/vr/ - Retro Games

===NEWS===

[02-24] Uplink, a four-map Boom set themed around technology: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/71350-uplink-boom-mapset-3-maps-and-a-half-so-far-huge-update/

[02-18] Just GZDoom, a GZDoom-focused community mapset: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=47895

[02-14] Instagram/#Selfie Doom: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1344760

[02-07] Valiant, a 32-map megawad for MBF-compatible ports, by skillsaw: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1342825

[02-01] 50 monsters E1: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/71625-50-monsters-e1/

[01-30] Hocus Doom update: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18675596/Doomstuff/hocusdoom-01-24-15.pk3

[01-29] Eriance retires, releases all remaining Demon Eclipse resources: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=809621#p809621 https://www.dropbox.com/s/5cyq8ainn1knnd7/DEHEv01.rar?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/oh965ifww68270z/DEHE-RES.rar?dl=0

[01-26] You can finally upload stuff to /idgames again, seems like Ty took care of the issue.

[01-26] Devs Play feat. Romero http://www.doomworld.com/vb/doomworld-news/71519-devs-play-doom/

[01-26] Mythbusters does Doom http://www.doomworld.com/vb/doomworld-news/71568-have-you-seen-my-chainsaw/

[01-26] /newstuff Chronicles 472: http://www.doomworld.com/php/topstory.php?id=4329

[01-23] Russian Overkill v2.3 update: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=809099#p809099

[01-22] 3 heures d'agonie 3 has been launched a few days ago, no information on how many maps have been done so far. This time rules are a little more strict and a certain quality standart is required to improvave the wad's global quality.

[01-17] New Push release v0.6b. Banners for everybody. http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=47076

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Please reply to this post with news.

So, remember Unloved? It's back, but not in pog form.

http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1347196

>>2257543
>roguelike elements
FUCK
OFF

>>2257543
>Random level generation
No thank you.

Everything else is potentially okay but that's the deal breaker.

>>2257543

>roguelike elements

that's medikit on head retarded.

>>2257563
>medikit on head

CHARCOLAAAAAAAAAAA

>>2257568
Hmm? I don't see anyone here who needs a medkit badly...

Yeah, miserable aiming aside, I think this might be really cool.

>>2257598
Okay so I can make sense of hitting someone with the big spike.

The dart fragments however don't seem to have much of a practical use.
It didn't seem strong enough to take out the imp unless every single shard hit.
Maybe it should be a teeny bit stronger so it can kill 2 imps?
Or maybe the shards should spread out more so you can carpet bomb a group?

The direct big spike hit looks fine.

>>2257543

This is probably as much as I expected from Unloved, honestly.
Some kind of shitty not-horror indie thing.

>>2257627

I added more darts to the spray, and bumped the damage, I'm probably gonna make the spray wider too

>>2257580
nice to see one of yours coloured, i think you need to try doing different hair styles though, all your drawings seem to have the same shoulder length layered bob or whatever it is.

>>2257598
That's cool and all, but doesn't that kind of overlap with what the regular mode's charge does, area of effect damage stuff? It looks like rather than splash, it just creates a cloud of daggers instead. I thought the idea was to create something that would pierce through crowds and hit stuff in the back better than an explosion that'd hit the front of them would.

>>2257682

The buster's charged shot does a 360 AOE splash, the bolt does a conical spray of hurt.

and I've decided against piercing because just making it a ripper lacked feedback, and if I were to make a hit effect that spawns extra projectiles would overlap with the rocket lance's new item crash I got planned.

I got too many fucking weapons

>>2257682
I was the one who originally suggested the piercing shot and looking at the cloud of darts I can see it having a use over the Buster cannon(I need a name to call the level 2 charge shot, seriously)

So the cloud of daggers seem to pierce, so it should ideally work as a way to deal with a row of enemies in front of you.
While the Buster Cannon would hit only the enemies in the front.

>>2257687
You should reduce the radius on the pushback of the Buster cannon a bit.

>>2257517
>removing brutal doom test release from the news because you're autistic

>>2257703
certainly not because mark requested it
stay mad, dumbass

>>2256558
90% of /vr/ posters fucking ARE doom general

>>2257705
my bad, I didn't catch up on the last tenth of the last thread

E2M1ED - http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=36

just a few shapes. you start off in a pool of water and follow a tube until you reach a teleporter. on the other side is another set of similarly default-textured tubes connected by a central lift. it's one of those horrible slow lifts. there's a slightly more hell-themed secret area. eventually you return to the first teleporter, by another (which is totally misaligned with the grid) to find a wall has opened and there's the exit switch.

on the other hand, let's give it a break: this was probably made so soon after BSP had been figured out, and nodebuilders had become available, that any new geometry was impressive by itself.

>>2257709
i know you're exaggerating, but it's interesting to look at the numbers. usually, doom threads last 500-550 posts before being recreated, but the difference in post number from one thread to the next seems to be around 7000. that means fewer than 10% of total /vr/ posts are in these threads.

>>2257598
I know I'm really out of the loop here but what's the mod you guys keep posting webms of and discussing changes to?

>>2257740
that one in particular is GMOTA.

>>2257740

GMOTA. It's a mod inspired by pretty much every fantasy arcade Capcom game ever. Run by a thick headed dev who's painfully wishy washy on development and is prone to switch things around that'll give you whiplash bad enough your skull flies out.

So yeah hi play my mod and give me feedback.

Anyone heard about this dude going around on /idgames calling anyone who rates 5 stars on a Terry WAD the author?

>>2257773

>terrywads

don't know, don't care.

>>2257781
I never said I liked Terry WADs, dumbass.

>>2257785

dont get salty about it, then.

>>2257773
Why do people call them terrywads?

Wouldn't trollwad suffice?

>tfw still holding off on doing a BTSX playthrough

When are they going to have that last E1 map finished for it?

Smooth doom is so fucking awesome, I can't believe I haven't discovered it earlier. It allows you to play maps the way the authors wanted you to, but still making everything look and feel much better than vanilla in my opinion.

>>2257797
esselfortium is not yet done megatexturing it. There's going to be an area with unicorn tracks in a misty meadow in early spring bloom and he can't get any good reference photos anywhere.

>Mapping - things you like and don't like

I always ask this every few threads but I like to come back and read all the answers.

What are some things you think are cool in maps, what are some things you don't like?

>>2257874
Isn't the last remaining e1 map a skillsaw map, though?

>>2257891
That one has been ready for months now. One of the essel maps is getting extra eye-candy though.

>>2257885
>like
Map07s that make use of the gimmick without being Dead Simple clones. Valiant pulled it off really well, though I found it easier than expected to keep the mancubus alive.

>don't like
Mazes that aren't on the automap. Why the fuck would you do this. Just why.

>>2257885
>Cool in maps
Brisk paced level sets with fast and frantic encounters

>Things I don't like
Hordes of nonthreatening HP walls.

If there really has to be like a shitload of monsters just spammed then please don't have anything with more HP than a Hell Knight.

Because it's so god damn boring.

>>2257885
Map30's that are full levels. Eternal Doom, Scythe 2, and Resurgence are good examples.

>>2257901
>Map07s that make use of the gimmick without being Dead Simple clones. Valiant pulled it off really well, though I found it easier than expected to keep the mancubus alive.
This

>>2257906
Forgot to clarify, but the map30's thing is a thing that I like, btw.

>>2257896
Ah, I see. How long should we expect this new release?

>>2257885
Can't think of anything specifically likeable right now, but I can think of 2 things I don't like.

>Having maps that are all fast paced and full of fights suddenly turn into switch hunts

>Having powerful items be in a place where the player can't avoid running over them, sucks to have 180 health but then have to run over a soulsphere because it's in the way

>>2257901
Can you give an example of what you mean on the map 07 remix you like?

Agreed on the automap.
If I'd include something like that in a map it would be more for a super secret or something and it's goodies for the player that you wanted to hide or something like that, not a maze.

>>2257912
What Valiant Map07 did, was make it that if you kill the Mancubus, the tag 666 effect will open closets for Arch-Viles to teleport in and ruin your day.

>>2257905
>Hordes of nonthreatening HP walls.

Sometimes it can work I think, but maybe I'm reading you wrong and then it's "threatening".

The Cacoward winner "Mayan Mishap" had something like this in it's 2nd last level where you had a horde of imps to fight and you've bot barons/knights behind you shooting at you and the imps are like this gigantic meat shield.

They may also overrun the BFG so you'll have a harder time taking them out if you can't pick it up in time.

Individually they're weak but together they're stronger, good slaughtermaps I guess can be an example on hordes done well.

>>2257917
My idea is like how some levels just throw like a million Barons of Hell and you have a shitload of rockets and cells and they just kind of come at you from the front.

The Imps do not come off as a massive nonthreatening HP wall, they exist to deny the player space.

The key difference between a wall of imps and a wall of barons is entirely about pacing.

>>2257917
Think what he meant was hordes of bullet sponges, particularly if they're hell knights/barons, that serve no purpose other than to add tedium to the situation (ie, its not necessarily hard to deal with at all, its just very time consuming, and thus becomes a bore).

>>2257912
Valiant Map07 has a single mancubus in the center of the main area of the map. If it dies before you clear the area, 16 arch-viles are released to roast your ass. The map doesn't really try to kill the mancubus, unfortunately. It spawns a few cacodemons and I think some arachnotrons on the other side of the map in an attempt to trigger infighting, but the majority of enemies are just direct obstacles.

>>2257942
>>2257947
Ah yes now I understand.

True, I think holding down the fire button on the BFG is kind of annoying now. Can sometimes be cathartic though to waste hordes of enemies with powerful guns from mods though.

Pic related.

>>2257948
I'll check it out.

>>2257885
>things I like

Maps that force you to move around to fight. One of my favorite aspects of Doom's gameplay is the speed, and I like when it's exploited.

Monster/ammo layout that makes it so that the SSG isn't the mainstay weapon. It makes for a nice change.

Maps that transition between themes well (techbase/cave, medieval/hell, etc.).

Level design that tells a story (like Equinox or BTSX).

>things I don't like

Getting surrounded by monsters from instant lifts. Especially chaingunners. It's a cheap, uninteresting, no-effort way to add artificial difficulty.

Fighting anything beefier than a revenant with a shotgun/chaingun.

Maps that supplement their shitloads of revenants with additional cockloads of revenants. Revs are fine by me, but the hordes get old.

Unnecessary Romero head death exits. I hate that sound.

>>2257974
>>2257974
I honestly find that kind of power really boring.

I think some mods hit a really good balance of power though.
I love the pacing of Demonsteele for example, thanks to the rank system it feels like it fits for just about any difficulty range with maps.

After playing GMOTA recently very EXTENSIVELY to have fun and to find balance issues it also feels really good for any enemy count.

What's important to me is that the enemies can still fight back and be a threat.
Russian Overkill makes it so lopsided no matter what difficulty is chosen.

>>2257975
>Monster/ammo layout that makes it so that the SSG isn't the mainstay weapon. It makes for a nice change.

>Fighting anything beefier than a revenant with a shotgun/chaingun.

Thing with the SSG is that it's so damn good. I'd almost say OP but not quite.

Though playing maps made for Doom 1 you really do get bothered having only a shotgun to fight some monsters. The SSG allowing you to blow away a pinkie in 1 blast or shoot up a Baron with a decent pace really makes a huge difference.

I'm wondering about a shotgun/chaingun/rocket launcher combo myself.

>Level design that tells a story (like Equinox or BTSX).

Been a bit since I played it but what story was BTSX telling? I mean outside the story screens themselves.

>Unnecessary Romero head death exits. I hate that sound.

Agreed, and it's always so fucking loud.

>>2257984
Should have specified.
I meant more for a cathartic sense rather than serious challenge.

Like going back to hard levels and being like "Yeah, how do you like it now?".

Though Samsara for instance has some pretty cool BFG slot weapons. Duke's devestators are great.

>>2257984

>it also feels really good for any enemy count

That's what I've been trying so hard to achieve, something that works for traditional maps, but also capable of tackling slaughterwads too.

>>2257975
>Unnecessary

While I'll agree that the romero/barrels sounds are too loud, the whole point behind the death exit was to have you pistol start the next episode.

>>2257986
>I'd almost say OP but not quite.

I'd say it is OP, no doubt about it. It deals nearly 3x as much damage, for the price of just two shells.

>Though playing maps made for Doom 1 you really do get bothered having only a shotgun to fight some monsters. The SSG allowing you to blow away a pinkie in 1 blast or shoot up a Baron with a decent pace really makes a huge difference.

What? The Doom 1 levels would be way too touristy with the Double Barrel. Theres not enough higher tier monsters to warrant it. Only regular monsters that take more than one shot to kill are the Cacodemon and the Baron. And before you complain about it being tedious to use the normal shotty on Barons, Doom 1 still has plenty of Rocket Launchers and Plasma Rifles for dealing with them.

>>2257990
You pretty much nailed it on the noggin perfectly GMOTA guy.
For a long time I was thinking Blaz couldn't take on a slaughtermap and I decided to go right into Sunder with him to see how he does.

He does really well provided you do a few things(Apply Boomerang sword to monsters liberally, apply spike turrets too. However he's capable without these) but it also showed how clearly the Item Crashes need the upcoming revamps and how the Axes are still really not so useful. POW Lances might need a slight damage boost too. Daggers and Torches were the go to weapons
Took him through the WHOLE thing regardless.

You might need to tone down the effects on the Revenant replacements, it really slows the game down when a lot of them decide to be crazy all at once.
Their skulls seperating is also grating but Boomerang sword helps a bit.
That needs better tracking though because it going in satellite mode makes it useless if it circles around something small and annoying

>>2257986
I can see the fun in using something like Devastators.
I just don't really see the enjoyment in using Russian Overkill's weaponry though. It's really powerful especially against living things but it doesn't feel satisfying.

Meanwhile I can pick up something like say.. Accessories to Murder and just turn on infinite ammo with the Minigun and it feels more satisfying.

>>2258000
Maybe.

I just find it a chore to be blasting away at pinkie mobs with the regular shotgun. It just seems so wimpy in comparison to the SSG.

Though it's true that it's basically the "always out" weapon. Though on that note making maps that don't include it can be a real gamble, I think many players would be angrily wondering where the hell it is after the first 5 minutes, like the level doesn't really start until you get it.

Does 'always run' feature exist in the original Doom? I've only played the sourceport version.

>>2258002
You honestly shouldn't be using ammo on Pinkies. Use the chainsaw/berserk instead, and if you can't, chaingun is better than shotgun.

>>2258004
I believe it does. However, you can't disable it during play IIRC.

>>2258001

Regarding torches vs axes, I've been toying with the idea of lowering the fire rate of torches and further buffing Axe damage, I'm not sure if you noticed but I DID raise the damage a little, they also fly faster as well.

Also by revenant effects are you taking about the red sparks the skulls spawn? I could lower that easy, and yeah despite how cool it looks, I'm bringing back a more aggressive homing effect for the thrown sword

>>2258010
toggle* not disable

>>2258012
Yeah the red sparks.
And maybe a bit of whatever effects the bones have too.

When a lot of angry boners throwing their heads and bones are going around the game slows down quite a bit.

I couldn't have noticed the axe damage because there was no new test version that I'm aware of
Do two axes come out on each toss or was that idea AXED?

Torches I feel are actually really handy for their crashes in their current state. It causes just enough havoc and has a lot of defensive use with the flame pillars and such.

But I mostly roll with POW Daggers on slaughtermaps because it's just really handy.

Hey did that Ultimate Doom 64 wad ever come out?

>>2257994
Yeah, those ones make sense, but I've seen death exits in standalone levels. That's more what I was complaining about.

>>2257986
>what story was BTSX telling?

I guess BTSX wasn't the best example for that. But the hub levels do give a sense that you're progressing through a larger area.

>>2258081
Author got CAD'd

>>2258145
>CAD'd

Are any of the Doom books any good?

>>2258145

he got Computer Area Drafted?

(there's nothing in urban dictionary so I think you better explain that new acronym of yours)

>>2258202

I think the overall consensus was that the first one was the best (or least shitty) of the bunch. Then it becomes the author's power fantasy or something.

>>2258205
Cease And Desist

>>2258208
>Cease And Desist
>on a fucking doom mod

you better source that up

>>2257745
It's shit, and i like it.

>>2258202
>>2258205

One night when I went to sleep and started thinking about Doomguy, I came up with a little story about him.

It's probably quite shitty but I could tell it anyway if you are interested.

>>2258202
The first two novels are great. They're basically novelizations of KDitD and Shores of Hell. You can even recognize actual in-game locations from the text. Lots of action and minimal story bullshit, just like the games.

The last two novels turn into some weird space opera that diverges wildly from the games. While they're not bad in themselves, they're not really Doom either. Still, worth reading just to see Doomguy leading around a contingent of friendly talking imps and cacodemons.

>>2258209

aaand no source, of course.

>>2258004
>>2258010
it does exist. but not intentionally.
http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Autorun

>>2258239
>friendly talking imps and cacodemons.
Somebody, do a HDoom rewrite of that thing.

>>2258269
"doomguy-senpai I really L-L-L---"

"yo dawg caco-chan in the house wassup"

"GYAAAHHHH"

>>2258235
Oh well... Here we go!

When the tough marine died, right after the UAC fuck up, he woke up in completely different place. And there were somebody waiting him. He first thought that it was one of those demons again, playing his mind. Just
when he was ready to punch the fucker in the face, he noticed it wasn't attacking right away like the others.

He quickly glanced the dark figure. Guess he isn't hostile.

Marine sighs. "So where the hell am i now?"

The dark figure speaks. "Well it's not hell exactly."

"Exactly? Who the fuck are you!?"

"We have been watching you, when you still were in your dimension. We are impressed of your fighting skill agaist the hell forces. We like to offer a deal with you."

"... a deal?"

"You can stay here enjoy your happy after life and forget your unpleaseant earthly things... Or your can go back and fight the demons back to hell."

"Wouldn't I end right back here, if go back to that shithole?"

"Not with our help... You can go back there and never have to die again."

"Like... An immortal?"

"Yes... But understand that becoming immortal, you have to fight the demons forever and never rest again, repel them and save the human race."

"Wh-what? Who the fuck do you think you are!"

"We know your full potential. We know that you wont settle this easy if you have change for a rematch. And WE KNOW that you are the ONLY change that earth has."

"Well... If you really can do that, I guess I don't have a choice. You got a deal then."

Just when marine was trying to shook hands, in that instant doomguy was sent back fighting the beasts on UAC facility.

And so, that marine became a scary legend in the underworld. With unknown forces
enabling him to war alone against the whole hell. Forever doomed fighting, never resting, twisting him taking plesure destroying the damned enemies in the most brutal ways and never ever dying. Somehow, he always comes
back.

Question about ZDoom and DECORATE:
Can I make muzzleflash sprite appear BELOW the gun in the rendering sequence when implementing it through a Flash weapon state, or does it always appear on top no matter what?
(I want to use a complete muzzleflash sprite without the need to cut it out for different weapons)

>>2257885
Off topic but I can't help but imagine that Mastermind having the same voice as Mother Brain in that old Captain N cartoon.

The Big Stairs Experiment - http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=3228

this map dated Sept.1995 is by the author's admission "This was how I learned to use DEEP". as such it seems like a map more in common with those produced 18 months prior, when editing with new geometry was in its infancy.

it's just one huge room, with the eponymous staircase up one side, and a waist-high wall along the other, separating you from the exit switch by which you start. there are some imps on pillars, a pain elemental in the lane to the exit, and a mancubus is revealed to guard the switch at the top of the staircase, which lowers the wall blocking the exit lane, and also several of the imp pillars.

it is not irredeemably awful by my standards; i like large open spaces, tall ceilings, huge height variation, and so on. so for me i found it quite charming, but i wouldn't be able to recommend it to the "typical" doom player.

shortcuts: at first it appears the exit switch is just in reach, but i was not able to hit it; however, running up the staircase and then onto the mancubus's ledge allows the possibility of a strafejump over the waist-high wall. a little more thought showed the switch at the top of the stairs was pressable from below, and the staircase could be avoided entirely.

This is now a Chex man thread.

SO MUCH WIN!

>>2258351
Hey man! Really dig your "random idgames" reviews! Do you post'em somewhere outside /vr/doom? Doomworld forums, or maybe idgames themselves?

You can taste the awesomeness!

>>2258324
It will always appear on top no matter what.

A way around that would be to set the weapon sprites during that frame in the normal weapon decorate to the muzzleflash sprite you want to use, make it +BRIGHT, and then have the flash state be the actual weapon sprite, and don't make it +BRIGHT.

>>2258359

This shit even comes free AOL TRIAL!

>>2258371

True fact ID Helped with game read disk label print

>>2257869
Yeah it's pretty great.
I find myself wanting some minor gameplay changes out of it though.

>>2258374

Check out this MOD! SO much win!

>>2258202
They're ok, but far from perfect.

The first book is by far the best (has a very lonely and dark feeling, which I like, you can really imagine the Phobos and Deimos installations in their mind when they describe them), then it gets less good with each book (though two, and in extension three, aren't too bad, even four is worth reading for how absolutely weird it is).

It gets pretty campy and cringe worthy in some parts, and at around the third book, the authors run out of Doom so it's like they're making that really weird Sci-Fi novel they always wanted to make. Demons basically disappear at this point and it's about a distant alien race.

Genuine spoiler:
A plot point is that the demons and hell aren't actually demons, but aliens that are genetically engineered to look like demons as a terror tactic, the plan for the attack on earth was formed when Earth was still in the middle ages, but because the human race actually evolves and develops faster than almost every single other civilization in the known universe, the aliens were caught off guard completely, as even though they are more technologically advanced than us, the leaps in technology we made within 1000 years would have taken most others millions and millions of years.

A lot of people didn't like that the demons weren't actually demons from hell, and I can see that, and even agree, but at the same time, I think the way it's done is sort of clever.


The fourth book always made me think of older TeamTNT wads for some reason (Icarus, Daedalus, etc)

There's some /k/ stuff in there, some of it is interesting, some of it not, some of it is nonsense.
I like the idea of the "Sigcow" 10mm carbine, it feels like a modern day equivalent of the old US M1 Carbine.
There's mention of an M14BAR, which is more than perplexing, and a shotgun with a "150 round drum", a drum magazine I imagine would be the size of a coffe-table (even a 20 round drum for a shotgun is usually big and clunky).

>>2258374
Gameplay changes would ruin smooth doom. Its not what its for.

Is there a Decorate version of Selfie doom? Will it ever get updated with more faces and such?

BLEM

Is it possible to turn my desktop cursor into daisy's head just like in Gzdoom?

Also someone needs to do a video of this gif to this song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yrfYoZVPIg

>getting a little closer
>implying that's not kiting his melee attack

Actually scratch that is it possible to make this spinning guy a cursor?

>>2258407
>is_this_nigga_sirius.png

You can make anything into a cursor

>>2258202
>John Stalvern Waited...

>>2258393
They could be toggleable. Mod has lots of toggleables already.
And just minor things, like making weapon switch speed faster, and removing the fire delay in the shotgun.

For those who know Russian, a Doom poem:
http://flibusta.net/b/133253/read
Hello from '98

>>2258396
there will be a decorate version, it probably won't have any more faces though.

>>2258419
I just don't see the point of having gameplay options in a mod thats supposed to be purely cosmetic.

>>2258421
Zhirinovsky walks into the Yeltsin's office with a chainsaw and blood-stained hands. Yeltsin asks him
- Vladimir, what happened?
- Well, Boris, I was playing Doom in Duma...

Satan comes to God and says
- Did you made a thunderstorm over Kiev Polytechnic Institute recently? Did you threw any lightnings into 5th facility?
- Why yes, I did. What of it?
- They had ungrounded machinery in there! Four of the students fell down straight to me and now they're running around the place with buzzsaws yelling "Yay, Doom 3" and "Where's the fucking switch"!

Hacker dies. God comes to him and says:
- Well, you were sinful, but not much. So make three wishes, and then I'll send you to Hell
- IDDQD, IDKFA, and fuck third wish, send me straight to hell right now!
- NIGHTMARE, says God

Stierlitz was walking down the hallway and suddenly he saw a Bormann. He pulled out a BFG and shot Bormann six times, but Bormann just walked past him.
"IDDQD", thought Stierlitz.
"IDKFA", thought Bormann.

Stierlitz was walking past the office and noticed that Bormann was in there. He took out his pistol and shot Bormann dead. Couple of minutes later Bormann ran out of the office with the gun in his hand.
"NIGHTMARE", thought Stierlitz

Well I've encountered a bit of a problem if I make the big sphere shot in GMOTA bounce off actors, it makes the projectile feel COMPLETELY weightless and wimpy.

So I guess I'll need to think of a different secondary fire, between suggestions and personal attempts at brainstorming I got:

>some kinda short range constant spray of shrapnel

>a big sphere that flies out and then sends out two or three "arms" made of spikeballs that whirl around

>a projectile with some kinda manual detonation

>a heavy ball that crunches into a monster, falls to the floor, and then does... something

Shit

>>2259206
>I make the big sphere shot in GMOTA bounce off actors, it makes the projectile feel COMPLETELY weightless and wimpy
Can you make it so that the actors are bouncing off the big sphere, and not the other way around?

>>2259247

Only if I give it +ripper and a lot of projectile knockback, which is what it originally did, the problem with that however is it's far too easy to abuse it and insta-cheese tougher monsters. This is why I've been trying to come up with a better secondary fire

>>2259206
>some kinda short range constant spray of shrapnel
I don't like this.
I can see many reasons not to use it, the big one being that there is no reason to use this when I could call out some turrets and punch the crap out of monsters with my fists for close range dominance.

>a big sphere that flies out and then sends out two or three "arms" made of spikeballs that whirl around
Could be interesting.

>a projectile with some kinda manual detonation
Too much overlap with the Earthshaker.

>a heavy ball that crunches into a monster, falls to the floor, and then does... something
What is the something?

>Doom 2, map 11

Why is this map so awesome?
What can we learn from it?

I just love this map.

>>2259251
Well, that's the problem - if you shoot something big and spherical, it should either squash enemies, knock them away like pins or blow up really hard.

>>2259256
>What is the something?

I haven't a fucking clue. I've been left a little creatively bankrupt as of late regarding Blaz, good thing too seeing as I'm nearing the end of his development

or it better be the end or I'm going to be very unhappy with myself, no more adding shit, and no more overhauls.

>>2259264
>Heavy ball falls to the floor
>Bounces up
>Falls back down
>Repeats for awhile
>Anything that goes under it gets smooshed
No good?

>Hit monster with heavy ball
>Splat
>Ball bounces upward
>Slams down
>Needles everywhere with a boom

>>2259274

>that second one

>>2259274
There's a weapon like the first one in Bulletstorm.

>>2259274
First one reminds me of a soviet joke.

"USSR dropped a nuclear bomb on China, resulting in two million casualties. China retaliated by dropping a rubber bomb on USSR, resulting in ten million casualties and counting, bomb is still bouncing."

>>2259289
Never played it.
I saw the shotgun and just knew I wouldn't like the game.

>>2259292
And you were right, it's pretty much a CoD with nice-looking reskin.

I guess you dodged a bullet

>>2258202
>>2258391

>>2259258
guys?

So uhm. This is definitely not my original idea.

>>2259258 >>2259330
it is good, but as for why, nothing springs to mind immediately.

i can't think of many clones of it either. mm2 map21 has the circle part, as does, iirc, one of the raven series maps.

>>2259295
>>2259292
I liked it. Mindless fun and kill combos.

>>2258942
What map is that?

>>2259352
i think it's D2INO map31

>>2259345
>i can't think of many clones of it either

Neither can I.

I'd like to know if there are any "remixes" or whatever of it though, might help see what it was that made it what it was.

>>2259339

neat.webm

>>2259416
It might also could use a lower delay before it slams into the floor and sprays spikes everywhere.

>>2259416
Needs more DAMAGE

Just finished my first map ever! This is for Push, called "Heifong Virtual Arena".

>>2259426

Less delay, MORE SPIKES

>>2259431

I'll probably ramp the damage up a little more, those spikes rip

What are the quintessential map PWADs? I need to make a big list to play and I keep finding myself playing the same ones in lumbering around the megawad /idgames list but I need to play them all through.

Some I can think of before writing down a list:
1024
AV
HR
MM
Requiem
Speed of Doom
Unholy Realms
Hellbound
Hellgrounds
Valiant
Slaughterfest
Zdoom map project
Doomworld map project
Community Chest
TVR!
zones of fear
plutonia revisited community project
corfatias community project
plutonia 2
whispers of satan
TeamTNT projects
Epic
Slayer
Herian
SlaughterFest
resurge
ruinbros
njdoom
jenesis
going down
deus vult
dtwid
darkening
return to saturn x
demonfear
scythe
biowar
d2 reloaded
doom core
fragport
geurello
realm of chaos
core


Fuck man if anyone wants to add anything, I haven't even played all of these but I feel like I am missing out and I am having autism in keeping track of all of this. I don't know how to pick my next WAD to play

>>2259440
I can kind of see this tearing apart wide monsters.

But this needs some DAMAGE on the BOOM
I like this way way waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than the big rippy ball that didn't hurt nobody.

But it looks like it just needs a bit more oomph.

>>2259436
This looks pretty.

>>2259436

Fucking hell that's gorgeous.
What are those banners?

>>2259448
Just some cool hologram stuff!

>>2259446

I like this more too anon. If it was you who gave me the idea of going up and then down, thank you.

>Playing Demonsteele after GMOTA
>Wish I could do a punch combo into uppercut with the special button instead of running around using only the (Always satisfying) heavy as fuck punches.
GMOTA's punch mode spoiled me.

Just a plain old uppercut feels kind of eh even if the monster gets launched and explodes.

Because I don't see too much of a reason to use the uppercut except for making it rain.
I do like it though

>>2259452
Yeah that was me.
I am glad my random suggestions helped in some way.

>>2259454

Anon it's like I said before: you guys are the biggest help I could fuckin get for GMOTA, I may argue with you guys over stupid shit and I wind up agitating the ever loving hell out of you all with my dumb questions and indecisiveness.

But I'd pretty fucked if I only had the ZDoom forum's feedback to go off of.

>>2259459
You've never agitated me once with your attitude.
You're always been pretty nice about it and you haven't thrown any fits that I'm aware of.

You're good people.

>>2259451
I've never played Push.

Is it popular on multiplayer servers?

>>2259445
Sunder
Newgothic

>>2259462
It gets pupulated on its times. Average matches would be with more than 8 users, i think 2 days ago, Push server had like almost 20 players

>>2259440
Might as well call the next version "By Popular Demands Edition"
Also too much spikes IMO. Make it a middleground between first wid and this, then also lower their arch so it could be more useable in confined space.

Also you should test how it would behave in low-ceiling areas.

>>2259451
will there be randomized banners, like in essel's map?

>>2259462
it's no complex dumb or aow2, but there's people on the server almost every day.
jump in the server and hang for a little bit, you'll almost always draw a crowd.

>>2259451
>>2259436
How do you make the "holograms"?

Unloved did this with a fading door.

Isn't it something like
>lots of lines
>same texture on all
>some fading option
>??????
>profit

>>2259470

They bounce off ceilings, but I'll lower the count a little, and yeah it pretty much IS by popular demand.

In fairness these things I've been revamping sucked ass previously

>>2259472
It's actually three semi-transparent linedefs with midtextures. Nothing too fancy!

>>2259471
Nope, just the four for right now!

>>2259436
>>2259451
it might look pretty but does it play well? that's more important than fancy visuals.

>>2259473
>In fairness these things I've been revamping sucked ass previously

A lot of stuff really really needed to be addressed.

I still can't believe so many people didn't even try to use the cannon since it's problems were pretty blatant.
Same for the Power sword slashes.

>>2259475
I see, easier than I thought.

Though I'd probably hold off on using it myself, it's cool looking but niche.

Be silly just having it all around in levels like "Holograms bitch, checkit"

>>2259480

Hence why I've been so hellbent on fixing this, I guarantee hardly anyone even USED the power cannon because of subshots, and no one used powered sword attacks because it cut into item crash juice and they were shitty

>>2259453

I can do that, sure.
I'm pretty sure people will then point out afterwards you can't do the same with swording, though.

I will put all the blame on YOU, anon.

>>2259491
>I'm pretty sure people will then point out afterwards you can't do the same with swording, though.
Be all like "Iron Maiden's fists gets a special combo because it costs meter to even turn the damn thing on"

>I will put all the blame on YOU, anon.
I will take this burden happily if it means you can keep making your really fun mod in peace.

>>2259491
>I'm pretty sure people will then point out afterwards you can't do the same with swording, though.


>Pull out Kharon + Scabbard
>Slash > Scabbard hit > Launcher > Double jump > Spinslash
COMBO PLATTER

>>2259491
fuck 'em
or do what >>2259492 says and explain it's because of the slow attacks + combo meter

>>2259493
i've been finding the acacia really great for the combo linking, with how fast it is but more damage
i mostly have been doing the same as you, but with
slash > pistol > launch > pistol > doublejump > spinslash

imo moving the launch to its own button has seriously boosted the effectiveness of the pistol/scabbard

If anyone has any interesting ideas for a visual/traveling effect for the primary fire, I'm listening, because this could be a real problem

>>2259497
Have it spawn a little bit in front of the player instead of on the player?

>>2259502

It'll still get eaten due to the weave effect

>>2259503
Have it start off as one then let it split into two.

>>2259495
>>2259493
>>2259492

Well, shit, first few minutes of testing has shown this to be fun as hell.
It's in. Enjoy, bros, and thanks.

>>2259507
Noice.
How does it work?

>>2259504

Just spent the last 20 minutes trying that.

Nope. Not happening, can't figure it out, I can't into math at fucking all. Let's try for something that won't make me want to an hero.

>>2259523

I just pushed it to the git, but the technical of the matter is after you fire, you go to a Fired2 state which is just a blank frame resting for a tic. During this time, hitting the Uppercut button will take you to the PrepareToHold state, which removes all of the dummy items taken in firing (which fist comes out, if you're holding down fire, etc), before slinging up the fist in an uppercut.
If you hit someone, the avenue for doing an uppercut is even shorter, which means you can slug someone into the face and then (almost) instantly go into an uppercut.

In short, swing fist, hit dude, uppercut 'em, don shades and flex while they flail helplessly in mid-air.

>>2259529
How about two shots that start off going straight before twirling?

>>2259534

I tried that too, fuck it, I'm going the lazy route:

Reduce the height and radius of the spinning bola projectiles, it's a little more manageable now.

Now the real question is: what the fuck should these spinning projectiles do when they hit walls?

>>2259507
i am stupid, i can't work out if this post is talking about gmota or demonsteele

>>2259436
Please tell me this is going to have cool 80's cyberpunk music

>>2259546

Demonsteele.

>>2259546

Demota.

>>2259546
gmosteel

>>2259546
swan fox

>>2259546

Dakka

>>2259546
steelpirate

>>2259546

Project TMXOA-steele

>>2259546

Demon May Crye.

>>2259546
Heresy Iron

Why do I like the Duke explosions so much more than Doom's?

>>2259561
They're brighter, more fluidly animated, and the mushroom cloud implies a more powerful detonation?

>>2259561
The sound is much more satisfying and they have more of an impact

Doom's own are like a wet fart by comparison and feel underwhelming

>>2259561

https://archive.moe/vr/thread/1999264/#2000304

back to try to shit-stir again?

>>2259539
a)Stick, damaging stuff that walks in between
b)Bounce off as 2 separate projectiles.

>>2259549

I'm going with a tracker version of this song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqMHLB6Ofs8

>>2259564
>>2259567
What about Quake 3's compared to Dukes?

For reference, the explosions used in Brutal Doom are taken from Quake 3.

Agreed on the sound too, sounds more destructive. Duke's sounds are odd like that as many others sound terrible but the explosions came in nicely.

>>2259568
I don't see what is shitstirring about having a discussion of the games aesthetics.

>>2259569

Bouncing might be cool

Without a doubt Risen3D is the best Model pack for DOOM.

>>2259576
No.

>>2259578
>No.
Oh, In that case. Show me a better model pack if you can..

>>2259579
There is no best modelpack for Doom, because there is no not even good, but even decent modelpack for doom.

best shit among shit is an arguable title, especially to someone who does not care about discerning between different kinds of shit.

>>2259579
>implying model packs can be good.

>>2259530
>In short, swing fist, hit dude, uppercut 'em, don shades and flex while they flail helplessly in mid-air.
I kind of see a problem with this.

And that's how I kind of one shot everything in Iron Maiden mode except for Cyberdemons/Masterminds.

>>2259571
eggscellent

Okay boys.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/nv89chh7ecfge3o/GMOTA_V0.9.8%20%28WIP%202-27-2015%29.pk3?dl=0

here's another WIP, the biggest changes I can name off the top of my head are the power cannon alterations and the improved dart mode

http://pastebin.com/iTQLEJeV

>>2259572
Quake 2's bodies gibbing into meatballs was pretty funky.

Well, managed to get through the Whispering Winds, so I probably should be able to get through fucking Afterlife II.
Trailblazer is such a fun mod.

>>2259691
Chest/cubes are breaking teleports again dude.
Are the darts even buffed? Charged shot is awesome, but the burst is horrible.
What was the point of making it innacurate and reducing the mana gain if its still weaker than red shot spam?

>>2259727

Each dart does 20 damage, and each uncharged buster pellet does 20.

Maybe I should ramp it up to 30 per dart? I'll also raise up the mana gain a little more again. Also the chests are breaking teleports again? Damn it, how the fuck did I fix that before... Ooh boy

>>2259709
What theme is that map? Hell/medieval?

I've never liked it.

>>2259732
Also this happens if you shoot the pow cluster in water, some balls keep bouncing FOREVER.
You only increased the mana usage btw, if you have 20~29 mana the icon wont be greyed out but you cant use it.
The shield bounces off the sky too, is this intended? Its fun, but how the fug does that work?

>>2259742

Woops, I forgot to edit the fullscreen HUD's values on that, my bad. That shit can be easy to lose track of.

as for the shield bouncing off the sky, yeah that's intentional, no it doesn't make sense, but really you could also argue where the fuck Blaz is pulling all of these shields from.

>>2259749
Seriously Kegan what did you do to these poor balls?
3 of them are travelling glued to the ceiling, some are stuck inside the plataform, the rest are bound to bounce for all eternity.
Is this some zdoombuild problem? Its one month old at worst and this only happens when they bounce in water.

>>2259754

What the fuck. Okay uh, I'll try to look into that.

So...
The charged dart can one shot masterminds...
I know you've been saying for longer than I can remember that bosses would get ripper immunity, but that is coming in the official v.0.9.8 release, right?

>>2259773

I don't really fuck with monster settings until I replace them.

Though I suppose I could just do

mastermindreplacer : actor replaces spidermastermind
{
+DONTRIP
}

and that should in theory just make the mastermind immune to ripper shots.

>>2259778

Nope that didn't work, but a bit of lazy copypasting yielded better results, masterminds are now immune to rip.

may as well do it for the cyberdemons, fatsos, and lost souls too.

>>2259773
>>2259778
>>2259791
http://zdoom.org/wiki/Actor_flags#NOBOSSRIP

>>2259796

... Huh. Well then, that's also an option. I'll just use this instead

>>2259732
Not sure if it needs a 50% damage boost, but it needs something.
The charged dart before it spreads is really bad compared to the buster, angry martians and lower die in the same number of direct shots, but no AoE. Its really good for densely packed big monsters after a set distance, but the buster is already almost as good and so are all the cannon subweapons.
Primary has almost negligible dps over the buster at very short range, is worse at medium and generates less mana. Add the fact that the charged shot is less versatile and the only thing keeping you from using the buster 99% of the time is that darts look cool as hell.
Imo it should either :
- be better overall, but no mana
- way less damage but normal darts can rip
- something to distinguish the darts from buster uncharged shots, maybe 2x delay but fires 6 darts at the same time with huge orizontal spread/knockback
- make it so you can trigger the charged dart to open it by pressing fire again instead of being fixed into a distance
- turn the charged dart into a subweapon and do something single target oriented to replace it
Any 1 of these would be great.

>>2258396
>Wanted to use Selfies with vacation doom.
>Vacation Doom has decorate weapons and you cannot get the screenshot to work properly.

Pics of doomguy at a water resort would have been hilarious.

What the hell is this?

>>2259897
looks like a bento

>>2259895

>>2259903

More rookie questions from the Zandronum server running newb, any help is appreciated...

Question one:
Can I somehow disable/hide these elements (pic related) from the HUD? They weren't there until I introduced some other wads, it's only a minor annoyance but it'd still be nice to be rid of it.

Question two:
Under Deathmatch flags I've checked: Don't spawn health, don't spawn armor and don't spawn runes. But there still seems to be items spawned all over the map just like normal. Is there something I've missed to keep items off the map?

>>2259917
>Question 1
I don't know. Maybe you could reduce your screen size if you really don't want them in the HUD.
>Question 2
I don't know, and it's likely that you'll just have to look through the deathmatch flags some more.

>>2259904
WOOT.
TSP-special maps when?

>>2259917
1. you can try resizing the hud ('-' or '=' by default). There might be a flag in the hud options to use a different UI. Only two things you can do really because those hud elements are there because of the weapons mod you got.

2. It might be possible that those flags don't work due to the weapons mod you got. You should try testing this by removing all your mods and rehost the server. If the health and armor don't spawn, then that means the mod is causing the issue.

>>2259904
I was going to ask why the banner says "detective" in Japanese but after Google Translate check I found out that the exact same characters also mean "criminal" in Chinese

How did that happen

>>2259895
you could always just extract the graphics from instadoom and compose them onto things yourself. i suppose that's cheating, though.

>>2259939
>>2259932
Thanks, always appreciate the guidance in these threads.

I'll keep poking around and see what I can come up with. Starting to wonder if I shouldn't just learn how to edit wads myself so I can really sink my teeth into this.

Are there any wads that focus on story telling?
Like a sort of Half Life style of story telling.

I want to make something with Doom Engine, but I have a few questions before I start my work.
>can I rotate the camera? not left or right or up and down, but like, in degrees - clockwise or counter clockwise
>can I make the view fade to black after a certain action?

Just finished Doom 2 in Project MSX.

I like the idea of Project MSX but I'd prefer playing maps designed for the mod instead of maps made for vanilla Doom.

>>2260108
you mean this kind of rotation? it might be possible in OpenGL (GZDoom) but in a software mode engine you can forget about it

>>2260108
you mean this kind of rotation? it might be possible in OpenGL (GZDoom) but in a software mode engine you can forget about it

>>2260130
Yes.
Is software mode popular? Seems like every PC would be able to handle OpenGL.
What about fading?

>>2260134
oh_boy_here_we_go.jpg

>>2260134
>Seems like every PC would be able to handle OpenGL.

GZDoom's implementation of OpenGL is hacky and slapshod at best.
No, not everyone can run it.

Here we go again.

>>2260108
>>2260134
>can I make the view fade to black after a certain action?

With either ACS (FadeRange) or liberal applications of A_SetBlend increasing in intensity, yes, you can fade to black.

>>2260138
>>2260147
Did I trigger something?
I only played Doom (2) in 2002 when I was a little boi, don't know shit.

>>2260153
here's the tl;dr of the matter
https://archive.moe/vr/thread/2192268/#2194127
suffice to say, gzdoom 2.1+'s shoddy opengl implementation has caused issues with people, and people love to fight

>>2260134
a sizeable fraction of doomers will use software mode out of choice. however if you are making something entirely "un-doom-like" (and it seems like you are), you will have an audience and they will all use gzdoom. (unless they can't because of hardware issues)

>>2260163
>>2260168
Damn, what should I use then for max compatibility?

>>2260163
as with all volunteer software projects you are most likely to have the best experience with hardware/software that most closely matches that of the developer, which in this case i believe is windows/intel/nvidia.

>>2260170
hard to say. perhaps an engine not based on doom at all. depends what you want to do.

>>2260175
To put it roughly, it's gonna be Hotline Miami in First Person, but that's just to give you a rough idea what it is gonna be about.
I would like to use Doom because it seems perfect for this idea: 3D maps and 2D sprite enemies.

>>2260182
Sounds easy peasy, use Zandronum. Especially if you want to play online with your mod.

>>2260189
Isn't Zandronum just built on top of GZDoom or I am getting the wrong idea of "has most features of GZDoom"?

>>2260192
Also, can I make map figures move? The doors can move in the game, can I make a pyramid from 4 triangles and have it move in any direction after something triggers it?

>>2260192
>ZDoom/GZDoom
>horrible multiplayer
>more advanced engine (code-wise)

>Zandronum
>good multiplayer
>still uses 10+ year old ZDoom engine

>>2260170
>>2260182
>>2260192

That's a difficult question.
If you're looking for "maximum compatibility" then you're not gonna be able to use a lot of more advanced Doom modding features--PRBoom+ is probably maximum compatible but that's designed primarily for mapping, and doesn't support a lot of features beyond mapping. There's DEHACKED, but that's oooooold and archaic and horrible to work with.

If you want to stick with the Z-derivative of engines, there's Zandronum--it has the most active multiplayer out of all the Z engines, but it's so far behind the codebase it's not even funny. About one or two years ago (!), there was an announcement of 2.0 coming about, which got everyone excited and happy, but then...uh...it hasn't been released. The big advantage of 2.0, catching up with the engine, is kind of moot at this point. Still, projects designed for Zandronum tend to work in ZDoom and GZDoom, so that's a huge amount of compatibility.

If you want the most cutting-edge bleeding features (such as the aforementioned camera fuckery), then you want GZDoom. But at that point, maximum compatibility goes completely out the window. You'll be using advanced features AND an advanced renderer--while you'll still have an audience, it won't be as big of an audience.

Basically, you can't have both maximum compatibility and the most features. You'll have to pick between one or the other down the line.

I mod for Zandronum and I do fine, but then again all my projects are kind of maximum hax soooo

whats the best way to play quack 2!!!!

>>2260220
Terminus pls.
He should stick to Zandronum and help us find bugs in the 2.0 builds, so we can release it asap.

>>2260235
pantsless

>>2259571
cool track

>>2260235

Shirtless

>>2260235
brainless, its kinda boring and dull
I prefer the original quack

>>2259935
I hope pretty damn soon! I'm working on something right now like that right now, actually.

>>2259945
That's weird, I tried to do some research on the translated words before I made the graphics for them just to be sure I didn't put some nonsense in there.

>>2260194
Might be doable with 3d objects, but those only appear correctly in OpenGL. If people play your mod in software it will either be invisible or look weird.

Is HACX 2.0 still in development?

>>2260353
I guess?

>>2260235
my vote goes for playing as a sexy vampire goddess. I didn't play too many gameplay Q2 mods. The old janky grappling hook was pretty fun to fly around with in CTF though.

>>2260252
Zandro 2.0 is nice, but when are they gonna implement that user account system for people who are caught in a range ban? Given zandro probably hasn't evolved beyond AOW2, GvH, and that zombie mod, but I still want to see the interesting mods that I have missed out over the years.

http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1347060

>>2260358

It's already implemented.
Just not a lot of servers or mods are using it.

If you're caught in a range ban, talk to the admins about it.

http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1347340

http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1347909

>>2260363
>It's already implemented.
Really? Does this mean people like me who have IP addresses that reset on a daily basis (sometimes more) can just use a login system to play now?

http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1348090

>Build a vast twisted hellish church map.
>The player has to kill some Spidermasterminds which guard a demon gateway and
>find some skull key

>>2260371

Nope.
From what I gather, the account system isn't for server privileges, it's for mods to keep track of individual users and their accomplishments/statistics.
Like CTF matches can keep track of frags/captures/defenses, or theoretically you could have a persistent inventory system that keeps your equipment when you hop off/hop back in.

For the sake of bans, it's entirely irrelevant.

>>2260359
This looks really neat.

>>2260381
I find it weird that the Zandro team would opt for a manual system dealing with whitelisting.

You think they would have built something semi-auto where a person asks for a whitelisting and they are given an account that can temporarily whitelist their current IP. Then just track people who use the account/IP and check if there is any problem who uses it. Of course you would also add certain restrictions to ensure the account isn't distributed/abused. If a person on that account ever violates some rules they can just revoke that account.

Is the team really paranoid that a single person within their large range bans is constantly trying to bypass the ban everyday? I am willing to bet over half those banned people would not even bother to come back if the bans were suddenly lifted.

I mean, Zdaemon is known for banning entire countries because of one guy. I would have thought Zandro would be above that.

>>2260402
>Is the team really paranoid that a single person within their large range bans is constantly trying to bypass the ban everyday?
i'm not the team, but the existence of one or several people doing what you describe wouldn't surprise me at all

>>2260318
It might come across as strange for the japanese players (all 3 of them) since the meaning is completely different there but at least it's not Shadow Warrior level gibberish

>>2260416
There was that one guy, Mr.Cheater was it? He thought he was le ebin ruseman, but usually got banned rather quickly.

Isn't he banned from nearly every multilplayer doom port?

>>2260402
>Is the team really paranoid that a single person within their large range bans is constantly trying to bypass the ban everyday?

This has actually happened.
Several times.
PsiPaula, Mr. Cheater, ShadowFox...

>>2260402
this: >>2260416 >>2260423 >>2260437
when they can't get around the zand bans they spam #zandronum with bots like they did today
(pic related)

>>2260437
I wish Zandro would use something akin to what Steam does. I mean, how many multiplayer games today even need to use range bans?

It just seems these people cause far more damage by denying other people to play (probably one reason they are doing this).

I wish I had the means of making my own Zandro masterlist. Then just have it up to the servers themselves to enforce bans.

>>2260454
All it takes is one autist to ruin it for everyone.

>>2260454
Are IRC bans separate from Masterlist bans? Is this all it would take to create new range bans?

>>2260493
They are.

>>2260465
>Then just have it up to the servers themselves to enforce bans.

but this is already possible?
sv_enforcemasterbanlist and sv_enforcebans can be opted out of on a server.

>>2260510
Then your server will be hidden on the master list.

That and how will people who are already banned from the masterlist supposed to see it?

>>2260515
uh
no it won't
and even if it was, you can just directly connect to the ip

>>2259870

Giving the big bolt ripper properties might work. Or some kinda effect on hit.

I could probably double the amount of bolts per burst and increase the spread too. Also tonight I start working on new item crashes. Got my work cut out for me there

>>2260516
>no it won't
You are probably right. I just remember some time ago people could opt out, but you might end up being hidden or some shit. I guess they changed that since then.

As for the IP, where would one get those? Being banned from the masterlist does not give you what servers are being hosted. So I assume I would either have to get it from the forums, reddit, or here.

>>2260130
Of course you can do that in software.

https://twitter.com/NightDiveStudio/status/571429637605031938

Unfortunately, Night Dive Studios has failed in their bid for NOLF.

>"We had managed to get a hold of the source code for the first game and the second game. We had already created a laundry list of updates and enhancements and bug-fixes that we wanted to do to the original titles," he said. "So, essentially what we would've ended up with was a definitive version of both of those games. We were about to commit a large chunk of development time in making sure that No One Lives Forever 1 & 2 were 100% compatible with Windows 8 64, Linux, OSX, had a full complement of Steam features, achievements, working multiplayer, dedicated servers… this is our baby, and we really wanted to give it every chance that we could, to make sure that people would play it again, and enjoy it to its fullest extent."

Kick told me that they'd "probably gotten overzealous" and had even created marketing materials for their re-release.

>>2260558
glass atari

>>2260558
I hope the source code gets leaked and fucks atari over.

>>2260558

Atari is unbelievable.

>>2260558
Oh.

Atari needs to go bankrupt and die again.

>>2260558
Has Atari done ANYTHING GOOD ever?

And don't give me that 2600 shit, that was different people entirely even though they had the same company name.

>>2259709
get ready for the best dancing mad midi ever

>>2260614
I honestly think Atari is worse than Ubisoft or EA now. At least they make games.

>HDoom is the only decent porn mod

>it will never be finished

>every demon girl has the same face/hair combo

Anyway, does anybody know how to replace the sound for finding a secret in GZDoom, WITHOUT making it so that the new sound overrides wad specific ones?

In other words, just change the vanilla secret noise, not the custom secret noises certain wads use.

>>2260748
Look up SNDINFO I guess is what you want.

>>2260748
Apparently it's supposed to be moddable so that you can change things up.
Anyways there are a few other ideas for monster qts out there, you could probably whip some up if you wished.
A cool idea, though, might be to add a system for adding in alternate sprites so that they appear at the same time at once with default sprites so that you have a variety of different ladies for a single type of demon.

>>2260235
With a patch or fix for the music. Or with the CD in so it can be read.

>>2260780
Aren't all doom mods moddable? Hell .pk3 is just a renamed zip.

Only DRM I have seen people make with wads is some sort of image obfuscation thing where images are messed up upon extraction.

Any news from that guy who was sorta finising Samsara (or adding stuff, i dont remember exactly).
Those threads changes faster than i can follow,

>>2260815
If a mod doesn't include its ACS source, you can't really change anything there or even see how it works. It's also considered highly disrespectful to directly edit someone's work, as opposed to making a separate addon that is loaded alongside the original, untouched mod.

>>2259691
Okay after testing it a bit I think you should make Boomerang sword cost more to "reload" to match it's newfound effectiveness.

It's quite a potent weapon now that it doesn't satellite around enemies.
I would also maybe argue for it to disappear a little sooner too.

The new darts are nice but I wouldn't mind seeing it get a slight buff.
The big shard is also quite swell.

>>2260816

A lot of people are working on a lot of Samsara add-ons. Nobody is "finishing" Samsara.

The four most notable projects at the moment are A: Jesh's/Cyantusk's terrible, terrible add-ons which are extremely slowly becoming somewhat vaguely within the realm of sort of tolerable after a whole two fucking years
B: Donald's "change every character to satisfy my personal grievances" project that originally started as an Expander replacement for the Freezethrower
C: The Zandronum Monster Randomizer, which is a generic realm667 mash-up randomizer monster mod (?) that requires the add-ons to function (?!?!)
and D: the Samsara Monster Mixer, which takes the games the Samsara heroes are from and brings in their monsters to replace the Doom bestiary. Actually kind of decent, though it suffers from the typical "what monster do I cram X into"?

>>2260235
Just the multiplayer.

>>2260828
Also I have to say the new Axes feel pretty alright. The faster air speed helps it keep up.

I'm really digging POW Axes in particular. Those are powerhouses.

>>2260832
Yeah, its probably A or B. I was talking about the ones who had Jaguar sprites for the Wolf weapons.
Gonna keep visiting there ocasionally to see if there's still light to those addons.

>>2260832

>Samsara Monster Mixer
>though it suffers from the typical "what monster do I cram X into"?

This is true, especially for the games that had less monsters than Doom 2.
I didn't have fun filling out the roster for the Chex Quest, Hexen, and Heretic sets because of that.

>>2260590
>>2260582
>>2260563
>>2260614
>>2260734
So what does Atari actually do these days? Hog onto the rights of games and never let them get used?

>>2260853
They do this and publish casino games and other useless shit.

>>2260845
>>2260828
Also one more thing, you might want to give the boomerang sword a cost to throw it too.

It's really powerful right now.
I really like it a lot but it needs a bit of tweaking considering it's effectiveness.

>>2260853
From the wiki page
>On June 22, 2014, Atari announced a new corporate strategy that would include a focus on "new audiences," specifically "LGBT, social casinos, real-money gambling, and YouTube."

So not a whole lot.

Can anyone share the Stronghold editing guide please? Trying to make a nice skybox and acs.

>>2260863

I'll lower the lifespan and raise the cost of recalling the sword. I want throwing the sword to be free so players can discard the sword whenever they please

>>2261009
That is fine then.

I was just thinking that it's really really powerful right now.

Also I love the axes now.

>>2261014

I'm glad to hear that. I made them travel faster and hit harder, but of course they bounce less and the fire rate is slower to compensate. I feel pretty content about the subweapons now. They feel all relevant and fun

>>2261017
Is POW Axes bouncing off enemies when hit directly with them intentional?

It still hurts and it keeps the big axe in play so sometimes you can get a double hit but I was just wondering.

>>2261017
>I feel pretty content about the subweapons now
I am assuming you scrapped the bracelet (again), but I am fairly sure you said the hammer would become a subweapon when a temporary magnet item for them was suggested.

>>2261053
I think he changed his mind on that when he wanted all the characters to have access to the Crash hammer.

>>2261056
>However, what I got planned for the crash hammer is semi spoilery, so I can't tell everything. But lemme reveal what I got planned:

>It's going to become a subweapon that every hero can access, though it'll behave differently depending who's wielding it, Blaz will swing it like a melee weapon, allow for crushing blows and some cool jump attacks, when you power your sword up, then you'll be able to throw the hammer just like you can as the sub-item. getting a POW will electrify the melee attacks

This is from january. He then repeated that it would become a sub after the shieldgate happened.

If the problem is the throw not matching the item crash resource, you can move it around and make the POW hammer function similar to hexen's hammer : it there is something in melee range, Blaz swings it normally, if there isnt, he throws the hammer. Now you only need to come up with a new item crash. I suggest a gigantic hammer that sends nearby enemies upwards.

>>2260748
>how to replace the sound for finding a secret in GZDoom

surely you can just replace the file sounds/dssecret.flac in (g)zdoom.pk3

a mod supplying its own would be loaded after zdoom.pk3 thus superseding it

>>2261121
Oh boy.

Anyone got any replacement .flac files?

>>2261129

Doesn't have to be .flac, I used a .wav file and it worked fine.

>>2261048

Yeah, POW axes bounce off enemies for extra madness.

>>2261053

What this guy >>2261058 said. Hammers are still going to become a unique subweapon in the very near future, just give me a bit. Also I might have it THROWN for a default attack and the Item crash be a unique, devastating melee attack. We'll see.

Don't remind me about shieldgate. Please.

>>2261101

>Context sensitive hammer attacks.

That is also a good idea.

>>2261164
Did you fix the Shining Knight issue on level change?

It didn't drain meter if you end a level with Shining Knight and I don't think it can be turned off either.

>>2261192

I did! You should be able to see for yourself in the latest test version, do you need a link again?

>>2261194
I got the link, thank you.

I am going to run through Hell Revealed 2 to see how it is.

>>2259592
>Risen3D is the best Model pack for DOOM.
Find a better model pack if you can, remember kids saying something is shit doesn't count as a model pack.

>>2257990
>webm
I could swear I've seen that movie before,could you tellme how is it called?

>>2258202
Could someone post them? I've been searching them for some time now without any success

>>2261217
pretty sure it's from "army of darkness", the third in the evil dead trilogy

>>2260359
That looks enchanting.
pls don't be slaughterwad

>>2261217
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_51HrX_LB0
It's a kickass adventure movie, with a comedic streak (departing greatly in tone from the darkness of the first movie).

Give it a watch, it's amazing.

What was the name of that .wad which took place in a huuuuuuuuge ass black stone walled asylum and you started locked up in a cell? I think it was wrath of something.

Also what was that other .wad in which you were in a house and at different parts the world changed into a nightmare?

I haven't played doom for so long I forgot all these.

>>2261229

They are going to do a series right ?

>>2261361
Series? In what sense?
First movie was in the 80's, horror movie.
Second movie was later, more comedic, basically a remake/retcon of the first movie (much more professionally done, but not as scary).
Third movie is a direct sequel, and isn't as much horror as it's an adventure/matinée.

They did a remake a few years ago, which actually wasn't bad, they decided that since they couldn't actually find a good replacement for the original star actor of the series even if they tried (he's rather iconic by this point), and would instead omit his character and rewrite the basic plot.

And aside from those, there's really not much else, there was a bunch of comics, which I've never read, and there were some videogames (that weren't exactly... perfect).

Oh, and some dudes did a Total Conversion for Doom way back, over a decade ago, and while it's definitively not perfect (it predates ZDoom), the level design is actually -quite- fun.

>>2261365
Evil Dead getting a TV series.

>>2261367
No clue about that dude.
There's been all kinds of rumors.

One was that the surviving girl of the remake was going to be in some sort of quasi sequel to Army Of Darkness together with Bruce Campbell, but he's getting up there in the years, he's not quite as agile, or not-fat as he used to be. Still got the looks though.

Unless there's any official news, I'd not hold out hope.

>>2261369
There's official news.

So I'm trying shooting double the amount of darts per burst, and I increased the spray a little more, up close it shreds most monsters and at longer ranges you can plink crowds to soften them up

>>2261369

Anon there's going to be a series with bruce and raimi.
http://deadline.com/2014/11/the-evil-dead-series-ash-vs-evil-dead-sam-raimi-bruce-campbell-starz-1201280595/

I got pic related from work.

Does anyone have the original, un-fucked with disk images for Doom? The first disk is wonky and I think it's corrupted or something.

>>2261389
I think I might have, pirated version.
What you need?

>>2261392
Mind uploading all of them somewhere? I was gonna re-write the disks, I'm assuming all of them are fucked
If worst comes to worst I'll just write them to blank floppies

>>2261394
I am retarded, I don't have a floppy disk reader.
s-sorry

>>2261404
wait nvm found my old PC, gonna take a while.

>>2261404
>>2261405
Thank you so, so much
I'll check back in a while, you're truly a god among men

>>2261406
Here you go, it was about time I did a backup of my floppies anyway.
Still fresh from 1999.
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/rxr9na7jnclek/Ben's_Floppy_Archive

>>2261417
My god, thank you for this

>>2261418
>implying I haven't riddled it full of viruses
;^)

What's your opinion on the Zandronum community?

>>2261461
>Valiant comes out
>author specifically states that it won't work with gameplay mods
>Zandronerds' first reaction is to make a patch so they can play it with complex doom
When we had regular servers, most of them were passworded for good reason.

>>2259917
Why you running that outdated as fuck version anyway?

>>2260523
Actually, that was zdaemon, and it was more along the lines of "enforce our bans or GET THE FUCK OUT"

zandro servers that don't enforce just get a "warning, this server doesn't enforce, trolls may roam" note.

>>2260832
haha, I just shat out a 10 minute fix couple days ago to fix some of the more egregious shit about that Eleena character, as well as a bunch of quality-of-life stuff.

It's polishing a turd (like I do with rga2ref erry day), but at least it's something.

>>2261471
How the fuck is that a bad thing?

>>2261471
So ture.

>>2261478
Because most people were like
>If it ain't workin with Complex Doom / Brutal Doom, it belongs in the trash.

>>2261478
For almost any other mapset, it wouldn't be. Most of them don't change monsters in any significant way, if at all. Valiant, however, makes pretty major changes to several enemies and is very carefully balanced around those enemies. I don't even want to think about what happens in maps that make use of the detached floating arachnotrons when you use a gameplay mod, and then there's also the problem of the Valiant chaingunners actually being nazis. It's disrespectful to the author at best and completely ruins the maps at worst.

>>2261353
1) It might be Asylum of the Wretched.
2) Dunno, Unloved maybe.

>>2261506
Yep, those were the ones I was thinking about. I found them sometime ago with random searches but thank you very much for the help.

>>2261373
>>2261371
Well fuck me, now I'm excited!

>>2261498
>It's disrespectful to the author at best and completely ruins the maps at worst.
it could be argued likewise for any carefully balanced mapset run with any balance-changing gameplay mod (which is almost all of them).

In other words, who here is up for some samsara co-op?
server name is: just samsara co-op

>>2261512
It would be more akin to playing Chex Quest or Hacx and making a patch so you can load your replacement mod that was designed for Doom. It won't just be unbalanced, that's a given when playing with gameplay mods. It'll be flat-out broken. You'd be able to completely ignore the boss at the end of Chex E1M5 and just run past it to the exit, or you'd get Cacodemons instead of windows in Hacx.

>>2261512
>it could be argued likewise

That's not how logic works.

What are the scariest/moodiest doom wads that aren't littered with jump scares?

>>2261526
Oniria is pretty good.

>>2261489
I dont doubt for a second that 90% thinks exactly like this, but even on /vr/ we have people getting butthurt when they try to combine BD with donut steele.
One retard making a compatability patch shouldnt be an example of why the entire community must be blocked away.

>Newgothic
>Satanic Redux

>>2261579
>clearing a newgothic map and walking around the map admiring your bloody handiwork

"It would be cool if the coloured enemies also had coloured gibs"

This idea was so silly I'm totally gonna try expand this further sometime with some additional gore things just to see if I can make a very colourful paint factory with slaughter maps.

I'm planning on making a map pack, got a couple more or less done and want critique. https://www.mediafire.com/?fw52cvkl9mz1n57

>>2258202
They are okay. First two books are pretty interesting takes on the first 2 doom games. Things start getting weird in book 3 and by book 4 you wonder what the hell is going on.

Book 4 a FAR cry from how the first two books played out, not necessarily in a bad way. Things just start getting... weird...

Let me pose this situation to you as an example;
Assume you were traveling in a space ship to an alien planet to kill some aliens and when you got there you found out the planet was abandoned. When you travel to another known alien planet you find it abandoned as well. It turns out your spaceship is borked and time passes hundreds of times faster OUTSIDE your spaceship while traveling above the speed of light. Basically a 1 year journey inside the ship is 100+ years outside the ship. What do?

>>2261637
Travel back home, hope that Humanity has developed a way of staying alive long enough to see me come back. If not, wonder if I can clone someone female and repopulate Earth.

can we all agree that iddqd mod is shit?

Can anyone recommend any wads like Scythe and Scythe 2?

Basically megawads which have multiple "episodes" within which get progressively harder with entirely different themes?

>>2261365
AOD-DOOM actually came out almost 2 decades ago at this point.

>>2261685
Speed of Doom has three "episodes", but they're not vastly different from one another.

>>2261653
I never understood why people loved god-mode so much.

Is it possible do make a duke-like portal transgression in GZDoom? What I mean is not silent-teleport, but link together two portions of the map seamlessly, like making that 720-circle in Duke3D's Lunatic Fringe level.

Any gameplay mod that goes well with Unloved, or should I just play vanilla?

>>2261721
GMOTA goes really well with it. I felt like I was playing a first person Castlevania

>>2261705
Look up stacked sectors on Zdoom wiki.

>>2261627

Strange music choices and a few strange texture selections, but they're not...bad, really.
Sudden texture ending here really triggered my autism, though.

>>2261627
map01:

this is a basic but nice tech style map. it has some things i'm very fond of; you get a glimpse of the red key through a window, find the blue key next to the exit, track back for the blue door, then finally return with the key to a repopulated level. so full marks for level progression.

it is mostly vanilla in appearance, using stock textures and a detail level of a competent 1995 map. however, it uses slopes, and mixed flats and textures. i noticed some missing textures on the sides of the slope up to the red key (where the baron of hell is encountered).

undeterred i attempted to record a first attempt demo. since i had to record this in zdoom, it will probably not play back in sync for anyone else, but it can't be helped.

http://temp-host.com/download.php?file=sr38dl

>>2261621
For some reason that reminds me of the virus enemies from Dr. Mario.

>>2261621
Do you use translation or do you recolor every sprite manually?
Dont want to download 50+ mb for this.

>>2261792
Is it possible to use same effect Horizontally? What I want - 720rad circle like in Duke3D's E2L11 without obvious teleportation (e.g. so persistend decals, items and enemies that follow player would not disappear when player crosses the line)

>>2261940
>>2261792
Also how well does ZDoom handle multiple room-over room situations? I want to make a pretty big level, and it has to have 3-4 room-over rooms directly above/below each other, so they appear as being in the same spot on the minimap, but in fact those are separate rooms with no connection to each other.

>>2261945
Pretty easy to do once you get a hang of 3D Floors and/or stacked sectors, as I've said look it up on ZDoom wiki.

>>2261850
Cheers bro. Dunno how I missed that texture void.

Does Eternity Engine support custom m_skull and status bar graphics? Hr2 doesn't show them.

>>2261912

Mostly trasnslation
I only manual recolour the most difficult ones.

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