/vr/ - Retro Games

X'Eye sounds just as good just slightly different and actually plays Sega CD games reliably

inb4 not x'eye

>>2318638
but that's not an x'eye, that's a megawonder. The megawonder has those cool LEDs and shit that the x'eye is missing.

I love the toaster model of the NES, mostly because of how different it is, and I honestly don't mind that the pins get bent, it's an easy fix, and I have my NES pre unscrewed in case I have to quickly disassemble. The top loader is also nice, but there's no real reason to own it unless you're a collector or already had it from the start.

Not going to lie, boasting about a specific revision of console is pretty pretentious.

>What is the best (or at least your favorite) variation of each /vr/ console?
That depends on what you want. There's no best revision of any retro console.

>>2318653
>inb4'd

>>2318667
>There's no best revision of any retro console.

>>2318657
The Famicom is just plain better. The carts are nice and easy, it takes up less space, the pads are nicer to hold.

About the only argument you could make for the NES would be the controller cable length.

Plus there's shit like the Twin Famicom.

>>2318681
I'm pretty sure there's 2 revisions.

Model 1 Saturn, I love the buttons and that little shiny fascia. A lot of model 2's have a video issue, too. Which is a shame, because the white Jap Saturn is easily the best looking.

The verdict is still out on the PS1, but I'd say one of the earlier models with the port with swapped in metal rails would be the definitive. I never liked the smaller redesign.

For the SNES, it's got to be the Super Famicom, a 1chip version with modded RGB. While the mini is technically better, I absolutely hate the design. A 50/60 mod in a PAL SNES is a hassle too. The US model has always looked ugly to me, although I do slightly prefer the button colors.

>>2318585
Euro Megadrive 1 is the best.
Suble "high definition graphics - stereo sound" marking and 16bit logo. And keeps the MD name

AV Famicom : small, nice, dogbone controller. And audio expension is fairly easily fixable.

Genesis Model 1 is easily my favourite. I like both SNES and SuFami, but SuFami has the better controller.
Saturn Model 2 White, goddamn sexy beast.
Don't know what model, but the squarish Playstation, never liked the circular one.

fuck it

>>2318714
>Euro Megadrive 1

Dat 50hz tho. Why pick it over the NTSC-J original?

>>2318721
Bulky 16 bit font, the red doesn't look as classy as the white.

A 60HZ mod is extremely easy, you just need to cut 2 traces and de-solder a capacitor. You can add a switch too, which is fun to see the differences between JP and US versions of the same cart.

>>2318667
>There's no best revision of any retro console.
You can't tell me that all revisions of the Genesis are equal.
The Model 3 is garbage, most of the model 1 and model 2s sound like junk.

My Master System 2 has Alex Kidd built in, but it's the euro version, and the hamburgers are replaced with rice balls.

Also the jump/attack buttons are the wrong way round.

>>2318685
>About the only argument you could make for the NES would be the controller cable length.
How about the fact that Famicom pads are hardwired? And stick out the side of the controllers? And there's no start/select on player 2?

And yeah, the cord length sucks too.

>>2318730
>You can't tell me that all revisions of the Genesis are equal.
Nowhere did I say that.
Your example about the Genesis is a good one though.
There's the VA2, VA3, VA4, VA5, and 3 versions of the VA6. All are model ones with the better quality sound. The VA2 sounds different from the others. And on top of those revisions you have TMSS vs non TMSS on some. I think the VA2, VA3, and VA4.
So is there's a best revision? Nope. Unless you particularly want a non tmss VA2. The other models 1s are basically the same performance wise. And again that would be opinion if you want the non tmss VA2.

>>2318757
So, assuming you're fine with TMSS, would a VA1 likely be your ideal revision then?

>2015
>still not owning the superior Sega Mega Drive model 2

>>2318774
What the hell am I looking at?

>>2318718
>Saturn Model 2 White, goddamn sexy beast.
It's a hideous and unispíred square box, which, frankly, marks the beggining of Sega's downfall and awful console designs - my eyes bleed just by looking at the dreamcast. The model 1 Master System and Mega Drive were absolutely creative and futuristic, they stood out. Saturn and Dreamcast? Bland squares, which disgust me. You should really rethink your aesthetic taste, anon.

I have a bit of an odd question. I have a great model 1 Genesis, but the smell is all busted up. It works great, but it just looks like ass. So I'm curious, if I buy a euro Mega Drive, with the guts from my Genesis fit inside it?

>>2318797
shell, not smell, goddamn it

>>2318767
I don't think there's a Genesis VA1 model 1. I have 3 VA2, 3 VA3, and a bunch of other revision model 1s just in my storage.

I stick to VA2 and VA3 non TMSS generally. The TMSS part doesn't really bother me much though.

I use to be really big on getting every revision for the SNES and Genesis but I've recently sold most my SNES consoles and just keep launch revisions SHVC-CPU-01 and 1chips. It's much easier to preserve these consoles when there's only 2 revisions to worry about.

>>2318790
You're contemplating pure and joyful third world glory, anon

>>2318792
Dreamcast doesn't look great, I agree with you on that. But I love this design. The black line, and the uber sexy "Sega Saturn" on the top, which contrasts so well with the rest of the console.

>>2318815
I'll grant you the Saturn is indeed appealing, especially the white one, but I just can't see how it lives up to the previous model 1 Sega designs. If it weren't for the Sega brand I would think it would be a Sony console. Imagine how cool and edgy this beast was back in 1986, it was simply glaring.

>>2318820
They did a good job revising this thing.

This little thing here is my favorite NES clone, but it doesn't just stop there. It's also a keyboard with text editing software, a calculator and it has a whopping 256k bits of memory, which allows you to compose 8 bit songs with its potentially stolen software and save them for later.

This next one is a Mega Drive clone, by its time it was cheaper than the offical console and it came the its own Power Base adaptor. Unfortunately, it couldn't thrive due to the authoral rights owned by TecToy. Its build quality wans't amazing, but it had an unbelivably good quality for the games - it was almost if not exactly like the Model 1 Mega Drive.

This is the phantom system, a NES clone that looks an awful lot like the atari 7800 - that it because Gradiente intended to release the 7800 in Brazil but due to its huge blunder in the USA it decided to use the cases for a Nes clone, quite potentially.

>>2318843
O forgot the picture

It really surprises me that people care about clones. But then again there are a lot of 3rd worlders with internet these days.

>>2318757
>>2318767
MD VA0,VA1, VA2 and Genesis VA2 sound the same : slightly better highs but distorded sound on loud games due to wrong amp.
VA3 to VA6.5 (any region) sound slightly more muffled because of lower filter but have correct amp.
VA7 (aka model 2 in model 1 shell) and 90% of model 2 sound shitty.

It should be noted that VA0-2 amp can be corrected, and VA3-6.5 filter can be changed to match VA0-2 value. Only needs some resistors and caps

Model 2 needs mega amp to sound good.

>>2318686
Then whichever revision proves to have more reliable sound caps

>>2318853
Caps should be replaced regardless of revisions for all retro consoles.

My favorite iteration of the Saturn, which just happens to also be the best.

>>2318868
Why's it the best?

>>2318872
Sega hardware is sexy when sleek and black. See:
>SMS
>Genesis
>Game G-Saturn

>>2318878
So subjective opinion, ok.

>>2318878

White Saturn is sexier.

>>2318868
>>2318872
Dat Mk2 controller

>>2318868
The Model 2 was a blatant "oh no, Sony is beating us, let's rip them off" version. Round buttons? All one bit of plastic?

Come on. While the Model 2 has better controllers, it's not hard to pick them up second hand. The higher quality and better looks of the model 1 outweigh the bundled controller, which really shouldn't come into the equation if it isn't hard-wired in.

I just had dinner but I've come back to show one last awesome NES clone: the Top Game. It was quite revolutionary by then because it was natively compatible with the 60 and 72 pins cartridges. Having to buy an adaptor was quite an annoyance among the clones, and this gorgeous thing just nailed it down.

>>2318921
Here's its box.

>>2318921
That's interesting. How was it compatibility-wise?

>>2318921
Wow, definitely not a bad design overall either.

>>2318943
I'm not really sure because I have never owned one, but I can guarantee it was excellent and most likely had a near 100% compatibility. Brazil has a myriad of excelling clone consoles for the NES because Nintendo never really oficially released it in Brazil before 1993, thus, there was a legal loophole and many enterprises manufactered their own clones for an easy profit given that the population really wanted a NES and Nintendo disregarded it oficially. The clones were completely allowed in Brazil. Here's some content that requires Portuguese with actual gameplay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2R0RhIbiTU

Those are most of the clones released in Brazil:

http://www.nesarchive.net/v1/brasil/clones.htm

The Top Game had one of the most beautiful boxes I've ever seen, it's baffling and very high quality. Those clones are rather unknown even today in Brazil so they go for very cheap prices, so they really are interesing and collectible items.

Pokemon N64 for life. I brought one for like 30 bucks a few years ago and wouldn't dream on having another N64 instead

>>2319375
Fascinating. Did they play 60- or 72-pin games? Any region lockouts that you know of?

>>2321437
Not all of them. As I said before, the Top Game did so natively, others required an adaptor but some actually included them in the package, like this one >>2318836. The Dynacom Magic Computer PC 95 was natively compatible with 60 pins NES games, but it included an adaptor for 72 with it. I still laugh a little internally by the thought that a keyboard plays NES games. If I recall properly, most clones were 60 pins native because most of the multicarts had this standard. Here's another Dynacom Nes clone being shamelessly advertised for everyone to see.

>>2318585

Fat SNES over Slim SNES, even when taking the enhanced picture clarity into account. It looks nice and all, but there never seemed like that big of a difference to warrant rebuying the console. Otherwise, I'm a pretty big fan of console redesigns. Anything that runs smoother and takes up less space is alright by me. I recently swapped out my regular Xbox 360 for an E model and I'm loving every minute of it.

Although I have a top loading NES, I missed out on getting one when they were new. I lament not getting to try the dog-bone shaped NES controllers...

>>2319375
>clones
>interesing and collectible items.
Only if your name is Stuart Ashen.

>>2318729
You can only use rgb for whichever hz speed is modded in though though

>>2318868

While I think the model 1 has a slicker look, I really like my model 2, and wouldn't change it for a model 1. I like the bold SEGA logo just above the controller ports, facing you.

I also like it better than the white Saturn. I still think those fucshia buttons look out of place. The white controllers are sexy though, but I'd rather have the Smoke ones.
All in all model 2 is still my fav, and that controller is my favorite controller ever.

>>2318730
that's because some of us bought from companies that actually gave a shit about their product.

I have never heard a real life genesis that sounded as good as an emulated one. and that's sega's fault, not mine.

>>2321954
What the fuck are you on about? You switch to 60, you get 60hz RGB. Switch to 50, you get 50hz RGB, and usually big black bars and slow music because almost no games were PAL optimised. How is that any different to an NTSC console? Some have funky clock speed issues going on, but RGB means you never have an issue with getting color output at the correct refresh rate.

>>2318729
>A 60HZ mod is extremely easy

It'll output a nonstandard sync that many TVs and upscalers will have problems with.

>GBC
Neotones Ice
>Master System
Original black/red
>Saturn
Black with square-ish controller
>Wonderswan
White

NES instead of Famicom
Super Famicom instead of SNES

>>2322063
it's nonstandard color carrier, which matters only for composite and s-video.
if you use it as sync for RGB, or directly use the Csync on the CXA, it's a non issue.

>>2318585
Best one.

>>2318681
I prefer the Coregrafx 2 + Super CDROM2. It's basically the same, but just looks way cooler.

>>2318585
I would be surprised if you had said anything else regarding the Sega Genesis.

Even the half board model 2 comes nowhere close to the High Def TMSS Model 1. And dat stereo sound with headphones on, to this day is as crisp and clear as it can get.

>>2318804
but it's funnier with smell

yes, it should fit.
also what the fuck is this dancing robot fucker?

>>2322149
There's also this.
It's April Fools day

>>2322154
>It's April Fools day

every year i forget. it's my good friends anniversary and that always overshadows child-prank day

I prefer the Atari Junior but own the original 2600 for collector purposes

>>2322084
>>2322063
>>2318729
The cpu actually runs at a different speed. Unless you do a true 60hz mod by replacing the Crystal Oscillator it will not being running 60hz.

>>2318851
I love my VA6. Great sound output and no rainbow banding.

Mad that I can't play Populous doe.

>>2323931
53.6931/7 = 7.67 MHz (Genesis)
53.203/7 = 7.61 MHz (Megadrive)
That doesn't change anything because games are not clock based.

>>2323990
You'd be wrong.

>>2321514
Since when was the SNES model 2 supposed to be for people who already have a SNES model 1?

>>2324023
Japan. That whole bullshit with the 3DS XL not coming with a charger? They started that shit back in the fucking 80s over there. The SuFami didn't come with one, the Jr didn't come with one, the AV Famicom didn't come with one, they seriously just expected everyone to just use the adaptor from the original Famicom for everything.

>>2324031

The Famicom and Super Famicom use a generic AV connector. You can use the same on for the Megadrive, too.

captcha: dsixp

>>2324014
I'd love to see any actual evidence for this. Videos of NTSC vs PAL that aren't the obvious 50/60 comparisons.

>>2324034
You mean power, and it's hardly generic. It's centre negative.

But I'm glad it's the same as the MD model 1, means I can use my Super Famicom without any issue in Europe.

They fucked it all up outside of Japan though, NES will run off MD, but if you use a NES power supply on a SNES or MD, it'll kill them with AC. Even the US SNES was retarded, you need an adaptor because they changed the plug.

>>2324040
>I'd love to see any actual evidence for this. Videos of NTSC vs PAL that aren't the obvious 50/60 comparisons.

BuckoA51 and Fudoh have talked about it.

A video wont show much.

>>2324049
What's the take home message? PAL runs at 59.97 rounded up to 60 or some other utterly meaningless bullshit that means you might occasionally lose a frame an hour, or the sprite flickering might be one pixel out of alignment with true NTSC? Seriously, if there's no real world difference, you're jerking yourself off over nothing.

>>2324056
Well NTSC isn't exactly 60hz. That's just rounded. The problem with PALshit mods that don't do it correctly (aka the lazy shit you're talking about) is it's not running at NTSC speed. Leads to stuttering and other weird effects. The stuttering isn't much of a problem on a CRT but a CRT will still be effected by weird effects like odd colors appearing.

>>2324063
So literally zero issue unless you're gaming on an LCD like a retard. Honestly, the refresh rate should be the furthest thing from your mind at that point.

>>2324076
You can't read huh?

>gaming on an LCD like a retard.
Well what ever you like man.

>>2322084
>if you use it as sync for RGB, or directly use the Csync on the CXA, it's a non issue.

PAL Megadrive in 60hz doesn't use proper NTSC timings for sync. This is not a problem on CRTs, but it is enough of an issue with digital equipment that it has problems on some TVs. On my TV (panasonic plasma), the picture cannot center itself properly, it is shifted too much to the right (or maybe to the left, I forgot). If I use normal composite for sync, it will sometimes randomly jump between centered and shifted, if I use c-sync, it will be stable but always shifted.

And on the xrgb mini a 60hz modded pal megadrive supposedly doesn't even work.

>>2324056
ntsc is 59.94 as I recall. Megadrive PAL in 60hz is slightly lower than that. Some machines are even weirder, like Neogeo which is 59.3hz. They all work on CRTs, but digital equipment (upscalers, modern TVs) may flunk out from those.

>>2318685
Top loading famicom with a nes adapter on standby is the onlything any practical /vr/teren needs.

>>2318709
Model 1 Saturn had terrible shoulder buttons on the pad though.

The re-released pad was a huge improvement.

>>2324475
Don't forget at least a composite mod. That's the one downfall of the original Famicom.

A nes adapter isn't really needed when you can just buy an everdrive or one of those pirate carts with 400+ games.

>>2324479
Sure, but it's all about the console design. You can buy model 2 pads anywhere.

>>2318831
I always thought the MKIII looked better. Personal preference I guess.

>>2318868
Agreed.

>>2321514
Snes model 2 was a far cheaper variant than the Megadrive 2 was to the megadrive.

Makes me wonder about Wii Mini.

>>2324527
>Wii mini

Shit. Utter shit. Never purchase, you will regret it.

>>2324479
Only the domestic model 1 Saturns have the awful controller. Much like the Xbox, we adopted the Japanese controller for the model 2. Besides, it's not like the controllers are region or model specific. As the above poster said, far too many model 2 Saturns have sync issues with the disc drive causing on-screen flickering that you're better off getting a model 1.

>>2324579
>As the above poster said, far too many model 2 Saturns have sync issues with the disc drive causing on-screen flickering that you're better off getting a model 1.

All the earlier and later model 2s are just fine. Of course, the later model 2s were japan only since they stopped making USA machines pretty early.

>>2324663

I can confirm my model 2 US Saturn bought in 1996 (or maybe it was 97) doesn't have any flickering issue or anything weird like that.

>>2321514
>I lament not getting to try the dog-bone shaped NES controllers...

I have one, it's pretty nice. The original NES controller is still perfectly fine, but the dogbone's D-pad feels more like the SNES D-pad.