20L5?

>>2334754
Yes

>>2334578
Same general style of monitor as the Megaviews, so I'm sure of it.

>>2334754
I'm sure if you felt like it, you could put together some type of solution to pipe it to your L5, but the Dreamcast in VGA mode outputs RGBHV only. You'd need to throw something in there that would either combine H with V and hope your monitor accepts RGBS at 480p, OR find a way to merge those two into the Green line for RGsB.

For the former:
http://gamesx.com/wiki/doku.php?id=av:dreamcast_480i-480p_scart_cable

What do I need for RGB on a PVM from a PSX? I was looking at the SCART to BNC adapter, but it says it doesn't work with sync-on-green. Does that refer to what the cable outputs? I.e. it won't work with monitors that don't accept external sync. Sync-on-green isn't even a thing when it comes to SCART, right? Also, do I need to strip sync? Sorry for the dumb questions, I'm pretty new to this. Will continue googling, but a lot of the answers I find just confuse me further.

>>2335013
A SCART to BNC adapter should be fine, but using a PS2 with component cables, assuming you've got BNC to RCA converters already, is going to be the easier option.

>>2335024
The only thing I currently have it the monitor; I bought it yesterday, so haven't had a lot of time getting any of the other stuff.

>>2322030
That's why I have three sets. My Official PlayStation 2 SCART is boxed and has the original receipt too.

U jelly?

>>2335048
I just realised you weren't even talking about Official cables. Please.

>>2335013

I have a 20M2U too, and I use a BNC adapter bought on retrogamingcable with a RGB scart for my PS1 (a true RGB scart, be careful with that) bought on amazon, the sync works with the component cable. Just plug the RGB bnc, and the yellow cable BNC in the EXT SYNC IN, that will be fine.

>>2335075
20M2E*

>>2335013
>>2335034
> I was looking at the SCART to BNC adapter, but it says it doesn't work with sync-on-green. Does that refer to what the cable outputs?
Assuming it's just a plain cable, it''ll accept just about anything you send down it. Whether or not a given display will accept said signal is what it comes down to. In most cases, you wouldn't see RGsB(Sync-on-Green) going over SCART.

>Sync-on-green isn't even a thing when it comes to SCART, right?
No. SCART as a standard has sync on its own line.

>Also, do I need to strip sync?
We'd need to know the model to be absolutely sure, but the fact that it's new enough to accept component makes me pretty sure that it'd be fine with composite video for sync. In short, no.


As the anon said, if you have a PS2 to use, a component cable and a few of these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/121085222974 , will do you good.

Otherwise, a breakout cable equivalent to this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/201316752319 , and an appropriate RGB SCART cable should get you on you're way.

The same BNC to RCA adapters, paired with a component+composite cable would also work. That is, a cable similar to: http://www.ebay.com/itm/361178384550 , with both component and composite leads.

>>2333842
now he works for NEC, lol

>>2335091
>on you're way.

Where to find PVMs for dirt cheap? I'd be okay with the ebay prices if didn't cost 50 bucks just to ship a 14" TV.

Would places like hospitals even still have old CRT monitors laying around in storage somewhere? I feel like they must've cleared them all out by now.

>>2335102
>Where to find PVMs for dirt cheap?
2005

>>2333842
>>2335094

>>2335145
>1024x768 interlaced

People actually did such a thing?

>>2335149
they still do sometimes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVc3_Wgqu_c

>>2335102
if you're in a city, set a craigslist alert

>>2335091
>a component+composite cable would also work. That is, a cable similar to: http://www.ebay.com/itm/361178384550 , with both component and composite leads.
Careful: the xbox ones switch between one or the other. So you won't get composite & component out at the same time. No idea about the PS connector though, but it *looks* ok.

>>2335264
I meant just in the case of Playstation. My current setup for PS2 based RGB output is a component cable connected into a guncon breakout for sync, so the console is definitely okay with both being output at once. Once it switches to progressive scan though, composite goes out the window.
Dreamcast also seems to cut off composite and s-video when display any type of RGB.
Despite this, the Megaview doesn't like what ever the hell it's sending along the composite line for sync.

>>2335102
We do need to write up a quick list of places to try, and what to say. The current pastebin is a start.

I'll put something together and see if Kya et al are happy to update the pastebin

>>2335264
Oh shit, after looking back at that link, I see what you mean. I thought you meant the console itself wouldn't output both at the same time.
Good catch on that.
I doubt they'd put a switch like that for the PS connector, but you never know.

Either way, that was meant more so to be an example rather than a cable to actually buy.

>>2335275
I really have been terrible with updating that, haven't I.

Contributions are obviously welcome; God knows when I'll get around to writing something new to add to it.

>>2335149

Yes, I still do it on my good ol' i486-based PC when running Windows 3.11.

>>2316873
I decided to final pick up a couple Sony pvm's too see if the picture quality was really all that.

And I'll be god damned if this isn't one Of the top 3 best crt tvs I've owned.
>pic related

>>2335075
What defines a 'true' RGB SCART?

>>2335735
If I had to guess, one that's correctly wired up for RGB and not one carrying only composite.

>>2335485
What else in the top 3? Looking for a new CRT, but I can't afford a PVM. I have 27 inch trinitron right now with terrible geometry.

To the other anon who bought from Auschoice recently, or anyone else who can help:

I'm after a key for the drawer of an older BVM. Can anyone upload some high-res photos of one from each side? I will be eternally in your debt...

No Prizes for guessing my BVM-2010P arrived today. The small pallet it was on was ripped in half. It didn't have much foam around it, and it looks like someone has dropped a cinderblock on it from four floors up, or just dropped the whole thing pallet and all. Cosmetically i don't mind, i can take it off and hammer it out maybe, but there's components right underneath and they've definitely been impacted.

The tube is intact and it powers on, but it's not very bright, and after a few minutes it sometimes instantly drops to like 5% brightness and won't go any higher. Oddly power cycling does nothing, but reseting the video source (my wii) fixes it. However, plugging and unplugging the running wii from the set does nothing to fix it, but plugging that same wii still running into another PVM i have works perfectly. Thoughts, gentlemen?

>>2335776
Oh, you're not guessing, you know that's what he meant :)

>>2335048
I'm jelly.
There's one on ebay right now for $100.

>>2335792
Not him, but if you don't want another Trinitron, I once owned a JVC I'Art that was pretty damn slick looking.

How old is your Trinitron? I find most of the later models to be among the best, as well.

>>2335792
Sorry bro but if you can't afford a pvm, which is on the lower end price wise below bvms and other professional monitors, you won't afford my other top 2.
Save some cash up, and keep hunting.

>>2335792
>I can't afford a PVM
I payed $20 for my 1271q and $30 for my 1353md with another 20" monitor. You can afford a PVM friend, you just gotta know where to look.

>>2336005
any tips on finding one? None listed in my area for craigslist...

hot damn my sony pvm-1390 is dirty as all hell inside.

i can't find any obvious issues.... although i'm kinda timid to start touching things..
i'll try to get a picture showing the scrolling line issue i have.

anyone have a service manual for it? i can't find one online.

>>2336018
Check if you have any medical suppliers in the area. Also checking ebay for the closest auctions can also provide good results. I kinda don't want to reveal the biggest super specialist easiest place to find PVMs because at least half of Ohio browses 4chan but keep looking around and I'm sure you'll find something.

>>2336019
>although i'm kinda timid to start touching things..

And you're right, don't start touching things if you don't have discharged both the tube and the fly-back transformer, unless you're tweaking with the potentiometers with one hand when displaying test patterns on the screen, using insulated gloves and a screwdriver.

>>2336032
i know of all the precautions, but this is actually the first time opening a crt up so i'm... a little nervous, i guess, and rightfully so.

i'm currently looking for telltale signs of why i'm having issues with compsite, so i haven't touched anything.

no bulging caps, no dry/cold solder joints, the thing is mint inside, other than the dust.

i shouldn't be worried sticking a tiny vacuum brush in there to suck some dust out, should i? with one had, of course.

i don't want to take it outside to blow it out with air, since it's raining and has been for a week with no stop in sight.

>>2335792
Honestly I would say that if you live in Euroland, you can find a very good CRT with the fraction of the price of a PVM. Hell, often you can just get it for free. Sony Trinitrons are reliable, go-to models, but Panasonic's LX series and JCV/Phillips CRT's are also good.

>>2335776
And how do I know that? Can I figure that out from looking at the cable? Or do I have to try and see from the quality?

>>2336343
by looking at the inside of the scart connector, yes.

Got RGB scart cable for Mega Drive 2 today.
Well i tested it and with MD it gave me black & white picture, but when i used 32X it gave me color picture.
I don't have any mods in either of my systems so does any one know why this is?

>>2336352
I have it right here; what am I looking for?

>>2336392
Opening and seeing if the pins that carry R, G, and B are actually connected.
If you require a breakout cable to use it with a given television/monitor, and it works, there should be any real need to open it up, as the TV wouldn't be displaying much of anything if they weren't. Technically, something using composite video for sync might give the slightest of images, but you'd need the contrast and brightness cranked all the way to pick any of it out.

This is more something with euro TVs which would just display the composite signal.

https://nashville.craigslist.org/sys/4970080408.html

>you will never have these monitors

>>2336578
People who do this shit are the fucking worst. If you're going to flip a room you probably got for 10 bucks, at least partition it out.

>>2336602
I live less than a mile away from this guy, might as well just break in and grab a couple.

>>2336032
Not him, but how do you specifically discharge the flyback? Will grounding the ultor take care of both the tube and the flyback?

>>2336720
Poke it with a screwdriver wired to your cold water pipe, and hope that flimsy handle and cheap gloves protect you from death.

Or just unplug the set for a couple of weeks, leave it turned on to be sure.

Okay, last PSX/SCART question.

I have an RGB SCART cable, so the only thing I need is something to convert in to BNC. I've been looking at the adapter from Retro Gaming Cables, which seems perfect. There are two versions of it, though: one that strips sync, and one that doesn't. From what I gather it seems most PVMs should be fine without stripping it, so I'm guessing either is ok. Now my question is: is there any reason to strip sync if I don't need to? Is it in any way a performance improvement? Or is there any reason why I wouldn't want to (e.g. another console outputs just sync on the same pin, and that causes incompatibility or something, no idea what really)? I don't really care about the money, I'd rather not skimp now just to wish I'd bought the better one later down the line.

Thanks for keeping up with my noob questions, I'll try to take some nice pictures later and dump as thanks.

>>2336761
>Now my question is: is there any reason to strip sync if I don't need to? Is it in any way a performance improvement?
For the most part, it really doesn't matter. There are a few cases where it can result in an increase in picture quality(Genesis and NeoGeo) and these are both dependent on the specific revision in question. http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=36871

>Or is there any reason why I wouldn't want to (e.g. another console outputs just sync on the same pin, and that causes incompatibility or something
Pretty sure Retro Gaming Cables just uses normal a LM1881 to strip sync, and they're fine accepting an already "raw" sync signal. In fact, they can be used to clean up and boost csync that's a bit weak or slightly off.

If you don't think you'll be using the cable with hardware that needs or benefits from csync, go with the normal breakout cable.

Had I thought I'd get a monitor that needed csync later on, I may have gotten a cable with a built in sync stripper, and my adventures with the 3730 would have been much more pleasant. I didn't, and had to get something down the road; Not the end of the world, but what are you gonna do.

>>2325536
dude check the service manual for the standard settings. I have a different monitor so i don't have the manual/page sorry.

>>2335793
Can I ask how much you got it for dude? Did he get back to you quick on the price? I live close and am thinking of making an offer. Guy says the locks are set in the unlocked position?

>>2336741
Yes i realise how to ground the tube, i was asking *specifically* about the flyback :) If i do ground the tube, does that discharge the flyback as well?

>>2337117
I paid $190 for the 2010P. It's actually a full company with a warehouse and everything, and they're normally pretty quick. Might be busy or something.

Make sure you test the tube on anything you get (WITH 75ohm terminations in place if you can). The other guy on here bought a PVM-20M4A which looked to be in really good condition, and a BVM-2016P that he thought wasn't quite as nice. I believe he got both for $350.You might be able to make a lower offer, I don't know. The longer you leave it the worse the sets they have left will be.

I received a reply about the damage in transport this arvo - they were pretty mortified by the pics i showed them, and have offered me a full refund. Can't complain about that - I mean, it was strapped to a pallet and whatever happened destroyed the pallet as well. I think i'm going to take it over a replacement because this is kind of an example of How freight gets treated on it's way to Tassie :(

>>2337327
>>2337117
Oh, and the drawer was not unlocked. If you talk to them, see if you can grab a copy or some good photos of the keys for 'em. The board as a whole can use that data.

>>2325728
I went to check out this TV and it kept flickering when I played a game. Like it was going to turn off but didn't. Kinda hard to describe but the picture vanished for a fraction of a second to blackscreen and then came back.

Not an expert but I didn't want to take the TV seeing that it might have issues I can't fix.

I need a better PC monitor.
Which do I get that isn't extremely expensive?

>>2337330
>>2337327
Yoha.
I had a friend scan the key for me. Not really ideal, but it's the best I can do short of making copies and mailing them out.

DOS resolution has me confused.
Why is it 320x200 instead of 320x240?
If I'm using 200p should I stretch the geometry down so it fills my monitor?

Dark Forces is letterboxed for me.

>>2338038
That's perfect. I hardly expected mailouts, so that's perfect. I know a few ppl looking for one, and now /vr/ has something to archive and work with :)

Can i ask what model it com from originally, was this the BVM-1415P key?

>>2338591
... but also works on your 2016P?

Honestly the best I can do at the moment.

>>2338236
>If I'm using 200p should I stretch the geometry down so it fills my monitor?
Probably, yes. If you're sending 200p to the monitor it's not even displaying anything beyond that.

>>2338236
320x200 is supposed to be displayed as 4:3, and should fill your monitor, unless there's hardcoded letterboxing.

>>2316873
Picked up a never been opened NEC 19 inch monitor for my Dreamcast. Was $50 on ebay. Looks awesome!

>>2338956
That's awesome! Post pics

Will this thing work if I want to hook up like a PS1 to work on my dell monitor screen?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VGA-to-S-Video-3-RCA-Composite-AV-TV-Out-Adapter-Converter-Cable-for-PC-Laptop-F-/231433944047?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35e289bbef

>>2338765
Is that an exercise bench?

>>2339036
No.
It's the same problem as >>2330836 >>2330664 except in reverse.

>>2339056
Thanks.

>>2339043
Yes

That picture is a good analogy for something isn't it? unintentional of course.


it's on an actual table right now

>>2338038
>>2338591
It worked! I took that pic to a locksmith's shop, and he said it needed to be real size, and even then no guarantees. So i reprinted it with the scale at 1-to-1 and he ground me a best copy from a Fermadoor Roller Door blank for $8. It's not perfect, but it works well enough with my BVM-2010P. My lasting gratitude for the pic, i'll let the other guy looking for a key know.

Now I need to try and figure out if the transport damage can be fixed without electrocuting myself...I suspect it's not going to be worth the trouble.

>>2338765
>>2339112
Being a crt punk is charming in its own way

Keep on truckin

>>2338591
>>2338607
Yep.
The key itself is from a BVM-1415P but it also unlocks the control drawer in my BVM-1016.
Which suggests that either the keys are similar/identical between units (possibly based on region, in this case AUS) or that the lock is so basic it can be opened by almost anything, hence bending a paperclip may be sufficient.

If you do end up needing a copy cut I could probably arrange it though.

>>2339279
Glad to hear it worked.
I'm actually somewhat surprised the locksmith could cut a copy from that image alone though; normally they need the key itself as a template.

>>2339312
Yeah he asked if it was possible to get the original and i said nah. Then he told me with a one-to-one image and a shot of the hole with a ruler in frame he'd give it a go, and it might work or it might not :)

>>2338956
We definitely require pics.

>>2339302
He actually said as well that the key would be for a pin-tumbler lock, so trying to fudge things from the blown-up photo i took in first wasn't a good idea. I know very little about locks though.

>>2339317
>Then he told me with a one-to-one image and a shot of the hole with a ruler in frame he'd give it a go
Can't believe I didn't think of that.

Nonetheless I don't have a good enough camera, but if you or anyone here happen to own a DSLR or something can you get a good shot of the keyhole+a ruler, to pair with the above key scans?
If any given locksmith can generate a key copy from scaled images of the key + lock it'd be of greater assistance to anyone who might need one in future.

>>2339335
A shot of the key end-on would do, but pic related is the shot i used. Essentially you need to know that the top part of the blade is about 0.6mm thick, and the lower part about 1.5mm

I got a PVM 14L2 and I got BNC to RCA connectors for it. But they don't fit on the input connectors but do fit on the output. What kind of converter do I need to get for it to fit the input?

>>2339445
Ummm, is this a troll? It's the same connector. Sometimes the cheaper adaptors are a bit tight, although they function fine.

I'd say try a little harder, but on one of the ports you won't be using for real, like line B's composite input or something if you plan to use RGB/YPbPr. Make sure the centre pin of the male BNC plug side is straight, and all the bits look concentric from the open end.

>>2339452
I'm not trolling...I tried it again, it still doesn't work. The only thing I get is fucked up fingers

>>2339465
Ok, I couldn't get it fastened and it is a bit loose but somehow it is enough to make a connection.

>>2339479
You may have obtained really, really shit adaptors, is the only thing i can think of. All my BNC connections will work on either with a little jiggling.

>>2339541
Turned out that the adaptor was fucked, tried a different one and it connected with a little jigging. Well I guess that is what I get for buying these things of eBay

What's the benefit of carrying around an old CRT when I just merely mod all my consoles for RGB and buy a XRGB-3 for my flatscreen?

What's the benefit of carrying around an old CRT when I can just mod all my consoles for RGB and buy a XRGB-3 for my flatscreen?

>>2339661
cost is definitely a factor. CRTs are cheap whereas the framemeister is expensive as fuck. And flatscreen LCD gives you a different look than CRT. Not necessarily a bad thing, but it's down to personal preference.

Also I don't see why you'd be "carrying around" a CRT at all.

>>2339685
>Also I don't see why you'd be "carrying around" a CRT at all.
I move at least one a year due to work, would be a pain in the ass to drag a CRT around across the country imo.

>>2339707
It'd be a pain in the ass to drag a CRT around every year, definitely. However, it's also a huge pain in the ass to move every year, period. The CRT is probably the least of your pain. Gotta move furniture, your bed, all your other stuff... yeah.

Unless you basically live out of a suitcase or something. Personally I would hate to have to move around and never actually lay down roots ever.

>>2339661
Low persistence
Native resolution
Zero latency
Instant response time
Wide color gamut
Perfect viewing angles

When you guys recommend installing 75 ohm BNC terminators do you mean for every single port not currently in use, or just for inputs?
Would extra sync inputs or output ports require them, for example?

>>2294474
well, my monitor arrived in the mail.

for the most part it's pretty awesome. but it has some strange quirks that I was hoping some of you could shed some light on.

640x480 @60hz looks fantastic.

I tried to do some of the superwide resolutions, but it couldn't get any of them to work. (any idea what I could be doing wrong?)

>>2340073
You don't need terminators if you have a PVM. The outputs auto terminate.
Only BVMs require terminators.

New to crts here and I decided to take home an old tv from my parents house to try out. I find that the top and bottom are cut a bit. Should this concern me or is it normal?

>>2340295
Its overscan and it is normal. Anybody who keeps the red border fully in view doesn't know what they are doing. I'd stretch those sides out a bit too.

>>2339707
A 14'' PVM is not that bad to move.

>>2340290
but it was able to support really low square resolutions. (320x240 @60hz)

how is this possible? I thought VGA monitors couldn't support 15 kHz?

makes me wonder if it has some type of internal scaler. (scanlines didn't look any different than 640x480)

Not specifically /vr/ related, but what's the best way to play 6th generation games? A ton of them have 480p and widescreen support and it would suck to miss out on that if I just stuck with a PVM.

>>2340307
you guys have any ideas what's going on?

In the meantime I'll post some shots I took (excuse my bad photography, hoping to get a tripod soon)

640x480 (still really surprised how defined those scanlines are, it's hard to see these pictures but if you look closely at poison's face you can see them when you zoom in)

>>2340302
What's so bad about it? I could definitely understand that tickling someone's autism.

>>2340313
compared to the 20L5, I tested at 480p (has no real noticeable scanlines)

>>2340313
Most modern graphics cards don't like resolutions that low, its probably scaling it regardless of what its telling you. Your best bet is to run at 3840x480@60hz and use the interlacing.cg shader in retroarch to insert scanlines.

>>2340316
>>2340302

different person here, is really down to user preference and what type of games you're playing.

some games have nothing really interesting at the edges of the playfield, but other games can look weird if you cut off too much of the edges.

some games just hide garbage in the overscan borders (Sonic 2, Final Fantasy1)

>>2340316
Play any early 3D games? Those usually aren't 240p and have a bit of letterboxing. A bit of overscan removes some of that letterboxing.

>>2340323
I tried that (3840x480@60hz), but the graphics driver crashes when I attempt to apply that resolution.

(GPU: GTX 560, driver: 347.88)

it worked when I tried 1920x480 @60 but it was a really squished horizontal picture.

other things I should try?

>>2340316

Not the guy you're replying to.
It's usually where they hid stuff in TV broadcast : most of the time informations you don't care like Camera n° shit, the time, stuff like that. There are rarely stuff that matters in this area, and it's also used to hide stuff (like in older animu they never brothered drawing the stuff that was supposed to stay in that area, leading to some "QUALITY" when people watch them on modern TV) like >>2340325 said, sometimes garbage, sometimes scrolling artifacts, that kind of stuff.

>>2340323
>>2340334
I checked the driver settings and all scaling options are set to off. which makes me wonder if the monitor itself is doing the scaling.

>>2340334
The picture would be squished if you didn't adjust the aspect ratio in the config file. You need to set it to 8 for 3840 so half that would be 4.
Its a shame your driverswon't do 3840, you might want to try using winmodelines or something to try setting it instead. If not you should still get decent results at 1920x480.

>>2340352
>adjust the aspect ratio in the config file.
where is this file located?

>try using winmodelines or something to try setting it instead

I'll give that a look, (would soft15hz also be worth looking into?)

>Its a shame your driverswon't do 3840
I'm really hoping it's just the drivers and not the monitor itself, some other anons were having similar troubles with ATI cards on linux in the other thread.

>If not you should still get decent results at 1920x480

that's good to hear, I'll post some pictures tonight when I get a free minute.

thanks for your help!

>>2340325
>>2340335
That's interesting. I'm guessing there's no real standard to that, though, and different devs use different amounts of it. So you'll have to find a sweet spot that works for you.

>>2340327
I pretty much haven't. What res are those, usually?

>>2340312
>A ton of them have 480p and widescreen support and it would suck to miss out on that if I just stuck with a PVM.
Hypothetically speaking?
BVM-D series with widescreen and progressive scan support.

An L5 or any other Multiformat set could get you the former at the very least.

>>2340307
>NVIDIA
I think this scandoubles this modeline for you.

>>2340334
>I tried that (3840x480@60hz), but the graphics driver crashes when I attempt to apply that resolution.
I had very similar problem with a GTX 460. The fucker crashed when i set it to 15khz.
What a piece of shit this was. I upgraded to an older ATI/AMD HD3450 and my computer become more stable but it draws the UI a little slower, which i prefer.

>>2340073
>>2340293
Or older PVMs, because they don't auto-terminate either. Any line with an input connected should ideally be terminated if it isn't auto terminated (Sony marks auto-termination as a heartbeat/resistor squiggle next to the port) This stops signal reflection within the line, and gives a slightly clearer image. It makes the picture dimmer though, and on older units this can hurt as the screen might not be as bright. The converse is that on an older unit you can open the auto-termination (just plug in an empty BNC-RCA adaptor or similar to the output socket) and make the screen a lot brighter.

With a dim screen the best way to go would probably be to terminate and use a video amp. I'm going to try that out when i get around to building a simple amp, so i'll report back.

>>2339735
What about vs a Plasma TV?

I find on mine, VT60, the framemeister it's pretty good.

It's hard to find PVM/BVM for sale in Australia and they are usually in excess of $300. So the framemeister is a pretty attractive option here IMO

>>2340698
>It's hard to find PVM/BVM for sale in Australia
Where are you in Aus?

>>2340836
Melbourne
I've tried searching for film equipment hire businesses but haven't had any luck

I procrastinated when the ABC was closing down their regional centres and sold off their monitors about 12 months ago

>>2340859
Yeah i don't know about anything in Melb right now, sorry :(

Auschoice in Brisbane still have a few of the ex ABC stuff, as was noted above, but they'll want about $250 for a set shipped to Melbourne, I'm guessing.

Does Gumtree do alerts like Craigslist does? If not just keep checking and stuff will come up. You could also try places that did AV presentations for corporate functions and galleries and stuff. Melbourne's contemporary art gallery, whatever it is, might be another go.

>>2340884
>about $250 for a set shipped to Melbourne
That'd be for a 20" set. And without the ability to test the tube and see it's in good nick before buying you're taking a real risk.

>>2340334

3840x480 works here, with GTX 970 with driver 344.75

>>2340334

If you're using Nvidia control panel, make sure you're using GTF or CVT timings and that the timing info is correct "Automatic" seems to make it create a mode that is scaled to your destop resolution, changing the timing to GMT or CVT makes it recalculate the timings. Of course, you can always manually set the timings if you know what you're doing

>>2340884
Thanks, didn't think about gumtree

There's one on their now that's fairly local.

>>2341135
The 2054 is an ok unit. Only 600TVL but if the tube is in good condition it'll look great. Remember to try before buying :)

It's also been on there for weeks. Might just have been left up, but it might also mean you can make a lower offer.

I need adjust the convergence on a PVM (not the one pictured) and remove the paint lock to do it. Is there a best way to do this? Or patience with a knife and scrape it away?