/vr/ - Retro Games

Does anyone have one of the huge-ass HD BVMs here? I'm lusting after the D32E1WU and want someone to tell me it'll live up to the hype.

what else looks good on ps1

whoops, forgot pic

>>2295971
I recall something about these always needing a new tube for some reason. Like, perpetual early tube failures.

>>2295971
If the ones that pop up on ebay are of any indication, they seem to have a lot of problems with discoloration issues and the like.

The somewhat smaller D24E1WU seems much more reliable in that aspect.
Further more, it'd likely only be a good purchase if you really want the 16:9 aspect ratio and/or flexibility with the input cards; A 20L5 will give almost the exact same sharpness, size (for 4:3 content), and resolution as the D24 and should be simpler to configure as well.

>>2294996
Have they gotten back to you as to whether that's been accepted? I'm talking to them as well, though not for either of those sets.

Pics of the screen condition would be great :)

>>2296140
Sorry, I meant: has your bid for $350 for those two sets been accepted?

How long does it take for an image to burn into a CRT monitor or TV?

>>2296387
no idea, but it's not instant. Screensavers were invented for this reason, motion to stop the tubes burning in, and mostly black backgrounds to stop them wearing out. That was PC CRTs obviously, but the principle is the same.

>>2296387
If you're worried about it, don't leave the fucking screen on.

Or buy an image orbiter that moves the image around the screen imperceptibly if you're worried about it.

>>2296397
>>2296412
I just wanted to know how long it took.

I love the quality of this TV, It's bad at playing most modern games (unless they can 4:3), but videos still look nice on it.

>>2296420
>from wiki
Modern CRT displays are less susceptible than older CRTs prior to the 1960s because they have a layer of aluminum behind the phosphor which offers some protection. The aluminum layer was provided to reflect more light from the phosphor towards the viewer. As a bonus, the aluminum layer also prevented ion burn of the phosphor and the ion trap, common to older monochrome televisions, was no longer required.

it should take a really long time, with the same image on for days.

>>2296474
looks nice, is it 240p/480i only?

>>2296483
I sure hope the Dhoney doesnt get a burn in, i've binge watched countless seasons of televisions shows and animes on it (most of them letterboxed on the screen).

>>2296484
As far as I know, 240p/480i, it has a SCART (possible the rgb 240p part) port, an s-video port, and an antenna port i've yet to figure out how to use as Analog isn't used anymore in the US.

I have this old pic related that helps.

>>2296474
on the side-note, i've got this monster s-video playstation cable that I use on the psone, ps2, and ps3, and i've noticed lately it needs to be held in fixed positions in order to work correctly. I should probably buy another s-video cable and maybe even a scart one. Any ideas where I should look?

>>2296489
>i've yet to figure out how to use as Analog isn't used anymore in the US.
Assuming it'll work like normal coax in, you could get a digital tuner or something for OTA broadcasts.

>>2296493
>it has a SCART (possible the rgb 240p part) port

you could get a YPbPr Component Video to SCART/RGB transcoder

you would have more clarity in the video signal.

although i've heard some sets could do YPbPr over scart, so you might not need a transcoder.

>>2295930
>Ugly, blurry, warped mess
I don't understand you people.

>>2296510
>you could get a YPbPr Component Video to SCART/RGB transcoder
What's the point? Also that wouldn't work for him.
>>2296493
Take the cable apart and fix it?

>>2296514
>What's the point?

if he lives in the US, then most newer game systems are component-out only.

it would be better for watching videos and newer games (easier to read small text)

>>2296512
CRTs are great for retro games.

Anything else and the picture quality has been surpassed. Unless you're one of the clowns that parrots the whole true blacks and color correct bullshit from the internet. Modern displays are better than CRTs in that aspect. At least high quality ones.

>>2296519
If he lives in the US most things aren't going to have scart anything. Idk why he would have a scart input on a TV unless he imported it. You'll need the device with the scart input to accept whatever sync you feed it too unless you get something like a rgb interface.

And still component > scart wont work in his setup anyway.

Any pictures that compare different CRTs with the same screen image?

>>2296520
No, TN and IPS pannels are still kind of shit for fast-paced games.

things have gotten better very recently though, G-sync,free sync,ULMB, low persistence displays and a few other things. (but most of that comes at the cost of contrast/brightness and color accuracy

>>2296489
Man the Dhoney is gorgeous.

>>2296527
>most things aren't going to have scart anything

yes, that's why you would need to transcode

anyway, its probably more work then its worth for most people. and that's poly a 14" set or less so you might not notice the diffidence in resolution anyway.

>>2296534
>No, TN and IPS pannels are still kind of shit for fast-paced games.
I assume you mean the blur? Strobing backlight and the problem is solved.

VA panels have come a long way too. My personal choice atm with the modern Sonys.

>things have gotten better very recently though, G-sync,free sync,ULMB, low persistence displays and a few other things. (but most of that comes at the cost of contrast/brightness and color accuracy
I haven't kept up much with monitors. I don't emulate.
>>2296542
>yes, that's why you would need to transcode
So you want him to go component > scart > to which ever input his TV accepts? Wtf?

And AGAIN that will not work with his set up.

>>2296512
>doesn't know how things look in-person verses a blown up overly close photo.

>>2296530
I could look through and see what I've got. Most are likely just going to be partials of the screen though.

>>2296549
>AGAIN that will not work with his set up

why?

>I haven't kept up much with monitors. I don't emulate.

none of those things have much to do with emulation, and Strobing backlights are a part of ULMB technology.

>>2296489
>I sure hope the Dhoney doesnt get a burn in, i've binge watched countless seasons of televisions shows and animes on it (most of them letterboxed on the screen).

If you're only using part of your screen, the unused parts will wear out more slowly and you may notice some time in the future that there's brightness and contrast differences between different portions of your screen.

>>2296557
>why?
PS1 doesn't output component.
>>2296557
>none of those things have much to do with emulation
I"m not aware of TVs supporting any of that
>and Strobing backlights are a part of ULMB technology.
The more you know I guess.

>>2296527
idk how I have it, I found it abandonned one day and took it

>>2296519
the ps3 is capable of outputting in scart, even though it's american, i'm sure the 360 can do the same

>>2296510
what is a transcoder (pic please) and how much do these cost? is it like a reciever but can output in scart?

>>2296567
>the ps3 is capable of outputting in scart, even though it's american
RGsB is also included under that option.

>>2296571
i've never had a scart adapter for playstation, so idk about that

>>2296580
>i've never had a scart adapter for playstation, so idk about that
A component cable and a compatible display are all you need to make use of that; Multi AV uses the same pins for RGB as they do for component.

>>2296483
Cool, thanks. I've been really paranoid that I'll be on my computer for a too time and the menus will burn in.

>>2296562
>PS1 doesn't output component.

pretty sure he's using a PS2, that plays PSOne games and sports component output as well as RGB.

>I"m not aware of TVs supporting any of that

your correct, most of that technology is for gaming monitors. the only type of blur reduction televisions use for the most part is some type of frame interpolation (Samsung's "auto motion plus" is the most famous than I can think of).

it's irritating because televisions are years behind gaming monitors in features and technology.

a lot of that technology is also going to be used for virtual reality gaming in the upcoming years. ( probably one of the main reasons that technology has been developed so quickly)

I'm looking at an older model BVM that only supports PAL. Is it right that RGB will generate colour regardless of region because the signal is always encoded the same way? How about YPbPr component?

>>2296549
>Strobing backlight and the problem is solved.
Save that whatever monitor goes dim as fuck and has other problems due to that washout.

>>2296595
>pretty sure he's using a PS2, that plays PSOne games and sports component output as well as RGB.
I misread then. Thought he said he was using a PS1.


To be fair gaming monitors area a cluster fuck right now. One thing those monitors have in common though is they're getting rid of blue by having very fast refresh rates and some form of interpolation. The interpolation adds lag. Not to mention it's going to have all sorts of problems with older games.

For retro games you're stuck at 60hz. Interpolation can help but I'm not a fan and all the TVs that do that have very high lag. Strobing backlight works perfectly for me.

>>2296608
All you need to do is increase the backlight brightness. Unless you're someone that enjoys a TV with stock "BestBuy" settings that burn your retinas they're so bright.

Anyone got tips for taking a picture of my CRT? I've only got my phone camera and when I try to take a picture all the sprites on the screen look like they're glowing. I'm the guy from the last thread who was having troubles with my S-video cables by the way.

>>2296615
On every set i've tried the backlight trick on it just goes dim and weird. Max brightness still isn't anywhere near bright enough, maybe about 30-40% of non-backlight maximum.

>>2296620
These would be PC monitors though. Using LCD TV's is just a bad idea through and through.

>>2296623
>>2296620
>Using LCD TV's is just a bad idea through and through.
How's that?

Since you're talking about maxing brightness on a monitor I can only assume you're blind or your monitor is about dead.

>>2296629
Monitors were several 120Hz capable Samsungs, new and colouful.

LEC TV bad due to lag. Image processing, coupled with the sacrifice of response time and addition of things like motion blur to hide image flaws. Makes building them cheaper. Some of this can't be turned off. some can, and may expose other weaknesses in picture quality.

>>2296619
what type of camera are you using? ( point and shoot, DSLR, phone, etc.)

the best thing you can do to start out set your ISO to the lowest you can go (ios 100 is the usual lowest most phones go)

taking the picture in a dark room also helps

>>2296637
>Monitors were several 120Hz capable Samsungs, new and colouful.
That means nothing for retro games.

My Sony has sub 1 frame of lag with my xrgb. No motion blur with the strobing backlight. Picture quality is about as good as you'll get till you spend thousands on an OLED.

Stick to high quality LCDs and there's no problem.

>>2296605
RGB is RGB

Color encoding is going to affect composite, s-video, and RF. YPbPr is it's own type of color encoding and should work so long as the set supports it.

>>2296619
If your phone has some type of manual adjustments available, make use of them.

If it has a Macro mode, use it.
Having the CRT be the only (main) light source in the room helps; My best photos are taken in an essentially pitch black room.
Make use of low ISO modes if possible. 64 and 100 are what I use, but I'm also using a cheap point and shoot digital.
If possible, adjust exposure as needed to deal with bloom and things coming out too bright.
Depending on your CRT and camera, changing what it expects for white balance can help; My Sonys like Fluorescent (get a lot of heavily blue tinged photos otherwise) where as the Mitsubishi seems fine with it set to just auto.

High angle shots like >>2296106 and the OP are often times easier to get than head on shots; Especially when it comes to moire.

>35 images off of 8000 unsorted photos.
FUCK

>>2296643
what type of panel, is the Sony display though? also what is the response time?

>>2296661
It's a VA panel. W7 series.

>>2296647
>>2296642

Hope this and the next one aren't too bad. I didn't take pictures of how it looks with composite but I did switch between them and S-Video certainly looks sharper and nicer.

>>2296681

>>2296664
that's very strange, as va panels are usually considered inferior to IPS panel for fast paced gaming. their main advantage lies in contrast deeper blacks and less color shifting than the other displays.

>>2296702
True but for what ever reason Sony decided to use them with the W6 series (not the garbage one we got in America) and carried onto the W7. They're really nice TVs.

>>2296681
>>2296684
Yeah, could do with a bit less exposure.

>>2296530
This is what I could find just running through my folders; There's also >>2284357 in the last thread.

>>2296702
>>2296713

you also say this television has strobe backlighting?

that's pretty cool, also sounds like you're doing a good job keeping it tidy by upscaling your games to a native resolution with the XRGB.

>>2296681
>>2296684

those look really nice, like the arcade machine displays I remember when I was a kid.

>>2296647
>RGB is RGB
>YPbPr is it's own type of color encoding and should work so long as the set supports it.

Yeah the set supports both formats. I'm worried about the the PAL timings used, and the fact YPbPr is nominally based on NTSC timings. Is all YPbPr the same, or is there a difference between 480i and 576i that will mean the latter will display but the former won't?

>>2296681
>>2296684
>>2296716

>>2296717
The XRGB just linedoubles and the TV upscales the 480p to 1080p

I'll get to taking a different picture sometime.

>>2296730
I thought the XRGB could go all the way up to 1080p with its scaling

or am I thinking of the frame-master /XRGB mini

are those all different things?

>>2296725
How flexible is the sync rate going to be as well? I've found other PVMs won't go higher, of course, but you can normally sync things a little lower than 15.6kHz and get away with it. Was that based on the fact they had to handle SECAM/PAL/NTSC, or is it a little tolerance generally built into the design?

Let's try this again.
>>2296681
>>2296684
Not terrible, but could do with a bit less exposure.

>>2296530
This is what I could find just running through my folders; There's also >>2284357 in the last thread.
http://imgur.com/a/rK2m2

>>2296725
I can't see that happening, but I suppose it's hypothetically possible. Especially unlikely for professional equipment, I would think.
Why are you looking for a model that supports ONLY PAL? Even if you don't plan to use others, having them available to you isn't going to hurt anything.

My M2MDU is fine displaying both 480i60 and 576i50 over component, for what it's worth. The latter is quite flickery for someone used to NTSC, but still.

>>2296740
Bit of column a, bit of column b if I had to guess.

>>2296749
>Why are you looking for a model that supports ONLY PAL?
I'm not, it's all I can get within desired specs and budget :)

Thanks for the help.

>>2296736
The mini is the framemeister. The full name being the XRGB-mini Framemeister.

I use a XRGB 3.

The XRGB 3 can linedouble or scale up to 1080p. When linedoubling it has just under 2ms lag doing that. So basically lag free and has no problem with games that switch between 240p and 480i.

The Framemeister probably has a very slight edge in image quality over the xrgb 3 at 1080p. But it can't line double and has a hard time with game that switch between 240p and 480i. It also has about 20 ms lag. Can add scanlines all the way up to 720p too. Oh and it handle 480i games really nicely.

Some other differences too but those were the big ones for me. Both fine upscalers.

>>2296756
What model?

>>2296759
but aren't you still getting some kind of input lag from the television's own scaling though?

still has to scale 480p to 1080p, unless it's scaling technology is exceptional.

>>2296767
>but aren't you still getting some kind of input lag from the television's own scaling though?
Yes. Under 10ms with the TV. Using a measuring method of having it next to a CRT and comparing clocks. Fudoh measured the W6 and W7 TVs. Has a whole review about it.
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=48662

The TV handles 480p really well.

>>2296772
that sounds pretty cool, I'll have to check it out.

>>2296586
>dat Bridget

>>2296809
I could have sworn I had decent recording of his idle animation, but it seems I was wrong; Oh well.

>>2296829
>his idle animation

>>2296809
>>2296829

what is everybody going to do when he grows up?

would you still be gay for Bridget?

(I don't know anything about the sequel that just recently came out, is he in it at all?)

How do you take a good photo of a CRT?

>>2296876
what do you mean by good?

>>2296871
It's Guilty Gear, he'd still be qt no matter how much he grows up; Just look at Ky.

>is he in it at all
I don't believe so, but he'll show up in one of the re-releases eventually.

>>2296876
see
>>2296647

>>2296761
it's a BVM-2010P

I'm not sure how to take a good CRT photo. Here's some Odin Sphere shots of varying quality from my 14 inch Sony PVM.

>>2296889
Thanks for the advice... I'll grab my tripod and see if I can do better.

>>2296892

>>2296892
Mutha fuckin Odin Sphere, still so fine after all these years.

>>2296898
>after all these years

fuck I'm old

>>2296904
OS was the first PS2 game I ever tried to emulate. Turns out if it makes the PS2 lag, it'll make a shitty Prescott P4 2.8ghz lag too.

>>2296923
I think it was one of the first burnt dvd games I got to work on my PS2 with uhhh whatever pirate memory card thing I used to have.

>>2296929
as you can see, I'm not sure how to lower the exposure time in flower mode on my Nikon... also my tripod isn't at home either...

>>2296932

>>2296937

>>2296929
>>2296932
>>2296937
>>2296941
Aside from the light reflections in the first two, they look great.
Especially the colors; Nice and vibrant.

>>2296941
>>2296937

legacy of Cain?

>>2296889

>>2296890
And fuck me, does the 2010P need an adapter board to decode RGB and component signals?

http://neohyphengeo.com/BVM2010.pdf

It comes with the inputs on the back (p16 of the above pdf) but can it use RGB and component without the adapter board? Or are those boards like on later BVMs and just for extra inputs? Do the option boards for the 2010P even *have* external inputs? (p7-8)

On later models like the 2016P it's called the "RGB/Component adaptor - docoder outputs for RGB or Component signals". Does this mean it's only for outputs, for re-encoding the signal on screen so it's different than the loop thru's...? And thus not needed to run RGB/Component inputs?

The guy from >>2294996 is going to be in the same boat with the BVM-2016P. Do you know what boards they have in them, mate?

>>2296580
make sure you buy an actual RGB scart cable, one of those things that composite cables go into doesn't magically transform your image into RGB scart, it'll still be composite

when i turned macro on, i got a lot more banding even with anti banding turned on

managed to snap this though

How are non-Sony monitors in comparison to the BVM and PVM? I think I have access some small CRT monitors that were used for editing, but I don't think they have any Sony ones.

>>2297241
Depends on the model. I've heard good things about some panasonic models (i.e. BT-H1350Y) and ikegami. NECs are rare-er and usually larger as well, but also supposedly very good. There are also some JVCs that are rebranded panasonics.

At the end of the day it comes down to the model though. Some models were low end when they came out and won't look good no matter what, some were high end and still look great.

>>2296387
>>2296483
Yeah. It pretty much depends on the phosphors and brightness/contrast settings.
PVM/BVMs with their bright but color accurate phosphors are more prone to get burned in.
I personally assume with dark modern phosphors and properly low setting you would at least need to display a static screen for 30 years non-stop.
With the "default" settings it's much lower, it always seem to be about 3x as bright as my normal setting, with that i would say not more than 15 years.
Maxed out settings could kill the phosphors within months, i guess as i will never do that.
I heard that complete deflection failure (beam only lands in the middle) can burn in within seconds.

>>2295930
http://mg.olx.com.br/regiao-de-juiz-de-fora/audio-tv-video-e-fotografia/tv-phillips-29-54423337?xtmc=tv&xtnp=1&xtcr=18
Should i buy it?
Looks big, i wanted something small-ish...
15 american dollors
Also, anyone knows what model it is?

>>2297220
Is an official Sony PlayStation SCART cable rgb?

I would like to buy a sega genesis eventually, and get a scart adapter for it too.

but is there an actual (and affordable) component to scart adapter?

>>2297508
>Is an official Sony PlayStation SCART cable rgb?
If you can find one yes. It's RGB + Sync
>I would like to buy a sega genesis eventually, and get a scart adapter for it too.
>but is there an actual (and affordable) component to scart adapter?
Neither of those consoles output component.

>>2297508
If it's got the yellow, red and white wires, it's component crap.

There's no such thing as a SCART adaptor that will improve signal quality. You have to get a dedicated cable.

>>2297517
some systems can output in RGB with component cables

>>2297524
Nothing retro can. At least not without a mod.

>>2297520
i'm talking about a pass-through from component (outputting at rgb) to scart, not any composite to scart thing.

if that exists, otherwise it's cool just buying scart adapters when I have the chance.

>>2297528
If you have a scart input on your TV use it?

>>2297534
I did not understand that question, and I don't intend to shitpost this thread (although that is probably what I am doing, and I apologize if I am).

The TV has a scart input on the back of it, it had a composite to scart adapter in it, if you look at: >>2296489

I've used Input 1 (that is the input for scart on the device) maybe once, the adapter is cheap and possibly not functioning correctly, as it only showed video and not audio. I don't plan on using the scart input until I get something worth plugging into that slot.

I've only ever used s-video on this television.

>>2297508
>>2297517
Where would one go about acquiring a fully-wired Playstation RGB cable?
Official ones are like unicorns, and I'm 99% sure anything I bought off eBay would be SCART wired with composite/component. The only other place I've found is a German company who make their own, but want $60 for the thing and another $100 for delivery.

>>2297551
>>2297551


>>2296029
>>2296106
>>2297231
here,

these are just some 5 euro ones from china
the cable could be thicker but they do the job just fine

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/6-ft-For-Sony-Playstation-2-PS2-PS3-RGB-1-8M-Scart-TV-AV-Lead-AV-Cable-/201158708449?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2ed5fe4ce1

>>2297551
Nobody does that shit. It costs just as much to wire up RGB SCART as it does to wire composite to SCART.

>>2297541
SCART will give you better picture quality, but the audio not functioning is a worry. That's a composite to SCART adaptor, did you use all 3 wires? The yellow one only carries video, the other 2 are for audio left and right.

>>2297557
That cable is a piece a shit.
>>2297541
The RGB signals are a bit confusing when you're first getting into it.
SCART (not composite over scart) is RGB + Sync along with sound
Component is YPrPb
VGA is RGB HV

Most retro consoles output rgb via scart or there's a mod for rgb.
No retro console outputs component.

If you have a scart input use scart. There's no point trancoding from scart to component back to scart. Scart should be the same image quality as component.

>>2297551
>Where would one go about acquiring a fully-wired Playstation RGB cable?
If you're in America good luck. If in EU then you have some options. Can't recommend any though.
I'm American and use a cable from retro console accessories. Has sync on luma.

The problem is you need a fully populated connector so you need to use 3 PS1 connectors or find a component cable to cannibalize. Both not cheap or easy to work on.

>>2297560
>Nobody does that shit. It costs just as much to wire up RGB SCART as it does to wire composite to SCART.
That is completely false. Especially for PS1 cables that need the connector to be fully populated.
If it is actually rgb it's still going to be shit and probably have no shielding. Definitely below shit tier caps in any.

>>2297560
Theres a switch on the adapter that has IN and OUT on it, I forget what it's set to so that the adapter sends the composite signal, but one day I managed to bend that switch slightly, and I got sound. However it's such a cheap adapter (i've seen nicer ones), i'd rather buy an actual scart cable.

>>2297561
>trancoding from scart to component back to scart
so nothing like this is a good idea?

>>2297561
>>2297563
What do you mean by fully populated?

Also retro_console_accessories doesn't have any PS cables in stock, and I'm not sure how luma would factor into my current setup; which is a simple breakout cable going into a PVM.

>>2297570
The PS1 connector needs to be fully populated. Luma is just another form of sync.
>>2297569
I don't know what that connector is. Looks like a component cable > composite scart adapter > scart input
No idea if that would work. My guess would be no.

>>2297570
>What do you mean by fully populated?
not him but the actual connector that goes into the PSX needs to have all the pins.

look on ebay for cheap comPOSite cables, look at the connector, it only has a few pins to save a few pennys

>>2297569
>so nothing like this is a good idea?
not only is that retarded, but it wouldn't fucking work

>>2297570
>What do you mean by fully populated?
>>2297573

found a pic of one that's NOT fully populated

>>2297576
This is only on fucking composite cables. Seriously, I've got an absolute bog standard chink SCART cable right here, and it's "fully populated".

>>2297582
Open it up and take a pic so I can have a laugh.

>>2297582
the official sony compOSite cable is fully populated

>>2297583
this, no really. lets see inside.

I don't know why everyone want csync/luma for their scart tv. It's only for upscalers which have trouble using composite as sync.
AV switch, fast blanking, caps, and shielding are much more important points.

>>2297583
>>2297585
Here you go, guys. Looks like standard fucking RGB to me, but hey, I'm no expert. I don't want to mess with it because it is cheap chink stuff, none of these connections have any hot glue or anything.

>>2297592
In America no one is using them for a TV. So most of that doesn't matter to us. We only care about shielding, caps, and the sync used.

Also there not much point in worrying about the shielding. Most of the official jp21 and scart cables had none at all.
>>2297593
No shielding, 1 ground wire, AND they trapped a capacitor under a resistor. Chicom never change, please.

>>2297593
that is some high quality grounding right there, rock solid.

10/10

>>2297597
shielding does matter, if only for audio. MD2 official scart has audio buzzing on bright screens (and other big design flaws as well)

>>2297604
Sorry I should had worded that better. It matters but there's no point in buying one of those $100 scart cables. Individual shielding is often overkill too.
Was trying to say that as long as it has some kind of shielding you're probably good.

And really if you wanted to go over that top you'd be dumb to use scart in the first please. BNC connectors would be the best isolation for the signals possible. But again, entirely unnecessary.

>>2297572
>>2297573
>>2297576
Okay, I've done some Googling;
I'm not from Europe, and no one posts to where I do live, so it looks like my only option is to wait for RGC to restock their luma-sync Playstation SCART cables and, if my PVM doesn't support it, buy another SCART-BNC breakout cable with a stripper installed.

I hope testing the former cable in my PVM wont damage anything.

>>2297615
you could also buy a scart connector, a cheap but fully populated psx cable and make your own.

i'm waiting on a 10 pack of scart plugs to show up to make my rgb cables for my sega systems and my tg-16, after modding.

now if only scart switches weren't impossible to find (A QUALITY ONE THAT IS)

i might have to shell out the 180 bucks for the guy to build me one on that one forum... or build my own if i have the time/patience/info

>>2297615
can't you build a breakout with a LM1881 first ? So you could see if your current cable works or not, before buying a scart with luma.

>>2297561
>No retro console outputs component.
Technically, some SNES consoles are capable of it.

>>2297642
True but that requires a mod.

>>2297619
I don't really have the expertise, tools nor the patience to mess around with that unfortunately.

>>2297625
Truth be told I don't even have a PS1 yet; I was merely asking for future reference. And for the reasons above it's probably worth it to order something like this and spare myself the headache:
http://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/female-rgb-break-out-scart-to-4-x-bnc--2-x-rca-for-sony-pvm-monitors.html#

Thanks a lot for your input though.

>>2297619
>you could also buy a scart connector, a cheap but fully populated psx cable and make your own.
Unfortunately I have no idea how to go about that; from where to get the parts, to pinouts, to actually building the thing.
What I'll probably do is as >>2297625 suggests and install a LM1881 stripper into a breakout cable. Retrorgb has a guide on how to do it (http://retrorgb.com/syncstripper.html).).

Also this may seem like a dumb question, but I'm not well versed in this stuff:
I use my current breakout cable with my SNES, and that uses csync which works fine in my PVM. If I hedge my bets by assuming there'll be compatibility issues with luma-sync and install a syncstripper, will that affect functionality with the csync SNES? I'm gonna assume no, because in my mind the stripped clean sync has higher compatibility(?), but I'd like to confirm.

>>2297696
>Also this may seem like a dumb question, but I'm not well versed in this stuff:
Try it out and see. I have no idea.

>>2297713
Alright, thanks for the advice.

>>2297696
you don't even need that board. I'm pretty sure you can fit this in your breakout

>>2297730
I might have to, because it looks like the asshat doesn't ship to my country.
Cheers for the tip (looks kinda cool too).

>>2297746
http://www.mmmonkey.co.uk/composite-sync-stripper-lm1881/

>>2297747
And bookmarked.
Thanks again.

A Panasonic CT110-MA showed up on craigslist and it has a VTR connection. I remember reading about them on here once. What's the deal with them? Can they be hooked up to consoles?

>>2295493
>Sorry I haven't been inside RadioShack for a few years, they probably don't even sell radios! (Or any kind of circuitry for that matter)
They do have some electronics stuff for sale, but it's the equivalent of a convenience store in that regard; Prices can be quite stupid.

Those various circuits look fine, but the problem comes in how to implement it. I don't want to have installed directly within my breakout cable, because I don't know how it will react to being fed an already clean composite sync signal rather than composite video.
Building a middle man cable would require buying cabling and SCART hoods, or buying and tearing apart an extension and trying to go from there, which would either add in a stupid amount of length or require completely re-attaching one of the cable ends.
The third (preferable) option would to just a little dongle to toss in between the breakout cable's sync line and the monitor. This, however, introduces the problem of powering it and additional parts. I have little boards I could mount the chip to, but nothing sizable enough to to include something like BNC connectors.

I'm wondering if one of those little SCART audio breakout connectors would be able to be opened up to install in there. That would work well for the first bit, make it easily removable from the setup as needed.

Alternatively, what would be the proper way to install a switch to go between having cvid from the console or csync from the lm1881?

Also, the cable.

>>2297803
>Alternatively, what would be the proper way to install a switch to go between having cvid from the console or csync from the lm1881?
I think you would be better off having two cables.

RetroRGB has $10 boards that fit inside a scart connector.

Looking at your set (nice fire hazard btw) you may want a sync strike?

I think I may have mentioned that to you before? Price was too much or something I think you said. Sorry if I mentioned that before.

>>2297473
what inputs does it have in the back?

Hi, I have a wii and a component cable whivh i usually hook up to a hdtv because my crt tv doesnt have a component input and i was wondering what is the best way to convert the component cable signal to something my crt has an input for. My CRT has an innput for svideo, scart and composite.

>>2298009
>svideo

just get a Wii s-video cable

>>2298009
>>2298017

>>2297937
>RetroRGB has $10 boards that fit inside a scart connector.
$20

>nice fire hazard btw
tyvm.
Everything is grounded, everything is individually wrapped in electrical tape under that mass of masking tape; Even have all the video grounds connected. I know it's a piece of shit, but as I said before, it was put together mainly to make sure that input even worked; The real fire hazard was the original "cable" I was using for it.

>you may want a sync strike
That's $40 before shipping.

>>2298009
>i was wondering what is the best way to convert the component cable signal to something my crt has an input for. My CRT has an innput for svideo, scart and composite.
I'm going to assume you're in Europe since you have SCART.

Wii RGB SCART cable.

>>2298017
If he is from Europe, PAL Wii's don't support S-Video. Softmodding and region changing could fix that, but that would require the CRT support NTSC.

>>2297937
>RetroRGB has $10 boards that fit inside a scart connector.

they cost at lest $20 now.

>>2298027
>>2298023
My mistake. $20 still pretty cheap. Not like you need more than 1.

>>2297803
>They do have some electronics stuff for sale, but it's the equivalent of a convenience store in that regard; Prices can be quite stupid.

ah, well still its been years. most of the ones I used to vist are all cell phone shops now.


Those various circuits look fine, but the problem comes in how to implement it. I don't want to have installed directly within my breakout cable, because I don't know how it will react to being fed an already clean composite sync signal rather than composite video.

wait... why do you need a sync cleanr then?

do basicly want to make your own Sync-strike clone? (i've seen soemone do that).

>If he is from Europe, PAL Wii's don't support S-Video.

Sorry, did not read the SCART in his list of connections. yeah only NTSC wii's can use S-video/YC.

>They do have some electronics stuff for sale, but it's the equivalent of a convenience store in that regard; Prices can be quite stupid.

ah, well still its been years. most of the ones I used to visit are all cell phone shops now.


>Those various circuits look fine, but the problem comes in how to implement it. I don't want to have installed directly within my breakout cable, because I don't know how it will react to being fed an already clean composite sync signal rather than composite video.

wait... why do you need a sync cleaner then?

do basically want to make your own Sync-strike clone? (I've seen someone do that).

>>2297803
i that really just a VGA to DB15, the old mac standard?

>>2298063
>wait... why do you need a sync cleaner then?
So that I don't have to be picky about what cables I purchase and their compatibility with different monitors.

My current PVM isn't picky about sync, nor is the model that I'd like to upgrade to at some point. The Megaview on the other hand is a real bitch about it on that point. I already crippled my Mini to get c-sync with a c-vid wired cable. It's a matter of whether the the lm1881 will mind being fed c-sync on its cvid line, in the off chance a cable is wired that way.
However, if this thread: http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?249977 is to be believed, it shouldn't be a problem. Unless anyone can show me a link saying otherwise, I guess I'll trust broken.

Also, a less expensive but perhaps a bit less "aesthetically pleasing" sync circuit in the same vein as the one offered by retroRGB:
http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?256828
Possibly willing to ship to >>2297746 as well.

>>2298070
On the monitor, it's the same connector, but different pinout. A normal HD15 to DB15 adapter won't (at least mine didn't) work. Pin 1-3 are RGB, 4 and 5 are H/Csync and VSync for 15khz sources, 12 and 13 for 31+.
What I have there is a cable I tore from a broken CRT monitor, what was a male to male SCART cable, and the connector from an old Joystick. Its previous iteration was just the VGA cable bit and some ribbon cable to slide into the female openings on the monitor's end; The true fire hazard mentioned above.

>>2297942
Don't know, sent an email asking how many AV ports it had in the back but it was announced by a girl who is trying to sell it but the TV is actually from her father so she sent him my email and i'm waiting on his response.

Guys I'm poor. Would an 8 inch PVM be good enough? If it means anything I'll be very close to the most of the time.

>>2298257
No, sub 13-14" models have a lower line count. If you are short on cash then you either have to dig a bunch locally to snag something good for <50$ or look for a 600 line non RGB model, such as a PVM-L1.

>>2298105
well, I'll be interested to see which way you decide to go.

I've seen the lm1881 going anywhere from $2 - $20

awesome job on the cable by the way, who cares if it's a little ugly (you could just wrap it in Self-fusing silicone repair tape, doesn't stick to anything except itself. awesome stuff and great for little DIY plumbing projects as well)

>>2297803
>>2298105

beautiful monitors you have by the way.

you said you need to get up it to snuff, besides cabling and color purity what else needs to be fixed on it?.

what's your solution for sound by the way? I know most of these monitors don't have speakers (I've just been using headphones)

>>2298353
It works, but is by no means good. There's a visible interference pattern rolling across the screen at most times, sometimes settling down in a spot for a while before starting up again. As said in the past, I'm not terribly knowledgeable about electronics, but it might be due to all the loose wires just hanging about, unconnected to anything and acting as little antennas. Perhaps removing them all together, or at least tying them all to ground could help to fix or reduce that; Infinite ground wires.

>>2298363
>you said you need to get up it to snuff
As you said, purity and cabling.

Convergence is iffy in spots, as seen in the OP. Definitely could use a deep cleaning on the inside, but I'm still iffy about taking anything apart without documentation; Specifically due to the rat's nest of cabling and boards that makes up it's inner workings.
That cleaning could possibly quiet the fans on it a bit, which aren't terribly loud but noticeable.
I'd also like to figure out why it seems iffy on syncing to my SNES; It could very well be due to the way I've gone about getting csync from it, but I don't know for sure.

>>2298353
As for the LM1881, I think I'm going to contact the seller on neo-geo and see about heading in that direction. I'm not using a TV or monitor that NEEDs composite video for sync, so making the move over to composite sync will hopefully happen without many problems.

>>2298401
If and when I do end up "deep cleaning" it, I'd like to try to document or at least photograph the various boards and the like in depth.

As for audio:
The PVM's mono speaker isn't bad by any means, but I've got all audio for that piped to a switch(which is also being fed from my HS420 which I believe is on its way out) out to an Fisher CA-38 amplifier that I picked up at a flea market last June or July for $5.
From there I can either plug in a pair of mdr 7506 headphones, or Klipsch KG4 floorstanders. The amp isn't able to get near what the KGs can take, but in this small room, anything over half volume is down right painful.

The Mitsubishi on the other hand, has very nice and loud stereo speakers built in, along side a built in power amplifier for powering speakers(such as the KG4s). Any systems that I've had connected up to it have just been using their normal stereo connections, and the laptop is connected through a 3.5mm to 2RCA cable. Again, a lack of documentation makes it hard to say what the amplifier is rated for; The built in speakers appear to be marked as 8ohm 1.6w in one of my photos, but I could be reading that wrong.

Also, I am absolutely terrible at MvC1.

>>2298401
>>2298414

>There's a visible interference pattern rolling across the screen at most times

is that with every input you try?

I bought a small 13 inch Trinitron (KV 13FS100) and it also had a similar problem, but it was only really noticeable when I first turned it on and the tube was warming up. or if I put any kind of moiré pattern on.

.>Definitely could use a deep cleaning on the inside, but I'm still iffy about taking anything apart

you could use the reverse vacuum method, almost like a super compressed air. that would probably help of it. but make sure you have something to keep the fans from spinning during that process (it's bad for the bearings I hear)

>it seems iffy on syncing to my SNES; It could very well be due to the way I've gone about getting csync from it.

did you RGB mod your SNES?

>I'd like to try to document or at least photograph the various boards and the like in depth.

that would be awesome, would definitely like to see that. some people do teardowns without any kind of documentation. there's probably guide out there for that ( think I saw something like that on "tested")

sound like you have a pretty nice sound set up, rock on!

>I am absolutely terrible at MvC1.

I used to be semi competent but I haven't played in years, just put it on recently and I got smashed pretty hard by the computer.

how are you at dead or alive 2?

just got a new phone (LG ultimate 2) for a screaming deal of $89 (without contract) performance of the device is pretty awesome overall ( even though it's just a dual core, but from what I understand android is pretty much optimize only for dual core anyway)

not too sure about the camera though, anything I can do to improve (ISO 200, white balance set to fluorescent, continuous shot mode)

here's a few pics I snapped of my PVM 14m2u

(questions and comments welcome)

>>2298492

>>2298493

>>2298494

>>2298495
all of these shots were taken through component video, I wanted to do a little comparison.

component.

>>2298498

composite

>>2298482
>is that with every input you try?
Just RGB2 from what I've noticed.

>vacuum
Vacuums tend to generate static electricity, don't they? I really don't think that's the best thing to be throwing around near something with so many circuit boards. Either way, it's not dust that needs to be cleaned out(done that already) rather years upon years of nicotine build up. The back of the tube is a lovely shade of brown due to this, and I'm not looking forward to the smell once I do start to clean it off.

>did you RGB mod your SNES?
It's an RGB modded mini, yes. Sadly I screwed up the amplifier that supposedly reduces the grey bar, so it's still there until I get around to ordering and putting together a new one.
What I mean by that is, I removed a capacitor leading to the composite video line and wired csync up to it in its place. The PVM doesn't care, but the Megaview gets a somewhat scrambled picture at start up and went out once or twice when I was first testing it out. If the sync stripper works out, I'll probably be replacing the cap and getting composite video on it back.

>how are you at dead or alive 2?
Don't believe I've ever played any of the DoAs. Sort of okay at GG but I'd get steamrolled by anyone with a hint of skill.
I'm pretty bad at fighting games in general, but they're still fun and often times just so pretty.

>>2298492
Not bad; I'd really like to see what one of those smaller models look like in person.
Camera makes parts of them look like 480i though.

>>2298526
>Vacuums tend to generate static electricity, don't they? I really don't think that's the best thing to be throwing around near something with so many circuit boards.

oh you're right, air compressor is what I was thinking about.

this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9T6WGFmam0&t

>>2298414
>Klipsch KG4 floorstanders
Kya please tell me you are planning on hooking up a sweet Marantz reciever to those. Video game sound bliss.

>>2298526

>Don't believe I've ever played any of the DoAs.

Ah, that's a shame. DoA2 is like my second favorite Dreamcast game (soul caliber is also pretty awesome)

graphics are fantastic, (still even for today I think) characters are fun and the fighting system is really easy for beginners to get into, I just love the way the combo system flows)

give it a try if you ever get the chance.

as guilty gear goes, I'm absolutely terrible at that. but I haven't spent much time trying to learn systems.

also fatal fury "mark of the wolves" is another favorite of mine. (does that have a 240p mode, like Street fighter three?)

>>2298526
>Not bad; I'd really like to see what one of those smaller models look like in person.

it's a lot sharper in person than these pictures make it out to be.

>Camera makes parts of them look like 480i though.

how so?

true the scan-lines aren't super apparent (especially with composite video for some reason),

but it really is beautiful in motion. (I think it's a 600 lines of resolution tube).

I'm also doing all this by hand so that causes some unintentional blurring I'm sure, I'm looking for a cheap tripod.

I've been meaning to try S-video with games on it, looked great with my S-VHS deck though

>>2298560
I'd like to upgrade at some point of course, but this Fisher isn't terrible for right now. 30 watt from the 80's I believe. By no means is it great, but certainly an upgrade from the Lepai I had been using before. http://i.imgur.com/uzpDg6I.jpg
It'd be neat if the tape deck worked as well, but its use as a raiser for the amp and tuner is welcomed.

>>2298561
I might have to give it a try at some point. The temptation isn't all that strong without someone to play against though.

>does that have a 240p mode, like Street fighter three?
Doubtful; The list of games that do is painfully small.

But hey, at least Princess Maker Collection is supported, right?

>>2298565
>how so?
The top bits in one or two of the shots blurs together a bit which could be taken as getting part of the screen with both fields of video, will another part is only captured as one. It likely is just from handheld shots and the camera.

>600 lines of resolution tube
Unless they changed that with the 14in models, yeah M2s are 600TVL sets.

S-Video should look great on it; It's what all of my Dreamcast shots have been of; Aside from those on the GXTV at least.

>send tekyard a few product requests a week and a half ago
>no response yet
Are they kill?

>>2297593
omfg that thing is unshielded as fuck. First rule is to never, NEVER use multicore, only coax lines, and make it double shielded outside if possible.

>>2297696
Most PVM's will be absolutely fine with composite as sync. Almost all will be happy with luma and sync. What model PVM, btw?

>>2297797
assuming it takes composite through that plug, then yes, anything with the yellow video out plug can be wired to go in that VTR point. Find the pinout for it and see what it takes i guess.

>>2297803
>>2298105
I reckon the LM1881 will just pass Sync, whatever's going into the input. It's just logic level (effectively) and timing, done through a sync tip clamp. Make sure it's AC coupled - i.e. wire it up as the diagram on the first page of the technical pdf wants - and you should be good to go.

No idea where to buy them in the US, sorry. Paying about $4-5 ea incl. shipping sounds about right tho.

what about these other chips?

what they may be do a better job and be more versatile?

>>2298664
yer, they'll work the same way, but probably better for HD signals.

what about these other chips?

would they possibly do a better job, and be more versatile?

>>2298565
>>2298576

>It likely is just from handheld shots and the camera.

did a few more adjustments, still handheld. how is that?

>>2298576
>>2298689

also, just realized this is only a five megapixel camera.

yours must be higher (eight megapixel?)

Hi /crt/.
I just got a Trinitron KV-1442ESP (Just a Spanish made KV-1442) for €10, and it seems to be fully functional except for one problem: The picture is squished vertically, shown in pic. The video source is a Megadrive connected through RGB SCART.
Is there any way I can fix this? If so, how?
More pics coming.

>>2298706
Circle pattern

>>2298706
That's just how PAL looks on the MD. If you want to fix it, install a 50/60 mod, you just need to cut a couple of traces and solder in some wires and a switch.

http://mdpal60.net/wiki/megadrive/regionmod/start

>>2298716
It's modded and it is in 60Hz mode. Note how the first pic says 'NTSC VDP 320x244p'

>>2298724
My bad. I'd try and find a service menu and see if you can adjust the picture that way.

>>2298726
I found a service manual, I have the TV open right now and I see a pot marked 'V. Size'. Will try adjusting it and post results.

>>2298724
>Note how the first pic says 'NTSC VDP 320x244p'

>>2298727
mark the original position with a sharpie, pen, marker, white out, booger, etc first!

>>2298731
>>2298726
FUCK YEAH. Adjusting the pots for the vertical size and the horizontal frquency fixed everything. Now I am part of the Trinitron master race!!!

>>2298280
Quality isn't a big deal. Is it playable?

>>2298736
what kind of cable did you use ? An official (with the box in the middle of the cable) or 3rd party ?
Because non-officials usually only provide 5v to pin 8, and that makes the tv go into 16/9 mode. With your adjustements, if you use a console that sends 9/12v to pin8 like a SNES, you might get overstretched picture...
Do you have the remote ? You can force screen mode with it.

>>2298758
I made it myself, but I have used it on other TVs and they didn't switch to 16:9 mode. Can I test if the picture is overstretched with a Wii? It's the oly other console that I have a SCART cable for.

>>2298763
I think the wii sends the correct voltage (9-12v), if it's set to display in 4/3 in the console options.

>>2298765
Tried it, no overstretching whatsoever. Now I have another problem; The TV displays composite NTSC signals in black and white. Is there any way I can mod it so I can switch the composite decoder IC into NTSC mode? I know there's a version of this model (The KV-1442AN) that is PAL/NTSC.

>>2298776
my kc tv trinni displays black and white over composite when in 60hz but over rgb scart it's fine , if thats any help

>>2298814
*kv trinni

>>2298814
Yeah, I know that. But I want to play NTSC consoles that only output composite (Twin Famicom, for example)

>>2298817
Just do an RGB mod. You'll have to do it eventually anyway, unless you like your video looking like shit.

>>2298819
I'm not going to spend that much money in my Twin Famicom when composite quality is perfectly good for me.

>>2298689
>>2298692
That does look sharper than before;

And yes, mine has an 8 or so mega pixel sensor. Mega pixel isn't everything though, especially when you're dealing with smaller sensor sizes.

>>2298706
I just love the way the little base on that thing looks. Looks like the convergence is a bit off on the upper left side though >>2298736

>>2298627
I could probably get them from mouser if I wanted, but I'm probably going to get a prefab board from the seller on neo-geo. Already checked the breakout, and while not many lines are wired up inside the hood, the pins are still there so I should be good to go on that part.

>>2298840
>the convergence is a bit off on the upper left side though
Nah, that's just my shaky hands fucking up the picture. It looks perfectly fine in person.

>>2298736
Finished working on this guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuL8qqxBfp8

Is there any particularly good living room furniture for housing 14", 20" CRTs and/or consoles?
Most modern TV benches/storage units seem to be designed with LCDs in mind, and are neither wide nor robust enough to accommodate 40 kg of Sony BVM.

Where do you guys keep your CRTs, and how are they displayed?

It's the guy with the KV-1442ESP again.
I've discovered that for some reason when an RGB signal fed to the TV is a 60Hz signal it looks perfectly fine, but when it is a 50Hz signal I get a shitload of vertical overstretching. Why is this? I'm tired of this damn TV.

>>2299442
Maybe it's because it was made in the mid 80s and lacks vertical amplitude correction, like certain 90s Grundig sets that some anons posted and they reported the same issue that you had.

It shouldn't be impossible to add a switch that switches between the 50/60hz setting.

>>2299467
I see. I was thinking of replacing the vertical size potentiometer with two potentiometers, one for 50Hz signals and one for 60Hz signals. Then I'd add a switch in the front panel of the TV to switch between the two. Would something like that work?

>>2299472
>Then I'd add a switch in the front panel of the TV to switch between the two
This is always something i do not really approve of because it's next to impossible to undrill a hole, i always found a way to avoid plastic modding on /vr/ stuff.
>Would something like that work?
I actually did something more advanced than this, a few years ago.
Basically 2 relays that are controlled by a PIC12F629 and switch the V SIZE and PIN AMP trimmers between the original 4:3 and the new 16:9 setting.
It works pretty good.

You should plan this carefully and keep your mod away from the high voltage parts and stuff that gets hot.

>>2299483
The TV has a hidden panel (meant for the tuner adjusments) I'd put the switch there (pic related)
I can't into PICs, so the switch would be the only thing I can do.
I know the dangers of CRTs and high voltage stuff. Luckily, this CRT has nice reusable plastic ties that keep all the HV stuff out of the way. Another question: Is it neccessary to use shielded cable?

>>2299494
>The TV has a hidden panel (meant for the tuner adjusments) I'd put the switch there (pic related)
Yes, this is how i did that on my SNES. I got rid of the RF modulator and put my switch in the hole.
>I can't into PICs
You don't need that, i wanted to enable 16:9 by a unused button on the remote control.
>Luckily, this CRT has nice reusable plastic ties that keep all the HV stuff out of the way
This has nothing to do with luck, high quality/safety standards are rather normal for the technology of the past.
>Is it neccessary to use shielded cable?
Very good question. If it catches strong interference then it could add some waviness to the scanlines but i don't think this will happen. Just make sure it won't make unattended electrical contact. Some people that build PCs laid their power cables above the very hot graphics card, these cables melted and caused a strong shorts thus frying the whole thing.

Just bought this.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/371286367741?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Did I mess up?

>>2299621
meh, if it works fine, i'm sure it will still be fun to play

>>2299621
>60 bucks for 8 inches
Most definitely. Have you never used a screen before?

>>2299621
>>2299675

also that image of john candy on the monitor looks really dim, makes me wonder if something is wrong.

if its busted, make sure you get a refund!

>>2299621

has some nice features, but that 250 line resolution would make me think twice.

should have tried to get the PVM-8045Q (it has 450-TVL way better for games at that size)

overall though, if it works fine for you not a big deal

(what systems did you want to play on it?)

>>2296595
>But hey, at least Princess Maker Collection is supported, right?

Man, I would love to play those in English.

(thanks for the tip, I'll have to track that down for my dc)

>>2299621
You should be fine, and the unless you're setting it up across the room from you then the screen size shouldn't be any trouble.

>>2298576
>>I might have to give it a try at some point. The temptation isn't all that strong without someone to play against though.

I've always found the A.I in DoA games to be more fun to play against then most fighting games, the fast motion and fun combo system really cement that for me.

also, if you want someone to play with. DoA online for the PC is free to play. I think.

>>2299675
I've owned an 8" travel tv before that was great.

>>2299723
This guy is selling multiple TVs. They're all playing this movie and look like that.

>>2299736
I'll be playing SNES.

i found one of these at a thrift store a cpl months ago.
CPD-G420S 19" FD Trinitron CRT Monitor.
I have it running on a 486 x4 100 with a 2 meg pci card for my retro dos machine.

>>2299836
how does it look? I'm going to have the 18" version of that model soon.

>>2299825
yeah, just treat it like a portable system, SNES sounds fine. maybe try to get s-video working on that.

good luck

>>2299836
>CPD-G420S
It'll be a shame not making use of the full resolution thats capable of, but it's bound to give a mighty fine picture either way.


Also, finally decided to get a DC VGA cable, so getting some nice photos of it on the Mitsubishi will hopefully come within a week or so.

>>2300015
>finally decided to get a DC VGA

rock on.

I love the VGA output on my dream cast

>>2299825
Still far too expensive for that. $25 at most for a PVM-8045, and that's just to cover the seller's trouble. And personally i wouldn't have gone less than the 8045 due to resolution. You say you don't give a shit, and maybe not, but try the higher TVL one and say you don't appreciate the difference.

>>2299836
Really good actually, assuming your going to use it with some sort of svga card, some of the older games that assume a 640x480 resolution are going to look kind of funky when overscanned to 1600x1200 but its not that bad

>>2300015
its actually dual boot win98/opendos so its not quite as restrictive as a vanilla dos 6.x build.
I am trying to get my hands on one of the old rage cards, i havent had much luck however the two i bought off of ebay were both nonfunctional

>>2300242
actually I'm going to use it with a modern PC and attempt to run it at a super wide resolution of 3840x480 (3840x240 also)

I hear everything from 1979 - 1999 looks pretty good with those settings. (with a few tweaks)

>>2300259
now that is an interesting notion, consider my mind blown. I would be interested in how it turns out please start a new thread with the results

>>2299723
It almost looks like burn in.

Hey /crt/, just coming back with an update about a third party remote I purchased on eBay (www.ebay.com/itm/271501303753) a couple of weeks ago to replace my RM-870 that broke. I needed to get into the service menu on my Trinitron, and I'm pleased to say I was able to do so with this.

I browse /crt/ often and have learned a lot from you guys, so hopefully this info can help someone.

>>2299523
I have finished the mod, and I'm pretty happy with the results. Pic is the new potentiometers (I had to use two in series, since I didn't have one wit the proper value) and the switch. I ended up using shielded cable just in case.
1/4

>>2300427
2/4
The switch installed

>>2300429
3/4
I also added a stereo output so I can hear my vidya through my Hi-Fi system

>>2300430
4/4
A 50Hz signal from a Wii connected through RGB.

is there any sort of SCART "powerboard" what will allow me to hook up multiple consoles to my TV that only has one SCART port?

>>2300434
why cater for 50hz at all and go to all this effort? i live in a PAL region and just bought NTSC versions of my favourite consoles and flashcarts to compliment them.

Before I came to /vr/ or knew anything about retro vidya I spent close to ~$1000 buying PAL versions of games. At least they will always be worth something, I guess.

>>2300441
Bcause I was bored, and this was a pretty fun project. I also have PAL consoles that can't be modded for NTSC (NES, N64 and PS1 mainly)

>>2300454
Definitely a cool project, very cool! I admire people like you who take the time to do this sort of stuff.

Isn't there some rare French model of N64 that can be RGB modded? Also, slightly off topic, but once you modchip a PAL PS2 it can output NTSC PS1 at 60hz and without black bars, right?

>>2300435
A SCART splitter? They definitely exist, but I couldn't recommend one. Not sure if there's specifically a /vr/ approved one.

>>2300462
>Isn't there some rare French model of N64 that can be RGB modded?
Any N64 can be modded at this point, some just require more work than others.
http://etim.net.au/n64rgb/

>>2300472
>>2300435
Here's a list of SCART switches that are considered good and ones you should avoid.
http://retrorgb.com/scartswitches.html

I have the Bandridge one and it's solid, but they're becoming impossible to find now.

So I was looking into a 20" Sony WEGA (I have a 27" model, but the component ports are broken, and it's a bit too big anyways), and I stumbled upon this:

http://www.amazon.com/SONY-KV-20FV300-20-Trinitron-Wega/product-reviews/B000066HOC

The guy there claims some of the WEGA line suffers from contrast issues, which are fixed through the service menu. Any truth to this? Maybe I'm a pleb, but I don't notice anything too odd about my own set other than some convergence and geometry issues (which he also claimed to have fixed, except he's an absolute faggot and purposely left out what he did to fix those things, as well as how to save settings).

>>2299736
Where'd you get that chart?

>>2300634
Looks similar to this:
http://www.broadcaststore.com/pdf/model/12596/sonymonitorlineupguide.pdf

>>2300634
>>2300750
And found it
http://users.rowan.edu/~winkler/equipindex/manuals/Sony%20PVM5041QSeriesBrochure.pdf

>>2300750
>>2300754
Oh cool, thanks.

>>2299621
I actually bought my 14 inch PVM from him and it works and looks great! The reason the screen looks dim is just because of the way he took the picture. He does a very nice job packaging as well; just be ready to clean up a lot of styrofoam popcorn.

>>2296493
those cables suck monkey balls

hey /crt/, first time coming to /vr/ and i have a few questions. i just got a 14" PVM for pretty cheap ($10), and i'm looking to hook up my modded PS2 to it so i can play PSX games.

the problem is i'm retarded when it comes to this stuff, and i'm struggling to sift through all the information. i think i need some rca to bnc adapters, and possibly a ps2 component cable to achieve this. my pvm has rgb inputs, but according to what i've been reading if i plug this in and switch the settings from rgb to comp on my pvm it should work.

also off topic, but i would also need the same things to run my original xbox on it too, right? or would the signals that produces look better on an HDTV? thanks in advance, sorry for the questions. if anyone could recommend some particular cables or places to buy all this instead of random ebay sellers that would also be most helpful.

>>2301652
>PSX games
If you're not interested in RGB then any Playstation-compatible component cable hooked up to the PVM via simple RCA>BNC adapters will work.

That said, the Playstation 1 outputs RGB without modification. I'd encourage you to look into RGB for your PS1 though. If your PVM is an 800-line model then they can be truly spectacular.

>xbox
A HDTV would work better for a 360, but if you mean the original Xbox then it depends on the game. Anything 240p or 480i will look better on the PVM (although the latter may be a bit blurry/shaky), but if the game outputs 480p or higher then a HDTV will probably be better.

>>2301652
What model PVM? Whether it supports component depends on the model. I'm going to assume that since you've done some reading that it likely does.

>i think i need some rca to bnc adapters, and.. ..a ps2 component cable to achieve this
If you have a model that supports component, that would be correct. You'll need female RCA to male BNC adapters like: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000G5S4JI

>original xbox
OG Xbox would look nice on it, but has a considerably larger portion of games that support progressive scan, and unless your PVM is a MultiFormat model, it may look better hooked up to an HDTV.

>>2301672
>That said, the Playstation 1 outputs RGB without modification. I'd encourage you to look into RGB for your PS1 though.
Depending on where he lives, PS1 on PS2 route would likely be easier and cheaper to get cables for with no real loss in quality.

>Anything 240p
Not going to see anything 240p coming out of a HUEG.


I do wonder if it would be possible to get a decent quality 240p image out of it with an Extron Emotia and interface though.

>>2301672
sorry, not sure if i was totally clear, i'm most definitely interested in rgb for both ps1 and ps2 games, i just happen to have a modded ps2 so i would like to kill two birds with one stone, so to speak.

i did mean OG xbox, yes, so i guess i better look up what games don't display in 480i(?).

>>2301695
i'm not at home right now, but it's definitely a model that supports multiformat if you mean being able to switch from rgb to comp, etc.

thanks so much for your help guys, /vr/ seems like a really good community compared to a lot of the other boards!

>>2301672
>>2301695
just posting again - apparently if i get RGB cables for my PS2 they will look great when playing PS1 games through it, but for PS2 it seems that running through component is superior.

i'm getting a lot of my info from http://retrorgb.com/playstation.html - not sure if i'm misinterpreting it or not.

>>2301672
>>2301695
just posting again - apparently if i get RGB cables for my PS2 they will look great when playing PS1 games through it, but for PS2 games it seems that running through component is superior.

i'm getting a lot of my info from http://retrorgb.com/playstation.html - not sure if i'm misinterpreting it or not.

>>2301751
The only downside from using a PS2 for PS1 games is a very small incompatibility with a few select games (I believe one of the Final Fantasy collection games(5 or 6) has problems saving properly or possibly a problem with freezing; There are a couple others though).

Aside from that, the image quality of RGB and component is the same. Component will allow for games to display in 480p IF your display supports that.

>>2301763
PS1 game compatibility is heavily reliant on which revision of the PS2 your have. Legend of Dragoon locks up on one cut scene on disc 2 on my slim PS2 (yeah, it's that specific) but runs just fine on my roommate's fat. I've just committed to playing PS1 games on a PS1 even though that's the only compatibility problem I've had with my PS2.

>>2301773
The lists seem a bit larger than I remember, but it's still relatively small.
Ignoring the wikipedia list:
https://web.archive.org/web/20080108152930/http://www.us.playstation.com/News/ConsumerAlerts/Compatibility.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20070102170104/http://www.us.playstation.com/News/ConsumerAlerts/softwareTitles_75001.html

Nothing wrong with keeping a PS1 around for those games, but the PS2 is still a great all-in-one solution.

If you're looking for an economical option and have one of the earlier PS1s, you can still use a component cable with it, and use a spare RCA cable to grab sync from the composite out.

Hey, anybody here with PC CRTs? have any of you guys ever tried DSR ( Dynamic Super Resolution) gaming with them?

Lets say my CRT's best res is 1024x768 at 85hz would the DSR setting work at 4096x3072?

anyone know?

>>2301821
it would be sort of like this

guy near me is selling a Sony VPH-D50HT CRT Projector (supposedly is excellent condition) for $100.

don't have car, and not ever sure I could lift it.

man I bet that thing would be awesome to game on. lots of inputs.

>>2301909

Not really, they're great for films and stuff, but not for vidyas though.

>>2301918
what do you mean?

I think that have to be better than most of the LCD projectors out right now.

besides possible contrasts and fan noise issues, I can't think of a reason why they would not be great for games. (these aren't film style projectors)

care to elaborate?

>>2301931
Not him, but IMO the colours just don't pop from any projector. Looks washy, and you lose signal resolution and clarity (further than simple scaling up, that is) the larger the image is.

>>2301963
I would probably only do a 100 inch screen max (specs say it can do 250")

I've never seen a CRT projector output in-person so I don't know what it looks like.

>>2301931

They're way more prone to burn-in than your everyday CRT or even plasma monitors : HUDs, scores and stuff like that can damage them, and seeing how expensive they are, it wouldn't be a good idea to damage one this fast.

>>2301970
meh, I only play the same game for like 45 minutes tops anyway.

so it would probably last me longer then most people.

I just think something with the motion clarity of a CRT with that large size would be amazing.

>>2301986

Alright, do as you wish, but don't post another "Help! I ruined my projector while playing vidyas on it!" like the millions already present on the internet.

>>2301986
Rear screen projection is probably a better idea if you're stupid.

Big screens don't mean much. Anything past 20" is a waste for sitting down, you can go up to 32" if you want to play light gun games.

Don't forget that widescreen is a total con for old games, which almost always display 4:3.

>>2302067
that doesn't really matter for a CRT projector though.

>>2302067
>>2301996

is it a crime to play street fighter, and want to Ryu to be at least 19 incest tall?

why do you have to crush my dreams?

>>2302095

I'm just stopping you from wasting your money on something you'll damage by doing something that is considered to be normal on a standard monitor.

>>2302095
>>2301986
>>2301931
>>2301909
No scanlines and they look horrible if you ad them. Pointless displaying old games on a screen that large.

If you want a large display, a low lag LCD with strobing back light would be a much better option.

>>2302121
Well, that’s nice of you. I probably don’t have the space for it anyway. But $100 for something that was $11,000 was also kind of neat.

>No scanlines and they look horrible if you ad them

some scan-line shaders look really nice these days.

>a low lag LCD with strobing back light would be a much better option.

I don't think that tech is really ready for prime time yet. and most Large format displays use some type of interpolation.

and they also cost a fuck-ton of cash. this was a $100 (anything close to that size screen is at least $3000)

I understand, it probably would have been a bad idea.

but as a kid I had always wanted something like that. (and also my own arcade)

>>2302095
lol

>>2302137
>some scan-line shaders look really nice these days.
On a large display no. I wasn't talking about shaders and their quality.
>I don't think that tech is really ready for prime time yet. and most Large format displays use some type of interpolation.
Been around for awhile now. Unless you man TVs much larger than 50" which is pretty stupid.

lol at that auto correct.

>They're way more prone to burn-in than your everyday CRT

what if you keep the brightness down?

>>2302146
>On a large display no.

sounds like a subjective thing, I'd like to witness that myself.

scan-lines on a 40 inch TV look great to me. (its just the motion blur fucks it up).

>>2302154
The larger you make the image the larger the scanlines become. Unless you're sitting like 20 ft away it looks bad. And if you're closer than again it's pointless.

LCDs get a bad rep because people buy shit ones and then wonder why they're getting a bad experience. And all the stupid ass parroting that goes on from people googleing.

Are Hitachi PVMs any good? Might be able to get my hands on one (specifically a CM-151E), but I can't find any info online about it.

What do you guys know about Mitsubishi CRTs any good? Should I pick this up?

>>2301821

I've used DSR with my fw900, and it works fine, though its native resolution is already 1920x1200. I imagine it would work fine with your monitor so long as your GPU is powerful enough to handle it. The only problem you might run into is getting the nVidia software to give you the resolution you want. It tends to only give you a couple of options for DSR.

>>2302162
>LCDs get a bad rep because people buy shit ones.

I'm not so sure about that, I mean most people probably aren't as sensitive to motion blur as I am. playing Sonic the Hedgehog 2 or Mario Brothers on most LCD monitors makes me want to throw up. even with relatively good LCD monitors (My TV and computer monitor that I purchased two years ago have fairly good response times, TV 5ms, computer 2ms)

my eyes will still ache with fast-paced motion because of all the blurring even at 2ms, with a CRT that's not a problem ( but once again I am the minority on that front)

it's also one of the reasons I kind of stop playing video games around 2008 (when all my original CRTs stopped functioning)

>>2302349
that's good to know, I couldn't find anything about DSR working through the analog video interface on today's GPU's ( or is your fw900 hooked up via DVI?)

I just tested out streetfighter x tekken on my relatively underpowered 550 ti and it was able to output 2K resolutions at 60+ fps with no problem, at 4K things were a little chuggy at 40fps

also with Intel and ATI announcing that they are dropping support of analog VGA interfaces, makes me wonder just how long these monitors will be usable on a technical level with newer operating systems and games. (not to mention GPU hardware)

of course there's always adapters, but I doubt any of those HDMI to VGA adapters support superwide resolutions, like the HD fury Pro (I've only heard that it supports 1080p max. but I don't know for sure).

>>2302301
well first of all, if you knew the model number that would help.

generally most Mitsubishi TVs are pretty fine as long as it's in good condition.

>>2302405
That's pixel response time you're talking about. That has more to do with ghosting than blur. Ghosting hasn't been a problem for years.

Motion blur is always going to be a problem on LCDs with consoles that run at 60 hz. There are ways to deal with that problem though.
>I'm not so sure about that, I mean most people probably aren't as sensitive to motion blur as I am
No, you're not alone. I can't play side scrollers for very long on most LCDs. FPSes I can't play at all. I get headaches and my eyes really ache and bother me.
But with a strobing back light I have no problem and there's no blur. At least that I can see. Again it comes down to buying the right LCD. A normal LCD for me would be shit. I need low lag (less than a frame in my case) and very low blur. I play my retro games on LCD with a XRGB.

Interpolation with like 120hz refresh works too but I prefer the strobe.

Probably a stupid question, but do all CRTs make that high pitched noise? It's hard to describe, but it's definitely not through the speakers as it's still there when the volume is muted. Just got a new CRT (Panasonic CT-20G12V if it matters) and it's still making that noise, I thought it was just the dying Sylvania CRT before, now I'm thinking it's just how the TVs are.

>>2302473
CRTs make a kind of buzz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ki475ndkFs

>>2302473
All CRT TVs make a ~15KHz noise, because of some funky high voltage stuff going on with the horizontal refresh rate. PC monitors make a higher pitched noise, but it's out of the human hearing range.

>>2302473
Yeah, they all do it. It's drowned out by even low volume.

>>2302485
But my volume is fairly loud and I still notice it...
The buzz isn't particularly loud or anything, it's just ear piercingly high pitched.
Some people say nails on a chalkboard is awful, but these constant really high pitched noises are what do it for me. This and fluorescent light bulbs kill me. Also velcro, but that's neither here nor there

>>2302495

You're not Saul Goodman's brother by any chance, are you?

>>2302502
Why no, I'm not.
Also never seen Breaking Bad or Better Call Saul and frankly I don't want to stray too off topic.

>>2302495
if you can hear it over a high volume then it might be something else.

can you try listening to another one?

are you in Europe?

are you in your 20's or younger?

that's the sound change if the screen is lighter or darker?

what model is it? how big is it?

how close are you sitting to it?

>>2302495
turn your volume down/off before you play this. (then up a little bit till its audible)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSozmeBpRMw

does it sound like that?

>>2302569
Not him, but what's the difference if you're in Europe?

>>2302495
I understand the noise your talking about although I haven't noticed it for a long time so maybe I can't hear it anymore because I'm getting older,either that or or it's only specific crts.

>>2302569
>can you try listening to another one?
Like I said, my Sylvania flatscreen CRT made the same noise it was free and just what I had, not a conscious decision to choose it, and the Panasonic was just free and convenient to pick up. There's Trinitron's for free all the time here, but seemingly only 32" ones which are too large and heavy for me.

>are you in Europe?
No, America.

>are you in your 20's or younger?
Yes 22. Family was poor so I played more retro games than anything else. Also only have ever had cheap CRTs.

>that's the sound change if the screen is lighter or darker?
I'd say it gets higher pitch when the brightness rises, but it could just be my mind playing tricks on me since I'm looking for something...

>what model is it? how big is it?
Panasonic CT-20G12V, either 20 or 24in. Don't feel like measuring it.

>how close are you sitting to it?
Probably 4-5ft away

>>2302576
Yeah, kinda. The tv is lower pitched and more "fuzzy" of a tone. I can hear it very easily, when my speakers are at 4% and the video is at max volume. Of course my 4% and your 4% might not be comparable due to differences in our speaker setups

>>2302621
That's exactly what I wanted to find out, although it seems like it's just all CRTs.

>>2302628

Stop spoilering everything like it's a fun toy to play with. This is not /v/.

>>2302586
50hz sounds different/louder then 60hz on some sets. (very noticeable on mine)

>>2302586
i'd imagine the possibility of a tv with a lower refresh rate that puts it within hearing range

>>2302640
50hz systems use a line rate which is slightly lower; it may be more audible.

>>2302638
It's just things that are overall irrelevant but extra information.
Like, saying I was using a flatscreen CRT earlier. Pretty sure there are some people here that would be quick to point out a curved CRT is better than a flatscreen/HD CRT. I felt the need to explain it preemptively, but it didn't need to be seen since it was irrelevant to the question at hand.

>>2302628
does it change when you play games at 15khz vs 31khz?

it could also just be coil whine/ dirty power and interference (shitty av cables too)

>>2302647
what kind of games/ systems are you playing on it?

connection? (composite, s-video, ect)

>>2302648
I have no idea and I have no idea how to test that.

>>2302651
I'm uh. Watching cable television on it now. Specifically the second line for Dish Network where I have to tune to channel 116 and the DVR box in another room handles it.
Just tested it with my Dreamcast though and can still hear it.

>>2302656
>>2302656
Both of those run at 31 kHz (480i)on an sdtv set

if you have a dream cast try the 240p test suite or see if you have any DC with 240p output like sf3

>>2302680
>>2302680
>31 kHz (480i)
480i is 15.6khz, just as 240p is.
480p is 31khz

>>2302680
List of games to test

http://www.xrz87.org/port-fx/240p.html

>>2302686
Oh, Right

Mixed that one up, still might be with a try for progressive vs interlaced.

>>2302648
>>2302680
>>2302691
Thanks for the info.
Still makes the noise when I play Twinkle Star Sprites.

>>2302708
Did you enable 240p mode?

>>2302708
>>2302714
>>2302714
>>2302708
>>2302714

From retrorgb
To access the 240p mode in Dreamcast games, a few games ask if you'd like to start the game in a "progressive" mode (Bangai-O) and I've read that a the Capcom Dreamcast games can be forced into a 240p mode by holding Start+L (or Start+Z on the Arcade Stick) when you turn the system on, before the Capcom logo appears. As far as I know, these are the only Dreamcast games that support native 240p

>>2301909
In terms of CRT projectors, the D50 is a good model and 100$ is a very good price if it's in good condition. You'd still need a screen for it and it's always gonna look like poop unless you turn off the lights, but if you want to play vidya on a HUGE screen or watch movies then it's a good option.

This site has a ton of info on CRT projectors: http://www.curtpalme.com/TechTips.shtm

>>2302714
Yeah. Pretty sure I could hear it, but wouldn't swear by it over the Dreamcast's noises. (Before, I waited for it to stop reading the disc to listen for the sound, didn't seem like it was happening this time.)

>>2302729

$100*

>>2302762
$100$001$

>>2302095
>19 incest tall
>19 incest
>incest

>>2303029

Probably spends most of his spare time on M-oth-er-less.

>>2303029
>>2303173

ha, not really it's just android 5.0.2 on my device has completely broken AutoCorrect for anything useful.

I did just watch Game of Thrones ... and Frozen maybe Google know something I don't, lol

>>2302729
hey thanks for the info.

yeah I know that if I go through all the trouble of buying it and bring it home i'll definitely have to go down a pretty deep rabbit hole of learning how to use and maintain a CRT projector.

but I'm sure quite a bit of the knowledge I've acquired from this thread would apply.

according to the documentation, has its own line double or built-in, but I probably wouldn't get much use out of that ( I generally don't use interlaced sources)

I'd probably just hook it up to my PC, and use it sparingly... still have to find somebody to help me pick it up.

>>2298689
a few more shots

>>2303341

>>2303346

>>2303352

>>2303354

>>2303368

>>2303385

>>2303390

>>2303391

>>2303406

Got this TV for free. Is it a keeper or should I continue to look for the newer FD Trinitron/Wega TVs?

>>2303495
Guy told me it was an XBR, but I'm pretty sure it is not.

two questions now, one when I can remember what it was, and a photo of a shitty Toshiba something or other, taken with a shitty phone camera.
>1.
Where should I look for PVM's? I've had an ad on Craigslist and some Facebook groups for months now with no results.
>2.
I'm going to make my own A/V switchbox. I'm currently using a 4-way from best buy, and an 8-way from amazon, along with a A-B box for RF that's probably older than I am. I'm going to cannibalize everything but the A-B box, and add in S-video and possibly component support for when I get around to modding my consoles. Any tips, like cheap/easy ways to shield everything? I've got a roll of aluminum tape I was planning to use, but I don't know if that'll give me the result I'm looking for.

>>2303495
>>2303503
My mom has one of the FD Trinitron/Wega sets, and I've been thinking of upgrading her set to an HDTV set and taking the Sony off her hands...

After searching on Google, I found some forums with some info below, though is it true?

>...I'm looking for an accurate reproduction of 240p (think Sega Genesis and other systems of that era). From what I gather, the FS100 is a decent CRT....
>...The FS100 series was great, much better than the FS120 that followed...

>>2303495
>>2303503

How much $?

does it have S-video?

have you seen it operate? how does it look? (you should test it out if you can)

>>2303534
I have that exact set (the 27FS100), and it is quite excellent, save for a few convergence issues in the corners, but they're not severe or anything. That said, it might be just a tad too big for me (my room is kinda small so I have to sit pretty close to it). Kinda wanna replace it with a 20" version.

>>2303534
>FD Trinitron/Wega sets

the silver ones? those can be fine but the flat tubes can be a little harder on geometry and convergence

I had a 27" FS100 and it was great until it died (2004 - 2009)

My brother still uses a kv-32v40 (built in 1998) still looks great.

240p would look good on both sets (FS100 has component inputs so you can get a really clear picture )

>>2303534
the only thing I know about the FS100 vs FS120

Sound is a little different

Comb filters are both 3-line digital

I think the 27FS120 has the 16:9 enhanced mode (good for movies and 16:9 games, you get a few extra lines of resolution)

>>2303534
here's a list of TVs in that series.

KV-27FS100
KV-27FS120
KV-32FS100
KV-32FS300
KV-36FS100
KV-36FV300
KV-36XBR800
KP-43HT20
KP-51WS500
KP-53HS30
KP-57WS500

SOWA-SWT-29FS3

>>2303536
It was freeeee!!! And it only has one S-Video connection. I have not tested it, but the guy told me it worked.

Pic related.

>>2303549
>>2303551
>>2303570
Alright, and yeah the TV my mom has is the silver tv with the flat tube display. The picture looks great as far as I can tell, haven't gamed on it yet. Though I will most likely be buying her a new TV and taking the Sony off her hands.

>>2303596
keep that cylindrical tube.
FD/WEGA tubes have geometry and convergence issues that can get really annoying and are a bitch to fix.

If only shipping wasn't that expensive...

>>2303706
Anyone knows a place near Tokyo where I can buy CRTs/Monitors? Even in Akihabara, they seem to have become quite rare. Except for this model I have not seen another PVM/BVM.

I recently got a Sony G520 CRT monitor (pic related). It works very good, however, I have two questions:

1. Can I get 240p out of this? I've tried xrandr, but using the mode line supplied by gtf causes the monitor to throw an "out of scan range" error
2. Is there any way to hide scratches on the glass, or is it fucked for life? This monitor has some rather noticeable scratching.

>>2303763
>1. Can I get 240p out of this? I've tried xrandr, but using the mode line supplied by gtf causes the monitor to throw an "out of scan range" error
What refresh rate did you have specified? It needs to be at least 120hz for it to properly sync to a PC monitor like that.

>>2303763
>hide scratches on the glass, or is it fucked for life?

look-up the toothpaste trick, and see if it might work for you.

>>2303763
>>2303779
or this stuff

>>2303772
Ah, I was trying 60hz.

I tried using a 120hz modeline, but I still get an out-of-range error:
The modeline generated by gtf is: ""320x240_120.00" 12.38 320 328 360 400 240 241 244 258 -HSync +Vsync"
Monitor error: "74.9kHz/290Hz OUT OF SCAN RANGE"

Is this monitor completely incapable of 240p or is something else wrong here?

>>2303783
try a super a wide res like 3840x240 @120hz (and 3840x480 @60)

>>2303784
xrandr just fails if I do that.

>>2303787
check this blog out and look at the comments

>>2303784
>>2303787
>>2303789
Tried it again (turns out I was putting quotes where there shouldn't be quotes).

Both 3840x240@120Hz and 3840x480@60 silently fail.