/vr/ - Retro Games

Thinking of getting a pal Saturn (I'd need a step down for a Japanese one) ate they any good and moddable?

>>2254415
You're giving up on something because of the ONLY 1 TIME you have to swap?

It's your money to waste.

>>2254469
not that anon, but I've never been able to do the swap on my Saturn (Model 2)

>>2254491
It's incredibly easy on my model 1. Just watch a video of someone doing it on youtube or something.

>>2254465
>Thinking of getting a pal Saturn (I'd need a step down for a Japanese one) ate they any good and moddable?

Yes.

>>2254469
You can't use memory backups if you use pseudo Saturn. Unless you swap carts and manually copy backups, which is a chore.

Simpler to just get a 25$ modchip.

>>2254532
The guy is planning to reimplement that function as far as i know.

>>2254537
All he can do is create a menu where you can copy your backups to the cart, same as on the AR. It's not possible to make it do direct saving due to hardware limitation.

Managing backups = huge chore. Direct saving is way simpler.

>>2254546
You actually use a official memory card?
I'm too cheap for that. Always used AR to manage saves.

>>2254551
>I'm too cheap for that.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sega-Saturn-SS-Power-Memory-Boxed-Japan-Save-Back-Up-Very-Good-/371261389422?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5670e73a6e

if you are too cheap for a $12 cart, then how in the blue hell did you even manage to buy a Saturn to begin with?

>>2254568
I thought they were more expensive. But just because I had money when I bought one doesn't mean I have money now.

>>2254568
90% of the time you're only playing one game at a time anyway. So having games you dont play often saves on the AR isnt that big a deal IMO.

>>2254551
>I'm too cheap for that
It came with my 2000 yen Saturn.

>>2254580
>90% of the time you're only playing one game at a time anyway.

In that case you don't even need the AR to begin with, you just need a 2$ battery for the internal memory.

>>2254578
>>2254551
US backup memory carts are pricy. Jap ones are cheap like most Saturn stuff. I need to get some 4mb ram packs actually.
Not a fan of the action replay. Questionable quality.

>>2254609
I bought my saturn 10 years ago for cheap.

>>2254637
But AR also functions as ram expansion.

>>2254812
Which you need for arcade ports that you can play on MAME with better sound/framerate/animation (even the best ports had either some missing animation, or slowed down or dropped frames every so often).

Thinking of getting a RHEA. Worth it? Any alternatives?

I'd love to get rid of all optical drives in my consoles, due to the potentially high failure rate, and for practical reasons. If only we could get rid of failing capacitors the same way.

>>2254835
>Thinking of getting a RHEA. Worth it?
I just got one. Still waiting on the shipping.
>Any alternatives?
It's the only drive replacement available.

>>2254835
I have one. Very much worth it, although quite expensive.

>>2254826
y u so mean to saturn. might as well just use ssf then

>>2254857
Or you could play exclusive titles, or the games which have superior Saturn conversions, or the games which don't have easily accessible and perfectly emulated arcade versions, or at least some arcade ports that give you extra options (xmen vs sf on the Saturn had NOTHING, just an arcade mode and a VS mode)

And most of those games don't need the RAM cart.

I don't think I had to touch my Saturn Action Replay for the past 2 years...

>>2254465
I'd recommend just getting an NTSC Saturn. Transformers are cheap. Heard about alot of various compatibility issues with PAL Saturns.

>>2255034
>Heard about alot of various compatibility issues with PAL Saturns.

You probably heard something wrong then. As long as you do a 50/60 mod, a PAL Saturn will work the same as a NTSC one.

And NTSC Saturns are pretty expensive in PAL lands due to overseas shipping. 2-3x the price, usually.

>>2255624
That's why it's wise to find someone who already has had one imported.

I believe it was in a thread posted here actually. Their PAL Saturn was having problems doing 60hz with certain games.

Experience with various consoles has generally taught me it's prudent to just get an NTSC system anyway. You run into far less problems in the long run.

>>2255632
Because of internal power supply won't you need a step down converter if you want to use a NTSC in PAL land?

>>2255632
>Their PAL Saturn was having problems doing 60hz with certain games.

That should be physically impossible, given the structure of the saturn.
It was probably a problem related to something else.

>>2255658
Yes that's right, they're fairly inexpensive. Best to get one that outputs 110v so you have no problem with either Japanese or American machines.

>>2255034
I just use a 220-40v NTSC Saturn.

>>2255632
>I believe it was in a thread posted here actually. Their PAL Saturn was having problems doing 60hz with certain games.

That only happens with certain PAL titles.

NTSC games will run fine on a 60hz modded PAL machine.

>>2254826
have fun playing with Donovan, Pyron, Phobos on Vampire Savior.

>>2255682
I do understand stepdowns are expensive in some places but they run about $5 new and $1 second hand here. Feels good.

>>2255770
They are all in Vampire Savior 2.

>>2256325
nope

>>2254415
>deleting a thread that was just getting started

Janiter got jelly of my fortunate glorious collection pics.

>>2258264
post those pics

Where'd you guys get your Saturn from? Ebay prices are insane.

>>2259178
It's like $50....

>>2259186
Check the shipping.

>>2259178
EBay 120 with five games and a back up pack from japanland

>>2259178
A retro game store in Osaka's Shinsaibashi district

Recently picked up a Memory Card Plus to use the ram expansion for X-Men Vs. Street Fighter, but the 4mb part isn't compatible for some reason? Anybody else have experience with this? I'd rather not have to region mod it and get a real 4mb ram cart. :/

>>2259187
USPS is like 12-20 bucks?

SSF or Yabause?

>>2255624
Will the video be black and white unless you use rgb like the mega drive region mod?

>>2255693
how do you get one of those?

>>2259205
What auction are you looking at?

>>2259187
Order them from somewhere in your region, not from the other side of the world.

>>2259217
SSF.
Yabause is only good for debugging.

>>2259218
No, you'll be getting PAL60 if you 50/60 mod a PAL Saturn. However PAL regions also have official RGB Scart cables, so chances are that if you grab a PAL unit, it'll come with either a RGB cable, or an RF switch.

However if you 50/60 mod a NTSC Saturn, you'll get NTSC50, which will end up with black and white screen since barely any TVs can understand that non-standard signal (I think some Sony equipment can work with it, but most TVs can't).

>>2259203
Don't know about that one, but ram expansion games work fine with my Action Replay.

>>2259227
What are you talking about? Are you 3rd world beanville?

>>2259229
I think there's only 2 ram expansion games that require proprietary carts that come with the game. KOF95 and Ultraman game.

>>2259228
Will NTSC games run on Pal 60?

>>2254568
>$12
that would have been nice to see

last time I checked, I saw $50+ (was probably a US save cart) and went nope
although it doesn't matter since pretty much all of my Saturn games don't actually need to save

>>2259217
SSF by far.
I've never seen any game run remotely well in Yabause.

>>2259223
They made them for countries that are NTSC and use 220. Places like Korea, HK, Thailand, etc.

So let me get this straight, I do the disc-swap once, use this thing and then after that I can just burn CDs and play them? Does the action replay have to be inside the Saturn during boot only?

>>2259540
That fucking egg-toast looks so god damn delicious in the game every time I play it I have to go make some for myself.

There any recommended sites other than ebay to import Saturn hardware and games? The ones I've been looking at don't have much stock.

I have a Game Shark which cost me $20 new 4 or 5 years back and it's served me really well both as a memory card and as a regular GameShark. I believe it has 4 MB of memory,

>>2259540
I haven't flashed mine, but for the first part, yes, you only need to do the disk swap once to load the firmware. For the second one, not sure, but I'd assume no. Not sure why you would want to remove the cart anyway.

>>2259665
Shit is delicious.

>>2260314
To use my memory cart. Also, apparently flashing this on the AR takes away the AR functions so you can't use it to save.

Thinking about getting a Saturn but I live in PAL land and i'm a little confused by the 50/60Hz PAL switching suggestions above.

If i were to mod a PAL system using a V3 or similar, I'd expect that to take care of region problems when it comes to playing backups, but will it speed games up to 60Hz and eliminate the black borders? If I still need to do the 50/60Hz switch mod for that, are all PAL Saturn models the same mod? And is there any reason to to leave the mod on permanently and just play NTSC version of things?

Any recommendations for best mod chip and where to buy?

I could go an NTSC unit and get a stepdown, but that might lead to the kids blowing it up one day. How much power does the Saturn use, anyway, for transformer sizing? (I'm assuming an NTSCJ Saturn would play US games in English...)

>>2260584
The memory function will probably be added in a later version as well as other stuff.
If enough people care. I can appreciate the technical ingenuity of this but with modded Saturns costing me $5 I don't see the point. I guess things are very different is burgerica.

>>2259178
Ebay. Though the guy I bought it off of wasn't too far from me so I drove out and picked it up.

>>2260698
many PAL games are optimized, so running them at 60hz will cause problem (too fast, graphics stretched, or worse, glitches and bugs)
Note that this is completely independent of region lock. A jp game won't boot without a ST-Key or an AR even with the console set on 60hz. For burnt games this is not a problem since you can patch the region to match your console.

>>2260698
Copy protection, Region protection, and 50/60hz are all separate on the Saturn.

If you add a modchip, it will eliminate copy protection, but you still won't be able to play imports, and all your games will be in 50hz (some JP games don't even work in 50hz).

You can however region patch your games before burning.
Or install a region free bios (or have someone install it for you).

Best modchip is the Phantom Universal.
V3 chip is good in theory, but it uses random firmware in practice (it is scavenged from Chinese parts), so it has completely random compatibility and you may end up with a chip that just does not work on your machine.

50/60hz mod is a bit different on all the PAL motherboard types (there are 4-5 different ones). The only universal way is to raise the pin of the VDP2, but if you screw that it, you'll have to get another machine.

20-30W transformers tend to be enough, you don't need heavy duty stuff.

>>2260745
>The only universal way is to raise the pin of the VDP2

I have a V9 motherboard and i was thinking of doing that this spring, it looks tricky but not even that hard.
There are to few games for PAL regions.

>>2260745
>>2260736
Thank very much for the quick replies!

>Copy protection, Region protection, and 50/60hz are all separate on the Saturn.

I'll need to think about how i want to do things then :) I don't want to fuck things up by breaking the leg off one of the IC's!

>>2260736
Do you have a list of PAL-optimized games?

>>2260926
http://www.segasaturn.co.uk/games/sega_saturn_pal.html

>>2260926
http://www.segasaturn.co.uk/games/sega_saturn_pal.html

>>2260926
VF2, VF Kids, Fighting Vipers (I think), Athlete Kings, Panzer Dragoon Zwei, True Pinball, Baku Baku Animal, Sega Rally, Daytona CCE (probably), Toshinden (maybe both, but at least one), 3d lemmings, Andretti Racing, Quake, Duke 3d, Casper, Darklight Conflict, Deep Fear, Die Hard Arcade, Golden Axe The Duel, Grid Run, Last Bronx, Touring Car, Worldwide Soccer 98 (probably 97 too), Sim City 2000, Street Racer, Story of Thor 2, VF CG Collection, Virtual On, World League Soccer, Virtua Fighter Remix... and I think the first Panzer Dragoon may have been too.

That's not a complete list, and they are just the ones that run in PAL 256 line resolutions (or 512 in hires). Not all of them may have the speed optimized as well.

Also note that some titles were optimized poorly, like Puzzle Fighter PAL which runs in 256 line resolution but just fills the extra space with black bars (!!), so it will have part of the screen cut off if you run it in 60hz. Or Sega Ages, where they the timers work in real time, but the game speed is not changed, making the time limits 17% tighter.

when will there be a good saturn emulator? i just want to play doom on it (before you kek at me, thats the one i grew up playing)

>>2262293
Once Steve Snake has enough free time to finish one.

>>2262293
there's so much work and knowledge needed to write a good emulator that not many people are willing to do this kind of thing for free

My new Saturn and Mega CD Stuff arrived yesterday. Time to post pictures.

There was also a loose 4MB RAM expansion.

Can't wait to play games.

>>2262293
I couldn't believe how bad doom was on the saturn,did they just gimp it on purpose or what?

>>2263736
I am immensely jelly. I'll own a Saturn... someday.

>>2263793
Silpheed is hella fun

>>2264098
When you do, get one like mine. The Japanese models are the best looking ones.

>>2264114
They also end up looking like piss all too easily.

Only exception is the Hitachi Saturn, it probably looks the best.

>>2264139
Don't smoke. Personally prefer the American one best.

Question: I know these stickers are for IC cards, but would they look good as a label for the action replay cart? I figure this would look better then the generic action replay label.

>>2264145
It is caused by UV rays yellowing the plastic, not smoking.

>>2264139
Because smoking was a super common thing in the 90's. Any 90's system from Japan that has an ounce of white on it is gonna be piss yellow if people smoked around it.

>>2264164
It's both.

>>2264145
>>2264164
I think smoking can make it yellow out, too.

Keep them out of range of sunlight, in a place where smoke won't get into, and it won't yellow out. And even if it does, you can still repair the color or, in the ultimate case, replace the outside shell.

>>2254415
disgusting thing happened recently.
local comic/game store bought a saturn and games from someone and one of those titles was a CIB SF3.

they overprice all their shit more than Ebay and it just kills me they probably bought it all for like $20 and are going to sell even just the system for $50-$60.

>>2264145

I really like the Model 2.

Plus dat pad, definitely better than US/EU model 1 pads.

>>2264164
Smoking is the major cause with the Saturns in particular. The plastic seems to hold up well otherwise.
>>2264183
I like both the model 1 and 2. Prefer the model 1 though. I do really like the Jap model 2 that's smoke color.
3d controller is my favorite.

>>2264139
Not that one. The grey ones age better than either the black or white.

Late to the party, but I just recently got a new 1080p tv. I hooked my Saturn up to it (via the AV cables the Saturn came with) but everything looks really rough. Should I even bother with an upscaler or am I just out of luck? I'm kinda new to HDTVs so I'm at a loss here.

>>2264890
Modern TVs aren't so smart after all. The Saturn outputs 240p and HDTVs don't know how to deal with that. Anything prior to a Dreamcast will have that issue.

Lurk the /crt/ thread. It'll help you out immensely.

The short answer to your question: Yes, you need to get an external box in order to play a Saturn on a modern TV. That, or use an actual CRT monitor.

While you're at it, upgrade to S-Video or RGB SCART.

>>2264894

Got it. Thanks, man. It was hard to say goodbye to my CRT but my apartment is only big enough for one tv, and it felt like time to adapt to the modern age.

>>2264910
>>2264894
>>2264890
You'll need a scaler to get it looking very good.

>>2264890
start by enabling game mode if you have one, and also reduce/disable the sharpness setting. Try values like 0, 10, 25 as sometimes low values apply a blur.

So I've heard that the Saturn was in fact the best console of gen V as far as library goes. But I've also heard that 90% of the games that still hold up today can't play on an American Saturn.

Does this mean I need a PAL Saturn? But even if I got one wouldn't there be huge slowdown on my 60hz tv?

Help I guess.

>>2265327
Are you American? If so just get an American Saturn and an Action Replay 4-in-1 to play imports.

>>2265331
It's that simple?

>>2265327
No, it means you need a Japanese Saturn, and the ability to read Japanese.

>>2265346
Yes. You can definitely use a NTSC Saturn to play JP imports. Using a PAL Saturn is a bit trickier as you'll want 60Hz, but that's a possibility too. Japanese versions of games can be a lot cheaper too, as they are more common (eg, Panzer Dragoon Saga).

The biggest issue is moonrunes.

>>2265363
>>2265363
If I play pal games on a NA Saturn, will theere be slowdown or will the game run fine for 60hz?

>>2265410
>If I play pal games on a NA Saturn
>will the game run fine for 60hz?

>>2265410
no, and no, and no, no, no, and no.

>>2265410
Depends. Properly PAL optimized games will be a train wreck. A lot of games weren't optimized though (again, like Panzer Dragoon Saga) and will run just like their american counterpart, as they share the exact same code.

I don't have a list of PAL-optimized games, sadly.

>>2265410
It's possible to fit a 50hz switch to your saturn and it's easier than fitting a mod chip. Get your soldering iron out.

>>2265515

>>2260934

>>2265565
There's no reason to put a 50/60 switch on a NTSC Saturn though, and you won't even get colour display unless you use a RGB Scart cable.

Definitely looking into buying a Saturn, but I do not know which model to buy, or whether or not to pirate games.

>>2266409
The model doesn't matter much.

>>2266409
If you want to collect, get the console of the region you want to collect for. If you don't want to collect, get an NTSC Saturn, a pro-action replay that you can flash to play copies, and then pirate to your heart's content.

Hell, do both if you want to. That's what I do; I pirate stuff I like until I manage to find a physical copy for a decent price.

>>2266409
Did you recently win the lottery and find out that you only have a few months to live in which to spend the money?
If yes. The US version and originals.
If no. Japan version. Pirate rare games, or everything if you're really poor.

>>2258837
oh, ok.

>>2258837

>>2266913
I don't see Devil Summoner or Soul Hackers

>>2266919
I don't see Megaman 8

>>2266919

>no SFA2

>>2265839
Missing that. Fucking A. Thanks.

Posting my games. Deep Fear and Street Fighter Collection are probably my most valuable.

Posting my games. Deep Fear and Street Fighter Collection are probably my most valuable PAL ones apart from..

>>2267574
Panzer Dragoon Saga. There's only one copy here, but it comes in 2 boxes of 2 discs each, my dog ate the cardboard container unfortunately in the early noughties.

>>2267576
Japanese imports, Waku Waku 7 isn't a very good port, better sticking with MAME. Radiant Silvergun is still amazing to this day.

>>2267581
More PAL games, KEIO 2 apparently goes for a bundle now.

>>2267582
Finally more imports. Battle Garaga and SFA3 are my most treasured Japanese games.

Impressive collection but damn I can't stand those modern dvd game cases PAL Saturn games came in.

>>2267589
There were two versions of those. The earlier ones were awful and fell apart easily around the spine, the later ones were pretty decent though and were very robust, far more so than the CD jewel cases of Japanese and US games.

>>2267591
I like the jewel cases personally. I've still never broken one. at least not in a way that a DVD wouldn't had cracked either. Like the one time my car accidentally ran over a music CD while backing out.
I have 1 DVD case in my entire retro collection. That's just for my copy of Christmas NiGHTS.

I never seen a saturn ever and never got much into it, but i just noticed something on the OP's picture.
Do all the saturns have genesis/mega drive game slots?

>>2267620
Yes. It's an expansion slot. I never had a Saturn till years later towards the end of 6th gen. They weren't that popular in America.

>>2267621
oh, sorry for the stupid question.
Was there many games that needed the expansion pack?

>>2267620
>Do all the saturns have genesis/mega drive game slots?
I wish the Saturn had a Mega Drive slot.

>>2267624
In America none of the games need it. The only thing it was used for in America is for the extra backup memory cart.

In Japan it was used for a backup memory cart, modem, and extra ram. A few games used the extra ram and one or two actually require their own ram cart.

>>2267654
it really looked like it, and i thought it made sense because of how the genesis was still alive back then and they probably wanted to have backwards compatibility

>>2267668
Megadrive was completely dead in Japan, hell it never even was alive to begin with. So from that point of view, it made sense that the Saturn had no compatibility.

what was that saturn game called,
the one with the REAL time girlfriend
was in japanese, there was a guy playing it here and posting but he got dumped it seems as he stopped posting lel.

>>2267779
>lel
Leave.

>>2267779
Sounds like Roommate Inoue Ryoko. I wish I spoke enough moon to play it.

>>2267789
lel butthurt kid

>>2267790
dead on point sir,
thankyou very much

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxThZ_shV-A

>>2267779
Those threads were fun. Shame the guy stopped.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cl6b9wfiVI

>japan only

>>2268916

Yeah, saw that a couple minutes ago too.
It's beautiful, that Saturn CDA bios really needed to be revamped in some way.

but yeah, japan onry.

>>2268921
preasu understanduru

we want to make neentendo famiry friendry, and arrowing a region free system would not work with our current agenda

WE HOPE YOU ENJOY ETRIAN MYSTERY DUNGEON

I'd be more interested if they added Saturn games to VC.

>>2268941
>VC

Is that even still going?

>>2268979
Why wouldn't it? Talking about virtual console right?

So I'm a bit of an idiot when it comes to Saturn stuff, what's currently the best option for modding?

I live in Europe, and I was originally thinking about a modchip, but they're seemingly impossible to find these days. Rhea sounded good, then I saw the price tag and figured I'd be better off blowing out a few lasers over a decade.

I'm obviously going to have to open my Saturn up for a 50/60 and region switch, but that's not really an issue, seems pretty simple, drilling a few holes and soldering in some switches.

I hear talk of swap disc methods, but those always seem like such a hassle if you're planning on having a library of burned games. So, what's the cheapest method, and what's the best?

>>2271754
Easiest/cheapest is probably to just use 4-in-1 Action Replay. That's what I (also PAL guy) have to play imports.

>>2271760
So a total cost of 20 quid for the cart, and the loss of the slot? Seems simple, but it feels like it's about what you'd pay for a modchip, and you wouldn't lose the ability to put in RAM expansions. Wish those things were still available.

With the AR cart flashing, what else do you have to do to the actual console? Just the 50/60 mod?

>>2271782
The modchips are available occasionally, check the stores that carry them now and then to see if they've restocked.

>>2271782
I didn't notice you were talking about modding there. But in all honesty I haven't had the use to put in RAM extension carts as the AR doubles as those. I'm not very technologically inclined so the easiest choice is good enough for me.

>>2271808
It seems the AR still functions as the RAM carts after patching, so that's fine. I'm still curious about whether or not you need to do any other mods. Does the cart auto-switch between 50/60 based on region, or do you still need a physical switch?

>>2259178
Craigslist. $20 with model 1 and 2 controllers, nights controller, fighting stick, and a bunch of games (mortal kombat 2, myst, Dayton USA, virtua fighter, nights, and wingarms.)

>>2271814
50/60 switching REQUIRES a physical mod.

>>2271754
Where in Europe do you live?
I might sell you a premodded machine, I'd have to put my last spare modchip in that though. Modchip, 50/60 switch next to the battery (videocd card still fits and the case isn't drilled apart), regionfree bios.
I have some spare accessories too (jp controllers, jp memory carts, composite cable, rgb cable).

Shipping prices might kill the deal though.

If you want to be super cheap, burn region patched games and load them with disc swapping. You can save in the internal memory, but that thing is small and battery backed. You still need memory expansion, but not many exclusives needed that.

>>2271892
Fair enough, looks incredibly simple anyway.

>>2271995
Already bought a model 1 and an AR in the UK. Region patching and disc swapping seemed like a real hassle, and when I weighed in the cost of waiting weeks for cheap Jap memory expansions to pop up, I couldn't be bothered. Easier and probably cheaper to just go with the AR.

Incidentally, how does memory backup work? I'm assuming I can just copy off the crappy battery storage to a card without a disc inserted?

>>2272008
>Fair enough, looks incredibly simple anyway.

If you know what you are doing, yeah. If you don't, there are pitfalls.

>Incidentally, how does memory backup work? I'm assuming I can just copy off the crappy battery storage to a card without a disc inserted?

On an action replay, you can manually copy over stuff from/to the internal memory. Note that if the Action Replay kicks the dust, or if you flash it to run backups, you'll lose all savegames as they are stored in the same flash chip as the firmware.

With an official memory card, 99% of the games can save to it directly and will ask you where to save (internal or cartridge). The remaining 1% will automatically save to internal memory, but MOST of the time you can just copy that into the cart in the Saturn memory manager (hold L/R shifts while booting), and the games will read them fine.
There are some games that can only read savegames from internal memory and will completely ignore the save cart, but the only such titles I found so far were the Digital Pinball titles.

Action Replay does not allow you to save to them directly from in-game, since games see it as a RAM expansion, not a backup cart. That also means that certain huge saves are not possible to do on it (Fighting Vipers game replays, Sega Rally ghost car data, Dezaemon 2 anything, more than 1 city in Sim City 2k, etc).

>>2272023
>If you know what you are doing, yeah. If you don't, there are pitfalls.
It looks like a 2 wire jumper job right next to the save battery on all models. There's that shit where you pull up a pin that seems like more of a hassle and an easy way to lock yourself in 50hz if you break the pin off, but that doesn't seem necessary unless I'm missing something.

2 more questions, are memory cards region free, and can you hotswap between the flashed AR and one while you're playing a backup? It seems like the AR would only be needed for the booting unless you're running one of the games that require the RAM expansion.

>>2272026
>on all models.

Not on all models. Not even on all PAL Model 1s.

The only method that works on all models is lifting the VDP2 pin, but that is of course risky.

>are memory cards region free

Yes, all peripherials are except the Video CD card.

>can you hotswap

Not without potentially damaging something, like on EVERY SINGLE CARTRIDGE BASED SYSTEM EVER.