/vr/ - Retro Games

>Psycho Pinball on the Sega MD
>Addams Family
>nope, wish I could
I imagine owning a table might be costly if you aren't familiar with the inner workings with no clue as to repairing one when it inevitably breaks

I'd like to get into pinball but I'm fucking terrible and somehow I don't feel like I'd get much better. I believe we have some kind of competitive league in my neck of the woods, I wonder what sort of characters it attracts.

>>2293569
I'm not great at pins though I love them. The tactile/kinetic nature of the game is very satisfying and a good table makes you feel like you can get better.

The Dracula (based on the Coppola film) table is great fun, if a little weird. T2 is lots of fun and has a cool gun trigger. There's a new-ish Spiderman, I don't know which movie it's from but it's very playable, if a bit on the easy side. Favorite of all time is probably Twilight Zone.

I'd love to own one someday but I'll have to live somewhere more permanent.

Would get if I had the money

>>2293589
Watch some Youtube if you just want to learn some basic techniques. Otherwise I'd say just pick a table you enjoy playing and practice. Learn the layout and how to shoot for certain lanes, when to hold the ball, how much you can shake the machine without tilting, etc. You'll get better.

Most pinball players I've met (here in Portland) are fairly typical friendly dudes you'd meet in a bar. It's a good way to shoot the shit.

>>2293594
Just started shipping this week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFq2s8HuCHg

I really loved as a kid one table that I can't find online. It was a Star Trek pinball, based on the classic series but more recent (at least late80s-early 90s) than the 1979 classic table, when you hit some targets the screen above shows that you just hit some klingon or romulan ship. Similar to the Next Generation pinball as a machine, but different in theme.

>>2293612
This one?

>>2293618
Not exactly, it didn't had that little holographic thing above with the characters, but the screen showing points and targets is the same, maybe it was a remake or some poorer version.

>>2293569
The realistic one doesn't apply to timeshock though as they have made real table of it all mechanisms included i believe. http://www.pinballnews.com/games/timeshock/index.html

>>2293594
So these are exact replicas?
Medieval Madness tables are insanely expensive, what's the cost on these new ones?

>>2293627
Making a real table almost 20 years later doesn't change the fact that the original game was made from scratch.

>>2293668
Of course but it does prove timeshock didn't feature any virtual only mechanisms impossible for real life production.

>>2293569
Digital Pinball Necronomicon on the Saturn is probably my favourite pinball game ever.

They remade Last Gladiators on mobiles... I wonder if they could do the same to Necronomicon. Might have some problem with the rights though (the game uses John Petrucci music and HP Lovecraft themes).

>>2293569
Pinball isn't fun.

>>2293826
You're a fucking dumb ass if you can't have fun playing pinball. Maybe some current FPS games are more your speed.

>>2293856
>YOU DON'T LIKE X THING I LIKE SO YOU MUST LIKE Y THING I DON'T LIKE
Great assumption, faggot.

>>2293652
$8k

>>2293932
>I WILL SHITPOST JUST TO GET RESPONSES
>I GOT A RESPONSE, BETTER DEFEND MYSELF!

>>2294479
>I respond to obvious bait!
Don't do this.

>>2294612
neat but Cyclone is already in steams achievements list.

>>2294636
A man can dream, damn it!

>>2294612
>Sega logo
Fake as fuck, they have to call all DE and Sega tables Sterns as part of their licensing agreement.

>>2294671
Phantom of the Opera doesn't have the Stern logo, and the "History" page for that table clearly says "First Data East table on Pinball Arcade"

>>2294671
Better?

>>2293978
What is that? Looks rad.

>>2294784
fantasy >>2293569, Pinball FX2, table is called Mars.

>>2294718
I haven't played the game in a while, but I can assure you it was there at one point. Starship Troopers also has the logo from what I remember.

They can call it a DE in the description (and on the display since it's part of the software), but all the DE logos on the art are removed.

A year ago, I went to a place with the Stern Indiana Jones cabinet in a dark corner. I know it's the inferior version, but I had a bit of fun with it because of it's 8-ball multiball mode.

This past weekend, I went back there for a birthday party. They still had IJ, but now it was right at the front near the entrance. Ended up playing the shit out of it; scored one replay after another. Sadly, though, it had fallen into a bit of disrepair. The sensor needed to progress through 'Last Crusade' was non-responsive, and occasionally there would be a lag/delay of anywhere between 15-30 seconds before it would kick out balls dropped into 'Last Crusade' and 'Temple of Doom'. Hell, I came close to nearly breaking the machine because, during the aforementioned multiball, I dropped too many balls into 'Last Crusade'. Took forever for it to kick them out, during which time the game would count it as a ball drain even though the mode was still active. But the game kept registering an absurd number of hits at that time, to the point where it helped snag me a high score.

>>2294876
Played more than any other.

>>2293680
>...but MAY use props or mechanisms that would be prohibitively expensive or impractical for a real table
Notice the modality. Making Timeshock into a real table is expensive, which is a fact admitted even by the Silvercastle team. There are also lots of small details that wouldn't work with IRL physics like the height of ramps (which were programmed to be about 50% less steep than their visual height in the game) and the whole orbit rail system.

Fantastic Journey is an even better example of impracticality: the basic gameplay is nothing unrealistic, but good luck trying to fit big vehicle toys (with built-in scoops and switches) and a system that changes between them reliably inside an actual table.

>>2293569

True Pinball
The Vikings table
No but luckily my local cinema has an Indy Jones table.

>>2293826
>>2293856
>>2294524
You are dense shitheads.
But yeah I didn't find endless barely controllable ball kicking 'fun' too.

>>2294470
Bullshit

>tfw planning to visit one of Germany's two only pinball museums this year
>tfw they open for four hours on saturday and sunday each and for the 9€ entry fee you can play as much as you want for free from a choice of over 100 tables
>tfw it's a unique opportunity to play tons of awesome tables all in one place, like Revenge From Mars, Dracula, Black Knight 2000, Star Trek TNG, Indiana Jones, Addams Family, Firepower, Pinbot, list goes on
Can't fucking wait.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHx4ta2vAbE

>>2295291
Look around, it's true. Most sought after pins are several thousand dollars. It's not a new phenomenon.

>>2295313
That's awesome. We have a pretty great museum in Las Vegas. All the tables are in great shape and we'll maintained. It almost brings tears to my eyes.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=10&v=_hYjqeYrW0U

>>2295291 #
Look around, it's true. Most sought after pins are several thousand dollars. Prices have been fairly consistent for a long time, unlike the recent retro video game bubble.

>>2295313 #
That's awesome. We have a pretty great museum in Las Vegas. All the tables are in great shape and we'll maintained. It almost brings tears to my eyes.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_hYjqeYrW0U

>>2295330
Yes, that's what the original Midway Medieval Madness goes for these days. I expected a fucking repro to be a bit more affordable.
There's no point in buying a repro if I can hunt down an original for cheaper. It's the Earthbound of Pinball

Anybody have a good link/zip for a Visual Pinball setup? I'm in the process of doing a home cabinet but I can't seem to get VP to actually function the way it's supposed to

Galactic Pinball on the Virtual Boy is my actual favorite pinball videogame.

I reccommend people who like pinball games try it at least on emulator (although playing it on the real VB is where shit gets real).

>>2295348
It is pretty cool but in lieu of a pinball you're hitting a puck so the physics are a little different to your usual pinball sim.
Feels like a airhockey/pinball hybrid.

>>2295556
??

>>2295365

Yes, that's precisely why I like it so much. I guess I should have mentioned that.
Maybe pinball purists won't like that, but I thought it was very original, and the physics remind me of pic related (not sure how it's called in other places, here it's called "Tejo", usually arcades always had these)

>>2295573
the goal is to get past the two guards at the top, but there's an achievement to hit all of them on the miniplayfield on the Pasha table.

>>2295578
there's two games in America that has pucks that I know of, Hockey which is played on ice and Air Hockey with is played on that table.

>>2295578
>Tejo
In the US it's called "air hockey", those are the kind of physics that guy was referring to.

>>2295582
It's known as Air hockey here in the UK also. What country calls it Tejo? Is it in a different language?

I dont own a cab but I'm working on a virtual one as a personal project.

>>2295603

Yeah, I'm from Argentina, they're called Tejo here, no idea why, it doesn't mean anything.

>>2295338
I'm bamping for good measure to see if anyone can help me out

An arcade near me has a Cirqus Voltaire table for sale; they want a lot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-2wvvIDxIk

>>2296121
Tried 3 separate times myself.. no dice here

I just want someone to make a Scarface pinball machine

>>2295284
>barely controllable
Pinball (or to be exact, real tables and games with accurate enough physics) is the only genre where "git gud" is pretty much mandatory in order to do even the most basic stuff (ie. not losing control). One of the most fascinating aspects and the reason I love pinball so much is the fact that you can make the ball go in all sorts of directions with all sorts of speeds with only two digital buttons.

Only have a few pinball machines in my area. We've got Adams Family, Walking Dead, Iron Man, a medieval classic I cant remember the name of, Star Trek, and Simpsons. I love Pinball though whenever Im in an arcade Ill use at least 70% of my quarters playing

I bought a Getaway recently. Been looking for one for 5 years.

>>2296817
>a medieval classic

medieval madness?

>>2296126
>>2296783
"git gud"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vYvPtqNKdE

>>2296945
Yes that was it. Easily the best in the arcade. The newer ones like Iron Man and Walking dead cost a fucking dollar. All the classics are only 50 cents.

>>2293594
There's one of these at a bar down the street from me. Play the hell out of it every week.
The wings on the dragon broke/were lost and replaced by wings cut from a redbull can. Tacky as hell, but pretty funny.

>>2293978
Hands down my favorite table on Zen, which is easily my favorite virtual pinball.

Swords of Fury pretty much has the best god damn music I've ever heard on a table. Super nostalgic and badass. Makes the game all the more immersive/satisfying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWW4wA60kdc

This thread made me realize how much I miss pinball machines.
Is there any game program that recreates original tables and machines? I had tons of fun playing Terminator, Red Line Mania and that one creepy game that had a doll head similar to the one doll from horror movie Dead Silence.

>>2297825
Visual Pinball and Future Pinball both do what you're looking for. Visual Pinball has more tables and can even emulate the original ROMS for things such as sound and DMDs, but you have to go through a dog and pony show to set it up properly. Future Pinball has a more modern rendering engine but lacks the aforementioned ROM emulation. I really wish someone would upload a zip of a working Visual Pinball setup...

>>2297956
I'll look into it, thanks for answering bro.

>>2297825
Pinball Arcade is pretty fucking rad

>>2297825
>that one creepy game that had a doll head similar to the one doll from horror movie Dead Silence

HEY BUCKO!!

>>2297825
>Red Line Mania
That's The Getaway: High Speed II.

Red Line Mania is a mode in the game, activated by reaching 5th gear.

>>2294630
Oh lord that 10 megaton nostalgia bomb

>tfw table prices keep going up up up

>>2298218
>tfw I pay 75 cents just to watch a metal ball roll between two frantically flailing flippers without connecting a single time
why must I be so terrible

>>2298218
You mean buying a table or playing a table?

>>2298031
Is it bad that I want High Speed II for Pinball Arcade, even though we already have High Speed I?

>>2298252

i mean buying

playing has pretty much stabilized at 75cents-1dollar

>>2298696
Not at all they are very different games, it has a stunning build in VP already though by melon thats worth checking out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FB7ZarpJ1g

I've got a great Visual Pinball setup working, but to get it working it might take installation of things. Plus to get all the tables you want you'll need to sign up at vpforums anyway.

So I'm looking into it. The key is to install the installer from vpforums (VP 9.15), with the add-ons required (like the VP MAME add on). Then download the new EXE for VP 9.90 and put it in the folder. Then get the PhysMod5 modded VP9.9 exe also, for high-physics tables. Playing Addams now.

>>2300963
Now I'm downloading Austin Powers with PhysMod. 1000 physics updates/calculations per second. Should play just like the new Walking Dead.

>>2300963
I dunno, maybe I'll just opt for The Pinball Arcade to use my cabinet build. My understanding is that the physics engine is top notch, and installation is as easy as downloading it through Steam... which of course means I have to pony up for it.

>>2300182
oK, I'm no fan of Stern but I love what they've done with that.
Trying to find more info on it...

>>2302276
http://www.sternpinball.com/games/whoa-nellie/whoa

>MSRP $6,499

>>2302249
>My understanding is shit
TPA is a F2P game with DLC, go get a dlc unlocker and find out for yourself.

I currently own a street fighter II pinball machine. Kind of looking to sell it. Don't want to but doctor bills and shit. Portland area. I know this ain't the classifieds but it's on topic. Love pinball and hate to see it go but hopefully I'll get a new machine someday.

>>2293569
>Anyone own a machine or know someone who does?

A buddy of mine's father repairs pinball machines, has a workshop filled to the 9 with them. Also had a pinball museum just down the block from me - unfortunately it shut down.

>>2293569
>Anyone own a machine or know someone who does?
I've owned 6, currently have 3.

>>2302347
Naw, I think I'll take an actual modern Stern machine for $5000

>>2302851
>Implying I want to pirate a Steam game like some sniveling idiot

>>2304439
>paying for a halfbaked mobile game port that doesn't fix tables released 3 years ago
>in podcast employee/ceo admit they'd like to do a quality sweep but that's probably after season 5 or 6
>promises made in 2012-13 have yet to see day of light
bro try before you buy, don't defend a game you haven't even played yet.

>>2305082
Pinball Arcade was wasted potential. I thought the previous Pinball Hall of Fame collection was a much better and more polished game, even though it did still have problems of its own. At least Black Knight wasn't unplayable.

>>2305082
>promises made in 2012-13 have yet to see day of light

yep

My Favorite pinball machine back in the day

>>2305142
So, what's your favorite now?

whats the state of pinball emulation?

Are the physics realistic? Do the emulated tables have hi-rez textures yet?

I'm really interested in pinball preservation so I figured I'd come here to ask.

>>2307216
it could be better

"official" emulation e.g. Pinball arcade is not the best, and fan emulation e.g.Visual Pinball is obviously hit-and-miss

not retro

Pinball emulations and machines from 2015 are not fucking retro. Take that shit to /v/, just because it is pinball doesn't mean it's retro.

>>2307256
Good thing we're mostly talking about pre-99 pinball machines then, isn't it?

>>2307256
>hurr durr, Pinball's not retro

I'm gonna take one last shot and see if *anyone* has a decent Visual Pinball setup they'd be willing to share with us plebs to make all our lives a little easier.

>mfw

>>2294630
>tfw I found a version that worked on Windows 7

>>2293569
>Favorite pinball vidya?
Pinball Arcade, so emulation.

>Favorite table?
Big Shot, simple but technic.

>>2293572
>>2293594
>>2296126
>>2305082
>>2305142
What's your high score?

>get multi ball
>back down to one ball in about ten seconds
Same shit happens to me in Breakout/Arkanoid; I guess I can't multitask.

>>2310146
the only time I really went for a highscore for fun, two wizard goals left to get, but I was reserving one of them for when DX11 lighting came out...
>if it comes out before the table after cyclone

YOU CAN'T WIN

AAAH HAAA HAAA HAAA

tap-tap-a-roo

Found a Big Buck Hunter the other day, put some time into it. But the deer switch was broken and I couldn't get the main multiball going. Felt like a cheat.

All the practice on Visual Pinball PhysMod5 paid off though. It's the same, muscle memory finally improved from computer play rather than retarded. Skillful flipper work.

>>2310936
NOW, YOU D-D-D-D-DIEEE

>>2313464
>Found a Big Buck Hunter the other day
Hard hard game I mean i enjoy it but unless the machine is freeplay i cant afford that drain monster for to long.

>>2313972
Less drains than the Wheel of Fortune it replaced

>>2308462
You need to install the DLLs, you need to install Visual PinMAME in the right place, and you need to put all the fonts into your Fonts folder yourself. Sorry, but I can't do everything for you.

All the files I would provide can be found at the vpforums starting here http://www.vpforums.org/index.php?app=downloads&showcat=5

If I made a pack of roms and tables and installers and fonts you'd still have to install them all by hand. They're all there for download. Don't forget PhysMod5 to play PM5 tables.

OK I made a pack. Inside the RAR there are 6 folders, each numbered in order of installation. Inside are the installers, fonts, roms, tables, etc. Tables are as follows:

PhysMod5, Fullscreen:
- Austin Powers, Stern 2001
- Comet, Williams 1985
- Elvis, Stern 2004
- Indiana Jones: The Pinball Adventure, Williams 1993
- Jurassic Park: The Lost World, Sega 1997
- Last Action Hero, Data East 1994
- Rocky & Bullwinkle, Data East 1993
- Tales from the Crypt, Data East 1993
- The Addams Family, Bally 1992

Normal VP9.9, Fullscreen:
- F-14 Tomcat, Williams 1987
- Judge Dredd, Bally 1993
- Lord of the Rings, Stern 2003
- Party Zone, Bally 1991
- Simpsons Pinball Party, Stern 2003
- The Shadow, Bally 1994
- Star Wars Trilogy, Data East 1992
- Terminator 2 CE, Williams 1991
- World Cup Soccer, Bally 1994
- X-Files, Sega 1997

Normal VP9.9, Desktop:
- F-14 Tomcat, Williams 1987
- Jurassic Park, Data East 1993
- World Cup Soccer, Bally 1994

Visual Pinball Pack - vr.rar 859.8 MB
https://mega.co.nz/#!vRcH0DKS!dUfD817ZBNz_Lm0zo2STSo_EmhGDHFY4i_nm-6tXWIs

>>2315162
Fixed Rocky & Bullwinkle ROM, only one I hadn't tested.

rab_320.zip 886 KB
https://mega.co.nz/#!vV9hRYrJ!bNoV7o8I-eNKCzobxAikHki0Fr4o7s3pZN5Daf6fGbU

>>2315162
Fixed Rocky & Bullwinkle ROM, only one I hadn't tested.

rab_320.zip 1.1 MB
https://mega.co.nz/#!PVNxDQpA!xfNHm0Irmta5ZMvQ4Aa53BX9dnnaQfZBzxP3P9J7OwM

>>2315162

>>2315162
Indiana Jones, PhysMod / Night Mod

>>2315162
Addams Family, PhysMod / Night Mod

>>2315162
Jurassic Park, desktop

So I just got back from the Texas Pinball Festival. That was fun as hell. Ended up wracking up over 4 hours of play time or so before calling it quits.

There were so many machines and so many people there. Hundreds of machines.

I took pictures of a bunch of the machines I played (but not all). I'll probably post them here in the morning.

Lethal Weapon or Terminator definitely were my favorites.

>>2315416
Was there a Hobbit there

>>2315437
I saw a Lord of the Rings cabinet of some sort with a rather large line (8 or so) of people waiting to play it. I never got a close look at it, though. All I remember is I saw Gandalf on it, so it very well could have been the Hobbit (since looking at the other LotR machines on Google, I can say it looked the most like the Hobbit).

>>2293569
>Dragon's Fury (Devil Crush) is pretty great, and has kickass music
>I do like Medieval Madness
>My parents own both a Mata Hari and a Black Rose

>>2315451
There was a Hobbit up there. I didn't actually play it myself, since there was always a huge line in front of it, but the version Jersey Jack showed should be close to the final version, if not THE final version.

>>2315162
Thanks based anon

>>2315437
>>2315451
There's a Balrog on it that you shoot balls at to defeat

It's pretty neat

I went out pinballing yesterday and confirmed that I absolutely suck ass, I honestly don't think anyone is worse at this than I am. 50/50 chance of losing the ball immediately on every play.

Here's a neat table I found for visual pinball

>>2316369
Dude that's Lord of the Rings not The Hobbit. Other guy saw Hobbit, that's got the Gandalf and the lines.

>>2316369
Part of your problem might be that you interpret Lord of the Rings from a beginner's perspective, noticing the most attractive play feature and assuming it's the essential one.

Lord of the Rings has the widest pinball rules in all of pinball...hour long games with no repetition style rules. Like Simpsons Pinball Party. Keith Johnson real man rules. Skillful player makes skillful rules.

In LotR, there are 7 modes above the Balrog/Ring ramp. Those are your main feature. You've got KEEP letters on the inlane rollovers, these light your Two Towers multiball lock on the sword ramp.

Those 7 modes, you want to hit those. Choose mode with those little red lights up there, flip to change. Trap ball, flip to right or left of mode, flip, start Ent mode first.

You want those Ents man. They let you make progress on Tower shots for 500,000 or 750,000 per hit, only takes a few to complete the mode. But as you hit it you'll make progress toward Return of the King multiball from the Path of the Dead.

If you beat the modes like Ent, you get a Gift from the Elves. These are huge. Extra ball, double scoring, huge things, bonus multiball modes. Things like that.

There's Fellowship multiball, which you make progress toward by collecting Fellowship members through various shots then nailing the left loop out to Moria. That's when you really want to bash that Balrog, every Balrog bash gets the bridge ready to cross a Fellowship member to safety up the Two Towers sword ramp.

Gain 7 Gifts of the Elves, activate all 7 modes, complete all 3 main multiballs, then destroy the ring to get to Valinor. Spend your entire life.

Balrog bashing in the main game is just a way to block to ramp and stop me from getting my modes lit. Time that noise out.

>>2316567
Listen to how chill There and Back Again mode is when you hit the 8th mode after going through all 7.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps-b2rXTrp4

Why no more pinball talk? Is anyone trying that Visual Pinball pack or what

>>2315416
here.

Here's those pictures I said I'd upload.

http://s238.photobucket.com/user/Orzorn/library/Pinball?sort=3&page=1

>>2319175
very nice photos, anon

Grew up playing Swords of Fury. Probably my favorite pinball machine.

The artwork/music/sfx were all fucking metal.

>>2319196
I apologize for the blur on them. I was just taking them quickly so as to not hold up anybody eyeing the machine for play.

>>2316441
>No RIP AND TEAR
Ino the tra... what am I kidding I love Doom

>>2316441
why is this pinball machine not real?

>SEGA was in the pinball business between 94-99
>Never made a Sonic pinball machine

>>2323035
Sega was just Data East / the Stern of today as they transitioned between their two states of being. It was a licensed name sort of. I don't think they were there as early as 1994, Data East still then. Sega is more 1996 through 1999.

There were real Sega machines in the 70s and stuff from Japan. Some are anime and shit. Most aren't really played by pinballers.

>>2322518
Not enough interest for a commercial success.

It's not /vr/ (or is it? Man I don't know) but Pinball Arcade is pretty damn sweet. Glad I got season one of the tables on sale last winter. I think my favorite table there is Black Hole.

As far as a pinball game instead of an emulator I've always been partial to Pokemon Pinball.

>>2323053
I'm kinda on the edge of picking up Pinball Arcade but for the price point.

How does Zen Pinball compare?

>>2323041
>Data East never made a Magical Drop pinball machine

>>2323086
I'd be fine if someone just made a new magical drop that wasn't garbage.

>>2323086
Joe Kamincow couldn't make a game without a license tie-in if his life depended on it. Sega was doomed before it started when you add financial strapping to that philosophy. Then you get South Park pinball and wind up trying to hit the giant plastic human turd or sink the toilet shot.

>>2315323
>>2315345
Can I install those mods on Pinball Arcade with Steam?

>>2323576
Naw man, they don't have Indiana Jones for Pinball Arcade and last I heard they were still trying to raise money for Addams Family. Plus those run with realistic physics (not the kind you hear about all the time from Pinball Arcade fans, these are real physics at 1000 mhz and it plays like real life). Pinball Arcade physics are mushy and the game is designed for tablets. And phones.

>>2323576
Also look at the T2 picture and compare it mentally to Pinball Arcade. That one doesn't have the super-physics though.

>>2323698
>and last I heard they were still trying to raise money for Addams Family

That was ages ago, Addams Family has been out since Feb

>>2323704
So has PhysMod5 and some of these tables can really crank out the CPU and GPU. Pinball Arcade continues to be a mobile device port and run on a toaster.

>>2323712
You just wait, the DX11 update will come along and Pinball Arcade will be better than ever!

>>2323698
Addams Family is on Pinball Arcade but I didn't know it was designed for tablets and phones.

>>2323698
>>2323712
>designed for tablets
>mobile device port
Which is funny considering the Xbox 360 was always the lead development platform.

>>2323895
>the Xbox 360 was always the lead development platform
I'm sure it was before they couldn't publish to that platform for how many years? Then during livestreams they boast mobile is their biggest market.
>a year of microsoft is gonna let us republish to 360! later
h-hey we're on xbox one guise.. 360 coming soon™ [4 months ago]

>>2324030
The Xbox 360 was the primary development platform before the PC version was launched. That is the current lead platform.

Mobile is their "biggest market" in terms of sales, but it's not a game built for mobile and then scaled up for other platforms. Hell, it's built from their Pinball Hall of Fame engine, which was itself a console game.

>>2324062
>it's built from their Pinball Hall of Fame engine, which was itself a console game

>I swear guys these physics are just like a real table and like PhysMod5 which maxes out your hardware

>>2324030
The Xbox 360 version was removed from the Xbox Live Marketplace due to legal problems between Microsoft and Crave Entertainment.[1] A re-release was announced in the 1st quarter of 2014, but as of March 2015, is still not available.[2]

>muh primary development platform

>>2324384
The game is available for download on a number of devices through their respective online stores, such as those using the Android operating system (including derivatives e.g. Kindle Fire and Ouya) and for iOS devices, Windows (through Steam) and OS X computers, PlayStation Vita, PlayStation 3, PlayStation 4 and Xbox One. Versions for Nintendo 3DS, Wii U and Linux have been proposed, even advertised, but never released.

>mfw the game is not for XBox 360 at all
>mfw I'm about to play some PhysMod5

I think it's time to see how fast action hero I can get this ball with a little SurfSide6

I never respected pinball til I saw players on twitch
Never realized the depth til recently

cant wait to try a real machine again with this new outlook

Can I git gud by playing vidya pinball?

The reason the Pinball Arcade physics engine takes basically no processing power isn't because it's a mobile game. It's because It's a PS2 game. Pinball Hall of Fame on PS2/Wii used an earlier version of the same physics engine. They apparently haven't changed it that much.

Favorite Pinball Vidya: Devil's Crush
Favorite Real Table: Attack From Mars

I'll also give a shoutout to the new Star Trek table for being the only modern Stern table that doesn't suck.

>>2326186
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHNtzxO0y8

>>2326186
Acdc dude

>>2326186
I think the Stern tables have been getting better in recent years, I've played Avengers, Metallica and Mustang recently and thought they were pretty good.

>>2326271
Godlike Stern Era: 2003 (Ripley's, LotR, Simpsons Pinball Party)
Shit Stern Era: 2005: Elvis Nascar
Return to Greatness: 2007 (Steve Ritchie got oral sex from a beautiful woman + red wine)=Spiderman, and Family Guy
Backslide: 2008: CSI, 24
Return Again: 20XX: AC/DC, Metallica

>>2327035
Woops and Star Trek

>>2327035
>>2327043
Okay, now what were the 'good' era of Data East & SEGA?

>>2327059
1993 / 1994 Data East. Sega never had a good era.

>>2327059
Early Data East wasn't exactly hot fire

>>2293569
I want to ask this to people who are really into pinball, is there anything that should be gone for that really makes a proper pinball? I guess, what's the 'essential' qualities of a pinball, design-wise? What kinds of skills go into mastery of a table, or what kind of things do you look for in finding a good table vs. a bad one? I want to get a better understanding of pinball from the people that play it, to help me in developing a new 'pinball adventure' game I'm designing as well as to help me gain a better appreciation for the older brother of arcade games.

>>2327313
Depth and width of rules. What keeps you feeding money into the machines as opposed to dumping some quarters and forgetting about it is wanting to see what happens and only being able to do so by means of achieving skillful play.

>>2327313
Flow of the gameplay around the table. A big thing that makes a bad table, aside from shitty aesthetics and rules, is a lack of smooth paths for the ball to follow (eg. generally curving or strategically-placed straight paths as opposed to arbitrary zig-zags or huge spans of empty space).

A fun physical layout makes it easier to facilitate a fun rule set, as you can then get creative in designing sequences and timing around the different paths to aim the ball at.

I recommend watching through some of the "tutorial" videos on the Professional & Amateur Pinball Association website (http://papa.org/learning-center/video-resources/tutorial-videos/).). Even if you're not interested in playing competitively, watching the gameplay and listening to the commentary will give you an idea of how serious players think about table layouts and rule sets.

>>2294630

>>2327035
Pretty much, although I liked Elvis and Nascar. Avatar and Big Buck Hunter are the worst for me (BBH is also the stupidest licensed theme).

>>2315162
>4. Install Visual PinMAME
>folder empty

Is it just an instruction or should their be files?

>>2295313

I've been to the one in Schwerin, it was fantastic. You don't get unlimited play though, they give you a bunch of Mark and I think you'll have to pay for more.

Played the shit out of the Starship Troopers pinball cabinet.

>>2293569
Are there any virtual pinball machines you can slam tilt into a smoking pile of wreckage?

>>2295581
Yeah, in the US we call that air hockey, as the pucks 'float' on a cushion of air.

I'm a big fan of it myself, but usually people don't want to play with me. Interesting idea of using air hockey physics in a pinball game. I think I may have to track down a copy and fix my virtual boy (again).

>>2296783
I always thought that pinball used analog buttons to allow you to control which pins fire or don't fire? I played Twilight Zone once and it let you control a second set of flippers semi-independently from the main set.

>>2297558
Wow, I really do need to git gud. I can't remotely compete with his accuracy.

Also, I can't help but feel like I've seen this machine somewhere before.

dragon's revenge on the genesis was pretty fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJuYDS10HZc

>>2328921
It should have had this in it

vpinmame_25.zip 1.9 MB
https://mega.co.nz/#!SYdVHCSQ!WiovM99YnRinp8anOTkctmNDteiTFzfxjGE0HNXpDXU

>>2325797
Timeshock was made for PC, PS1 and whatever around 1997 and is ridiculously better than TPA when it comes to physics, so I'd say "processing power" has absolutely nothing to do with it.

>>2329204
Two-staged flippers are still far from being analog. Apparently the sensitivity is so high on real machines (two leaf switches on top of each other) that even many pros don't try two-staging in tournaments.

>>2329495
Run those same physics calculations 1000x faster and you'll have something then.

>>2295313
Seattle Pinball Museum is great for this. The Vegas Pinball Hall of Fame is cool too, especially for its selection.

>>2295313
>>2332556

The Pinball Wizard Arcade in New Hampshire also has an impressive collection of pretty much all the classics.

>playing High Speed II: The Getaway
>kicking ass on ball 1
>about to run the red light for multiball, gears almost to 5th
>ball gets air while trying to shoot the inner loop
>inches of air
>gets stuck in the wireform of the supercharger ramp
>shit self
>no operator in sight
>try to shake ball off, tilt is light
>get double danger
>slam glass guard off in my efforts
>calmly remove glass while children gawk
>hold glass with my genitals while I cradle the ball and replace it by sliding upward slowly
>continue

>no ball save on this machine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHZPd9F7Spk

Entirely due to me being such a massive NBA dork, I love this table irrationally.

The backglass having it's own set of flippers is p.neat

for a table that has one of these you'd think there would be a way to chain that shot without slamming the table, every time.

Been finally getting into Timeshock this last week or so , my god the rule set is amazing and the physics incredible... you can do literally everything with the flippers, going back to pin arc really highlights how shoddy it is. Gonna take some work to reach the final mode i think.

>>2335557
LOL, you actually hit switches when you plunge Addams rather than allow no switch contact and the resulting potential opening drain to be replaced in your shooter lane automatically? No ball save my ass.

>>2335582
LOL, you actually try to loop the ramp rather than just shooting the electric chair after lighting it by means of the ramp?

>>2336501
>>2336503
LOL, you actually tried to english good but good resulting describe you did not?

point 1, the magnet stops the ball from a strong flip which should be unheard of and called out on the invisible bullshit that it is.

point 2, Whirlwind also has this thing where you shoot the ramp over 99 times you're awarded points instead of xyz at abc points but in Whirlwind it's possible to make that shot on the fly, whereas on addams you'll get half maybe even 3/4ths the way but still unable to chain them.

>>2335691
Timeshock sucks. Worst PP table of them all and I really hate how it's the only one that gets any attention.

>>2336997
Yeah that must be why Josh Sharpe plunges short of the skill shot on purpose, STDMs and gets his ball back, all while the announcers explain the ball save on Addams, all in the first 5 minutes of gameplay in the latest World Champs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uFbmkTCcZI

>>2337170
>announcers explain the ball save on Addams
haven't gotten to that yet [shouldn't exist on this table, as the designer didn't believe in them IE GET GUD] but at 9:30 they said they TURNED "THE POWER" OFF so the competitors didn't have to time their shots.

>>2337170
there's a few tables 'the ball is returned if you miss the skillshot and everything else' but that isn't a ball save in my mind.

>Autosave
>For a limited time, every ball that goes down the drain will be returned to the plunger. Usually only available when starting with a new ball (to compensate for "unfair" very fast drains), it will also be available during the start of multiballs on later machines. Also known as Ball Saver.

>>2337270
>there's a few tables 'the ball is returned if you miss the skillshot and everything else' but that isn't a ball save in my mind.

99% of all machines are like this. If no switches are triggered, the ball gets sent back to the plunger as if nothing happened.

However, there are some games that are impossible to not trigger at least one switch on, such as F-14 Tomcat which plunges directly to the locks.

>>2337247
Oh Lawlor didn't believe in ball saves? That must be why the ball save engages during Powerball Multiball in Twilight Zone.

>>2337247
Time out, not time. The magnets on the playfield are turned off so that people won't cradle for 30 seconds to turn them off.

Pinball Arcade fucking shits

>>2339101
Like in a good way or a bad way

>>2293569
I want to build a small home arcade with like 3-5 cabs, a skeeball, airhockey, and Viper: Pinball's Pet Snake

This... This is the dream

>>2337112
>Timeshock sucks.
Stopped reading.

>>2339592
I like all of the other Pro Pinball tables. I just don't like Timeshock. I wish they did a kickstarter for a Big Race USA remake instead.

>>2339719
But after TS they will be. What don't you like about timeshock? the ruleset is amazing I mean i like big race also with FJ in third.

Fucking Space Jam from Sega just came out as a cabinet spanned PM5 table. I'm going to slam some hoop.

>>2340449
Doesn't work, Controller = False at end of script line 2180 another shit table.

>this would put me at spot #20 of all time on leaderboards

>>2341175

>>2329495
oh, so it's multiple switches? Interesting.

Has any machine ever tried putting on two buttons per side instead?

>>2342480
Not for other flippers. For phurbas or cannons but cannon is usually centered.

>>2342480
A few months ago the High Speed II nearby had a weak right flipper but was easy to stage. Last week the staging had been taken out and both flippers activated at full strength with a normal press. Magic or hotwire?

>>2307116
I don't have a favorite now. There's no places around where i live that have the machines now. I miss them though.

>>2293618

Is this the version where that screen in the middle is the transporter room? I seem to remember only seeing that version once in a university rec center somewhere between '93-'95.

>>2297985

>YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE IN HERE

Shit gets real in a hurry.

>>2293589
Keep playing and you won't be terrible for long.

http://www.ipdb.org/playing/skills.html

>>2342937
You're thinking of the Data East Star Trek.

well well well...

>>2343296
They have added it to the startup menu but it doesn't work.

>>2343302
Meanwhile I just crushed over 300,000,000 on Indiana Jones Night Mod PM5 v2.5.

Had to close all the programs, slowdown last night was dropping frames on me.

>>2343302
it's for beta testers at the moment

>>2343312
Beta as fuck sub-giga physics calculations per second.

Some people offered to play pins next week for $5 per game...going to use tournament scoring techniques and earn money.

Why are the more modern pinball machines so good at just pulling you into the world they've crafted?
It isn't even like a video game where the visuals change as you progress, the physical existence of the table remains the same throughout the whole experience.
As in if there isn't a prop there, one isn't going to magically appear unless it's already been put there in some fashion like under the table.

My guess is on the art and sound design.
They've got this specific kind of sound to their instruments and tone in their announcements that just sort of gets me all hyped.

>>2293978
>vertical Zen Pinball
WHAT.
HOW?

>>2344474
For me, its about putting in the coins for that one credit to play, and having your success ride on the price of admission.

Anybody got a webm of someone sinking the 12th ball into the manifold on V12?

>>2344475
>before I bought a pivoting monitor

>>2344475
>after I bought a pivoting monitor

set your hotkeys to change desktop orientation before you launch the game.. then launch the game when it's in portrait.
ctrl+up is portrait
ctrl+left is landscape

>>2344543
>ctrl+alt+up*
>ctrl+alt+left*
you can set these hotkeys up in your videocards software
>only go landscape these days when I want to watch a show full screen

>>2342943
>I THOUGHT WE WERE PALS

Shit gives me nightmares.

>>2344539
>AIDS IS REAL

Serious question to everyone, what do you like about pinball? Do people usually get into it for the variety of cool looking tables or is it more about the joy/challenge of playing?

Also, is emulation/video pinball similar enough to the real thing to get a feel for pinball? (in terms of actual play and not feel/asthetics)

My good friend and his father run a surprisingly successful pinball/arcade repair business. He also owns a couple tables, but i only played them briefly. Im normally hanging with him when it is too late to turn them on because others are sleeping. Ive always automatically assumed that pinball is boring, but id like to learn what this shit is all about and see if it is fun.

>>2344565
>I'M NOT HAPPY WITH YOU NOW

Shit this whole time I've been playing Elvis I didn't realize there was a 4th flipper / second level playfield. Minus one for computer recreations.

>>2344606
There aren't that many games where there's an infinite and exponential level of talent one can develop.

Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2, Street Fighter 2 Turbo...but with pinball there's also that physical thing, like doing real skateboard tricks or yo-yo tricks or something.

Plus there are all the rules, and modes. You need to do physical things with precision and skill in order to unlock the lights and bells and whistles and wizard modes. Only skill will get you up that mountain. Who knows what the reward will be? Maybe a free game to try again and get a little closer.

What's all this. What about America's Most Haunted, who's seen one?

Talk about pinball, let's go. Gonna fire up some SurfSide6 here.

>>2344649
>>2344565
ah, funhouse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhPsXaQkqlM

So many quarters spent

>>2348737
A friend of mine used to own one. My best on it was 60 million.

>>2348737
Larry DeMar steal that head from Python. He break into his office with Pat Lawlor while he on a fishing trip in Canada.

>>2344606
It's mostly the physical element when comparing it to video games and also the challenge.

There is a bit of unpredictability when playing pinball and no ball ever plays the exact same. There is also the skill factor where your general pinball skills cross over to any machine but each one has it's own challenges and plays differently. This is a very simplistic explanation for me but maybe you get the general idea.

As far as emulation and pinball video games go, it is completely different when playing. But I would recommend checking out The Pinball Arcade on PC if you want to learn tables or get a better understand of the fundamental pinball rules if you are new.

Always wanted a machine for my rec room - is buying a legit semi recent (last decade) pin for $1k-1.5k conceivable?

Or am I going to have to trek to multiple auctions just to find a used one in okay condition?

>>2294630
I think you uploaded the wrong image there anon.

>>2344543
I wish there was a way to change your desktop orientation without fucking up all the icons. But because it always fucks up the icons, I only put my monitor on the side for pinball once a week or so.

>>2350785
the second option

>>2350785
No. Modern pins, even shitty ones, go for well over 2000.

Right now, the best pins to buy are the late 80s System 11 games because pinflation hasn't hit them very hard yet. However, the prices for them are on the rise.

DX11 open beta is online for TPA.
>http://pinballarcadefans.com/showthread.php/10003-DX11-Public-Beta-Now-Available

>>2350815
I don't get it

>>2350834
wouldn't locking the icon location solve this?

>>2307216
I don't know of any emulated tables where the ball can leave the playfield and smack the glass.

>>2351915
I get sweet ups in SurfSide6 all the time. Sometimes balls can just fly off a table flat though if a table maker forgets to close a linedef. I hit the drops in the first Elvira the other night and it flew right out of the machine.

>>2351915
Not emulated, but it actually happens in Pro Pinball games. Since I've never plays that much real pinball (since machines have been practically extinct for a long time over here), I never know what that sudden sound was until I started to get more into pinball and got to know all sorts of things by watching PAPA's Youtube channel and reading various forums.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duYTZuWr90s ewerything thats need to b known in terms of computer pinball

Let's post bitchin' pinball music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQPGtzmStq4

http://alifewellwasted.com/2009/03/03/episode-two-gotta-catch-em-all/

A segment of this episode is about a pinball museum.

>>2352609
BK2K is too obvious. You need to look for other stuff. Plenty of games of that era had good music.

Swords of Fury
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ8iIGHp6Zs

Space Station
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYxjEAXrLho

F-14 Tomcat (multiball theme at about 2:40 gets me hyped like no other machine can)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOsfI_tIynU

>>2352887
Nigger that electric shred on B2K is the same as on F-14 that's fucking Steve Ritchie the king of flow and the king of riffs

>yfw when Ed Boon is the voice of Rudy the talking heaad

>yfw Steve Richie is the voice of the Black Knight and the voice of Shao Khan

>yfw hold the left flipper

>yfw pinball is Mortal Kombat

>>2353784
>mfw ~toasty~ comes up on medieval madness

>>2353787
>mfw Tina Fey is the voice of one of the kidnapped princesses

Mortal Kombat: The Pinball Game -- how would fatalities be implemented?

>>2353838
BRUTALITY - punching bag mechanic in champion pub

Pinbot and pokemon pinball

>>2353838
Probably just a QTE via the dot matrix display.

Anyone else play Revenge of the 'Gator on Game Boy. Best pinball vidya I've played.

>>2353838
Test Your Might video mode, levels wood through diamond

>>2353838
Multiball mode where the Champion Pub style digital opponent head (which would have holographic Pinball 2000 technology and change) would be fatalized, causing his head to instantly erupt with pinballs in gentle tufted gushing arcs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UNGMiPETXo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kZ-i9mGav4

From back when DICE was fresh out of the Amiga demoscene and not corporate trash.

>>2354376
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaFnWjqMkJA

Was their last pinball game, this time for the AGA chipset, supported high res mode as well. (640x512 PAL)

>>2352887
I was wondering if someone would say that. Believe me, I love the system 11 games, my favorite era of pinball
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxSK7Z95ZiY

Who here can drop catch?

>>2357559
Uh, hopefully everyone? It's not that hard.

>>2357570
These commercial pinball video game players don't know drop catches exist. Only real man table players, fans of silverball, and VP emulator enthusiasts.

I've been frequenting a local arcade and been surprised by the large variation in flipper strength.

Some of the games the flipper strength is so weak you cant make loops or straight up the middle ramp shots if you start from a cradle.

They also have a gladiator with flippers strong enough that the ball bounces on almost every shot.

Is there supposed to be that much variation?
Do tournaments have such varied machines?
Is it easy to alter the strength of a flipper?

Gonna check out an auction next weekend @ pinball at the zoo.

>>2293569
>TFW I will never own a real timeshock table.

I used to play that shit nonstop on my old pentium II Compaq prebuilt.

>>2297558
>first thing the ball does is drain
into the trash

>>2358137
Pinball community thinks that place is a joke with their quintuple digit prices on tables and shiny graphics to sucker monied people who aren't really that into pinball.

Gameplay video of a neat unreleased Neo Geo game, Last Odyssey: Pinball Fantasia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjK7-H4LBO8

>>2357946
Why won't you own a real one? You know a real timeshock is being made right?

>>2358807
Not even dumped because of the ego faggotron 3000 who owns it.

>>2358851
and how much will it cost? I imagine an arm and a leg.

>>2358851
You know the average person can't afford to just go out and buy new machines, right?

>>2359291
$5999 to $8999 I'd imagine

>>2359308
Yet somehow people own cars and houses. It's almost as if such things can be sold at a later time and some money recovered or even made.

>>2359328
>1 machine
>several decent used cars

you see my dilemma here?

>>2359328
That's waaay too much for me. I've owned 6 pins myself, and I think added together they cost less than that.

>>2359358
Who's making the pinball? Are they having some existing pinball manufacturer make the table under their specs? These things cost money. To make their own pinball company would cost way more than the sales would justify even at those price points.

>>2359336
That's what people in the eternal MtG threads on /tg/ say too. Expensive hobbies are expensive. As in the case of such expensive collectible games, the computer often provides a satisfactory experience.

Why buy Walking Dead for $8000 just to get the Limited Edition crossbow feature when it's the same game as Austin Powers which is $2000 in perfect condition used?

Whoever recommended Digital Pinball Necronomicon for the Saturn, thanks, it's a really good pinball game

>>2351824
What does it change ?

>>2363471
Uses new lighting engine like the ps4 version, looks SHITON better. Also, AF works properly, physics are supposed to be better.

Basically how it should have been in the first place

>>2363472
I tested the beta and honestly think it's total shit, physics still ass and 2 gigs for some lighting and still dat fucking floor only now it's extra power hungry because farsight can't program very well.

>>2363498
Same here, I don't see much difference.

>>2363498
Beta as fuck. Meanwhile I played RBION today for an hour and a half on $3, achieving several free games.

Have any of you guys ever played this on SNES? I don't know if I suck at pinball, if this game is hard, or both.

>>2293569
>Psycho Pinball on PC ... or now on future pinball, the conversion is pretty goood
>Indiana Jones
>none

>>2365546
that is one of the two pinball games i have on SNES

the other one i have is pinball fantasies

that one is harder

>that music
>those sounds

>HA HA HO HO

>>2366303
>WANNA TRY AGAIN?

Jolly Joker can go fuck himself, especially when you shoot JOKER and it just sends the ball instantly down the drain and there's nothing you can do about it.

>>2366312
>sends the ball instantly down the drain and there's nothing you can do about it.

pinball fantasies pulls that bullshit also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwTbciizHIQ

is apparently a remix of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfRAiTtOVEY

>>2294470

whats the point

you could get an original for that price

>>2323041

>tfw there are japanese machines that will never see play in the west

>tfw she doesn't let you cheat

I don't know about this table... I like doing super jackbots but then that's limited once you hit super visor and it's just 'hit me 25 times.. again' and you're left with casino run that maybe gets you 500m~1.2Bn but I honestly keep going till I get an EB and collect.

Where do you really go from there?
>Casino Cash In's and Skillshots were giving ~250m in my good games

Some dude came up to me and claimed I didn't have a ball stuck when I was in a two ball multiball. Call me a fucking liar? I wonder if he worked there.

>>2367078
hahahahahaha, I can only guess as to why that machine never made it out of japan :P

>>2367258
god.. is this what pinball emulators look like? excuse me while I vomit.

>>2367078
An awful lot of the neat electro-mechanical games that appear in GCCX would probably be classified as gambling machines elsewhere in the world, though.

>>2369435
No, the free ones have good physics and lighting and actually emulate the ROMs. That's what you pay $$$ for, it's built for mobile devices and consoles from the turn of the century.

>>2369465
In episode 159 he plays Williams games from the 70s under the guidance of a Japanese pinball master who teaches him the ways of nudging. Also Kakaricho = pathetic faggot.

>>2369526
so you pay money for the shitty ones?

>>2369532
no I pirate

>Local pinball arcade near me with about 60-70 machines
>Another place not too far away with about 15 or so enthusiast/popular tables (AFM, MM, TZ, etc)
I need to get out and play. Too bad I'm poor as shit at the moment. Pinball Arcade does fine, but I really wish Farsight was a more competent developer. They still have the best pinball game on the market in terms of accuracy, but man.

Also, LotR is the best Stern table and you can't prove me otherwise.

>>2369573
>best Stern table
That's not saying much, though.