/vr/ - Retro Games

>>2236529
Is FFL2 the only RPG with a non-sentient final boss?

>>2236568
SaGa Frontier's Genocide Heart is more or less the same as Arsenal/Last Defense System, it's just a supercomputer.

Whats the actual story behind saga 2? Like I love the shit out of the game but now that I think about it I dont understand it. You have to gather the Magi so the gods can't do evil with them? But after you kill apollo who really gives a shit about magi?

>>2236594
>who really gives a shit about magi?
No one because Arsenal is triggered and you gotta destroy it or anything will be toast.

Story wasn't really one of SaGa's best points.

>>2236613
oh I guess if arsenal was triggered by all the shit going on that makes enough sense for me

>>2236671
In the beginning the story is simply gather all the magi and stuff, of course you also have to fight demons like Ashura again so it's pretty clear the world is a bit fucked, after you get to Apollo though the power of Magi suddenly causes Arsenal to awaken and think "shit just got real, it's too late to save anything".

That's roughly a synthesys of SaGa 2's story, of course if you wanna more particular there are also the Goddesses and such but that's mostly flavor stuff that doesn't really add much depth.

SaGa 3 had a sligthly more interesting story though.

>>2236529
I was playing the remake of SaGa when I noticed that my character had turned a lighter color. Then I got hit and it went back to normal.

What's up with that?

>>2238358
actually, i'm playing on an emulator so chances are good that it's a graphical glitch.

>>2238370
Must be a glitch, the DS emulator is sometimes a bit unstable.

>>2236573
NO FUTURE.

I still love the track "Save the World". It is bad ass and you know shit just real as your parties HP just crapped itself.

>>2238835
Carnage has to be one of the best attacks of all time.
>Dat SFX for NO FUTURE boot
>Dat charging up
>Dat crazy ass ricochet off of the screens

SFX, music and choreography are all 11/10, would fight endlessly.

>>231981
I wasn't sure about this picture from the last thread, Who are the two guys in the middle suppose to be? I'm guessing one of them is silence.

>>2231981
I wasn't sure about this picture from the last thread, Who are the two guys in the middle suppose to be? I'm guessing one of them is silence.

Not necessarily vr SaGa. But oh man the battle music for Imperial SaGa is amazing!

http://www.imperialsaga.jp/

Wonder how its supposed to work as a browser game though...

>>2238915
Silence and Ren, Emelia's boyfriend and Fuse's partner. Ren is the sixth member of the IRPO dream team.
>>2238925
Well, it's a remix from from Itoken, of course it's amazing.

>>2238759
I'm playing the first SaGa, so it's a WonderSwan emulator on my PSP.

It's a good game to grind in while you walk through the snow. Just wish I could figure out why the emulators can't keep save files. Nothing that save states can't fix though.

>>2239135
How does the emulator run?
I was kinda thinking of slapping it in my PSP as well since there are a few wonderswan titles I wanted to play on the go.

>>2236529
I don't know why, buy Final Fantasy Legends II and its DS remake are pure gold.

Never could get into 3 though. Maybe I'll try again.

And maybe I'll try a non handheld version

Ok I really need your help. What games in the Saga series are most like FFL2?

I've played Legends 1 and 3, the first was good, the third was good in its own right but too different from 2. I played one of the frontier games and found it to be way too different, is there another game in the series that I'm missing?

To clarify I like the "make your own team" start, the array of different player types and the level as you do system.

>>2239436
I second this motion.

I half wish there were a game maker for FFL2. I imagine it is a pretty basic and awesome engine, and lots can be done with it.

>>2239139
Fine for me. I only play SaGa on it though, so no guarantees about action games working well.

>>2239436
Only thing that is close to Final Fantasy Legend 1 and 2 is SaGa Frontier 1 since it has races and an undefined setting that can go from feudal Japan to modern day to mystical and even high tech like the first two SaGa games.

>>2236568
Final boss of SoM is Flammie

"Final boss" of Treasure Hunter G is a dumb animal, but it's more a story battle than a real final boss

EarthBound and Chrono Trigger, arguably?

>>2236529
You forgot about the DS remakes of the GB ones, or did you leave them out because not /vr/?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4begsMnlPu4

dat arrangement tho

>>2239786
SaGa 3 might be fun, but those redesigns, man. Ugh.

Who should I pick as a main character in RS3? I have kind of narrowed it down to Julian and Monica because I like their designs. Any advantages or disadvantages to choosing certain characters?

>>2236568

>>2240284
Harid the swagmaster, of course

>>2239594
I see, well, if it runs SaGa well I don't think I'll have problems with other games like SRW or Cho Aniki.
Thanks for the info Anon.
>>2239786
Not really because they're not /vr/, we also talk about MinSon and UnSaga from time to time, I just thought it was common knowledge now, I'l add them to the OP in the next thread though.
>>2240284
Julian has great growth and he's good with swords and martial arts, but the best one is probably>>2240334 due to his insane sword waza table which allows him to learn the best techs very fast, he also has slightly better stats for swordfighting compared to Julian.
For females it's either Ellen or Katarina, I would suggest you play as Katarina first because she's the only character who isn't recruitable by anyone, she's also extremely good with Great Swords making her one of the best candidates for the Ice Sword later on, probably the best female main gameplay wise. Ellen is a beast with Martial Arts and Axes and she has pretty decent growth as well.

It also seems that the 25th anniversary has sparked some interest in lewd stuff.

I wonder how many unscanned doujins we're missing...

>>2240287
deus is sentient, do you think he could plan the incredibly complicated scheme to ressurect himself otherwise?

>>2240284
What >>2240781 said but some addendum

Harid is as greedy as a J... uh a Mercenary, and there's this hidden counter when asking for better/rewards in certain quests raises the "Greed counter."

Go past a certain point and you lock yourself out of a certain quest because your MC will automatically ask the quest giver for a reward and he'll get offended about it. Harid starts really close to that danger point although you can avoid it by reading an FAQ in advance.

Sarah is kind of strange because she's a main character who gets taken out of the party near the final battle, making her the only character who can play that battle with Commander Mode. Commander Mode being kind of an interesting way to play the game but I don't know if anyone should play it as a first

>>2241110
>Harid is as greedy as a J... uh a Mercenary
I like how Harid-Ossan is the greedy merc with a heart of gold.

He's the oldest guy in the main cast and even though he is very pragmatic about money and his job he's also genuinely worried about the other guys.
Harid is best Romancing Ossan.

>>2241067
It's just a machine following its programming.

SaGa Frontier is legit my favorite JRPG of all time. Best battle system ever. Music is the greatest. I liked SaGa 2 okay, but was completely let down by Unlimited SaGa (it would be playable if not for the randomness of the reels).

Still waiting for a worthy succsessor. DREAM SUPER COMBO 4 lyfe!!

Which is the right translation patch for RS3?

>>2242867
The one you'll have to wait for.

Now that we're talking about it is Retranslation Bro still lurking around? Haven't heard anything from him in ages now.

>>2242583
it was programmed to be the ships ai or whatever, not crash the ship and repair itself in that manner. just because deus never says anything doesnt mean its not sentient

>>2243105
>it was programmed to be the ships ai or whatever

No, it was a prototype weapon system that destroyed a planet during its start up test. They were transporting it away from inhabited space when it took control of the ship because that conflicted with its programming.

>>2236529
>mfw the battle theme turns to the regular one after beating Arsenal's first stage
I've never played any SaGa games past the first two. Is Unlimited a good place to start?

>>2244051
Play one of the Romancing games instead. Unlimited is a love/hate it game with no middle ground.

>>2242852
Same.

There's quite a few things that keep if from being a perfect game but even with its flaws it still manages to be extremely fun to play.

>>2244051
>Is Unlimited a good place to start?
Absolutely no, Unlimited is the hardest game in the series and it will make you hate the games, try SaGa Frontier first as it's very similar in concept to the original GB trilogy.

If you can deal with Frontier move onto the Romancing trilogy bar 2 because that is a very hard and unforgiving game, Frontier 2 and MinSon on PS2 are mid tier in terms of difficulty.

Leave Unlimited for last as again, it's a very complex game and it has many things that are wildly different from the rest of the series in terms of design, it's a great game but it's not for everyone at all.

I remember Saga Frontier 1 being hard as balls when I first played it. It's really easy until it isn't. I really wanted to play it, then dropped it because I couldn't finish any stories.

A few years later I picked it up again and went to finish the game from left to right. Started with Lute who has the most bare bones story of all the characters, and this time I did it right. After that, most other stories were pretty easy though it irks me that you kind of have to build the same builds with every character to actually be able to beat the game.

>>2244992
>>It's a great game

No....just no. It's a horrible game. there is no amount of nostalgia glasses that could ever make me thing otherwise.

>>2245258
>opinions

>>2245250
>it irks me that you kind of have to build the same builds with every character to actually be able to beat the game.
That's what you think, It's completely viable to make a Gen a Science Mage with Dark Magic if you want to.
>>2245258
>Unlimited
>Not great
I played it intensively and extensively, I can safely say it has the better growth and battle system of every SaGa game ever conceived so far. The amount of depth is amazing and no other game in the series can compare.
The problem is that you have to really dedicate time and energy to the game, it's the Wizardry 4 of SaGa.

I beat the first and played some of 2. What's the best SaGa game? I want to try more.

>>2245278
All I know is that in Unlimited I tried two stories. One with the guy who had a cursed gauntlet and that was horrible. You literally have no idea what the hell you are doing.

The other one I tried was with that courier where you basically had to be very very careful of what you are doing all the time or you'll fuck your entire game up.

>>2245283
>What's the best SaGa game?
It depends on what you're looking for.

If you want crazy shit mixed together and a lot of charm SaGa Frontier is the best.
If you like experimenting with non linearity, a pseudo class system and the old school balls to the wall difficulty Romancing SaGa 2 is what you're looking for.
If you want a good story and characters Frontier 2 will give you that at the cost of non linear gameplay.
If you want classic medieval fantasy with all the charm and system of SaGa, RomaSaGa 1/Minstrel Song and RomaSaGa 3 are your best bet.
If you want literal hell difficulty and complexity, classy music and Demonbane shenanigans Unlimited: Saga is good for you.

Bear in mind that while they do share some common elements they are also very different games in concepts and ideas.
>>2245295
Kurt's story is pretty straightforward, I don't see what' so hard to understand.
Ventus is pretty easy due to having the Courier quests, it's very good if you're a perfectionist.

I don't see what your deal is honestly.

>>2245295
Should have done Judy's quest and then get cock blocked at the town night raid. I still don't know how I completed that mission. Everything after that was MUCH easier.

>>2245283
Depends who you ask. Some like Final Fantasy Legend II the most, others like one of the games from the Romancing SaGa trilogy, others like SaGa Frontier 1 or SaGa Frontier 2. Personally my favorite is Romancing SaGa: Minstrel Song due to it being a combination of many mechanics from the SaGa games over the years. Only shame is that it doesn't have many different races with varying race growth but when everything else is just so damn good I can over look that.

>>2245295
Its impossible to mess up a Ventus run since he's the only person with a reliable source of grinding.

>>2241110
Harid is only greedy because he was a consort of Fatima (Naj Princess), and was used to the lifestyle.

In RS3 aabeta, is it possible to play as the four noble devils, or is that bokuno only?

Is there a translation of the SaGa Frontier 2 book anywhere?

>>2251091

If thats the Creator, I quit.

>>2238847
I feel so bad for my human characters every time Carnage goes off. I know they know they have a very real chance of insta-death...

;_;

>>2251091
Fuck you and your shitty games
>>2251143
You mean the novel?
Nope.
>>2251326
Not really, if you up your stats a bit, I mean around 50 or so the instakill chances are pretty much nonexistent.

Thread on last page?

That just won't do, better post the threadly reminder as well.

>>2253308
Seriously, who is this?

>>2253348
Your Queen.

>>2253348
Hatsune Miku from RomSaGa2

>>2253348
Rockbouquet from Romancing SaGa 2

This pic is her cameo in Fantasy Earth Zero IIRC.

>>2253348
The best girl

OP here, I've been checking up my SaGa folders lately and I've been thinking about uploading a few albums I have, is there anything you guys would like in particular?
I have a few neat doujin albums and of course some OSTs, it's about time we got a serious download pastebin. And no, I'm not uploading in FLAC, support the artists if you want HQ stuff.

>>2239629
>Chrono Trigger

Lavos is able to mutate from the genetic material it absorbs. IIRC it has the DNA of every living creature by the time you fight it. It's likely sentient.

>>2253350
>>2254995
That isn't Sif.

Are there any high quality SaGa Frontier art book scans anywhere? I can't find good resolution official art.

>>2255604
>I can't find good resolution official art.
Your google-fu is weak son.

I'll dump some for you, though really, it's one of the first results in the image search.
The problem is finding the artbooks that Kobayashi did after the game, I saw some really neat pics on Nico and youtube but I still haven't found scans.

>>2255618

>>2255620
Now this is something some people maybe haven't seen yet, Rastaban and Ciato.

>>2255621
Charlie's angels

>>2255625
Best Genji ripoff

>>2255628
Asellus was far and away the best character in SaGa.

>>2255629
She was pretty good, the fact that she had all those different endings made her quest very fun to replay.
Still can't beat Red for me though, his quest was crazy.

>>2255631
whoops, chose the wrong image, I should really clean up my folders...

>>2255635
Pimpin' ain't easy.
If ony Fuse's quest was finished I would have loved to see these two making sly remarks at each others, it would also expand a bit Roufas' character.

>>2255631>Red
True. And Emilia's was fun for her costume changes if nothing else. But I thought Asellus had the best story, not to mention some of the best recruits. Mystics are OP as hell.

I love the Fascinataru music:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MyeIoQxSy48

Ugh. This is making me want another SaGa game like Frontier SO BAD.

Who else here has cleared all characters? I guess with emulators it's not as big of a deal, but I felt pretty accomplished considering I did it over the span of several years. It's not that easy keeping those blocks free on a PS1 memory card.

>>2255640
>But I thought Asellus had the best story
It was a very character driven story, and in that regards it's probably the better written quest in the game, it was also nice to see an explicit lesbian heroine in a mainstream game.

>That part when she gets aroused by the porno book in Shrike and is ashamed of herself

Comedy gold, like most of the characters comments.
>>2255645
I did back in the days, on my PSP files I only miss Lute, and yeah, that was a pretty big accomplishment back in the days.
A pity you can't make the legendary 40 combo in the main game though, that shit is so hype.

>>2255645
I did as well, mostly because each route had a reasonable length.

I really want a game like Frontier as well, but I love races that develop differently and I want to see that return along with no defined setting, just a mash of everything at once.

>>2255651
>I want to see that return along with no defined setting, just a mash of everything at once.

Yeah, that's awesome.
Kawazu said that SaGa 2015 will play more like a Romancing SaGa so we'll have to wait for a more Frontier like game, if he doesn't die like he said.

>>2255667
It is a shame, but as long as it has a lot of the mechanics that were introduced in later games I wouldn't mind. I liked field skills in the Romancing SaGa remake and Unlimited Saga and would like to see that incorporated more.

>>2255672
Field skills were nice, especially in Unlimited where they became a staple.

Though he said that this time there will be less focus on formations and sparking, which makes me a bit worried.
He already decided to drop standard formations since Romancing SaGa 3, I wonder if it wil be like Unlimited or other games such as Frontier 2 where Formations are predetermined and have less impact on the actual battle, but making the game less focused on sparking skills is puzzling, Unlimited already dropped it hard, I don't understand whether he's making a comparison between his latest games or classic Romancing SaGa,

>>2255640
Best story would probably go to the robot guy. Red's pretty fun too.

>>2255645
I went from left to right. I think I stopped after the story where the last boss is some kind of a plant thing. The story with that model girl where she's the main character.

Honestly, going from left to right is pretty bad for new comers because Lute has the shittiest story of all the characters.

>>2255713
>where the last boss is some kind of a plant thing
There's nothing like that in Frontier, maybe you're mistaking it for a normal boss?
Unless you mean Master Ring, but it's not really plant looking to me.

I'll never forget how pissed people were at SaGa Frontier, I'm pretty sure it was the first rpg Square localized after FF7. The reviews were merciless.

>>2255706
I'll have to give Unlimited another shot sometime. I've tried twice, though, and each time the battle system has frustrated me. I can't even pull,FF basic attacks because it's so random.

>>2255649
>legendary 40 combo
say what

>>2255732
>it's so random.
eh, most people complain about this, once you really get in the game you'll see that there's actually little left to chance.
>He doesn't know about the LEGEND
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MACWyquliyo

Prepare to get mindblown.

>>2255732
> I can't even pull,FF basic attacks because it's so random.
Well sparking skills is like the same thing. To land on the tile though it takes timing and also getting the skill panels for the skills. The higher level the skill panel the more tiles you get on the reel. Once you get in the groove you will be landing on the techs you want.

>>2255721
Probably mixed it up. The model woman's last boss....joker' I forgot. It's been years, but hers was the last story I played to the end. Started with the robot guy after that but never saw it through to the end.

>>2255740
Is that actually possible to pull off in the real game though? That's tool assisted.

>>2255849
That's the problem, he stops the game to get optimal turn counters, in theory it is feasible but in practice it is extremely hard to do, still a very interesting thing.

Here's a Japanese guy who remade a bunch of SaGa characters in Soul Calibur.

http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/sista92000/folder/1028152.html

>>2255740
THAT'S AWESOME. I have no idea what's going on with the setup, Overdrive and all that. It's been a while since I played. Watching that makes me so hyped to play that again. I loved discovering all the different techs, seeing what cool little animations they had.

>>2255871
Nice, some of those are pretty good.
>>2255891
Frontier's animations are so over the top, they're awesome, Frontier 2 was much more tame in that regard.
The best thing is that they're also quick, something that most JRPG from the time forgot, you can be flashy without being a slow piece of shit like FFIX.

>>2255506
so have you uploaded your albums? I don't have any album in particular in mind but I'd still like to try and hear them all.

>>2257719
I didn't have enough time due to work and I'm still trying to find them all as I've got them in different External HD.

I did upload 2 though.
>https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2KqG9gF5grDMm5OQlcwUmtYMms&usp=sharing
>https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2KqG9gF5grDOXRQUnJOYmNfZWs&usp=sharing

I'm sure I have the games OSTs all in one folder though I don't know about the Doujin albums as I've downloaded them rather randomly.
I'll upload them as soon as I find them.

>>2255740
holy shit that was fucking amazing!

>>2258026
>Your combination attack name will never be so long to cause the program you're in to glitch.

Any super robot show BTFO.

>>2236529

Here is the question I've always wanted answered about Frontier.

Does it take place on a planet or a series of "island" suspended in some kinda ether like the "planets" of Mongo in the Flash Gordon movie?

>>2259151
I always assumed it was on multiple planets or dimensions, unless its stated in the essence of saga frontier.
Download for that here http://biolab.warsworldnews.com/filehost/
For some reason most of the it are considered files when they're actually jpg which you can just rename them to.

>>2255904
>his face in the last panel
Guise, you know what to do.

>>2259524

>>2259524
For you

By the by. OP here found out some of the music folders I had were corrupted, I'm checking through the OSTs and will see if it's all in working order before I upload the stuff.

I also wanted to be a dick earlier but I found out all the OSTs are in FLAC anyway...

>>2259531
I caused the minions a ton of head trauma with my int lowering skills.

>>2259563
Boomp

>>2259151

The latter. To give you a general idea, you recall the beginning of TG260's path during the flashback 30000 years ago at the end of the war and when Rouge and Blue use their teleport magic? That bright light in the center is the "star" that all the regions circle. They are suspended in a cloudy like ether as you mentioned and it is absolutely dangerous to be lost in it without some kind of vessel.

bump

Hey you guys, I am making a Final Fantasy Legends II inspired RPG Maker Ace game.

I got the first world mostly done, and I was looking for feedback.

Downloads:


>Download WITH RTP (If you do not have RPG Maker Ace installed)
https://mega.co.nz/#!K9tgRSKJ!7VB03b6GugG2vteHuQe2U7rv-N6JmthJw2y0v3U1dhU

>Download WITHOUT RTP (If you already have RPG Maker Ave installed)
https://mega.co.nz/#!v9EBFbaS!at4R8dUW6B0CfMBn-OJRPupMkJzsR62fM20Ezr9O2Q0

I haven't gotten that far since I played maybe five or ten minutes but there's a few things that could use fixing:
-headmaster's speech will repeat itself if you go back inside the main room (may be on purpose)

-some walls you can walk through

-the red mushroom's only attack is the paralyze all move, which can lead to a loop of it repeatedly paralyzing everyone and the party being stuck since their turn is skipped

What are your favorite monsters?

>>2263865
it sucks you should feel bad kill you'reself

OP here, big update for the thread.
I finished checking all the stuff I had, I regret to say that I happen to have quite a few corrupted files, seems my external HD had some problems.
However, I managed to save most of the stuff I had and I uploaded it all for you guys, unfortunately I lost my Minstrel Song and Unlimited SaGa FLAC albums, I'll see if I can find them again, lost Takrockers' DECA as well and the first two Rebirth Albums by Itoken ;_;

http://pastebin.com/FqQHPVDM

On the bright side, I put all the files from the Biolab's scan of Essence of SaGa Frontier together in one convenient folder, converted them as well so you don't have to rename them all like I had to, unfortunately a few pages are either empty or have a resolution for ants, one in particular is on Fuse's short novel which made me kinda mad as I was reading bits and pieces of it while I was checking things.
All the files I uploaded work and sound flawlessly.
Anyway, if you happen to come along some good stuff you want to share with the rest of the thread, ring a bell and I'll add it to the pastebin.

By the way, Fuse's novel and the Essence book in general have some nice bits of info.
One that is particularly interesting is that Fuse is just a codename, like Doll and Silence, Fuse's full codename/Nickname is actually Crazy Fuse, there's no info on Fuse's true name, Blue however points out that Fuse is one of IRPO's top elite patrol in the novel.
Other funny things regarding him is that Fuse's personality and design was originally based on Jackie Chan, that was mentioned by Kawazu himself during a 100 Q&A session, it was answered on a particular question regarding the Shield Card quest where somebady asked why they had to pick that flower on Mosperiburg, Kawazu said that originally that quest was supposed to show a final cutscene with Fuse's Boss giving the flower to the IRPO receptionist in a comedic romance attempt.

Also, I swear to god next thread will be IRPO edition because this pic is fucking fabulous.

>>2265285
Fuck year, Cotton.

>>2265281
Thanks, Anon-kun.

FFL is one of my favorite games ever, but I've noticed SaGa games are pretty universally despised by the gaming press.

Why?

>>2265963
>An actually challenging turn based rpg
>That's free roaming and not friendly to grinding blindly

Unlimited deserves some of the flak it gets though as its a bit obtuse to say the least.

>>2265963
>gaming press
Found your problem.

Still, most pre-Minstrel Song SaGa games are pretty obtuse - depending on who you play in SaGa Frontier for example, if you're playing completely blind you can do things like stumble onto Lute's final dungeon within 5 minutes of the game starting where you'll be torn apart.

Of course, it's ironic that with the new narrative now that "linear RPGs suck, non-linear RPGs good" that SaGa doesn't finally get the recognition it deserves

>>2267016

It's Japanese. It'll always be "generic anime jrpg waifu trash" to those people.

>>2265963
>Why?
Because
>Gaming Press
>>2267016
>Of course, it's ironic that with the new narrative now that "linear RPGs suck, non-linear RPGs good" that SaGa doesn't finally get the recognition it deserves
Truth to be told SaGa as a series is only pseudo-non linear, the only true non linear games are Romancing SaGa and Romancing SaGa 2.

But yeah, it's kinda ironic that one of the series that pioneered non linearity and other weird stuff in the JRPG genre doesn't get recognition, of course it's not like other minor games like Inindo or Metal Max do either...

>>2265281
Couldn't find Rebirth II Sen but I could find the first album, http://www.mediafire.com/download/5ykl2tln1jsnn71/ReBirth+II++Romancing+SaGa+Battle+Arrange.zip

Sorry, this had to be done...

>>2267105
>generic anime jrpg waifu trash
To be fair, you guys ship the dopey pixiv animu bubble-butt pancake tits fan-art shit hard in these threads

>>2269064
>animu bubble-butt pancake tits
I'm going to need examples.

>>2267832
Nice work Anon, Downloading it now and adding it to the SaGa Folder asap.
>>2269064
>To be fair, you guys ship the dopey pixiv animu bubble-butt pancake tits fan-art shit hard in these threads
Like?
If you're referring to Rocbouquet we're not posting the really bad stuff there's on it, or would you prefer SaGa Frontier 2 yaoi spam?
And we're just joking on it most of the times anyway, otherwise we would only post the usual 3 pieces of official art she has, since she doesn't even get clones like other characters, here's an official Harid clone.

Alright, another album uploaded.

Time for funposting.

Would you a still not gay Asellus?

>>2236529

Holy shit OP I never go to this board. The one time I do I see this motherfucker. You have no idea the connection I have with these games Legends 2 and 3 were my first games ever (too poor for big systems), These games literally raised me as a child.

On a side note I enjoyed the quirkiness of these games and how outrageous they were.

Would I enjoy the first???? and if so how different are they from 2 and 3 I remember 2 being crazy dark at times and 3 being rediculous with time travel and stealth bombers. Hows 1 hold up?

>>2269745
>Would I enjoy the first????
Probably, remember that is of course a bit less refined than 2 or 3, but it does have its fair share of fun stuff, there is also a nice plot twist by the end of the game that I won't spoiler to you.

Also the link I put on this pastebin here>>2265281 has lots of goodies for you to download if you're an aficionado, check it out.

>Playing Romancing Saga 1 with Dancer
>First village sends me in a cave to save a boy
>Barely manage to save him after using all my healing items
>Get glorious reward of 50 fucking gold coins
>Second village sends me in a dungeon where the very first monster kills me

What am I doing wrong?

>>2270590
If the original RS1 is similar to Minstrel Song, those quests are easier if you have a couple more party members.

>>2270590
>What am I doing wrong?
Nothing

As one anon said in a previous thread, Rape is a form of Romance.

Have you played the best SaGa game yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwB4IBC3KJE

>>2269745

Ever year I replay SaGa 1, 2 and Frontier just because the merging of technology and magic has a good ring in these games. It would be nice to have them redo 1 on a 3d platform.

The SaGa series has more random encounters than any other JRPG series.

>>2272204
I dunno, the Shin Megami Tensei games on the SFC are pretty brutal in that regard.

>>2272204
Not random if you can see them in the overworld.

I just finished converting some ps1 saves to be able to play frontier on my phone and i here just to see any mention on saga frontier and what do you know its on the front page.

>>2272204
>random encounters
I'm not sure you know what you're talking about.
>>2272167
>just because the merging of technology and magic has a good ring in these games.

It's one of the best charms of those games.
I think it was heavily inspired by the Cyber City/Demon City/Wicked City OVA and Novels, the fusion of magic and technology, unusual casts and a sprinkle of humour.
Now, if Kawazu would do a Frontier spiritual successor with all those features pumped up it would be goat.

>>2272167
Remake the first SaGa in 3D? I guess it would be simpler than some of the other games in the series to remake.

>>2269745
That's a sweet robot. Are there larger images of it?

>>2272234
>>2273475
It's still random encounters. Touching the exact same monster on the map can lead to battles against monsters that do 1 digit damage and die in one hit or against other monsters that instant-kill your whole party at once with a single spell.

>>2273609
>It's still random encounters.
No anon, it's not.

>>2273612
Are you saying they are fixed encounters?

>>2273617
I'm saying you don't know what Random Encounter means.

Random Encounters are enemies that

1)Are not visible on the map and thus unavoidable
2)Might be rendered null by certain skills/abilities that do not rely on the player's mechanical input skills
3)Have usually no fixed number inside a dungeon

SaGa has visible enemies that move on the map and are avoidable.
Fixed encounters are enemies that have been written to appear in a certain location and/or position and/or fixed time.

And all classic JRPG encounters are "fixed" as they have only a reel that stops on a certain set of enemies, it would be extremely chaotic and stupid to do otherwise.
And that regard even most fixed non event encounters in SaGa aren't really fixed as enemies change depending on your BR.

>>2273630
That might be your definition of random encounter but for everyone else it means:

>Encounters that are random

>>2273638
>but for everyone else it means:
It means this>>2272234, unless you're new to JRPGs.

>>2273645
You don't even see the enemies themself. You see placeholders that get you in a battle with a random encounter.
It is not like Grandia where the enemies are always the same.

>>2273650
>You don't even see the enemies themself.
You see an avatar representative of what the main type of enemy appears.

You can keep cherrypicking but it's still fundamentally not a random encounter in JRPG terms.

>>2273606

IN a very odd way, King's The Dark Tower kinda reminds me of this. The tower in SaGa 1 has levels/doors that lead to other wheres and whens.

Saga frontier is the only saga game I've played and I loved it. What do you guys recommend I play from here?

>>2264921
>everyone ignores your question

So am I the only one that thought the monster mechanics in Frontier were a lot of fun? Once I found out that different forms had their own hidden equipment sets, it was like the whole game changed for me.

>>2249426
are you still there?

>>2276561
The Romancing SaGa remake. It doesn't have races that develop differently but it does have event ranks along with field skills among other things.

>>2276561
In a lot of ways SaGa Frontier was an homage to the Final Fantasy Legend (SaGa) games for Gameboy. They're a lot simpler but still fun to play.

>>2276962
yeah, I there's list of possible people to find here https://archive.moe/vr/thread/2087484/#2090195 but not where.

But fellas, who destroys the creator?

>>2277216
you can see this in post below
>Noble Devils (Zo, Snowman, Boston and Fairy, after Destroyer you will have cosplay items)

But if you want I can make a location list or something.

I'm starting this series with Romancing Saga 3. Anything I should know? I kinda want to start with a bow-user of some sort if that's at all viable.

What determines what skills Mutants learn in FFL?

>>2278310
The RNG

>>2278187
It's best to start with a Sword/Axe/Spear user as they have much more damaging Waza to get early on.

>>2277782
Yeah that'd be helpful thanks.

>>2278187
There's a blacksmith shop in Pidona that'll make new weapons while your away (time away is counted by battles). You'll need to find more blacksmiths though.

>>2276561
You should play the GB SaGa games as Frontier is a spiritual successor to those.
>>2276918
I didn't really like the fact that only a few forms where actually decent and not having the possibility to equip something when you get humanoid forms.
To answer your previous question, I think my favorite monster in the whole series is either Yami from RomaSaGa 3 or the Lesser Demons from MinSon, Ghost Ship is also a pretty nice design.
>>2277741
The player with his trusty Chainsaw.
>>2278187
Well, Sara is the canon Bow user from the mains but she's not really that good overall, Paul is the best Bow user in the game but it's not available that early in the game, you should do as>>2279280 says and begin to build a party of good single damage dealers first of all.
Bows have nice utilities Waza like Beast Hunt or Arrow Rain but they don't really shine in single damage output, Million Dollars and a few other Waza are still very good though.

How the fuck did this happen.
Throughout my entire GB run, this combo never happened.

That said, holy balls is this version so much better.
Hilariously, some of the silly shit you can do in the original on GB still applies here.
Got the Titan in pic related during Continent, just like the original.

>>2279893
I still have to play the WS port, it looks seriously good.

>>2279893
Wonderswan version?

>>2279931
Yeah.
>>2279923
I'm stunned that the resolution is only 224x144.
I mean, goddamn.
The game boy resolution is 160x144
The GBA is 240x160, but feels a bit less impressive due to its 3:2 ratio versus the 16:9 of the WSC, despite all its other graphical advantages.

I guess you could say Nintendo was stuck on being a real square.

>>2280052
The WS was a pretty good machine in some regards, a shame Nintendo still had a total hold in the handheld sector back then.
>I guess you could say Nintendo was stuck on being a real square.
Goddamnit Carlos.

Anyway, since we rarely talk about it, what are your favorite Battle Themes?

>Normal Battle Themes
Feldschlacht
Frontier's Battle 1
Romancing SaGa Battle Theme 1
Unlimited SaGa Battle Theme I
Romancing SaGa 2 Battle Theme

>Boss Battle
Battle with Kujinshi
Besessenheit
SaGa 2 At the end of the Decisive Battle
The Soul of Fire
Romancing SaGa 3 Battle 2

>Final Boss
T260G Last Battle
Romancing SaGa 2 Last Battle
Missgestalt+Todesengel
Bt Ver.8
To the Altar of Revival+Decisive Battle with Saruin

>Special Battle
Magical Tank Battle
Pet Capture Epic Battle
Passionate Rhythm
Chaos Labyrinth/Believing My Justice
Gen's Castle Battle

>>2261002

So...Flash Gordon's Mongo from the 80's movie?

>infinite uses
>kicks more ass than before
Oh holy fuck.

>>2280064
> normal battle
Lethal Strike
>Boss Battle
Four Noble Devils theme
Romancing saga battle theme 2
>Final Boss
T260G last battle
Emelia last battle
>Special
Saga Frontier Battle 5

>>2281243
I love how everyone at romhacking net, ignored that patch.
After gideon promise to work in that game, the release was ignored and instantly became mediocre ( no work was been seen from gideon) 4 years later no work on that game and no word from gideon.

>>2281243
>Infinite uses on Excalibur

What the fuck where they thinking?

>>2281393
Maybe the scene shouldn't have the sort of "dibs on this" attitude.

>>2281516
But competition on creative projects will just flood the scene and produce confusion!

>>2279320
I will skip original RS3 characters, they have same locations

Professor: her place, after you beat Nachtzweiger
Clemens: Pidona Castle, talk to Ludwig with Muse in party
Ludwig: HARRID only. Talk to him while you have Clemens in party (probably can be abused with Main hero changer)
Gon: Have Muse in party
Volcano: his place
Fatima: talk to Ludwig while Harrid is in party (Impossible if Harrid is MC)
Nina: Have Paul in party
Johannes/Anna: After you seal 4 abyss gates

Gerald: Small town PUB, avaible after you talk with Subier
Bea: Roanne castle, avaible after defeating Byunei (not sure)
James: Pidona Castle entrance, avaible after Maximus event
Teresa: same as Bea
Aries: Roanne PUB, gave Gerald in party
Cat: after Cat event
Georg/Sofia: Holy King temple, must have Royal Ring in invetory
Jeanne: Mungu Village, avaible after her event
Juubei: Xuan PUB, avaible after Wagnas event
Coppelia: Professor place, should appear after you talk with professor (with full party?)

>>2281708
Natalie: Great Arch, avaible after Subier Event
Minerva: Roanne Research Center
Liza: same as James
Emerald: Rashkuta PUB, Gerald must be in party
Hector: Appears during Pidona Attack

Albert: Yusterm PUB
Jamil: First location is Devil King temple, then he moves to weapon shop
Grey: Librof PUB
Hawk: Farce PUB, appears during Gekko event
Aisha: Zweig PUB
Sif: First location is Ice Lake, then she moves to Yusterm PUB
Claudia: Willminton PUB, during Moonstone event
Barbara: appears during Lance-Farce event
Diana: Stanley weapon shop, avaible after her event
Neidhart: appears during Shinon PUB event, then moves to Willminton Port
Frielei: Rashkuta PUB after you get Obsidian Sword and talk to her
Flarma: Rashkuta, avaible after Wagnas event
Galahad: Kidlant Inn after you give him Ice Sword
Miriam: Moses PUB
Silver: Great Arch after her event
Sheryl: Shinon PUB after you clear Last Trial event
Poet: PUBs
Guella Ha: Vanguard pub, after Gekko event

>>2281719
Darque: Farce, available only on NG+
Aldora: Stanley, after you talk with Death and your Greed Points are very low
Gian: Zweig Port

Sieg: Great Arch inn, first found injured, recovers later and joins your party
Liz: City of Kings
Colonel: appears many times, you recruit him first in Saruin dungeon, then he moves to Sand Ruins
Kai: Shinon PUB, after you get Magic Magi
Gal: Pidona
Haniwa: Great Plains, permanently available after you give him back his Seven Branched Sword
Milfy: Podol

Emelia: Devil King temple, then Gradius Hideout, Cathedral after final event
Asellus: Leonid castle
Blue/Rouge: City of Kings
Red: Librof PUB
Lute: Xuan PUB
Gen: Xuan PUB, available after you start Runes/Cards event
White Rose: Leonid castle, after Asellus event
Rei: Xuan, after you beat Orlogue
Lion: same as Rei hime, need Asellus in party
Mesartim: Great Plains, need Asellus in party
Fuse: appears during Shield Card event in Roanne castle prison

>>2281730
Zozma: Hidden in Stanley, appears after you beat Golden lion
Coon: SF2 Islands
T260: Willminton
Nusakan: old Pidona, after dream devil event
Annie and Lisa: Gradius hideout

Gustave: appears during Pidona PUB event, then moves to Mules weapon shop
Kelvin: Pidona, needs Gustave in party
Leslie: Willminton weapon shop, needs Gustave in party
Cielmer: Xuan Shop
Will: Yarmouth PUB
Cordelia: Mules PUB
Labelle: Vanguard PUB
Rich: Westia PUB, appears around Misty event
Diana: Willminton
Ginny: Stanley PUB after her event
Primeria: Librof Port, after Ginny event
Roberto: Moses INN, appears after Ginny event
Gustaf: Tifarl PUB
Mythia: Librof PUB
Narcisse: Westia PUB, after tree of life event
Tylor: Yusterm weapon shop
Johan: West Forest, then moves to Mules weapon shop, you need Gustave after he gets his sword in party

Kurt: appears during Pidona PUB event
Judy: Pidona
Vent: Tifarl after Dragonheart goes missing
Laura: Willminton port
Michel: Zweig port
Armic: Gekko village

>>2281746
Ruby: Roanne
Sapphire: Small village, needs Ruby in party
Mythe: Tifarl
Faedalien: Tifarl
Iskandar: Zweig PUB, after you seal 4 abyss gates
Edel: Kidlant, after Gauntlet Battle event

Cosplays are already mentioned in archive post, unless you want the item locations for those cosplays.

In RS3 are there hidden stats besides weapon rank and the character's listed attributes that determine how good they are with a weapon?

I picked the character with the highest Dex, went "Merchant" for another +4 and then picked Epee. She'll then naturally improve Epee when I battle. That's all there is to it, right?

>>2282076
The only hidden stat that is used to say who's good with which weapon is the innate Waza Spark Table, but since it's much more flexible than it was in the previous two games you just need to know who's generally good with a certain weapon.
Of course there are still a few characters that are considered the best in certain fields, Harid is the best with Swords, Katarina/The Young Boy are the best with Great Swords followed by Wood, Robin/Fat Robin are the best with Rapiers and so on.

>>2282101
>and so on
Is there a complete list? This is very non-obvious stuff.

>>2282112
Look at the Faq links I put in the OP pastebin.

So when I was a child I owned one of the FF Legends games and now I've decided to check out the SaGa series proper (knowing what it is).

I've started on the DS remake of the second after trying the Wonderswan remake of the first and I am loving it. I'm thinking after completing the second of going on to the third. Should I expect any core changes? Is there a better route to take in playing them?

>>2281539
>>2281516
That crap attitude is why I left romhacking net
-Small guy release a complete project,
-oh its ok, i guess, but it haves problems here and here, oh btw add a VWF 8x8.
-Big guy aka gideon, dark savior, kakashi, fitzroy, pennywise, Nightcrawler announce something (keep in mind that is just announce not a complete patch or project)
-ZOMG is awesome i{ts going to be better than random guy x , because, you know even if they didnt show shit they announce it.
-10, 12 years later no work on nothing and only a few pics here and there, people still ignore the complete patch of the same project, and say:
-Oh im sure its going to be worth the wait, im expecting this.
Example Tales of phantasia by abzolute zero and tales of phantasiA by phantasian productions.
To this day and age, I dont know why throughhim, have to wait for releasing his patch, after about 1 years he reworked on his projects and end up the relation with cless from phantasian productions.

>>2281124

Exactly.

>>2281243

Nuclear Bomb...ah, the glory.

Floor 16 is the greatest thing of SaGa.

>>2282152
>Should I expect any core changes?

SaGa 3 goes back to the FF roots a bit for some things, that is why it's the least favorite GB SaGa, it's not bad but it lacks most crazy stuff the old games had.
Do play it though, there's fun to be had anyway as it's a nice game.

The Romancing SaGa trilogy elaborates on the GB SaGa titles by expanding lives into LPs, more focus on Waza and Magic and adding multiple main characters with the exception of 2, it also changes the scenario to a more traditional medieval fantasy setting though both RomaSaGa 2 and 3 have slight technology elements like Coppelia, the Nachtzweiger or Vanguard.
In that trilogy, RomaSaGa 2 is kind of an oddball as it doesn't have multiple main characters you can choose at the beginning of the game but rather generations of characters you choose throughout the game, it also has a deceivingly simple pseudo job system which is very fun to explore and tinkle with, great characters, the best non linearity in the series and great graphics and music as well.

SaGa Frontier is a love letter to the GB SaGa, races are back, as well as guns and Demons and Sci-fi settings, but it still retains most innovations introduced with the Romancing SaGa series, it is one of the most beloved titles in the franchises mainly due to the incredible charm of characters, stories, setting and music, not to mention the flashy but quick gameplay and all the exploits, even though it's the most unfinished and really easy SaGa game it has a lot of popularity, that alone should give you a good reason to play it.

>>2283234
>Continues

SaGa Frontier 2 is another oddball in the franchise as it drops nonlinearity in favor of a deeper story, it introduces/reintroduces breakable weapons and a few other things, it's also one of the few SaGa games that don't have a score composed by Itoken, but Hamauzu does his own thing really well and give it a very soothing and romantic soundtrack, the story and characters are great but many people complain about the lack of exploration and the fact that the game is very linear, the graphics are still amazing to this day.

Unlimited is the most hated JRPG in the world as it's extremely convoluted, criptic and balls to the walls hard, definitely leave this for last as it's either love or hate.

Minstrel Song or MinSon is a remake of RomaSaGa 1, it adds a few things and has a complete redesign of the characters, a new score and lots of new mechanics, really good game overall.

To give you an idea of the popularity of the various games, here's the poll results of this years' anniversary.

>>2251091

HEYWANNASEEMYNEWCHAINSAWANDHOCKEYMASK?!

>>2282101

Is that kid in the middle the girl who gives you a different name every time she joins (unless you're Mikhail, in which case you pretty much tell her to fuck off, 'cause apparently you're kind of a dick)?

>>2283259
Yes, she is.
>apparently you're kind of a dick
Mikahil is straight out a total dick.

why cant we get a game like these with so many characters? so hard to play the same way twice cuz maybe fat robin is better....

>>2283342
There are lots of games with many characters, Valkyrie Profile and Suikoden come to mind.
The replay value of SaGa though it's still much higher than most of those games.

Though if you're interested, there's a new SaGa inbound for the PS Vita, all the dark gods are in the staff too so there are great expectations for it.

>>2283347
But is there a game these days that offers practically new experiences and story lines like Saga Frontier did or Live-a-life?

>>2283395
I see your Kyuujinshi and raise my Seven Heroes.
>>2283401
Well, it depends on what you're looking for, SaGa and SaGa Frontier were heavily inspired by the pop culture of their times, if you saw movies like Wicked City or Cyber City you'll see a lot of elements that SaGa predated, man in suits that fight demons with flashy kung fu and big guns in a sci-fi/modern setting, magic and guns, mutants etc, they were more a product of their time.

In terms of design elements, lately there has been a surge in non linear games with multiple characters, Leggend Of Legacy for the 3DS is a tribute to SaGa and has a lot of similar mechanics and designs, but that's a bit cheating because most of the poeple who made that game are former staff of the old SaGa teams.

>>2282983
>floor 16
>not floor 20 jap version
Granted, the flare book isn't as surreal as obtaining the nuclear bomb from a dead father (which was actually more interesting in the jap version, because it all but states that the dad kills himself in sacrifice to appeal to Creator in order for his children to be protected by "God"), but man, that high-score library, combined with the Creator's jap dialogue (and also Genbu's) makes me question everything's legit existence.

>>2281483
To actually make it legendary being infinite use and not just another ammo-based "strike group" weapon or spell like the firearms and damage/ailment spells.
Pisses me off though that they STILL didn't add a party-wide heal of any kind or make elixirs and, IIRC, revives available mid-battle.

That said, Masamune is also infinite use now, but it's just about as useful as it was in the original, so it feels a bit less impressive versus Excalibur.
Really, though, it's a nice way to give your humans some sort of value end-game when everyone else is spamming flare or insta-death, and it's not that big of a jump up anyways, since, by the time you get Excalibur anyways, you can buy Arcane items/Philosopher stones anyways, so this just cuts out the need for that.

Also, it may just be my sheer dumb luck, but I got fuck tons of "stone-gaze" and "death-gaze" on my mutants in WSC, where as they're usually just have element or ailment spells in my most recent GB run.

In other news, the "new game plus" is fucking worthless, and only carries the bestiary, which only contains the monsters you've used.

>>2283234
>SaGa Frontier
>really easy

Nigger, I've beaten a gorillion Wizardry games, and yet I have yet to succeed in beating SaGa Frontier.

>>2284697
>I've beaten a gorillion Wizardry games
>and yet I have yet to succeed in beating SaGa Frontier.
Um, try a little bit harder for Frontier then.

I think unless you're using a party of like 5 Mystics or something, simply grinding your way through with 5 humans (especially gunners) will net you a win eventually, let alone high end play like creating early end-game monsters or abusing economical tricks to pimp out Mecs from the word Go

>>2284697
Are you really telling me you find Wizardry 4 less difficult than SaGa Frontier?
I don't know what to tell you Anon, Frontier is easy peasy compared to the nightmare that is Romancing SaGa 2 or Unlimited.

>>2284697
I only remember in SF1 that I had troubles until I learned some combo moves, like that five man combo or some shit that I think utilises unarmed combat and does enough damage to beat the shit out of everything in a turn or two.

>>2284697
SF1 is front loaded on challenge, but hidden in all the options of the game are all these things you can do are ways to completely trump your enemies.

Once you find one, the game becomes infinitely easier.

>>2284648

True anon...terrifyingly true.

Just look up Jackie Kaishan.

>>2285623
The bad part is those hidden things are very easy to find and exploits, even without doing the scrap trick there are really hundreds of ways to break the game early.

>>2255645
i still haven't gotten there, i think i glitched my Blue save or something. I couldn't leave an area without the game crashing I think.

I've had the game since release, but a friend of mine did get all the characters finished before me. really wish it was put on the PSN store with SF2, i mean, fucking suikoden 2 was just put on there, anything can happen.

>>2286509
There are.

Level 5 combos are fun but are made with esoteric methods that make them surprising to discover but really hard to control.

>>2286517
The problem with combos is that even if you know the chaining rules the turn reel might still fuck you over, this was even more emphasized in Unlimited where understanding who would get a turn and when is crucial as there's no combo chaining restrictions anymore, make a wrong chain and you might damage the enemy at the cost of tons of LP on your characters.

But then again, it's not like level 5 combos are really needed, you can make a Glirandly build on your humans and have every stat maxed, abusing mechs' tank builds, putting Suzaku or Mariche in all your mystics slots etc., too many ways to break the game, and there's still even more broken stuff like DSC, Tower, Overdrive...

>>2269142
SF2 yaoi?
really?
who do they ship?

>>2286557
Mainly Gustave+Kelvin or Johan

SF has it worse, Red is pretty much harassed constantly by Fuse and even Nusakan.

I don't even want to imagine all those fujo doujin that are not scanned, SaGa is very popular yaoi and bara material in Japan.

>>2286571
ugh, i like gustave and johan and now johan's death is made worse by the fact that they probably make them have yaoi time beforehand.

i don't want to think about anymore yaoi stuff for SF1, it's probably one of my fav RPG's and that is just ruining my mind next time i play it. at least asellus can become lesbos though.

>>2286403
Fuck that dumb bitch up the ass with a rake.

>>2236568
Crystalis's final boss is just a defense system for the big world ending weapon's core.

>>2236568
METAL GEAR

>>2286571
>SaGa bara
Time to google some things... for reasons

>>2289059
Enjoy steaming hot ButcherxHawke, I guess...

Thread is dead, post Robin

I'm pleasantly surprised that this thread has lasted a month.

>>2293240
It might be the slowest thread on the board but it usually last quite a bit, if I'm not mistaken we're at the fifth thread or so.

I'm a bit worried about the RomaSaGa 3 retranslation, it's been quite some time since we had news, I'm beginning to think this will be another project on eternal hiatus.

>>2293474

Completed fan translations are the exception, not the rule, sadly. The number of those completed that are without error are even smaller.

I couldn't stand the official versions of the SaGa games; in the very first ten minutes they try to give Final Fantasy IV SNES a run for its money on shitty lackluster translation attempts.

>>2293240
It is because someone keeps bumping it.

>>2293490
>The number of those completed that are without error are even smaller.
True, I was replaying Metal Max Returns the other day and the translation is quite questionable even without all the blatant errors.

Though one of the worst offenders in that case might be Rudra no Hihou translation, that even messed up the Mantra mechanic quite a bit.
>I couldn't stand the official versions of the SaGa games
Truth to be told most of the official translations are shit, even thse who are hailed as great works such as Vagrant Story turn out to be completely different in moonrunes, actually, VS might be the best example, on one hand you have a Shakespearian prose in english, on the other hand you have a fairly plain Japanese text.
Very puzzling, but then again, even in the best case scenario you'll still lose a lot of colour and flavour text when you translate from Japanese, that's one of the languages that shows very well the limits of translation.

>>2293497

Elaborate on Rudra no Hihou. I can't get any solid info thanks to Gideon Zhi cocksucking.

>>2293836
Oh, so you don't know? I though it was common knowledge by now.

Literally copypasted from an old post on Gamefaqs.
>in japanese syllables like ka ki ku ke ko are all one character in length and the mantras are phonetic, with only 6 characters in length maximum.

in the Aeon Genesis patch the character limit is increased to 12, but you can frequently make more efficient mantras because certain strings of consonants will trigger the old mantra patterns from the japanese version, or because of things like "n" sounds taking up a single space out of the twelve slots, while in japanese "N" is considered a full syllable (JIN for example would take 2/6 slots instead of 3/12)

Interesting stuff isn't it?

>>2293847
I'm reminded of those super broken 1MP Mantra combos now.

>>2294426
Pretty much, Mantra as interesting and unique as it is was too exploitable once you got the hang of it, the patch only made it even more broken.

>>2295052

Well, to be fair having the more powerful mantra's cost a fuckload of MP was supposed to balance that out.

On the bright side, at least now I know some of the oddities I experienced with Gideon's patch aren't on my end, in all probability.

>>2297149
>was supposed to balance that out.

It was, at least until you get to 100/200 MP, after that it's rape o'clock time.
Strong enemies with elemental weaknesses get btfo by high level mantras in a matter of 3 or 4 turns, the patch makes it even more ludicrous than it actually was, that's why my favorite way to play the game was using original mantra based on how cool they sound to me.

>>2297280
I think Rudra was the only game where everything had a weakness all the way to like the very end.

Game had a really nice take on the multi scenario system and I kind of wish that there was SaGa game in a similar vein. I guess Frontier 2 counts in a way.

>>2297862
>I guess Frontier 2 counts in a way.
Frontier 2 is similar but the decisions in one scenario do not have effects on other scenarios unfortunately, it would have been pretty damn good though.

Well, maybe Kawazu will do something similar in a future SaGa games, after all he was the Director for Rudra as well, unsurprisingly.
It's a pity he's such an underrated director/designer in the west, he's pretty much the dad of FF together with Sakaguchi, it was he who introduced concepts such as elemental weaknesses in JRPG and much more.

>>2298571

I heard the director of Rudra got fired from Square, though? Ended up making the Kamen Rider series?

Surely that isn't the same guy who did SaGa?

>>2298601
>I heard the director of Rudra got fired from Square, though?
Really?
The Director and Designer is Kawazu though, no doubts on that.

>>2298609

Evidently Rudra didn't do so hot in Japan either, despite the unique premise. Rumor is Square didn't take too kindly to that and gave the guy the boot.

>>2298631
>Evidently Rudra didn't do so hot in Japan either
Apparently so, just like most games who tried to do something different.
> Rumor is Square didn't take too kindly to that and gave the guy the boot.

Never heard anything about that, but again, since it was Kawazu, and he's still in I find it hard to believe.

is there any major differences between the Wonderswan and The gameboy version of Saga other than the graphical upgrade?

>>2302593
The WSC version has a bestiary and New Game+, if I remember correctly.

Not entirely /vr/, but still mostly relevant.

Just started a file in this today. It's nice seeing one of my favorites from so many years ago done justice.

I feel like it's taking a lot longer for my esper to get any stats or new skills than it did in the original.

>>2303414
>I feel like it's taking a lot longer for my esper to get any stats or new skills than it did in the original.

The remakes have a few rebalance tweaks, some bosses gained new resistances and some abilities got nerfed.
Except the new arranged soundtrack they're pretty good.

>>2303414
Did the translation get finished? Last I played, it was kinda glitchy.

>>2303903
Glitchy how? I haven't noticed any spelling errors or save corruption. Latest version of the english patch is I think 2.11

>>2303971
The 2.11 is definitely good. I remember having a prior version that had the party chat and some other things still in JP, which is what made me look up newer revisions. 2.11 seems complete, though I'm not far in at present.

>>2303741
You're absolutely right, based on what I read. Since I posted that, I've gotten a few stat boosts on my esper, but have yet to learn any new spells. At least I know now what I have to do to get them, and some basic algorithms. All the copious amounts of useful knowledge I have for FFL2 is only partially handy for this go around, which is actually rather nice. It makes it feel like a new experience on some levels.

>>2305572
>It makes it feel like a new experience on some levels.

It does, the new changes are not half bad really, they make the game a bit more challenging and balanced than the GB version.

Fabulous edgelord bump

>>2303971

Not him but last time I played the translation patch abruptly ended at the ninja world and the team disbanded.

If the patch is 100% I'm going to get straight on this.

>>2311837
The current patch is 100%, you can play without worries.

OK, so the SaGa patch/fan translation scene always seemed to be nearly as clusterfucked as the Fire Emblem one. That being said; do all of the "classic" (SaGa+Romancing SaGa) ones have patches now? Last time I looked into this it was unbelievably difficult to get a bead on things and I think I finally came to the conclusion that certain games were simply not available in English without either playing a shitty bug-ridden patch or an inferior version of the installment in question.

>>2314257
There's no translation for RS2

>>2314258

And the classic GB SaGa's just don't hold up translation-wise. I believe at least one of their DS remakes failed to ever get a viable patch, correct?

I need to get rid of someone before new characters ask to join, right? Well I decided sherbet has to go since Robin has better stats and higher epee skill, but I turns out sherbet says NO when I try to abandon him. Her.
Anyway I really don't want to kickany other what do I do?

>>2314891
Going to Librof?

>>2314273
There are two DS games and both got translated.

>>2315085

I thought all three SaGa's got DS remakes? Am I going senile?

>>2315101
Just a little.
The first remake is on the Wonderswan.

>>2315171

And that's the one with the unsatisfactory translation patch! You're right. I remember now, at least where the SaGa's are concerned.

>>2236594
Basically Magi runs the world and if you collect them all, you'll be a super god.

People who collect Magi get powers and become gods, but not THE God. You got Gods who create their own little empires like Venus, Gods who are somewhat altruistic and want to see new Gods arise like Odin and Gods who want to become THE God, like Apollo.

>>2314257
>do all of the "classic" (SaGa+Romancing SaGa) ones have patches now?
RomaSaGa 2 is still in Jap.
>an inferior version of the installment in question.
What are you referring to?
>>2314891
Going to Librof is the only way to get her out of your party, she will automatically rejoin if you bump into her in the case you have a free slot though.

>>2320147
Who bumps my thread with fujobait?

>>2320160

which saga chick would you bone

>>2291783
translation pls

>>2320176
>GB SaGa
All the Esper chicks, humans are fine too
>RomaSaGa
If original design, Farah and Sif, if redesign, Barbara, Sif and Silver
>RomaSaGa 2
Emerald is mai waifu
>RomaSaGa 3
Katarina and Helen, Undine is fine too
>SaGaFro
Annie, Asellus
>SaGaFro 2
Eleanor, I have too much respect for the male cast to NTR
>Unlimited
Ruby, Michelle.

Special Tier goes to Last Empress and of course Jouhou-sama.

>>2320184
I'd fuck Asellus straight.

>>2320198
who wouldn't?

>>2320298
I always liked how you can choose her sexuality through picking the ending.

>>2320327
But she always ends up being a lesbian.
You can't really choose anything in that regards, she wants the pussy and there's nothing you can do about it.

>>2320446
see >>2320198

>>2320298
buddy, this is a safe for work board.

>>2320446

Where was she a lesbian, Again?

>>2322684
She gets hot and bothered when reading the Porn Mag Easter Egg in the library.

The other female MC (Emelia) just kind of snarkily comments on it like the catty lady that she is.