/vr/ - Retro Games

===NEWS===

[03-27] The /newstuff Chronicles #474: http://www.doomworld.com/php/topstory.php?id=4384

[03-23] Demonsteele v0.8 released: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=823467#p823467

[03-20] The /newstuff Chronicles #473: http://www.doomworld.com/php/topstory.php?id=4374

[03-18] The Golden Boner Awards: GMOTA/DemonSteele/HDoom/LOVELY.WAD/200minvr/MoAaS >>2296201 >>2296203

[03-16] Plutonia 64, a remake of Plutonia for Doom 64 EX: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1348501

[03-14] Another episode in the Favillesco series, by Nicholas Monti, of Eviltech fame: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/72083-favillesco-alpha-episode-2-desecration-on-thebe/

[03-13] As promised: Tabula Rasa, a 5-map wad for any source port, by Dewce. >>2287504 http://www.best-ever.org/download?file=tabula_rasa.wad

[03-13] Zero-Master retakes the Doom2 speed record by an astonishing 83 (eighty-three!) seconds. http://www.doomworld.com/vb/doom-speed-demos/72075-doom-2-in-2032/ https://youtu.be/ghCPOd_V-JE

[03-12] Doomed Space Wars, by Pcorf, 3rd beta release: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1351392

[03-11] OBLIGE v6.20 featuring monster closets: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1351352

[03-09] GMOTA v0.9.8 finally arrives: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=45115

[03-08] A mod for Trailblazer from the maker of BD:SE >>2279145 http://www.mediafire.com/download/5ak489t2txom92x/TB_Burst_Pistol.pk3

[03-07] A new direction for The Space Pirate http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=37064&start=359

[03-05] New E1M8 void glide speed route found by Kpa6, TASed by Looper, and recorded by JCD: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1349403 / >>2272227 (video)

[03-05] Crispy Doom v2.3: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1349499

[03-01] Romero on CNN: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/doomworld-news/71883-

[02-26] Unloved is back, but not as a Doom mod: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1347196

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Please reply to this post with news.

>>2314243
knee-deep in the yarn

>>2314253

That sounds very comfy.
It'd be pretty cool to see doom in a yarn artstyle too.

>he doesn't make maps for doom

step up senpais

>>2314259

Does this count?

>>2314262
it's for PUSH, so yes.

>he doesn't make maps for Carmageddon

>>2314265
>it's for yet another useless, unknown and unoriginal mod, so yet.

>>2314279

>>2314284
Maybe you should post valiad arguments instead of shitposting.

>>2314291

You first.

>>2314294
Push is not original.
This is because this type of concept has been tried before (see ricochet and vz). Rocketjumping was back then combined with high plateau maps to create a unique LMS experience: push the other players from the map and kill them. It even supported TLMS, but it was a seperate file because Skulltag ACS engine was shitty and ancient.

The consistency of the PUSH mod is quite bad and is lacking good ideas that would improve fun and (currently) boring gameplay.

The good think about PUSH is that the maps are nice and far better of ricochet and vz.
But that's it. Everything else is dull and right out flat.

meh, it's stil fun to fuck around with friends.

>>2314306
>Rocketjumping was back then combined with high plateau maps to create a unique LMS experience: push the other players from the map and kill them. It even supported TLMS, but it was a seperate file because Skulltag ACS engine was shitty and ancient.
[citation needed]

>and is lacking good ideas that would improve fun and (currently) boring gameplay.
okay, what are your superior ideas to improve the gameplay?

Anyone interested in ZDW Domination? I got it working, all I need now is players. For anyone who knows about Zdoomwars, it's kind of like capture the base but with additional quake2 and might&magic factions and a completely customizable faction roster.

>>2314259
I made a single room once to try and get a feel for doombuilder. Maybe one day I'll pick it up again and give mapping a try.

http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=46413
I really don't get the whole prestige thing, especially when all you get is a different line of text. But I guess CoD is popular for a reason.

Here's a shitaku article you may find interesting.

http://kotaku.com/surprise-doom-is-still-an-incredible-game-1694053532?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Twitter&utm_source=Kotaku_Twitter&utm_medium=Socialflow

>>2314428
https://archive.today/yF5W3

>>2314428
that was pretty decent

>>2314428
Just a warning: don't go into the comments section.

>>2314428
>>2314454
>The soul sphere is surrounded by monsters, which means there's got to be a way to get to it, though not from where you're standing. Doom is showing you something you can't get to, which encourages you to ask questions like "What is that?" and "how do I get there?"

Glimpses! I like this guy, he understands :)

>Ever heard of chronological snobbery? It's a term for a logical fallacy coined by novelist C.S. Lewis to describe the belief that things from the past are not as good as things from the present simply because they are old.

Haha, I think I suffer from the reverse chronological snobbery. "It's new, therefore it must be shit."

>>2314428
Huh, I can't believe this was on Kotaku.

>E1M3
That was indeed one of the very best maps.

May as well ask here too: where can I find this blue Afrit edit that guy mentioned?

>>2314513
>It's new, therefore it must be shit
New shit gets made all the time, anytime something is new, chances are it's shit.

It's the standouts we remember, either they're great or excellent, like Doom, so they're cherished and remembered, or they're really really bad, or a giant flop or a controversy, and it's remembered for that.

Then there's stuff people will simply not remember, it's bad, but not so bad as to be memorable, or there was literally nothing about it that was noteworthy. Compare to Doom, how many people remember fucking Operation Bodycount, or Terminator: Rampage? Rampage at least had a hot IP attached to it, yet who the fuck remembers it?

There has always been a continuous stream of shitty games, and always will, what we always have to do is to hold on to the gems, gems like Doom.

>>2314543
That is all very true.

Sturgeon's Law is time-invariant.

>>2314543

Speaking of memorably bad games. I don't think Romero will ever be able to be allowed to live down Daikatana

>>2314578
It was a monumental flop, especially given the hype and expectations. It was a massive blow to his, at the time, ridiculously bloated ego, but it was however also very humbling for him I imagine.

I think that if Romero set out to actually do a full modern game, (in secret, as to not create reverse hype), he could make a game that's genuinely great.

>>2314578

I don't know why not, several big names in "The Industry" today are guilty of the same thing he was and yet will probably not even learn their lesson in hindsight.

I agree the man acted like a dick, but over a decade of punishment is quite enough considering the hacks making the rounds today with virtually zero similar repercussions (because it actually doesn't matter if the game is fun or takes things to the level of artistry, it's always been about the money and nothing else).

>>2314621
All he needs to do is recreate a little DOOM styled game with FPS robotron-like gameplay on a up to date little engine. It wouldn't cost much, and it would allow him to satisfy his mapping urge that he said was getting to him lately.

The modern DOOM ports are...okay for this. But i would like to see him work on an engine with a bit more modern lighting capabilities. And focus on verticality in the maps

>>2314253
>>2314254
Once I got to play in a bed-sixed box thing full of yarn when I was just out of High School. It was fun.
DOOM THREAD

>>2314428
Pretty good article.

>>2314534
Tower of Chaos or Wrath of Cronos.
I think WoC's blue afrit is a bit different though, brighter flame than this one.

twine of despair
pandesewnium
house of embroidery
unholy cross-stitch
halls of the darned
seamstress of mystery
the pinking shears of hell

>spitfire
>having anywhere near the firepower of a launcher

I don't know when all the level 30 retards started this shit but it needs to stop. Come back when you've got chargeable laser cannons and literal nukes. Oh wait, you'll never ever have them.

>>2314850
wot

>>2314850

The DFO thread is in /vg/, friend.

>>2314259
Damn these threads have slowed down

We need a megawad/gameplay mod called "Where the fuck is it?"'

from a skype call conversation:

"uh another gamemod came into my mind, let me find it so i can tell you the name of it"

long pause

"where the fuck is it?"

"Where the fuck is it? Perfect name for something"

laughter ensues

"great now i need to tell the doom general this"

>>2314909

Okay.

Plutonia > TNT > Doom 2 > Ultimate Doom

>>2314937
TNT is better than Doom 2 in a lot of ways.

Does anyone else prefer small WADs with a few levels over episodes or megawads? I'm looking for some good short WADs to blaze through.

I tried that Tabula Rasa wad and I'm looking for more stuff along that size.

>>2314937
Plutonia > KDitD = TNT > TSoH = TFC > Inferno = Doom 2

>>2314945
>Does anyone else prefer small WADs with a few levels over episodes or megawads?
Yup, I do.
UAC Ultra and Mayan Mishap are pretty good.

What are your top 10 fan made megawads /vr/oom?

>>2314963
*if you dont have 10 give me your top 5

>>2314945
Kuchitsu and Vae Victus 2 are minisodes.

>>2314945

I like episodes/a few levels to go through, but I prefer megawads for playing with mates online.

>>2314963
Not that it's remotely on topic, but have you tried Bloodborne? How is it?

>>2314963
Classics (95-05)
>Alien Vendetta
>Eternal Doom
>Hell Revealed
>Hell Revealed 2
>Icarus
>Kama Sutra
>Memento Mori
>Memento Mori 2
>Scythe
>Scythe 2

Modern (06-present)
>Back To Saturn X E1
>Back To Saturn X E2
>Community Chest 3
>Community Chest 4
>Jenesis
>Plutonia 2
>Plutonia Revisited
>Resurgence
>Speed of Doom
>Unholy Realms

Is OpenGL's software-like lightning mode enough to appreciate BTSX palette?

>>2314987
Not yet unfortunately. Won't be able to play it until June but from what I've seen it looks great.

>>2314996
>software-like lightning mode
what you say

>>2315009
It's one of the sector lightning modes

>>2315015
nani

>>2314989
I tried Hell Revealed 2. Didn't like it, it just felt kinda cheap.

Am I just a pleb? Is Hell Revealed 1 better?

I've also played and liked Scythe 1&2, Plutonia 2, Alien Vendetta.

>>2315015
>>2315017
i see it now nvmd

HR1 was pretty fun
Just started getting into wad playing again, I usually pick it up yearly around this time actually.
MM and MM2 were pretty good from what I remebered.

Is there some DoomRPG+DL Arsenal wizard around?
I want some help with the monster level scaling options.
I was playing a map somewhat fine and the next one the monsters were 1shooting me, it was bretty gay.

>>2315027
Play on HMP instead of UV. HR2's UV was deliberately designed to be cheap.

Admittedly, it does have some weak maps. Map10 and 28 are downright awful. And the maps from Sam Woodman and Andy Olivera kinda make me feel they misunderstood HR1's gameplay (They're Resistence Is Futile sequel "Resistence Remains" is easily the worst sequel map in the megawad).

But, I absolutely love the maps from Jonas Feragen, and Martin Friberg, which is why I still call it a favourite.

>>2315027
>>2315068
Oh, and yeah HR1 is better overall.

>>2315034
YKW IRA WPUA FETATA

Whats HR1 whats MM and MM2? Stop using abbreviations and acronyms for everything

>>2315075
Not him, but Hell Revealed 1 and Memento Mori 1 and 2
those are pretty known abbreviations in the community

>>2315075
>>2315034

I'm also a fan of AV, it's a classic. CC1 through CC4 are okay, but eehh.
D2INO and D2TWID are something people call "modern takes on classic maps", but BTSX and 1994TU are far superior IMO.

>>2315068
>HR2's UV was deliberately designed to be cheap.
why? that's silly.

>>2315075
Like everyone knows what fucking pwad people are talking about. It's reasons like this that the DOOM community will never be taken seriously.

>>2315075
>>2315107
git gud

Am I robbing myself of the full experience if I approach the singleplayer with WASD+M? Is the original keyboard setup the only way to go?

>>2315128
No, the manual even recommends using the mouse.

>>2315128

Oddly enough, my default keymap for any FPS is ESDF ("ez-def") +M. Including when I tried DOOM. I thought it handled just fine.

>>2315140
Lots of people do that, actually.

>>2315140
>>2315142

...I should give that a shot, actually. It'd give me a whole bunch of extra keys to use.

>>2315140
>my default keymap for any FPS is ESDF

Any particular reason you favor it over the more common WASD?

>>2315136
>No, the manual even recommends using the mouse

Ah. Thanks.

>>2314909
A wad full of keycards hidden in shadows, switches that trigger things you can't see, all the weapons in secret areas and other mandatory secrets? Sounds like a real blast.

>>2315175
Not him but I also use ESDF for most FPS.

You can map your guns around it better, gives you better access to them, rather than using 1,2,3,...,7.

Like I have
z - fists/chainsaw
3 - pistol
a - shotgun
w - chaingun
r - plasma
g - rocket launcher
v - bfg

Doom doesn't have many weapons but other FPS's (like BUILD engine games) have more weapons and having more keys around is more convenient than wasd. Also I like having similar weapons in similar places. Like in Doom I have chaingun at W, so I'll also have Chaingun Cannon in Duke at W for familiarity.

>>2315175

see >>2315174

90% of the reason why.

>>2315086
Because they wanted it to be "the hardest megawad ever" at the time.

Just play on HMP.

>>2315082
What? CC3 and 4 are awesome. I can agree about 1 and 2 being eh, though.

ZDoom question:
Any way to emulate slight ViewBob on the weapon, without it actually having viewbob?

I'm trying to figure out how to do borderland-style weapon generation in ZDoom: The weapon is to be assembled on screen via ACS, but that will result in no bob at all, which will ruin the sense of movement somewhat.

Any way to counter that?

>>2315082
>Alien Vendetta
The joy of Map20!

>>2315354
The mountain climb is cool
The rest of the map is not.

>>2315350
Just use TEXTURES instead.

Otherwise you'd have to have the weapons move on the screen via an array of offsets in acs based upon player speed. It would look off though because the gun wouldn't be smoothly moving, just appearing in a different spot every tic. Offset() won't work cause it won't affect things placed by acs and it would be a pain to do anyway.

>>2315359
Using TEXTURES would:
1) Have me do every combination possible, which is a LOT (around 60 000)
2) Will load all the combined textures in the memory at launch, which, when combined with ammount of sprites above, will surely crash any PC

>>2315354
what about map 26 m8?

shit blew me away.

>that fucking start

I love how you just fall down into the trenches at any random place and start blowing a whole through the map piece by piece as best you can.

definitely my favourite and most memorable slaughtermap ever... or at least out of AV, S1&2, Plutonia 2 and the original wads. need to play new ish.

>>2315359
Basically what I want is to bob viewport itself without bobbing a weapon along with it - since weapon will stay in place, it would look as if it is bobbing.

>>2315372
>1) Have me do every combination possible, which is a LOT (around 60 000)
Not that hard with a replace function.
>2) Will load all the combined textures in the memory at launch, which, when combined with ammount of sprites above, will surely crash any PC
No, we've been over this before. They don't get loaded at launch.

>>2315128
Only if what you're playing in allows you to look up and down. The game was not designed with that in mind.

>>2315374
If you mean have the weapon not bob but the player vision go up and down, just have the flag for no bobbing whenever a_ weaponready is called.
If you mean have the view sway to replicate the weapon moving then no, and it wouldn't look correct anyway.

>>2315378
he didn't say anything about looking up and down though

>>2315376
Not at launch, no. But as the game uses the combos, they get loaded into RAM and not unloaded at all.

It may not cause crash right away, but it will once the game generates enough guns, and the whole point of Borderlands mod is to generate a lot of guns.


Also it would require to define every gun possible through DECORATE since you can't make sprite name variable.

My idea - have most visually distinct weapon archetypes predefined (a combo of weapon type, manufacturer, tier and barrel), which would ammount to around 900 or so archetypes - those are actual weapons defined in decorate, with variables as their stats and lots of jumps in fire/reload animations to make variable fire-rate and reloading work.

Instead of simply having a weapon on the player, ACS will remove all weapons from player, and give back the archetype based on the selected slot (ACS has info on what weapon is stored where), then it would slap SCOPE, Accesory and Elemental plug according to the weapon data it has, as well as calculate weapon variables, based on the parts it uses.

>>2315128
>>2315378

Just use novert - you can still look with mouse, but the aiming up/down will be restricted.

>>2315373
>definitely my favourite and most memorable slaughtermap ever
along with scythe 2 map 28

>>2315401
>But as the game uses the combos, they get loaded into RAM and not unloaded at all.
>It may not cause crash right away, but it will once the game generates enough guns, and the whole point of Borderlands mod is to generate a lot of guns.
I'm pretty sure there is some garbage collection routine that happens, but don't take my word for it. I'd go ahead and ask the developers directly before deciding how to do this.

>Also it would require to define every gun possible through DECORATE since you can't make sprite name variable.
You can. Use "####" instead of sprite name and then have each variation go to a single frame prior to as decided via acs to get the frame name.

>My idea - have most visually distinct weapon archetypes predefined (a combo of weapon type, manufacturer, tier and barrel), which would ammount to around 900 or so archetypes - those are actual weapons defined in decorate, with variables as their stats and lots of jumps in fire/reload animations to make variable fire-rate and reloading work.
You could probably get away with a lot less unless each is really that different.

>>2315373
You should play HR map24 and KS map28

>>2315427
Cool, I'm indeed planning to go through HR1 next.

Btw anon earlier said that HR2 is intentionally cheap on UV and it's better on HMP. Is HR1 also like that or is UV alright?

>>2314543
But I loved Operation Bodycount! You could blow up walls!

So I just downloaded the latest version of DemonSteele, and decided to play through Scythe 1 with it.
I had a fucking blast. Fast-paced and balls-to-the-wall with the map design and enemy replacements.
…until I started hitting the Pain Elemental and Cyberdemon Replacements.
Holy fuck are those things pace-breakers. The Blackened are absolute lag machines with the amount of mooks they spawn. And the Devil Drivers…
What the Hell possessed Term to make these guys so goddamned hard? Constantly shooting homing missiles and slowly healing themselves, while you can't get close without getting a face-full of lightning barriers.
It does not help that the later levels love throwing these fucking tanks everywhere.
At least one-shotting them with the Omen and the Kamehamehadouken feels satisfying.
It's also kinda hard to take them seriously with that goofy skull for a head.

>>2315452
HR1 is perfectly fine on UV. In fact, its actually pretty easy on HMP.

>>2315535
>Instantly shooting homing missiles and slowly healing themselves, while you can't get close without getting a face-full of lightning barriers.
The trick to beating them is Use your shotgun specials
They are relatively painless if you aren't decked out as long as you have that.

They do look really goofy.

>>2315075
>YKW IRA WPUA FETATA
>you know what? It's really aggravating agitating? when people use acronyms for every third actual thing, arrrgh!

Am I close?

>Playing RO with CH on CS2
This is great.
:^)

>>2315558
The problem there is that I almost always don't have enough ammo or souls for that since it's so useful against the other mooks.
I probably just need to git gudder.

>>2315631
I always have a full stock of ammo for everything because of how good the sword is.
Same for meter.

>>2315645
too obvious

this seems to be a mistaken choice of texture. i can only assume the author didn't know they were replacing slime05 when he made it.

>Can't map
>Can't mod
>Can't suggest good ideas
>Can't even win at something
>Only way to win at single player is using the resurrect command or to play in a COOP server
>everything ALWAYS ends in "git gud"

Give me a reason to keep playing doom, i fucking dare you

>>2315725
if you're not having fun then i don't see why you should keep playing

Any way to get ColorfullHell to work with Wrath of Cronos?

Items keep floating upwards every time I kill something.

>>2315725
>only way to win is to remove any form of punishment from the game

Not only do I think Doom isn't for you, I think video games as a whole isn't for you.

>>2315694
Which map?

>>2315535
>>2315558
>It's also kinda hard to take them seriously with that goofy skull for a head.

Honestly, that's why I went with it.
I tried to go with the sort of dumb coolness a 12-year-old would think is the most badass thing; so you've got these giant mechanical arms and spiked shoulders and horns and an oversized skull topping everything. And this tank which is nonsensically attached to a body.
And a chaingun dick which I was blissfully unaware of until someone pointed out the problem with a crotch-mounted chaingun firing white beams

>>2315631
>>2315638

Generally, my own MO is to use the sword just about exclusively for the first few levels, when the mapset is warming you up with the cannon fodder enemies. After you've got at least a full meter, then you can start whipping out the guns.
They're best used to weaken mid-tier enemies as you close the distance to finish them off with a sword, and to fight higher-tier enemies since getting in close to sword an Emperor is nigh-suicide unless you're Eric.

It's really tempting to use the guns and special attacks against the mooks, but (for the most part) it's an urge that needs to be resisted. The specials are for either massive crowds or higher tier enemies, using them on cannon fodder is just a waste.

>>2315771
oh, sorry. requiem 5. i have complained plenty about unlabelled screenshots and now i'm doing it.

>>2315725
>>Can't even win at something
>>Only way to win at single player is using the resurrect command or to play in a COOP server
it's just practice honestly. can we help you at all? are there any maps you can do without using resurrections? i mean, surely you can do E1M1 on HNTR.

>>2315354
Was that the giant pyramid map with the surrounding lava mountains? It made me quit AV for weeks. Hate spending ages running around and trying to find just what the hell a switch opened in a gigantic maze.

>>2315427
What wad is KS?

>>2315784
not him, but kama sutra i think

>>2315784
>>2315785
yes, the context, being juxtaposed with HR24, is a strong hint KSutra 28 was meant, as the latter is essentially a more difficult remake of the former, which itself is a beefed up cross between some plutonia maps, 24 and 27 iirc.

>>2315782
Yeah, that's the one. That map and the slaughter map 26 are so much more ridiculous than the other maps.

>>2315694
Just went into Doom Builder and fixed this.

And then went into Slade to copy the nodes and such of the original version, and then tested a demo and it didnt desync.

Thanks for pointing this out.

>>2315785
>>2315790
Yep, it was Kama Sutra.

>>2315419
Can you use "ABC#", i.e. having only one letter as a variable?

I sort-of figured out how to do what I want, albeit not tested it.
Main idea: the only time gun is bobbing, is when it is in the ready state, which is single frame, so I'll have to generate only that one frame for each gun combo, and I can slap a scope on it with the use of FLASH state.

The rest of the time, gun does not bob, and therefore I can use only it's Barrel as an "actual gun", while slapping the Chamber on it via FLASH state, and the rest (scope, accesory and elemental effect) with the ACS.

>>2315795
Doom Builder lacks intelligence when it comes to deciding if a node rebuild is necessary. in fact i believe it has no intelligence and brainlessly runs the node builder every time.

there are plenty of changes one can make to a map that don't require a nodebuild. in fact, most changes fall into this category. the only ones that do are moving a vertex, changing a linedef's vertex references to another in a different position, or changing the sector reference on either side of a linedef. (i am led to believe you can change a linedef's sidedef references as long as it the new sidedef references the same sector as the old one.)

>>2315816
>Can you use "ABC#", i.e. having only one letter as a variable?
No, but you can construct strings in acs and use setstate to make it easier to get to the state you want. You could also just name each state the sprite name you want to make it even easier.

>>2315419
Regarding the ammount of archetypes:
If we only take most prominent parts into account: Barrel and Chamber, here what we got, on the example of Assault rifles.
There are 5 manufacturers, each having different CHamber as base, with 5 quality tiers (5 texture schemes they use for materials), there fore we have 25 different skins for each part, and 7 different barrels. SInce it's not possible to slap skin on a sprite, we take it whole, resulting in 175 visually different combos - thats just for the Assault Rifles, not counting Scopes (5 variations), Accesories (6 variations) and elemental modules (4 variations), that can be slapped later via ACS and/or FLASH state.

There are 6 weapon types in BDL, which results in about 1050 various visually different weapon bases, not counting uniques (they have unique skins, and some of the parts are pre-set)

>>2315645
spooky

>>2315826
What I mean by different is different behavior, not just appearance.
For instance all the skins for whatever gun could have the same exact decorate and other code if you just defined their sprites via textures.
For a lot of the behaviors you could also get away with doing it in acs rather than decorate as to cut down on code.

>>2315828
I should also add that if you don't already know about it acs_executewithresult (which works like a function) is wonderful--for instance instead of having bullet damage need 6 different states and state jumps and instead have just a single action function with an acs call in it.

>>2315817
Yeah. Its a shame, since demo's are highly sensitive to nodes. Its why TNT31.WAD cannot play demos recorded in regular TNT.WAD's map31 without desyncing, despite such speedruns skipping most of the level. Though in that case, the node changes were necessary, as the original nodes caused a shotgunner to prematurely wake up and glitch the trap near the exit, which would've made 100% kills potentially not possible depending on run.

What are the best guns for a Renegade?

>>2315845

Have you considered shotguns?

>>2315845

Have you tried Shotguns?

>>2315845
Maybe shotguns could work?

>>2315230
Yeah 3 and 4 are great. They actually feel like a lot of care was put into them. 2 has some great maps, but it was unfortunately rushed out the door, and wasn't given proper testing.

1 is full of average newbie maps, which I guess was the original point anyhow. Nova: The Birth series I reckon is the true successor to it, as the later CCs kinda strayed away from being about giving lesser known mappers a time to shine.

>We will all be revenants before TSP Mk2 releases

>>2315860

>We will all be revenants before TSP MK2 releases

>>2315861
No, you won't get to be a revenant, you'll be a lost soul.

>>2315082
>D2INO
>Modern takes on classic maps

Huh? It was supposed to be entirely new maps based on nothing but the original names.

Chocolate Doom won’t let me play with sound effects probably thanks to my shitty headset. Is there another source port with fidelity in mind (or an optimal way to configure ZDoom)?

I was recently messing around with settings in Eternity, and I ended up screwing something up.
No matter what, my sound effects are always way to quiet, even when I max them out and put the music on lowest. I don't know what I did.
Any ideas on how to fix it?

>>2316219
Did you set the preamp to something really low?

>>2316221
No, it's still pretty high. At 90 to be exact.

>>2316230
What about the rest of the equaliser?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFLOGy9HOp4

oh no

>>2316263

http://www.doomworld.com/vb/doom-speed-demos/72205-beat-cyberdemon531s-demos-thread/

can someone please explain what's going on here? why is this guy being singled out for public humiliation, even including the Doomworld Grand Prize Insulting Custom TItle™ so nobody will ever forget it in the years to come.

Stuck in new gothic movement - I'm at the level with a load of cyberdemons, inv artifacts and bfgs. I've killed everything but can't find an exit! Halp! Using boom

>>2316276
you have a weird definition of public humiliation.

>>2316276
Huh? All I'm getting out of this thread is that they're just aiming to beat Cyberdemon531's demo times. He has the second most demos on the dsda.

>>2316323
map03? the exit is a small teleporter pad, far from the mountain, towards the sea. you just have to find it, it's fairly nondescript. i suggest using the automap.

>>2316276

That's...not public humiliation, anon.

>>2316337
>>2316338
>>2316352
all right, fine. i read the threads premise as "this guy's demos are shit, let's beat them into the ground until he stops posting". that's why i saw it as public humiliation.

i still don't see why he's being singled out though.

>>2316364

You should probably stop reading too much into things you don't know.
Looks to me like it's just an established bar to reach.

>>2316323
>>2316351
there's nothing to do other than avoid missiles.

>>2315725
Play Zandronum Single Player
Type Multiplayer in Console

Multiplayer Emulation Enabled

>>2316263

Of course it's a darysycho mod. I shoulda known.

>>2316263

You have my interest.

http://meganemausu.tumblr.com/post/114952476874/another-thingi-for-hdoomguy-this-time-its-the
nsfw obviously

>>2316392
How did nobody at Id ever notice they misspelled "gauntlet"?

>>2316605

How did I not notice that after years of playing?

>>2316605
>>2316610
it's not a misspelling, it's a deliberately chosen archaic spelling.
http://doomwiki.org/wiki/MAP03:_The_Gantlet_%28Doom_II%29

>>2316548
Those proportions are wack.

>>2316617

OH.
I get it now.

>>2314987
bloodborne is basically a more aggressive, fast paced dark souls that kicks your ass twice as hard

>>2316617
It's spelled Gauntlet on the automap though.

>>2316637
Can we please leave discussing Cuckborne to /v/?

>>2316649
>cuck

You first.
>>>/v/

>>2316618
>ideal proportion

Uh huh. Funny how the "ideal woman" is completely naked, but still wearing high heels like they're a part of her body. What is this artist trying to tell us?

>>2316648
no it isn't.

>>2316648
chocolate doom

>>2316648
prboom+

>>2316664

I don't usually frequent the DOOM threads (I believe in leaving people in peace to discuss their stuff unless you have a good reason not to). Nonetheless, I have specifically gone out of my way and posted in this thread for the express purpose of telling you how much of a loathsome Mod and Janny cocksucker you sound like thanks to that image you have posted. Hell, it reeks so blatantly of propaganda I almost wonder if you aren't a Mod or Janny yourself.

>>2316671
>>2316669
:O

I was wrong then, never mind.

Talk about a reality glitch. This is like the Berenstain Bears all over again.

>>2316664
YE OLDE BOOGEYMAN

>>2316659
>What is this artist trying to tell us?

That he works in advertising and teaches figure drawing.

>>2316659

That highheels are good and you should like them.
Or don't, but don't bitch about something a drawing of a fictional character wears

>>2316712
I don't care if a fictional character wears heels; what I don't like is artists who mansplain and try to push it as the "ideal."

THIS IS NOT A FUCKING DRILL
THIS IS NOT A FUCKING DRILL
ZANDRONUM 2.0 IS OUT
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOUT

>>2316715
>why does the cyberrunner wear heels

>>2316719

THE END IS NIGH

>>2316719
FUCK

>>2316721
Who are you quoting? I don't recall ever saying that.

>>2316719

>think you're shitting me
>check

HOLY SHIT IT'S REAL

>>2316719
Finally. Instead of a 10+ year old engine we moves to a 5-year old one.
AT LAST, PROGRESS! HOORAY!

Yes, reply! That's totally the okay thing to do and you totally don't wallow in your own fi-

>>2316719
http://zandronum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=5818

H O L Y F U C K I N G S H I T YOU'RE NOT LYING

>>2316719

Fuck me, that was unexpected

Finally, I can play push and Demonsteele without the goddamn fire button locking up, today is a good day

>>2316719
Eh, I hoped all G/ZDoom wads will be working, but nope, it's just ZDoom 2.5.

>>2316712
>>2316715
i can't believe you actually said "mansplain". anyway, please take this offtopic discussion elsewhere. thanks.

Has anyone seen this yet?
>>468929

How do i get that diminished lighting effect on gzdoom? Is it a software renderer thing?

I'm not talking about sector lighting. Btw

>>2316719
news post, obviously. >>2314247

>>2315631
Never play doom drunk, you could get yourself killed.

>200 Minutes of /vr/
This is actually pretty fun. Even the levels with less impressive visuals. I just like that I am not going through a fifteen or thirty minute level and get a nice dose of action and then pushed into a new level. It has been fairly enjoyable so far from what I played last night.

>>2316750

Too late, you got lost in the Zandro 2.0 reveal. Try in two days.

>>2316719
>>2314247

Feel free to use this text

"No, this ain't April Fools, Zandro 2.0 is here! http://zandronum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=5818"

New BD test is up. I think I fixed basically everything reported on the previous threads.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/hlx7cbgfm9dfu2g/brutal20test-mar29-2015.zip

Highlights:
- Fixed many bugs introduced on last test, specially the bugs of gibs breaking elevators.
- Improved kicks. They deal more damage, and have a better feel.
- Remade the "head soccer" system. It looks and sounds much better now. Just test it sometime.
- After you remove the arm from a Pinky demon, it will have a 50% chance of not dying and keep fighting you. He will move faster, but will eventually bleed out.
- Removed head bobbing effect from weapon reloads.
- Added 30+1 reload system to the assault rifle.

Also, remember to update to Zandro 2.0. Zandro 1.3 can't run the "Black Metal" and "Realism" difficulties properly.

>>2316842
>Fixed many bugs introduced on last test, specially the bugs of gibs breaking elevators.
Thank you Mark. I'm sure that will satisfy that one guy who was complaining about elevators. Cheers for actually doing the work.

>>2316712
>>2316721
>>2316742
PS is a known shitposter. Don't respond.

>>2316842(me)
forgot to add:
- Changed the way nutkicks works. Regular kicks won't hit Hellknights and Chaingunguys on the nuts. You must be looking at the ground at the moment you do the kick.

>>2316848
Actually my fault for using Zandronum instead of GZDoom as the default sourceport.

>>2316842
Thanks huehuehueman.

>>2314780
>halls of the darned

>>2316842
Runs well, haven't encountered any bugs yet.

>>2314937
>ultimate doom
>worse than doom 2
aww is somebody butthurt about e4

>>2315128
unless you want to turn doom into a retardedly difficult survival horror game than yes use wasd+m
>>2315378
it doesnt break anything though unlike jumping/crouching so theres no harm really

>>2316870
You can snipe outside of autoaim range with mouselook.
You can use the BFG/Rocket launcher in ways not intended as well.

These are the only issues.

>>2315128
WASD+Horizontal mouse movement only. There is no need to play with the arrow keys anymore

>>2316872
>You can snipe outside of autoaim range with mouselook.
this is a problem in other wads but iirc theres never a scenario like this in doom 1
>You can use the BFG/Rocket launcher in ways not intended as well.
like how? freelook also keeps you from accidentally killing yourself with the rocket launcher's autoaim too

>>2316883
and i dont think that autoaim/freelook range is even a problem in software mode

>>2316883
>freelook also keeps you from accidentally killing yourself with the rocket launcher's autoaim too
Well this for starters.
You can also shoot rockets near enemy feet or at ceilings to force splash damage.

For the BFG just think of the BFG wall shot trick but apply it to the floor. Not really practical unless you NEED those rays but it is not an intentional use since it takes mouselook.

>>2316906
uhhh i guess its unintentional but how is the rocket splash damage thing cheating? and do you mean the silent bfg trick? i thought they fixed that in modern source ports

Oh sheit!

>>>/h/3920109

>>2316719
AW YISSS

>>2316842
Hey, neat.
>- Removed head bobbing effect from weapon reloads.
Oh thank god.

>>2316928
o-oh my

>>2316917
I meant that you can aim the BFG ball towards the floor or angle it to make it explode sooner.

The rocket splash thing isn't cheating, it's just not intentional to the game and you can use the rockets in ways that it's normally not able to.

They aren't necessarily big changes that change the game a lot, but they are changes that one should be aware of if mouselook is on.
Also mouselook lets you actually use rockets effectively for flying targets

>>2316849
You're right, I shouldn't have derailed the thread. Have some rhodochrosite.

>>2316364

I know, right? it takes a while to get a hold on how doomworld discusses things. both doom related and not related. Don't worry, you'll get used to it.

>all this talk about if mouselook is acceptable or not.

I want Doomworld to leave.

>>2316917
>i thought they fixed that

I guess it's like those "fixes" that piss the traditionalists off, like the BLOCKMAP one.

>>2316712
this discussion makes me want to see hae-lin and lydia in heels, hae-lin in elegant formal wear stumbling around while lydia's all prim and proper

>>2317027
Theres plenty of Doomworld users who use freelook, though.

so wait, what mods are now usable that we couldn't use before?

if anything?

because if it's nothing, it's fucking nothing.

>>2317202
>because if it's nothing, it's fucking nothing.

good thing it's not nothing
seriously, how much of an autist do you have to be to look at a massive version jump and say "WOW WHAT EVEN MODS CAN I PLAY ON IT??? IT'S FUCKING NOTHING"
like
are you fucking dense?
all of the zdoom mods between 2.3.1 and 2.5.0 are playable now

>>2316842
Purist still needs a little work. There's a bug where Doomguy will briefly lower his weapon when collecting something.

>>2317202

inferring to 2.0

>>2317209

"all the mods"

that doesn't help. give me examples you fuck.

>>2317214

really? i have to spoonfeed you just because you think such a massive codebase jump is fucking nothing?

hah
hah
haaaaaah

have two mods, find out the rest on your own:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/76650/project%20files/mkww-ah.7z
http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?file=combos/rslshino.zip

>>2317223

>literally nothing

haah

waaw

woop te doo. some maps. fuck off.

>>2317223
>>2317214
>>2317212
>>2317209
>>2317228

>231 250

>anywhere near significant

should of fucking updated it to the latest revision.

who gives a shit about that.

might as well not updated at all.

how shit.

>>2317228
>some maps

okay, so you're not just autistic, you're legit retarded
try harder next time, nerd

>>2317228
You obviously are too busy being a massive bitch to care about the update or ask politely about compatibility. How about you go play on a console that better caters to your shitty attitude

>>2317223
>>2317209

ebin meme comrade. maybe you should pretend that literally nothing is at all significant.


>some obscure ass wads
fuck off.

"that one guy" strikes again and shits up another fine thread

janitor, if you will?

>>2317232
>>2317231

lol.

>implying some fucking reskins matter

name one wad that will make me give a shit.

>>2317239

>waaah it doesn't conform to my delusions of this being not absolutely worthless, ban he!

>>2317243
nah, because you'll just be a contrary bitch and say it doesn't matter

oh, like you are now

>>2317245
lol what are you talking about i just got here

byeee

why were so many niggers killed in the Vietnam war??

because when the sergeant said to "get down", they all got up and started dancing.

****************************


What does a nigress and an ice hockey player have in common?
They both change their pads after 3 periods

***************************


What did God say when he made the first niggers?
Oops! Burnt another one!

***************************

A Mexican and a nigger are riding in car . . who's driving?
A cop!
What happens when you stick your hand in a jar of jelly beans?
The black ones steal your watch and rings.

>>2317247

>doesn't provide anything

so it doesn't matter at all and this is basically nothing anyway. thanks for confirming.

Hey regarding the update in a non shitposting manner:

Is the fire button sticking issue truly fixed? I've been told a few times over it has been but I'm still worried. I can't play it and see for myself yet. Has anyone who suffered from that issue when playing online noticed a change?

>>2317250
>provided several gameplay mods
>"some maps"
>furious backpedaling
no problem, i'm always on hand to help confirm your status as whiny bitch

>>2317253

>some fucking obscure shit nobody cares about that could be ran with the previous version anyway.

sad. this is how gullible people are

>>2317252

Seems to be so. I've been on a few test servers and mouse has never stuck.
Of course, now that I say that it might suddenly pop out of the blue, but for now it seems safe.

>>2317257
>he actually thinks he's right

sad. this is how retarded people are.

>>2317259

I'm pretty hyped for this. My fire button sticking has ruined me in a lot of mods and even in vanilla play. It sucks when secondary sticks when you're gauntlet boosting in Push and you keep firing and overshoot the platform. I mean I'm bad enough as is on push. I don't need extra help on sucking

>>2317261

>still doesn't supply a reason anyone should give a shit about this update

still trash.

call me when we acctually can play GZDoom/Zdoom wads that mean anything. RLA, Reelism, RO, whatever. just don't be retarded.

What do you call two blacks on one bike?
Organized crime! -bobo

Why are niggers getting stronger?
T.V.s are getting bigger! -tim

What happened to the nigger who had an abortion?
Crime Stoppers sent her a check for $500! -tim

Why don't nigger bitchs wear panties to picnics?
To keep the flies away from the chicken! -michael

What's the difference between a truck full of baby niggers and a truck full of bowling balls?
You can't unload a truck full of bowling balls with a pitchfork!

What does FUBU stand for?
Farmers Used to Buy Us

What does FUBU stand for?
Farmers Used to Beat Us

Why don't sharks eat niggers?
They think its whale shit!

Why do niggers call white people "honkies"?
Thats the last sound they hear before they get hit! -davey

What do they do with dead niggers in California?
Gut them to make wetsuits! -kara

Why does L.A. have so many fags and N.Y. so many niggers?
L.A. had first choice! -David

What do you call a chinese nigger with AIDS?
Coon Die Soon - David

What does NAACP stand for?
Niggers Against All Caucasian People

What does NAACP stand for?
Now Apes Are Called People -Brandon

Why are all the niggers fast runners?
All the slow ones are in jail.

oh look its "that guy" agen

>>2317265
>supplied two
>still whining about how it's obscure and literally nothing

kek
i gave you a chance
i win

later, nerd, i'm off to play
make sure your next crybabby response to this is super-funny

ITT: valvedrone edition

except it's torrdrone edition.

no reason to care for this update. still too many versions to care about this.

Whats the difference between niggers and snow tires?
Snow tires don't sing when you put chains on them!

How do you keep a nigger from going out?
Pour more gas on him! - Jarrett

Why do white folks go to nigger garage sales?
To get their stuff back. - J

How do you keep niggers out of your back yard?
Hang one in your front yard!

What does a nigger and sperm have in common?
Only about 1 out of two million actually work. - John

What do you do if you wake up in the middle of the night to see your television floating in mid-air?
Shoot the nigger stealing it.

What's the difference between a large pizza and a nigger?
A pizza can feed a family of four.

What's wrong with four niggers in a cadillac going off a cliff?
A cadillac seats five! - Garrett

>>2317274

Just trying to get the slower-than-usual mods' attention, don't mind me.

>>2317276

>CONTINUES to not supply anything anyone gives a shit about

Get this meme shitter out of here

>>2317278

You couldn't even reply to the guy you were arguing with. So you're a bitch AND spineless. Well done!

>>2317281

>this bait

Stop shitposting. Also stop shitposting about 2.0 being anything of note.

>>2317279

FINISH HIM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FdgYOhEKUk

>>2317279
>Just trying to get the slower-than-usual mods' attention, don't mind me.

We get this every Zand release, some dork whining about how it's "literally nothing" or something like that.
This is nothing new or even interesting.

But, uh, feel free to continue posting gay furry porn in the vain idea that you're somehow helping, I guess?

>>2317287

Well considering the fucker's not giving me some well known wads we couldn't use before, I don't see the point.

In other words, It really is nothing.

>>2317287
>We get this every Zand release
New Zand release? The fuck are you tal-

ALLAHU AKBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR

>>2317294
And I was just about to go to sleep.

Fuck.

Only the dead know peace from this shitposting

What a terrible update. Why the fuck should anyone care.

Back to GZDoom it is.

>>2317239

shut the fuck up and stop backseat moderating, cyber__demon

>>2317313
Yes, back to Gzdoom and it's horrible Net play.

>>2317313
>Back to GZDoom it is.

oh yes because gzdoom has such a great netcode :^)

>>2315828
Alright...
I think I figured it out, but...
HOW THE HELL DO I make the parts of the gun assembled via ACS (aka most of them) conform to the lighting conditions?

>>2317343

>Terrible netplay with supreme gameplay and notable mods

>nothing notable wads with good netplay

ill go with the lack of netplay.

>>2317343
>>2317345

Why are you talking to him? He's gonna whine about it no matter what you say.

Hell, he's going to say "nothing notable" and then you'll try to bring up a list and then he'll still dismiss it as "literally nothing".

>>2317349

>strawmanning like this

Posting two wads that nobody gives a fuck about is not notable, nor anything.

How about post wads that people will acctually care for.

>>2316842
So far I haven't noticed any major bugs, though I did notice an imp disappear when I went to neckbreak him when he wasn't alerted, from behind. He just ceased to exist, none of the others nearby had the same issue.

I think the pinkie dismemberment thing is pretty cool, I like how it adds a little unpredictability. It'd be awesome if you were able to do that for a few more monsters, like zombies shrugging off some body damage, etc. As long as they bleed out fairly quickly it shouldn't mess with balance too much.

>Apperantly Halo 4 has a refrence to Marathon.

Shit, I'm not even mad. That's actually impressive.

>>2317390
>Apperantly
Aparrotly

>>2317392
>Aparrotly

Appuruntly?

>>2317392

SHOO SHOO ZDAEMON GHOST

>>2317398

Anon i'm a gundamfag too and i like ZZ on top of that but please go lewder

>>2316842
noticed two things

>[may be video card/version specific|pic related] "growing" blood puddles display borders

>demon corpses interfere with elevator operation (tested in doom2 "the gantlet" in the big room with the pit and the pinkies)

used gzdoom 1.9

>>2317390
is that even legal?

Halo 4 is owned by MicroSoft Game Studios.
Marathon is owned by Bungie.
I'd hazard that there's a copyright issue somewhere in there.

>>2317346
Not really possible, maybe get player sector light level but I don't know how to change gun sprite light level in acs.

>>2317404
>>2316842
Pinky gibs still block elevators.
So much for "fixing everything".

>>2317420

Don't worry, it's "only one guy" reporting that, so it's clearly not important.

>>2316842

hi sergeant mark iv! i see you have managed to find some time to work on brutal doom in between telling suicidal people to kill themselves, going off on racist rants, and getting banned from absolutely every doom-related forum for being an arrogant, egotistical jerkoff. is this the version of brutal doom that has textures from real gore pictures on the internet that you spent hours photoshopping because you're a lonely little weirdo?

>>2316842
also have you been reduced to going to 4chan, of all places, to promote your mod because you have alienated yourself from virtually every other place on the internet and nobody wants you around because you're an attention-whoring shitposter and a huge embarrassment to the entire doom community?

Let's not give a shit about gameplay for this one question

What's your fave maps/wads with kickass atmosphere?

>>2317418
Hmm... I can think of a workaround, but that would require an AWFUL LOT of extra shit thrown down the pipeline. (what I think - make png "tone maps" with % transparent black, then slap them on top of the weapon parts depending on the playersector lightlevel)

Otherwise, make the whole gun always fullbright. but that will hurt the immesuhn.

what do you think?

>>2317428
>>2317430

Look. Mark's a shitter but he's been behaving when posting his updates. So let's not stir more shitposting.

And Mark? Might I suggest making more maps? Never hurts to branch out

>>2317441
tbh I'd just ask the devs if textures will cause an issue in this application, and if not then go with textures since it solves a lot of the issues that pop up with assembling guns via acs.

>>2317428
>>2317430
>Mark gone fishing for whiteknights

And everybody's wanking off to an update that basically does nothing.

Jesus.

Nobody even lists the major wads this 2.0 would enable, It's a legitimate question, yet people get in a pissy when you ask.

>>2317408
Considering Borderlands 2 had many references to many things I wouldn't know what to say to that, but somehow I assume it being a "parody" would give it a get out of free jail card for it

>>2317408
references aren't a cause of legal concern

And even the janitors are in on it. Ask a question, they delete it.

No, really, what major wads does 2.0 enable.

>>2317446
Not possible. TEXTURES would require me to predescribe every possible variation, which will not only bloat it horrendously, but also hit the limit on the texture definitions in the lump (IIRC it's about 65000)

W8 a minute...

I think there was some dual-wielding technique that have second gun slapped on with ACS, and it shows up propperly on the screen, light levels and all...

Now on to find it and figure out how it was done.

If anyone can suggest anything, they are welcome.

Janitor continues to delete the legitimate question.

What major wads does 2.0 enable? I ask a question, I want to know why I should care.

Calm your jets janitor.

I want to know what mods 2.0 would enable for Zandronum. Janitor's consistently deleting every time I ask.

>>2317440
Valhalla, Putrefier, Action Doom 2, Arcadia, BTSXE1/2, Hellcore 2.0, Mandrill Ass Project[/spoilers]

Lots of good shit out there.

>>2316719

NAH NAH NAH NAH
NAH NAH NAH NAH

HEEYYY HEYY HEYY

GOODBYEEE

>>2317469
>Not possible. TEXTURES would require me to predescribe every possible variation, which will not only bloat it horrendously,
Under a megabyte.
>but also hit the limit on the texture definitions in the lump (IIRC it's about 65000)
I did one that was 70,000 textures, here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxbbtKR5bll_VDk4TUhBbXJGamc/view?usp=sharing
>>2317469
>I think there was some dual-wielding technique that have second gun slapped on with ACS, and it shows up propperly on the screen, light levels and all...
>Now on to find it and figure out how it was done.
It's called synthfire. It abuses the flash state irrc, which limits you to only having 1 additional sprite on screen

Honestly I would just go with textures. I'm the only guy that's been replying to you this whole time and it's what I've said from the beginning.

Janitor stop.

I'm asking what wads would be usable that were not usable prior in Zandro before it hit 2.0.

>>2317486
Any wad that's compatible with Zdoom 2.5.0 with some possible exceptions due to multiplayer shenanigans.

>>2317490

Don't take the bait. He asked before, got answers, and threw a shitfit because it wasn't what he wanted.

>>2317490

Again, that isn't helping.

>>2317492

>bait
>gives wads literally nobody knows about/cares about

If I wanted that, I would of asked. I asked what would be enabled. you however, are the baiter.

RO isn't enabled
RLA isn't enabled
Reelism isn't enabled.

Give me EXAMPLES of MAJOR WADS.

See? He gets upset if it isn't the answer he wants.

>>2317503

>Implying I'm going to look at every single wad ever's readme to look to see if it's ZDOOM 250 compatible.

I asked for a reason.

>>2317503

>answer

You never answered.

>>2317506
>Implying I'm going to look at every single wad ever's readme to look to see if it's ZDOOM 250 compatible.
This is what you're asking everyone else to do in order to provide you with the answer you seek.

>>2316842

hi sergeant mark iv!

i see you finally found the time to work on brutal doom now that you've been banned from every forum you frequent for being an egotistical lunatic who lashes out at anyone who offers constructive criticism for your mod, gives suicidal people instructions on how to kill themselves, and spouts off racial/antisemetic trying-too-hard-to-troll nonsense in a desperate attempt to be noticed by people

what's it like to have completely alienated your fanbase and destroyed the possibility of anyone ever wanting to work with you on any game related projects in the future? also, are you still scouring the internet and sitting on your computer all night photoshopping pictures of real gore to use in brutal doom to show everyone how edgy and grimdark you are?

>>2316842

hi sergeant mark iv!

i see you finally found the time to work on brutal doom now that you've been banned from every forum you frequent for being an egotistical lunatic who lashes out at anyone who offers constructive criticism for your mod, gives suicidal people instructions on how to kill themselves, and spouts off racial/antisemetic trying-too-hard-to-troll nonsense in a desperate attempt to be noticed by people

what's it like to have completely alienated your fanbase and destroyed the possibility of anyone ever wanting to work with you on any game related projects in the future? also, are you still scouring the internet and sitting on your computer all night photoshopping pictures of real gore to use in brutal doom to show everyone how edgy and grimdark you are?

edit: this reply has been deleted by the mods multiple times to protect mark's fragile ego from my cruel, cruel words

>>2317535
>>2317539
Please stop shitting up the threads.

Thanks!

>>2317482
I think I figured it out. A combination of TEXTURES lump and heavy FLASH and ACS abuse.

I'll try to come up with something to actually look at when I'll think this through.

some janitor is going fucking mental and deleting posts left and right in this thread for some reason

i can see why he was not trusted with full moderator privileges, jesus christ calm down dude

>>2316842
hi sergeant mark iv!

i see you finally found the time to work on brutal doom now that you've been banned from every forum you frequent for being an egotistical lunatic who lashes out at anyone who offers constructive criticism for your mod, gives suicidal people instructions on how to kill themselves, and spouts off racial/antisemetic trying-too-hard-to-troll nonsense in a desperate attempt to be noticed by people

what's it like to have completely alienated your fanbase and destroyed the possibility of anyone ever wanting to work with you on any game related projects in the future? also, are you still scouring the internet and sitting on your computer all night photoshopping pictures of real gore to use in brutal doom to show everyone how edgy and grimdark you are?

edit: janitor is frantically deleting this post, but luckily he's too much of a pathetic failure to be trusted with ban privileges

edit edit: i have been accused of "assaulting" mark by saying these things. assaulting.

I kinda wish PrBoom+ had MAPINFO support. And idclev extended to actually allow you to warp to map numbers above 32 (megawads with maps 33-35 require you to use to -warp command, 36+ wont even work at all).

>>2317584
We had a guy like that back in the 5NAF General over in /vg/. I feel your pain.

>>2317594
GZDoom can do that. I've played a wad that had 42 levels. The IDClev cheat worked perfectly.

>>2317595
>We had a guy like that back in the 5NAF General over in /vg/. I feel your pain
I never really browsed that general, did he complain about MT/Mini-tuffs?

>>2317595
>GZDoom can do that.
He probably knows that anon. He just wants that feature in PrBoom+

>>2317597
no, that was another guy

>>2317595
>GZDoom can do that.

I'm well aware of that. However, I specifically want PrBoom+ to have it, because its features would prove very useful for more traditional megawads.

2002 A Doom Odyssey, a boom megawad, uses MAPINFO to give episode 4 unique midis, and to make secret exits to E5M1 and E5M2 work. However, this doesnt work on PrBoom+ due to lack of support for it.

>>2317605

>>2317584
>>2317587
>repost the same copypasta trying to start shit a million times
>repost "autistic children at play" too
gee I dunno scoob

>>2317608
yeah but he's the one posting it ergo he should get away with it

>>2317608
>implying both posts were made by one poster

pfff

>>2317608
i'm not the guy who posted either of those

i'm not sure i agree 100% on your police work there, janitor

>copypaste shitpost
>repeat for literally three hours
>posts get deleted
>WAAAHHHHHH JANITOR IS ABUSING POWER

heh

>>2317615
If I was the janitor I would have already deleted your posts.

>i'm not the guy who posted either of those
I don't believe you.

>>2317615
You're full of shit, that is you

>Be a few months ago
>Playing DOOM
>Feeling totally burnt out on the game
>Just can't enjoy all the maps using the same old assets that have been used for decades
>Can only get enjoyment playing the game with game changing mods and more unique maps
>Eventually get burnt out on that
>Realize I just can't enjoy the game anymore
>A few months pass
>Demonsteele has updated

M-Maybe it's time to give you another shot, DOOM-kun?

>>2317634

Doom will always love you and never forsake you.

>>2317634
Do it.
You can't escape easily anyways.

>>2317634
>>Demonsteele has updated

what?

>checks the news post >>2314247
>it's true

...not sure what to say.

>>2317634
>>2317656

Speaking of which.
With Zandro 2.0 out, this mandates a lot of tweaks and adjustments in order to make things run more smoothly. With the advent of CVARINFO, this meant an entire rewrite of the cvar system. So as to avoid the whole "cvars already exist" error, all of the cvars have been renamed with dst_ prefix instead of ds_. It's not perfect, sorry, but it's what happens.
Also, the Less Effects setting now has entirely different cvars in ZDoom and Zandronum, so changing one does not affect how the other plays in another engine. This is a useless feature to note. Nobody will care. But I suffered to get Zandro/ZDoom compatibility in a single build and I damn well want to note it down.

IF YOU DON'T USE ZANDRONUM, YOU CAN SAFELY IGNORE THIS UPDATE. This update is mostly a maintenance build filled with under-the-hood fixes to make sure server play goes smoothly.

http://www.best-ever.org/download?file=demonsteele-v0.81.pk3

>>2317642
>>2317646
>>2317656
Well, try as I might, I just can't get back into DOOM, Demonsteel is great and all... But I just don't really find it fun anymore, not really the mod, but DOOM as a whole, it just isn't fun for me anymore, no matter how I try to play it. Demonsteele is easily my favorite mode for DOOM, and not even that can hold my attention.

Sorry guys, it truly was a wild ride.

>>2317686
It's cool. Enjoy whatever games you end up getting into and maybe pay a visit to Speed of Doom or something on an off day.

Lord knows there'll always be more maps to play when you come back.

>>2317694
I'm sure I'll be back whenever Doom Golden Souls 2 is out.

I did try Speed of Doom awhile back, actually. I like the level design, just not really into slaughter wads.

>>2317697
>just not really into slaughter wads

Pfft, Its not like its Sunder or Slaughterfest series.

>>2317686

I have a friend I run mapsets with (co-op)

this brought the fun back for me.

>>2317719
>>2317671

oh yeah, we play everything with brutal doom at a higher hardness, so it's pretty nuts. RIP AND TEAR

Here's a doom monster idea.
A revenant head replaced with a lost soul that screams fire at the player and at low health will throw it's head at the player and explode.

>>2317671
NOPE STUFF'S BROKEN ONE SECOND

>>2317724
I have a better idea for vanilla monsters
Zombiemen shoot 1-to-3 shots, same for imps
Shotgunners shoot faster
Chaingunners keep shooting in pain state but are less accurate
Pinkies have a slash that reaches a little range, this is for when there's a small bump that blocks them. Less damage tho
Lost Souls are homing when shot from Pain elementals, and Pain elementals bite you in close range
Barons projectiles fly faster than Hell knights
Arch-vile is the same, doesn't need any improvement
Revenants shoot 2 rockets sometimes
Arachnotrons and mancubus could get a health buff so they hold 4 rockets at best.
Cyberdemon stomps you at close range
Spider Mastermind has Plasma resistence and BFG tracers don't trace him so he is more threatening and less SHIT
Icon of Sin has an invisible shield that takes damage then it breaks and you shoot to the brain.

>>2317634
>play Generic Annual Military Shooter #42
>realize how shit it is compared to DooM
>Get back to playing DooM.

This works for me.
Sometimes I alternate between Doom and Unreal - those two are my most favourite shooters of all times.

>>2317724
That idea's already been done to an extent. There's this Realm 667 monster called the Ghostrider that has that sprite design.

Also, Zandro 2.0 confirmed for hating Demonsteele.

>>2316842
why is the rifle back to being fully auto when zoomed? did someone complain?

>>2316775
glad to hear it. it gets nastier towards the end, though.
>>2316861
yes that one was my favourite too
>>2316875
>Horizontal mouse movement only
unless you need the vertical axis of your mouse for freelook, i still think novert is unnecessarily gimping yourself. being able to make quick or slow backward/forward moves with the mouse is so useful.
>>2316885
note that zdoom increased the bullet range from 2048 to 8192, although you're right it probably doesn't matter outside of levels like E3M6 or MAP13/15.
>>2317440
that's an easy one. Equinox.
>>2317486
that is not an unreasonable question
>>2317516
i would have thought someone would have known this already, given z&2 was so long anticipated it's reasonable at least one guy's been thinking "great now i can play blahifier10" and >>2317506 is just asking that guy to speak up.

>>2317761
>that is not an unreasonable question

Check the archive. He was being a shitter.

>>2317761
>i would have thought someone would have known this already
Pretty much nobody keeps track of what mods were around in 2.5 and not updated since then, people just know what runs on zdoom and zandronum, since they don't keep track of all functions used in each mod generally.

The other thing that makes it hard to answer is that there are probably a good number of gzdoom mods that can now be modified to run in zandronum. In many cases more advanced features from zdoom can be perfectly replicated in zandronum, albiet with more work, but people won't bother to do it if zand doesn't have a needed function since it would make porting the rest pointless. Expect to see some more things get a zand version in the next month or so.

>>2317774
that makes sense. thank you for a detailed response.

>>2317743
>Arachnotrons and mancubus could get a health buff so they hold 4 rockets at best.

I always felt that these two needed more health. It made zero sense to me that something as big and meaty as the Mancubus would be weaker than the baron and the arch-vile.

>>2317440
As much as I didnt like the gameplay, Hellbound definitely got atmosphere right.

Hey. How do I find motivation to continue working on my TC project? I'm stuck on a programming roadblock, which I know for certain is the only remotely advanced math/logic I'll ever need to solve.

>>2317780
What arachnotrons need to set them apart is A) some form of energy shield and B) the ability to fire on the move, perhaps with target prediction even. It'd make them feel like biological tanks rather than just a fatter and faster hellknight

>>2317782
Work on two projects.
When you get burnt out working on one, work on the other.
I heard that it helps, but I wouldnt know

>>2317594
>>2317605
MAPINFO support would definitely add more freedom to mappers who just want to make limit removing and boom maps.

They dont even need to do full support. Just allow for episode, map, and intermission definitions, and I'm sure everyone will be happy with it.

>>2317782

>>2317790
i don't think this is a good idea. if pr+ supported mapinfo it would, as you say, necessarily only support a subset of it. however, i can tell you this would just confuse people, who would keep trying to use zdoom mapinfo features and complain loudly that they didn't work as expected.

>>2317792
Zdoom did not invent mapinfo. It originated from Hexen. And theres already non-zdoom ports that support it, such as Eternity.

The confusion can easily be remedied by having a full explanation on how it works for PrBoom+.

>>2317791
I don't get it
>>2317787
Yeah that's probably it. Or I could do texture work and such for the project I'm already on.

>>2317792
>however, i can tell you this would just confuse people, who would keep trying to use zdoom mapinfo features and complain loudly that they didn't work as expected.

I really don't see how thats reason not to do it. Just because some people might not understand how it works, doesn't mean people who do understand shouldn't have the ability to do it. And like >>2317796 says, it should be easy to have it explained.

http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1356392

Skillsaw's released RC3 of Valiant. Might be on /idgames in a month or so, too, after more minor bugfixes.

I'm not "That Guy" from before and I apologize in advance if this unintentionally stirs up any sort of trouble..
But I'd like to politely ask what notable mods/wads are now playable on Zandronum that previously weren't before the update.

The Five Nights at Freddy's Doom mods, perhaps?

..I'm sorry if this is a touchy subject

>>2317814

I've heard several of Xaser's and Wildweasel's old mods are playable now.

>>2317814
The answer remains the same, all 2.5.0-era mods.
Compiling a list of every single now-playable or usable mod would be an exercise in futility.

If you're looking to play only the top of the line super-recent stuff like DRLA, Trailblazer, or the FNAF mods, then no.

>>2317816
Neato, would be cool to see some servers running those old weapon mods

>>2317818
Nah, you dont need to make a full list, I just gotta start experimenting.

Are there any good Doom streamers?

>>2317823
TerminusEst13?

>>2317823
DoomedSpacemarine, kahunahh used to, but hasn't streamed in a whole grip, I'm sure there's someone else.

Also jesus christ that picture is maximum creepy

>>2317803
he needs math/logic. call scroton!

>>2317825
He doesn't really have many gameplay videos in his channel

>>2317796
>Zdoom did not invent mapinfo. It originated from Hexen.
irrelevant. zdoom's mapinfo is heavily extended.

>The confusion can easily be remedied by having a full explanation on how it works for PrBoom+.
haha, you're cute. you think people read documentation...
if people read documentation i would not have to keep telling them e.g. to tag their linedefs and stop mixing flats and textures.

>>2317814
it's not a touchy subject as long as you realise the answer is that no-one really knows and you'll just have to try your favourite mod out and see what happens!

perhaps if enough people do this we can compile a list of things that are now available to play online.

>>2317836
Great idea, lets do this!

or Doom Gauntlet..
http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?random

>>2317835
>if people read documentation i would not have to keep telling them e.g. to tag their linedefs and stop mixing flats and textures.

Thats less of a documentation problem, and more people using zdoom for playtesting non-zdoom things. Usually its "my first map" noobs who do this.

>>2317835
>irrelevant.

It is relevant because Zdoom isnt the only damn thing that uses MAPINFO.

>>2317835
>haha, you're cute. you think people read documentation...

So no one in the community understands how MAPINFO works period? I guess it shouldnt exist anymore then, as according to you, know one is aware of how it works even for zdoom now.

>>2317835
>haha, you're cute. you think people read documentation...
If it werent for documentation, we wouldnt know how the MAPINFO lump works in the first place. So not a smart point, there.

>if people read documentation i would not have to keep telling them e.g. to tag their linedefs and stop mixing flats and textures.

Those people tend to be new to mapping, and think zdoom is okay for playtesting because its the first port they ever think of. Most experienced mappers know better than that.