/vr/ - Retro Games

===NEWS===

[03-01] Romero on CNN: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/doomworld-news/71883-john-romero-talks-doom-on-cnn/

[02-26] Unloved is back, but not as a Doom mod: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1347196

[02-24] Uplink, a four-map Boom set themed around technology: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/71350-uplink-boom-mapset-3-maps-and-a-half-so-far-huge-update/

[02-18] Just GZDoom, a GZDoom-focused community mapset: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=47895

[02-14] Instagram/#Selfie Doom: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1344760

[02-07] Valiant, a 32-map megawad for MBF-compatible ports, by skillsaw: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1342825

[02-01] 50 monsters E1: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/71625-50-monsters-e1/

[01-30] Hocus Doom update: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18675596/Doomstuff/hocusdoom-01-24-15.pk3

[01-29] Eriance retires, releases all remaining Demon Eclipse resources: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=809621#p809621 https://www.dropbox.com/s/5cyq8ainn1knnd7/DEHEv01.rar?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/oh965ifww68270z/DEHE-RES.rar?dl=0

[01-26] You can finally upload stuff to /idgames again, seems like Ty took care of the issue.

[01-26] Devs Play feat. Romero http://www.doomworld.com/vb/doomworld-news/71519-devs-play-doom/

[01-26] Mythbusters does Doom http://www.doomworld.com/vb/doomworld-news/71568-have-you-seen-my-chainsaw/

[01-26] /newstuff Chronicles 472: http://www.doomworld.com/php/topstory.php?id=4329

[01-23] Russian Overkill v2.3 update: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=809099#p809099

[01-22] 3 heures d'agonie 3 has been launched a few days ago, no information on how many maps have been done so far. This time rules are a little more strict and a certain quality standart is required to improvave the wad's global quality.

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Please reply to this post with news.

>>2266382
>>doesnt actually retire, or returns very shortly afterwards.

I'm still waiting for NMNPaul to return

Any day now...

Could anybody help me? I'm having issues with PrBoom+ where it'll drop in framerate when I'm running it with a resolution of 1920x1080 with uncapped framerate.

GOD TIER
Chocolate Doom
Boom
Crispy Doom

Great Tier
Eternity Engine
PrBoom+

Good Tier
Zdoom
MBF
3DGE
SMMU

Meh Tier
Zandronum
Zdeamon

Shit Tier
Odamex

>>2270176
you forgot Doom Retro

>>2270180
>implying anyone uses that

>>2270183

>implying fucking anyone uses SMMU, 3DGE, MBF and Eternity too

What maps make the best use of Project MSX's movement options? I've tried Hellbound, but the first couple stages didn't feel very good; too constricted for my liking.

>>2270176
nah

>>2270176
nah

>>2270176
Why use any of those besides Choc (for Doom), ZDoom (for mods) and Z& (for dm/survival/invasion)?

>>2270193
Hellcore 2.0 is fun to jump around in, as well as Scythe 2.

>>2270216
PrBoom+ is limit removing and doesn't choke on large maps like ZDoom. I prefer it over Choco

>>2270216
PrBoom+ for limit-removing and demo playback/recording (plus uncapped framerate, complevels, and higher res while retaining a vanilla style)

Eternity for portals

Odamex because it's actually really good and I'm sad not many people use it

>>2270249
>and I'm sad not many people use it

because its audience is a niche.

deathmatching, whether it is with mods or not, is not the most frequent game mode these days.

what's so hard to understand about that?

Was there ever a Doom wad that was based on F.E.A.R. or at least, had a scary girl in it?

Not Ghouls Forest 3

>TSP has the mag grapple, a skill to pull enemies in
>GMOTA has the grappler to pull monsters on
>demonsteele is getting a sheath hookshot
>all have swords
>all have plans for extra characters

COINCIDENCE. I THINK NOT.

obviously they're all made by the same person.

>>2270301
Terminus, MartyKirra and Kegan are all friends and chat on Skype frequently.
Terminus and Scroton have supplied code or coding help to all three mods.
Similarities are not surprising.

>>2270305

I think it's interesting how each fill a niche:

Demonsteele has metal influence and DMC-ish style meter building, built upon a retro game foundation

GMOTA's got a heavy SNES arcade brawler theme

And TSP is heavily influenced by half life 3 because it's never coming out

Seriously though I love the sci fi setting and kung fu moves

>>2270318
:(
I laughed

>>2270301
>all have plans for extra characters
demonsteele's extra characters are firmly in the "would be nice" category, iirc

still would be down with it, though

>>2270324

It's okay Marty. I like you bro.

Looking forward to the golden pistol

>>2270301
>Everyone uses grappling hooks
>I never ever use the grappling hooks because their hit detection is always wonky at best outside of Mag Grapple
>Prefer to just rush in anyways

I just don't see the point of it.
Espeically so in Demonsteele when your movement is so fast that you can get in on anything shooting at you with just one jump dash. Not to mention dem sword waves.

And in TSP you have guns and melee doesn't hurt enough to focus on it
And in GMOTA? More fun to arc axes while closing the distance. Or lances.

I'm sure I'm doing something wrong with it but it feels so forced when I try to pull enemies in general.

>>2270318
so GMOTA plans to run at 15 fps when there are more than 2 enemies on screen?

>>2270337

To be fair the grappler was an item from GMOTA's early days. I don't think I could remove it honestly

>>2270338

Yes. If possible I want all of the sprites to flicker like a mother fucker for that authentic experience

>>2270301
The reason TSP takes so long to release is that Term is too busy actually being Kegan and working on GMOTA, but Term can't also be Marty Kirra at the same time while also being Terminus and Kegan.

>>2270337
I will say TSP does have melee stun states and a quick switch. What could I do to make melee more of a focus? The mod will always have fancy guns and what not, but I do like punching things.

I actually want Imps and Hell Knights to be able to whiff melee attacks, so that'll probably be getting added in. Nothing like punching an Imp, dodging, then getting a fireball to the face.

>>2270343
I'm not judging the quality of the grappling hooks.
I just don't really feel natural using them and since they aren't instant like the Mag Grapple it feels even more awkward.

It's just everyone has quite a lot of ways to get in to deal their killing moves.
And pulling an enemy just feels really awkward to me.

Like out of everything I've used in gameplay mods the pulling stuff is the one that feels janky.

>>2270353

Yeah. I can see that, I don't use the grappler often in GMOTA either, and I LOVE hookshots, I think overhauling it or replacing it would be a real bad idea because Christ almighty I need to show a little self control there.

That said I could always tweak it slightly in some way

You guys should just rename it the GMOTA general thread.

>>2270350
I actually use the push and sling a lot more than I use the grapple, because getting to guys to punch them is less of an issue than getting away from a group or spreading guys apart. The exception is if there's a clump of guys then I'll use it to pull one out at a time to beat him while using them as a meatshield from the others in the group.

Also holy shit the faster fireballs on the imps make groups of them murder now.

>>2270368
I'll keep this in mind, I don't hear a lot of feedback on the melee and the grapple/push mechanics these days, so I think I'll focus on that tonight.

I think enemies are really aggressive in general now, it's something Scroton and I will need to look over. Maybe I need to bring out the nerf hammer.

>>2270372
I actually like it that way, please don't nerf them.

>>2270361
Bro.
It should stun for a short time when the monster comes back.
As it is, the grapple makes fighting hell knights so much fun.

>>2270350
I guess I don't really find Melee as a focus too much in TSP because something like say.. Buckshot hurts way more than the fists ever feel like they can.

Maybe make finishing moves for combos hurt more and have some special properties? I also don't feel too much incentive to do combos out of doing the PPPKPPPK loop since finishers are kind of pointless.
PPPKK, PPPP, PPKPPK.. all take the same number of hits to kill a Hellknight. This really needs to be worked on.

You can also make each hit feel stronger as you go further along in a combo.
Or like.. I don't know maybe gauntlets with charge attacks or something.

I am assuming the sword will basically become the definitive melee choice since ideally it should hurt more and have combos.

Just to clarify it's not the combo system itself that's the issue.
Everything just feels like a series of 1 though, so all that really matters is what racks up the number of hits faster.

It's not like DMC1(As an example) where the standard three hit combo did a sequence of 1-2-3 with the third hit having knockback, or the standard five hit combo was a 1-2(Pause) 3-3(Pause) 4.

Using GMOTA as an example, the punch combo is very basic(Only a 1-2-3-4) but each hit feels different from one another outside of visuals due to how it works(2 hits harder, 3 has a pause at the start and hits even harder, 4 has an AoE and large knockback)
And you really really feel the difference if you just drain your stamina and do only 1s.

>>2270301

SHIT, HE FIGURED US OUT

>>2270337
>>2270353

The big problem with this is how much of Loreshot is native behavior. It's not fastprojectile, so at higher speeds it moves [speed] amount of units every tic, which sometimes allows it to just bypass enemies completely.
It's not really feasible to rewrite the Loreshot attack, and it's not really customizable, so it's really kind of...for lack of a better word, squishy.

>>2270375
WELL FINE GEEZE. But I do still need to look into hitscanners so...yeah!

>>2270378
So would combo enders dealing stronger push back and damage be the best way to go about making it feel better? I already wanted to give them some more pushback/death properties like the uppercut has, maybe this combined with higher damage scaling and some visual tweaks could help make melee feel better.

Anything to make punching dudes feel better.

>>2270378 again

>>2270372
Do not nerf enemies too much if at all.
Standard Doom demons have a pretty noticeable pause and rhythm to their attacks and if you're fighting a horde of enemies then chances are you're probably going to want to bust out some heavy firepower(Unless the sword is going to be THAT good)

You could toss in new enemies like what GMOTA guy is doing though, or you can remix enemies like what Demonsteele does with it's enemies.

The important thing is to make them fun to fight.

>>2270387
>>2270372
>>2270350

Imo the biggest problem holding TSP back is that you're trying to have your cake and eat it, too.
GMOTA and Demonsteele work because they focus emphatically on melee, and all of the enemy behaviors, encounters, and etc are adjusted around accommodating that. Demonsteele's enemies all have indicators saying they're gonna attack and you need to dodge. GMOTA's enemies focus on getting in close to you.

TSP, though, uh...well, you're trying to make guns super fun. And then you're trying to make melee super intricate. And both of them are at the complete opposite spectrum of gameplay styles, especially in first-person, and the enemies aren't really designed around either. You've got shitscanners, long-range enemies, fast enemies, all designed for traditional gunfights, and then you've got this super-intricate melee system that isn't really designed for handling them. But if you adjust the enemies to accommodate a melee focus, then the gunplay is going to suffer quite a bit for it.

Basically, TSP doesn't seem like a melee mod at all, it's just got an extremely in-depth system that's maybe inspired by Tekken? But there's not a whole lot of reason to actually use it.
And that's not even getting into how much I hate dial-a-combo melee.

>>2270387
>So would combo enders dealing stronger push back and damage be the best way to go about making it feel better?
This would help a lot and add substance to the combo system.
Like I said right now(As of latest test version) there's not much of a reason to not do the looping infinite combo.
The player does not really miss anything by not doing finishers and since every hit hurts the same amount(Even though I see two blood splatters on some attacks) it doesn't feel like I have a reason to branch out.

By taking say.. The standard three kick combo and making the last hit have some pushback and extra damage(Maybe a heavier sound for it too) suddenly it sticks out as a move for crowd control and enemies getting pushed back makes it feel stronger.
Things like that really adds a lot.
Maybe PPPKK can cause a slightly longer flinch to lead to more damage and have a snappy sound to it to let the knee into kick feel better.
These are just examples though but the idea is that finishers have a practical use and there is more incentive to go for them.
You could also turn the PPPKPPPP into a proper sort of rapidfire punch deal.

Bringing up GMOTA again, I use fists over the sword entirely because the punches feel great. Punches 3 and 4? Favorite things.
The sword is good too and the sounds are as well but I really like the punch sounds and how it feels to knock enemies back with them.

I got webm for retards because the command line was starting to get to me.
It works well.

Recently made some buffs to the guns, they were extremely weak feeling (save for the Nightmare Omega, that thing wrecks shit).

>>2270176
wow look how patrician

i bet you play keyboard only you refined-tasted snowflake you

>>2270176
You forgot GZDoom

>>2270225
Oh right. I don't often play anything rediculous like planisphere 2, so I never run into those problems. No slaughtermap's ever lagged on my machine even in ZDoom.

>>2270176
>Boom above PrBoom+

But literally no one uses Boom.exe anymore. Most modern "boom-compatible" wads won't even work on it, because of requiring higher limits, and/or ability to use sky transfers, both of which PrBoom+ can do.

>Eternity so high

Too bad theres virtually no mods for Eternity, and is actually behind even PrBoom+ in certain features. Theres not much reason to use it normally, honestly.

>Zandronum so low

I'm guessing you don't multiplayer?

>>2270415
Nice! I haven't come to /Doom/ for a while now, what did I miss? A score-based Psychic modification? Are you Xaser?

I reallly like GMOTA's hookshot a lot, and i use it all the time.

Never change hookshot. I love you.

>>2270398
Hitscanners could shoot out WW-Nazis projectiles maybe?
Or replace them with demons like what Shut Up and Bleed did?

Then maybe stronger demons can have faster projectiles or something.

>>2270116
Why is that kid giving the chair a blowjob?

>>2270376

Stunning huh? Hmm....

>>2270469
Actually testing it now you really need to do something about those guys with the white pistols.

Those guys are ridiculously fast.

>>2270494
They're supposed to be the elite class zombies, but they do need a nerf. They should spawn less now but I can slow them down a bit.

>>2270494
What about if instead of nerfing their speed, their AI got better and they were better at circle-strafing the player?

>>2270487
>chair

>>2270453

The hookshot loves you too. I'll never remove it. But giving it a buff might be cool

>>2270497
>Melee focus in mod
>Enemies way too fast to melee
This can be an issue for a SHOTGUN GUY replacement.

I got the latest version on Github and I have to say, it's pretty hard to melee zombies and imps.

But Hell Knights/Barons are kind of easy to melee when isolated.

Maybe the threat level of enemies should be switched up because zombies are surprisingly capable.

>>2270487

>>2270437
I wish. But Xaser did give me permission to show off and release my modification.
I've added a score system with ranks (that give you bonuses to health, psi power, and money when you achieve them), balance modifications, some graphical tweaks, and soon some more promenent features.

>>2270510
That guy is actually a normal zombie replacement as well as a shotgun guy replacement.

The barons and knights have only had a tiny bit of the changes planned for them enacted; right now they just call a a_chase more frequently and throw intercepting projectiles.

>>2270520
Well that guy that replaces two zombies once in awhile is pretty tough.
He could at least drop some slight healing here and there to make up for his fighting power.

But for Barons and Hell Knights they do not really get much of a chance to fight back if isolated.
They're pretty slow and vulnerable to being punched and kicked all day.

I just figure if melee is kind of made to be a focus then lighter enemies should be reasonably meleeable with tougher enemies requiring more firepower.

But I am only viewing it from a melee perspective.
The guns and stuff feel fine and work pretty well for gunning enemies down.

>>2270525
There's also an Action Doom style mode planned with projectiles rather than hitscanners.

What about buffing the melee a bunch? Like extra AOE attacks, dashes, and also more damage in general?

Also any feedback on the beam thing? How well does it work as a BFG replacement? I only ask in particular cause there's been no word, bad or good, on it yet.

>>2270542
Melee does need some pretty hefty buffs regardless of projectile focus for enemies or hitscanners.

I will test out the beam weapon right now for you.
Any sort of map style you're looking for results on in particular?
Like slaughtermaps or standard Doom levels? Or just stuff that's made to kick your ass like Plutonia?

Needs a charging sound or at least an audio cue for max charge by the way

>>2270550
Also it does not really need AOE attacks everywhere but something like the roundhouse kick finisher(PPK) could have a bit of a cone radius and such.

It feels weaker than the pistol right now and that's a really good way to discourage melee outside of ammo conservation.

>>2270517
Sweet! Is there a beta release yet?

>>2270576
Yeah, but I'm probably going to finish up another release that will have much more soon.

>>2270550
Take your pic of maps; whatever you'd normally play on that would use the BFG. And it will get sounds for charging and so forth when it gets sprites and otherwise gets finished.

>>2270593
*pick

>>2270592
Cool

>>2270515
Anon this is a Christian imageboard

>>2270542
>Also any feedback on the beam thing? How well does it work as a BFG replacement? I only ask in particular cause there's been no word, bad or good, on it yet.

Okay well I decided to test it on Whitemare 2 map 28. Where it gets pretty slaughtery.
Then I just skipped to the hordes of enemies.

This is what I found.
>Beam is very inconsistent with damage(One shotted a Cyberdemon at one point. Took 8 full charges on another. Sometimes Revenants and Cacodemons will survive direct hits but other times it can 2-3 of them)
>Beam is inconsistent with tracking enemies between one another(Tends to bump into walls which dissipates the beam instantly or just stops after a certain amount of enemies at what feels like random)
>Plasma takes 2 cells but it feels like it's weaker than the plasma rifle's single shot
>Sometimes it just flies off into the air and never hits anything but 1-2 enemies.
>Sometimes it just rams into walls for no reason
For the most part it feels random.

I like the concept of the beam but maybe you could make it so it bounces off walls instead of breaking right then and there?
The tracking needs work.

In very large open areas it works a little better but if there's any sort of wall or cramped space it quickly stops being worth the 40 cell investment.

>>2270593
>>2270606 again
I also play on all sorts of level sets so really I was just asking to see how well it should be performing.

I tested another level with really really cramped packs of enemies in an open space and it can kill around 18-21 Imps per 40 cells.
Which seems fine.
Kills 2-3 barons at a time per 40 cells if they're packed together.

How does the beam work exactly? It's hard to point out what's wrong with it besides obvious glaring faults like ramming into walls

Can someone post the link for the psychic modification beta pls

>>2270415
Now in sexy 60FPS.
Added new sword animations after a long absence of there not being a sword.
There are also new sounds (provided by terminus) which I haven't actually added to the sword yet, and I still need to make alt. swing animations.

>>2270627
doubelposting is fun
I think this is the last one I posted here.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/263088376/m-xa-psych-2.pk3
But this is the latest one I have in my dropbox.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/263088376/m-xa-psych-6c.pk3

huuuuuge s/o to @doom_txt for picking up the story. ed, i know you're reading this, you're the man.

https://twitter.com/doom_txt/status/559084848124817409

>>2270606
>>2270621
>Beam is very inconsistent with damage(One shotted a Cyberdemon at one point.
That's actually a bug, it shouldn't be able to one shot the cyberdemon or spidermastermind, I think I forgot to adjust the amount of time they stay ghosts after a shot when I last changed some stuff around. The idea behind it is lots of damage to groups of enemies or even groups of toughies so long as it has more than one enemy to jump between. Deals massive damage at higher charges in the explosion, so if you want to one shot an archie you can aim it near the archie and hit it that way, but the radius damage won't affect bosses.

>Beam is inconsistent with tracking enemies between one another(Tends to bump into walls which dissipates the beam instantly or just stops after a certain amount of enemies at what feels like random)
>Sometimes it just flies off into the air and never hits anything but 1-2 enemies.
>Sometimes it just rams into walls for no reason
>The tracking needs work.
The way it works is the amount of "jumps" the beam can do is dependent upon the charges it has. At the max charge it can jump 20 times. At the last charge it has (or if it doesn't have any enemies in sight) it veers off in a random direction and hits a wall. The damage it deals per jump does not increase when charged, but the explosion does.
I'll improve the tracking--give the shooter a couple more tics to find stuff and maybe make what it shoots a hitscan like the one fired by the player.

Should I remove the last shot veering off in a random direction? The idea behind it was that it doesn't get stopped by enemies and only dies on map architecture, and also if the shot dies right when it hits something it's probably wasted since whatever it hit should've died or isn't eligible to be targeted again, but I can make it explode where it last hit rather than how it behaves now if it would be better and/or make more sense to the player.

(continued)

>>2270654
>>2270606
>>2270621
>Plasma takes 2 cells but it feels like it's weaker than the plasma rifle's single shot
It's actually dealing 1 point of damage less than twice the damage of a plasma shot. The idea behind it was that since it's a secondary fire on the bfg weapon it shouldn't replace the plasma gun tier weapon entirely in all circumstances, but still be useful. So it's slightly less cell efficient than the plasma and also slightly inaccurate so it's not great for hitting enemies at a distance, but quicker/easier to switch to mid-fire than another weapon and has higher DPS than the plasma.
Did it go too far in nerfing it? Should I remove the cell inefficiency or the inaccuracy? Is it a problem with the sound or the laser graphic or otherwise just with the feel of it?

>I like the concept of the beam but maybe you could make it so it bounces off walls instead of breaking right then and there?

The reason I didn't give it the ability to bounce off of walls was fear of players being able to clear out entire rooms sight-unseen by shooting full charges around corners. Is the fear inaccurate/not worth gimping it over? The other thing is the hitting walls randomly was an intentional thing, so it shouldn't actually do that if has any enemies it can see or still has charge left.

(explaining how it works now, posting in a bit)

>>2270621
>How does the beam work exactly? It's hard to point out what's wrong with it besides obvious glaring faults like ramming into walls

The charges equate to amount of times it can jump and the damage doesn't increase with charge, only the # of jumps, except for the explosion at the end. When it doesn't have any charge left or it doesn't find a target it veers off into a random direction, usually hitting a wall.

When the beam hits, it spawns a friendly monster that quickly looks around (has +LOOKALLAROUND and +ALWAYSFAST) for a target to shoot and fires a projectile at it. It prioritizes targets closer to it (so if you shoot it into a group it doesn't veer off and aim at a guy way far away before hitting the rest of the targets in the group) but if it can't find any close to it will shoot at anything it can see.

The beam itself is not the projectile; that's actually spawned by a script after the projectile(or, in the case of the player, the hitscan) hits something. It's a Bezier curve that curves between the last location a beam actor was spawned at (approximately where the firer is) and where the projectile hit something. In the case of the player it starts from a dummy item spawned at firing so it looks like it's originating from the gun.

YO, BROS, CAREFUL OUT THERE

Some faggot has taken to hosting servers with popular mods and filling it up with a whole ton of fake players with usernames of /vr/ players.
Problem being this server has sv_pure turned off and hosts modified versions of the popular mods that run a shitton of ConsoleCommand bullshit that corrupts the fuck out of your Zandro .ini or, in the worst case scenario, can BSOD you.

BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT SERVERS YOU JOIN.
So far, we know 107.4.126.136 is one such server--avoid it at all costs, no matter what it's playing or who is supposedly inside. But that's only one server, a few others have been up.

So you actually pay attention to this post, here's some boobs.

>>2270673
Oh sweet, boobs-oh wait, there's a post attached to them.

That's super goofy, any idea who it could be?

>>2270678
107.4.126.136 is an arizona ip
that's about all i can guess

>>2270673
Is it me, or does it seem like someone really has it out for 4chan lately?

>>2270634
Cant make it run for some reason, I updated my gzdoom and also tried to run it with the original psychic pk3 but it trows an error

>>2270654
>so if you want to one shot an archie you can aim it near the archie and hit it that way, but the radius damage won't affect bosses.
But sometimes it won't kill Revenants on direct hits.
It's really inconsistent for some reason.

>Should I remove the last shot veering off in a random direction?
This would be good. Having it explode at the end would also prevent any confusion as to why it hits walls.

>>2270656
>Should I remove the cell inefficiency or the inaccuracy? Is it a problem with the sound or the laser graphic or otherwise just with the feel of it?
Remove the inaccuracy or at least tone it down so it isn't a point blank weapon. It felt like it was less efficient because I wasn't thinking it was 2 cells for 2 plasma balls value and just saw it enemies at what felt like inefficiency.
The sounds are alright and the lasers look nice.

>The other thing is the hitting walls randomly was an intentional thing, so it shouldn't actually do that if has any enemies it can see or still has charge left.
This happens regardless at many times.

>The reason I didn't give it the ability to bounce off of walls was fear of players being able to clear out entire rooms sight-unseen by shooting full charges around corners. Is the fear inaccurate/not worth gimping it over?
Since the beam apparently has a set number of jumps anyways and it takes 40 cells it doesn't seem too unreasonable for corner shots to be allowed. Would it be possible to make a wall bounce take a jump? That would balance it out a bit wouldn't it?

>>2270689
It's stand-alone, and requires a recent devbuild.
http://devbuilds.drdteam.org/gzdoom/

>>2270689
>but it trows an error
pls to be helping by posting error acquired

>>2270692 again
Also to add to
>Since the beam apparently has a set number of jumps anyways and it takes 40 cells it doesn't seem too unreasonable for corner shots to be allowed
Having it with at least a wall bounce or two would prevent it from being wasted because the laser chose to go after something and miss it entirely.
It happens pretty often from what I'm testing right now.
But maybe I have bad luck, no idea.

>>2270362
You could make a mod and post it here and see how it becomes the new thing but have a warning, don't make it a community project. See CyberPunkass shootdown, no updates since who knows when.

>>2270693
Worked! Thanks!

>>2270716

too soon, man.

>>2270193
Deus Vult 2, probably. It's even used in the trailer.
I played it with BTSX like some other anons and I enjoyed it a lot, but the levels weren't open enough to use all the movement options frequently enough.
Prepare to be buttfucked though.

>>2270673
Can't you just look at the player list and see "bot" next to everyone's names and not join?

>>2270720
>Too soon
>CPSD last update was in august(?)
More like too late about calling out on this general's bullshit, its supposed to be a community project yet nobody has added anything special and the last time we had someone to make a weapon or something for it, things went wrong because "Every weapon should be centered because it should fit that style" bullshit No i am not that guy, he already went over this so if you want to be angry at someone, here i am.
The only community project that this place made was 200 minutes with /vr/ which was a cool thing because there were no rules besides making things playable [Gee now i wonder why Term gets lots of Push maps, there are no rules special rules about fitting a style or whatever that limits creativity.] and using vanilla stuff.

To put it easy, the next time this place has a community project, make sure its something that everyone can make and contribute.

>>2270692
>>2270705
>But sometimes it won't kill Revenants on direct hits.
>It's really inconsistent for some reason.
The reason is that only the giant ball it spawns as an explosion gets any increase in damage from the charge; so you have to aim it near but not hit them to get an explosion if you want to single shot a single target vs using it on groups. The idea was to make it work well on groups but not be able to cheese single targets. Is this too counter-intuitive? Should it work better on single targets?

>Remove the inaccuracy or at least tone it down so it isn't a point blank weapon.
I'll go ahead and make it like 1/2 or even 1/3 as inaccurate.

>This happens regardless at many times.
If there's still targets for it to hit it's either not seeing them in time or it can't actually see them from it's position. I'll give it some more tics to look around and I'll also play around with the size of the firing actor to see if it can see around stuff better.

>Since the beam apparently has a set number of jumps anyways and it takes 40 cells it doesn't seem too unreasonable for corner shots to be allowed. Would it be possible to make a wall bounce take a jump? That would balance it out a bit wouldn't it?
Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. I'll go ahead and make the first shot able to fire around walls if it sees something. It'll pretend to bounce if it doesn't. I'll probably make it just "bounce" and remove the "always dies on walls" too. The only thing is that it then doesn't have a way to deal high damage to a single target.

>Having it with at least a wall bounce or two would prevent it from being wasted because the laser chose to go after something and miss it entirely.
>It happens pretty often from what I'm testing right now.
>But maybe I have bad luck, no idea.
I'll go ahead and change the things fired by the beam to hitscans rather than projectiles so they'll be 100% accurate always.

>>2270730
>its supposed to be a community project yet nobody has added anything special

it also doesn't help that it slowly became victim of the same fate that every flavour of the month-project meets

preach it

>>2270739
> The idea was to make it work well on groups but not be able to cheese single targets. Is this too counter-intuitive? Should it work better on single targets?
I don't feel that's a bad thing but maybe in the Help it could specify that it's better for groups than lone targets.
However this issue mostly comes up with first targets so there's that too.
Maybe the first direct hit could hurt a bit more. Not a lot more but enough to at least make it feel more consistent.

Thank you for listening to all of this.
If you need any more testing with whatever then I'd be happy to try and contribute more.

>>2270193
I can name some
LaughterFest 2012
Epic 1 and 2
Equinox
ALT
Chillax
/pol/
Doom Barracks Zone[If you get stuck in that forest part in the last map, use cheats because its a pain in the ass solving that puzzle]
Whitemare 1 and 2
Deus Vult 2[DV1 is almost impossible]
Hell Revealed 1 and 2[2 is buttsecks so be prepared]

>>2270730
>The only community project that this place made was 200 minutes with /vr/
>Gee now i wonder why Term gets lots of Push maps, there are no rules special rules about fitting a style or whatever that limits creativity.

not that i'm in disagreement about cyberpunk shootdown rip but push very early on was given a massive community push by /vr/
all of the early maps are made by /vr/ contributors, and even the cacoward entry states this

there's still a massively disparate ratio between succeeded and failed /vr/ community projects, though

>>2270750
>Maybe the first direct hit could hurt a bit more. Not a lot more but enough to at least make it feel more consistent.

That's a good idea, I think I'll do that. Thanks for the feedback.

>Thank you for listening to all of this.

I'm the one that should be thanking you! Your feedback has helped a ton.

I'll go ahead and change around the beam sometime in the next week, and let you know then so you can tell me what you think. Are you on irc by chance?

I edited the swing animation and added a second variation where you swing from below instead of above. Swingin' sounds were added, though nobody here will hear. That rhymes.

>>2270753
>Equinox
Remember to bring your own music if you play this.
Also, agreed about Whitemare.

>>2270765
I'm not on IRC but I could try to get on it.
Don't know the information though.

I regularly watch the Doom thread pretty consistently if that doesn't pan out for whatever reason though.

>>2270762
Nonono, you got that wrong
What i mean is that Push got lots of cool maps because there wasn't a specific limitation, just follow 3 important rules
1)No Void kill floors, this helps recoveries
2)No super camping spots that could make things go in a really bad way
3)No overdetailing, old Push10 [i miss that map, it was cool] had lots of cool detail but that could make people lag and if i know Terminus very well, he makes everything to be playable by any user, even those who play in >Software mode[this is why 3D Slopes are ded] so avoid making a laggy map.

and as for failed projects, the board wads were not really a /vr/-only thing, the people inside other boards were the ones that should have made maps yet they never delivered. To put it simple, the only failed /vr/ community project was cyberpunkshootdown, the other board wad thing was an outside thing, unless you cound the projects as 4chan community's doom projects.

>>2270783
my mistake, then

carry on

>>2270771
>Remember to bring your own music if you play this.
To be honest, Equinox's music is okay, its just LOUD AS SHIT. This is where the music volume slider comes in mind.

>>2270753
>>2270771
>>2270793
Why does Equinox come recommended?
Last I checked it was really dull, and ugly to boot.

>>2270826
It fits MSX futuristic design and it has lots of enemies and areas to move so its cool.

Also, forgot to mention Vrack in the list

>>2270830
I remember Vrack being a bit cramped, but I don't remember if I actually finished the thing

>>2270781
If you're not already on irc you don't have to get on it just for this, but either way have this. I think Eric made another image using a different program as well.

>>2270842
Well I got on the #vr room with mIRC a little while ago.
I will save this image if I need to use a different IRC thing sometime though, thank you.

>>2270631
How do you change your fov

>>2270909
bind w "+forward; fov 120"

>>2270909
literally open the console and type "fov"

>>2269732
>Is it me or is Doom 2 much more difficult than Doom 1?
Doom 2 overall is harder than the original 3 doom episodes, because of its emphasis on bigger mobs, and new monsters with more hitpoints than most of doom's enemies.

Romero's maps in E4 are harder than Doom 2, since hey both insist on using cacos and barons more, resources are fairly scarce, and damaging floors nearly everywhere.

>>2270946
speaking of e4, i still cannot to this day uvmax e4m1, any tips?

>>2270949
Pop out of cover, shoot, pop back in at the start to kill shotgun guys. Be very cautious. Grab the rockets and save them to kill all the barons at the end. Basically memorize the map.

>playing doom alone, lights off, software mode
shit's pretty spooky

>>2270958
Now play Doom 64 EX, or the PSX total conversion in ZDoom.

>>2270176
worth using tier:
chocodoom
prboom+
gzdoom
zandronum

too niche for general use tier:
everything else

die die die die

>>2271065
>LIMBO: 0
What is this about?

>>2271071
Blood money that you miss that gets dropped is stored into "limbo" for the cost of a bit of score, and is given back to you when you end a level or exchange 50000 score for it.

>>2270116
The kid passed out on the couch in the back is what really makes this image.

>>2271072
Will score be usable for other things or is it just kind of a thing to keep track of for fun?

Can we get some love for the original Shadow Warrior? I'm playing Shadow Warrior redux and I'm loving it, much better even than the remake. I think it's amazing.

>>2271131

Shadow Warrior is cool.

>>2270487
>>2270515
>that kid lounging in the background

>>2271131
There are some things I don't really like about the original Shadow Warrior.

Mostly the Shurikens and Riot Gun.
And that one rocket trap in Sumo Sky Palace that I didn't know could be negated by closing the gates the rockets come from.
And in Redux it always crashes at the end of one of the expansion levels and I have no idea how to fix that.

It's a pretty fun game overall though.
I also liked the Shadow Warrior remake quite a bit even though the guns feel weak from what I've played of it so far.
Dat sword though.

>>2271131

Breddy gud, but not as good as Blood.

http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/index.php?file=levels/doom2/m-o/nochance.zip

10/10 can't even leave the starting area without dying.

Guys, what's your opinion on the Marathon games?
Favourite game? (1,2 or inf.)

>>2271184
Shadow Warrior wasn't well balanced either.

There are too many Ninja enemies that look the same, but have drastically different hitpoints and attacks. Shadow Ninja's are downright cheap, too.

>>2271276

Marathon is gr8, desperately needs a better source port than Aleph One, though.
I preferred 2's levels, Infinity's weapons.
Should've kept with music, 1's songs were so damn cool.

>>2271276
Basically what >>2271279 said. It's a neat series that was ahead of its time, and 2/I looked pretty good to boot. As for 1, it... their artistic skills weren't much more developed from Pathways. But hey, it was just a bunch of undergrads in an apartment.

At least there's plenty of remixes of 1's music to listen to and use in the game. The realtime ambiance thing was neat, but a good musical score's never bad.

I still play netplay sometimes. I try to catch For Carnage, Apply Within when I can.

>>2270117
http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1349499
Crispy Doom v2.3

>>2271304
Why can't I access any Chocolate Doom and derivatives related sites?

>>2271304
Neat

>>2271310
No idea.

http://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/71911-innocence-the-new-technology-beta-version-2/

this might be cool, the screenshots look pretty good anyway. doesn't seem to say what engine it's for though.

>>2271310
Basically the Doominati are trying to squash all non-Zdoom thought in hopes that we may all gargle on Glorious Zcock in praising unison. All hail to the Zking, citizen, be sure to play your sanctioned weaponset twice daily.

Joking aside, it sounds like a cookie/cache issue. Try clearing both and then reboot your browser.

Looper found an "interesting" way to do e1m8 in a TAS demo.

http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1349033

>>2271321
I've done that billions of times already, it just claims my connection was reset.

>>2271343
the "void glide" is perhaps more striking in this preceeding test, on e2m1.

>>2271345
>I've done that billions of times already
that explains the failure. you're DOSing the site!

http://doomedsda.us/wad1869.html

>>2271343
>>2271347

so uuuhhhhh...new E1M8 TAS uv-speed WR?

>>2271352
>Darkwave0000's attempt to make the most annoying map ever made
thank you, i've been looking for this. i saw it once before but forgot the name/link.
j4rio continues to be awesome (in the original sense of inspiring dread)
>>2271357
i guess so. can't see anything faster on the DSDA.
http://doomedsda.us/wad947m118.html

What happened to the weapon mod someone was making based on suggestions from /vr/? It sounded promising

>>2271367

I'm still here, and really it's partially /vr/ and partially non /vr/ guys (Shivers, Yholl, Kyle), so I guess I can't really call it the /vr/oomer's arsenal. Most of the weapons are pretty much planned out, though I'm unsure if I want to keep the pipe and shotgun combo for the shotgun slot or do something else with it.


I'm gonna be working on it more after I get 1.0 of GMOTA out.

Doomguy's fat bara ass.

>>2271304
>The braintargets limit has been removed. It was previously set to 32 and broke e.g. Speed of Doom's MAP30 which has 40 braintargets.
>Speed of Doom

While I'm aware that the issuer he's talking about has nothing to do with boom compatibility, I still find it odd that he used SoD's map30 as an example.

>>2271343
And already implemented in a valid run by JC.
http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1349403

It's almost amazingly simple, using a monster to simulate a sharp angle, but somehow it never occurred to anyone until Crab stumbled into it, heh.

>>2271431
http://www.chocolate-doom.org/wiki/index.php/Crispy_Doom#Changes_of_Crispy_Doom_2.3_from_Crispy_Doom_2.2

Where I got this from.

So Hellground is fucking awesome, could anyone name some other wads by the same author, I couldn't find anything on google, or some other wads that go for more surreal themes.

>>2271431
i imagine it is the most well known wad having a map with >32 spawn spots. it's better justification for a change if there's an existing broken case, even if said case is one the engine can't run directly, it allows you to say "someone has broken this already, i had better be prepared" rather than "well someone might break it in future". and he probably feels he needs to justify changes when his many of his published design goals are based around conservative compatibility.

>>2271587
>by the same author
http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/index.php?search=1&field=author&word=alexander+%22eternal%22&sort=time&order=asc&page=1
>surreal themes
i can't immediately think of anything quite like hell ground, although i believe its colours map is inspired by alien vendetta map31.

>>2271587 >>2271615
additional: there are quite a lot listed there, so at first, if you like eternal's surreal maps, try gravity.

>>2271615
>>2271621
Thanks a lot anon, I'll have a look at it right away.

>>2270927
Does it reset on map change or something?

>>2271881
i know it isn't saved in the .ini, and generally annoys those who want to set it to a different value.

>playing hellbound for the second time (this time with DoomRPG), can barely remember shit
>assemble nano super shotgun at the end of one of the maps
>exit said map
>LMAO DEATH EXIT SUX2BU
Like I know that this is a common thing but why the map I assemble the destroyer of all things?

>>2270116
>>2270487
>>2270515

>>2271940
>playing DoomRL+RPG
>couldn't survive a death exit
u wot m8?

>>2271940
>not using changemap instead of the death exit

Any one know something about Doom roguelike arsenal? Its gonna update anywhere soon?

>>2270673
rofl

>>2272042
yholl's too autistic to stop adding new shit

>>2272042
what's cool though is that recently he made dropped weapons not lose their mods. you know, that thing he said he'd never fix

>>2270673
Dang, too bat i missed it, i really wanted to see these names.
>tfw somebody names a bot after you

>>2272042

I'm still waiting for the commando.

>>2272064

Seems like everyone is cranking out a huge update

>>2272042
>not having one with a proper background

>>2271436
thanks for the pointer!

I'm a billion years late, but someone asked me
>I tried that a while ago. What do you like about it? It seemed rather lackluster to me.
@ QStyleZX

I don't honestly know why I'm addicted to it. I think it's actually because it brings so very little to the table. It feels like a simple expansion, Doom+, or something. Plus, the footstep sounds and damageable decorations really add to gameplay in some weird way, to me. Other than that, the randomization mixes it up as vanilla Doom I find just a bit boring and slow (due to years and years of playing.)

The Annihilator Replacement for the Cyberdemon is a 110% bitch on any level designed around Cyberdemons being strafed/easy to kill. I actually edited it out a few versions ago, but have been too lazy to do it again.

Brutal Doom got boring kind of fast for me, in terms of long play sessions. A lot of other gameplay mods change the dynamic way too far for me to keep interest. That said, I made some huge progress on a few Megawads with Hideous Destructor because I hate myself.

>>2272186

I'm actually having to cut shit out that I wanted to do in the next DemonSteele build just so I can get the damn thing out.
Well, I'm sure I can do mid-dash attacks and rehauled Iron Maiden specials for the build after that...

>>2272261
Tell me more about what's coming in the next build please.

>>2272273

Have a massive changelog.
https://github.com/TerminusEst13/Folded1000Times/blob/master/changelog.txt
Also weapon-specific specials, which isn't on the changelog yet since it's not finished.

I have three questions.

-Where can I find the most recent release of Brutal Doom and its derivatives?

-Are there any other wads like the Demonsteele metal jukebox that just changes music?

-Is there any mapset that goes well with Nazis!2...? I'm thinking something either techbase style or a WW2 themed mapset.

>>2272286
Dunno, dunno, go look up the Epic series.

>>2272286
- The moddb page
- The Doom metal collection, also on BD's moddb page
- Epic, Epic 2, Brotherhood of Ruin

>>2272278
Thank you.
I can't wait for mid dash attacks and Iron Maiden special changes.

After playing through Doom 2 and Final Doom I've decided to branch out; should I play Heretic or just go straight into Hexen and at any rate what launcher should I be using?

>>2272459
Heretic, and GZDoom

>>2272462
Okay. Is that launcher the best option for Hexen as well?

>>2272464
You mean source port, right?

Yeah, it is.

>>2271304
When is he going to add portmidi?

>>2272471
Yeah, source port. My bad.

Anyone got any HUD mods? Maybe one thats good for Brutal Doom? (IE: magazine counter)

>>2272529
NC-HUD?

the doomnukem one (used in AtM)?

>>2272529
>>2272536
Seconding NC-HUD with the BD compatibility thing.

>There's also a poison shell shotgun zombie going in soon
>Archviles have a radius healing spell, during casting they are immune to damage but not pain, and if they enter their pain state the casting stops and they lose their immunity.
>They won't be swapped out.
>They will also be getting a spell to create 4 flimsy copies of themselves that can use their normal attack and raise monsters (though not the radius heal the "real" one has.) They'll be limited to 4 per archvile and 8 per map; they'll have less health than a zombie and causing them to enter their pain state or die will cause the "real" one to enter a pain state to show the player which one is "real." If you cause the "real" to enter their pain state all the copies will disappear.
>Zombies will also be able to throw grenades, including at your last known position if they can't see you.
>Not currently, but the green ones will spew poison gas clouds and their attack will poison the player, the red/orange ones will have fire trails that cause damage to the player and possibly light the player on fire, and the blue ones will have arcs that act like the shock shells and hurt the player if they happen to be caught in them.
>Speaking of shock shells, there will also be a shock shell shotgun zombie, as well as a hellfire zombie.
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=819838#p819838
the mag bullshit being forced made me suspicious
than the superfast imp balls made it worse
now it's official tsp is the new hideous destructer 2.0
no point in playing unless you're a total sadist

>>2272623
Mag stuff has never been forced, the only mode it'll be forced on is "Lone Survivor", and that's outside of the normal difficulties.

What would you change? I'm always open to feedback.

>>2272623
>shottyzombies will start using their shotguns like the player can (and presumably start dropping the unique shell types
>The monster with the highest pain chance in the game will be getting some new powers...that are canceled if the monster is sent into the pain state
>zombies will get a grenade attack that behaves just like the shotgun attacks
>being this assmad that enemies are a challenge

Okay, maybe if you're playing a fucking slaughtermap this will be a problem. But in maps with monster distribution like Doom 1's, or like Doom 2's for that matter, there's no real issue. The monsters are a bit more powerful, and can flush you out if you're hiding behind something, but you're more powerful, and you can attack them indirectly with the shotgun just like they can.

Also
>mag bullshit being forced
nigga you got him to keep it tucked away in the options menu
quit gimping this guy's mod and go play brutal or whatever the fuck you're a fan of

>>2272623
Sounds like you should git gud.

let the ircgang begin

>>2272631
>the only mode it'll be forced on is "Lone Survivor"
that's forced
>>2272647
but you can play demonsteel, msx, or brutal on slaughterwads or non just fine, why not this?
>>2272654
>le git gud meme

>>2271189
I just played through Death Wish on Extra Crispy, holy fuck this is one of the coolest FPS experiences I have ever had. This is such a great supplement to the vanilla game, using great mapping tricks that the devs didn't even think of, yet using the same resources!

>>2272657
>people don't agree with me! waaahhhh!

i don't even know how irc works and you're still a faggot

>>2272660
Well it's true.

>>2272660
Because the author isn't making the mod for slaughterwads.
If you're so assmad about it, maybe you should ask if you can make a Space Pirate: Brootal Edition that makes all the enemies into super-easily-gibbed one-hit-point guys.

>>2272667

>implying i am that guy

>>2272670
go back to playing hideous destructer and stop ruining other mods
>>2272673
well I would but the nazi zdoom moderation has outlawed discussion of brutal doom to be verboeten

>>2272681
Then call it "Unreal Mode" or something like that.

Point is, the guy's got a GitHub. You can download the stuff from there, alter it, and make your own damn version of it.
If you just complain at the author, the people who want to play what the author's making will end up not getting to play. If you get off your ass and make your own damn mod, or go back to what you enjoy, then we all get to play what we want.

>>2272681
>well I would but the nazi zdoom moderation has outlawed discussion of brutal doom to be verboeten

Yeah, man, they're real nazis over telling people to stop begging for Brutal Doom support for unrelated mods and bringing in unrelated Mark drama.

Good thing Brutal Doom offshoot discussion is still allowed!
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=47229
Or else we'd
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=48035
be in real trouble.
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=47398

>>2272681
I don't even like HD, far too realistic for my liking. But there ain't nothing wrong with a fair bit of challenge, and if Marty/Scroton want to make Teaspoon challenging, then they can. Don't like it? Either edit your own version or fuck off to something easier..

>>2272623
Are most or all of these things for Lone Survivor?
It sounds pretty tough.

Also the term you're looking for is masochist.
It could be fun for smaller levels.

>>2272704
>Also the term you're looking for is masochist.
The idea of him forcing someone to play teaspoon made me giggle though.

>>2272631
I don't really understand what's being forced with the Mag.

Did I miss something?

>>2272731
A recent build added the option to have inventory handled by magazines instead of by magic bag o' bullets.

What happens is, ammo is stored in individual magazines instead of as a giant pile of bullets, and the game automatically chooses the largest remaining magazine to reload for you.
Like three or four people couldn't figure this out, and one of them even asked to have it work like it does in Brutal DUUUUUM. So Marty decided to move that new feature into the options menu, and have it disabled by default.

And now that faggot's trying to complain about it some more, so I'm assuming he just wants to screw with the mod until it's Brutal Doom with a hot chick.

>>2272693
In fairness, I think a lot of mods would benefit from SOME of Brutal's changes...

Really not a fan of the kinda childish taunts and I think most of the executions are power-fantasy/childish... However, the location based damage, the better animations, the better feeling weapons, the quickkick... There's a lot to like about the mod, in my opinion. Oh, and the asshole AI is fun sometimes, although in some maps it kinda makes me want to kill myself.

Yes, I actually like it. Yes, I played Doom when it was new(ish, I had to upgrade my PC before i could run it)

>>2272745
Oh damn I thought we were talking about Mag Push/Pull/Punch(?) rather than the Magazine system.

>Brutal Doom with a hot chick
I'd play it but I don't really want TSP to be that

>>2272747
Yeah, being able to headshot in Doom was a huge thing.
There's stuff that's good about Brutal Doom, and stuff that only works within a Brutal Doom style mod. TSP isn't built like a Brutal Doom style mod, it's made in the same vein as mods that most certainly aren't like Brutal Doom, and there's just some things that wouldn't benefit from being more like Brutal Doom.

>>2272748
Eh. The gore would ruin it for me.But to each their own.
That having been said, each can have their own only if they can have different things, so it's not really a good thing to beg Marty to make TSP a Brutal clone.

>>2272745
the thing they were wanting it to be like was accessories to murder, not brutal doom afaik
the thing was also under a cvar to begin with from the start, and people complained until the cvar defaulted to the settings they wanted because if they changed from the default magic bullet bag they would hvae to change another cvar

>>2272753
>the thing they were wanting it to be like was accessories to murder, not brutal doom afaik
AtM uses a similar magazine-based reloading thing, except that it doesn't track half-empty magazines (instead throwing them away, much like in Diaz, and to the annoyance of anyone who understands how useful those bullets would have been).
I'm pretty damn sure they asked specifically for the magic bullet bag.

>the thing was also under a cvar to begin with from the start
I'm well aware, and it's beside the point. The point is that they complained and complained because they'd have to set one fucking cvar.

>>2272751
Well I wouldn't really be in it for the gore.
I just like strong girl characters.

I also play a slightly modified Doom by default with a Doomgirl instead of Doomguy.
I just think it's cool

>>2272764
out of curiosity, what are your thoughts on donutsteele?

>>2272764
Oh.
Cool.

>>2272764
Doomgirl mod where?

Hey, Marty?
I fired the crossbow, and it gave me a black screen.

>>2272772
I think Hae Lin has a very nice design and it makes me pretty happy she isn't even sexualized.
Not that it would really matter if she was made to just be sexy or not but I'd take cute over sexy any day.


And for gameplay it is one of my most played gameplay mods for Doom alongside GMOTA.
TSP is also starting to get back up there since it is now playable on much more maps thanks to the Plasma/BFG weapon with the name I don't know.

I wouldn't say Knee Deep in ZDoom is an exceptional mappack, but it seems it doesn't work with the newer versions of GZDoom anymore. Great.

>>2272818
There is a single syntax error in a single file in the pk3 that stops it from working, it's pretty horrible that no one patched it yet.

then again, it tells you how many people care about kdizd these days

>>2272821
Well, I went in and fixed it myself. Tried to use Smooth Doom with it but surprise surprise, the weapons don't like being replaced and the game is bitchy about other mods being used with it. Probably has to do with its age somewhat.

>>2272818
>KDIZD doesnt work anymore

Huh? I didnt get any errors when I loaded it just now. And I have latest svn build.

>>2271343
>>2271347

(hopefully you're still around. please do)

so it seems you're acknowledged with the -viddump command in prboom+.

mind sharing your setup? every time I try to dump a demo it throws an error, and i'm not sure if it has to do with having the wrong versions of each .exe

So, what do you guys think about the new Wolfenstein standalone DLC and the new Unreal Tournament? Personally I'm pretty excited about them.

Wolf vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDgaGHXlYhU

UT vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li0OCzVqjOU

>>2272847
A lot of zdoom required Maps/TCs tend to only be fads. After a while (usually about a year), people stop giving a shit, and move onto the next thing. This is kinda why they've dwindled in recent years.

>>2272889
Unreal Tournament 4 definitely looks like its heading in the right direction.

I expect Wolf TOB will be decent, like TNO, but I probably won't call it great.

>>2272889
wolf looks deliciously wonky

UT looks really neat

>>2272798
Is this a consistent thing?

>>2272889
UT4 looks like it has potential.

I made a Demonsteele wallpaper.

>>2273176
I like it.

>>2272889
Now I can only hope UT4 doesn't die within a year, let alone a month.

>>2273204
It already has a couple hundred players. Also now Unreal Engine is free so I expect a shitload of mods and stuff.

>>2273209
It'd be fun to see a Star Wars mod.

>>2273204
The main reason why a lot of modern Arena Shooters die quickly is because they go with shitty business models putting off players, or the devs dont make the effort to advertise and/or keep things alive through content updates.

Tribes Ascend actually could've potentially been a popular game, if it weren't for the shitty micro-transactions model, developers doing the opposite of what the community wants in gameplay mechanics, and the developers simply abandoning it over the fact that people stopped playing for not taking their shit any longer.

>>2272884
>so it seems you're acknowledged with the -viddump command in prboom+.
false assumption i'm afraid. just because i can make webms out of lmps does not mean that i use prboom-plus to do it. i am sorry.

>>2272889
not retro

>>2272889
the new unreal tournament looks really cool

i don't know why nobody liked UT3, i played it and there was nothing wrong with it.

>>2273308
It's related to the thread topic
We talk about Doom 3 and Doom The Roguelike from time to time

>>2272905
i don't think this is limited to zdoom stuff. plenty of doom/boom projects won cacowards at the time but are never mentioned any more. for example:

- two highly rated, cacoward winning boom wads, speed of doom and uac ultra, both released at almost exactly the same time, end of march 2010. which is the one you still hear about now?

- ksutra isn't anything like as much in the popular consciousness as hr/av/scythe etc. hr2 gets brought up more than ksutra, despite the latter feeling far more like a successor to hr than its "sequel".

>>2273338
Err, I still hear plenty about Speed of Doom, UAC Ultra, and Kama Sutra from time time, even if they arent as big anymore now.

Stuff like ZPack, Eternal Doom IV, etc on the other hand, Its been years since I've seen a single person bring them up.

>>2273320
The art direction looked too much like gears of war. very messy and overcrowded looking, too.
The lack of Skaarj and the butchering of the Necris.
Story mode was downright laughable.
No Assault mode.
Warfare did not improve upon Onslaught, and in some cases, was actually worse.
Non-Vehicle modes felt like an afterthought.


Its not horrible, but I find UT99 and 2k4 better.

>>2273338
>hr2 gets brought up more than ksutra

Not sure about that. DSDA even has more demos for ksutra.

>>2273338
uac ultra and ksutra didnt fall into obscurity, though. They're just not as highly regarded as some of their peers.

>>2273361
i meant in the minds of casual doomers on /vr/, i know ksutra is more popular in hardcore demo recorder circles.

https://archive.moe/vr/search/text/%22hell%20revealed%202%22/
39 results
https://archive.moe/vr/search/text/hr2/
41 results
total: 80

https://archive.moe/vr/search/text/%22kama%20sutra%22/
48 results
https://archive.moe/vr/search/text/ksutra/
7 results
total: 55

>>2271087
Maybe. I haven't thought of anything that would use score for any reason.
Shopping, maybe, but that'd disallow you from shopping at a new game, and only discourage players from upgrading weapons/psionics.

>>2273338
>>2273383
That's funny. I was just playing ksutra after playing some hr2.
And guess what map this screenshot is from.

>>2273338
>>2273385
Similarly I was just playing UAC Ultra.
I would still be playing if my laptop didn't keep shutting off randomly, what the fuck

>>2273393

God damn it that was so not ready to be shared

>>2273385
>And guess what map this screenshot is from.
i haven't got a clue, i thought it was ks12 but it's not. i am ashamed.

>>2273385
The Going Down map with the Time machine hijinks?
>>2273392
Overheating, yo

>>2273397
>>2273402
It's Map 1 of Kama Sutra.

Placeholder graphics for the style switcher are in and I'm starting to implement it.

>>2273402
>>2273397
God damn it.

>>2273406
WELP

>>2273405
huh, really. well, time to kill myself.
>>2273406
> >>2273397 (You)
>God damn it.
what? misquote?
>>2273409
many eyebrows were raised that day.
the "kids" version is more difficult to beat.

>>2273413
That's map30 of ksutra, and the earlier screenshot from map01 of ksutra.
It was an odd way of demonstrating what wad it was from.

>>2273409
I will admit, I did find that pretty chuckle-worthy back when I first played ks map30.

I miss Gusta.

>>2273338
My point was that zdoom Maps/TCs tend to become obscure after they've had their 15 minutes of fame, since the novelty behind them wears thin.

Vanilla/Boom maps tend not to do the same if proven good enough, since traditional gameplay never gets old for most Doomers.

>>2273385
What sector lighting mode do you use? Because it looks a bit flat here.

>>2273459
I wish he'd finish up KS2.

>>2273474
What it looks like for me.

>>2273485
This one in software mode.

Styles are now ready to do things.
Things!
And I'm just now realizing I put the wrong character, the "H" should be a "T".

>>2273485
Oh, geez, you're right. Thanks.

Playing the newest version of Demonsteele on the Github and was killing a lot of monsters and then I turned around to find a flying Shotgun guy head spinning in the air spewing blood endlessly.

>>2273508
an old bug scroton was supposed to fix, iirc
he hasn't yet

>>2273508
>>2273534
Personally, i like to think of it as the head splatting into the ceiling so hard that blood gushes down

>>2273534
I don't even know what would cause it.

Also the new dash slash is pretty fun to use so far but I'm not sure how well it is statistically.

>>2273393
>that lowering state
Make it spin in random directions while song from this video is playing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJSt91Ed5d0

>>2273508
>>2273534
>>2273537
>>2273538

I'll see if I can figure it out before release. No promises, but I'm getting sick of this bug as well.

Also, the dash attack does 100 damage as opposed to the single slash's 30 each.
It doesn't scale up as much from higher ranks, but tomorrow I'll give it an experimental system--the more normal slashes you land in a row, the stronger the cleave strike.
Whoch will stack with the rank damage bonus.

Yeah.

>>2273543
3x stronger right now sounds alright. Sometimes it doesn't quite finish off enemies so well but that's because I'm bad at figuring when an enemy will die from it.

Is that kind of powerup system hard to set up though?

>>2273338
>uac ultra
>kama sutra
>never mentioned anymore

Sorry, but this is simply flat out not true.

is /vr/ playing doom right now on a server together?

>>2272623
It's not going to be anything approaching Hideous Destructor levels of hard, and the worst of those are only going to be implemented on Purest, Darkest Hell and Lone Survivor. Mags have never ever been forced, except on LS, as Marty pointed out.

Feel free not to play it if it's not to your liking, though.

>>2272761
You're both sorta right and wrong about some things.
It always defaulted to magic bullet pool, with mags under a cvar, but the mags when first introduced only had the bulletinmag tracking and an option to have mags picked up be full. Then someone asked for AtM mags, so I added a cvar, then people continued to complain so I finally switched the default mag mode (only applicable if you turn mags on via cvars to begin with!) to be AtM mags.

>>2272798
This sounds like an issue with GZDoom and models. Please let us know if it happens again and if it happens for things that aren't models or outside of GZDoom. You can also turn models off or use an older version of GZDoom if the newer one is giving you issues with models.

>>2273508
>>2273534
>an old bug scroton was supposed to fix, iirc
>he hasn't yet
>>2273543
I did fix it, the fix is in the Zombieman or Imp (I forget which) torso corpse where it checks momentum to continue spinning and otherwise drops to the floor. Term was supposed to apply the fixes to the other midair spinny corpses later on. It also wasn't my bug to fix .

Blame me for #BarrelBug but in this I'm as blameless as a newborn babe.

>>2273787
Also lemme add that if you want it to hang for a bit even if it has no momentum have the checks for momentum behind a couple of counters of the loop, then make the negative z-velocity accompanied by a randomized x and y vel since I think I only put in a z-velocity by itself which might look unnatural.

>>2273338
While I don't disagree that there are doom/boom stuff that have become obscure over time, the examples you used aren't very good ones.

Especially in regards to Kama Sutra. Its still among the more popular megawads in the demo recording community, and is even part of the top 20 on DSDA. DWmegawad club played through it back in 2013. Some people at doomworld even brought up Kama Sutra 2 in 2014 in hopes to push Gusta into finishing it. It is downright ridiculous to claim that no one cares for it any more, just because its not brought up nearly as much as Hell Revealed, Alien Vendetta, and the Scythes.

http://youtu.be/UGgYLsjb6Pk?t=40s

arrrrrrrr

I suck hard at duke. I keep dying to the first two pig cops in the third level where they take your weapons.

What do I do to overcome them? Is there a hidden pistol somewhere or something? I know the large medkits are there, and I'm working on avoiding accidentally picking them up before I need them, but I'm not quite that good at it yet.

I'm surprised, Duke seems a much harder game than Doom.

>>2273879
If I remember right, you kick the shit out of them; with your boot.

>>2273879
There's a pistol in the little room with the two switches. One of those switches also lowers the electric chair to reveal a hidden shotgun.

>>2273883
Yeah, I try that, I just get fucked by their shotgun shots inevitably. The one time I got past the first two, I deactivated the zapper thing they were killing me with, and then the glass opens to the observation booth and THOSE guys head in and kill me.

>>2273884
ah, that would help a lot. I'll grab those. Thanks a lot!

Just beat Alien Vendetta. I've only played three fan megawads, I rank them like this:

Scythe 2 > Alien Vendetta > Plutonia 2

Any suggestions on what to play next? Scythe 2 really blew me the fuck away, gotta say.

>>2273934
13.5 hours gameplay and you didn't have to pay a cent

>>2273934

>>2273934
Give Btsx Ep 1 and 2 a go, I also have the feeling that you would really love Vanguard

http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1349979

>>2273956

>>2273934
Epic 2
Speed of Doom

>>2273943
And it was better than any modern FPS, too.

What do I use for max compatibility on all PCs (and Linux too)?
ZDoom?

>>2274117
compatibility with what? the largest number of wads? demos? vanilla game physics? hardware platforms?

>>2274117
Every decent source port is open source and works on every platform.

>>2274140
>>2274141
Compatibility with hardware and graphics (effects).
I heard GZDoom can do stuff that ZDoom can't and that GZDoom just doesn't work for unknown reasons for some people.

>>2274142
If you want hardware acceleration and effects then GZDoom is your best bet. I recommend version 1.9 since newer versions have some crippling performance issues.

I like to turn off texture filtering, set the sector lighting to "software" and autoload the improved brightmaps and dynamic lights. Gives the game a nice mix of old and new aesthetics.

>>2274152
What map is this?

>>2274171
It's from Valiant, but I can't remember which map exactly.

>>2274171
It's from Valiant.

Does anyone have compiled binaries for ZDoom for Ubuntu?
I am trying to be free but it is hard.

>>2274202
http://zdoom.org/wiki/Compile_ZDoom_on_Linux
It's not hard, nerd.

>https://twitter.com/Strafegame/status/573932450599976960
thought that could interest some of you

>>2274206
That seems gayer than tits.
brb getting on windows machine

>>2274212
If you can't do the simplest compilation process while being walked through it you probably shouldn't be using Linux.

>>2274202
i believe there is an APT repository for zdoom run by blzut3 but i cannot remember where it is

>>2274207
>http://www.strafe1996.com/hiring.html
WE NINETIES NAO

>>2274215
That was just too much for me.
>>2274217
Thanks for mentioning this, found it, installed it, waiting for wads to finish downloading.

http://debian.drdteam.org/ :
>Do keep in mind that we generally try to avoid building development builds unless the stable build is uselessly old.
I'd argue that point was reached a long time ago. How many current mods work on the last ZDoom stable release?

linux pls
Where did I fuck up now?

>>2274231
GZDoom a shit.
Installed ZDoom and worked instantly and flawlessly.

>>2274249
>Can't figure out how to get software to work
>It's obviously shit
Enjoy software mode only.

>>2274254
>not playing doom in software mode only
pleb

>>2274206
>>2274212
>>2274215
>>2274249
>>2274254
>>2274257
shitposters out in force tonight

>>2274272
newfag

>>2273879
>I'm surprised, Duke seems a much harder game than Doom.
Douk's hitscanners are a bitch

What do I use to explore .wads?
Not like ingame but inside, edit files etc.

>>2274305
Slade.

>>2274305
Slade

>>2274305

Slade

Use the 3.0.2 ver.

Any word on the Berserk mod?

http://hdoomguy.tumblr.com/post/112893132857

>>2274175
someone please shop this with archviles and funny jokes and shit

>>2273879
Duke Nukem is one of the easiest FPS's out there imo

>>2274331
what's the hardest?

>>2274334
Blood.

How do I have sex with things in HDOOM?

>>2274403
F

>>2274403
spacebar my nigga

>>2274403
Pretty sure you just press Use.

>>2274334
Hexen 2, probably

>>2274318

We get this question, like, every thread. I'm starting to suspect it's the same person.
For the umpteenth time, no.

Is it possible to make dead body sprites to be seen differently from different angles, like alive bodies?

>>2274460
yup, they just need rotations

>>2274462
Where do people get rotations for their 2D sprites anyway?
Do they make a model and then take screenshots from various angles?
How did id do it?

>>2274472
Yes, that's how id did it.

OP Subject text should say "QUIZ AND TEST! QUIZ AND TEST YOUR BRAIN!"

It's better this way because it fits the same syllable count as RIP AND TEAR.

>>2274484
>http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a615906/john-romero-celebrates-dooms-21st-anniversary-with-never-before-seen-images.html
niiice

>>2274472
Yeah, you make a model (3D, clay, whatever) and take photos from all the angles you need. Then you make sprites out of them, clean them up to look better, and you're done.

>>2274508
http://bash.org/?13250

>>2274528

>>2274472
Or hand draw every goddamn frame like I do it. Time consuming as fuck and I don't recommend it unless you seriously enjoy this type of thing.

>>2274559
That looks really weird around the knees.

>>2274472
Speaking of sprite creation/editing, any of the sprite makers here ever check out Aseprite?

>>2273508
How do you make her hold the sheath?

Also, general Doom questions. What sector light mode and what fog mode do you guys use? I have both set to Standard but the game always seems a bit dark for me.

>>2274591
You have to select it.

It's in slot 0.
I have to use my iffy mousewheel because 0 is too far for convenient use.

On the other hand I don't use guns unless absolutely necessary because going pure melee in Demonsteele is immensely fun.

It's practically Ys.

>>2274576
I swear by it.

>>2274597
Ah cool! I've just been messing around with it (successfully compiling), made some things but nothing that could be put into Doom just yet.

Can anyone post the Hell Knightess original concept art please?
I forgot to save it the other day

>>2274786
Why don't you just check the hdoom link given in the OP?

Man, I love Demonsteele, but some of Term's design choices leaves me scratching my head.

Why is the scabbard 0 instead of being bound to 1? Why did he use such long sprites for projectiles when deflecting them is a huge part of the gameplay? What in the FUCK was he thinking when he made the pain elemental replacement?

>>2274559

>>2274858
that's its actual size anon...

What are some linear maps that people enjoy?

Kama Sutra map27 is pretty fun. I like the miniature golf vibe it has.

http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=820012#p820012
rip (current incarnation of) tsp

>>2274460
Sure is, but most people don't bother because it's more work for a generally useless set of sprites. This skin in the webm is itself a rip from a Quake II plugin player model.

Not to say you can't draw them yourself, but play, say, that Simpsons wad and imaging drawing and editing all those sprites though. Ugh.

>>2274857
>Why is the scabbard 0 instead of being bound to 1?
every weapon has its own unique slot
>Why did he use such long sprites for projectiles when deflecting them is a huge part of the gameplay?
long sprites? what do you mean?
>What in the FUCK was he thinking when he made the pain elemental replacement?
i would like to know this too

>>2274865
i'm okay with this
tsp is a good concept but needs a heavy rehaul

though if you abandon the project entirely i will personally murder you, marty

>>2274896
But why not double up on 1? Same as Fist/Chainsaw in vanilla doom.

>long sprites
Meaning they have a large trail behind them, makes it hard to see where the actual projectile is.

>>2274865
Not surprised, but hopefully Marty can reboot it or give it a v2 or something.
Had a hunch things were going down behind the scenes.

>>2274901
I don't think Marty's going to be abandoning it, just a "re-structuring" if you catch my drift

>>2274904
>makes it hard to see where the actual projectile is.
er
what

>>2274904

The...projectile is at the front, anon.

>tfw no one made ww2 doom clone back in the 90's and no one ever will

>>2274925
get on it nigga

>>2274934
Would love to but I am terrible at things and have no talent at anything

>>2274591
>What sector light mode and what fog mode do you guys use?

I use Software lighting mode in GZDoom. Fog mode has no effect on this mode, afaik

Shaders lighting in GLBoom+

>>2274857

Hi! Glad you enjoy it.

Like >>2274896 said, it's so every weapon has its own unique slot. It's just my personal autism showing through, since I like everything to be in little neat categories.
I understand this isn't a layout everyone cares for, and combined with how people have been wanting the Sabbath to be after the Exodus, I've been investigating the use of setslot or Zandro's weapon priority settings to be able to have people customize their own weapon layout.
I'll admit it's a little over my head and I'm a bit worried about if it's even possible, but ideally I'd like for everyone to be able to get their own weapon layout as they please.

There aren't really any long sprites in DemonSteele, precisely because that would be incredibly difficult to gauge. Probably the closest thing are projectiles with trails behind them--if you freeze when a Zombieman fires a laser at you, you can look at it and see it's just a series of small red balls one after the other.
The hitbox is always in the same place, though, it's the first part coming at you.

The enemy replacements work on an extremely exaggerated difficulty curve compared to the original Doom. The low-tier enemies are almost laughable, the mid-tier enemies are difficult, and the higher-tier enemies are guaranteed to irritate you. The Blackened is right square in the center, taking what I think are the core concepts of the Pain Elemental and exaggerating them--spamming you with useless mook enemies, very frustrating, generally require higher-tier weapons to kill right away.
Likewise, the Blackened spam you with unbelievably weak mook enemies (half HP, lower speed, -SOLID now, etc), but do so quickly enough that it makes them a priority. While they have less HP than Pain Elementals, they require the use of a (relatively) high-tier weapon to dispatch quickly--a single side special or forward special will do them in quickly, or failing that the Sabbath (plasma rifle replacement) will crush them as well.

>>2274941
>I've been investigating the use of setslot or Zandro's weapon priority settings to be able to have people customize their own weapon layout.
A_SelectWeapon

>>2274953
that doesn't do what you think it does, anon

>>2274912
>>2274910
It's hard to discern where the front actually IS when the trail is long.

>>2274938
Doesn't Software make everything dark except the area around you? I know it prevents ambient lighting from showing up on your weapons.

>>2274993
>>2274941
I dont get what you want.
Can you relaborate? Like, the default weapon array would be:
Pistol, shotgun, chaingun.

But you want the players to customize the order, so someone can change it to:
shotgun, pistol, chaingun.`?

If so, use ACS. It IS possible.

>>2274591
pssh, if you think standard is dark you should try software or doom (which i use)

>>2275034
>If so, use ACS.

Of course! Why didn't I ever think of that before? I'll be sure to try ACS right now!

:^)

>>2275027
It replicates what Software mode does, and has the light diminish over distance. Alongside slightly brightening up around you.

I use it, because all other lighting modes look flat to me, or make things that are meant to be dark too bright.

>>2275027
>>2275093
have a look at >>2273485 to see what it looks like for me

>>2275069
I dont get it. Are you way too retarded to write simple ACS stuff?

>>2273383
KS is also used to refer to Kama Sutra. But, unfortunately, its used for other things aswell (like KickStarter), so a search won't give accurate results.

>>2275105
>Term
>not knowing simple ACS stuff

Poe's Law my nigga.

>>2275249
KS isnt that commonly used for Kama Sutra on /vr/. I found about 4 results out of 104 that actually referred to it, 2 of which were in this thread. The rest was referring to KickStarter, Katawa Shoujo, etc.

>>2274830
Because there's a lot of shit i can't find it that easy but whatever.

>>2274591
Anyone else?

>>2274786

>>2275469
Thanks

>>2274883
Is that an actual 3D model or just a high quality 3D sprite?

>>2274858
newfag

>>2275670
kill yourself IMX

Remember:
Report and ignore.

>>2275665
It's a bunch of 2D sprites made using a 3D model. I know there are ways to implement 3D models in modern sourceports but I have not seen very many examples myself.

mel blaz-lin confirmed

Is ZDoom strictly software only?

>>2275691
Yes.
GZDoom is Software or OpenGL, but ZDoom is Software-only.

>>2275716
There's something comfy about software mode that I can't explain...

Does anyone have that image that calculates how fast Doomguy can run based on actual real-world physics?

Considering how fast doomguy runs, anyone made first person sanic yet?