/vr/ - Retro Games

>>2275682

You're using an image with non-retro games in it.

You're just asking to draw the ire of the janitor with that.

>>2275687
Here we go...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ8OSXL8Pno

It's a Sony

Dell Trinitrons are the cool new thing

get it while its hot

>>2275773
Of all the retro fads I doubt CRTs will be one. Those hipsters have skinny arms.

>>2275773

Not before I get my KX-27PS1.

>>2275776

Somebody's projecting.

>>2275773

I have one of those. It was a fine CRT, but age took it from me. The picture was just too faded the last time I turned it on.

RIP.

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/ele/4914652347.html

should I?

>>2275682
>http://pastebin.com/1Ri5TS3x

You guys need to update the damn pastebin. I really wanna know the brands I can buy without going on a decades long hunt for a PVM locally or getting gouged in shipping online.

For just a cheap-o CRT I know that shit like Goldstar, stuff w/ VCRs attached, etc are shit but what are some of the OK brands if I can never find a Sony or Samsung in my area?

>>2276253
14 inch is small, I would wait for a 20 inch model myself.

>>2276265

If you can't find anything specific, there's a wealth of 20" TVs out there that were made 2003-2005ish that all look pretty much the fucking same (because they probably are) despite being sold by various brands.

I have one. It's an Insignia. But I've seen the same damn TV with slight variations in the plastic housing (not enough to change the fact that it's obviously the same damn TV) from different brands. They're good. They have metallic grey + black combo for the exterior. Flat screen. Two composite + S-Video input. Usually around $20 used.

Mine has a perfect picture. No geometry problems. No overscan problems. Just doesn't have Component inputs.

Both a bump and a question.
I have this beast of an ADMIRAL here. For sone reason the colors on it seem to be too bleedy or blurry. The sound, however is really nice. SA2's soundtrack sound glorious on it. Thinking about replacing it but I like its size to hold up the Xbox and Genesis/CD/32X. Reccomendations for a replacement?

>>2276253

14" is totally correct (I own several monitors of this size, 2 being sony tirnitrons, and one being a PVM), and the price is not bad at all. Just ask for photos of the beauty displaying something, and ask him if he knows how many hours the tube has.

>>2276291

What kind of video signal do you feed it?

>>2276291
The SA2 wasn't the best example. It's worse on my Genesis, N64, and Saturn.

>>2276295
Not really sure of the technical terms for it, but the yellow, red, and white av cables

>>2275939
It's a joke, son
>>2276291
Sure it's not your cables?

>>2276307
They looked fine on my LG flatscreen, so i'm guessing not.

>>2276306

Ok, you're feeding it composite, no wonder it's bleedy and blurry.. Does it have any other input, like S-Video or Component? I wont ask you about RGB, the fact that you said Genesis tell me that you might live in North America.

>>2276312
Yeah, i do live in NA.
But no, it just has two video inputs and a cable input.

I have this TV. It is good? Pic from Google.

>>2276316

Before asking if a TV is any good, give us:
-the brand
-the model number.
Just posting a blurry photo of a turned off set where we can't even distinguish the brand name (let alone the model) isn't going to let us help you.

>>2276280

http://memphis.craigslist.org/ele/4891002194.html

I just found this locally? Think it's decent enough? It seems to have composite on the back although wiki didn't list it as having such on the model.

>>2276319
Sorry.
Brand: RCA
Model: RBA2150

>>2276323
>http://memphis.craigslist.org/ele/4891002194.html

Hahaha. I dunno man. That's pretty small, and has no S-Video.

It does have Component, however. Toss up.

If the picture is still good, and it's what you want, it might be worth it.

I'm in love with how it looks, though.

>>2276332

I really just want something just to hook my NES/SNES up to again and maybe a PS2/1. It's either this or going back to a 42" plasma. I've actually been looking for just a small TV for my desk so I can play my older games in my room again also I don't wanna have to lug around a 20"+ TV if I move which happens every few years.

>>2276327

>RCA

This black plastic case show it's a 90s set, and RCA weren't making good set in general during this decade, so I wouldn't take it I were you.

>>2276345
Thanks

>>2276315

Well, now I don't know, cause if I advise you to get another set with better inputs,you'd also have to get new cables to use with this new set's inputs, and your TV doesn't look that bad either. I think that you might as well try to calibrate it with the MegaCD version of the 240p Test suite or a THX DVD on your Xbox, and the informations on how to calibrate a CRT properly with these patterns, and tell us back if the pcture quality improved.
Also, before doing so, WRITE EVEYTHING DOWN, every single parameters, before changing their values.

>>2276356
Mind giving me some instructions?

What are some of the latest 100% analog TVs with manual tuning released?

>>2276364

If you're using the 240p test suite (I'm not familiar with the other test patterns), then check this website:
http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php/240p_test_suite
All the instructions you need for these test patterns are in there.

Anyone list off some good models of consumer TVs, PC monitors, and professional broadcast monitors to look for? I'm finding nothing on Craigslist and am probably gonna make a wanted ad or something.

Posting my bvm, camera is shifty so this photo doesn't do it justice.

>>2276340

That makes a lot of sense. Just be prepared for how small a 14" TV is.

>>2276403
tvs: anything sony. best compromise is probably those cylindrical tubes, sometime branded as Black trinitron. Flat tubes (FD trinitron / WEGA) often have geometry troubles, some are easily fixable, some not so much.

>>2276443
Awesome

>all these professional monitors

Am I the only one who enjoys shitty CRTs with composite input?

>>2276443
Euro I guess ?

>>2276479

> Flat tubes (FD trinitron / WEGA) often have geometry troubles, some are easily fixable, some not so much.

WEGA owner here. I can attest to this. Mine has geometry issues that can't be fixed for the most part.

>>2276482
Yes. Pro monitors really aren't that expensive, you can pick up a PVM for free or a BVM for under 100 bucks.

The only reason you'd use anything else is if you didn't have a car to go and pick one up.

>>2276483
sadly yes, but I'm entertaining the idea of getting a japanese saturn.

>>2276484
I have a FD trini, colors are phenomenal but even when fiddling for hours with the service menu, it's simply not perfect. I tend to forget it if I get absorbed into the game, but then it pops back at me.

>>2276482
That's what I used to do.
>>2276485
A good one in a usable size costs hundreds of dollars to over a grand.

>>2276482
>Am I the only one who enjoys shitty CRTs with composite input?

These could be nice with older systems, unless they're chinese shitboxes instead of nice vintage sets. Anyway, being a frog, I alway experienced RGB since my younger days, so composite don't have anything nostalgic for me.

>>2276502
20 inches is more than usable. With a 20" 4:3 screen, you're looking at something as vertically big as most available widescreen monitors.

>>2276516
20" is the minimum. Something like a PVM 20l5 is going to be hundreds of dollars in good shape with the shipping.

>>2276521
You're not going to be paying shipping unless you're crazy.

>>2276526
Good luck finding one local in good shape. Not to mention if you don't live near a city.

I had very old 14" with RF as the only input but it died a few days ago.
Now I am playing on 28" Loewe calida 5772 zp. $30.

Huge differences ..

SMB3 - PAL - Composite
1/2

Should I do the RGB mod to my NES/SNES/SMS ?

Loewe calida 5772 zp.
2/2

Our friend Mario with details.

>>2276403
one brand you should avoid is philips. While image quality is actually pretty nice, there are ZERO possible adjustments (at least on more recent models), no magnets, no pots, no service menu

>>2276562
>Should I do the RGB mod to my NES/SNES/SMS ?
do you have scart on it ? If yes hell yeah you should. SMS and SNES only need the proper cable.
Nes is more tricky but it's fuck worth it.

>>2275773
>>2275943
http://icrontic.com/discussion/19549/dell-p1110-monitor-too-bright

Somewhere in this thread is your answer for the brightness problem. tl;dr They can be fixed, but it takes either reprogramming the damn thing or some light solder work. I never did fix mine.

>>2276569

Yes sir, 2 scart inputs + composite + RF + s-video.
I will check out about the RGB mod.

Also, this TV settings menu is full of options (PAL, NTSC, SECAM) v-lines and much more that I do not understand.

Is there any guide explaining good setup for consoles ?

Not sure if this is the right place to post this...but here it goes. I have a RCA CRT TV that I got from my grandmother. It is a RCA 20v500t. The TV has a small overscan problem. For example, I was playing Ridge Racer for the PS1. I noticed the "Time" at the top was cut off a bit than it should regularly be.

Is there any way I can fix this overscan problem? Btw, there is no aspect ratio button on my TV's menu or remote anywhere.

>pic related, it's the tv

>>2276403
I can attest that later JVC flatscreens are good.

>>2276403
Just google.

Pretty much Sony, Panasonic, Mitsubishi, NEC > everything else.

>>2276601
If it has a digital service menu, look there. Otherwise, pop it open and look for adjustment knobs.

>>2276552

Beautiful.

>1w logitech speakers

Ehhhhh.

just bought 3 pvms for 120 dollars local pickup 2 14m2u's and a 1341 now ill have 4 pvms and 3 14m2u

>>2276265
>You guys need to update the damn pastebin
Sorry. I really need to stop dragging my feet so much on that; I've got some things that I want to add, but getting in the right mindset to sit down and write it in a way that I don't hate is the problem.
Need to skim through a few threads back, there was some stuff I wanted to add.

>>2276265
>just to hook my NES/SNES up to again and maybe a PS2/1.
Composite would look pretty decent on the TV for the former two, and that component input would be perfect for a PS2. If you ever wanted to look into getting a transcoder, you could also use that component input for transcoded RGB.

>>2276443
CRT photography is hard. For every good photo, you've got 5 that are so-so and 3 that just came out terrible.

>>2276482
I like playing on my GX from time to time, which is by no means perfect and composite at best. Sometimes you just don't care about having the crispest image possible and just want to blast through a few races of F-Zero with the music blasting.
Once I get a damn controller for it, I'd like to have an NES hooked up to it permanently.

>>2276308
Not the best way to tell, if by flatscreen you meant flat panel. The upscaler in most LCDs will produce pretty much the same awful picture when you feed it RF as it will when you feed it 480p composite.

That did look like a TV issue though...

I'm looking for information from anyone who knows about some older Sony PVM & PVM-like models. Specifically the PVM-2730QM and the KX27HG1.

They're 420 and 450 line presentation monitors, respectively, with no OSDs, in the same metal frames as the slightly later 2950QM. If the tubes are ok, are they better than consumer sets in terms of picture quality and colours, and should they display a crisper picture with clearer scanlines, etc? Is there any other advantage to them besides a likely superior build quality?


>>2276623
>now ill have 4 pvms and 3 14m2u
Those are all PVMs though. Did you leave something out of that sentence?

>>2276473

It's really honestly perfect for what I needed which is just something for the corner of the room so I can lay on my bed and play NES/SNES games.

I've got it on top of a 6 cube storage unit (laid out horizontal) with the systems setup to the side of the system and in the cubbies. TV is in fantastic condition.

>>2277121

Took this earlier after taking it for a test run.

>>2277121
That's going to be very small. You're going to be like 5+ feet from it laying down.

>>2277126

We'll that's perfect since it's in my bedroom next to my bed.

Really the size does not bother me. I was looking for a sub 20" screen to begin with.

>>2277145
Well it's your set up. That's not for me.

>>2277125

Mite be cool.

Would be nice to see how the whole screen looks.

>>2276819
i already have one 14m2u now

>>2275773
I bought a M992 (step down from the P1100), it covers 97% of the sRGB gamut and has a really low black level and great contrast
Only problem it's that it can't do superwide resolutions correctly for dem 240p, and the AR coating it's scratched to hell and back, also it haves some weird problem with some kinda bands that are brighter than the rest of the screen, still none of that is really noticeable under most use cases

>>2276291
The brightness could be too high
Otherwise gun is out of focus, not an easy fix and not worth it

>>2277165

>>2276303
thank u hungry skelly

my setup is the best setup ever everyone elses setup is for babies and doesn't compensate for cool factor like the retro game man only poor people say they don't have room for a CRT because they are big children i am the retro game man i just beat earthbound i am grat and retro you are all jealous of my $20 bose speakers h4h4ah4h4ah4ahah4ah4a

>>2277447
also sory for the blur i was bing bingin like mario ha ha get it waaaa hooooo baby!!! so retro!

My CRT was making a fluctuating high pitched noise instead of the normal fixed noise that doesn't change. Is it fucked?

>>2277484
Ugh. Sorry about the stupid sentence. I changed the wording and forgot to delete some of the words that didn't belong anymore.

Any tips for hitting a good contrast setting on my CRT? Pretty sure I got brightness down to a good sweet spot, but I'm not so sure on contrast.

Best materials to clean a PVM screen? don't wanna fuck my baby up

I was thinking of buying a 17 CRT LG Studioworks 700s for my win98 machine.
Is it good enough ?

>>2277559
glass/plastic cleaner? Windex should be fine.

>>2277569

Scratch that, the seller was asking for shady payments.
I found out a Samsung SyncMaster 793S - CRT monitor - 17 for cheap.

>>2277597
Should be nice as long as it's in good condition. Samsung's PC CRTs were apparently quite good, excellent even. For some reason, however, their TVs were nowhere near as good.

What do you guys think of Gateway? Is it any good? It was $10.

Best picture I have...

>>2277603

Outside of the use i will do for my win98 machine, is a pc monitor decent for some emulation too ?
I will probably use it for my dreamcast too.

any idea how you can use the digital rgb connectors?

>>2277660
The only consumer-level devices I know of that use it are CGA and EGA video cards for ancient PCs from like 30 years ago.

Is it possible to get a 70Hz 200p signal from a PC without line doubling?

>>2277637
In my opinion, PC monitors are GOAT for emulation.

Believe it or not, this is from my PC CRT.

>>2277712
I doubt any monitor could drive that. Best you could do is just insert scanlines after the fact.

I just bought a PVM for $20 but its 6 inch. Did I fuck up?

>>2277807
Holy fuck, yes. 9 inches is the absolute minimum if you have a tiny matchbox room. 14 is for people with cramped conditions, and 20 is the minimum for anyone with any space.

>>2277630

EV700s are bog fucking standard Gateway CRTs. Given the case design it's probably around 15 years old at least. I wouldn't run it over 1024x768 if a 60Hz refresh rate bugs you.

If I live in Euro land, are PVMs actually worth it? Lots of TVs came with RGB SCART as standard, after all.

>>2277812
>14 is for people with cramped conditions

What's with all the "14" is too small" speech recently?
14" is a perfectly acceptable monitor size, even when you have enough space for bigger ones. Sure, having a 20" or higher moniitor is nice and all, but a 14" one is still good enough.

>>2277834

Yes, even consumer TVs have RGB inputs and all, but PVMs still have a better tube and components.

Which is better? A 20L2, or a 20M2E?

>>2277718
Who says he's using a PC monitor?

>>2277712
Yes it can be done. Most easily with crt-emudriver for ati, or soft15kHz for Nvidia. A little reading up on both will be required, as their use is not always straightforward.

>>2277839
Everything else being equal, the 20L2, if only because it's newer. Both will take the same inputs, both are 15kHz, both are 600TVL resolution, and both probably take 110-240V input.

>>2277853
I wasn't aware a non-PC CRT could display at 70Hz.

>>2277836
>Yes, even consumer TVs have RGB inputs and all, but PVMs still have a better tube and components.


But what if he buy an high level euro CRT ?

>>2277878

Good luck finding such models. Most of the time, professional video hardware quality (both picture and build) is just above anything available in the consumer market, high end consumer sets included. There are exceptions, like these profeel monitors that are professional video monitors repackaged for rich audio-video enthusiasts.

>>2275682
I love Silver Star Story!!!

>>2277856
L2 also has a much better OSD.

They are very similar models otherwise.

>>2277812
>>2277836

13/14" models are pretty much the standard size for professional CRTs in my opinion. 19/20" feels a bit higher end, but both 13/14 and 19/20 have the highest line counts and I suspect absolute picture quality. All of the 8/9" sets I've seen are 450 line at best. >20" sets are just hard to find unless you pay out the ass for them. It feels like you trade off a bit of picture quality for size on most of those sets, but I imagine it's worth having something big enough that you can see from the couch.

I need to get a 14", moving around 20" sets is a fucking pain.

Anyone know the TVL resolution of a PVM2044Q or PVM-2042Q?


>>2277864
Oops. You are correct. What refresh rate are most PVMs capable of? Only about 60Hz?

What is my best bet for light gun games? I've got a 14" that's crappy for them, is 20" enough? Or am I better off going for a commercial 25"+?

>>2278003
20" is the minimum for anything imo.
I really don't know how anyone plays on something smaller and enjoys it.

>>2278075

>I really don't know how anyone plays on something smaller and enjoys it.

The viewing distances aren't the same at all: when using my 14" sets, I'm usually placed at a distance between 63cm (when using my Amiga or Amstrad CPC) and 1m15 (when playing on my Sony TV).. At such distances, 14" sets are perfectly acceptable.

>>2278075

Like the other anon, i play relatively near the TV.

>>2278101
I grew up in the 90s when sub 20" TVs were still normal. I'd never went to use something that small in modern times.

>>2276552
Speakers are shit, and even if they were paradigms I'd recommend they stay away from any nice crt you have, unless you like bad convergence.

Model 1 Gennny + Model 2 Sega CD on composite.
The TV has RGB but the most I've given my retro systems is S-Video. Still looking damn fine, tho

anyone have experience with those RGB-to-Component converter boxes? They're like 50 bucks and I'm considering taking the plunge and getting the best possible output. I already have s-video for what I can, but the genesis is my favorite system and its composite output is fucking trash and the only other step up is RGB scart.

>>2278173
Anything under $100 is a clone. As long as you're fine with adjusting pots it should be fine.

>>2278174
Is that a once-and-done adjustment or does it need to be recalibrated for every system?

>>2277898
The thing is, here in euroland we don't really have much of a supply of PVM's available. Personally, I haven't found it to be much of an issue, since I have a perfectly good 21'' Trinitron that suits my needs. At least we have easier access to SCART RGB, if not PVM/BVM's.

>>2278176
Depends. Should be once done. The problems I've read are with the colors.

Never really used one. I only know about them from researching how I wanted to display my consoles last year.
Don't forget you'll need a scart breakout for the audio.

>>2278178
>The thing is, here in euroland we don't really have much of a supply of PVM's available.

Well I'm french m8, and I can definitely say that PVMs aren't that hard to find here. But I understand that in other yuro countries it's another matter. Anyway, it's sure that as long as the set is from a good manufacturer and has an RGB SCART input, it will have a nice picture.

>>2278195
I'm from Scandinavia and I have never even seen them anywhere or wouldn't know where to start looking. It might be just me, though. I wonder if French/german/dutch eBay would have them?

>>2278185
I actually wouldn't need one for the genesis since I can pull audio from the headphone jack. but yeah, if I were to get the transcoder I'd probably want to use it for my saturn and snes as well, which would require it. It's pretty frustrating that the RGB-component devices don't just have a goddamn audio passthrough themselves

>>2278206
It's a niche market. Now's the time to be buying these kinds of transcoder. Everything is going out. The scart to component transcoders should be fine for awhile though.

>>2278195
dood, paris =/= france. I'm fucking struggling to find one that isn't 600kms away (and that doesn't cost 200~€ for a 9 incher...)

>>2278284

I don't even live in Paris m8. Sure, most of them are concentrated in main region, but there are still nice sets that appear everywhere. A few month a go there was a few KX14 sets in Bretagne (roughtly a PVM repurposed as an MSX2 HB-F500 computer monitor), there was a few PVMs in PACA, and right now there's a PVM-2130 QM in Caen, there's a 14" PVM in Ancenis, a cheap but old one in Armbout-Capelle, and so on.
Also, going to Paris in order to get one of these isn't that hard, especially if you have a car.

>>2278195
>>2278284
>>2278315
Aren't PVMs 480i?

>>2278321

Most are 240p/480i monitors, just like almost every CRT TVs out there.

>>2278325
That's what I thought. Why would a Euro want one then?

I see a local listing for a KV-36HS20 w/ free stand. Does anyone know of this thing can properly display true 240p over component and is compatible with light guns?

>>2278315
>12 hours of car for round trip
>+gas
>+autobahn fee
Unless it's free, it's not worth it mate

>>2278328
better image quality, geometry adjustments

>>2278328

Why wouldn't we want one? Most are mutli-standard PAL NTSC SECAM too, so no need to worry about from which region your system come from.

>>2278329
>KV-36HS20
>HS
Hi-Scan model. Good for 480p and 1080i, but not for retro.

>>2278331
>>2278332

>better image quality, geometry adjustments
With 576i? I thought that wouldn't be as nice as 480i.
>>2278329
No CRT displays "true 240p".
HD CRTs like that aren't that great for 240p games. And since it's widescreen you'll either stretch the image or need black bars.

>>2278349

M8 you're taking it literally, when I said 240p/480i, I didn't meant literally 240p and 480i, but just the standard SD TV horizontal line count in progressive and interlaced mode. As I said right after, most of the time they're multi-standard, so they can do 50 and 60 Hz RGB, and are PAL and NTSC compatible when it comes to composite and S-Video, so they're both 240p/480i and 288p/576i capable..

>>2278371
Supported doesn't mean it's good. Not sure you're the guy talking about the PVMs in EU or the guy with the HD CRT?

240p on HD CRT sorta looks like a Plasma. Also end up with lag.

>>2278374

No, I'm the guy talking about PVMs. And yes, it does look good, I own one (1444QM)

>>2278379
Hmm. Well if you say so. I've got no interest in PAL anything so means nothing to me.

>>2278345
>>2278349
ffffuck. Better keep looking then.

Have I committed blasphemy?

>>2278813
>mfw my eyes can see a clearly defined arm even through the bigass gaps

Fucking magic

Gentlemen pls !

the ones that were saying that in Europe there were only shit CRT made are wrong

I got pic related a electron 22 blue (for FREE) a PROFESSIONAL grade monitor with precision coloring and its a new old stock on top of it !

Haven't even gotten the opportunity to try it out,ever since I got it,I haven't touched it cause am too busy with school right now but gonna finish quick and then do some comparison with a ips,also
never used a CRT in life,only when I was like 5 and don't quiet remember ...

>if its not a appartere grill don't bother getting the CRT ...

>>2278984
Europe doesn't make TVs, at least good ones. It's probably some re branded monitor.
You haven't even used it...

>>2278993

that's because I am just too busy with school at this moment,but definitely gonna update here once I fire it up ...

>>2278997
Also isn't that a progressive CRT?

how do I convert or how to I need to buy to use my old CRT PC monitor to play games?

>>2279006
Depends on the monitor and what signal you're using.

>>2278984
>>if its not a appartere grill don't bother getting the CRT ...

NEC would like to have a word with you.

>>2279003
>a progressive CRT
as in a PC monitor...?

Is there an easy way to tell the difference between HD and non HD Trinitrons?

>>2279408
HD Trinitrons should be badged as so on the front. The presence of HDMI or DVI ports indicates HD, as well as HD resolutions listed above the YPbPr ports.

>>2278993
>he doesn't know about Bang und Olufsen

So a seller in my city acquired a bunch of PVMs and BVMs from a broadcaster and is selling them off. I know nothing about CRTs, and they are already being sold off like hotcakes.

Assuming I'm not an incompetent mouth-breather who can read a manual and study up on what I need to know later, could /crt/ help me figure out which of these models is the best 14" and 20" available?

Sony BVM-1415P
Sony BVM-2010P
Sony BVM-2015P
Sony BVM-2016P
Sony BVM-D14H5A

Sony PVM-1444QM
Sony PVM-14L1
Sony PVM-14M2A
Sony PVM-14M4A
Sony PVM-2044QM
Sony PVM-2054QM
Sony PVM-20M4A
Sony PVM-D14L5A

Also this might be a stretch, but the seller is asking for offers to be made for each model. I'm willing to pay a lot for the best quality image possible, but any guidance regarding that would also be most appreciated.

>>2279408
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FD_Trinitron/WEGA

>>2279571
The 14M4 and 20M4 are going to have the best picture quality assuming they are in good condition. I'm not sure about D14L5, but if it's a PVM L5 with fancy buttons on the side of the screen then it's a HD capable model and worth a fuckton.

The 14L1 would make a good non RGB set to keep around 'just in case' if you can pick it up for dirt cheap (<20$).

I'd wait for someone to chime in about the BVM models. All I know is they are slightly older, but they might be really good.

>>2278993

Telefunken was plenty good.
Philips, mivar etc.

The fact is that this is an american website, most people talking about TVs are americans and the only crt they know are the ones that have been sold in america.
A good mivar tv with RGB scart, gives you an incredible picture quality.

>>2279590
Thanks so much, obviously price is a variable thing here, but if I were to ask you the median price that the 14M4 and 20M4 go for would you be able to give me a figure?

I'll enquire about the D14L5 and ask for some pictures, if he sends me some I'll post them here!

>>2279595

Grundig, Metz and Bang & Olufsen too.

>>2279615
100 would be a good price but I always like to aim closer to 50. The key is set condition though, if possible you should bring a wii with 240p suite and run a test grid on them. You want to look for good convergence and geometry as well as overall brightness and white accuracy. Older sets are going to be a bit more 'orangey' or 'warm', though this can be offset by using a 'cooler' or 'bluer' setting in the OSD. You'll want to go into the settings and see how it looks with the 'D65' and 'D93' color settings and make sure at least D93 looks neutral. You can get a bit more blue out of a custom 'USER' setting, but obviously at that point the blue phosphors are getting worn out.

In a pinch you can bring a laptop with s video output and use that to get geometry and convergence, as I actually find desktop windows bring out any geometry issues very easily. I'd only pay 100$ for a set I knew was in good condition, minimal testing or no testing should be much less. You might try offering him 100-200$ for 4-6 sets and see what he says. The M4s are very good sets and the M2 isn't shabby either. If it were me and I had some money to burn I'd offer 250 for the lot and go from there.

>>2279571

From the ABC auctions? Can i ask where these are advertised? I might be interested...

The size of the set is the first two numbers - thus a BVM-D14H5A is a 14" set.

BVMs are the top of the line, but they can be *too* sharp, if that's an issue for you. Most ppl like them. I was blown away by my 800TVL 14M4A. Also, BVMs tend not to have s-video, and you want to make sure they take RGB and/or YUV/component if that's what you're looking to use.

>Sony BVM-1415P
>Sony BVM-2010P
>Sony BVM-2015P
>Sony BVM-2016P

Of the above, the last is probably the nicest, assuming the tubes are all in good condition. Not really much in it though. Check to see what inputs they have.

>Sony BVM-D14H5A
>Sony PVM-D14L5A

Multiformat sets. They will do a sync range up to 720P. will also do 240P, 480i and 480P, so they handle just about anything well. Very nice if you're wanting to use Wii and NTSC GameCube (via softmodded Wii, perhaps). The PVM-D14L5A will take svideo, RGB, component and composite. Check the BVM's inputs before buying. Best all round sets, and 14" is nice on the desktop but not so great from the couch.

>Sony PVM-1444QM
>Sony PVM-2054QM

Good older SDTV sets, 600TVL tubes (lower than the multiformat sets above, probably the same as the top list of BVMs tho) i *think* they take component but they will do RGB, s-video, composite. Think of these as super-high quality "normal" TV sets.

>Sony PVM-14M4A
>Sony PVM-20M4A

Great middle-aged SDTV sets, 800TVL tubes, will do component, RGB, s-Video, composite 240P/480i.

>>2279718
>>2279615

I also have my own opinions about the pricing of these things, but i'm going to hold off until i know you're not the seller ;)

I bought an RGB cable for my SNES, with csync.

Is it possible for me to use the same cable on my still unmodded N64?

My N64 is a brazilian PAL-M machine(which means it's just a NTSC model with a factory mod to output PAL colors).

>>2279829
N64 has to be modded for RGB.

I got an old CRT TV from my boss. Thing is, image displays with a thin horizontal line at the middle. The lower part of the image displays correctly, while the upper part is all messed up.

From what I've googled, it's a lost cause and they tell you to throw it away. So what parts of the TV can I rescue before into the trash it goes?

>>2279834
Yes, of course. I am asking if it's possible for N64 to output csync, and if my particular non-standard NTSC model would have problems with it.

I purchased a Super Famicom on eBay today, and I'm going to pick up a small 9" PVM later this week.

Just wondering what kind of SCART cable I need for this. I believe the type is EuroSCART, but I'm unsure of what sync type - either Composite video + Sync or CSYNC. Any ideas?

>>2279856
Csync has the best compatibility for SNES. Should be the same for the SMC.

>>2279718
>>2279725
Yeah, I believe they are ex-ABC sets! Sounds like the very same ones. Thanks for your post.

A friend of mine purchased a PVM-9045QM from an eBay seller a while back, who recently did a mass email to everyone who purchased sets from him in the past. All the ones I just listed to you are going to be available for sale in various quantities.

I've offered $120 for a PVM-20M4A already to him, so it's a bit hard for me to go back on that. I felt that was a bit low, but who knows, my friend bought his PVM-9045QM from this guy for about $20.

>>2279725
Oh, and if you wanted to include your email in your next post I would be more than happy to forward on the email to you!

>>2279841
Of the four revisions of the N64 that are easy to mod for RGB, all of them can technically output c-sync. The last of them however, needs more work than the others. If it's a modified NTSC-U model and capable of the easy RGB mod, it would have to either be NUS-CPU-03 or 04.
03 would be easy and simple; 04 still has the traces, but the components for buffering it were removed.

>>2279863
Is there a way I can tell without opening it?

>>2279862
You're welcome. The 20M4A would be an amazing set. Those 20" sets normally go for $300 on open ebay auctions, just so you know.

Unf this is not a good place post one's email... can you give me the name of the ebay seller/store? Or post a link to something by the same seller?

>>2279865
If it uses the same serial number line as USA models, you can get a good idea of what is inside, but if they changed it you're pretty much forced to open it up to find out.

>>2279725
Sellers just look on ebay and see shit going for 200-500$ and think that theirs is worth that too, which isn't the case.

>>2279860
>120$
Absolute max I would pay if it was in perfect condition. Ebay CRTs are always super overpriced.

But assuming it's in good condition, it will look brilliant.

>>2279860
>mass email to everyone who purchased sets from him in the past
Yep, I'm the dude whose room-mate spilled water on their BVM and just received the same message.
Placed an offer on 2x 20" units, so lets see what happens. Hopefully it doesn't break the bank because I really do need a replacement.

How do I repair a CRT without killing myself?

>>2280304
Use two really long wooden poles as chopsticks when working on it.

>>2280304

Discharging it and disconnecting the driver board from the tube's neck, and discharging the power supply too.

>>2280316
this, and it's good practice to only use one hand.

keep the other hand in your pocket if you can't remember

>>2279897
They might be overpriced, but I'd imagine that, just like old games, the more that sell for the high prices the more that simply becomes the price. It also depends on where you live I'd imagine. Sure you can get lucky anywhere, but if you want one soon you might have to settle for an expensive one instead of hoping someone local shows up offering one cheap.

>>2280331
All the more reason to refuse to buy for higher prices.

Where the fuck do you find good CRT monitors? Everyone in a 100 mile radius threw them all away. Craigslist in my area has essentially zero, and ebay is expensive as fuck for the shipping. It was very easy to find a trinitron television but CRT monitors are another beast entirely.

>>2280978
I bought one on ebay (in late 2013 maybe?) and another from my local cl at about this time last year. I think it is just luck and perseverance. Posting wanted ads might help, but I'm not sure. You just have to be lucky and check when someone decides to sell/give away rather than throwaway and be the first one to respond. Where you live can make a difference: from what I gather many of the pro-grade monitors will come from businesses or other professional users, so if there are institutions and people like that near you you might have better chances. The other option is getting one from a gamer, but I'd imagine in those cases you might be getting either someone's headache or from someone who demands top-dollar for something in "meh" shape.

>>2280978
the good thing with PC CRTs is that there are triniclones from nec, viewsonic, mitsubishi... You're not restricted to sony.

>>2280020
Can you link me to the seller's ebay or something man?

Is SCART->YUV via converter basically the same picture as component input would be?

Been messing around with it, and it is super clean. Like, almost too clean. All the dithering is crystal clear on the Genesis.

>>2281156
YUV is basically the European equivalent for YPbPr component. Most of the SCART to YUV adapters I've seen and the one I have (CSY-2100) will work with both NTSC and PAL.

>>2279897

$ isn't a word, dude.

>>2280978
Goodwill, thrift stores, craigslist, and independent computer shops. Keep hunting and you'll find something eventually.

>>2281186

Don't forget pawn shops.

>>2280978
>>2281104
actually, almost every brand had aperture grille models at some point. You just have to check the model, and/or if it has AG branding such as diamondtron, trueflat....

this is nice crt

>>2281178
Yeah, I'm in Burgerstan. I usually use component for my consoles, but obviously the Genesis doesn't do that, and I haven't gotten into the whole modding thing yet.

>>2281228
>last blade hyper BG

I swear, that's like the Wilhelm scream of MUGEN backgrounds, at least for early 2000s characters.

>>2281116
Sorry, only just saw your message.

The guy is coordinating this sale via email so I'll give you that instead. Act fast if you want anything, because they'll probably go quick.

sales@auschoice.com

>>2281228
wew lad

>>2281426
Much appreciated. I know Auschoice. Brisbane based seller. He was selling 14M4A's for $100+ each recently. Wonder what he expects for the 20" stuff...

I'd fucking love a BVM, but I'm in Tassie and the shipping will kill me. It'll be another $200 at least :(

>>2281513
No worries.
I've settled on the two 20"s, but I live in Adelaide and am therefore expecting massive freight rape.

I'm hoping for less than $200 but outlook not good.

>>2281513
>>2281519
Other Ausfag who listed all the models last night here -- he declined my offer of $120 for the 20M4A, said he couldn't do less than $200. I've been waiting for a 20" to come along for a while now, so I'm jumping on it. $60 shipping to Canberra from Brisbane, which sucks, but to be honest I don't want to hold out any longer so whatever.

Hope you guys snag some sets for a price you are happy with, let me know how it goes.

>>2281586
>200$ sight unseen
>Still has to be shipped

Fucking pray it was in good condition and doesn't get fucked up on the truck/spider it gets shipped to you in/on.

Local guy is selling Sony KV-29FX20E in good condition for 10€, pretty good deal /vr/?

>>2281632

Here's picture.

I've got an old euro CRT, it looks fine in PAL mode with some cut off black bars at the top and bottom, but when I enter NTSC mode I wind up losing the bottom of the image.

>>2281632
Haha, you live in the same town as me. I watched that same advertisement yesterday.

I have read mixed opinions about flatscreens in general. I wonder if that one has a 100 hz panel too?

>>2281695

Think it's 50hz only. Only problem with that tv is that it weighs a ton, and I don't have a friend to lift it.

>>2281652

What are you using ?
Scart RGB ? how old is the crt ?

>>2281720
Scart, and it's about a decade old. I get full color and everything, the issue is that it seems like it's stretching the picture out. No settings I can mess with either.

>>2281632
flat screen so expect geometry troubles

>>2278168
>>2278170
>>2276303
>>2277718

I don't know how to say this without sounding like a troll. I'm honestly curious what the appeal of scanlines is. It was what I always hated about old TVs. Even though it's how they originally looked, I think games of the CRT era look far better on modern screens.

Is it a nostalgia thing, or do you genuinely prefer the look of CRTs and their scanlines?

>>2282186
It's not so much the scanlines but the fact that they help make old games not look so blocky and aliased. Our eyes and brain do some of the legwork, of course, since they give the illusion of detail and they complete the picture for us (given you're sitting a distance away, especially on bigger and sharper displays with more pronounced gaps).

Of course, if they still bother you, if you're on a PC CRT you can play without the gaps if you like, and still get the other benefits of CRT technology like superior motion, good colors and contrast, etc.

>>2282186
>do you genuinely prefer the look of CRTs and their scanlines
Yes

>I'm honestly curious what the appeal of scanlines is
You could take it as a natural form of anti aliasing; Rather than leaving everything everything continuous and blocky as you would get from an emulator(or just a good quality signal on higher res display), the slight gaps between each line of video can take a bit of the harshness off of even a very sharp CRT.

This works very well at normal/reasonable viewing distances, but the effect is lost for the most part on close up shots.
Even more so if you're dealing with a larger screen.

>>2282207
Ninja'd

>>2282186
there is more to just scanlines, though it's the most obvious. Color bleeding is another thing, it produces a subtle softening ; note that don't get this on hd crts such as pc monitors, because their phosphors are much smaller and have less decay.

>>2282207
>they help make old games not look so blocky and aliased.

Huh, interesting. I can see that. To me, I always felt like the games were supposed to look all blocky and aliased, but the TVs of the day made them look blurry and weird. To each their own though!

>>2282218
>To me, I always felt like the games were supposed to look all blocky and aliased, but the TVs of the day made them look blurry and weird.
Except this doesn't make sense. It wasn't a case of LCD monitors for development, shitty CRTs to play them on. It was CRTs across the board. They designed the games on screens like that, to be played on screens like that.

>>2282218
it depends on the signal used also. From RF to RGB, there's a lot of blurring range. RGB gets you the cleanest image while retaining the natural CRT softening, it might also expose the dithering tricks.

>>2282218
They don't look blurry if you use composite or RGB video.

>>2282218
take a look at arcade games (barring vector games). They used CRT tech, but the signal was always RGB. The image was alway clear, no composite dot crawl.

>>2282236
>composite
bad choice. Composite blurs and has crazy dot crawl. S-video should be prefered if no access to RGB.

>>2282227
Yeah, it's weird. I know they were designed to be seen on CRTs. But I still feel like they look distorted and that seeing the same games running on modern screens are so much better. I know I'm way in the minority though.

>>2282236
>>2282237
Certainly that makes a big difference, but it still looks ugly to me.

>>2282249
It was a typo and I meant to say Component. I should just start saying YPbPr and that wouldn't happen.

>>2282251
>Yeah, it's weird. I know they were designed to be seen on CRTs. But I still feel like they look distorted and that seeing the same games running on modern screens are so much better. I know I'm way in the minority though.

I like modern displays.

>>2282232
>it might also expose the dithering tricks.

Even though you see some pattern, the various colors used still blend in to some extent. If dithering's main purpose only existed with composite signals, they wouldn't have used it in arcade games.

>>2281604
He is sending me pictures before any payment is made, don't worry. Also the spiders we use for transport here are particularly efficient, much better and reliable than the tarantulas they have in say New Mexico.

>>2282285

What are some things to search for on craigslist when looking for a PVM or equivalent? Obviously PVM, BVM, maybe "broadcast equipment", anything else? Trying to expand my email alerts.

Looking to get a desktop PVM to play with, open up, possibly hurt by adjusting, over-syncing, etc. Practice for larger units. What would be more reliable, and what would have a better picture out of the Sony PVM-8045 and the Ikegami TM10-17RA?

>>2282439
Broaden it a bit. Try "sony monitor" "nec monitor" "crt" "ikegami monitor" and so on. Some might obviously give you an excess of results, but if you check daily it shouldn't be too hard to sort through the new listing to find what's relevant.

Are Panasonic Tau models considered good?

I gave my old 32~36ish inch set to my parents after I moved out years ago.

Dad called me up this week saying it's fried.

Repair guy replaced the fuse, and said that didn't fix it and that the transformer (assuming flyback transformer) needs to be replaced.

Naturally these chucklefucks are trying to charge an arm and leg to fix it. It seems like I can probably get the part on eBay for $15-$30.

Is it worth trying to fix it myself, or is it a crap tv, or a lost cause? It served me well back when I used it before.

Don't know the exact model # but I know it's a Panasonic Tau, and it looks like this pic.

>>2283276
If you have to ask you probably don't have the expertise to perform the repair.
Half ass it and you're liable to kill yourself with these things.

>>2283276
>TV repair men are trying to rip me off!
>have no background in TV repair
>don't realize most of these components aren't made anymore
>doesn't realize you can pick up a 20-40 inch TV for free-40 bucks on craigslist in almost any city

My crt would turn off instantly after turning it on while making a strange screeching sound so I opened it up and had a look, everything looks fine but I noticed that when I turn it on there's some kind of visible spark going through the tube before it turns of. What could be the cause of that? Is it totally broken?

>>2283276
It's a decent consumer TV, you can get a replacement transformer for about the price of a used trinitron. Any value the set has is personal value, not market.

But replacing the transformer shouldn't be too difficult assuming it's not on it's own circuit board. Just keep in mind it's the part that makes the 20kv or whatever that you hear about when people say CRT TVs are dangerous.

>>2283362
Sounds like the transformer is fucked.

>>2283003
Anyone with thoughts on Ikegami... at all?

>>2278329
It can't but honestly I have an HDCRT sony and snes games in progressive scan with component input on the wii look really nice on it

>>2283556
Protip: If your emulator has a scanline filter, enable it and you'll get a very convincing 240p look on an HD CRT.

>>2283318
>>2283334
They were trying to charge $200+ to repair it. Which is pretty ridiculous.

I figured I'd at least ask if it's worth trying since the parts are available online and I don't mind making a week long project out of it.

>>2283364
Thanks man, you're probably right.
Sad as I am to see it go, I think it's time. That fucker had to weigh about 250lb so I wasn't looking forward to actually moving it too much anyway.

I have a goodwill right around the corner from my new place that has a lot of CRT's so I'll just keep an eye out for something there.

Can anyone identify the pvm closest to the camera? It's a 19 incher i'm hopefully picking up later today.

>>2283570
What if the HD crt always displays 1080i?

>>2284348
Why would anyone buy a 1080i crt?

Composite on the GX(left) and S-Video from the Mitsu (right)

>>2284308
To take a guess, 1942/4q or 2042/4qm. Essentially the same monitors, just different regions.
At the very least, something from that 40 range. The black button surround and 80's Trinitron logo tip it off; Probably from around 1990 or so.

>>2284356
Did they ever even make 1080p CRTs? I'm pretty sure all the Sony HDCRTs TVs were 1080i.

>>2284370
Yes, they're called PC CRT monitors. Only some of them could actually get that high of a resolution, though.

>>2284372
Think he meant TVs.
>>2284370
Probably. I'm only aware of 720p ones though.
By the time 1080i CRTs were out 1080p LCDs and Plasmas were selling. Stupid expensive though. 720p would had been in the same range though.

>>2284372
Those aren't TVs

>>2284376
Well, yeah, they're all 720p but they just automatically upscale to 1080i. I think all of them are like that

>>2284381
I thought they actually displayed correct 720p resolution? I remember that being a big topic of debate back then when compared to a Plasma which doesn't.

>>2284308
>>2284357
Thanks man

>>2284383
A plasma doesn't display correct 720p?

>>2284410
It does 768p. I have no idea the technical reason why.

>>2284372
>>2284370
I have a beige CRT from before '03 (the previous owner's credit card expiration date is stickered on).

It will do 1800x1440 at 85hz.

31 years old and still kickin'

>>2284463
better view of the screen itself.

>>2284419
Panels only made in that size? I find that terribly unlikely.
Are you sure that wasn't just versus a specific model?

>>2284535
Plasma monitors are different. Almost all Plasma TVs are 768p.

>>2284542
To clarify. Not counting the other resolutions obviously.
Plasma TVs marketed as "720p" are actually 768p almost always.

>>2284357
>>2284308
Not the QLD'r, but any idea what the TVL resolution is on those models?

>>2283383
And c'mon Kya, you must have an opinion about Ikegami... :)

>>2283870
If you do decide to fix it, for god's sake learn to discharge. Seriously, don't fuck around in there unless you know what can hurt you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX43sT0hMJk

>>2284608
Oh, Ikegami? They're god-tier, they're right up there next to Sony. I'd love to own an Ikegami.

>>2284608
42 and 44 use 600tvl tubes. 40 apparently uses lower tier tubes, so I'm not sure about it.
It should be noted the 44 will take YPbPr where the 42 will not; In turn, it has a Digital RGB input that could possibly be used for old computers over CGA/EGA.

Ikegami's shadowmask based professional equipment has a very good reputation. Those two sets seem pretty well comparable.
Same general inputs accepted(Ikegami accepts some industry digital standards, but these aren't really something you're likely to use).
Approx same TVL

Ikegami might be ever so slightly larger, but that may be canceled out by the barrel shape of the Sony's tube.
Finding information/parts or what have you for the 804* series would likely be simpler than the TM10-17RA.

In the same respect, the Sony could very well end up being more complicated inside, with more boards and the like; That could be a pro though, considering your plans.

So, I'm considering looking for one of these or something similar. I want to use it primarily for retro gaming but also for some modern games (Wii U specifically). I'm particularly unfamiliar with this kinda stuff. I was wondering about the aspect ratio that my retro games would be on this thing. Since it is in 16:9, would the game image be stretched? Would there possibly be a way to fix that if so? I'm not 100% proficient in TVs and video type stuff (I'm more an audiophile). Any help would be greatly appreciated.

>>2284704
Trust me, get two TVs. One for retro, one for new.

Also if I'm not mistaken that's an XBR970. Find a 910 or 960 if you can, the 970 was not quite as good based on what I've read. Also these things always have geometry issues nowadays.

>>2284704
You can adjust the aspect ratio to be 4:3.

>>2284716
But, just as a personal preference, I like CRTs for all my gaming. I dunno, just something about that virtually lagless controller input and the display of them that I enjoy. I just want a widescreen 1080i CRT with at least one HDMI input.

>>2284717
How so?

>>2284721
Letterboxing, of course. The image gets squished so it doesn't take up the full screen area. It's a setting in the menu.

>>2284721
I never said one had to be LCD. You'd be better off with a seperate CRT for retro 240p/480i stuff and another for 1080i.

HDMI input is hard to find and IIRC the old sony CRTs that have them lack HDCP or whatever.

>>2284727
Hmm, perhaps. It's just, I've also been looking into using a Scart to HDMI adapter for all of my retro games to also get the best quality out of the retro games. Also, regarding that last bit, I'm not quite sure what you mean by HDCP.

>>2284724
I see. I'll be sure to look into that...

>>2284727
My Sony HD CRT has an HDCP-compliant HDMI port. AFAIK all the ones with SFP tubes do.

>>2284727
>HDMI input is hard to find and IIRC the old sony CRTs that have them lack HDCP or whatever.
My HS420 most certainly has it, and even the models with DVI have HDCP.

>>2284704
That'll be better for modern stuff than retro stuff.

You can play retro in the right aspect ratio by enabling letterboxing, but the playable screen size will be much smaller than on a native 4:3 display.

Image quality is also hurt by the internal upscaling of 240p signals (NES, SNES, N64, SMS, Megasis, Saturn, PS1) into 480i. This upscaling also introduces lag.

The ideal solution is to have an SD television to use with SD consoles, and an HD television to use with HD consoles.

I started with an HD-CRT myself, and wasn't happy with the picture quality of my retro games. I ended up buying an old black Trinitron, and then an SD Wega, and then a PVM as I pursued progressively better and better SD displays. I'm still looking for the perfect CRT, but it's been a very fun journey. I wish you luck on yours!

>>2284953
I see! However, does this also apply if I use Scart to HDMI for all my retro consoles?

>>2284308
So I got this home it's awesome. The model is the 2042qm. Anyone know where I can find the manual without paying a tithe to some scumbags so I can centre the picture etc?

>>2284961
It still applies to Scart-to-HDMI converters. Upscaling the image and converting it to digital introduces lag, and the loss of scanlines makes the picture harsher. Color quality, black levels, ect would be fine. There are some examples here at 11:54: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucm7k64llO0
of a Scart-to-HDMI converter in action.

If you still want to go that route, your best option would be a Framemeister. They're pricy, but it's the best upscaler for playing retro on an HD set.

>>2284971
Here you go holmes, courtesy of the shmups forum: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_p3a0Fv34e2N3BFSmZJaWFQZEU/edit?pli=1

>>2285004
Thanks for the manual anon

>>2284662
Much luv, Kya. You wouldn't know about the 2043MD's TVL? Should be the same as the 1943MD US model...? I presume 600TVL also, but i'd love to confirm that.

The guy I want to buy the smaller sets from has tons, so i could actually get two Ikegamis and two 9045's (Aus model variant of the 8045) He seemed to think the Sony's had to be modded to get 16:9 format, and if so they'll be 9042's or 9040's which are only 250TVL. If so, i'll get 2 Ikegamis.

>>2284971
GJ anon. I saw that on Gumtree last night. Not that I'm anywhere near Qld :) Did you pick up those two 9" from his as well? What are the model no.'s on those? They look slightly different to one another...

>>2284971
Noice.
The handles on the upper left one looks a little damaged, you should check that one thoroughly.

>>2284808
Weird. Refused to power up and was giving a response suggestion horizontal deflection was stopped.
Right as I was going to mention it here, it decided to power on correctly.
Self Diagnostic doesn't have anything listed though.

picked up the 2 14m2u's and the 1341 today 1341 looks good and one of the 14m2us looks great but one has picture problems the red is gone and the picture is bowed in but 2 pvms for 120 dollars not bad

>>2286109
op here moving them back for a group photo i need some bnc connectors. got some of those bnc caps 75 olms+- 1 % how do you use these

>>2286152

>>2286193

>>2286195

>>2286202
rgb from the sega saturn on the right tv
component and the ps2 in the center
s-video on the left. the left most is the 1431 the others are the 14m2u

>>2284463
That thing is absolutely gorgeous

I know this is a thread full of purists, but I'll ask anyway.

I am working on an emulator box right now, what's the best way to output to a CRT TV? Games will be launched from hyperspin, I don't need to really look at the desktop ever once it's finished. Special video card or what? I am somewhat interested in the ultimarc vga card that for instance outputs at arcade monitor resolutions and refresh rates. Something like this maybe?

And before you give me hell, I do own a ton of these old systems and games, but have always wanted the dream console that could play anything. It's convenient, and it lets me play things like translated roms that didn't exist originally for the system.

>>2276485
Where could I get a pvm for free? I've never heard of such a thing.

Anyone ever try adding rgb inputs to a TV? It seems challenging, but they're are a number of guides out there so it isn't impossible. I have enough background in electronics that I probably won't kill myself trying. Is it even worth bothering as a learning experience? Thanks

>>2282285
When was the last time the seller contacted you?
I was trying to organise a sale with him but he hasn't responded to my message since Tuesday. At first I figured he was preparing a quote for shipping charges but now I'm concerned I'll miss out, since we might never see another batch of Aussie PVMs on the market.

>>2286271
Companies dump them all the time. I found a couple when I worked at a hospital without anyone caring where they went.

>>2284463
>>2284467

This set's picture quality is great considering you're feeding it a composite video signal. Congratulation for finding duch a nice composite monitor.

Using composite on my Genesis. Not sure if it is my TV or the Cables, but I get these vertical lines. It's hard to notice them, but I don't remember seeing them with my last Genesis. I would have noticed, I'm very nit picky about these things.

Could it have to do with the cables? I'm using an aftermarket set I got off Amazon.

>>2286443
You mean vertical bands of darkness? I remember my MD had this in RGB and I had to lift a leg on a chip in the console to remove them.

>>2286449
If that's the case then I'll just buy another Genesis. My current system is just a full board Model 2 that I got from the Goodwill for 6 bucks, so it has no real value to me.

>>2286458
I believe that is just a normal problem with the consoles. Maybe some PCB layouts don't have the issue, but from what I understand it is the result of a design flaw and not a problem with an individual console. Look up Genesis vertical bands for more info, or Genesis jailbars. Still not sure if this is the exact problem you have.

For what it is worth the MD RGB cable I ordered claimed to eliminate jailbars or something, but they were still there (particularly visible in blue iirc, but maybe they were everywhere) and they didn't resolve until I did the modification.

>>2285120
>>2285386
Yeah dude threw them in free with the big one because he had heaps

The top one is 9044qm and the bottom one is 9045qm. The top one has some stuff wrong with it for instance the S-video out is pretty dodgy.

I now own those 2, a 14M4E and a 2042QM

What am I supposed to use to connect 6th consoles to this crt?
I'm extremely confused as it obviously doesn't have component nor does it have SCART. I live in Australia if that helps.

>>2286493
Svideo is the best you can get. The jump from composite is very noticiable, so go for it.

>>2286493
>>2286510
what this dude said. Or look for a European TV with SCART on the back they seem pretty common in Melbourne and Sydney on gumtree/ebay.

>>2286489
How is the 9045qm? I'm looking at getting one...

Flogging my NEC XM-29250G on Gumtree if any Aussies have a CRT fetish. Search for NEC XM-29250G.

NEC XM-29250G

>>2286637
>NEC XM-29250G
>>2286639
wow, wish i still lived in Mosman.. or even in NSW anymore :(

>>2286630
It's ok, bit small though. Has composite/s-vid/RGB+Sync inputs/outputs. Those two have battery slots but didn't come with batteries. They also plug into the mains though

>>2286637

>>2286639
Unless it's already been sold i can't find it.

>>2286645
nvm wrong cat.
dude if you could send it up to qld i would buy it

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/frenchs-forest/tv-dvd-players/nec-xm-29250g-29-crt-rgb-vga-inputs-retro-gaming-monitor/1073351577

oh scratches on the face nvm

>>2277718
Anyone else use a PC CRT with retroarch set to a superwide resolution?
What are your shader settings?
The scanlines from interlacing.cg are way too thick and black for my tastes and I strain my eyes looking at them.

Yeah real bummer about the scratches not as noticable while gaming. If your a lil picky or OCD like me give it a miss.

>>2286653
If you can't stand the pure black lines, your only real hope is to just use a regular CRT shader at 960p while disabling any phosphor emulation it may have, or just playing at 480p with no shader save perhaps image adjustment or TVOutTweaks.

>>2286210
I don't have an answer for you (sorry) but I'm pretty sure you could find an answer digging around old threads in the archive ( https://archive.moe/vr/ ) as I know this kind of thing has been discussed ad nauseum.

But I really wanted to address your concern everyone here is a "purist," which isn't exactly true. Most of us, I'm pretty sure, prefer playing on original systems, but that's not to say we're above emulating when it produces virtually the same result, or better, than an unmodded system. I think I can safely say most of the people in these threads are just trying to get the best overall experience from their games, how it was "intended" to be played be damned (see: playing Game Boy games on a CRT).

>>2286647
Wow, hopefully some Aussie sees this and gets it. I'd probably get it if I were in Australia.... even though I already have an XP29.

>>2286465
It took me forever to take a decent enough picture.

Look very closely at the green bushes in the background and you will see what I am talking about.

I looked up those dark bands and it doesn't appear to be what's going on with my system.

>>2287285
It's really obvious in this picture.

>>2284953
No, the ideal solution is to have a multiscan PVM or BVM. They will scan 480i, 240p, 480p, 720p, and 1080i content without upscaling. Expensive as all hell, though. I got a PVM 14L5 for less than $200 shipped last year.

Here's a RGB modded PCE on my 8 inch PVM.

>>2287413

>8 inch

Is that even playable? How close do you sit?

>>2287418
I have it sitting on my desk right in front of me. I never had problems with the size.

are the philips / magnavox TV's any good?

>>2286342
Any idea what part of a hospital I would want to contact begging for old monitors?

Just rode my bike past this baby. Worth picking up with my car later? Owner was kind enough to include the remote in an envelope taped to the top.

>>2287503
Assuming it's in decent condition and hasn't been abused, it'd be a pretty nice set.

>>2286210
You have 3 easy options: soft15khz, groovymame + crtemudriver (the best), or arcade vga. I wrote this in a previous thread: The short version is: Get either RGB 15khz monitor, or crt 15khz tv (if in murica get one w component, if scart country get scart) connect to vga with transcoder in murrica, or ultimate scart adapter in scart country (or make one), and on the computer side, get either recommended radeon card (like x600), or arcade VGA and read up on outputting 15khz, oooooorrrrr use a vga monitor with superwide resolution (this will have very stark scanlines though and be too sharp IMO)

>>2287620
Also you'll have to wait until the computer changes to 15khz (when windows boots) to turn on the tv. I use an Extron RGB interface to know when this is, or ultimarc makes an adapter that will filter out the 31khz signal.

>>2287503
Uhh, yeah! Component and S-video, 24 inch trinitron, what more could you want for something on the side of the road?

>>2287627
X600 playing nestopia on an xp computer connected to an Ikegami 20" RGB monitor.

>>2275682
Gay thread title much?

Anyway for AUScunts I found a pair of 20" BVM for cheap, $200 BIN

www.ebay.com.au/itm/121591693460

>>2287413
>8 inch

pvmfags reaching new lows

>>2287521
Just picked it up and dropping it off at my storage unit now. If you ever come to Jacksonville and go to Video Game Rescue, it should be there for anyone to use on Super Smash nights.

>>2287630
The plastic trim is cracked in one corner, which leads me to believe it was dropped once. The glass inside is fine though. I have a PVM for myself but for demoing games to customers, this will do. :)

>>2287413
Some more of the PC Engine.

>>2287672
MM2 ported to the PCE.

vr I need your help I got a bvm 20f1u.
The menu looks good but when I plug in my sega genesis 2 via scart and then scart to bnc into the RGB card of my bvm and turn it on it looks like this. What's wrong? When the tv menu is on its good so I don't think the bvm is damaged.

PLEASE HELP and thanks!

>>2287723
Nice face

Also, looks like it's not getting the sync information.
I have no experience with BVMs and such, but you may need to manually switch it to RGB External Sync. I know you do with my PVM and the L5s at the very least.

>>2287723
see
>>2287736
It's sync.

There should be a physical button for ext sync toggle, I think? I have a 20L5 too and it's on the front. If the F1 doesn't have one, check the menu. Otherwise, check the back connections to be sure you plugged sync into the proper connection.

>>2287736
>>2287740
Ext sync is on and also I put the button on for sync on the controller, it changes slightly to the point where I get some of the picture at time but then itll continue to spur out of control

>>2287746
If the RGB card has looped inputs, are you sure that it's been connected to the correct INPUT connection, rather than the output?

>>2287648
Yeah such a good deal if you live near Sydney

>>2287772
I'm not sure what could be going wrong sighhhhh
I just want some scanline goodness :I

>>2287802
Who made your cables? Where did you them from? Could be something wrong with them.

>>2287818
I bought them from http://www.ebay.com/itm/161588265542...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
and the female SCART to BnC: http://www.ebay.com/itm/191518429296?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

>>2287818
>>2287821
here's the first one again
http://www.ebay.com/itm/161588265542?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

>>2287824
I'm wondering if it wouldn't like composite video sync/needs to have it toggled for some incredibly odd reason.

Do you have a card that accepts composite, or a way to connect that sync line to something that does?

>>2287487
Call the front desk of any larger hospital and ask about tech installs, who installs and maintains medical machines like MRI's, PET scanners etc, and when you get to those guys ask about older machines and the CRT monitors they used.

>>2287824
>>2288078
Some of the older BVM's had a sync adjust dial - like v-hold but for h-sync, i believe. Not sure about the F series.

Has it ever worked right anon, or did you just get it? Might have gone wrong internally, but try something with luma-as-sync or pure-c-sync, which might mean getting a sync stripper.

Do Sony CRTs from the 00s give the same picture as 80-90s Trinitron?

I need to get a TV for my roomie but I don't feel like hunting down an earlier model since I have a newer one that I can buy for like 20 bucks.

>>2288375
Consumer Sony CRTs from around 2000 onward are going to be better, generally (and have more/better inputs). The only downside is the flat screen models tend to have minor geometry issues.

Make sure it's not an HDTV if it's for older games, though.

>>2288101
I just got it but when the menu is on the screen is perfectly clear only when I put the Genesis on its bad.

>>2288078
I do have one but it needs rca to bnc caps. Also my scart cable is composite video sync. Do i need an adapter that has a sync stripper?

>>2288486
>Also my scart cable is composite video sync. Do i need an adapter that has a sync stripper?
That's partially what I'm wondering, but I think it would be extremely unlikely(and incredibly stupid) for such a high end and late model monitor to require one. The main reason I mention connecting it up to a composite input is to make sure the damn thing

A little search suggests that getting termination caps for your outputs could possibly clear up the issue, but I can't say for sure.

I'm curious what the result will be if you set it to internal sync and connect the sync line to the green input. On my dumber monitor, it displays a monotone image based off the composite signal. It could show that sync is indeed being passed along that line.

>>2288534
>The main reason I mention connecting it up to a composite input is to make sure the damn thing
make sure the damn thing is even connected.*

Also, it apparently works as an RGB input if you leave Red and Blue connected, though it seems to introduce some cross hatching and slight discoloration. Again, it could still show that there's something being sent along that line.

Can anybody recommend a good S-video A/V cable for SNES/N64/Gamecube?

Mine has seen better days, and the audio cables are no longer any good.

Long time /crt/ lurker here.

Does anyone have the manual for the L5 series of PVMs?

I picked up a 14L5 last August for $20, and it has a bit of overscan that i'd like to correct. It's been a great machine so far, though I'm only running Wii for VC emulation and a PS2 on component at the moment.

For those with PVMs, what's your audio setup like? I'm just using the internal speaker at the moment, but i'd rather use headphones. Will a simple 2RCA to 3.5mm adapter suffice, or will I have volume issues? I was considering sending the audio through my computer, or pick up a used stereo reciever though I feel like that may be overkill.

I've been meaning to take some pics sometime, but just haven't gotten around to it.

>>2288915
Try and find some decent-ish computer speakers with a headphone jack if you want something simple. A stereo receiver would probably be ideal but only if you have room and would use it for other stuff.

>>2288754
Official Nintendo ones, obviously
Hori
Monster, amusingly enough
Innovation (http://www.ebay.com/itm/181580917751 )

>>2288915
I've got the operation manual, but not the service one:
http://www.mediafire.com/view/qa7w3dl2pp6x7qz/Sony_PVM_14L5_-_20L5_Operation_Manual.pdf

As for audio, I'm using an old stereo receiver I bought last year for $5 with a pair of floorstanding speakers; Has a headphone jack if I wanted to go that route as well.
I don't think there's a single thing wrong with getting some decent audio equipment for retro gaming.

>>2288534
>>2288539
I got to try composite and it works. So now what can I do to get the RGB working? seems like it must be the cable now that I see the monitor works

>>2288994
Is that composite from a different av cable, or is it using the sync line of the cables you linked in
>>2287821
>>2287824
?

>>2289000
This is from a different cable, my genesis' original av cables.

The one I was using before this was the SCART cable and SCART to BnC

>>2289005
Try connecting the sync line from the SCART to BNC cable to which ever input you're using in >>2288994.

If the cable is working, it'll work the exact same way as a plain composite cable; This should show whether the problem is the monitor/input card or in the cabling.

>>2288987
Amazon reviews for the Innovation one are mixed and seen to indicate it's a composite signal sent through s-video.

>>2289009
the sync line is the green or black?

>>2289024
Black

>>2289014
The cables I linked have been stated before to be actual s-video, and the seller has it listed explicitly that it is true s-video so that in some odd chance they aren't, you're guaranteed to get your money back.

A look at the amazon reviews seem to suggest that it's several different types of cables being sold under that name/grouping, so that could be the problem there.

>>2288915

I'm not using a PVM/BVM, but that hasn't stopped me from using a 2.1 setup.

Receiver was a rescue from a friend's house.
Speakers are floor standers I found at a flea market. Powered sub is from a junk store.

Works pretty damn well with retro, and is definitely not overkill. However a lot of games have ridiculous amounts of bass. Earthbound, and SotN especially.

I've spent about $80 in speakers, and maybe $20 in assorted costs for repair/fuses.

Pretty worth it, imo. Video games are a lot of fun with good audio.

>>2288987

Thanks. I've heard plenty of good things about Hori, but I may go with the Innovation.

>>2289032
unfortunately its still the same problem when trying rgb, the image is all over the place

>>2289087
But it displays a color picture?

>>2289089
yes it does display color, however even before this with the sync in the rgb card it had color as well

>>2289168
>its still the same problem when trying rgb
Do you mean the same problem as when you were trying RGB before, or do you still have it set to display RGB?

If the former, set it to display composite and report back.

If the latter:

That would mean for some reason, the cable isn't properly allowing sync information to be passed along to the monitor/monitor isn't accepting the sync information, even if it's able to pull the video information from the very same signal.

I wonder if it could be a grounding issue with one of the cabled. When I was fiddling around with rigging RGB output from my Genesis, the image would not sync if ground wasn't connected.

Are you sure your SCART cable is properly seated into the female end of the breakout, and/or would you happen to have a continuity tester/multimeter to test and see if ground is connected?

>>2288431
The menu was always going to work. It is internally controlled, and not subject to either external sync or internal sync (the latter is poorly named - it means sync on one of the signal lines also used for something else (colour or comp. video for example) NOT using sync from the set itself)

I see Kya is already helping out though so i'll leave you in his capable hands. It sounds like your SCART cable is stuffed :)

>>2289089
Off topic, but the PVM-1943MD/2043MD does have a 600TVL... which i was asking about before.

>>2288915
I have the service manual for the 14L5g and 20L5 if you still need it. Please suggest a place to upload where i can just dump it and don't have to make an account?

>>2289427
http://pomf.se/

I'll toss it up with the rest on my mediafire, which I need to add in somewhere in the pastebin.

>>2289201
Its the same as when I tried the RGB before and its still set to display RGB.I'll try to set it display composite.
I will also check the seating of the female breakout, unfortunately away from the monitor at the moment.

>>2289434
Uploaded: http://a.pomf.se/ksqgsz.pdf

I'm actually building a collection of every PVM/BVM/XM/JVC service manual i can find. Still have big gaps, but i'm around every few days if ppl want to make requests.

>>2286639
>>2286640
>>2286646
>>2286647
Great to see that thing went so fast ;) Is the anon who bought it on here for comment? Or even the anon who sold it again?

So it turns out that big ass philips tv does have a service menu, with geometry even. Could even correct overscan and an offset that kicks in on 60hz sources.
Too bad magnet is in one chunk and non adjustable, the philips way. Can't correct corner blur.

>>2289656
>Can't correct corner blur.
only very rarely can you. Most sets require some permalloy strips or similar. Youtube "Preparing Aged CRTs"

>>2289664
yeah I've seen them on the FD trini I got to replace the philips.

>>2289637
>I'm actually building a collection of every PVM/BVM/XM/JVC service manual
Mind sharing a list of what you have?

>>2289715
happily, but i'm in the middle of moving house, so no time.

I'm not going anywhere though, gimme a few weeks. I don't really have that much, i guess. and everything bar one or two has been found on the interwebs with a bit of digging.

>>2289014
Only purchase them from cheapgamestuff on ebay. I own a set of the Innovation s-video cables from their store and it's correctly wired, I recommended them to another Anon last year and he ordered them off Amazon and got a badly wired generic cable that had composite.

>>2289201
Just tried the first suggestion and no luck still very messy signal and when switching to composite there were some white lines coming on the sides as if it's trying to take the signal but no dice.
Also I unhooked the SCART cables to check the settings looks good but I'll get a multimeter to check signal

>>2289804
If composite from another cable works, but using the sync line on the same input doesn't, that almost definitely confirms that it's a fault with the cabling somewhere;
Whether the breakout cable is to blame or the SCART cable itself is a different question all together.

>>2289804
ok, so to check, you have plugged a composite line into the video input (not the RGB lines) and set internal sync on. You used the composite video from the Scart cable, yes? And the result is garbled.

But when you use a normal AV cable through the same port, with internal sync, everything worked fine?

If so, your Scart cable is stuffed. Or the adapter is.

>>2289812
ninja'd again!

>>2289818
2slow

>>2289816
exactly, do you know any specific place to buy another SCART>BNC cable, since the seller on ebay for the SCART is away I'll try a new SCART>BNC first.
Also this is what comes up when putting the composite video from the SCART composite cable into the composite port: [img]http://i.imgur.com/KMV7hlq.gif[/img]

>>2290285
REALLY thinking this is a grounding issue now.

>>2290289
If it is grounding are new cables a must?

>>2287802
I think you need 50Ohm resistor plugs on the RGB outputs that are not in use.

i've been neglecting my trini
this is the first time i have played crash bandicoot , even though i had a ps1 at the time, we had CTR tho.

>>2290345
Can't say for sure. As long as the cables aren't sealed and flooded with hot glue, you could possibly fix them yourself if you felt handy enough.

>Also this is what comes up when putting the composite video from the SCART composite cable into the composite port
Are you saying that you connected the composite SCART cable to the monitor using the same breakout cable, or are you using a little adapter similar to this: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41YLM83PxeL.jpg ?

Before going out and buying new cabling though, getting a set of those resistor plugs might be a good idea; Just to cover all your bases, you know?

>>2290363
using the same breakout cable

wut

>>2287802
does anyone find it funny that people go through all this retarded bullshit when you could just get a regular crt and be done with it

>>2290506
hue

Looks damn good, to be honest.

>>2290686
My PVM and cables worked perfectly first time, just as well as any regular TV.

>>2290686
Faulty cabling can effect anyone, regardless of whether they're using RGB or an RF switch.

>>2288101
Thanks much. I'm going to try that tomorrow, I'll report back if I have any success.

Found two free CRTs on Craigslist. You guys know if these are any good?

1/2

2/2

>>2291414
>>2291417
The Toshiba looks like it could be an interesting find.
http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?25084-So-I-just-found-a-North-American-NTSC-TV-with-RGB
Even if it is EGA only, 3 sets of composite inputs (and outputs) along with a built in amplifier for speakers would make it a nice little TV.

This is assuming that it is the same model; Other Blackstripe sets look to be nowhere near as well equipped and as such not much better than the average from the period(mid 80s).


No idea on the Magnavox though.

japanese crt's tend to have better picture even in consumer sets. american sets have a lot of red push and don't have an option to change it

Anyone else watching those 2 BVM-2000AP's on Ebay.com.au? Whoever bidded $40 done goofed, IMO. Shoulda bought the pair for $200. Now the bidding war starts...

>>2275682
I have a generic low-cost CRT from the late 70s, manufactured in France. This used to be my father's set and apart from a few whining coils and no 60Hz is still works quite fine with a decent picture.

Its only inputs are RF, SCART RGB and a DIN-like thing. I've only used RGB SCART on this set, because that was the default standard for everything out there. Anyone knows what the DIN is for?

>>2291882
Same set from the front, complete with a handle

>>2291890
>>2291882
If I had to make a guess, I'd think that it's an old stereo sound connector standard that's rarely used anymore.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIN_connector#Analog_audio

>>2291897
Considering the tape-like logo underneath it, this makes sense.

Just purchased a SONY CPD-E400, did I make a mistake?

this review makes it sound kind of... Meh.

http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=172

anyone have experience with these types of generic a/v switches?

I mostly want it for audio not video.

thoughts?

>>2292078
I use an old GameStop branded A/V switcher just like this and have had no problems at all on the audio front. Video can get a little tricky with S-Video compatibility, but audio should work fine.