/vr/ - Retro Games

inb4 any underwater level

vote Sewers

Every fucking time, in every fucking game I ever fucking played.

>>2223841
Hm, okay. Since you posted BT, let's see about "the worst" levels in N64 titles.

SM64: Big Boo's Haunt for the camera, and I'm not a big fan of Lethal Lava Land either. Dire, Dire Docks too but that's water

BK: Clanker's Cavern

BT: Didn't mind Terrydactyland, but had some gripes with Cloudcuckooland.

Paper Mario: Hm, don't even hate Flower Fields like others do, but it's the worst in the game.

E4M2

>>2223889
>had some gripes with Cloudcuckooland.
Anything in particular?

>>2223892
That's certainly a factor.

Had a great boss though.

>>2223891
That level's a dick

Doom 2 was kinda hit or miss itself

>>2223889
Not this guy, but building on his theme.

>OoT
A lot of people say hurr Water Temple durr, but I was actually more underwhelmed by Jabu-Jabu's belly and the Ice Cavern.

>Majora's Mask
Again, didn't mind the Great Bay Temple, but the Pirate Fortress was just a chore.

>Conker's Bad Fur Day
The barn was uninspired and the boiler fight takes too long.

>Goldeneye
Fucking Compound, although the Jungle level has a tendency to drag.

>Kirby 64
Aqua Star didn't really have anything challenging, just slow from water controls, and the boss was a wimp (although harder in boss rush mode).

>Star Fox 64
Sector X was kinda meh but that's still a half-training level, so I'm gonna say Solar. A cool boss fight doesn't excuse a long predictable slog of a level.

>Shadows of the Empire
Again, just because your level has IG-88 as a boss doesn't mean you get to have a shitty design otherwise, train stage.

>>2223897
This was only bad because of how ludicrous those enemies were without Paula's attack magic, and how many of them there were to get through.

If you want both bad/boring design elements AND ludicrous enemies, I submit the sewers beneath Fourside.

>>2223907
This level was significantly easier once you know about the warp trick (if you die on a moving platform in such a way that your body is pushed to the "end" of a screen before the music stops, you warp to the boss for that level). Lets you skip the bullshit climbing section as well as the space rails.

This level from Pokemon Red/Blue is pretty shit. Not a whole lot happens for a long while.

>>2224007
Pirate Fortress with the stone mask is too easy, and tedious without it. Still would nominate Woodfall Temple over it, but that's more bland than bad.

>>2223889
I was just about to google image search clanker's cavern, great minds think alike anon.

So very easy to crash.

>>2223841
poo level

>>2224007
Jabu Jabu's Belly is the worst. Whenever I replay OoT that's usually the point where I don't feel like playing anymore.

>>2223889
MarioKart64: Banshee boardwalk

>>2223874
clanker's cavern in banjo kazooie would be a pretty cool level in my book if not for banjo's god-awful and disorienting underwater swimming controls. They could've just copied mario, but no, they made him swim like a lobotomized turkey

>>2224050
bottom of the well tends to do it for me. plus dead hand still scares the shit out of me.

>>2224056
Think you've hit the nail on the head my friend. First time I played on Mumbo's Mountain trying to get that shit below the bridge, nearly fucking drowned.

>Banshee Boardwalk
RAILINGS

I NEED RAILINGS

>>2224126
I love picking Banshee Boardwalk when I play against people. Almost a guaranteed win every time.

>>2224126
>>2224139
Banshee Boardwalk on 150cc is simply impossible for me. I will never be able to do it.

>>2224056
This. What bothered me most was having to swim all the way to the bottom of the cavern and into that key multiple times while avoiding drowning by collecting bubbles.
That shit got me so scared as a kid and still felt tedious as an adult.

>>2224148
I don't know how. You just slow down when you get near the big curves and use the handbrakes. Some part where the track curves a lot, you can stay by the edge and not turn at all, just go straight through.

Trouble with the trolley, eh?

>>2224174
Say that to my fucking face you dirty pelicunt.
You and your convoluted gear storage system.

Dragged on way too long, only enjoyable part of this chapter was meeting Raphael the Raven.

>>2223897
Why did I put the Franklin Badge into storage? FUCK!

>>2223917
Doom 2 has a lot of bad shit

MAP08 pisses me off. Hurr let's put a bunch of monsters you can't fight on every door

CONTROL THE MINE CART MISTER POTTER.

Urgh. It's like I'm playing S3 or S&K.

>>2224306
>Philosophers
>Not Sorcerers
Based non American.

>>2224007
>mentions Conker
>doesn't mention the awful shooter sections

>>2223841
>not grunty industries
one job etc

Glitter Gulch Mine was a lot worse than Terrydactyland.

>>2223841

>>2223874
>sewers
I thought the ones in Yoshi's Island were pretty cool

>>2224401
Glitter Gulch Mine was fun (bar Canary Mary) and had some variation. Terrydactyland is just boring. The jiggies are boring and you have to walk a lot (and travel to other worlds a lot) to complete stuff. It's a pain.

But i hate Cloud Cuckooland more than those two. Such a disappointing final world. Specially after BK had Click Clock Woods.

>>2224306
Took me all afternoon years ago but I got my money.
Never trust banks, kids.

>>2223891
Could you give a more elaborate answer - it has always struck me as an odd map.
Romero bragged that he did it in 6 hours.

>>2224653
Not who you're talking to, but E4M2 has a massive spike in difficulty, spawning Barons up the ass, punishing the player for attempting to grab any power-up, and then fuck you Cyberdemon just cause, all while balancing on tiny platforms over lava.

>>2223897
Franklin Badge & HP items. Get a bear too. Easy. Really after replaying Earthbound this last week the only boss to give me any trouble was Carbon/Diamond Dog.

>>2224276

>Hurr let's put a bunch of monsters you can't fight on every door

Maybe if you do a pistol start, but once you've learned the map it's easy. Then again, it /is/ called Tricks and Traps. You should have been completely paranoid going in for the Doom devs to tell you that much.

>>2223891
OP said Bad, not Hard.

>>2224276
>Hurr let's put a bunch of monsters you can't fight on every door

You do realise a lot of those doors require tricks, right?

Also, the cacodemon room and the pinkie room should ALWAYS be first picks from pistol start, as they have a Plasma rifle and Rocket Launcher respectively.

>>2223841
Map21 from doom 2

I generally like doom 2's levels more than some people. But map21 is boring, ugly, and greatly lacks in polish. I honestly wouldn't find it hard to believe if Sandy Petersen came out and said he made it within an hour.

The 3 Towers you go to near the end of Lufia 2.

Big, empty places. I don't think they finished those levels before releasing the game. Or just got lazy and said "fuck it - that's good enough".
They have some awesome music though. I felt like I was in for some good fun dungeons. But nope.

>>2223841
I hate that one of the Hailfire Peaks jiggies requires you to go through this world again.

>>2224007
Wasn't Ice Cavern originally meant to be a full sized dungeon at one point? Or am I reemembering wrong?

>>2224313
I never got why America changed the title of the book.

>>2225289
Wanted to be more original I guess?

>>2224126
Try the old ghost levels or rainbow road on the snes, many fewer railings

>>2225301
I don't see how "Sorcerer's" is more original.

>>2223841
Was contenders for one of my favorite levels. I would've accepted Grunty's Industries though.


For me im gonna go with the side-levels in Vectorman that last like 20 seconds and comprise of you basically pressing a or b over and over.

>>2225289
According to Wikipedia:

>Scholastic Corporation bought the U.S. rights at the Bologna Book Fair in April 1997 for US$105,000, an unusually high sum for a children's book. They thought that a child would not want to read a book with the word "philosopher" in the title and, after some discussion, the American edition was published in September 1998 under the title Rowling suggested, Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone. Rowling claimed that she regretted this change and would have fought it if she had been in a stronger position at the time. Philip Nel has pointed out that the change lost the connection with alchemy, and the meaning of some other terms changed in translation, for example from UK English "crumpets" to US English "muffin". While Rowling accepted the change from both UK English "mum" and Seamus Finnigan's Irish variant "mam" to "mom" in Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, she vetoed this change in the later books. However Nel considered that Scholastic's translations were considerably more sensitive than most of those imposed on UK English books of the time, and that some other changes could be regarded as useful copyedits. Since the UK editions of early titles in the series were published a few months earlier than the American versions, some American readers became familiar with the British English versions after buying them via the Internet.

>>2223841
>tfw insane minoans want to control the world

>>2225352
I dunno.

I guess it rolls off the tongue more easily.

>>2225342
I hate the bowser castle stages from Super Mario Kart most of all.

>>2224306
the trolls used to scare me so much

>>2225281
It sure felt like it ended too soon.
I was so fucking mad that there wasn't a boss at the end.

>>2225342
yeah if you arent garbage at drifting banshee boardwalk is cake esp with the heavier characters. the bats are the worst part cause they fuck up your momentum. drifting in super mario kart on the other hand is fucking impossible in general

I never liked Dire Dire Docks.

>>2225770
most boring level in the game.

>>2223846
I always found that underwater levels were moree tolerable, even possibly acceptable, if I could play in first person.

Underwater sections in games like Duke3D and Quake never bothered me.

>>2224308
metropolis zone is fun, but id still say its the worst in sonic 2 because of the crabs, praying mantises, 3 acts and the boss (which is easy when u know the trick but it feels unfair)

Evening ignoring this part, the level is a long, boring slog with grating music.

>>2225484
>no crumpets
Oh come the fuck on.

>>2224397
Grunty Industries is hard, but it's not bad.

Thief: The Dark Project sadly had quite a few bad levels, most of them about raiding some tomb or fighting monsters. The Downwind Thieves Guild stands out as the worst though. I've heard a lot of Thief fans describe it as the worst in the series and I'm tempted to agree. A fucking maze, that level. I admit, with zero shame, that I had to resort to looking up a guide to get through that level. Strange Bedfellows deserves a dishonourable mention.

Good thing most of the other levels were great.

>>2227506
Down in the Bonehoard was amazing if you were including that as one of the bad "tomb" levels

Agreed strongly on Downwind though, whoever decided to hide an mission-critical ring in a tiny nook in a fireplace should be fired

Rest of Thief series is great (Shipping and Receiving is my #1)

>>2224308
Am I seriously the only one that doesn't understand why everyone hates this level? Sure, it's the only one that has three stages rather than two, and it may feel a little longer than the others, but I think you're just being a little bitch about it.

>>2227562

Eh, I don't understand what some people see in Bonehoard but whatever, different strokes etc etc

>Shipping and Receiving is my #1

Shipping and Receiving was breddy gud. Personally I can't decide between the Bank mission in 2 or the Cradle in Deadly Shadows.

>Rest of Thief series is great

Even 4?

>>2224048
Holy shit. I had blocked that out.

>>2224060
>>2224056
>>2224153
Hold R while turning underwater.

>>2225668
It was, but IIRC they scrapped that in order to focus on the other dungeons. Good riddance, too. I hated the cave and couldn't imagine an entire dungeon dedicated to that shit.

Every hero/escort level

You know it's true.

>>2227573
you what?

reword it pls

>>2226462
Probably cause First Person games have the easiest controls when it comes to swimming. Jumping and crouching are simply replaced with swim up and swim down.

>>2224397
>grunty industries
>bad

Nope.

Fuck

>>2223874
I liked them in Crash 2

>>2227604
What?? You're crazy.

>>2223841
Habitat from Final Doom: TNT Evilution

2/3's of the map is long tunnels.

Shitty boss design here

>>2224007
I feel like I'm the only one but something about the forest temple in OoT always fucks with me and I get way more lost than I should. It's probably the only temple I could never speed run because I always miss something

>>2224048
Sgt. Byrd's levels were all shite, but free Roam in enchanted towers was amazing, I wish all of his minigame rooms were just that

>>2225484
>crumpets
>muffins
>the same thing

fuck off murica

>>2230919
It's a localization. I guess Americans eat muffins (their kind) for breakfast or something. It's a foreign culture, I don't try to understand it.

>>2229021

>>2230946
I don't get it. Was that level really that bad? I remember it fondly. The boss was hard for me until I figured it out but that only took about two tries.

>>2230962
It was mostly the barrel. You had to press up and down on it to get momentum to pass the section. Many people who played Sonic 3 the first time encountered this trap.

>>2230974
Oh. Weird, I don't remember having any difficulty.

>>2223841
Banjo Tooie is one of my favorite games.

Terrydactyland isn't the worst level. It's grunty industries. By a lot.

>>2230284
More like the whole map is nothing lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DMCUBWgdPI

If someone knows a real way to get past this level let me know.

>>2231152
Why is there a Fraggle in the truck bed?

Terrydactyland had the worst fucking music.

Click Clock Wood

>>2230983
Some people don't have to think about it at all, others think of it as one of the worst offenses in retro game design in history. It's funny how polarizing it is.

>>2229021
>>2230946
i had no idea how to get around this when i was a kid. i just never played it until i got sonic and knuckles and played it with knuckles lol

>>2224023
Lvl 57 was even longer dude, you're being unfair!

never noticed it until just recently, because i used to listen to it all the time, but banjo-tooies OST is actually pretty mediocre compared to kazooie's.

>>2231360
That level really tests your skill, I wouldn't call it bad.

>>2231376
A lot of the songs in Tooie were depressing. Especially the theme for Isle O' Hags.

>>2231387
So does the ice level, and that place is FUN. I didn't need blind drops into spikes and guessing games about where a wheel is going to test my skill.

>>2230852
>ftw you've racked up 9 lives, 4 energy tanks, and flawless gameplay
>this boss
>screw up crash bomb placement
>die
>no second try
>forced to die 8 more times before you can try again
>attempt #2 ends when you're one or two bombs shy
>rage.jpg

>>2231425
well i probably am less depressed than i have been. that or i just dont notice it anymore.

>>2223874

>>2230852
>Not using Support item 1 to climb up walls that are not worth destroying
ISHYGDDT

A good game has no bad levels.

>>2231587
That's debatable. A game can be great if its good levels make up for the couple below average ones. Super Mario 64 comes to mind.

>>2231639
You're wrong.

Know what they call a good game with bad levels? A bad game.

>>2231649
Know what they call you? Wrong and a fag

>>2231649
Your logic kinda sucks shit, but alrighty then.

>>2231725
>>2231732
A game isn't good just because you played it as a kid even though it was shit.

>>2231738

you're not even trying

plz just go

>>2231738
But that has nothing to do with what we're talking about. For all you know, I may have never played any of these games as a kid.

I mean, you may as well say a restaurant is shit just because 1 of its dishes is bad, even though it may have 20 other dishes that are great.

>>2231204
I sucked balls at flying Banjo as a bee.

>>2231750
That's an exaggeration, but I'm with you. The exception doesn't make the rule, the rotten apple doesn't spoil the bushel, and a bad level doesn't make a bad game.

Unless you've got a zero-tolerance policy to games.

>>2231765
Science has revealed that one bad apple actually does entice the bushel to go rotten. I just want to make sure your fruit facts are up to date.

http://news.discovery.com/earth/plants/genetics-of-barrel-spoiling-bad-apples-130612.htm

>>2231767
Fuck your science!

>>2231772
Stupid sexy science?

>>2231767
Come on, when has science EVER been right?

>>2230878
i get mixed up with the 2 outdoor courtyards opposite each other

>>2231767

that's true. but a game doesn't have to be flawless to be good.

>>2231738
>>2231649
>>2231587

>>2223889

SM64 had really strange curve in level design, you had great fun levels like, Shifting Sand Land, Bom bomb battlefield, Snowmans Land and Rainbow Ride, Whomps Fortress

Then you had camera hell that was Hazy Maze Cave, Tick Tock Clock, The Boos Mansion

and then you had uncanny valley levels like the Underwater city, Jolly Rogers Bay and Bowsers Sub.

and then there's just empty beta tier levels like Tal Tal Mountain and the big small isle i think it was called, that nobody likes or remembers.

>>2231794
Nah, he's just underdeveloped mentally.

Everybody move on.

>>2231796

I think the weird curve had everything to do with mario64 being a pioneer.

>>2231796
>underwater city
Wet Dry World? My least favourite
I actually liked Tall Tall Mountain.

>>2224058

you don't really have to do the whole well unless you're doing 100% run.

for me it's definitely the whole child part of OoT, because there's just so much fucking boring cutscenes

>>2231809
>Tall Tall Mountain.

Idunno, going to the top of the mountain 6 out of 7 times gets kind of old.

>>2231810
If you aren't doing a 100% run, why even bother playing?

>>2231814
I just like the big worlds, i mean Whomps fortress was tiny!
They all have nothin' on Shifting Sand Land anyway

>>2231821

Minimal runs are fun too

>>2231810
still can't motivate myself to continue even though it's my first time playing in at least a year, just beat gohma. (if you can call gohma a fight)

>>2231809
Wet Dry World felt like some kind of beta stage. Not saying it was bad, but it felt... weird/unfinished.

>>2231823

Agreed I love desert levels in Nintendo games. They always get it so right.

Shifting Sand Land is the most fun level to shell skate in the game. Just like Bomb Omb Battlefield is the most fun to fly in.

>>2231809
Wet Dry World was only cool for me to imagine what lived there and the rest of the city beyond the walls. Oh, the fact you could change the starting water levels by jumping higher or lower into the picture was a nice touch.

>>2231821
Some games I play have things that I just can't be arsed to do, especially when replaying it.

>>2231828
>this guy
I used to draw pictures of Shifting Sad Land when i was wee
The metal boxes, the cacti, the vulture etc
Also used to love drawing the chain chomp

>>2223841

To be honest the only level I remotely enjoyed in BT was Jolly Rogers Bay.

I really don't like any of the other levels, mostly because they were too big for their own good and all the padding with splitting Banjo and Kazooie and running back and forth through huge levels at 5 fps. It was just tedious as fuck.

I didn't like how everything suddenly got grimdark and edgy either, both the "humour" and the colour palette and generally everything presentation wise took a huge nosedive.

>>2231839
you don't know bad framerates until you try and play the Toy Story 2 game

>>2231835

There's just something about Mario almost belonging in the desert, I don't know how to explain it.

>>2231843
*on n64
also when you kill enemies in OoT sometimes the animation where they burn up makes my game all laggy

>>2231839
The only thing I disliked about the humor in Tooie is that Gruntilda stopped rhyming. Her rhymes were funny as hell in the first game.

>>2231849
>>2231839
i fapped to sexy grunty at the game over cutscene
captcha: femen

>>2231853
No shame in that.

>>2231849

I didn't understand the whole Bottles being killed off or the Zombie Jiggie King. It got too surreal and bizarre, kinda like Monty Python, since devs are British and obvious fans, but they kinda failed to make a funny throughout the whole game.

>>2224045
I'm probably going to get angry posts, but what game is this?

>>2231867
It's ok m8
Rogue Squadron
Great game, genuinely challenges you.

>>2231867
nice cheat codes too, that dont ruin it either, you can fly the millenium falcon with a code, its really fun

>>2226462
thank's to you post I just thought "oh yeah.. I like it when it gets a bit wet baby." in duke's voice...

>>2224048
now that music is embedded in my brain once more

>>2231587
If that were true, then there'd be no good games.

>>2229036
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ig-Hd8tczU

>>2224048
Sgt. Byrd's base wasn't so bad, it had those french hummingbirds with the cute voices begging to suck you off every five steps or so. Plus, at least it had some new mechanics, slow and awkward as they were. I remember really enjoying just the ability to free fly as a kid, even if the implementation could have been way better.

Now Bentley, he is a shit. He's basically exactly the same as Spyro, except he can smash metal chests (which is meaningless since they practically replace regular chests in his levels) and he can use an incredibly situational fan thing that is basically used all of like three times in the entire game, in quick succession. All that in exchange for 1/4 the movement speed, what a steal.

i fucking love this game. but this level.

i actually like the water temple in oot, i couldnt stand the shadow temple though.

>>2229036
The sewers in Silent Hill were pretty cool.

There was no radio reception so you had to trust your wits more.

Somebody once told me the 'bears' in the second set of sewers were the most dangerous enemies in the game but I always NOPED my way past them without ever being attacked or attacking.

>>2231863
Eh, i actually like the idea of this whole world outside of Banjo's home/Spiral Mountain /Jingo City and its actually kinda shit and decaying, SORT of like Dark Souls.

>>2231839
reviewers complained about the first game being too gay
that's actually what happened. you can tell half of dk64 was designed to be grimdark and gritty as well

>>2232327
The plane controls were horrible, they were easily the worst levels in the game.

Wouldn't be too bad if the FUCKING CAMERA WASN'T LIKE IT'S BEING USED FOR 'THE BLAIR WITCH PROJECT' FOOTAGE!

Thankfully, the DS version fixes that shit and makes this level playable.

>>2233427
I love that level, but yeah you tend to die a lot...

>>2224308
>t's like I'm playing S3 or S&K.

I wouldn't consider metropolis time a good time thou

>>2231387
>That level really tests your skill
>It's skill to not get killed by Hammerfish that knocks you into instakill spikes that sometimes spawn and sometimes don't

>>2232327

My major complaint is that they are too easy. The platinum relics are also a joke.

>>2231863
This.
Things were too gloomy in BT. Even the overworld music wasn't as groovy as in BK.

>>2231506

Good taste. Wish more people knew about Strife.

>>2223874
The Sewers in Silent Hill are the scariest parts of the game.

>>2224206
I liked this level. The ice castle pissed me off the most.
>>2230852
Garbage to the max. Can you even avoid when they shoot?
>>2231845
Really? He always seems to end up in forests, that are ALWAYS MAZES.

I disliked Rusty Bucket Bay in BK, I felt so bad for that trapped dolphin but I was so bad at the engine room, so I kept dying and then there was the poisoned water and it was just such a giant pain to try and get all those notes.

>>2230878
>>2231790
These. First time through I was stuck for a month because Zelda 1 and the Oracles conditioned me to believe that the first room never has anything of significance, even though there was a key on top of the tree.

>>2231839
Same here. As much as I wanted to like it, everything just felt wrong. There was absolutely no reason to change the art style, it made it feel like a cheap knock-off.

>>2231853
>>2231856
>That childhood guilt that comes with admitting I'm attracted to Grunty despite knowing she's a horrible person

Humans are such shallow and fragile creatures, huh anon?

Fuck this shit.

>>2231839
The moves in BT were definitely a low point. Outside of grip grab (which was actually very welcome), they were all basically just extentions of old moves, or that split up nonsense. Its like they ran out of ideas.

The backtracking also got a bit much. In the original, all jiggies in a world could be earned before heading for the next (The turbo trainers do make one of the bubblegloop swamp jiggies easier, but its not required). Tooie loved requiring moves from later worlds, and going through passages in earlier worlds to obtain jiggies.

>>2235701
Use the Rolling Cutter on those floor things

>>2223874
Fuckin sewer surfin' man

>>2235707
Yeah, having gone back and replayed BK and BT for this first time in ages a few months ago, I was really disappointed with BT. Despite all the added stuff, it really just felt like a huge step back. Getting 100% completion in BK was a fun challenge, in BT it felt like a boring, unnecessary slog.

>>2235381
I don't know how to feel about that fanart.

>>2239626
I want to fuck that Kazooie. I'm not even ashamed.

>>2227570
its the length and also it has some very hard to avoid-enemies but other than that i like it more than oil ocean for sure and it has great music

>>2231227
>>2231830
i mostly watched when my bro played but jesus i was soo curious to find out what lived in the surrounding city beyond the walls

>>2239086
GODAMMIT! Gears can fly in cutscenes, why not during gameplay?

>>2233386
>dark souls is the real spiritual successor to Banjo-Tooie

New Washington from Flashback, wish I could find a higher res. It's not a hard level exactly, it just takes fucking forever. Also, that fucking jump at the start.

>>2240278
The last misison? I think was cool. The one that introduced the teleporter or the one after it was great. The rest was just sooo fucking tedious. I almost stopped playing there and I had 10 year old levels of free time.

>>2239086
>>2239946
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCKK!!!!

>>2235397
early boners were had

>>2231152

I know this pain.

I also want an answer.

No matter how many terminators you kill that truck gets fucking wrecked.

>>2235368

What is this map from? It's like a weird GBA version of Ocarina of Time?

>>2240285
I'm really looking forward to Xenoblade X but I'm so, so afraid it'll have bullshit platforming with the mechs.

>>2240494
Don't worry, the mechs can fly in this one.

shinobi on sms i remember the 2nd level i think there was some platform to platform jumps where you had to stand on the very edge of your pixel limit then run and jump with in .1 of a sec. you could also layout boss1 on the arcade in one jump where on sms you could not.

>>2227506

Funny, playing the Thief Gold demo and this was the mission. I actually liked the gameplay and stuff....BUT DAMN I WAS LOST FOR AGES.

I wasn't a fan of the occult stuff in the game, Thief 2 rectified a lot of that.

>>2224308
Metropolis is a fucking nightmare and the dude who said otherwise has gotta be bordering on tryhard about that shit.

>>2229021
How do you do this again? It's like I did it by accident once.

>>2224308
fuck metropolis zone. there's some cheap-ass bullshit there.

>mantis camping at the top of the bouncy wall section
>trajectory of bouncy things can't be altered
>no choice but you watch yourself get flung right into him, and get knocked back down
>during the knock back animation, you're not affected by the bumpers anymore, guaranteeing that you fall all the way to the bottom and have to do it again

>>2235038
You can avoid it with the time Barrage glitch. That's about it

>>2240489
It looks more like a custom Alttp map, but I dunno. It's been a while since I played the GBA ones, and I can't remember how Minish Cap was

>>2243067
>>trajectory of bouncy things can't be altered
False, you can affect then by holding the jump button.

>>2225770
Best music though

>>2225676

>going through the bats
>not hopping over the smallest part of the crack right next to the support beam in the middle of the room