/vr/ - Retro Games

>>2260513
I completed this for first time before christmas. Loved it, worthy of the praise it's so constantly smothered with. Played very few proper rpgs though. Think I got to try out Legend of Dragoon sometime soon, ff isnt my cup of tea.

Oh yeh and theme music to ct is god tier!

Chrono Trigger to this day is my favorite game of all time.
I wished 65,000,000 BC was more developed though. The whole subplot feels rushed, got awkwardly shoved into the middle of the Middle Ages quest and Ayla is the only party member that doesn't get a sidequest to give closure to her character arc. It feels a lot like filler to pad out the time between Magus' defeat and entering Zeal.

Johnny and Tata should have been optional party members.

>>2260513
I didn't like it

The only jRPGs I've found that I like is the Shin Megami Tensei series

I'm playing 3 of them at the same time right now

>>2260535
Tata was a pretty boring character and I'm content with how he was handled in the actual game.
Johnny would have been rad though since he's the only good thing about 2300 AD.

>tfw I'm going to beat this game 11 more times to max out their stats

Isn't that bad I guess. 90 hours about. I once had a save in pokemon that was over 400 hours.

>>2260535
There are fun characters from every era that could have been interesting as actual party members.

-Kino could have been a thief-type party member, with stuff that goes beyond Charm like Mug and Mass-Steal and steal life/mp and all that.
-Toma could've been anything in a fight, but as a roudy adventurous drunk guy he could have had fun party interactions.
-Cyrus's Ghost could have had ghost powers (or even unique defensive properties) and sword moves and all that. What, there are plenty of ghosts wandering around in this game! Why NOT him?
-Gato is rad as hell and could have used more attention from Lucca. Would've been fun to see him being worked on from what they learned from Robo.
-Johnny is the easy answer from the future. Speed man with speedy attacks.
-Spekkio could have been a MIME party member!

>>2260513
I played chrono trigger when it was remade on the ds and I have to say its one of my favorite games like its so amazing all around I honestly think its the best thing square has made a probably will ever make

>>2260568
You forgot Scala too, although her disappearance is crucial to Chrono Cross' storyline.
Gaspar could have been a fun sage character too.

I finally did it. I found Mobius from Crimsom Echoes.

>played once
>didn't see what the big fuss was
>started NG+
>quit somewhere before the naga church
>downloaded the rest of the endings from zophar
>couldn't even bother watching all of them

The only RPG that bored me this much was beyond the beyond.

>CHRONO TRIGGER IS THE BEST RPG EVAR!
>but it's also the only RPG I ever played

I will never get tired of these games. Playing through Gold as we speak.

>>2262894
>playing the shitty incomplete version
I'm surprised there's people who know this exists, but at the same time don't know that it's Flames of Eternity.

>>2263851
Chrono Trigger is good because its short and sweet, its always got you going to your next goal and doesn't have hours and hours of exposition.

People have criticized it for being simple. I would much rather have a simple plot, with great pacing then have something like Xenogears, or Breath of Fire 3.

Xenogears has hours, upon hours of exposition. Do your 30 minute or so task? Prepare for 2 hours of dialogue. Its not fun. Its not engaging. Its a lot of people sitting around and talking. With the occasional cutscene, or moving from A to B then more dialogue.

Breath of Fire 3 has other issues, mainly the complete 180 the story takes and the whole first act being fairly irrelevant since you could just rewrite some segments and expand the second half and have a much more robust and complete story compared to 2 under developed ones that feel terrible. It also has awful minigames and is fairly grindy.

Say what you guys will. Theres a reason that the Square RPG's reign supreme. They are casual as fuck, and thats not a bad thing when it comes to RPG's sometimes. You can clear Chrono Trigger in an afternoon if you wanted. You can't say the same for Xenogears.

>>2263985
And I know Xenogears is Square as well.

But its some experimental bullshit compared to the standard ones out at the time like FF7, FF8, and hell, even FF9 which I feel is the worst. Even Chrono Cross with its convoluted plot and heavy handed exposition is a dream compared to Xenogears. Parasite Eve was also super experimental, while still being amazing.

Basically what I'm getting at, is Xenogears sucks a big limp dick.

I tried playing this game last night with a friend. It is way harder than I remember. I got to the dragon tank before I quit. I wanted to grind but there aren't so many good opportunities at this point in the game...

How come when Marle gets sucked into the rift, the pendant is left behind, but when Crono goes to follow her, he manages to keep hold of it?

>>2263985
To this day it bugs me that BoF 3 had such an intricate system of combat, but the story was all over the place. First you're having a light hearted orphan adventure, then you're having a really dark orphan adventure, then you get a time skip that revolves around gargoyle-man's crisis of faith.

Still better than 4 with it's terrible macguffin quest contrasted to the side story of the guy who looks like they wanted to make an anti-hero but instead just shit all over him during his segments.

>>2260513
>Early text-to-voice
>"Let's play some Chrono Trigger, nigger."
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj9TJ5pCB4U

>>2265825
His hands are so vehemently cum-stained it just sticks to him like glue.

It still bothers me that Marley never wore this outfit in the game.

>>2265854
Yet it doesn't bother you that neither Frog nor Crono wear those outfits?

Or that they don't fight Yakra outside, nor does Marle even particpate in that fight?

Or that Marle is using Fire magic?

>>2265870

>Yakra

Doesn't look like Yakra to me. Looks like that dude in the cave circa 1000 AD

I've just finished Suikoden recently, which I am very happy with and kind of surprised at. As much as I love RPGs, I am pretty bad at finishing games in general, and wasn't sure how far I'd be able to go though something... with "outdated design sensibilities".
But somehow, I was in the right mood and finished it in 20 hours over a couple of weeks. I think having it on my Vita helped a bit too. I liked how you would go back and talk to characters to find out where to go, and it was pretty clear from them most of the time with a bit of exploration. The characters themselves were cool. I loved story and the idea of recruiting an army to go overthrow the corrupted king. I enjoyed the combat and the various systems felt nice, like a natural evolution from the previous era of RPGs. I need to see if there is an English translation of Water Margin too.
I am really looking forward to playing 2 now, but I've decided to do Chrono Trigger first, which I put a few hours into some weeks ago and haven't gotten back to yet.
Slowly but surely I shall play every "worthwhile" video game in existence.

>>2265854
It was a concept art piece that was so good they used it for the cover. The whole thing could basically be titled "Boss fight in the snow with a team up attack".

>>2265876
Hmm, I think you're right.

My bad.

The only thing I outright dislike about Chrono Trigger is the god-awful Toriyama art. I fucking hate Toriyama.

Yay or nay?

>>2265928
Over time I have developed a distaste for his stuff, at least in Chrono Trigger, I don't think it suits it well at all. For Dragon Ball and stuff it's fine I think.

>>2265928
>>2265946
How does one even have this sort of opinion? Chrono Trigger IS Toriyama. Without him, it'd be Chrono Cross.

>>2265946
Fortunately Toriyama is barely used in the game except for the character portraits, which are fine with the exception of Magus.

I never understood why he had pointy ears, btw.

One thing that always bothered me was the translation of "mystics". They were clearly evil demons or monsters, why call them mystics? I thought it was confusing. Anyone know what the original japanese was?

Star Ocean 2 is my favorite. Love the crafting, battle system, pretty much everything about it. Heard something about a possible Vita remake but I guess that fizzled out.

>>2265959
tri-ace fizzled out :-(

>>2265964
They were a shell anyways. Guess its better to let them die.
What a shame

>>2265951
Anything in-game, including the character sprites, doesn't really look like Toriyama. It's mostly the concept character art that defines the look extradiagetically that irks me.

>>2265952
>albino piccolo with vegeta hair

>>2265975
You don't think that, or this, look like Toryiyama?

Do you just not really recognize his style or something?

>>2265982
That's some good looking stuff, most of his stuff doesn't look like that. Well, it's his "people" mostly.

>>2265928
>>2265946
>>2265952
>not liking glorious FMV sequences added in the PSX version

>>2266000
My love for FMVs is stronger than my negative feelings towards Toriyama's style.

>>2265994
That's racist.

>>2260525
>Ayla is the only party member that doesn't get a sidequest to give closure to her character arc

They had a cave that ended up removed, the Singing Mountains.

But to be honest, Ayla doesn't really have a character arc per se, beyond AYLA STRONK and AYLA LIKE KINO BEST. She gets all the closure she needs in the ending, which implied that she and Kino started fucking like bunnies.

>>2266041
I mean you have to understand that Ayla's arc closes during the main story.

Azala and the reptites die out after you kill the Black Tyranno, and Lavos falls. Thats pretty much the "end" of the main events in Pre-history. No other character arc gets fulfilled completely during the main quest, aside from Killing Lavos' which is basically Crono/Marle/Luccas story.

now im playing vagrant story on epsxe, looks cool, however some movements seem a little retarded

>>2265970
>>2265964
>>2265959
At least there's an un-dubbed version.

GOAT game, but I can't stand the voice acting. It was better in Valkyre Profile though.

>>2266709
I found it endearing. Cheesy doesn't bother me but I see how it could lol

This is less of an rpg thread as opposed to circle jerking over CT.

Anyways, I'd say either FFIX, mega man legends, or Chrono Cross.

>>2267053
Mega Man Legends isn't an RPG.
It has more in common with Zelda with some elements taken from Metroidvanias.

>>2265958
In Japanese they're Mazoku (Devil Race.)

>>2267513
JRPG's?

I'm down. FF IV, V, and VI are awesome SNES RPG's

I've never finished it, but Breath of Fire 2 is a lot of fun (it at least has that rad soundtrack).

And Super Robot Wars Lord of Elemental is an awesome SNES SRPG with branching paths, and over 100 total missions.

Secret of Mana and Secret of Evermore are great action RPG's