/vr/ - Retro Games

===NEWS===

[02-18] Just GZDoom, a GZDoom-focused community mapset: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=47895

[02-14] Instagram/#Selfie Doom: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1344760

[02-10] Another BDv20 test release: http://www.mediafire.com/download/p40aj6vklq76tt5/brutal20test-feb10-2015.zip

[02-07] Valiant, a 32-map megawad for MBF-compatible ports, by skillsaw: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1342825

[02-01] 50 monsters E1: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/71625-50-monsters-e1/

[01-30] Hocus Doom update: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18675596/Doomstuff/hocusdoom-01-24-15.pk3

[01-29] Eriance retires, releases all remaining Demon Eclipse resources: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=809621#p809621 https://www.dropbox.com/s/5cyq8ainn1knnd7/DEHEv01.rar?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/oh965ifww68270z/DEHE-RES.rar?dl=0

[01-26] You can finally upload stuff to /idgames again, seems like Ty took care of the issue.

[01-26] Devs Play feat. Romero http://www.doomworld.com/vb/doomworld-news/71519-devs-play-doom/

[01-26] Mythbusters does Doom http://www.doomworld.com/vb/doomworld-news/71568-have-you-seen-my-chainsaw/

[01-26] /newstuff Chronicles 472: http://www.doomworld.com/php/topstory.php?id=4329

[01-23] Russian Overkill v2.3 update: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=809099#p809099

[01-22] 3 heures d'agonie 3 has been launched a few days ago, no information on how many maps have been done so far. This time rules are a little more strict and a certain quality standart is required to improvave the wad's global quality.

[01-17] New Push release v0.6b. Banners for everybody. http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=47076

[01-17] Jungle Spirits, a WIP project for Plutonia by Jimmy, new levels, music, sprites and textures: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/67749-jungle-spirits-merry-christmas-beta-3-is-out-o/

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Please reply to this post with news.

Whichever anon suggested this, thanks muchly.

>>2243718
Fucking majestic.

>>2243718
i'm guessing you were waiting for new thread for maximum exposure? ;)

>>2243718
Someone's gotta make a Dark Souls mod for Doom.

DOOM SOULS

>>2243718
It would be better if they stuck.

I'm loving the level theming of Going Down.

someone post that image of the cacodemon looking at the computer, then at the reader

>>2243776
>Not having it saved

>>2243776

>>2243623
>>2243613

This area is still being worked on, but I'm making a lot of progress sweeping left to right across the room. Leading out from the temple, there are pool of hellrock with remnants of an old, ruined bridge to cross.

And two threads? C'mon guys.

Hello Doomers! I'm trying to install the Roland SC-55 Music Pack (http://sc55.duke4.net/index.php#)) on Chocolate Doom. Apparently Chocolate Doom has added support for high quality music packs in October 2014 but I don't see any clear documentation and I'm a blockhead that doesn't understand any of the github discussions. Is what I'm doing impossible on the Windows version of ChocoDoom?

>>2243421
>why, because demo compat. breaks with every version? use a stable version then. 2.7.1 is the most recent.

Its not just because it breaks with every version. Its also because you can't play demos recorded in Vanilla or Boom at all. And using a stable version isn't even advised in itself, because a lot of zdoom mods still require latest svn builds.

>prboom+ has as many complevels as zdoom does, big deal. stick to doom strict if you're that concerned.

Zdoom compatibility settings only take into account playability. PrBoom complevels are meant to be as accurate as possible to the original .exe's minus the static limits of the vanilla engine that crash the game. Its why theres three different vanilla 1.9 complevels to take into account the differences between Doom 2 1.9 .exe, Ultimate Doom 1.9 .exe, and Final Doom 1.9 .exe. A demo recorded in Vanilla 1.9, will work in PrBoom+ because of this.

>>2243805
>Zdoom compatibility settings only take into account playability

To elaborate. There aree plenty of things zdoom has that did not exist in vanilla or boom, and can't even be turned off through compatibility seettings.

Like melee hitboxes being bigger, making it easier to punch arachnotrons and mancubi, overall making tyson runs easier. And you can't "run" forward on a cagewall, making the red key speedrun trick in e4m1 impossible.

>>2243786
Use a different sky texture, even if it's just one from the iwads, it'll do miles of difference for the atmosphere of the map.

>>2243709
I want to get off Mr. Bones' Wild Ride

>>2243754

There's a splat of gore on the ceiling that sticks there, indicating impact.
Unless you mean like the lower half of their bodies sticking up there along with it? I can do that, though it'll be a little more work.

>>2243730

FUCK HE'S ON TO ME
Whenever the thread's on page 6/7 I usually wait until the new thread, but in this case I'd actually started the system last night and just finished up the polish and tweaks now.

>>2243815
That's one of the things I'm waiting to put off for last. As long as I can get the skyboxes working correctly then it's ok. Changing the music/certain textures will be at the end, but I'm not quite sure how to actually change the skybox texture to another skybox texture; just started messing around in SLADE, but once I figure it out, then I'll add a different sky texture (music is fine though).

Thanks for the tip man.

>>2243823
RSKY1
RSKY2
RSKY3

are the sky texture names IIRC.

>>2243819
>FUCK HE'S ON TO ME
haha. honestly i had my suspicions since https://archive.moe/vr/thread/2206974/#2206983 , but i wasn't sure if it was just coincidence until now. anyway, keep up the good work.

>>2243823
it's usually a case of simply replacing the SKY1 patch (or RSKY1 for Doom2 pwads). or you can change the SKY1 texture definition to refer to a different patch, this is needed if your patch is a different size to the original. unless you're doing some zdoom thing with actual skyboxes (but your screenshot looks pretty vanilla).

>>2243421
Try learning how PrBoom+ complevels and demo playback actually works before insisting everyone in the demo recording community move to zdoom inspite of its flaws regarding demos. You've only made yourself look like an asshole with this post.

>>2243805 >>2243813 >>2243841

allow me to play devil's advocate. (oh boy here we go, etc.)

i don't think the issue is so much what engine speedrunners use, but the effect it has on the wider community of doom content creators.

speedrunners (and traditionalists) are a very small part of the community. why should the majority of mappers, who aren't speedrunners, or traditionalists, bend over backwards to support them?

it would be far easier for that majority of mappers to assume "everyone uses zdoom, or a derivative of it" - thus only having to care about testing in one engine.

obviously it sucks for the speedrunners, and the traditionalists. but they are the minority. and they already make enough maps for each other.

HEEEY there's like two threads what's going on?

>>2243709
question: what popular mapsets/megawads follow the design theme of attempting to make levels feel more like real logical locations? for instance dark forces style

>>2243865
>Speedrunneres are a minority
Doomworld actually has a fair amount of demo recorders (Not just speedrunners, but FDAs aswell), a decent chunk of them in fact, are mappers. I believe the French and Russian communities have their decent share of demo recorders, too. This minority thing is exagerrated.

>Why should the majority of mappers, who aren't speedrunners, or traditionalists, bend over backwards to support them?
No one ever said every map ever made has to be compatible with vanilla or prboom+. You are literally grasping at straws here.

>>2243823
You add the sky texture into the .wad
Then you name it
RSKY1
RSKY2
RSKY3
or whatever
make sure it's in the texture lump

>>2243878
hmm? >>2235667 is past bump limit and fell to page 7. this is the usual point where a new one is made.

>>2243879
KSutra has a number of city maps. Hellcore 2.0 has a number of "realistic" maps. Planisphere 2, the New York map? Or Trinity College...

>>2243901
I'm aware of that. I was talking about >>2243676

>>2243879
Deus Vult 2 has amongst others a star port and a cathedral

>>2243879
Desert Bus

>>2243903
Oh shit! That's never happened to me before. My sincere apologies to whoever made the other thread. It wasn't there when I opened the catalog. I must have taken far too long checking I had updated my pastes correctly. I would delete this one as it's clearly the later of the two, but (a) that'd be rude to everyone who has posted in it already and (b) you can't do it anyway, they stopped it for some reason. What should we do?

>>2243916
Meh, everyone is already using this one, let the other one get autodeleted.

>>2243865
>speedrunners (and traditionalists) are a very small part of the community

Doomworld is a very small part of the community, now?

>>2243936

Everyone on Doomworld is a speedrunner, now?

>>2243939
Speedrunner wasnt the only thing he said. He said Traditionalist, aswell.

>>2243936
i estimate around half of doomworld's population are traditionalists. the number of militant ones who flatly refuse to use zdoom is likely much fewer...

compare that to the other half of doomworld plus the entirety of forums.zdoom plus the entirety of zandronum.org. (i don't know about the non-english doom sites.)

>>2243939
heh, the demos forum is under "Special Interest". makes it sound like some weird fetish. which is probably true!

Anyone wanna help out someone using Boom/prBoom?

I can't get chex quest to run it. I have the dehacked file, and I know to use the parameter -deh, but i'm not sure it's working.

Right now i'm doing it like

>-deh wads\chex.deh -iwad wads\CHEX.WAD

Everything is in my wads folder. Whenever I try to run chex quest, I get an error about iwad tag not found. Funny enough I can run Freedoom just fine.

Let me know what the issue is and how to fix it. Is it as simple as inserting a tag into the wad?

How would I run chex2.wad with this as well?

>>2243942
Oh. Well now I look stupid.
Sorry, anon.

>>2243950
I lurk Doomworld quite a lot, and two thirds of Doomworld being traditionalist would sound more believable to me. Most mapperes there generally are. Though the militant ones are indeed far fewer than that. I still wouldn't call it a very small part of the community.

Zdoom forums and Zandronum forums by default wouldnt have many traditionalists or speedrunners because they're specifically forums for zdoom based engines. They definitely take a good chunk of the overall community, though. I don't deny this.

"traditionalists". heh, if we're going with a no hurt feelings approach then fine by me.

>>2243982
I've been assuming Traditionalist and Purist don't mean the same thing.

This is how I've been seeing it in this discussion:

Traditionalist = Someone who prefers the original type of gameplay, over using gameplay mods, or playing TCs.

Purist = Refuses to use anything more advanced than Chocolate Doom.

>>2243959
What version is your prboom+, and what is the date on the .exe?

>Look at 4chan /vr/ Doom General thread for idea of the future modding community. Unlike other threads on /vr/, they almost never talk about the original game for the given thread topic, it's always GZDoom and Brutal Doom or other latest mods. And when they say "vanilla" they don't even mean doom.exe or chocolate-doom but something vague like simply anything made using Doom Builder Doom-in-Doom format, rather than meaning a specific version of Doom. There's a lot of confusion and chaos...

>But I don't really care. None of that interests me. It doesn't lead to maps I want to play. Even limit-removing stuff isn't ideal IMO, because it tends to emphasize so much useless details (or rather it doesn't force the mapper to curtail such unnecessary details).

>>2243995
it's actually Boom (that's why I said Boom/prBoom; though I have tried both) Whatever ones are obtainable from Booms web page from teamtnt (version 2.02?)

If there is a newer version of Boom, let me know.

>>2244002
>Unlike other threads on /vr/, they almost never talk about the original game for the given thread topic
That's wrong though, we often bring up the original maps and content.

>>2244005
Chex quest wont work as an iwad at all then.

>>2244002
>>2244015
What is there to talk about regarding the original maps anymore? Pretty sure over the past 21 years, people have said every single thing there is to be said about them.

>>2244021
how can this be overcome?

>>2243969
all right thanks for your answer. you're probably right i underestimated the fraction.

>>2243990
that seems a fair definition to me. i'm all for removal of map size and renderer limits so i'm definitely not a purist. but then i don't care for even the more exotic boom features, never mind the infinite extent of zdoom scripting...

>>2244002
where is this quoted from

>>2244028
Well, we do still talk about it, every once in a while some newcomer comes in and decides he'll give Doom a try, and if he should just skip straight to Doom 2 or even custom maps, often this leads to a bit of discussion about original maps.

>>2244028
Alright then let's do it, Strawpoll time: what is the best map from Knee Deep in the Dead? Also feel free to post opinions. http://strawpoll.me/3683381

>>2244046
Open up CHEX.WAD in a Hex Editor.
Change the header from PWAD to IWAD.
Save.

Now either use -iwad command line switch or just rename chex.wad to DOOM.WAD. Shares the same resource/map names as Ultimate Doom.

For Chex2.WAD, run it as a PWAD with the Chex 1 IWAD.

>>2244047
>where is this quoted from
Not the guy you're replying to but I searched /vr/ on Doomworld and it was the first post that came up.

http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1346072/#post1346072

Beginning of the post:

>Basically as Greyghost was saying... almost nobody knows how to make vanilla stuff anymore, most new things target latest advanced engine, with lots of dependency and compatibility problems in the long run. Vanilla (or limit-removing) stuff will continue to be playable on just about any port, as it's the baseline that maps directly to the original, iconic, legendary game.

I dunno where he's getting the idea that people don't know how to make vanilla things anymore when there are people releasing vanilla maps in the threads, or that newer ports introduce compatibility problems in the long run, or why he thinks we're we're just discussing mods rather than making them.

>>2244002
i think other /vr/ topics are only about the original game's levels because the original game's levels are all that there is and ever was of that game.

i mean i wish everyone's favourite game had 20+ years of user created content. but not everything was programmed deliberately to be extendable, and furthermore released as open source after it stopped selling.

>>2244090
oh thanks. i thought it was from some other /vr/ thread for some reason. no idea why. never mind.

>>2243879
The majority of Hellbound's maps. Cities, cathedrals, military bases, a warehouse, highways, dams. It can get tedious though.

Mayan Mishap if you're into ruins, Kuchitsu has also a 7eleven.

>>2243789
https://github.com/chocolate-doom/music-packs

You need these premade config files in the folder you placed the audio files in. Edit them in notepad to point to where you put the songs.

>>2244072
E1M6 I've always considered to be the most fun. Its full-on action everywhere you go, and theres a few neat shortcuts.

>>2244086
thanks, it works

still got a couple issues

1. theres four episodes to choose from, all in dooms red font

2. the setup menu is in dooms red font (i figured that would happen)

3. can't mount chex2.wad as a pwad

I have the dehacked file in the directory with it, perhaps im not doing it right?

what paremeters would you use?

Where can I find custom levels and maps for ChexQuest?

>>2244002
Oh dude, my bad. You are right. Let's talk about Vanilla Doom, not vanilla maps, but Vanilla Doom itself. Hey guys, today I have just found that there is a secret switch at E1M1 that allows me to access the acid pool at the start of the map without even having to fight anyone. Crazy isn't? Oh yeah, we surely could talk about Vanilla Doom for 21 years. Who needs maps and mods anyway?

is this a joke

>>2244201

Yes.

No, really, it's a joke. You're not expected to beat it.

>>2243709
Hi, I'm looking for some good doom models for my game.

>>2244201

all dem asses

>>2244220
There really are none.

I saw someone post this months ago, but haven't heard from them since.

>>2244186
Fuck off SJW

>>2244220
I think the ones from Doom 3 are somewhere

>>2244263
He wasn't being serious, dude.

>>2243749
So basically Doom with somersaulting?

>>2244263

I agree. Go away Skeleton Judo Warlord

>>2244263
>SJW
What?
Did you mean to reply to a post in another thread?

thank god for filters

>>2243749

Someone was doing a Dark Souls mod about... 5 months ago. But that guy fell off the face of the earth too

>>2244278

God dammit I will never look at that term the same way again.

ITS HAPPENING

http://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/71798-community-chest-5/

>>2244286
I once heard of someone who used a plugin for his browser that would automatically switch out the word SJW for Skeleton, so someone would see

>Get the fuck out of here skeleton!
>Fucking skeleton shit!
>The skeletons did this!

I admit, I am tempted, because it seems incredibly funny.

>>2244297
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/sjw-to-skeleton/kckodmjikeoncekpplppkkcjolofmacc?hl=en

>>2244302
>Chrome
This is useless to me.

>>2243789
>One thing I should note: chungy's post mentions the PNG screenshot and substitute music pack support. The Windows binaries on the website don't actually have this compiled in, so if you're using Windows you might be disappointed. These two features require some extra libraries (for PNG, FLAC and Ogg Vorbis support) and there have been some teething problems getting the libraries to compile and work on Windows. Hopefully I can supply some updated binaries in the future.

sorry

>>2244174
I like the trick where you activate the trap door while a zombie is underneath it to force it open immediately, instead of having to wait 30 seconds once you're in the red key area

>>2244278
Fuck off Woff fan

>>2244340
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/foxreplace/

>>2244268
>models
Doom 3? Believe me if i wanted doom 3 models i would use them but i don't. I just want some original doom models something that doesn't look like it was made with lego.

so spicy!

>>2244468
That's really cute.

>>2244201
You'll be fine, the mapper gave you an armor bonus.

>>2244468
damn girl, the fuck is in that ramen

Demonsteele bug: Iron Maiden's punches are silent even on kill(Unlike the sword) so nothing notices you unless you shoot a projectile.

>>2244497

Whoops.
Fixing now, thank you.

>>2244412
Thank you for introducing me to this.

>>2244540
This has actually been around for quite a long time.
Since Iron Maiden mode was a thing but I always forgot to bring it up.

How the hell do you deal with the multiple Arch-viles on map 07 of Valiant?

>>2244626
Don't let the mancubus die.

>>2244564

Well you can tell how much attention I pay to Iron Maiden.
EITHER WAY it's fixed now, so now people can't be stealthy anymore in their massive stompy punchy death armor.

>>2244626
Surely the "no dead mancubus" sign, and the cages of Arch-viles in the starting room would've given you the idea.

>>2243786
>>2243836
>>2243896

Another screenshot from the same level of the same wad. This one a bit more revealing, but it's a cool area and I like it; still not finished though, but the main decorations are in place. I just have to decide how I want to handle the engagement itself.

Yo, what's a good, long, doom was gameplay video I should watch? I've found that they relax me a lot. Cozy bed + Doom on TV = Sleep like a baby.
>>2243749
There's a Berserk mod in the works apparently, but it will be a longass time before it's released.
>>2243767
It's fucking gr8.

>>2244226
>>2244201
Would be a great map for H-Doom

>>2243709
Isn't there a version of this with an archvile at the wheel?

>>2244649
>There's a Berserk mod in the works apparently, but it will be a longass time before it's released.
If only Mike would stop playing Idol Master.

>>2243781
Thank you, my good chum
I have learned from my mistakes

Are there any map building/design tutorials that don't involve learning how to use GZDoom builder?
Because I'd really like to learn how to make windows, buildings with floors, tables etc with GZDoom builder.

>>2244705
I should really say "learning the functions of GZDoom Builder"

>>2244637
>Well you can tell how much attention I pay to Iron Maiden.
Honestly ever since it was revealed I use Iron Maiden like all the time.

And it's pretty great.
I pretty much play Demonsteele just for it right now.
Not that anything else in the mod is bad or anything, it's just I love power armor and heavy punches/kicks

A couple of things which might need to be tweaked/rebalanced though.
1) Slayer rank with Iron Maiden is pretty much completely invincible.
You might want to reduce the protection it offers a little(Not a lot though, just enough to be vulnerable) so people may have to back away a bit for at least a second.

Tested it on slaughtermaps, I can pretty much bruteforce it regardless of what's in the way. Even if it's an army of Cyberdemons or Masterminds or Archviles.

2) With standard Doom HP instead of Tokens the armor doesn't actually last very long when dealing with Hell Knights and above.
This isn't so bad.
HOWEVER picking up a green/blue pickup fucks with Iron Maiden's defenses

>>2244716
Actually I have to say, with Doom HP on slaughtermaps with massive enemies the Iron Maiden armor is pretty bad if you pick up an armor pickup and screw with it's defense.

And if you don't it's still kind of okayish because armor doesn't really regenerate decently.

It feels like it takes hits as a buffer but it doesn't really grow back fast enough to encourage the same kind of playstyle with Life Tokens.

It's kind of a nice change but the armor bug is really busting it.

>>2244716
>>2244729

Ah, dammit, I knew the moment I merged that submission that there would be conflicts with the Iron Maiden.
Time to convert them into custom inventory items and see if I can wizard my way around BasicArmor.

And all right. I think what I'll do is increase the regeneration rate slightly, but in doing so reduce the rank-up defense amount. That way you're more susceptible to burst damage, but you can resist all-out brawls a little longer.

>>2244767
That sounds like a fine change.

I like Iron Maiden with dashing in and just brawling, but it feels like I can also go autopilot right now.

That I don't like.
I'd like to dash backward then go back in when the time is right.

That's the only reason I really bring up the amount of defense to it.
I tend to do that anyways because I just like the idea of ducking and weaving through projectiles and smashing monsters in the face for firing at me.

> trying to watching Doom bro streaming Mock 2 with a straigt face
> the big toilet level

How quickly has HDoom been coming along?

Just dig a quick run through, and in particularly curious to see what happens with the cacodemon, mancubus, and other weapons.

>>2244786

There's an update every few months.
It's been about a month and a half since the last update, we're probably due for one in a few weeks.

>>2244780
Eh? Who?

>>2244797
Lurk more.

>>2244780

Are you talking about Doom comics Doombro? I need to see this shit


Fucking appchan broke, I can't post with it anymore. What the fuck is with these shitty addons breaking. Seriously.

>>2244810
It's over now he finished it an hour ago.

>>2244220
>models
Anyone? I had a look at skulltags and they look nice can't find a download for extracted models.

>>2244824
I don't often use models but i like doomdays more.

>all this talk about iron maiden

it just can't be a coincidence

>>2244828
>>2244824
Why hasn't anyone done wolfenstein or blakestone? there both great games.

my latest masterpiece it is titled
hae-lin eats a cake
the end thanks for reading

>>2244829

The Iron Maiden is cool.
Do you have a problem with it, anon?

>>2244839

whoooosh

>>2244828
From my understanding the best packs to use are Jdrp and Doomsday as they mimic the sprites the best compared to other stuff that completely change them.

But no one really uses model packs here..

>>2244841
don't be a faggot
if you're trying to say something, come out and say it instead of pretending to be all cryptic

>>2244857
Why do none of these mods use the original models for inspiration instead of their perception of the sprites? Not that they aren't all entirely garbage.

>>2244835
deep

ugh forget about it fartknocker, let'ts move on

>>2244857

>people flat out refuse to play Doom unless they can play with things like 3D models

and to think THAT is the most decent-looking out of the bunch

>>2244835

Adorable.

Wanna know a cool trick to beat Chillax Map 04 with Project MSX?
Uncharged punches, punch the fuck out of the pinkies

>>2244468
haha. i'm reminded of azumanga daioh. who's the one on the right? just a female doomguy?

>>2244867
>ugh forget about it fartknocker
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little imp?

>>2244863
>original models
Implying doom had models.

>>2244880
The sprites were made by editing scanned photos of clay models, scrublord.

>>2244857
>okay which one of you clowns opened the portals to the Meat Dimension

>>2244883
Only a few, if I remember right. I think some of them were made the hard way but i'm not entirely sure.

>>2244883
Implying we can get access to them, also its king of the scrublords to you.

>>2244879
u heard me

fartknocker

>>2244904
FAKKA YOU

*FAKKA YOU*

So, were the 1.9 builds of GZDoom removed from the archive on purpose, or is the site just fucked right now?

>>2244920

There are no words for how fucking angry I am.

>>2244920
>>2244925
http://forum.drdteam.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=6397
calm your autism nerds, this is the last 1.x build

>>2244926
The last 1.x release was 1.9pre-828-g60ff6c5.

>>2244932
This came out one day after that. The numbers are weird, I know.

MUDRAM http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=1190

pretty much a co-op level. a large monster population (200+), including lots of barons, two cyberdemons, and a spiderdemon, and an even larger ammo stockpile (pictured is one of half a dozen such caches).

the cybers are placed rather awkwardly. cells are limited to three BFGs and a plasma gun, which you have to run past them to get. there are two invulnerabilities but you still have to know where to go. lacking armour, the area in which they are fought i felt was just a little too small for circlestrafing, so i ended up rather tediously plinking away from behind a door on my first attempt. also, the spiderdemon is stuck in a wall and can't move. not sure how that got past the author.

if you don't like hordes of imps and barons and awkwardly placed cyberdemons there's always HNTR, which has a similar monster count but they're all sergeants. this mode is arguably even harder, as you're only ever a few hitscans away from death.

health and armour are limited to medikits and a couple of dozen bonuses. it feels like you're never far from death. for this reason (and because it's an H2H level) it seems like a co-op map, not intended for single player. dying to heal seems expected. the masses of ammo are there because ammo doesn't respawn in vanilla co-op.

the architecture is probably the best part of the level. height variation, an open design, some good use of sky hack walls - a corridor maze this is not. the consistency/symmetry of the four player starts leads to the amusing sight of a lift to transport you up... 8 units.

>>2244151
>Why TSP lacks an update.gif
but teaspoon is being worked on as we speak tho

In order to trigger Shining Knight, now you use the Use Item key, which makes it a lot more accessible and easier to use.

It took a hell of a code overhaul, but I think it's a lot better now.

>>2244090
Oh, hex11! I should have guessed. He could reasonably be described as the purist's purist. Nice to know he's been here, although I can't imagine he stuck around for long.

>>2244969
GMOTA is shaping up to be wicked as hell. Is there a GitHub for it?

>>2244994
kegan doesn't believe in githubs or acs

>>2245013
What a nub.

>>2245013
>kegan doesn't believe in githubs or acs

Yes, which is why GMOTA has ACS in it and is getting more next build.

>>2245015
the little bit of acs he has in there was written by others
he won't try to acs himself
and if advice for using acs were zdoom feature suggestions, he'd be graf zahl

You know its a real shame no one will ever do thriller in doom engine just to say! i can do anything.

>>2245018
scroton
please

>>2245018

Motherfucker the shining knight ACS script was written by myself. As was the enter scripts for taking the POW effect and the Arcane chicken and mystic wine power effects were done by me as well.

I'm still green to ACS but you can't fucking sit there and tell people I don't do it.

>>2245026
>but you can't fucking sit there and tell people I don't do it.
he can if he's butthurt that you're not using his acs :^)

>>2245026
I didn't know you had started using acs, sorry
third point still stands tho

>>2245029

Only when said is far beyond my skill level. I'd rather not let GMOTA suffer the same fate as samsara with a bunch of code that I myself cannot handle

>>2245031
it's e-z code though
looped for her pleasure

>>2245032
scroton

PLEASE

>>2245032
Yeah, dude, your code is super-easy to go through. You remember the shoot-n-boot in Samsara, how every single state had to have a check and another state because you thought synthfire was for chumps? Remember how TSP went on haitus for half a year because you insisted on reinventing the wheel in ACS and Marty could do shit all on his own project? Remember how you decided that the best way to make platforms was with A_RadiusGive giving the player inventory items pushing the player upwards? Psshhh it's just babby-tier coding get on my level or else I'm gonna fucking beg you every chance I get to use my code please use my code I don't have anywhere else to go please

>>2245039
My hiatus from TSP last year had nothing to do with TSP at all. I can't pretend that I understand half of the code that's been put in TSP but I'm thankful that I've got someone who's willing to contribute in such a way to my project. I wouldn't have made it past the first release without scroton's help.

>>2244926
>>2244932
>>2244935
I thought it was 1.8.10 here http://forum.drdteam.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=6482

>>2245061
Ah, I hadn't seen that. Yeah, that's the latest 1.x build then.

>>2245039
>Yeah, dude, your code is super-easy to go through.
I strive to make it easy to read and format it consistently. I really really do.
I probably need to comment more, because other people's code is always difficult to read simply because you're not the person that wrote it. This is true for everyone, and I'll be the first to admit I dropped the ball by not commenting more.

>You remember the shoot-n-boot in Samsara, how every single state had to have a check and another state because you thought synthfire was for chumps?
The reason it has the wonky decorate it has is because the boot has to appear under the gun for it to match Duke. It's not intentionally obtuse. I also did it out of the blue for a mod that isn't mine (like other doom code stuff I've done) and it wasn't replacing existing synthfire, it was replacing no synthfire.

>Remember how TSP went on haitus for half a year because you insisted on reinventing the wheel in ACS and Marty could do shit all on his own project?
This isn't/wasn't the case. I don't know what you're talking about with reinventing the wheel in ACS or preventing Marty from doing things; neither of those things happened.

>Remember how you decided that the best way to make platforms was with A_RadiusGive giving the player inventory items pushing the player upwards?
For actor platforms it is though. It makes sense to use A_Radiusgive and it's not something super advanced or unprecedented, other people have done similar things. In fact the platforms are kinda lacking in some areas compared to other existing techniques which is why I'm in the process of redoing them. They are bad code (the part that isn't the A_Radiusgive, anyway)

continued

>>2245039
>>2245065
>Psshhh it's just babby-tier coding get on my level
If this is about the whip I did for GMOTA then it's not a very advanced script. I'm not saying that to try to act like I'm super smart, it really is just one loop based on distance (which existing functions in zdoom make trivial, using what maybe sounds like a fancy math thing but is just an existing formula being used in acs. The formula (bezier curves) is used by tons of stuff including games. When I did the whip for Kegan I also tried to have it easy for him to modify it without having to actually do any acs, with definitions for what the script would use at the start and as much as possible kept in decorate.

>or else I'm gonna fucking beg you every chance I get to use my code please use my code I don't have anywhere else to go please
Wow rude :-(

I suppose I deserve it for >>2245018, which I didn't mean as aggressive or harsh as it may have sounded. I'm only ribbing Kegan because I want him to use acs because it will make a lot of GMOTA things easier for him (I wasn't aware he already was), and he in the past said things in irc about how he'd not learn it because he couldn't because it was too hard, which was selling himself short. I'm not doing this because I think of myself as some "get on my level" coding expert (I'm definitely not) but rather because when i see him avoiding acs I see myself a year and a half ago and I remember a ton of wasted effort finding wonky workarounds or just arduous monumental repetitive coding to do certain things in decorate when a good amount of the things I was doing in decorate could have been rendered trivial if I had used a bit of acs in places.

Also who is this?

>>2245039
Terminus?

>>2244885
>Doomguy
>Zombies
>Hellknight/Baron
>Cyberdemon

These were clay models over artists dolls, to make them poseable. However, there was problems with this, it would be difficult to change the pose, because they would often break each time. That is why they hired Gregor Punchatz to do latex models with poseable metal skeletons.

>Spider Mastermind
>Mancubus
>Arch-Vile
>Revenant
These were latex/metal models made to be poseable.

>Lost Soul
Literally drawn over the skull of an anatomy display skeleton.

>Arachnotron
Without question redrawn from Spider Mastermind frames.

>Demon
Drawn over a Jurassic Park dinosaur toy.

>Imp
>Cacodemon/Painelemental
These were probably drawn from scratch, to my knowledge.

>>2245039
>You remember the shoot-n-boot in Samsara, how every single state had to have a check and another state because you thought synthfire was for chumps?

I have my own issues with Scroton, but synthfire was never involved with Dukeboot.

>>2245069

If I was to tell you about how I felt about you, I'd probably tell it to you in person. Bitching about it on the internet is a recipe for disaster.
Besides, I think we've already talked, and I don't tend to mince words about people. Communication, both positive and negative, is the absolute best way to handle a creative partnership in working on something.

>>2245072
Cacademon's sprites were probably based off that dungeons n dragons pic.

>>2245080
Yeah, they were based on them, I'm certain, but they probably drew the graphic from scratch.

What happened to the /vr/ Music wad that one anon was planning on making. Music from the same time that Doom was being made, but not put into the original game.

Otherwise, can anyone recommend a good music wad?

>>2245105
I think he was also going to make the music wad based on our suggestions, plus he was going to make the midis himself

>>2244857
Great models, are there any model packs?

>>2244857
Haha
In the thumbnail it looks like the revenant is waering a cap sideways

>>2245123
Yo homie time to lay down the phat beatdowns with my boom-box!... Dawg.

>>2245128
beautiful

>>2245128
hahaha

>>2245128
rofl

>>2245128
Got that bone-shaking bass

Is it possible to play normal wads online? As if it were co-op?

>>2245171
Zandronum + Doomseeker or ZDaemon.
Please no ZDoom

>>2245176
Are you saying I need (Zandronum + Doomseeker) as in both together and or just Zdaemon. Or Zandronum with either of the other 2?

>>2245180
Zandronum comes bundled with a version of Doomseeker tailored for it. It's fairly simple and works well enough for finding games, but making your own server will require port forwarding or other wizardry.

>>2245180
Here, let me explain:
>Zandronum + Doomseeker
You start Doomseker, create a server, make sure you tell the master server that you want to include your server in the global list.
Tell your buddy your IPv4 address.
Alternatively, you can create a server via IRC, just join #bestever in the Zandronum IRC and take a look here:
http://www.best-ever.org/

>ZDaemon
Create a server, tell your friend your IPv4 address, have fun.

If your buddy tries to connect via the "connect [IP]" command inside Zandronum, he must make sure he loaded the proper PWADs

>>2245182
Never really had a problem hosting any kind of games

>>2245184
This means I can give him my Hamachi address if we are on the same net there too?
Using Zan+seeker

Holy shit I can finally fucking post. Okay so before I actually officially launch this bastard of an update, I'd sooner share with you guys what I got thus far, take your feedback into consideration, and tweak things as needed.

Bigger suggestions and shit will be planned for future updates, I really don't want to add more shit for this update.

Here's a download:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7rffkdaunqm0axx/GMOTA_V0.9.8%20%28WIP%29.pk3?dl=0

and here's a changelog for you curious people:
http://pastebin.com/sqkQx6Zg

>>2245223

Oh fuck the changelog doesn't mention what happened to the shining knight.

For those of you who haven't been following too close. The BFG is now replaced with an item that allows you to trigger the shining knight form with the use item key now

For DRPG/DRLA/M - how does one cheat to add credits? I wanna try something, and I can't figure out what the tag for credits is.

Why am I even trying to do this.

>>2245316
you want us to go "ooh anon you're so badass" while our shirts fall open and the air fills with sparkles

>>2245316
>>2245324
only joking. maybe for bragging rights?

today I finally downloaded Brutal Doom

now I know why it is the mod of the year
all years

>>2245324
>>2245328
Maybe. Although that is the only map I think you can do solo.
Started out with Hideous Destructor ( BFG from get-go without much else ) on Hideous difficulty. Helped a lot with the initial room and imps, but not much after that.

I did use single jump at one place since that last switch is beyond swathes of imps, few cacodemons and a cyberdemon.
Leaves me bad taste in mouth, but I don't think it is possible for me to get through without dying.

>>2245376
Accessories To Murder is much better though.

>>2245376
It`s brilliant. Russian Overkill and ketchup mod is also very fun (try the sunder maps).

>>2245451
gonna try russian overkill, with which wad does it make a good combo?

>>2245428
No, it isn't.

>>2245376
You will soon want to either switch to the betas or Sperglord Edition, since v19 is bugged as fuck. Check the news post for a download link of a v20 beta.

>>2245463
Yes it is.

>>2245459
Maps with tons of enemies.
Sunder, slaughterfests ( slaughterfest 2012 maps 28 and 30 ), Deus Vult 1/2, Scythe 2 etc.
Just watch out with the Ketchup, it tends to be pretty heavy on maps with high amount of enemies.

Patched some stuff yet again so it works online.
Now, did YOU guys find any differences between Samsara and the original games?
If so, please post them so I can patch them and then upload the Original Classes patch.

Here are the ones I found:
http://pastebin.com/uDY4fgFC

>>2245509
>Instead of shooting many pellets in a wide spread, the original explosive shotgun shoots a single pellet and is (almost?) pinpoint accurate.
welp, no reason to play as anyone else now
gg
best balance

>>2245509
>>2245568
>The projectiles are actual nails, not a trail of bulletpuffs.
holy shit, they were difficult enough to see in dm
gg x2

>B.J. receives much more damage by hitscan if the enemy who's shooting at him is very close.
jesus christ good luck in any corridor maps now

>>2244631
>>2244642
It did not; I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

>>2245607
If you keep all your knives in a drawer they'll get dull. If you want them to rip and tear through whatever you're cutting then you should keep them on a rack or in a knife holder.

Is there a Lo Wang add-on for Samsara?

Cool pic on Mike's blog~

http://hdoomguy.tumblr.com/post/111385483087/

>>2245675
Cool.

>>2245675
That's against the rules!

Oh wait, this is the wrong board...

>>2244889
There are many pictures of them.

Why does PrBoom+ look so bright and washed out? I can't even find any option to change brightness or contrast.

>>2245775
Hit F11 few times.

>>2245775
Look in the .cfg, most of the options are in there.

>>2245775
In 1998 Lee Killough set the default gamma in Boom to 3 so he didn't have to keep resetting it when testing with a default config.

No-one has ever reverted this.

Its funny how drastically different Plutonia 2 ended up becoming after Gusta joined in. At least half the levels from the original team didn't even make it in.

Even the old demo level didn't even make it into the final product. http://doomedsda.us/wad1085.html

>>2245775
open up the .cfg
find "usegamma"
Set it to 0.

I wish revenants weren't so popular.

>>2245819
You should consume less Plutonia for your blood pressure's sake.

>Found my old Master Levels of Doom 2 CD
>Discovered it also has a folder labeled Maximum that has like a billion other WADs in there
Are any of them good or is it just a bunch of really shit maps?

>>2245819

I wish YOUR FACE wasn't so popular.
YEAH.
TAKE THAT.

>>2245675
Is that an Impgirl trying to do a Cyberdemon/Baronofhell?
I want there one day be a hentai manga of a Doom orgy - HDoom demonesses on Doom demons

Why don't Lost Souls explode into flying Archviles?

>>2245568
Reread the CVAR section. You can force the player to use samsaras version of the explosive shotgun.

>>2245573
.webm related, I think they are quite easy to see, especially because the nail sprites are always bright.

And I never had an issue as BJ in corridor maps, though, fighting the Spider Demon is now much harder.
I guess another CVAR won't hurt, setting it to one disables the extra damage.

>>2245841
We couldn't handle JUST the concept of a flying archvile when it was brought up before.

>>2245838
I want hdoom vanilla hand holding doujins for each of the girls

I just beat Plutonia for the first time on UV -fast, including the secret levels, with only one savegame per level (always at the start.) A few musings:

1. Shotgunners and chaingunners are hyperfast death turrets. They almost turn Doom into a cover-based FPS at times.
2. If you get cornered by three or more demons/spectres, and you don't have a plasma rifle or BFG... bye.
3. Lost souls attack constantly, and even just one of them can quickly kill you if you're not ready. Pain elementals shoot them at lightning speed, using them as shields to render them invulnerable, unless you get up close or use the BFG.
4. Some enemies actually get easier. Arch-viles stand still instead of running around resurrecting monsters, and cyberdemons are much more predictable.
5. The relative difficulty of levels isn't what you'd expect. One of the hardest levels was MAP25 because of all the traps and hitscanners, whereas one of the easiest levels was MAP32 because there was plenty of health/ammo and mostly just projectile monsters (which don't become much harder.)

>>2245851
I want HDoom VN.

>>2245830
it's basically id's shovelware CD
http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Maximum_Doom

>>2245856
I get that but are there any actual good maps or is it all crap all the time?

>>2245813
I'm honestly glad Gusta took over. A LOT of the old maps in its original development weren't very Plutonia-like, some even being shit terrible. And the meddling from Virgil The Doom Poet butchered a lot of the maps (this was eventually undone for the maps that did make it in the final release).

>>2245859
well i don't actually have it. but going by the file list http://classicdoom.com/mlcdwads.htm i'd say yes there are good maps on it.

on the other hand a lot of them are dodgy doom2 conversions of doom1 levels and it'd be better to play the originals.

ultimately it depends on your tastes, though. i like mid90s maps and can find enjoyment in many which other doomers would call shit and refuse to play.

>>2245856
>there are 3201 maps on the disc

I wonder if anyone has played all of them

>>2245852
You should play Hell Revealed with -fast. Fun times are had in maps with archvile cages everywhere.

>>2245859
Half the fun is digging through them and finding the ones that are worth a shit, while laughing at the garbage. Have fun and let us know if you find any really good ones!

>>2245223
>>2245249
>Get torch
>Can't throw powered torches in powered sword mode
>Figure I need a POW upgrade
>Get POW upgrade
>Still can't throw powered torches
Bug?

The icon is gray.

>>2245886
Tarnsman's been doing a stream series of maximum doom for the past year or so.

>>2245852
congratulations, i've done them all UV from pistol starts without saves but i could never be bothered with fast monsters.

>>2245887
the bfg room in hr18, ouch

>>2245892
Oh I didn't know I needed charges now.
I am pretty stupid.

Cannon weapons don't need charges?

>>2245838
I want a bara Baron

>>2245918
that animation is hilarious and remarkably lewd, somehow.

>>2245852

-fast is so underrated

>>2245935
I like that Pinkies and Lost Souls become legitimate threats, rather than just annoyances.

>>2245935
i used to always set up nightmare as just uv -fast

>>2245819
Too bad the only monster in a similar health range is the hell knight, and those are pretty nonthreatening.

>>2245951
What? Theres a 200 hitpoint difference between them.

>>2245935
Hitscan gets incredibly difficult, but projectile monsters (save for Pain Elementals, Lost Souls and Demons) become much easier.
Now fast AND respawning, this is a real nightmare.

>>2245956
>Now fast AND respawning, this is a real nightmare.

hyuk hyuk

Guys
guys

What if
instead of rocket launchers

The revenants had

shoulder-mounted dual chainguns

>>2245956
Quick! What's the difference between -fast -respawn, and Nightmare skill?

>>2245967
ABSOLUTELY AGITATING

>>2245972

Cheats aren't allowed in Nightmare and you get double ammo.

>>2245972

the medikits in NM
double ammo

>>2245978
>the medikits in NM
how are the medikits different?

Anyone have tips to get Doom Survival running well? The game loads up but it's in first person and whenever I try to move I get script errors.

>>2245967
This makes them easier because now they will infight with each other.

>>2245997
+NOINFIGHTING

>>2246003
>They still hurt each other but now the ones in front just block the bullets
It's pretty meh.

Homing projectiles are much more dangerous.

>>2245921

>>2245972
>cheats are disabled (except idclev and iddt)
>double ammo
>enemies are even faster (on -fast, recently alerted monsters take a few steps before attacking, but on nightmare, they attack immediately)

>>2246016
Weird. Who is Phil?

>>2245838
Nah, just Doomguy.

>>2246028
It's from a comic.
http://mursart.tumblr.com/post/99917271676/do-you-ever-wonder-if-the-demons-get-bored-while

>>2244839
>>2244860
not that anon but bruce dickinson from iron maiden has gone in cancer treatment
http://www.ironmaiden.com/bruce-dickinson-undergoes-cancer-treatment.html

>>2245913

Yeah sorry about the weird new setup for item crashes, and no, the powered cannon still only uses red mana, so it's a little easier to use compared to the sword.

>>2246053
I hope it goes well. Bruce is one of the most based people in the business

>>2246042
thanks, it makes more sense that there is some wider context.

>>2245967
ACTOR ChaingunRevenant : Revenant replaces Revenant
{
States
{
Missile:
SKEL J 0 Bright A_FaceTarget
SKEL J 1 Bright A_FaceTarget
SKEL K 1 A_PlaySound("weapons/shotgf")
SKEL K 1 A_CustomBulletAttack(15, 0, 2, 5)
SKEL K 1 A_MonsterRefire(130, "See")
Goto Missile+1
}
}

Copy that into Notepad, save as DECORATE.TXT, run it with ZDoom or one of its derivatives, and find out for yourself.

>>2246062
I haven't played since version v0.9.2 so I am a bit behind on things.

Are the shotgun guy replacements supposed to hit so hard? Not their melee but the projectiles
Their shots hurt quite a lot.

I think I'm just getting used to it still but so far I like everything but Axes and POW Axes.
They just feel lame but then again I never really liked them too much.

I haven't tested out the different crashes yet though, just running through Doom 2 right now.

>>2246078

Anon please. Term might see this

>>2246082

I buffed steel Duke spikeballs a little more. Someone was complaining about a nerf I did on them. If it's a problem I'll tweak the damage more.

And I've heard people mention axes feel lackluster. How would you suggest I make them better? And the POW'd up axes?

>>2246078
>>2246085
jesus christ

>>2246093
Well after picking up a Yashichi and getting hit with the spikeballs I lost about 33% of a health bar in a single shot.

It seems a little heavy but I probably wouldn't mind it if they were more fragile. The enemies are surprisingly durable.

As for the axes I don't really know how to buff them in a meaningful way.
I'm sure they are doing a lot of damage numerically but it doesn't feel like it.
Maybe you can turn the regular axes into two axes and POW axes into one big axe and two little ones?

>>2246115
Found a bug:
Arachnotron replacements can cause infighting with one another consistently but they can not hurt each other.

You probably should make it so they either can't infight with one another at all.

>>2246053

Oh man, what a terrible thing to happen to an awesome guy.
Hopefully he can fight it off.

I got prboom-plus 2.5.1.3

How can I play is at dooms native resolution of 320x200 (of course scaled up as my monitor is huge); and how can I get the visuals of Boom?

By that, I mean pic related, the hud text is colorful, and it isn't as dark.

>>2246078
>>2246085
>>2246096

>>2246168
Don't use 2.5.1.3. Get 2.5.1.4 thats dated @2015-Feb-17 23:24

320x200 doesnt work properly with modern graphics drivers. Chocolate Doom achieves it through emulation and scaling.

HUD colors are easy to set up, just go into options > setup > Satus Bar/HUD

>>2246129
Another thing I noticed is sometimes the Imp replacements do absolutely massive amounts of damage.

Like 90% of the time I lose a little health on whatever they're throwing, but then sometimes I lose around 80-160% Life and I'm not sure why.

>>2246184
zDoom has a 320x200 mode, it might not work in fullscreen, but it should be available. If I set the resolution in the .cfg file to "320x200" it does work, same with "640x400". But I want 320x200 scaled 3x.

And i'm not diggin the options menu; the text should be larger in my opinion.

Other than that, my biggest complaint is that run is always on, that should be toggled with capslock on, but it's the other way around. How can I fix this?

>>2245852
You think Lost Souls are bad in vanilla gameplay, Doom 64 made them even worse.

>>2246217
They're much more fragile in Doom 64 though.

Chaingun just tears through crowds.

>>2246192
After playing the test version of GMOTA all the way through Doom 2 I have to say
>Arachnotron replacements are fun to fight
>Shining Knight is really really useful yet doesn't feel really overpowered
>Item Crashes don't get used very often since refills for them are really rare
>Item crashes don't seem too useful but I haven't tested it very much
>POW Daggers/Torches are insanely good for different reasons(Torches for damage and projectiles flying about, Daggers for that damage output and Power sword energy gain)
>No love for the Axe whatsoever
>Charge shot level 2 is insanely powerful
>Earthshaker is still the only cannon subweapon I like

Now I will probably fuck about with the different things to see how well the different subweapons do.

>>2246201
Option's menu is like that because for whatever reason, the prboom menu graphics were removed in 2.5.1.4.

>>2246115

I'll fiddle with the damage a little more. Maybe lower their HP slightly as well.

That Axe idea is interesting, I'll keep talking with others and see what we can come up with.

The infighting sounds hilarious but I'll make sure to fix that too. Thanks for the feedback so far.

I'll look into balancing imp skirmisher damage as well. I should probably make crash charges just a little more common

>>2246201
If your desktop video mode has square pixels, Doom at 320x200 is going to run at the wrong aspect ratio. You need to either use a proper tall-pixel video mode or scale the output up to 1600x1200 if you want pixel-perfect original resolution.

>>2246246
Also to note
>Charge shot level 2 is insanely powerful
Is a positive thing.

Another thing I noticed is that Powered sword's standard slashes feels really really bad.
Are the sword waves supposed to feel kind of dinky?
Or is it made for just a single target instead of groups?

I remember it being like a BFG invisible rays thing before so I'm not sure how it's supposed to be utilized right now.

Right now I don't use the powered sword's attacks at all and use the meter for something much more useful.

>>2246273
Oh yeah forgot to mention.

Crash Hammers are fucking awesome.

Any word on TSP updates?
I still play the version released quite some time back and it's still really fun.

>>2246008
Hey

How about

Flying Homing chainsaws

That explode after cutting you for a second or two

And that release four tinny machine gun guys when they explode
And a tinny archvile

>>2244863
>>2244857
I think that if they made working voxels of the actual sprites and converted them to models(can you even do that?) it would look fucking ACE

>>2246273

I really need to give the powered sword strikes a buff. Maybe tweak the behavior a little.

Right now it fires a fan spray of those piercing waves and one strong melee.

Now that I'm not completely retarded. I might make the attack fire out a 360 degree spray of projectiles that shred monsters. Similar to what the POW'd up goddess bracelet was gonna do.

>>2246340
GMOTA guy, I have some bad news.

It doesn't pierce and has never pierced since it became that fan of waves

I do like cutting waves by the way.

>>2245967
Please no, hitscan enemies ruin all the fun.

>>2246317
Okay.
Who the fuck looked at Doom and was like..
"Hey this game's revolutionary and all but it could really use a selfie stick"

>>2246421
Someone with a sense of humor, Anon.

>>2246078
ACTOR MetaRevenant : Revenant replaces Revenant
{
States
{
Missile:
SKEL J 0 Bright A_FaceTarget
SKEL J 10 Bright A_FaceTarget
SKEL K 10 A_CustomMissile("MetaRevenantTracer",56,0)
SKEL K 10 A_FaceTarget
Goto See
}
}

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I'm assuming my enhancer is my most important card to skill up first in DA?

>>2246352

Now I know for a fact the wave pierces. It's just kinda... Shit. I'll look into this tonight

>>2246463
I tested it right before the post just to check GMOTA guy.

It stops at any enemy.
It has always been like that.

It's actually one of the many reasons I think it's bad.

>>2246426
Not saying it's not funny. Gave me a hell of a chuckle. Just wondering how the hell they came up with the idea.

>>2246446
whoops

>>2246480

>>2246471

Well I think I'm gonna soup that bastard up when I get home and try out that 360 degree attack. It's what I've wanted anyways. The original idea was a DnD style cleave, a melee attack with splash damage. I'm not quite as retarded as I was a few months ago. So I think I can make it a reality now.

>>2246313
come in to #tsp on zand anon
and the updates are being worked on currently by both Marty Kirra and scroton

>>2246539
I don't have any idea what that is I'm sorry.

>>2246597

He's referring to an IRC network and the channel is #tsp

>>2246597
this >>2246604
irc.zandronum.com
#tsp
there's also the git
https://github.com/BlueVertigo/indigoskyline
you can download the git on the right, and zip up everything in the "pk3" folder and play that if you want to try the git version

I managed to lose a bunch of buttons in SLADE.
Can someone tell me how this happened?

so i got prboom+ 2.5.1.4's parameters set, and it's going good (I even got chex quest running on it!). This is what im trying to do:

>prboom-plus -2 -iwad DOOM/DOOM.WAD -width 320 -height 200 -3

plenty of sites are telling me that the -3 (or -1 or -2) should scale the window, but it doesn't. any ideas?

>>2246267
i like it the way it is

Anyone here play Doom primarily in software mode?

I would use OpenGL, as I do like some of the benefits, but...
>GLBoom doesn't have fixes for software renderer tricks, making stuff like the bridge in BTSX E1 Map01 look fucked.
>GLBoom doesn't take advantage of shaders to create fuzz effects for partial invisibility
>GZDoom does what i mentioned above, but insists on forcing me to have the sky curved into a cylinder, even if I disable freelook. It looks ugly and bugs me too much to let it slide.

Anyone recommend a good model pack?

>>2246896
>model pack
>good
chose one

>>2246636
Lol, I know what all this means, but just think for a moment as a non-nerd what this would look like. Zandronum, IRC, a teaspoon hashtag...

>>2246902
>Good

>>2246472
it's Linguica, he's always had his finger on the pulse of the internet. he also did Doom Rickroller

>>2246931
no he didn't, the description says as much https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aJjMOy-Ops

>>2246935
...
well. huh. how about that.
apologies to Kinsie.

>>2246896
Brutal Doom with the GZDoom shell

>>2246943
>Brutal Doom with the GZDoom shell
Sometimes i wonder if people actually know about things they are talking about.

>>2246943
see this made me laugh, but there's always going to be somebody who thinks you're serious

>>2246916
Yeah, I can see how it would be incomprehensible.

>>2246943
>Brutal Doom with the GZDoom shell
Yeah, That won't work because neither of them actual have models in them. I mean if brutal doom was to it would but the sprites work rather well for it.

>>2246896
Could try doomsday i mean i use but the models are total shit.

Its funny that a lot of megawads in the 90's would make a point about the fact that its free in the text file.

>>2246681
>plenty of sites are telling me that the -3 (or -1 or -2) should scale the window, but it doesn't. any ideas?
sorry, those options don't seem to work. i actually have no idea where they came from. svn r2231, "Jon's man page update from Debian" - where did Jon get them from, i wonder.

for now i suggest you go in prboom-plus.cfg and change the value of render_screen_multiply. it appears this is also possible from page 5 of the general menu. i can't seem to find a command line option for it.

>>2246968
Seeing this awful modeling kinda makes me want to redo Doom in 3d but do it well.

Shame I know fuck all about modeling. Still feel like I could do better.

>>2247007
>Shame I know fuck all about modeling. Still feel like I could do better.
clearly many others have thought the same.
thus the reason why there are so many shitty model packs.

>>2246986
Probably in response to the then controversy surrounding TNT becoming commercialised for Final Doom.

I might have an answer regarding GMOTA's axes kinda sucking, but I'm not sure if you guys would like this.

I raise their damage output a little, lower the fire rate a little and make it so the player starts with NO subweapon, and NO subshot.

>>2247037
>and make it so the player starts with NO subweapon, and NO subshot.
i'm surprised this isn't behavior already, honestly

>>2247048

I probably should have made it standard fucking ages ago, given how many tricks you can pull with the sword and Blazter.

People are going to get whiplash from this but I'm not officially releasing this version yet, I'm trusting you guys to run this mod into the ground and try all kinds of shit and see how things work. I'll have another test version up soon

Right now crash charges replace higher tier gun spawns. The general consensus seems to be "THAT SHIT IS TOO RARE SON."

So I'm trying to think of what else I could have give out charges

>>2237307
i had to use a lot of savegame reloads to get through this now :(

there's no way up to the soulsphere secret is there? unless you either
- don't miss the tricky jump on your first attempt, it's not retryable, or
- get bounced by the archvile, which usually kills you instead

>>2247050
Maybe give large ammo boxes a chance of spawning them instead of mana?

>>2247053
You can climb up on to the side of the arena over where the evil eye is. This was actually the intended way to get it; a nice big heal you can get if you manage to not die trying to climb up there.
I didn't realize you can grab as you jump into the arena until later.

>>2247064

You mean like rockets, cells, shells, and bullets?

That might work, but only on a chance based sorta thing, like either mana gems or charges.

This is surprisingly one of the toughest decisions I've had to make because I need to find a delicate balance between plentiful enough that players use them but no so rare that you never use them ever

>>2247075
Yeah, that's exactly what I meant.
If you find that it's still too rare/common, you can just adjust the chances of them spawning a charge.

>>2245105
>>2245108
Anybody??

>>2247069
oh. i'm embarrassed to have missed that. thank you, i shall try to play it again later.

>>2247103
No problem. Don't feel bad about using quicksaves for that final fight.
I made the damn thing and I still have to save before I jump in.

>>2246896
Anyone?

>>2247132
Try Sitters electronics if you're looking for general .md2 / .md3 models.

The voxel models I`ve seen in some mods are very blocky and low res. Is the resolution limited by something?

>>2247157
No.
Voxels are like pixels and can be scaled down to increase resolution at the same size.

>>2247075
Personally I think Item crashes are really too weak to have them be rare.

Maybe I just don't know what's a good item crash but even when I'm fully decked out with 9/9 and there's a shitload of backpacks it feels a bit forced if I decide to try and use them.

Just don't make it as spammable as it was back before the Item Crash ammo count and it will probably be alright.

I don't understand the Laser Lance or when it would be effective in particular, I feel I am better off just cleaving things with the sword

>>2247190

Really I'm starting to question item crashes as a whole as of late, but I feel like it'd be FAR too drastic to just simply remove them. Having them consume arcane mana brought about the problem of running off the same energy as powered sword strikes.

Damn it. I've really got my ass into a corner

>>2247192
The Item Crashes are not bad to have.

There are two problems with them though.
1) They don't hurt enough to have rare ammo
2) POW'd weaponry is way more useful pretty much universally due to utility + Spammability

Your solution of making it take Red meter will be THE DEATH OF ITEM CRASHES by the way, for two reasons:
1) Earthshaker
2) POW'd Earthshaker
This shit is bananas and it dominates everything.
Make the other cannon subweapons better, holy shit. Earthshaker is so dominant

Here's a couple of suggestions on how to make Item Crashes have a valid spot in Blaz's arsenal:
1) Make it a powerhouse
I'm talking BFG tier. Something you whip out when you desperately need a lot of monsters dead and fast.
2) Make it take power sword meter
Considering that you're making tweaks to the Power Sword slashes, you can also balance the Item Crashes around however the effectiveness of the power sword will be.

There is nothing wrong with the concept of Item Crashes.
However everything in Blaz's arsenal has been getting better while Item Crashes have been staying about the same or even weaker.
Meanwhile I can take POW daggers and have an infinite spamming triple dagger toss.
Or POW Lances to have something more useful than Laser Lances(The startup for Laser Lances basically kills any real use it has considering Blaz's effective range)
And this is not even considering the power of POW Torches either, which has no wrong way to use it outside of hitting walls.

>>2247204

arcane is the blue energy, bro.

Mystic is red mana.

I could always remove item crashes and make them SWORD TECHNIQUES and you get different SWORD TECHNIQUES depending on what subweapon you have equipped.

>>2247204
Also another thing to consider is that Earthshaker really outshines a lot of item crashes right now.

It's beyond BFG tier.
And then it gets POW'd and suddenly it's a blackhole.
It just clears out everything and getting red meter for it? Easy as pie and possibly cake.

Honestly it feels a little out of place but that's mostly because I picture Blaz being dominant with blue bar instead of red bar. But the Earthshaker kind of sticks out as this weapon that clears out groups using a meter Blaz can't really make much use of outside of the Earthshaker.

And to make Item Crashes use red bar will make it so that Item Crashes will have quite literally 0 use.

>>2247206
My bad, I figure arcane is red due to magic.

I am so sorry for the posts

Please do something to make the cannons balanced, I see no reason to do much besides build up red meter and use Earthshaker. I don't even know if the other shots are decent because Earthshaker is on a level all it's own

>>2247212

I'm thinking about nerfing the earthshaker's radius because.

Yeah.

This is kind of silly.

>>2247214
The radius is not the issue GMOTA guy.

The issue is much more simpler than that.
Look at the red bar cost.

Compare it to the other cannon subweapons.
For that kind of effect it should only have 1 or 2 shots until you need to start building up meter again. It would at least make the other shots feel like they have the illusion of a place in the arsenal.

I also see absolutely no reason to use the powered cannon in any form whatsoever. Is it meant to be weak?

>>2247218

The powered cannon's primary fire has life steal, a feature many still aren't aware of that I'm trying to draw attention to in the latest version. I should probably ramp the damage up a little more too.

But yeah I'll raise the mana cost instead.

>>2247220
I actually think the Earthshaker is really good for a panic button or for dealing with massive hordes of enemies.

I feel the problem is that the other shots aren't particularly useful.
The cluster grenades are kind of good for some crowds, but the Earthshaker does everything it can and a lot better.
Even without POW.

The spread shot is really good on bosses when POW'd and at point blank(Two shots the Mastermind) but outside of POW it is pretty lackluster while the Earthshaker tends to dominate everything but bosses.

It feels like those need some buffs but were generally a bit ignored.
Has anyone mentioned this before? I would be surprised if I was the first

>>2247231

You're the first, and really I don't think the scattershot and cluster missiles are too weak.

it's the earthshaker being too damn strong. I raised it's mana usage by 20 points and I'm considering reducing the damage output of it a little, making the cluster missiles do more damage, but the earthshaker is better as a breathing room weapon because of its absurd push forces.

Anyone know any megawads that have "hub" levels. I don't mean hexen/strife styled hubs that require zdoom. I mean something like in BTSX and Batman Doom.

>>2247232
>I'm the first
How

I know Blaz's sword and such really is fun to use but people surely use the cannon at least once in awhile.

You should probably tone down the damage output on the Earthshaker.

For testing the three cannon subweapons I went with a horde of 30 Barons each.

The weapon that kills everything the fastest is POW Cluster by a very commanding lead(Meter efficiency and time to kill) which was surprising.
What was not surprising is that a horde of anything weaker than Barons will die much faster to the Earthshaker.

Also the Earthshaker and POW Earthshaker will both cause lots of infighting due to how Doom handles the pushing.

I'd rank the effectiveness and usefulness for UnPOW'd versions of these weapons as: Earthshaker >>>>>>> Cluster > Scatter
And POW'd versions as: Earthshaker > Cluster > Scatter

It is probably the utility that is keeping the Earthshaker on top so easily

>>2247247

You're the first giving me detailed feedback regarding the Blazter's subshots. The utility of the earthshaker is here to stay though.

I suppose I could ramp up the damage of the scattershot, and I feel the cluster missile is fine as is

>>2247246
not strictly megawads, but there's equinox (13 maps)
http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=11412
and class_e2 (9 maps)
http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=14090

>>2246480
>>2246482
It really makes me wish there was an option to filter map textures but not sprites.

>>2247251
>The utility of the earthshaker is here to stay though.
I was actually trying to think of ways to buff up the Scatter and Cluster shot rather than removing the Earthshaker's usefulness.

I feel it's better to buff weaker things than nerf what's good provided what's good isn't extremely dominant(And you're toning it down so there's no reason to get rid of the utility)

I think the Scattershot should be the powerhouse shot(And it kind of is when POW'd but only when POW'd) and the Cluster shot.. I'm not sure.

It's certainly really powerful when POW'd provided everything is clustered up but outside of that it doesn't seem to have much besides damage.

>>2247261

I was going to say the cluster missile has the advantage of being a long range subshot but honestly a charge shot can do the job just as well at the expense of no real ammo cost.

Maybe I should rethink the third subshot a little, the earthshaker obviously has retarded knockback, the scattershot is good as a "fuck that guy" weapon, so really it comes down the cluster missile, I could always swap it out with something different. So really I guess it comes down to:

What would be useful or really fun?

>>2247141
>Sitters electronic
I'm looking for doom 1 models like someone taking the sprites and making good models.

I'm getting bored of just sprites now need some 3d in my life.

>>2247297

To expand on these thoughts further, what about a third subshot that's pure utility of some type? If I go this route it'd mean Blaz has a simple 3 choices to pick from when it comes to subshots:

Scattershot = Raw damage
Earthshaker = damage + utility
??????? = pure utility

I just have no idea what the fuck said utility could be but I think this might be an interesting choice.

from out of boredom I started working on a very stupid enemy randomizer;
Basicly attack of recolours sort of thing, expect that the enemy randomizer works with the generic RPG colourcode for rarities;
Green - "Uncommon", slightly more powerful
Blue - "Rare" more powerful
Purple - "Epic" significantly more powerful
and then ofcourse orange "legendary", red "relic", and then two wildcards for black "edgelord" and white "rng hates me"

i dunno if this might be fun enough but ill plan to post a working barebone alpha once I get most of the enemies randomized for up to purple, then Ill start to polish them up so it wont look complete crap and work on making the last colour tiers.

Oughta be a real royal rainbow once im done

I've recently finished the Duke 3D and Shadow Warrior packs on Steam and I'm wondering what other classic FPS's have been "properly remade" for Steam and modern Windows? No DOSBOX stuff. I do have most of these games already on my computer with working modern clients, but I just like having stuff on Steam at this point.

>>2247352
Strife recently got an updated port on Steam, and apparently Powerslave/Exhumed is next.

so I just noticed a unique new problem stemming from GMOTA's item crash charges and the shield's old dash using arcane energy:

crash charges kinda pile the fuck up.

Man if it ain't one problem it's another, I think I'm onto something with backpacks actually giving more of a resource to work with, but I'm thinking maybe doing such a small number of shots like this is a bit of a roadblock.

If I go back to having item crashes consume just arcane energy, I think I might enforce like, a cooldown or some shit after firing one off. Though that'd remove the need to find expanders unless I can think of something it could boost, I don't really want to do anything like permanent raises to max MP though, I feel Blaz's mana pools are fine.

That being said I'm having fun with this shit and I hope you guys aren't tearing your hair out yet.

>>2247362

Well I feel like an idiot because a potential solution just came up for a few item crashes.

What if I make the shield and dagger crashes consume 1 charge, and as long as you hold the secondary fire button and you got mana to spare, you continue the attack? Meaning you'd constantly shit out daggers or constantly go fast with the shield.

Sorry I'm blogging/spitballing here but I got nobody else to bounce ideas off of right now and you guys are pretty fucking helpful, I mean I may got thin skin but I certainly always take your feedback into consideration, it's why the shield came back with a massive revamp.

Speaking of the shield I may have a fairly eloquent solution to defending against melee: what if the invisible shield actors that spawn in front of Blaz do a very small a_radiusthrust when they expire, meaning things would get gently nudged away from you at a melee range while the shield is up.

>>2247331
This actually sounds pretty neat. If you finish it, are you planning on adding weapons? I'm just saying that you probably shouldn't so it has more compatibility with other mods.

>>2247310

Ain't happenin'.

http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=700

Destruction Comes!

begins as an attempt to remake E1M4, but takes a turn for the hellish. fortunately in reaching the exit most of the more annoying parts (such as a pitch-dark maze) can be avoided.

there is an amusing attempt at an invisible staircase made of missing textures. the steps appear in mid-air as you approach. i thought it might be intentional, but the author blames idbsp.

>>2247373
>What if I make the shield and dagger crashes consume 1 charge, and as long as you hold the secondary fire button and you got mana to spare, you continue the attack?
This would make the Dagger the definitive Item Crash weapon.
It kind of is already since it's the only one that really hurts but even moreso than usual since you'd be able to extend it to say FUCK THAT CYBERDEMON and such.

The shield crash being holdable makes sense though.

I can't really think of a good way to make item crashes work well with the charges system we have right now since Item Crashes are not nearly powerful enough to warrant having such limited uses.

One TERRIBLE idea is to make it so you can charge your crashes and that powers up the effect X amount of times but takes more charges.

I'd trash the charges system or make it so Item Crashes are actually strong enough to warrant a limited charge system.

If you go with the 1 charge and hold the button for continued effect system then you really need to consider not only buffing lots of Item crashes but have prolonged effects for them too otherwise something like the proposed Dagger idea will win out for free with it's efficiency.

>>2247553 (me)
>in reaching the exit most of the more annoying parts can be avoided
in fact you can avoid more or less the entire map

So what wads are you guys playing?

>>2247578
I am playing GMOTA with popular level sets(Scythe, Scythe 2, AV, HR, etc.) to check for balance issues to hopefully help GMOTA guy.

I am also doing the same for Demonsteele.

>>2247578
Hell Revealed + samsara + samsara addons.
all of 'em rock.

>>2247593
>addons
rip

>>2247316
Health leech?

>>2247578
I'm finally finishing TNT: Evilution after putting it off for quite some time.

Does anyone here like pistol starts and should map packs accommodate it?

>>2246987
>render_screen_multiply
thanks

>>2247627
I think map packs should accomodate as many playstyles as reasonably possible, but I'm not a fan of playing that way personally

>>2247627

I would prefer if they balance their maps for all difficulties but heeeeyy, I also want EA to go bankrupt so bad so I kind of learned to not get what I always want.

>>2246761
yeah, 640x480 software mode
>>2247578
random shit from nineteen dickety dot
>>2247627
almost always, pistol start, no saves
skill setting to taste
>>2247632
if i did a multi map set i'd design and test each for pistol start because i like demos. but i'd sling in a few extra items for continuous players.
but so far all my maps have been singles and that is unlikely to change, since i do maybe one map every three years.

>>2247373
>I may have a fairly eloquent solution to defending against melee
I still think a temporary +100% protection from melee damage type is much better. Sounds easier and with zero implications too.

>>2247167
thats technically true, but voxels are extremely memory intensive, and the memory requirements skyrocket as they get bigger. A fully voxelized Cyberdemon at the normal resolution would take up something on the order of 15 megabytes (uncompressed). Doubling the resolution in every dimension would make that leap to 120 megabytes.

>>2247492

I have no plans to add weapons cause I kinda want it to be useable with weapon sets alone

>>2247578
Currently playing various maps with HD on, trying to see what kind of things I can get through.
So far the most impressive is probably Sunder's first map so far.

I really would like to test out the multiplayer and take on some tough maps together.
Like Afterlife 2 of Scythe 2, dunno.

>>2247578
I am finally manning up and playing with -fast. I am also going to curb down significantly on my save scumming habits.

The idea is to start with the vanilla WADs and then basically go up the PWAD timeline and see how well I fare as the difficulty increases.

This will make a man out of me.

>>2247331
That would be cool if you could do it Diablo style and have uniques randomly spawn with minion packs.

>>2247784
cool let us know how you get on. i did e1m1-2 yesterday on UV -fast. frankly it was annoying. i skipped the computer maze. now i have to pistol start e1m3 with those demons+spectres and i really don't feel like it