/vr/ - Retro Games

Namco fighting games were always my favorite. With those I felt like as long as you knew the moves you could challenge anyone where a game like Street Fighter requires WAY more strategy. I just have more fun playing Tekken or Soul Calibur with my bros

>>2270507
so, theyir button mashers?

I remember, as a kid, I used to go to the Boys & Girls Club when school was out for the season, and it had a cabinet with Samurai Shodown II, World Fighters II -- I think -- and Aero Fighters II.

I watched a lot of people play SS and saw one person beat World Fighters over the years.

Good times.

I've always liked 2d fighting game but never really understood them. Any good 101 YouTube tutes I should watch?

>>2270501
Each one has their place.
Anyone who denies that street fighter will always be the most relevant competitively is a fucking idiot.
Mortal kombat is reserved for nostalgia fags and bros that just wanna play "A BUTTON MASHER" and theres nothing wrong with that.


If theres one game that hasnt gotten the love it deserves, its definetely soul cali 5. 4 was supposed to be the final one, but people made petitions that actually earned the devs attention, and 4 maintained a fairly large competitive scene YEARS after devs stopped caring about it. It was literally created due to fan demand, which is based as fuck. And it has in my opinion the greatest character editor in any game. Hey, wanna change your dudes height and actually have it reflected in hitboxes? Go ahead. Its my favorite fighting game to play, cause matches can be pretty goofy and has easy as hell inputs.

>>2270527
You can button mash with any fighting game. I dont button mash with Tekken or Soul Calibur though Ive pretty much learned Paul and Voldo's whole command list.

>>2270507
I thought the opposite: unless you want memorize 10 pages of combos and whether they hit hi or low you might as well be mashing buttons at random 3D fighter

Then again maybe that's the point

>>2270501
>which is your favorite?
Last Blade

>>2270501
Street Fighter II (any of the versions) and KoF '98 are my favorites followed by Real Bout Fatal Fury 2 and SNK vs. Capcom - Match of the Millennium. After that it's probably Samurai Shodown 1&2, Real Bout Special, Street Fighter Alpha 3, Ultra Street Fighter IV, Marvel vs. Capcom 2, and Garou - Mark of the Wolves.

Some criminally underrated titles include Joy Mech Fight and Nekketsu Kakutou Densetsu.

Post your main.

Friends pretty much prepare to get BTFO when I choose him.

>>2270545
>Post your main.

In which game?

>>2270553
The one you're best with out of all games.

Probably my favorite /vr/-appropriate one to play is Tech Romancer, which is a really great Dreamcast 3Dish fighter made by Capcom. It isn't the most balanced or deep thing in the world but over the hundreds of hours or so that I've spent playing it with friends it's held up pretty well.

On that note, Dianna 17.

>>2270528
>World Fighters II
World Heroes II?

Been trying to get to Ryo in Fatal Fury Special these past days. I get to stage 14 and Geese destroys me, then it's back to square one. I'm so afraid of attacking him because of his counter.

I also want to get to Geese in Art of Fighting 2, I tried a little bit. Temjin's a dick.

>>2270545
Best KOF

More people need to play this game.

One of the best if not THE best 3D fighting game where 3D implies terrain and not just graphics.

>>2270619
I can never play charge characters worth shit.

>>2270620
Looks like a mix of Dragonball, Chrono Trigger, and a bad anime.

>>2270620
Looks pretty fun, I'll try it out.

>>2270620
In 60 frames per second and 200 playable characters too!

Well...there's this.

Who here has played Mutant Fighter/Death Brade? It's pretty fun

>>2270530
The character creation for SCV was GOAT man.
I swear I put more hours into that than the main game itself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCicpdHQLe0

>>2270685
Das shit, mang

>>2270685
hory shit he actually beat him

it took him over 50 tries and around 30 minutes of gameplay time and a cheap tactic but hory shit he actually did it

Anybody ever play Joy Mech Fight for NES? 36 playable characters!

>>2270660
brainless button masher
ice arena with spike lined walls was cool though

>>2270545
Zangief for Street Fighter.

>>2270685

Can someone explain how this boss fight works? Is his sweep safe on block? can you even block those silhouette projectile things?

>>2270545
>>2270749
Terry Bogard for Fatal Fury.

For team fighters (KoF, MvC, SvC) I use a bunch of characters and don't really have a "main" team.

>>2270754
The General is basically what happens when you drop a Guilty Gear character inside vanilla Street Fighter II.

these old games have no point whatsoever unless you have friends with lots of free time or some shit
Fuck that.

>>2270772
I agree that you need a second player to completely appreciate them, but "lots of free time"? They're pretty pick-up-and-play actually.

>>2270780
yeah if you like mashing buttons, learning this shit takes effort and I dont have teenaged friends anymore and even if I did I'd rather play USFIV or something modern

Shitty dead genre.

>>2270780
there's no point to them whatsoever
at best you can go on ggpo and play street fighter against third worlder kids and even then the ggpo community is pretty dead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNkRvcUn6VM
Find a better fighting game ending. Protip: You probably can

>>2270782
What are you even doing here if you don't like old games?

>>2270791
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tneLgg9RWdE

>>2270797
I think they wanted to rip off lei's ending in tekken 3 but ended up hilariously racist.

>>2270791
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdaztc2L2Es

>>2270797
superior
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zKV3LI-t44

>>2270791
>>2270797
Step aside
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RANLUZYraMo

>>2270804
Street Fighter EX came out a year before T3.

>>2270782
I appreciate both new and old fighting games for different reasons. If you'd rather just stick to newer ones that's up to you, no reason to lash out at people that don't.

>>2270794
I think he's upset that he doesn't have people to play these games with and therefore it's a "shitty dead genre".

>>2270815
what about PLUS EX ALPHA?

>>2270817
well i figured if you're gonna spend hundreds of hours learning a game you might as well learn what's popular rather than being a fucking hipster

>>2270827
same year apparently

>>2270828
But I'm not playing them for the sake of being a hipster, I'm playing them because I enjoy them a lot. A whole lot more than assfaggots.

Modern games aren't the only ones being played competitively either, even if they're more popular. There's plenty of people that play Vampire Savior competitively for example, in fact I saw a tournament stream of it not too long ago.

A lot of fighting game knowledge translate into other fighting games as well, so I wouldn't say it's useless knowledge either way. At least not if you're looking to get good at video games. Which is probably actually useless, but fuck it it's fun.

>>2270804
>racist
I don't think that word means what you think it means.

>>2270878
"Something I don't like" I believe is the definition.

>>2270878
"Archetype" just doesn't have the same ring.

>>2270772
Not really. I enjoy playing older fighter games by myself. I also have bros who dont mind playing tekken 2, street fighter 2, or any of the KoF games.

>>2270886
>Archetype
Oh dear.
I think you need one of these.

>>2270791
BY FAR the GOAT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejJIILrrb0E

>>2270620
Are you me?
I also wish there were Tobal 2 tournaments.

>>2270914
That's the thing. Why play tekken 2 when the sequels are far faaaar superior.

>>2270960
I mean, didn't tekken 2 become obsolete the very moment 3 came out?

RIP

>>2270960
We do play new Tekken games but we have been playing Tekken since we were kids. Its still fun as hell playing the older games. Might be nostalgia but I love all the old levels, music, and graphics. Plus Tekken 2 is slower paced than the new games which can be refreshing to return to every now and again. Same goes for Twisted Metal. The new game is fucking amazing but it's still just as fun returning to Twisted Metal 2.

Best ninja. Accept no imitations

>>2270529
what don't you understand? maybe i can help.

i never heard of dxhird
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZV9c5OoakA

and cgr loves sam sho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7MXLFPY2_o

Hello, i've recently started getting into SF II: The New Challengers and i have a few questions.

First, does the CPU have higher priority by default?

I've noticed that air-to-air it's very unlikely to beat the CPU, let's say i'm playing Zangief versus Dee Jay. In air-to-air he ALWAYS beats my HK with his MK, but then i've started playing Dee Jay and surprise! He will beat my MK with HK or MK.
The same happens with many other characters, even when i'm playing Blanka, which is said to be the character with the highest priority jumping normals, the CPU will beat me in the air, this is very annoying.

Second, how do i deal more damage in multi-hit normal throws(blanka's, balrog's, dhalsim's...)?

Third, how to perform combos?

As a former KoF player i'm used to the standard "jumping heavy attack -> standing heavy attack -> standing light attack -> special", but i do not know how it works in SF II.
A guide or a chart are very welcome.

Pic related, who i'm trying to main.

>>2270782

this is exactly the kind of attitude that has ruined (for me at least) modern gaming.

no one type of genre or type of game is anymore legitimate than another. you're allowed to have your preferences and obviously some games are of lesser quality than others but 2D fighters have just as much of a point or lack there of as any other video game.

the biggest mistake the gaming industry ever made in its infancy (imo) was turning its back on 2D once 3D became a viable medium. its been proven time and time again that not everything works in 3D and numerous classic series that tried to make the transition have been floating in a sea of mediocrity for 2 decades now.
then we have two whole genres (beat em ups, and shumps) that in their hay day were massive successes that now outside of their niche audiences are near extinct genres today.

as long as the games are fun who gives a fuck?
fuck that watered down bullshit you call modern gaming.

>>2271039
learn Sagat's Tiger Shot
then always pick Sagat and spam Tiger Shot

bam, you've mastered SFII

>>2270828

if you know ryu's moves in street fighter 2, guess what? you know ryu's moves in every other fucking street fighter. not only that, but those exact same move lists are used all over the place in all sorts of fighters. get out of here

>>2271040
Couldn't have put it better myself. People nowadays think 2D = cheap indie game to buy during steam sale. It's ridiculous. I actually think Third Strike looks better than SF4.

I just want to thank SNK for nearly single handedly creating the modern hentai doujin market. I just don't know what my fap fantasies would have been fueled with if not for Mai Shiranui.

>>2271040
How do you make a SHMUP or Beat em up that you can charge 60 dollars for?

The big games these days have bigger budgets then ever, and they have to to keep up with graphical demands, and they all require very competent programmers because tons of games have incredibly complex systems. Look at Assassins Creed Unity for instance.

>Really good graphics
>Very complex free running system
>Good voice acting and sound design

Thats just a -small- fraction of the complexity. I'm not saying AC:U is an amazing game, but its competent.

How do you sell a simple beat em up? You can do it with smaller teams and it can be moderately successful like Double Dragon Neon but its definitely more Niche.

>>2271070
Its actually easier to make, rig and texture a 3D model then it is to make a sprite sheet with very fluid animations, especially considering when multiple outfits are usually a staple in fighters now its way easier to just change that kind of stuff then it is to completely revise the sprite sheet. Which is why a lot of the alternative outfits are simply recolours in the sprite sheet days.

>>2271070

SFIII Third Strike is not only a better looking game but its a lot more stylish and no amount of cell-shaded flair will change that.

>>2271074
not all games need to be 60 dollars. even the "big budget" games costing 60 bucks is a joke.

how is it that a movie can cost 100+ milliion dollars to make, cost 8 bucks to see in theaters, and cost 10-20-30 dollars to buy on dvd/blu ray and still turn a bigger profit than the 10 million dollar game that cost 60 bucks new?

i hope to god we as a human race get over being so wowed by computer graphics some day. it wont ever happen but i can still dream.

beat em' ups aren't niche, in fact its such a simple and easy idea to grasp that it deserve a presence in today's gaming market.

the only reason why we are lead to believe its niche is because of posters/people like the one i original quoted lead you to believe that its a negative thing, or "hipster" to enjoy things outside of whats popular and that is so fucked. sorry, im an individual, and as that individual i will enjoy my 2D hipster shit over assassins rehash anyday.

>>2271059
that's a load of crock even if you use the x ism in sf alpha

but frankly this entire thread is the gayest shit ive heard
as expected from the fighting game crowd

>>2271089
>beat em ups aren't niche
You misunderstand.
You aren't the average video game player. Its highly likely the average video game player has never even played a beat em up and was raised on games like Halo, Kingdom Hearts, and Super Smash Bros Melee.

They are few and far between because guess what? Other genres sell better. Other genres have more potential to be interesting. Most of them have high difficulty as its replay value because they must be beaten in a single sitting and you will die frequently.

Facts are facts. Beat em ups are going the way of the dodo just like point and clicks did.

>>2270741
sup

>>2271040
pathetic and insecure

>>2271101
Why are you even in a thread that you apparently hate everything about?
Just to shitpost and be butthurt?

>>2271113
could be, i hate fighting communities and am glad they're dying
well i never heard of xhrd so i learned something new today

>>2271039
So... no one to help me?

>>2271105
Insecure about what? The guy has a fair point. 2D can be just as good as 3D if not better and the industry turned its back on it. Or are you just using buzzwords for the heck of it?

>>2271120
Theres a reason 2D fucking died you retards holy shit.
Its -harder- and less versatile then 3D.

>>2271114
Did some niggers mug you at an arcade or something?

>>2271116
I don't think different rules apply to the AI and Dhalsim can't combo for crap, not that he needs to

>>2271123
how did you know?

eh, guess i've looked for help in the wrong place

>>2271127
If you can't even beat the cpu you should just drop the genre and go back to your mexican button masher.

>>2271089
For the most part, the model you are describing for Hollywood is not accurate. More and more, you are seeing lower budget movies ($50 million and less) with the occasional tentpole. Studios are much more likely to risk less money on a bunch of cheaper movies, hence the resurgence in inexpensive genre trash like Oculus, Oujia, Paranormal Activity, etc. Even with larger budget movies, there is an expectation of more profit from longtail sales in DVD/BR, rentals, streaming, etc.

This is not the case with games, which often make up to 90% of their sales in the first month. There are little to no other revenue streams for games, no longtail sales. The market as we knew it has been totally fractured by phones and tablets and their pricing model. Most people only buy one or two new games a year, even stuff like AC and GTA have to assume that they'll sell millions before they can turn a profit.

If anything, it's led us to have a healthy new interest in so called indie games and smaller experiences. (I wish this consumer mindset would transfer to books but that's another story). Still, younger consumers are by and large unwilling to pay for content these days. When everything is assumed to be free, you can't even depend on 0.99 cent sales. SNK now makes pachinko, and Capcoms biggest games are on mobile devices.

You dug your grave, now lie there...

>>2271126
Statistically it's almost a sure thing

>>2271114
Damn why are you so salty? Fighting games are fun especially with friends. I don't want to play platformers and RPGs all the time I want something competitive and nothing is more competitive than fighting games.

>>2271142
I have no friends :(

>>2271136
Don't listen to this asshole. The CPU is by no means a good way of determining whether you're good or not against a human opponent. Can you fuck off back to your containment board already?

>>2271150
Nah, I'm good here.

why is this thread so bad
not so much the actual thread, just the quality of discussion falling off a cliff

>>2270782
>USF4

why?
Fuck, most of my friends would rather play 3rd Strike. Sometimes, older games in a series are better.

also
>mashing buttons
go away
if you can put 20 hours into a modern game you can put 20 hours into getting remotely decent at a fighter

>>2271136
SF2's AI is actually pretty hard (at least, depending on the board region -- for example, just about any boards meant for SE Asia have retardedly hard AI on lowest settings).

also
>mexican button masher

>>2271142
but then again this just confirms what ive been saying, if you have no friends, there's no point to the games at all

>>2271102

yeah im self aware enough to know im not your typical gamer, but i still don't think beat em ups are niche.

wouldn't you agree that to a certain extent that kingdom hearts is a beat em up? take away those rpg elements and you got yourself one.

also you don't have to confine the genre to the limitations of the genres past, those genres can move forward ya know.

im well aware that facts are facts and me ranting on 4chan isn't going to change anything, but i wish things could be different. im pretty ignorant to a lot of things but from what i understand the state of modern gaming is absolutely frightful. maybe people should listen to the people who are actually passionate about games more often.

>>2271136
>>2271156
super turbo's ai is notorious for reading the opponent's button input

>>2271156
One /v/ poster shitting up the thread.

>>2271160
>wouldn't you agree that to a certain extent that kingdom hearts is a beat em up? take away those rpg elements and you got yourself one.
No, not at all.
Wtf are you talking about sidescrolling beat'em ups in a fightan thread.

>>2271101

oh excuse me, i've never used x-ism so i wouldn't know. but i can tell you on a and v-ism or any sf game that down corner side is always a fireball

>>2271165
that's some high level play right there, kid

>>2271121
versatility =/= better. im not saying you need to abolish 3D. infact i like a lot of 3D games but if you read my point earlier you'd see that i was saying that not every title works in 3D.

i mean sure you can have all the complexity and camera angles you need in your 3D games but it means fuck-all when the last 50 castlevania games have made a complete mockery of the once great series while the 2D handheld games are still better in every aspect

>>2271172
what are you rambling about
how is this related to fighting games?

this thread sure is going places

>>2271163

am i wrong or do you not run around mashing the x button to attack a hoard of enemies?

wasn't final fight suppose to be the sequel to the original street fighter? see there we go, i brought it all the way around so lets move on lol.

>>2271173
2D vs 3D argument sparked and it derailed from there. Scroll up for the fun discussion!

>>2271178
>wasn't final fight suppose to be the sequel to the original street fighter?
Never heard of that. Source?

>>2271173

sorry i got a little carried away when that anon was talking shit about muh 2D fighters which is beloved type of game in my eyes.


well anyway i just picked up the street fighter anthology collection and i noticed that the manual doesn't have a move list and there doesn't appear to be an in game one either. is this the biggest oversight in fighting game history? how the fuck am i suppose to know sodom's special moves?

>>2271182
look it up on gamefaqs, or the street fighter wikia

>>2271180
http://streetfighter.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fight

take a look at this.

>>2271182
>how the fuck am i suppose to know sodom's special moves?
I can't think of a way to learn them aside from maybe buying a guide off of ebay or something. It's probably going to cost you.

>>2270861
>There's plenty of people that play Vampire Savior competitively for example
Hell, even its predecessor Vampire Hunter has people playing it. Both Savior and Hunter each had tournaments with over 100 participants last year.

Hey guys, don't mind me, I'll just be over here, being the worst Street Fighter character ever.

>>2271180

>>2271190
Literally named after butt sex.

>>2271190
that's not blanka

>>2271182
I was thinking about picking that up. Sucks to hear that it doesn't have a move list, that really does seem like a pretty major oversight. I mean when you make the transition from arcade I'd imagine that was the first thing you'd want to include. Having to look up moves on Gamefaqs or some shit is such a pain in the ass.

>>2271190
It's for the best that you've never played SF4

>>2271182
>well anyway i just picked up the street fighter anthology collection and i noticed that the manual doesn't have a move list and there doesn't appear to be an in game one either. is this the biggest oversight in fighting game history?
Supposedly they colluded with guide manufacturers to leave the movelists out in order to make players buy guides. It's especially bad considering that they didn't pull that with the Darkstalkers Collection that Alpha Anthology was based on, it had in-game movelists.

>>2271202
Why is that? Joking aside, there can't legit be a worse character.

And no, even though I own it, I've played SF4 for a total of maybe 3 hours.

>>2271190
Sodom is moe.

>>2271195

i think you should still pick it up. even with that i still absolutely love this collection. its still a lot of fun and i usually see them for only about 7-20 bucks max. the graphics are so beautiful :3

>>2271206
wow. are capcom the most scheming bastard developers of all time? what is their deal? they had to have sold their souls to the devil in the 80s to have 20 years of success

>mfw Charlie went full Preston Ajax in SFV
Anyone played Fighting Layer here?

>>2271216
it's the game where you fight a shark, eagle or tiger

>>2271216
Personally I thought of Victor when I saw Sf5 Charlie.

>>2271210
Yeah I probably will. I've spoiled myself using arcade sticks all the time though and I don't own a PS2 one, so I might have to look into getting one. There's lots of good PS1/PS2 fighting games, so for me I think it's worth it.

>>2271208
If I take that mask off will he die?

Nobody has mentioned the best fighting game ever and this makes me a sad panda.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36ujG74rjlQ

>>2271253
You HAVE to watch ep 2 of SeHa Girls if you haven't yet. It's hilarious.

>>2270545
My main in SF is Dan. Nobody ever takes me seriously.

i think most of the people who bash the SFEX series have never played it

they have great soundtracks and cool characters, and i have sfex2+ right up there with the other greats

I prefer older fighting games because things that aren't combos actually do damage. Makes it easier to convince others to play.

>>2271516
to be honest, I could never get into fighters back in their heyday specifically because of all the combo madness they started focusing on. I mean you had to enter what seemed like NES style secret codes just to do what seemed like should be basic moves, it was bullshit.

>>2271519
also, I should add that all the while you couldn't actually use the moves unless you had memorized them since you had to be ultra fast or your opponent would be pummeling you while you tried to enter them.

>>2271190

I'll never understand why nobody likes Sodom.

Maybe it's because americans don't like japanese making fun of them?

>>2271424
I had one of those on my PS1. Can't remember which one. I liked it. I remember liking the music and the new roster of characters better than SFIII with the added benefit that more older characters are in EX than III. It's actually kind of strange that the main series went in the direction of EX to an extent.

However, me and my friends at the time were a lot more into Rival Schools. I think I still have my Tiffany Lords cosplay around the house somewhere.

>>2271521
>>2271519
Bro it's okay if you're bad at fighting games, they just aren't your thing.

>>2271567
are you that same person that is making shity /v/ quality troll posts in ever other thread right now?

>>2271190

Yeah but he had a kickass theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A836z_vMq-8

>>2271660

This is infinitely better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QURkDMCzJzQ

>>2270545
You already did.

>>2271207
>>2271536
FIRTHY GAIJIN SO FAT AND RAZY

Guile was their attempt to pander, the other Americans are pretty unflattering. They even made poor Cody into a loser.

>>2271712

Anyway Sodom, Rolento, Guy, they're Final Fight characters/enemies. So not technically SF characters.

Did anyone play this game? It's really addicting.

>>2271536
The character is making fun of weeaboos, dumbass. They're literally saying "if you're interested in japanese shit you're a faggot". And I don't use "faggot" colloquially. They actually ARE using it to mean LITERALLY A FAGGOT. Why do you think they called him SODOM? It's a gay joke, ffs.

Does anyone have that pic of that manga where they make fun of western manga readers and call them perverts? In japan the concept of having ANY interest in ANYTHING foreign is HEAVILY stigmatized and they see foreigners who like japanese things as foolish. THAT'S what Sodom is making fun of. It has NOTHING to do with America.

>>2271820
I wish more weeaboos were as badass as Sodom.

>>2271734
they're set in the same universe though and originally final fight was going to be the sequel to the first street fighter.

>>2271424
EX2+ really is such a fun game.

No idea how well balanced it is, but I'm legitimately surprised it's not more fondly remembered.

>>2271824
Isn't Geese a weaboo too?

>>2271820

>dumbass
>THAT'S what Sodom is making fun of. It has NOTHING to do with America.

Calm down a bit.

I think a lot of the humor regarding Sodom is about how he is obsessed with Japan (mostly regarding martial arts and japanese culture, not anime and manga) but he can't properly write in japanese (for example the kanji he uses on his outfit, or how he writes "Sodomu" on his truck, they all have grammatical errors). They make fun of him for that, the paradox of being obsessed with japan but not being able to properly speak japanese. I don't think they believe every foreigner who likes Japan is foolish. Sodom just happens to be american and he has that weird awesome samurai/football outfit/armor.

I've also seen several people claim Sodom is homosexual, but is there any actual source for that?
I get that "Sodom" might be a reference to the biblical cities of sodom and gomorrah, but I don't think that automatically makes him a gay character.

>>2271946
>I get that "Sodom" might be a reference
yeah, a reference to sodomy aka anal sex

>>2271824
>Sodom
>even close to being badass
See pic related and >>2271907 for gaijin being genuinely badass without even embarrassing themselves.

>>2271824
>Sodom
>even close to being badass
See pic related and >>2271907 for gaijin being genuinely badass while not being embarassing.

>captcha: pick a suhi picture

>>2271967
Yeah I get the reference, but is there any official saying about his actual sexuality or it's just fan speculation?

>>2271967
Can't a straight man prefer asses?

>>2271820
that's what happens when you get your culture from 4chan, you think the entire world is racist

>>2271987
There isn't any sort of official statement on it.

In all likelihood, they named him that because they thought the word sounded cool.

But everything is just baseless speculation.

>>2272020

Out of all the countries to defend over alleged racism, you choose Japan.

>>2272041

That's what I thought, they probably think Sodom sounds dreadful, rather than kinky.

Does anyone here recall the name of the 3D fighting game for N64 having a man dressed in a red armor on the cover? I played this game a lot in the past and I remember it had pretty nice graphics, despite being much less violent and cruent than Killer Instinct. Two of the main characters of this game are a bald man with a bo and a samurai (as I recall this samurai is really strong, because his combos are just insane)

>>2272118

Mace: the dark age

As for retro fighters two that weren't mentioned yet and are fighting great examples.
Weapon Lord and Gundam Wing Endless Duel.
Weapon Lord is a violent 2D precursor to Soul Calibur more or less its also metal as fuck.

Gundam Wing Endless Duel is a jap only game that is fucking great even if you didn't watch the show although most of the recognizable gundams are there.
This is also one of the smoothest fighters I've ever played from any era which is pretty impressive since while I enjoyed almost all the fighting games most felt a little stiff.,

>>2272134
Thank you mate.

>>2272151

Endless Duel is great, and also worth mentioning is Power Rangers: Fighting Edition which was basically a proto-endless duel only released in the west and not in Japan.

QUICK POST YOUR FAVORITE FIGHTAN GAME SONGS

>>2272284
Garou: Mark of the Wolves - Spread The Wings (Rock Howard theme)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC5ca6Hsb2Q

>>2271070
>what's wrong with her head?

>>2270545

>>2271039
There's no such thing as "priority"

>>2271190
He's top tier in Alpha 3

This. The AI in just about every fighting game will read your inputs.

The very frame you input an attack in, the AI knows, and they can respond with a faster attack. There is no priority, they simply attacked you first.

They don't do this all the time, obviously, but it can happen with a very high degree of frequency.

And while we're on the subject, the AI also isn't hindered by having to input motions to use attacks. So while you might be able to tell if someone is charging, or about to use a super when you're fighting a human, the AI can just whip out whatever move instantly.

Fighting game AI is infamously cheap, and overall very poorly designed. And it hasn't changed much at all because there's simply no one clamoring for better fighting game AI.

Some games aren't too bad though. But SF2? One of the worst offenders.

>>2272404
you mean any MK and SNKS fighting games?

>>2272404
Have you seen SF II Super Turbo?
It's ridiculously hard even on the lowest levels because the AI reads everything you do and counters you.

>>2272385
Not him and not in street fighter but in mk there is. If p1 is the same character as p2 and they both do the same move the p1 side will hit.

>>2272448
not to mention if dhalsim or zangief headlock you there goes all your life

>>2272434
Damn near every fighting game reads inputs.

Capcom fighters are no exception. Anime fighters. 3D fighters.

Hell, even Smash Bros.

SNK fighters add a bunch of other bullshit on top of that. Like being able to spam certain moves, moves that have zero recovery, moves that are plus on block, supers that start up instantly, etc.

>>2271369
Dan is the only reason to play street fighter.
All other reasons are inferior.

>>2272385
Are you fucking kidding me with this shit?

>>2272936
Are you a fucking retard?

Priority doesn't exist you are just shit and have no idea how fighting games work.

>Some people assume that the moves in Street Fighter have a mysterious 'priority', meaning there's some way the game decides which moves win out if they're both done at nearly the same time, but in reality everything is based off the location of your hit boxes.

>If you stick out an attack that connects with your opponent's Hittable Box near the same time they stick out an attack that also connects with your blue boxes, your attacks will 'trade hits'.
http://www.eventhubs.com/guides/2009/sep/18/guide-understanding-hit-boxes-street-fighter/

>>2270501
(incomplete list)

My favorite fighters are capcom fighters. Street Fighter iss overall the best fighter, it's the sweet spot between fun/simplicity and depth/skill ceiling. Marvel vs capcom is a geat derivative, although infinite combos are bullshit. Powerstone 3 needs to happen because it could easily compete for Smash bros as best party fighter.

Next is Smash bros. it's a fighter and a damn fun one at that.

Namco fighters are cool, it's easier for someone who knows nothing to win but still requires skill.

SNK fighters are rad, but at mostly they're just street fighter with a smaller following and more complicated inputs which disincentives anyone to put too much time in.

Mortal Kombat is pretty lame, I'll play it tho.

>>2271070
Third Strike is definitely more aesthetically plesing (Dat Soundtrack). Would a hand drawn 2D fighter be cheaper to make? I feel like Capcom could easily reboot Darkstalkers this way.

>>2273823
>Would a hand drawn 2D fighter be cheaper to make?
Only if it looks like Cave Story or Mega Man 9

>>2273814
Hugo reminds me of Tommy Wiseau.

>>2273814
>Greg
You just made my day anon

>>2273823
No, hand drawing sprites (especially ones as well animated as SF3) is much more complicated, time consuming and expensive.

>>2273814
smash bros is not a fighting game

>>2273814
>SNK
>complicated inputs
eh, the only remotely complicated thing is db,hcb,df, and that's only on Geese, most other inputs are pretty normal

The big difference with SNK's fighters is the mobility options -- Fatal Fury's line switching, KOF's rolls and hops, that sort of thing, and in later games (eg, 2002 onward), extensive cancel options.

How do you folks find the first Guilty Gear?

>>2274001
Its shit

>>2274001
I like it a lot, but much like the first BlazBlue, it isn't balanced and is looked down upon by most of the fanbase.

>>2274001
because of u thanks

>>2274001
Why play that version? I liked when it came out, but it wasn't until it appeared on the DC that anyone actually started playing it.

I used to main Venom.

>>2274001
it's a neat first attempt and it has an amazing soundtrack but that's about it
it's not actually good a good fighting game

>This entire thread
/vr/ can't fight for shit

>>2273832
I think he's based on Andre the giant.

>>2274180
He is. His Final Fight name is Andore for that reason.

>>2272020
Japan is actually well known to be relatively xenophobic. East Asia as a whole is like this.

I'm not saying it's right but it it's just a fact that anti-racism only thrives in the west.

>>2273871

i've heard this so many times but i want to know how this can be true. i can understand the time consumption of hand drawing detail sprites but more expensive? aren't most modern 3D games made by an army of thousands of programers? weren't most 2D games back in the day made by a handful of people? i would think the sheer amount you'd have to pay all those people to map out those fancy 3D models would be more than the cost of the 2D computer engineer slave

>>2271190

He is actually my main choice in Alpha 2.

And I thought that SF most hated character was Ingrid.

>>2274192
She barely counts. Most people wouldn't even remember Ingrid unless they actually somehow liked CFJ or played A3 Max on psp a lot (But you're right, fuck Ingrid, she sucks)

My most hated character is this walldiving piece of shit

>>2270501
Just picked up Skullgirls, its actually a pretty fun game, playing Beowulf/Squiggly.

Bloody Roar 3 will always be my favorite fighting game though i am also fond of the Alpha and Vampire games, SF4 is meh but the new characters are pretty fun and iv spent a lot of time on it recently since most people i know also play it.

There's an awesome bootleg sf2ce cab in chicago @ the emporium on milwaukee. Mah favorite game of all time.

>>2274242
is that the one that lets you throw unlimited hadoukens in the air and swap characters with the start button and shit? that version is relatively popular in the 3rd world

>>2274251
>>2274242

vid related to those who never heard of it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42AzKt46lAA

>>2274251
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dhBdm9I5SQ
this thing here

https://www.youtube.com/user/ImbuedGold
THis channel has a lot of competetive fighting game footage from many older fighters

Also has anyone played pic related? I liked it

Charlie > Guile

This is my opinion

>>2274191
If it had "retro" graphics maybe it would be more feasible, but HD hand-drawn art running at Skullgirls framerates with a gazillion moves per character takes fucking forever, way longer than throwing some models and animations together. It's the same way with animated TV/movies.

>>2274219
>SF4 is meh but the new characters are pretty fun and iv spent a lot of time on it recently since most people i know also play it.
No wonder the FGC is always so bitter, they have to play games they hate because they're the only thing anyone plays

>>2270545
ready to slash dat ass

>>2274208
Who's Ingrid?
What kind of niche does she fill?

>>2274760
gothic lolita one

all you scrubs play the commercial stuff because you can't master shaqfu.

>>2271182
>2D fighters which is beloved type of game in my eyes.
>doesn't know sodoms moves

>>2271216
Pretty good and underrated game. Preston Ajax fights with wires and bombs and manages to look absolutely nothing like Doctrine Dark.
But they ripped off Ryo Sakazaki's moves for Tetsuo Kato.

>>2275053
Also, Vold Ignitio, possibly the boss with the strangest moves ever, is Dudley's FATHER! Same design.
Fighting Layer was produced by Arika, and Arika is formed by Capcom ex-employees.

I can't reliably land Iori's third rekka in '98. Any tips?

>>2275087
do finger stretches and warm ups

>>2273719
Typically it's true that there's no actual "priority" value in the game, that it' just a matter of one move having better hitboxes than another. However, there are some games that actually do have a priority system in their code. Third Strike being one example. In that game, a higher strength move will beat out a weaker one (Light<Medium<Hard<Special, etc.) even if both characters' hitboxes are overlapping each others hurtboxes simultaneously. Alpha 3 also has a similar system where stronger moves can beat out weaker ones, but strangely enough there's also random chance involved. Meaning sometimes a light and a hard will trade, other times the hard will beat out the light.

>>2274760
The King of Fighters reject.

>>2274760
Bullshit teen girl with magic powers niche

>>2274208
Vega main here. Stay salty. If he's playable in a Street Fighter game, I'm maining him.

>>2275542
>Spanish ninja that wears a mask to protect his pretty face
seriously what were Capcom smoking when they came up with this design

>>2275545
Evidently, Vega(US) and Blanka were likely the first two designs they came up with for Street Fighter II. They really went all out.

>>2275545
Vega/balrog has a great backstory and design. He is probably my favorite sf character but I suck at using him.

>>2275551
Footsies, footsies, footsies. And if they turtle up, add some throws to the mix. Know the range on all of your moves. That is the key to being good with Vega.

Except in Super Turbo. Just walldive your ass off in that game.

>>2275545

What the fuck. 1 and 2 are so much better than what we ended up with.

>>2270529
It honestly depends on which 2d fighter you have the most interest in learning or picking up. Each have a variety of systems that drastically change the way to play

>>2270545
She's tons of fun, I love just double jumping and stuffing any approach with j.mp it's great

I wish I was better at VS though because the has really hard combos

>>2275545
The "Spanish Ninja" part was director Akira Nishitani, and one of the artists (last name Kageyama, don't know first name but apparently she's a woman) did the rest.

>>2275545
>metal mask and claw
You see a lot of those

I'm guessing they all plagiarized the same manga

>>2276284

You mean that villain from Hokuto no Ken?

I remember I saw a scan of it but I don't have it with me.

>>2271216

SF5 Charlie makes me think of Rugal more.

>>2270535
What game?

>>2270529
pirate skullgirls and do the tutorial

>>2272063
You guys are all stupid idiots. All of you who are saying that Sodom was given his name either to make fun of faggots, or due to biblical connotations are wrong. Sodom was named after the German thrash metal band, many other characters in the final fight series were named after bands ( ex."Poison" and "Roxy" like the shitty glam bands, "Damnd" after The Damned, Axl and slash etc etc.) Those gooks just thought it would be cool to name character in their game. after their favorite band

>>2275538
Does anyone play this? I wish they had made a sequel, obviously it needs to be balanced. Seems like a shame to let all that character art go to waste.

>>2276296
you mean jagi?

>>2276678
Mah niggah

>>2276716
Dude, the gooks in the 80's fucking loved Sodom. check out a scan from the Yu-yu Hakusho manga (incidentally "iron fist" was a motorhed song sodom covered)

>>2276746
notice the similarity?

>>2276748
Just a gas mask, not like the band invented that.

As for the name, Japan just likes anal sex. tbh I'm surprised there isn't a character named "Tentakuru Reipu".

Oh wait.

>>2276773
>mars people
I dont get it.

Did anyone else find the Genesis SFII to be almost unplayable competitively? The fact that you had to press start to switch attacks was annoying. I love sega but man did they have shitty controllers.

>>2277079
you had to buy a 6pad, mang
Pretty sure they changed it in the super edition, the longer you held the button stronger move would come out

>>2277079
unless you are strongly nostalgic there's no reason to play the 16 bit ports
SF2 was ported to everything

>>2270545

>>2276710
I liked the first one more, it felt faster and Rave > Beast Drives.

>>2270545

EAT A BURRITO!~

>>2276795
http://metalslug.wikia.com/wiki/Mars_People