/vr/ - Retro Games

>>2296303
Yeah, I reached to stage 2-5 on DOJBL last week for the first time.

Fuck, I got a pretty good run until Genbu/Stage 3 Boss, then died two times against his last attack

and got game over on first stage 2-5 mid-boss (cuz I'd not get hyper to do the survival trick).

I dropped my DOJBL 2-ALL attempts for a while cuz I'm really frustrated about my last attempt...

Now I want to get a Soukyugurentai 1CC.

>>2296460
What do you mean you reached 2-5? You mean did one loop and then died at stage 5 or what?

>>2296495
Exactly, I looped it. The second loop is a suffering, even BL being easier than WL version.

I've been trying to get into danmaku games recently.
Been playing DonPachi in between stuff trying to get better but it's going to take a while to 1CC even the first loop.

I dont know if this count, but I 1ccd the double hard loop of Axelay today

>>2297538
Why shouldn't it count? Axeley is a nice shmup (apart from the vertical stages at least...)

Never played too many shmups so when I was playing Darius Twin on SNES I was pretty overwhelmed by how irritating it gets, especially since you only get so many lives and no credits.
Only been able to make it through the first level without dying once and have passed the second one losing one life.
After that, always die to either level 3 or the level 3 boss.

>>2296303
I recently started to enjoy shoot em ups like Axelay, and I just bought Darius Twin and Super R-Type (I had the latter as a child, but never got very far without codes).
What other shoot em ups would you recommend for PAL SNES and Mega Drive? What are must have's?

>>2297682
Thunder Force IV and R-Type III are the must haves for MD and SNES

>>2297701
Yeah I know about those. While Thunder Force 4 is kinda affordable, but R-Type III is just out of my league (or anyones league) financially. Will ttry to get my hand on TF3 then.

>inb4 emulate it or use flashcart

I recently beat the version of Gradius included in the PSP "Gradius Portable" and it didn't take that long. I often hear people say it's a difficult game, so I wonder if it's an easier version.

>>2297682
For SNES, Earth Defense Force is also quite cool, Phalanx perhaps, and Gradius III of course. Choujikuu Yousai Macross - Scrambled Valkyrie is also really good, but I don't know if there exists a PAL version for this.

For MD, Gleylancer, Sagaia (Darius III), Bio-Hazard Battle, Gaiares, Eliminate Down, Zero Wing, Tatsujin (Truxton), etc

>>2297793
Default difficulty in Gradius Collection/ Gradius Portable is 1 notch below arcade difficulty. (and I think 1 notch lower than Gaiden's original difficulty, similarly.) Still, congrats. It ain't an easy game, especially if you die. At all. Were you playing with 2 options? The game's rank doesn't shoot up unless you use 3 or 4 options.

>>2296303
>1cc
No, but I've gotten pretty close in MUSHA. Died on the last stage right before the boss. I'll probably give it another try sooner or later, though I've mostly been playing Gradius III lately (nowhere NEAR 1cc in that).

>>2296303
I'm sure it's considered easy by /vr/ standards, but I can 1cc Gradius 3 for the SNES. I'm not very good at video games, so that feels pretty good

>>2298507
>I'm sure it's considered easy by /vr/ standards, but I can 1cc Gradius 3 for the SNES.

It is very easy and by far the easiest of the gradius games , change the difficulty to arcade in options for a decent challenge . (.,don't worry its still not where near gradius 3 arcades difficulty.)

>>2297682
Super Aleste

I 1cc'd almost all touhous in normal except for some PC-98 ones but that's it. I remember practicing to 1cc Ketsui but then I got lazy. Also Dangun Feveron but I would get stuck in the later stages, love the BGM on it though.

>>2297795
Is there anything good for NES or even... GameBoy (seems unlikely)

>>2297682
>Darius Twin
my first schmup and it's still my favorite.

but only because of nostalgia, me being able to beat it with 3 lives (no 1cc yet.. trying) and it's unbelievable sound track

plus flying fish monster robots are fun

The only one I ever did on on credit was Silpheed on the Sega CD. Even I was shocked when I got to the end, as it usually took me 2-3 continues.

>>2298810
LIfe Force/Salamander on the NES is pretty good, and not that hard to 1CC or even 1-Life it once you get everything down.

http://arcanelore.net/articles/lifeforce/ has a list of 1-ups and a trick to surviving the very last section of the game. There's a few other hints that I recall but I can't remember where I read them other than a forum somewhere.

Still working on Gradius arcade. Moai stage is the one that gives me the most trouble now.
I try to follow a consistent route through it but I still die a lot. I can still complete the stage if I die after the halfway point but that still leaves me completely underpowered for stage 4, and there's a lot of shit you need to kill really fast in stage 4 before they spew bullets all over the screen.

I'm still not sure why they bothered putting extra lives in. 9 times out of 10, if you die at all you're completely fucked no matter how many lives you have.

>>2298360
By option you mean the little balls that follow behind you and shoot extra shots? I could get up to four at a time. I'm rather inexperienced with the genre, so I plan to play more Gradius games soon.

I know it doesn't sound amazing compared to all the cave talk and all, but I recently got western record on Metal Black, first got it with manual fire, then perfected it a bit with autofire like WR. Got less than 100k diff. between me and WR, which sits at around 740k, but it would be nice if I could reach the 700k mark as well.

Replay: https://youtu.be/TDYZa7bCVfI

>>2299181
How did you capture this on a vid? Are you just so good in the game that you can do this again and again?

I really wished shmups would always have a replay function so that you can save a replay if you 1cc them.

>>2299181

Who do you go by on shmups forum? I know at least one guy who'd be pretty envious of your achievement. And hell, that is a nice accomplishment you made there, congratulations!

>>2299201
It's just MAME and xsplit, I used the export feature from Twitch.
>>2299207
I usually just hang on the french forums because my scores are very minor and I really don't have anything interesting to contribute to sys11, but recently made an acc to post my MB score.
Otherwise name is same as on YT/Twitch (T4N3)

>>2299237
>It's just MAME and xsplit
So you can do this how often you want?
What if you ever get a better highscore but didn't record it?
Or do you always play with xsplit on?

>>2299254
I don't usually record, it's kinda recent, otherwise I just post screenies. Also I can't get such a score all the time because of the Rng-heavy bonus rounds, but for the most part it's consistent, at least on the clear side.

>>2297682
On MD, Thunder Force series and everything by toaplan. Gaiares and Trouble Shooter/Battle Mania as well.

If you have a Mega CD, Android Assault and Robo Aleste

Really good interview with Yoshinori Satake (formerly of Hot-B) on shmuplations:
http://shmuplations.com/yoshinorisatake/

I have the feeling his design philosophy wouldn't be too popular with hardcore shooting game fans, which is a shame.

>>2300410
Great suggestions there, Gaiares is amazing. I really enjoyed Steel Empire, and it's a really good one for shooting game neophytes.

>>2299181
grats dude! I have yet to 1cc this one, but its on my list. my favorite darius after twin

>>2296303
Wow, I really want that vacuum. That'd be a kick ass robot head.

Ikaruga. It's pretty easy once you know the patterns.

Still haven't beaten R-Type Leo... I can manage to get to the boss of stage 5 now, but holy shit, this game is just too hard for me I think...

>Visco
I didnt know this company existed.
>check wiki.
>Visco also produced flat screen LCD televisions, which have been sold at major retailers such as Wal-Mart.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq7JgDmUu2I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9sfXxbPwbU

>>2297682
I think there's a PAL version of Parodius for SNES.

>>2297682
super nova

>>2299181
>but I recently got western record on Metal Black
Amazing score, metal black can troll you in so many ways (2nd bonus stage completely trolled me in my 1cc) best soundtrack ever to!

>Have ever managed to 1cc a shmup?
Baryon. I needed to take the most overpowered fighter (Red/Red), fish for a ton of bonus lives in Stage 3 (more than can be displayed on the screeen, so about 20), then pray I don't choke more than one or two lives until final boss, because the SOB is insanely durable and avoiding ground turret attacks near impossible. Then again I'm a scrub with reflexes of a drugged elephant, so an actually good player could probably manage to beat the game with one of the worse fighters.

I know /vr/ really hates this game for sloppy design, but I'm working on a pacifist Keyboard-only run through Tyrian atm. Wish me luck, I'm going to need it.

>>2302056
Isn't Tyrian outright impossible with pure pacifism with the stop screens and bosses?

Super Tyrian is pretty close pacifist already early on with how weak your weapon.

>>2296303
I got 1cc of 1st loop of DDP and Batsugun. It's hard to tell how long exactly I played them, probably around 30-40 hours for each, where half of it are rare short sessions over several months. I stayed somewhat focused on DDP, but pretty much dropped Batsugun several times as 2hard, until something clicked and I realized that I know game well enough to try 1cc it. Since, I'm kinda waiting this light bulb moment for other shooting games I try to get into, as it feels very nice. Lately was focusing on Rayforce and Blazing Star, but 7 stages games drain my mental energy.

>>2303043
Woah, what? A Batsugun manga? There's a bunch of translators out there looking for these manga adaptations.

>>2303460
I'm sure they've already found it as it's in the top of google search results. Someone from shmups.system11 got this chapter along PCB and other goods.
>thread
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=16419
>scans
http://s229.photobucket.com/user/undamned_photobucket/media/Batsugun_Ch3_1.jpg.html

>>2303043
Wow, I've been looking for that Skull Hornets manga but couldn't find any sellers.

>>2301905
Vasara is actually one of my personal favourites, because I love anachronistic historicals.

Does Itoyoko's "Damage Fight" count?

>>2296303
The subject and the pic makes me think of this game.

This game used to be on the PSN, but for whatever reason it's gone now. I would have loved to have played it.

I havnt played any shmups at all, but i got hooked on crimzon clover. I can beat novice boost and original with 5+ ships to spare, so i figured it try to get serious on arcade mode.
This kind of pain, is quite seriously crossing the line. my line is far out, and i love this game a lot, but fuck me, this is really pummeling my balls.

>>2308737
>>>/v/

Apart from Batsugun, my 1ccs are not /vr/ material unfortunately.

I am practicing Donpachi again though, although I find stage 4 in Donpachi to be annoying.

1CC'd Fantasy Zone. Forgot it looped and died quickly back on Plaleaf, lol. I highly recommend giving it a shot if anyone wants a different kind of STG, more economy-driven with puzzle bosses and time pressure (faster waves and bullets) that you can manipulate with skill.

>>2310185
Good work! I've been neglecting that game, I need to start playing it. Not sure I've got the skillz to 1cc though.

>>2304630
Damage Fight was really amusing. Truly the product of a diseased mind (I love it).

>>2310215
More than possible. Keep in mind, you're gonna need a Heavy Bomb for the last part of the final boss. Best way I learned was by stocking up lives to cheat accidental deaths, allowing me to shakedown certain segments of a run frequently.

>>2310174
Stage 4 is so much harder than the ones before it.
That boss is a pain as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuJj6yt-AyE
This sounds so much like Led Zeppelin's Stairway to Heaven.

>>2310906
Not really.

How is Xevious 3D? It looks interesting but the early polygon graphics with the color pallet make it look kind of ugly.

Can someone tell me if Espgaluda II Omake arrange mode is supposed to be tuned easy or normal? I can never 1CC these kinds of games but I recorded myself clearing it on Omake somehow. Don't know if it was an accomplishment.

>>2299201
>I really wished shmups would always have a replay function so that you can save a replay if you 1cc them.

Xbox 360 ports have this, on top of screen size customization, smoothing, wallpaper border, button on-screen display, current run & high score display, etc.

I 1cc'd Raiden Fighters...but it doesn't count since I did it on the xbox 360 collection on "Normal" mode and not the original Arcade mode :( Still, got 34 million and 3rd rank on the mostly dead boards which was kind of neat. The Raiden Fighters are just fucking brutal. Fast as fuck bullets and no continues.

Currently working on Cho Ren Sha 68K. The third boss always gives me trouble.

And not /vr/ but I 1cc'd Deathsmiles with Rosa...but selected "1" for every stage and didn't do the extra 2 stages.

I suck.

>>2315837
Deathsmiles is the opposite of motivation. The entire game is a cake walk until the very last level and it just dumps everything at you.

1CC'd a bunch of Gradius and Metal Slug games but that was years ago, the only one I've done recently was Danmaku Unlimited on Hard (Haven't passed fourth boss on Extreme yet).

I tend to keep switching between a huge number of shmups rather than training on any specific one so I doubt I'll be 1CCing anything else any time soon. But I really like the genre and I am at peace with my shittiness, so I'll keep playing regardless.

>>2316245

Which Metal Slug is the easiest to 1cc?

I bought the Anthology for PS2 and really want to go for a 1cc finally.

>>2316915

Not the guy you're asking, but MS1&5 for sure are the easiest. So many safespots.

Are turbo buttons cheating? Are manual firing buttons artificial difficulty?

>>2319985
>Are turbo buttons cheating?
Yes.

> artificial difficulty
Fuck off.

>>2319990
>getting this mad over terms you don't like
Is /v/ leaking again?

>>2319985
>Are turbo buttons cheating?
Depends on the game but mostly no they're accepted amongst anyone who actually matters.

>Are manual firing buttons artificial difficulty?
In some cases yes for example gradius games and mslug without autofire is entirely stupid as fuck ploy to make game harder in the wrong way. Most arcades in japan even wire autofire in although if you want to be one of those derp muh authenticity cocks and end up with rsi be my guest.

>>2316915
Definitely 1. Does the anthology allow slow down to be switched off btw?

>>2320125

I don't know yet it's still getting shipped.

I bought it for Wii only to find you have to shake the controller to throw grenades. There are a couple control options but you always have to shake the controller to throw a grenade and it's really finnicky. Fuck you, Nintendo. Why are you so dumb sometimes?

So yeah. Re-bought it for PS2.

>>2320046

Artificial difficulty is a /v/ buzzword, so it's definitely not the person you're responding to who is from there.

>>2320687
lewd~

>>2297542
Axelay is fucking horrible, what the fuck man

>>2320046
>uses a bait/shitposting term that originated on /v/
>gets called out
>accuses the person who called him out as being /v/
Nice meta-shitpost.

I'm /v/

>>2316915
Metal Slug 3 just hit PSN

That's not really one of the good ones, is it? I mostly only know 1 and X.

>>2321637
3 is the best one.

However knowing things lately this is either a DotEmu job or just the PS1 version. You may just want to chance it with MAME or something instead.

How do I into shmups? And how badly will a sub 2 frame lag tv fuck me up with these games?

>>2322923
Lag is a myth don't worry about it.

>>2322923
these games arent so much about reactions as they may appear at first glance

they are mostly about learning from mistakes and trying again, learning routes and strategies to win
good reactions can help but they are not the best to rely on

>>2301905
I rolled in /vr/ guantlet thread on neogeo and got a visco shooter called andro dunos

its been kicking my ass all day
feels like eliminate down but a faster and the game wants to bully the player

>>2322923
>>2323073
m8, I've played Psikyo games with massive input lag and it drove me fucking nuts. On PC emulation, the Psikyo drivers needed to be optimized. On console, it was because of my video conversion setup.

Mind if I share a Fantasy Zone/Defender inspired thing I'm prototyping or is that not /vr/ enough?

Figured I might as well ask here since I only sorta semi-lurk these boards, but what are your guys opinion on HG101 and the various writers for it?

>>2323173
Janitards here are noted to be extremely gay and may delete your shit but I think I speak for every non-stupid person when I say "sure why the hell not"

>>2323175
>>2323173

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71895074/Lime/Lime.html
I prototype things in Unity b/c it makes for easy sharing, but the final game is most likely going to be in SDL when I get a better hang on that.

I started this just earlier today so there's basically nothing right now, but LMB to shoot and RMB to hold the direction you're in.

>>2322923
You need a lot of concentration and very good overview about what is going on on the screen.
You must be able to concentrate on multiple things at the same time.
Like watching how the bullets come from above, from behind, from the front, all at the same time, while still being able to not crash into the next mountain or whatever.
This is the most difficult about these games, imo. Having your eyes everywhere.
People who are good at multitasking can be pretty good in this I think.

>>2323174
Most on /vr/ dislike it or think ambivalently of the site. They lurk here sometimes; Joseph Joestar, co-runner of the podcast, frequents /vr/ and isn't proud of HG101's writing.

It's revealed many games to me I wasn't previously aware of, but Kulata and the authors can't decide if they're writing buyer's guides or general overviews of games referencing what's been observed. And even when I'm using an article to learn about mechanics and such, many have inaccuracies or distorted info compared to counterexamples elsewhere. The site wants to be (one of) the first to discuss an obscure game in detail, and then decide whether said game's first impression amongst readers should be positive or negative. Kulata's too lax about the approaches of articles written for games (clashing with how there can't be multiple articles per game, in case more than one writer has a perspective under his model) and so you get that on top of different writing styles. So the intentions aren't sound either—HG101 superficially resembles both the enthusiast press and second-rate academic review writing.

Splitting the opinionated parts of articles from their bodies would leave out any politics associated with first impressions, rather than leaving them integrated. Just putting all that in a demarcated "opinion" page would be fine. Some don't wanna be told if something's good or bad, just what that game is, and maybe then what others have said + the article writer's opinion. I know, for example, that Kulata whines about STGs he's not good at, but other authors I might trust more (hypothetically) would have opinions worth listening to. I can't help but think specialist sites function better for their audiences than HG101 does trying to fit every size as one. The site could at least dig around for reviews/impressions from those well-versed in that game or genre and point there without embedding opinion in a description.

>>2323073

does anyone remember a game for mac os kind of like an update on asteroids with powerups, including one that looked like a donut?

>>2323174
They feature cool games but the writing is often rather meh.

>>2323550
Maelstrom?

https://github.com/nmlgc/ReC98

This looks pretty promising.

>>2324407
Not really.

>>2321640
>3 is the best one.
Nah 3 is to long has that horrible slow stage 2 a cheap as fuck rng boss 4 and is in need of some editing. 1,2 and X are much more enjoyable.

>>2324478
Seeing as all PC-98 emulators are shit, there's going to be several platform builds, and the possibility of a netplay feature for Touhou 3...

I've 1cc'd Gigawing in the arcade, and beat that asshole last boss to get the happy end (I fed bombs shamelessly on his final form)

I did the same thing on Chorensha, with the analog on a ps2 controller no less, and also, shamelessly fed bombs against the 3-0 boss.

I can't beat Judgement Silversword. Mitsurugi is a fucking cunt.

I don't like Ikaruga.

I never actually finished Gradius 5.

I've been thinking about getting an arcade stick for shmups.
Should I go with LS-32 or LS-40?

>>2325932
Correct me if I'm wrong but shmup fans go for the LS-56(-01)

>>2325886
>I don't like Ikaruga.
Pretty common opinion, but why not?

>I never actually finished Gradius 5.
Me neither. Fuck that gas stage.

>>2325932
If you are looking for the ultimate joystick for shmups,It is like the quest for the grail, no one found it as it's can take many forms and it's mostly a matter of opinion.

First If you are migrating from a regular controller to an arcade stick for the first time the joystick doesn't matter at all for you.
I would advice you to go for a cheap Mad catz SE to see if it's your kind of thing, that will get also familiar/tame joystick/buttons controls.

If you're already used to joystick controls for FG and want to have a ready-made specialized piece for shmups, as you already guessed it, go for seimitsu for now.

But IMO choosing one model over the others is close to nitpicking as they are all high end products.
Some "noticeable" differences.
-The LS-56 is "heavier" then LS-32/40,
-LS-40/56 engage distant is slightly shorter then the LS-32.
-LS-32 has loose neutral compared to the others two and sometimes the shaft rise a little bit when reach the maximum throw.

But seriously those can be a pro or a cont depend on how you play.

After that you have customizing your Joystick Suzo/Euro/omni stick Sanwa or seimitsu the ski is your limite,

>>2326991
Isn't the 56 the shortest throw? I know at the end of the day it's all about opinions and preference, but the 56 is pretty much built for shmups as a baseline.

>>2327473
http://www.slagcoin.com/joystick/attributes_brands.html#JOYSTICK_CHART

I need a recommendation for a good Babby's First shmup. I'm terrible at every one I've tried.

>>2327998
For me it was Gradius on the Turbo Grafx/PC-Engine. Fun game with the difficulty tuned a bit easier for at-home play. Similarly you might like Salamander/Life Force. The NES ports are decent too.

>>2327998
Deathsmiles. It's so piss easy until the very last stage, still good for starting players.

>>2299181
Damn dude congrats if you are still here. You should try and get STG Weekly to do an episode of Metal Black with you on it.

>>2327998
It's always good to play game for this with difficulty settings.
At best use something more recently, like Satazius for example.
Old shmups are pretty much always kinda hard, but Satazius is really beginner friendly on easy difficulties.

I played some Elemental Master (Technosoft, Sega Genesis / Mega Drive) recently. Didn't get too far, but I liked it.

It had a "beat stage to get a new weapon" system like Mega Man. What other shmups do this?

>>2328991
Axelay does.

>>2327473
I am the anon of >>2326991.
i experienced with sticks from different manufacturer with different parts (customized or not) and one of my conclusions is that unlike sanwa, seimitsu sticks (minus the LS-33/58/60 cause i never got them) have no differences on throw distances.
But I personally don't see what make you think the LS-56 standout that much for shmups.
I prefer the LS-40,even if i don't play with them that mush I have 2 of them on my 2 panels because they had the same fixation plate as my old LS-32 that the only reason mostly but i also think now they are more multipurpose when you switch games.

For Shmups i'm still searching for a replacement to my old TM-8, working on a Universal STC but those things are a pain in the ass from any aspect you look at them.they are unusable out of the box. hard and expensive for modding ,hard to install and even to fix on a panel and they are ugly as sin.
I still have a chance to buy a custom Suzo Inductive but it's expensive for a stick and i don't want to deal with another discontinued products like my TM-8.

>>2327998
I usually avoid shmups thread for many reasons (as you can see i am talking about joysticks here) but i will take the time to give you just a small advice: there is no point in choosing a game just because it easy,it will not improve you skills at all, choose a game because it look interesting for you Gameplay,themes,art direction even the music can make you choose a game over another and just so you know minus maybe the reaction speed we are mostly equals when playing a game for the first time as we all need time to learn enemies paths,bullets and bosses patterns.
Also play 1 credit/play. you can put 2,3 (that a minimum of 9 lives for most games without extend) at max if you want but always try to decrease the number of lives you use.
If repeating a level or a section is a boring aspect for you, I think this is not a genre for you.