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Magus stole that castle from Norstein Bekkler, who was also a time displaced survivor of Zeal's collapse. That's the theory anyway.

>>2225540
>Norstein Bekkler
Who

>>2225672

The guy from the haunted house. Theory is he's also from Zeal.

>>2225703
What was the deal with him anyway? He was a floating head with hands. Where does the zeal speculation come in?

>>2225741
He's clearly not just a head with hands, he's a magician, and a powerful one.

>>2225741
>Where does the zeal speculation come in?

Kingdom of Zeal is part of your typical Age of Wonders/ Lost Utopia mythos. It's a convenient explanation for anything advanced or supernatural in CT.
>wait, but that doesn't make sense!
>Magic son, ancient Atlantis: we aint gotta explain shit!

Flea is a powerful magician actually, Slash is not a magician, he's a skilled swordfighter that knows a few tricks, Ozzie seems to be the weakest of the trio since he's not a strong fighter like Slash neither a powerful magician like Flea.

>>2225758
There's nothing there to suggest that.

So you're saying that Magus isn't evil while admitting that he was the reason that magicians could stand and kill many humans?

>>2225537
>>2225540
Okay, but how does that explain Ozzie , Slash, and Flea creating their own castle with monsters in it just afterwards? I think you underestimate how many monsters were roaming Guardia.

Azalea had controlled monsters with Lavos' rod, so I don't see how other beings couldn't do the same.

Magus did not steal any fucking castle from Norstein Bekkler, that's pure speculation. Magus was creating his own rudimentary Mammon Machine to bring forth Lavos. Yeah, he might have inadvertently caused a potential end of the Earth, but he ultimately wanted to get back to Schala. Ozzie, Slash, and Flea were pawns he was using. It makes more sense to assume that castle had belonged to Ozzie or some other demon lords during the middle ages. If you want to look further into it, there were other major demons such as the frog king, masamune, and Yarkka of all fucking guys.

Norstien Bekkler is a dumb game theory - he was just a bonus NPC that had no impact on the plot.

MAGUS = GUILE ALL ALONG BECAUSE HE WORE A MASK AND LOST HIS MEMORY

>>2225741

It could have been a form he was taking like Queen Zeal's.

>>2225937
You mean he's a crab?!?!?

>>2225961

The way he scuttles I can imagine.

>>2225768

Ozzie summons the giant skeleton on the bridge and encases himself in invincible ice, among other great magical tricks.

Also he's a bit of a cunt in the trio rematch and apparently his trousers are hella enchanted.

>>2226115
>Ozzie summons the giant skeleton on the bridge
Yeah, i'll give him that.

>and encases himself in invincible ice
I don't know if it's truly invincible, i don't think it could sustain a huge beam from Lavos.
Also he becomes imobile while inside it if i recall correctly. Of course, it's still a very neat trick and a powerful spell.

But i still rank him the lowest of the trio.

>>2226239

Ozzie seems like an assclown, but he is a general under Magus. also, after Magus is defeated by Lavos, he takes over and establishes a ruling house that continues to the present.

>>2225537
man his story rocked my 13 year old mind

>Typical JRPG
>oh cool there's time traveling
>This guy's the major asshole everyone keeps talking about in 600AD
>WHOAH this guy destroys the world!
>WHOOOOOOOOOOOAH HE WASN'T TRYING TO SUMMON LAVOS HE WANTED TO KILL IT
>WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAHHHH HE'S NOT EVEN FROM 600AD

Paired with his own theme and a catchphrase that fueled my edgelord fantasies, he was the coolest kid on the block

never liked vegita, i killed him off in most playthroughs

>>2227318
I'd compare Magus to Piccolo. Both were sort of evil, but became allies. Both wear capes. Both have pointy ears.

>>2227318

>>2227272
heh, nothin' personnel kid

>>2227360

I'd like to also point out that both have sharp teeth and both are pretty tall.

>Ozzie
>Slash
>Flea

I didn't know Chrono Trigger was another one of those games with reference to rock stars.

>>2227543
Only in the translation, they're named after condiments in Japanese

>>2227548
I suspected that and confirmed it after some research.
Just like the Koopalings in Mario Bros (they had no name originally) and the Mavericks in Megaman X5.

>>2227548
What's with Japan and food/cooking terms for character names?

>>2227568
Food is great. What's not to love about food?

>>2225537
Magus had such cool sprites.

Can you imagine how terrible the game would have looked if technology had been advanced enough for Toriyama's true designs to show? The little portraits already gave enough of a glimpse into that nightmare.

>>2227495
*unsheathes scythe*
the dark wind howls....

>>2227568
Well, I think Vinegar, Mayonnaise, and SoySauce were probably called that to reference certain other Toriyama created characters.

As for other artist/studios, I have no idea.

>>2227602

Yeah. All of his movements were so dynamic.

>>2227757
I think some music should accompany this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfCV1bVOiGc

Magus is truly an interesting and cool character but let's not forget he's a huge asshole, he murdered many people and turned Glenn intro a frog just because he felt like doing it.

His dream was to have his sister back and what did he do to achieve it?
Cause wars and bring death and destruction and shatter the dreams of others.

He suffered for losing someone important to him but he didn't think twice killing who was important to others like he did to Glenn and Cyrus.

He deserves punishment.

>>2228334

Poetic justice was met when he couldn't rescue his sister.

>>2228340
This
>...and the future refused to change for Magus.

>>2227658
That sounds typical from Toriyama naming characters

>>2227757
I really liked how he moved like that, it was like he was putting his all into his spells.

>>2228334
I'm not defending Magus, far from it, he is an asshole that should be punished most likely. But I just realized that the reason why he caused those wars and killed so many was probably from his upbringing Zeal. I mean think about it, pretty much everyone in 600AD is a descendant of the people that couldn't use magic in Zeal's time. He might not have even seen them as people. If this dumb idea is true he's an even bigger asshole than your post makes him out to be.

l o l

>>2228351
>>2228340
This

I think the game was genius in letting you choose his fate

Ultimately, he wasn't ever a good guy, he played a great anti hero that just shared your goals and was a valuable asset. We're talking about the son of Queen Zeal, after you learn about all the characters, it shouldn't be all that surprising that he was able to dominate an era

And don't forget that he did all he did so that he can destroy Lavos. Talk about choosing a lesser evil

>>2229829
What did he even do while he was part of the party? Do you think he talked to anyone about anything? He has a triple techs with Marle, Lucca, and Robo at least.

Did any of you guys play this on the DS? I'm playing it on Android right now and it has the extra dungeons/equipment that the DS version has. Trying to max out everyone's stats.

Fun fact: Magus's Fire 2, Ice 2 and Lightning2 are all more-powerful versions than the ones other party members have. They have a multiplier of 14 for the others (including Water 2) and a multiplier of 18 for Magus.

He's a more versatile party member than people give him credit for. Especially since no tripletech bar Lifeline is actually better than 3 separate actions or 1 and a dualtech after everyone's learned their tech lists.

>>2229865
He actually is the second best party member to have if you want to level up and do more damage. Crono obviously is the most over powered but you can get stars for every stat except accuracy for Magus.

>>2229865

this is accurate. Magus is perfect for some of the sidequests.

>>2229869
Robo is more overpowered than both actually. Are you not familiar with what the Crisis Arm does? His damage is unparalleled in normal attacks except by max level Ayla (and who the fuck is even still playing at level 99? what does anything matter at that point), he has one of the two full-party healing single techs in the game, and the better one (it literally makes him more desirable as a cleric than the dedicated healer character), and when it's time to magic shit, his elemental coverage is second to Magus's.

>>2229865
>>2229893
...meanwhile Lucca's tech list is Protect and 6 (SIX) fire nukes with little-to-no variation on when they should be used. She's like the magical version of a berserked ape with a club.

>>2229893
>>2229917
I'm actually trying to get to level 99 and max out each characters stats. Regardless of equipment and techs the best statistical party is Crono, Magus, and Marle(if you're playing the DS version).

>>2229834
>Do you think he talked to anyone about anything?
He doesn't even say goodbye in the ending. He literally just jumps in the timegate

If we're going to make up fanfiction, I'd agree with >>2227360 , he'd be Pre-Frieza Saga Piccolo, he's an ally, he won't whine and he'll follow what you do, but stoic all the time and goes off to be by himself meditating. There'd be an arc where he trains someone in magic and a joke episode where it's revealed he's scared of Robo since it's the first real magic he's seen, since as far as he knows, magic is just another force of nature to him like gravity is. Lucca teaches him about technology, he has some bonding and there's your backstory for, like, the ONE triple tech with him

Also lots of Frog banter
>Turn me back!
>No,
>One morning Frog is Glenn again
>As soon as he drinks water, back to Frog

>team talk
Oh boy here we go

>Not playing with Crono, Lucca, and Magus
>1995
I seriously hope you guys don't do this

>>2229926

if you just want to max out your chars and fight nu spekkio, there's really no reason to slowly grind the last ~30 levels. it makes more sense to use pro action replay on an emulator, unless you really want to fight through the black omen 100 times.

>>2229937
>Not playing with multiple different characters
Every character is very good and any party is good. It's all a matter of preference. If you're trying to max level and stats though there are certain characters better than others.

>>2229893

true, robo's only weakness is that he needs speed tabs.

>>2229938
I'm playing it on the Android. So far everyone is at level 60 and I am about to fight Lavos. It won't take too long. The extra dungeons added to the game give ridiculous amounts of experience and if you're strong enough you can kill Lavos at the very start of a new game plus which will immediately lead you to the extra dungeon. Passing the extra dungeon also majorly increases certain stats for Marle, Lucca, and Crono.

>>2229939
>thinking I'm going to be reasonable and not shoot banter

Marle shitter detected

>>2229852
I was but I forgot how much of a grind grinding is

I can't play RPGs anymore without some sort of turbo or exp cheat

>>2229947

I never got around to playing the DS version. with the extra dungeons it's probably feasible, but getting to level ** on the original is a grindfest.

>>2229949

crono/marle/frog is an underrated party. haste, double cure (cheap full party heal) plenty of dual techs, and arc impulse (one of the best triple techs). the main drawback is relying on luminaire/frog squash for decent damage to multiple targets. I used that party for fighting ocean palace lavos to get to devs room.

that reminds me, frog squash always bothered me. instead of a situational ultimate, frog should've had an ultimate water spell which was oddly missing from the game.

>>2229956
Yeah but I'm glad it was a physical attack. It's really annoying when you need to rely on Frog for magic. His water spells do so little damage and his healing really isn't all that great either unless you max him out with magic tabs.

>>2229956
>crono/marle/frog
I've played that, it works

For the reasons already mentioned, Magus was just more versatile for grinding and eventually end game

In case anyone cares or not here are the max stats for each character with the use of tabs but without the use of the extra dungeon in the DS version that can max out a few more stats for Crono, Lucca, and Marle.

Crono
Power **
Hit 37
Magic ** (Tabs)
Evade 90
Sm. **
M.Def **
Speed **

Marle
Power (useless stat)
Hit 37
Magic **
Evade 82
Stm. 74
M.Def **
Speed **

Lucca
Power 29
Hit 49
Magic **
Evade 76
Stm. 84
M.Def **
Speed **

Frog
Power **
Hit 39
Magic ** (tabs)
Evade 98
Stm. **
M.Def **
Speed **

Robo
Power **
Hit 48
Magic ** (tabs)
Evade 72
Stm **
M.Def **
Speed **

Ayla
Power **
Hit 80
Magic (useless stat)
Evade **
Stm **
M.Def **
Speed **

Magus
Power **
Hit 88
Magic **
Evade **
Stm **
M.Def **
Speed **

(the extra dungeon in the DS can max out Crono's Hit, Marle's hit/stamina, and Lucca's stamina)

>>2229996
Oh power is also a useless stat for Lucca. It does not affect damage at all.

>>2229939
Every character can be used to complete the game and even have a pretty easy time of it. That doesn't mean they are equal.

- Lucca does one thing. She is the best at fire magic and can contribute nothing else, so if it's not what's needed at the moment, she's the only character who can just be dead weight with nothing to do. But maybe you don't care, she can be the best artillery thing, right? Well, not so fast. She's massively outperformed by Chrono as a magic nuker, still outperformed by Magus except in a magic-tab-fuelled stat-maxing pissing contest, and rivalled closely by Robo and Ayla in raw potential. She can still be a 3rd wheel to Crono and Magus in a magic-focused party at least, but they fucking embarrass her with their flexibility and power so it's far from showing off her strengths.
- Frog is a physical specialist who is the 4th-best at it, and is dogshit at the other things he does. His only truly competitive feature is Frog Squash.
- Marle is just a fucking tragedy. She is all-in on healing, is worse at it than Robo due to not having multi-target without wasting someone else's turn, and the healer role was fake to begin with because healing items are strong and easily hoarded in CT, which everyone can use. Haste is outdone by Haste Helms which don't have any hat slot competition until Master's Crown in the DS game (gives status immunity + 25% damage bonus). If you have TWO Master's Crowns (nontrivial outside of NG+), and we pretend casting Haste for two turns was free, the other two characters combined are performing at 250% effectiveness total thanks to this combo! All she has to do to justify her inclusion is therefore just 50% of her teamslot-competitors' usefulness. WELL, SHIT. Her techs are less than half as powerful as other characters' second-highest power attacks, let alone their actual big guns! She has nothing special left beyond that except Lifeline, a triple tech that forces a certain party combination.

>>2229996
shiiiiiiiit Ayla and Magus are ridiculous

Crono, Ayla, and Magus team for future games confirmed

>>2230005
Also note that the only way the characters can get their evade that high is through the use of the third eye accessory which doubles evade and there are exactly 3 in the game. Enough for one party. These stats are the best possible for each character with the use of tabs and equipment for the SNES/PS version.

>>2230001

in defense of marle, she has the most dual/triple techs after chrono. also, haste was useful in my ocean palace lavos fights because I used vigil hats. and as you said, there's lifeline.
she's still the weakest link, though.

>>2229865
>Magus had the strongest ice/water type tech all along

My life is a lie.

I've still never not killed him. I know it's better not to but it's still the right thing to do God dammit.

>>2230096
>taking revenge for a loser who didn't even have a unique sprite even in death

>>2228334
>Deserves Punishment
He was flung into 600 A.D. and raised by Mystics.
To him he wasn't killing "Good Human beings", he was killing the enemies of the people who raised him.

>>2230394

not only that, but his childhood in Zeal taught him to look down on non magic users. like the earthbound, and later on, guardia.

>>2229996
Want to know something, everyone says ayla doesn't have magic, even spekkio , but put her in the damn center of the party and do a
TAIL SPIN TECH ATTACK!
BOOM WIND DAMAGE TO SPEKKIO!

>>2230406

it does non elemental, non physical damage. there's only a few attacks that do that, like tail spin and poyozo dance.

>>2225767
Nanomachines, son

>>2230017

Actually, his mother Queen Zeal has the most powerful water tecn. The name of it is Star Burst.

>>2229930
>Also lots of Frog banter
>>Turn me back!
>>No,
>>One morning Frog is Glenn again
>>As soon as he drinks water, back to Frog

>Crono Friends

>>2229968
It's all I've ever played and CT is the only JRPG I finished more than twice.

>>2231339
>Not mixing it up on your second playthrough
You must be the guy who suggests the same restaurant every time you go out.

>>2229996
>that Magus accuracy
Damn, nigga's the Babe Ruth of Zeal.

>>2230001
A funny thing is that these weak characters actually get really good combination techs.

The C+R+M tech Lifeline is the ONLY triple tech that is more useful than individual action after everyone's learned their highest level techs, and is mandatory in a LLG.

Lucca + Frog have the only combo tech that uses both their ultimate attacks (and is potentially the strongest MT attack in the game).

Lucca + Marle's techs are as one-dimensional as Lucca herself (they all do the same thing), but they allow a Fire user and a Water user to cover the Shadow element together and Antipode 3 is basically the best Shadow attack in CT, being 1.25 times as powerful as Flare + Ice 2 and only using 2 people unlike DarkEternal or Omega Flare. The gain over using Flare by itself almost makes it like Marle had an ultimate attack to use herself!

Then there's the powerful combination curative techs that Marle and Frog have with each other as well as with Ayla and Robo, and there's the Twin Charm for easy stealing, too. They even have a unique triple tech between the three of them!

>>2231419
Yeah or I could hit every weakness with Magus, clean up out anrything else with Crono's physical and magical supremacy, and uzzi punch Lavos in the dick for a million damage. Independently, without limiting each other's actions.

To get a more interesting challenge out of jrpgs i've played before like Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy and the Breath of Fire series i set some rules for myself when i replay them.

Never grind for xp, money or items, only fight enemies as they come, drop all mega elixirs or whatever items that cure the whole party, never use items that boost stats or overpowered weapons and spells like:
The character unique ultimate weapons, triple techs, Dark Matter, Black Hole, Luminaire(CT);
The character unique abilities, magicite, Ultima, Meteor, Ragnarok, Atma Sword(FF VI);
CureX, IceX, FireX, BoltX, NovaX and Comet, any transformation spell that fuses the characters, Kaiser Dragon(BoF I, II and III).

The only exceptions are of course, when it's required for you to use a certain item or ability to progress in the game, then i'll do it only once and never again.

It's great to do this because the game becomes more interesting, challenging, strategic, character roles(SPECIALLY THE HEALER) feel more solid and important since you have to actually think out the ideal parties for certain dungeons/bosses instead of throwing whoever in the party and nuking everything with bullshit spells and feels MUCH more rewarding to complete quests and defeat bosses the basic, strategic way.

>>2231449
CT required strategy sometimes, without your bullshit rules. Magus had to be hit with a certain element, some monster had to be hit right after he used some tornado tech or whatever, i don't remember. But the battles weren't exactly "press A to win"

So your post just sounds like autism. Not using Cid in FFT for example, that i would understand.

>>2231489
>CT required strategy sometimes, without your bullshit rules Magus had to be hit with a certain element, some monster had to be hit right after he used some tornado tech or whatever
Magus and Masamune are exceptions, not the rule, specially in a long game with MANY bosses.

>But the battles weren't exactly "press A to win"
I never said the battles were "press A to win" in my post, i said the game becomes more challenging and interesting TO ME when I do those things.

>So your post just sounds like autism
I don't see why, i just talked about what i do to improve the difficult factor of jrpgs after i've beaten them once playing the normal way.

You should be able to understand these things, but i'm not surprised that you do not. Someone who makes stupid assumptions out of simple statements like that and throw around random insults like "autism" trying to discredit someone you disagree with must not be a very intelligent person anyway. So i don't really expect much of you.

>>2231449
>never use items that boost stats or overpowered weapons and spells
That I do just out of neglect and habit.

I just forget about the tabs when I pick them up, weapons no I use, but spells are entirely situational unless they're just one big nuke which has their place outside of nuking poor random enemies

Everything else is just being masochistic. Drop all party heals? Have fun with your game overs, because that future is not changing anytime soon

>>2231820
If it cures on a reasonable amount i don't mind using them, but whatever items that heal the whole party to maximum health and cures all negative status i will not use it.

I cringe hard at the thought of using a mega elixir or some shit like that

>>2231569
>Magus and Masamune are exceptions, not the rule, specially in a long game with MANY bosses.

Sorry, I have to correct you: lots of bosses had strategy to them, even Lavos.
- the first boss from 65mil BC (have to hit it with lightning)
- the boss from the Sunken Desert (have to hit it with water or ice)
- Dragon Tank
- Mother Brain
- Ozzie
- Lavos Spawn
- Queen Zeal

There were plenty of enemies you couldn't simply strong-arm as well [those masked guys in the Prison? had to wait for them to move their shield]. Then there were optional strategies, such as using Lightning on the dinosaurs to stun them.

If you want to create your own challenges, that's fine, but you can't say there's only a few bosses that require strategy. Maybe the strategy isn't 100% mandatory, but assuming you're just doing a normal playthrough of the game, these strategies will come into play. If you don't follow them, you're going to end up facing some rough consequences.

>>2231871
Sure, i'll give you that and admit that a good amount of enemies and bosses alike have a bit of strategy to them.

Still, knowing that you have to hit "Lava Man" with ice or that you have to wait for a monster to turn his back on you/lower his shield to hit him is as much of "strategy" as hitting the brakes to do tighter turns on racing games is.
And when i talked about strategy originally, i was thinking more about team composition, i was not really thinking about combat, but i'll agree with you anyway, you are correct regardless of what i was thinking about.

I don't even know how you guys killed Magus

I remember using a save state just before to see how the battle will be like for fun and no matter how many times I've tried, he would curb stomp my Frog

>>2231871

There's also using Wind Slash on Masamune.

>>2231915

I killed him once with Frog. I finished him with Frog Squash. Quite honestly it was close.

>>2231915

if Frog's not in your party it's 3 on 1, and Magus doesn't stand a chance.

otherwise, frog vs. magus 1 on 1 is difficult.

>>2231946
Eh, depends, he's pretty tough if you haven't grinded enough, his spells are more powerful versions of the ones your characters have and if i recall correctly he also hits hard with the scytche.

I'm talking as someone playing for the first time, of course none of us who already finished the game many times would have any trouble with him.

Son of Sun and the golems greatly benefit from party composition in particular.

>>2227602

>>2227360
And both carried the title of "demon king" (Maoh).

>>2232605
What fourteen year old boy doesn't dream of male pattern baldness?

>>2232760
What's not to love about enormous widow's peaks?

>>2227602
>Can you imagine how terrible the game would have looked if technology had been advanced enough for Toriyama's true designs to show?
Dear bandwagon hopper, please allow me to explain to you why you're fucking retarded as sin.

>>2227602

>>2227602
Feeling stupid yet?

>>2232773
>>2232774
>>2232775

So good that makes me hope in the future we will able to talk about 6th generation.

>>2232776
In the future, we will. Maybe after many of us are long dead.

>>2232774
That one book where all the 4 bunny girls fuck the hero was awesome.

>>2227602
toriyama is awesome, there is a whole reason the entire country loves his designs. What do weebs hate on his shit? Cause its "entry level" well your fucking average japanese person loves it so smarten the fuck up you contrarian faggot.

>>2232775
Don't really like the style or the game, but DQ8 really was a great example of skilled low poly modeling.

>>2232813
>entire country

That's like saying the entire country of America loves Spongebob. In reality it's a small fraction of the population of both countries that gives a shit about cartoons.

Are you really that surprised that people from different countries would have different preferences in artistic style, anyways?

>bringing Magus and Crono as the only companions during side stories

Atropos tells him that Robo's supposed to destroy all humanity, all he says is "I see."

>>2232886

Nice. I didn't have Magus in my party for that. But I did do those side quests on the DS version with Magus. I remember one where you had to get this Nu some food, I had Magus be the lead in the party. When I had to start my mission and talk to the Nu, Magus asks what he wanted by saying "speak."

>>2232886
>"I see."
Fuck.

>>2232823

Toriyama is famous for ads in japan too, and japanese people really love his ads.

>>2228334
While his methods are questionable, he was trying to kill Lavos.

Also, as many others already said, the Mystics raised him. Not the humans, who would have probably killed him anyway.

>>2233107
>>2232886
Magus has no time for this bs he needs to find Schala

>>2234736
Saved.

>>2225782

Yes there is? He creates a magical replica doll of a person that's anatomically correct enough to fool the fabric of time when placed where the original was. On the fly. Don't tell me he just has dolls of absolutely everyone in the Kingdom lying around.

>>2234736
I want to fuck you beautiful tranny ass and suck your shemale dick!

>>2228334
>Magus is truly an interesting and cool character but let's not forget he's a huge asshole, he murdered many people and turned Glenn intro a frog just because he felt like doing it.
>His dream was to have his sister back and what did he do to achieve it?
>Cause wars and bring death and destruction and shatter the dreams of others.
>He suffered for losing someone important to him but he didn't think twice killing who was important to others like he did to Glenn and Cyrus.
>He deserves punishment.

Maybe he thinks people of this time are illusion and shouldn't exist. Maybe he thinks he can still save is era by defeating lavos in 600 AD.

Otherwise if i'm wrong you are right he is an asshole. But don't forget this character is like a fusion between Vegita & Piccolo. Those 2 characters are asshole too in the begining and become more friendly at the end of the story... it's a Toriyama's thing.

>>2236406
Toriyama didn't write the Zeal level, Kato did.

>>2235794

>>2236406

Magus doesn't become nicer, he just becomes cooperative.

The whole summoning Lavos to kill him was just revenge. When he was able to time travel he finally found a way to save his sister only for him to realize that nothing he can do can save her. That is to say that he does turn out to be Gil in Chrono Cross and he did participate in rescuing her, but never reuniting with her. Even then he's not himself anymore.

>>2236545
Exactly, Magus will never be anybody's friend, when he summons Lavos in 600AD he is shocked at the power of Lavos after trying to hurt him with a staff. At that point he realized he could never beat Lavos by himself, thus he joins the party in hopes he can get his revenge with the team.
He does not join the party because he became nice, he is not friends with anybody in the party, maybe he respects Chrono and Frog because of their strenght but that's it. He joined the gang because they have something in common, they want to destroy Lavos.

The royal family of Zeal had quite a shitty destiny, Queen Zeal was duped and mind controlled by Lavos, she became his toy and that led to her death, Schala lost her family forever and disappeared, Janus lost his sister and mother forever, was sent to another era and raised the mystics, tried to get his revenge and realized he could not do a thing by himself, completely powerless and weak against the monster that killed his family, destroyed his kingdom and caused so much suffering.

Also, now that i mentioned the royal family, who is the husband of Queen Zeal and father of Schala and Janus?

He was evil, he just wasn't a giant space parasite. Having something more evil doesn't excuse other evil behavior.

>>2237075
we don't know, but the things I would do to Zeal

>>2237093
She's a total MILF.

I wonder fiercely penetrate her in the pussy, ass and suck her tits every night in the royal rooms if i were King Zeal.

>>2237112
>I wonder
i WOULD***

>>2237075
Sweet pic, I feel nerdy still instantly recognizing a snes rpg character

What happens if you beat the two golems in your first fight against them (the one you're supposed to lose?)

I've never been able to beat them with a first playthrough(tried the fight alot), but don't have enough interest to do a newgame+ to see.

>Also, now that i mentioned the royal family, who is the husband of Queen Zeal and father of Schala and Janus?

I'm guessing it was some aristocrat as there isn't any neighboring kingdoms for them to marry a prince off to her.

I'm more wondering if the neighboring tribe to Ayla's were the ancestors to the Enlightened.

>>2237160
You still end up getting trapped in that spell Dalton throws at you.

>>2237182

Also a reply to: >>2237075.

>>2235794
>>2237112

Are you two the same person?

>>2237160
Dalton shows up and goes "Grr!" and throws the imprisoning spell at you anyway. Hardly anything changes - and I believe it's possible to beat the golem on the first playthrough without going out of your way to grind, as well.

>>2237506

You need those fire absorbing shirts. The red shirts. But the golem has another tech that it does that isn't fire based if I'm not mistaken.

>>2237501
No.

>>2237820
Okay. Just checking.

>>2237710
On the first playthrough, you can have 2 absorbing armors, and have one character use that elemental magic against the Golem so it'll only fight with that element. Then you just have to keep the third person alive with healing techs/items. Ayla can Charm it, but it'll retaliate with an Iron Ball/HP to 1/2 attack. It'll end the fight with the "Blurp (Copying Dalton)" Tech.

>>2237904
Meant to say, two absorbing armors of the same element. It depends on your personal preference whether you want the red ones or not, but those come from Guardia Castle in 600 and 1000 AD, and I never visited the Castle in 1000 AD between Crono's Trial and the King's Trial.

I don't understand. What would happen if the party never fought Magus in 600 AD? He would complete the summoning ritual, be killed by Lavos, and Lavos would have awakened and destroyed the world right then. How is the world just fine in 1000 AD? Would Magus never have actually completed the ritual if the party never fought him for some reason? Or would Lavos just go back to napping for another 1400 years after killing him?

>>2237506
>>2237710
>>2237904
The first physical attack probably kills someone, but you can revive them and put the golem on fire mode forever, which seems to be its weakest element. If you have Frog or Robo to mass heal, and Crono and Lucca to Fire Sword it, it's pretty easy as long as you can survive the Burp

>>2238168
>Or would Lavos just go back to napping for another 1400 years after killing him?

Presumably, since the Magus statue in Medina village was replaced by Ozzie after you interrupted his ritual. If Frog wasn't there to be the hero and Magus' invasion failed anyway, that would explain why.

>>2227602
Toriyama is great ass face

>>2238196
Early Toriyama was best Toriyama. I especially loved how the monsters look in his old work.

>>2238196
That top middle picture is from the 90's Dragon Ball movie that uses the GT artsyle. What a self-defeating fuckup, the guy who made the image brings shame to his house.

>>2238505

All the ones on the top are the '90s renditions of his earlier works.

>>2232773
>>2232774
>>2232775
Toriyama's style was much worse at the time of Chrono Trigger you blithering retard. He gradually shifted away from samefaced raging forehead bulge style.

>>2238173

the golem's shadow attack is also weak iirc.

>>2239832
It's tougher to manage because your options for that are either Robo or Lucca + Marle (can't have both) and they're the three slowest characters. Lucca's speed is boosted by her special equipment and resists fire with it, so Fire's the best choice.

>>2238196
>Bottom middle image, literally all of the faces exactly the same

I love Toriyama's earlier work but the newer stuff is awful.

>>2227360
The original artwork for Magus looks far more like piccolo then vegeta.

The vegeta face thing was a result of the animations from the PS1 release of the game.

>My theory has always been if Piccolo and Vegeta ever fused Magus would be the result, gloved cape wearing pointy eared asshole with great power to job.

>>2227958
that whole lead in, that fucking demonic statue and runed floor, those fires.

Fuck that was a balling battle theme and set piece back in the day.

>>2230005
>not using Chrono/Magus/Lucca team.

>Not dropping GLORIOUS 20 MP AOE NUKE ON EVERYTHING YOU COME CROSS UNTIL IT STOPS MOVING.

Here, I made this shit ages ago. I don't know where or for whom. This describes pretty clearly why some characters are less useful than others.

>>2240035
Fucking Frog, I used to bring him everywhere when I was too young to understand how stats and usefulness and strategy worked. I never realized how hard I was making things for myself.

>>2240043
Not hard at all? He can still consistently be useful even if others were better at his jobs.

And you seem to be implying you can ever be too old to pick style over power. Come on man.

>>2240035
Robo is a high performance robot. In a war between 1999 earth dwellers and Zeal, it could be close considering those robots.

Then again if they had an army of jacked up Robos up agains Lavos, the future would be much different.

>>2240070
The ones who didn't learn the power of friendship and shit were probably more like Atropos

>>2240076
But would they be enough to defeat Zeal?

If they outnumber them, maybe. But they have higher level wizards.

>>2240078
They weren't sent on a powerlevelling journey through time though.

>>2240083

This is a hypothetical between two nations of different times.

Guardia of 1999 vs. the Kingdom of Zeal.

Robots vs. the Enlightened.

Well, there would be soldiers, but they'd be like fodder to the wizards.

People seem to forget that they were guided (or rather, manipulated) by the planet to destroy Lavos.

>>2240087
The campfire scene was referring to the player! Not the planet.

>>2240092

Actually. They do kind of drop hints. Like saying the warp holes are memories of the entity (aka the planet).

>>2240092
According to Woolsey.

The jap version states the planet was the so called "entity" that was creating the timegates.

>>2240095
I thought the gates were just left by Lavos's consciousness as it went through time observing all the big events of the planet, gathering whatever genetic resources to produce the superbeing in the core. With the characters just exploiting these to go on the quest to defeat it.

>>2240106

Again that was Woolsey's interpretation.

>>2240112
Well which is it, was Woolsey saying >>2240098 or was he saying >>2240106

>>2240106
>>2240106

I thought at first that certain ones were due to time dilation. Like Lavo's impact was so powerful it ripped open a hole in spacetime. But, seeing as they imply that the planet is alive (some guy in Zeal mentions this in the DS version, I don't remember if in the original it was mentioned).

Also, they I made it sound like they said that they are it's memories, they were just speculating there. But, you get the point.

>>2240117
He was saying >>2240106.

>>2240098 was a response to >>2240092 in that because of Woolsey's translation the planet was changed to the entity.

>>2238196
>90s
>muscles
well yea
that was a 90s thing

>>2240121
Huhm. Yeah, I was always pretty clear the planet was causing the time gates.

I played NA SNES original, a rom of it, DS, and also played Crono Cross

>>2239853
What I hate about the guy is how he makes the eyes ALWAYS centered.
I mean, if someone wants to look at the left he only has to move the right pupil because the other is already in place, for fuck sake. Eyes don't work like that.

>>2240035
Hey, Frog doesn't suck at everything! H-He's the fourth-best at melee attacks!

>>2227272
I remember renting this game as a kid and getting really excited as they escaped from the dungeon in the begining of the game, thinking this would be a bonnie and clyde style fugitive adventure through time.

Then I got stuck in that barren wasteland where everyone was slowly starving to death, and I found the Day of lavos video.

I have never had a great sense of "Holy shit, I have to do something about this" from an RPG.

>>2240419
>greater

>>2238196
I know muscles are not a thing now, but common what the fuck with the girly arms of the new drawings, that monk arms man hahahaha!

http://thegamedesignforum.com/features/reverse_design_CT_1.html

Some interesting reading for you folks. I never really thought too deeply on how the two halves of CT contrast against each other so deeply, and how Zeal was basically the turning point for that.

Also it has some great data on how CT handles EXP and Levels. I'm glad my suspicion was right that CT pretty much showers you with levels and Tech Points when you get to Zeal.

>>2240087

It reminds me of something I read on chronocompendium. It was about how CT is an allegory of how Cronus was tasked by Gaia to defeat Uranus.

I don't get how "Gaia" is spelled incorrectly when it is spelled that way.

>>2240446
>I don't get how "Gaia" is spelled incorrectly when it is spelled that way.

I guess it's too esoteric for the spellchecker to care.

>>2232886
>>2234654

>Piloting the Epoch

"Forward."

>But the future refused to change

>>2240381
If you like a character there's still always a way to best use the character, in a way that someone else doesn't do better. In Frog's case, it's the desperation attack Frog Squash and the two combo techs it can be part of. Frog Flare and Grand Dream are the strongest MT techs in the game in exceptional circumstances.

It's hard to measure because there are so many dual techs in the game, but I do think Frog has above-average ones overall! Frog Flare is already mentioned, but Drop Kick is yet another dual tech he's part of that involves someone's ultimate attack (and his Leap Slash component gets multiplied by 1.5x, so it's not just Ayla dragging him along for that combo), and while Double Cure/Cure Wave with Marle or Robo eats two people's turns (they are the same tech), it does do a good job of getting the party back to full. And Slurp Kiss restores the hit points AND STATUS of the whole party, which is great shit and actually turn-efficient unlike most healing dual techs.

Frog can pull his weight in a not-outclassed way, you just have to look for ways to facilitate it.

>>2240469
Haven't you heard of a causal time loop?

>>2240478

There are optimal choices but all party compositions in Chrono Trigger are viable. Besides by the end of the game the balance is tilted heavily in the player's favor. By the time you can use everyone, you CAN in fact use everyone. Pick your favorite characters and go.

>>2240469
>>2240479
Don't talk about causality in a Chrono Trigger thread. The storywriters used more than one set of time travel rules and they contradict each other. It's like an action movie, not something meant to hold up to close scrutiny.

>>2240487

The only time travel rule I can observe in Chrono Trigger is, "No paradoxes ever." basically giving time travelers complete freedom in changing shit. You can absolutely erase your own or an item's past with no consequence whatsoever.

Except for Marle that one time, but I like to pretend that was because you haven't reached the End of Time yet and that's where you become immune.

>>2240469
>Zeal is still obliterated, but at least the Black Omen exists...?

I was always confused by this, too. It's noticeable and it even casts a shadow on Melchior's house.

The only thing different that happened in Zeal from your actions in time was having Magus appear there as the Prophet. That shouldn't have brought about the ability of the Ocean Palace to become the Black Omen.

But, it's purpose is to serve as a final dungeon before facing Lavos.

>>2240491
Their are several theories why Marle disappeared other than the grandfather paradox.

One is that the planet sent her to the End of Time for safe keeping. Another is that she WAS erased from the timestream and went to the Darkness Beyond Time.

>>2240497
It was stated in the game that it transcends time itself. It was always there, you just couldn't see it, kind of like the Elder God from legacy of Kain.

>>2240497

Without the party there, Schala probably warped herself and her mother out. The Black Omen is pretty much Queen Zeal's dream made reality, it's not going to come about without her there.

>>2240503

So, your showing up in Zeal suddenly allowed for everyone to see it?

Also, the purpose of it is odd, too. It's just Queen Zeal and a bunch of monsters.

>>2240513

It's weird that her dream went from a castle under the sea where it's closer to Lavos to siphon it's energy to a castle in the sky.

>>2240517
There's a theory that it's actually a spaceship.

>>2240517

Queen Zeal already had a castle in the sky. She just wanted a bigger, more Lavos powered one. From what I remember of the game though, she wanted to be immortal and have Zeal rule the world forever. Well, she became immortal but she really didn't end up doing much of anything.

I guess she's just a shut-in at heart.

This makes the Party wrecking it, stealing her shit and killing her (Three times!) pretty fucking funny though. There really wasn't any reason to aside from revenge.

>>2240521

Yeah, that scene was awesome. I can definitely see it being a space ship.

But, it doesn't go anywhere. It just floats there.

When I first saw it, I thought that the rest of the rest of the timeline was fucked after that because Zeal uses that fortress to take over the world. Then you find out she doesn't do anything with it. Kind of takes the piss out of it when it firsts appears and everyone was all like "Oh, shit."

In retrospect I can see it make sense in the way that she had ruled over a floating kingdom the whole time without interest in the world below, and that not changing after acquiring a giant floating fortress.

>>2240528

Yeah. But a consolation was a direct access to Lavos' lair.

Why would Magus summon Lavos in the middle ages when the Black Omen was in his time?

>>2240531

He couldn't see it or it didn't exist yet.

>>2240534
The war in the middle ages and the whole Magus battle was still a thing that technically happened even after the Black Omen was added to the timeline. The Ozzie sidequest (which is only available after you get the flying Epoch) confirms that all that shit didn't unhappen.

And Magus can fly. And apparently thought he COULD take on Lavos.

>>2240554
Maybe he couldn't figure out how to open the door.

Did Magus want to fuck his sister?

>>2240572
He has Schala's amulet and even joins the party with it equipped.

>>2240554

Did he know that going to it would lead him to Lavos? Even if he did, he'd have to fight his way through it to get to where you end up fighting Lavos. It appears more practical to just summon it. But, it's odd that it took him as long as it did for him to summon it. It appears he was just trying to become more powerful and resourceful to eventually summon and destroy Lavos.

>>2240573
No, you can love someone without it being sexual, especially a sibling.

>>2240578
That's a different item, it is not her dreamstone pendant.

>>2240578
>left
Magus' amulet

>right
Schala's pendant

Two different items.

>>2238196
Those monk arms hahahahaha!

>>2240035
So basically, the Chrono Trigger tiers are:

>Silver Skeeter Tier
Robo
>Chernobyl Tier
Crono
>Cool Kids Tier
Ayla, Magus
>Nerd Tier
Frog, Marle
>Sits Alone at Lunch Tier
Lucca

>>2240035

I think Lucca should've had a temper spell to make physical attacks stronger. that would've made her much more balanced imo.

>>2240521
It IS a spaceship, that screenshot clearly proves it.
Wasted potential to make the game even more memorable.

I think it can travel in time too. It makes no sense for it not to.

>>2240820

in fact, I just thought of how to make marle better - replace one of her techs with ice-3. life2, ice3, and haste would be downright useful.

>>2240035
but that's wrong, Marle has the strongest healing spell, Cure 2 and she has Revive 2 which none of the other get but aside that I agree she is completely useless. In the DS extra, when you fight her clone, she's the only one to resist enough the ice damage from the Marle's clone

During most of the game Marle isnt too useful. Sure she has weak physical attacks, weak magic attacks, and no techt to heal all members but if you pair her with another character she becomes very useful. Frog and Marle had a double tech that fully healed the whole party. Pair that with her arise spell and she is very useful. Also if you're playing the DS version and you max out each characters stats the strongest statistical party is Marle, Magus, and Crono.

>>2240087
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1A0oG9r6jA#t=182

I was watching this to comment on the black omen thing but when I was watching this part with the chrono trigger, it made me realize it was the game

>pure potential
>by unleashing a specific course of events, it can change time
>equal to the effort of your search

get it
the game is called chrono trigger
by activating events you make things happen

>>2240469
I thought that was the point
You play a part in all the history but you do it in a way that happens anyways because that's how time works

Like the Reptites, they went extinct anyways

All of this is because of Lavos and then you get that message when you lose to him

Just started a new game+. Lavos is a little bitch at this point

>>2241735
>90% critical hit rate
What the fuck

>>2241737
>implying Crono isn't basically a one man army

>>2241738
Every jrpg character becomes a one-man-army at some point of the game.

>>2240469

I think what this highlights is more how hard it is to change the future, rather than the future being completely immutable... For example, defeating Magus doesn't quite change "nothing." It means he can join your party as he doesn't die at the hands of whoever killed him the first time.

If the course of history is created and shifted more through the minor actions of lots of people than through major actions of a small number of people, it makes sense that the things Chrono and crew do have mostly minor effects, by and large. Even killing Lavos can have a "minor" effect given that if you turn everyone into dinosaurs the way society evolves still looks to be roughly the same.

>>2241737
that's his new overpowered katana, even more OP than the Rainbow sword in the original

>>2241861
Theres a couple of things that compound off of each other though.

>Melchior is imprisoned on Mt. Woe.
>Rescued by Chrono and the Gang in 12,000 BC
>Winds up in Guardia in 1000AD, presumably with all his memories
>Recognizes Schalas pendant, but not Crono
>Fixes the Masamune, which he himself built in 12,000 BC as the Red Knife, into the Masamune

>he never indicates any of this
>either he knows it'll effect the time stream (ala Doc. Brown in Back to the Future)
>or he just does not give a single fuck.

>>2241270
Healing is easy to come by, and multitarget healing is far more useful than even Cure2 (which Frog also gets). Those don't get Marle her utility points, it's Life2, Lifeline and Haste that do.

>>2242063
and Antipod 3

>>2241939

Those events for him didn't transpire yet for him in that wau. Presumably, he may had been originally rescued by the other two sages so that he would end up being sent to 1000AD by when he and the other sages confronted Queen Zeal.

Even if it were the Chrono and the others, I think it's more likely the former or he just didn't remember.

>>2242063
well Marle's Cure 2 fully restore an ally, Frog' Cure 2 doesn't and only heal about 750 HP when you are like in the lv50's, sure her heal is a single target but even just her cure 1 was good enough mid game. Robo's mutli target healing is weak.

>>2241292
>but if you pair her with another character she becomes very useful. Frog and Marle had a double tech that fully healed the whole party.
A heal that takes up two characters' turns isn't a good heal spell. Also, Cure Wave is identical in formula to Double Cure (it's one participant's Cure 2 cast being spread to the whole party, nothing added to it), and Frog and Robo BOTH have innate multitarget heals to use on their own, making them significantly better healers. Lapises also enable any other characters to help heal with only one person's turn, and Ayla's steals can get you tons of Megaelixirs, which blow all of these out of the water.
>Also if you're playing the DS version and you max out each characters stats the strongest statistical party is Marle, Magus, and Crono.
Just completely wrong. Are you thinking that 2 Master's Crown characters + Marle is more powerful than 3 Haste Helm (or Angel Tiara) characters? Because (pretending it takes no time to set up Haste) Marle's damage still needs to match about 50% of the remaining teamslot's offensive output, and she doesn't. Her strongest attack has a multiplier of 14 and compared to stuff like Flare's 42, Shock's 40, Area Bomb's 30, Tail Spin's 40, Triple Kick's, Uzzi Punch's easy 7,000+ damage, etc., it doesn't measure up in potential. The only character who isn't better off doing something other than participating in a dualtech with her is Lucca, who isn't even in your party. Besides, that chart is obviously a measure of usefulness in an actual game where losing is theoretically possible, not a max-statted museum playthrough where you can't lose no matter how poor your choices.

I once got beat up in middle school for defending Marle. This thread triggers embarrassing memories.

>>2241737
It goes to waste because Confuse is way better than regular attacks. Crono's spells are crazy good.

>>2241939
Melchior just has alzheimer's.

>>2242098
I was just talking stat wise. Marle is so weak because her accuracy is low the whole game and accuracy determines damage for Lucca and Marle. If you take all the characters and max out every stat as far as you can Marle can go farther than most and thats only because of the dimensional vortex. With Marle its possible to max out every stat except evasion which cant be said for most party members.

>>2242124

I didn't even know anyone else in middle school who had it. Except for one friend that wasn't in my classes, but a neighbor who's parents were friends of my mother.

>>2242132
Basically I know Marle is less useful than most characters but if you are wanting to max stats out you can make her one of th best party members. Im trying to max her stats out now. Her accuracy isnt even at 50 yet and she is dealing over 600 damage.

>>2242124
>>2242134

Also, I got into a tiff with my sister when she sent my party to 1999 and denied doing it.

Fucking sister.

>>2242124
>This thread triggers
Well it is called Chrono Trigger :^)

>>2240035

The most important variable for choosing your party isn't there.

Who has the coolest looking techs overall?

I always rock Crono/Frog/Magus.

Access to every element and XStrike/Swordstream/Spire is just so good.

Did anybody find Lavos disappointingly easy? I know you're supposed to be able to fight him whenever but if you do some side quests and go through the Black Omen once Lavos is easy as fuck. I just played FFV and Exdeath was 10 times harder

>>2242394

Yeah, he is pretty easy. Especially when you figure out the right pod is what to aim for.

>>2242394

It probably depends a lot on your levels and team composition. He wiped out my Crono/Marle/Lucca team at the mid 40s. Setting the battle system at Active, and never buying a single item throughout the game probably helped in keeping the fight interesting.

Under ideal conditions (for Lavos anyway), a full cycle of him warping through time would remove your Party's status immunity, then hit them with Slow and/or Confusion, halve their HP and finish you off either with Grand Stone or Dreamless. I must have overleveled as a kid because I didn't even know Grand Stone can hit for 1000 damage.

This is without me touching the Black Omen or using tabs as well. Mega Elixirs would have made everything so much easier. So skip on that/or use the Wallet if you want to keep things challenging.

I found that the game in general is balanced around the player fighting all encounters once with no grinding. It's very generous with items and equipment too so you never need money at any point.

>>2242394
Well Exdeath is a joke too if you master some of the better jobs in FFV.

I agree that Lavos was a little disappointing - especially the boss rush segment of the battle. That one should have contained the same bosses but with dramatically higher stats, not their fucking early-game values.

>>2242436

I think the intention for that boss rush was to screw over the player by reminding them of the bread and butter strategy to kill a three part boss. Same with the second part. It doesn't really work now that everyone knows the trick.

>>2227757
It looks like he's doing the YMCA

>>2242409
Well it's not like killing the other two pieces made the battle harder or anything. There are even phases of vulnerability that mean you have nothing better to do than eliminate the body and left pod, which takes away some of Lavos Core's attacks until he can bring them back. Strong parties can just overwhelm the whole boss with brute force until they win.

>>2244076
There's no point in taking out the left pod, it absorbs all elemental attacks so I just leave it alone.

I just have Crono, Marle, and Lucca spam Luminaire and Antipode 3 when the right pod lowers its defense until it's dead.

Hey /vr/, what was your FIRST triple tech you got in the game?

Mine was Arc Impulse, and I thought it fucking rocked. Pretty sure it's just Spincut + Ice2 + Leap Slash though, so it was mostly in my head. That party arrangement at least had all the game's strongest ice/water elemental attacks, I think.

>>2245879
Triple Raid. It's like one of the earliest triple techs you can get, so it fucking ruins Magus's day in the middle ages.

>>2245898
Same. I used it constantly against the bosses in Magus' castle.

>>2246808
I never used triple techs against Magus.

I never leveled enough to do one. At least not as far as I remember.

>>2237075

The husband is the villain of the fan made sequel.

>>2246878
I think for triple raid, all you need is x-strike and robo tackle. Might be wrong on this, and at that point you're guaranteed to have x-strike, and if you've been using robo at all, he'll get robo tackle. I think I mostly used it on slash and flea, but it's been years since I first played the game.

>>2245879

as I was saying, Chrono/Marle/Frog definitely works. and it wasn't in your head, I think arc impulse has a high multiplier.

>>2248634
Is there any good one with Chrono, the tinkerer girl and Robo?
Cause I ain't changing my party any time soon.

>>2248634
Not particularly high, but anon was maybe underestimating the strength of the base moves.
>Arc Impulse: 1.25 x Spincut [ regular attack's damage x 2 ] 1.25 * Ice 2 [ 5.75 x (Level + Mag) ] 1.25 * Leap Slash [ regular attack's damage x 2.2 ]

Arc Impulse is actually pretty strong in that it's using the highest damage attacks BOTH Marle and Frog can use outside of a low-HP Frog Squash. So among triple techs, it's maybe one of the most worthwhile. But since the multiplier isn't THAT good, it probably doesn't make up the difference compared to independent action after Crono gets Confuse, and definitely not after Luminaire.

>>2240579

I'm sure he'd recognize a giant flying Ocean Palace.

>>2240554

I think the Black Omen just became a thing in the world. Never really being there, but being there, doing nothing while being noticed.

>>2248979
I've decided to become autistic and create a big chart on all the attacks and combos and their damage at various levels.

>>2241939
>>2242092

What if the Gurus have seen this all before? What if this isn't the first time they've seen a group like Crono's make this attempt? What if this isn't the first time he's seen Crono's group make this attempt?

What if he, and the other Guru are just like Homura after too many time resets? He's just going through the motions now.

>>2249017
godspeed

>>2225540
>>2225741
>>2235349
this could possibly be the dumbest fan theory

I don't get the hobby of optimizing chrono trigger when its so easy from the get go. It's just because newgame+ is there?

>>2249059
>this could possibly be the most logical fan theory

FTFY

>>2249090
Because some people have played it to death.

>>2249090
We just like to analyze our favourite games. It's academic interest, not practical necessity.

>>2240035
>Caring about stats
>Not finishing the game with Marle, Robo/Lucca and Frog

>>2240503
Isn't Zeal not present during the prehistoric times though ?

>>2250053

Not exactly. I think the other tribe that refused to fight the Reptites are the ancestors of Zeal.

Also, what I think was meant by "transcends time" was that it's eternal, not that it existed in all time.

>>2249021

You repeated that sentence on purpose, didn't you?

Anyway, I doubt that. I think history played out in one way, the original way, before Chrono's party came into and altered it slightly.

But, I also doubt the rescue of Melchior with the other Sages. They're old, but then again Melchior did have to get down the mountain and down the chain. But, that's not the same as climbing up the chain and fighting up the mountain. Supposedly they sent someone to do it. Like Belthesar's Nu. Who knows.

>>2250092
But that doesn't mean it transcends time that just means the black omen was there since the antiquity and onwards, so people just grow up with having it there and think it's natural.

>>2250505

That's what I meant.

Sorry, reading it again it does sound that way.

I mean to say there is that it's eternal, as in it's never going to go away on it's own an didn't exist in all time like even before Chrono and the other's start time traveling.

Chrono Trigger and it's sneaky jew tactics

>>2250415

Melchoir was probably sent to the Mountain of Woe because Magus being there as The Prophet changed things slightly.

>>2250861
That's as good an explanation I've heard. Magus must had to get rid of Melchior because he was getting suspicious of him.

Magus WAS evil and there's no way around that, Japan typical fascist shtick of having powerful characters justified by their importance didn't save him in any of my playthrougs, Frog deserved his vengeance.

>>2250939
It won't bring back Cyrus and it won't make your spells and stats less of a joke, you know.

>>2250939
>fascist
Stop triggering me.

>>2250948

Who even cares, it's a single player game and you can easily beat Lavos without even finding the best weapons OR grinding.
Saving that scheming asshole is the last of my concerns.

>>2250948
Magus showed no sympathy to what happened to Cyrus or Glenn. He could kill again, you need to put him down so that never happens to anyone else.

>>2250965
We're embroiled in a struggle for the survival of our planet and you give a shit that the smartest most dedicated dude in the party might make a cold decision or two?

>>2250939
>>2250956
>>2250965

I would save him. For me it was because he was mysterious. He seemed like such an interesting character. I wanted to see what character development he'd have As it turned out he he remained cold to the very end. Not even so much as saying a "farewell."

>>2250982
That's something a girl would say.

>>2250968
I'm more concerned my pal Frog might not have a clear head for the final battle, he needs all past baggage behind him. Also it serves as training and a personal epiphany for him, he finally slays the evil wizard with his own strength, not Cyrus's or the party's.

>>2250985

The "mysterious part"? Yeah, It does, doesn't it? But take into account this was me as a child

Even though I didn't beat the game as a child but borrowed it from a friend and returned it before I could. I ended up beating the DS version as an adult both with him in the party and out of it. Every subsequent play through I'll still him join the party because I like him. He's one of my favorites along with Robo and Frog. Although I don't think he's quite as good as some of the other characters.

>>2250982
I let him live just because there was no further harm he could do in that place, since he had no means to leave. It's the ruins of his destroyed civlization; he can either sulk with his failure alone forever or go hang out with the people rebuilding. He can get justice or penance from either option.

I remember I fell out of my chair when he joined the party.

>>2251006
>It's the ruins of his destroyed civlization; he can either sulk with his failure alone forever or go hang out with the people rebuilding.

Seeing what we saw of his ending, he went about looking for Schala. I don't think he would ever stop, and as it turned out I was right. But, then after that reveal he ends up stopping.

>>2250939
I brought him because of Schala. He doesn't deserve to be saved, but she does, and that's kind of his whole driving factor