/vr/ - Retro Games

I think Lass might have given me my first boner, but I'm not sure. That's what you wanted to know, right?

>tfw you finally found a Mew glitch that actually worked, but never bothered to beat the game with it because it came too late in your life to be worth it

>>2219231
Played them to hell and back without ever realizing they were a buggy pile.

I've been chasing the feeling that exploration gave me in those games for much of my life. I fear I live like a drug addict.

>>2219231
Blue was the FIRST game I ever played and I could be a little biased but I FUCKING LOVE THEM as a kid.

Does Gen 2 count? Because I played Gold all throughout my childhood.

Sadly, I don't have that passion anymore.

Personally, I actually like how much of a broken mess a lot of the mechanics are, I find once you accept that as part of the gameplay and work within those limitations (playing a nuzelocke, it's just too easy otherwise) they're still a lot of fun. Gives it a charming 'bolted together' sketchy kind of feel that the later games don't have. There's obviously a huge amount of nostalgia influencing this though.

On a unrelated note, god I love that original illustration style. Brings right back how magical it was when it came out.

Crystal, Pinball, and TCG2 are probably the highest point of Pokemon for me.

Even though Kanto sucked balls in GSC.

A challenger appears

I was one of the borderline "Too Old" kids when it came out. Competitive battlan in 2000 when I was in the 8th grade. I knew it was unbalanced and goofy but loved it anyway. My self-conscious tagline of that era: "NO THE GAME IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE SHOW. THE SHOW SUCKS, I HATE IT. IT MAKES US LOOK BAD." Stopped playing around 2003, (started chasing girlies and getting some wang-dang sweet poontang, pokemon was a game killer at that point.) Picked it back up again when Diamond/Pearl came out. Went back and played every game through in order. 1st gen is best for the feels. 4th gen is best for mechanics and battle metagame. 5th and 6th gen have been little better than meh.

THEY WERE THE MOTHER FUCKING SHIZZ NIT

>>2219231
I enjoyed them. I have a soft spot for 1st gen, particularly pokemon green since that's the first game I game I beat in Japanese. I think I was 9 or so at the time

>>2219281
Can't see shit.

>>2219231
Though i grow tired of the Pokemon formula, i must admit that the first two gens are very close to my heart.

>>2219231
I was already too fucking old to play that shit.

>>2219231
i'm still upset i don't live in the 90s-early 2000s pokemon world.

shorts are easy and comfy to wear

The older games became unplayable after special/physical split became a thing

>>2219372
>actually reading stats

>>2219231
Pokemon fucking sucks. Yeah I played and enjoyed it as a kid, but its so fucking barebones. Shoddy battle animations, Rock-Paper-Scissors battle system, easy as fuck, and a slew of other bad design decisions (like needing a link cable, and a friend with the alternative copy of the game to get all the pokemon)

It spawned a phenomenon and I can't deny it, but the games have always been pretty shit. The same kind of people who play competitive pokemon are the same kind of people who play competitive smash bros. A special kind of autist.

>>2219378
>a basic thing like knowing what moves are good on which pokes
>reading stats

>>2219380
>not just doing it by guesswork based on real animals.

it's pokemon, you can't fuck up too bad unless you seriously put some effort into being bad.

>>2219380
>>2219382
Pretty much. Fucking Twitch plays Pokemon and Fish plays pokemon prove that the game is a fucking joke for anyone with half a brain.

>>2219382
>>2219385
I have much more fun going low-level in rpgs, and that requires actually knowing how the game works and not just blindly pressing things like a retard.

>>2219387
You can beat Blue/Red and Silver/Gold by using a single fucking Blastoise/Feralgator.

>>2219391
and you can beat a person with a sack of oranges to avoid leaving visible bruising.

>>2219391
And be way lower level than anything else? Ok then brah.

>>2219231
The manual having spots both filled and blanked out was a great idea. The 'trainer's fieldbook' look on the outside was also a great idea.

>>2219251
this. I'd restart it and beat it again over and over.

Anybody have comments on the side games?

>>2219281
this is the tightest shit, I love it and the sequel. I'd play another one but they refuse to make one that isn't pay2win BS.

Pokemon Snap was great but it was too fucking short. My friends and I actually made a practice out of being able to finish it in 30 minutes or less.

>>2219258

What actually happens when you collect the 151 Pokemon and you talk to Oak?

>>2219412
You realize that you've wasted your life.

>>2219394
>way lover level
You mean way over leveled, right?

>>2219231
loved them. glad I was a part of the original boom.

had huge hopes for the series because gen 2 built on everything, but then they went and basically shoved out the same game every year from gen 3 and onwards. now they even remove features.

Fun, but completely outclassed by the newer games. Best thing they have going for them is that you can play them on an emulator at 10000% speed, making them perfect for playing in a single lazy afternoon.

>>2219481
>that wonderful feel of save-scumming battles on mobile phone
not going to redo the entire thing when i can reload to get critical hits.

>>2219483
I've never needed to reload a save because of a battle. Pokemon is easy.

>>2219487
i liked to challenge gym leaders with underleveled pokemon

rather than repeating battles or grinding to stop them being underleveled, i just saved on every turn and waited for the RNG to work in my favour.

Gen 1 was new and exciting despite it being a buggy mess.

Gen 2 fixed things, but Johto was the worst region in pokemon history and Kanto was half assed.

>>2219394

Your pokemon would be level 70-80, it gets all the exp that a well balanced team would have.

>>2219231
I played those games relentlessly and enjoyed every minute of it. Without a doubt if you asked 9 year old me what was the greatest game ever made I would have told you Pokemon Red version. Of course Blue is good as well since it's more a less the same game as Red.

Even to this day I still consider the first gen Pokemon games to be my favorite games ever. I haven't ever done a full playthrough of Yellow version. I have had put it in my backlog recently and will eventually get around to it.

>>2219495
>Johto was the worst region in pokemon history

I liked Gen 2 more than Gen 1.

Also might as well post this http://pokehacks.dabomstew.com/randomizer/

>>2219504

Johto was bad in almost every area, everything except for the beginning is flat plains, you have a short cave and short forest, and thats it. The level curve is fucked, the elite 4 champion, his strongest pokemon is a level 50 dragonite, which isn't even possible without cheating.

Kanto was added in to give the game some length, but it was horrible butchered and after the feel good feeling wore off, it was just a shell of its former self.

>>2219512
>>2219495

Would it have been better for you if it had more WATER?

>>2219530

Probably, Johto was boring as hell.

I liked them in the 90s. But they're totally deprecated now.

Posting the perfect pokemon game.

>>2219590
Not retro, fuck off

I was born in 1990 but I only got Pokemon Gold in 2000, I never had the chance to get video games before 1999, (my first vidya was Star Wars Racer)

>>2219241
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Mew_glitch
You can also get other pokemon by using that glitch IF you do not beat/go to the slowpoke kid.

>>2219590
But that's not pic related

Sugumori's art style really tanked. It used to be recognizable and interesting, and now it's just generic doll-eyed loli shit.
This image continues to become more true.
>>2219474
>now they even remove features.
This bothers the fuck out of me. Are you seriously telling me that games on platforms with more power were unable to keep the following mechanic from HG/SS? HG/SS were and continue to be the best games since Crystal, fittingly.

>>>>/vp/

Gen 2 has some very comfy musics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh0tWycZa68

>>2219231
Love it

>>2219902
Pretty much all of the music from these games gets me nostalgic as fuck. Especially the song from the park where all of the bug contests take place

>>2219281
Great game. Moltres was crap IIRC

i hope we get a stylized game based off the original art some day

>>2219984
None of the birds were particularly good. High energy costs for a low return and some of their attacks were chance based.

The culture was certainly interesting. I was in third grade when Pokemon hit so I was the prime Pokemon age. I liked all the geocities websites, fake cheats shared during recess and the images we'd see from the upcoming gen 2 games.

On that note, I'm 25 now. Does anyone my age remember how mysterious the green version seemed when we were kids?

>>2220326
No, there are millions of kids who played the game, but you're the only one in the entire world who remembers.

>>2220345
dude shut up, this is always infinitely more obnoxious to say than what he said. it was a rhetorical question

>>2219530
i'm out of the loop since i only played gen 1 and 2, what the fuck is this? is there some explanation or was half this game literally water..?

>>2220345
The fedora is strong in this one.

>>2220382
The latter.

>>2220401

That guy's a faggot, but can you leave your awful hat maymay on /v/, please?

I want to put my hand up Lass's skirt.

>>2220454

don't we all

>>2220302
Maybe a fangame, nowadays pokemon is all just first-worlder fashionism and magical equality because "muh alternative universe", I wish I was just bullshitting but it's true.

The first poke's concepts are pretty straight up slavism and pitfighting very dangerous creatures, it was the anime the one who introduced the friendly tone for kids.
For example your pic, it has unhappily kept skulless cubones, a(nother) genetic aberration in a flask and a cheese pizza ad pasted in the front desk, that would not fly in nowadays pogeyman's quality control.

>>2219635
Both those designs suck, it's just different.

>>2219635
I think that shift in art is symbolic of the shift in the games themselves: mainstreamed and polished to the point of sterility. The transition to 3D models seals the deal. That was always a fun thing with new 2D Pokemon games, to see how they'd make the new Pokemon sprites. From now on I guess it will just be boring 3D models for everything.

There is one thing in particular that I find really appealing about the early games - they felt like games made by people, not overproduced system sellers. The graphics are basic, just enough to get the job done while still looking pleasing. Some of the Pokemon sprites look weird, sure, but I think this gives them some charm.

Did I recognize these feelings at the time? Of course not. Looking back now, though, they do have an appealing rawness that the newer games obviously lack. I really wish they'd make a new Pokemon game in the old GB style. That'd give me the hardest boner.

/vp/ here.
Gen two had some of the worst games in the series.
An angst ridden "rival" that serves only to fight you in unexpected places along your journey. He's not so much a rival as just a huge dick, with no character development until you fight him at Mt. Moon. Which can be skipped entirely.
The level scaling is absolutely terrible, as you find yourself fighting trainers with pokemon in the 30-35 range immediately after facing a gym leader using 50-60 level pokemon.
>m-muh kanto
The region was empty, and the level scaling mentioned earlier is a huge issue here especially.
Despite the hype over 'all new pokemon', you aren't given access to much Johto pokemon to use, and even the gym leaders use almost exclusively Kanto pokemon. Some Johto pokemon are only obtainable after returning to Kanto. Which makes all kinds of sense.
The only redeeming thing I can say is the metagame was alright. If you're into 200+ turn stall wars, and every team using a Skarmory/Blissey core.
Not /vr/, but gen 4 (post platinum) and gen 5's bw2 were the best in the series. X and y however, were six big steps backwards, landing them as some of the worst titles. Despite introducing a few neat features, the metagame has been left in shambles.

If you're going to play a /vr/ pokemon game, stick to r/b/y. The rival is strictly superior, and an actual rival. The pokemon designs are all good for the most part, save for some things like Grimer/Voltorb/Magnemite, etc.
Not to mention, the sprites and dex entries leave a lot more room for imagination.
R/b/y's lack of post game is made up for by Pokemon Stadium. G/S/C's post game was too poorly executed.

>>2220752
>Not /vr/, but gen 4 (post platinum) and gen 5's bw2 were the best in the series
how

>>2220485
With the yearly release schedule they've set up, it's only going to get worse. Pokemon will soon become Nintendo's CoD. Negligible or no new content with a full price tag each year. And people will eat it up because it's Pokemon.

They built the name up, and now they have a period where they can coast on previous successes.

>>2220757
>actual post game content
>actual music instead of chiptunes
>mechanics
>cutest champions

>>2220764
>actual post game content
granted, although i've never cared for it.
>actual music instead of chiptunes
chiptunes are cute.

never cared for the latter two either.

the later DS games don't sit so well with me, even if they have objective improvements, they feel more obviously kids games.

>>2220764
>actual music instead of chiptunes

First off kill yourself for even making that dumb statement second it's not chiptunes, educate yourself.

>>2220801
>not chiptunes,
are you stupid?

>>2220764
Don't put down old Pokemon music. If you don't love RBY music, then what are you even doing here.

>>2220382

You could dive and explore under the water.

>>2220802
Chiptunes is a whole different culture parallel to videogame synth music. Let's be real here, the majority of people think of those self made songs up on youtube when referring to chiptunes, not actual videogame music.

>hurr Kanto was empty

Maybe you should read what it took to even get that extra region into the game.

>>2220859
It was still empty.

I only played Pokemon Red and Pokemon Gold when I was younger, is there any newer Pokemon game where I can explore more than just one region?

>>2220752

Look at this guy, implying he speaks for all of /vp/

HG SS are best games because most content

X & Y features best competitive game

GSC is third best because, again, content.

This is going to sound stupid but I like how D/P had 151 Pokemon in the Dex to mirror rby. Granted, I dislike them because of the obvious "lets make the first two titles somewhat lacking and then make a superior third version" trick that GF loves to employ.

It's sad. Pokemon has potential but the devs would rather have Japanese CoD. In fact, that is unfair; CoD probably makes way more of an effort for their games to have variety compared to Pokemon.

>>2221242
>CoD probably makes way more of an effort for their games to have variety compared to Pokemon.
i think you're overlooking how much effort it takes to even put in "lazy" levels of content for pokemon vs "trying hard" in an FPS.

>>2219264
Bluebros represent.
I remember playing it religiously when i was a kid. Got Silver as well but only played it half-heartedly, at that point the spark kinda fading from me.

>>2220926
Hello me.

>>2219902
It also has the best GC music
http://youtu.be/iWbUtdx827g

Blue and Red are the only ones I've played. They're god tier.

>>2219258
This.
I'll never come back to what I felt playing Gold at night, wandering from city to city while my friends at school were still in Kanto because their father didn't work for Nintendo.

>>2220345
I think what he means is that he is from one of the 205 sovereign states in the world that aren't Japan, therefore Green was mysterious because no one he knew had played it. Faggot.

Best pokemon from the 90's?

My vote goes to pic related.

>>2219492
Doesn't that defeat the point of challenging them with lower level pokemon when you just reload to get the desired outcome?

>>2220326
I loved that feeling. Im living in Japan now and track down all kinds of old pokemon shit. Its dirt cheap and everywhere. I love the art style of the older gens

>>2222042
the point was avoiding grind, more than enjoying low levels.

it replaced one type of grind with another for the most part, but factoring in other time losses (walking back to gym, etc) it was still probably faster to save-state

>>2222014
Huh, I was gonna say the game came out in 2000, but it was actually 1999. It also reminds me of those equally humorous, equally lewd comics between it and Zoroark.

Shame that 9_6 is a total fucking fag who deletes messages on sight. Can't actually respond, can you?

>>2221294

This

Do you realize what modeling and animating every single pokemon takes by itself?

>>2220326
The pre-gold/silver era was chock full of speculation about anything that wasn't released yet or not released outside of Japan. The tall tales told amongst grade schoolers were infinite and exaggerated beyond common sense. It's partly what made Pokemon a whole craze/subculture for those few years. Being a naive kid when it was released made indulging in the franchise a much bigger deal than picking it up as a teen or older. So many good memories, man.

>>2222014
I think I was the only kid that preferred this guy over Charizard

>>2219423
Disappointment of the century

>>2222598
>>2219423
hopes and dreams

>>2222598
It's all about the adventure, anon.

>>2219231
I never really got into the actual games, only the cartoon and merchandise. I'm thinking possibly if there were more games like Puzzle League based on the anime, I probably would have played them more. My cousin did have Pokemon Snap and Pokemon Stadium, though. I remember the minigames in the latter being fun.

>>2219423

>>2222349
>tall tales
Reading/talking about the Pokegods and how to get them. Those were the days. Something like that will never happen again.
I think that was the most fun I've ever had as a fan of anything.

how can you play gen 1 and 2 (remakes if necessary) on modern consoles ?
it should be made available on Virtual console or some shit

>>2223097
You can't. Best you could do is either softmod a Wii and emulate on that, or play FireRed/LeafGreen on a Gameboy Player.

I think a 3DS VC release of Red/Blue with local multiplayer would be the raddest shit. There's a lot of nostalgia power behind those games, moreso than any of the other ones, and Nintendo/Game Freak would be smart to capitalize on it. But it'll never happen and instead we'll get a re-remake of Gen 1 when the next Nintendo handheld comes out (we won't be getting it on 3DS - all those Kanto pokes are in XY for a reason) for $40 that's as soulless and casualized as ever.

>>2223235
Doesn't need to be Fire Red/Leaf Green on the Gameboy Player. Game boy/game boy color games work fine.

>>2219902
>>2221983
it's probably been like ~15 years since I've heard this music, and I remember it perfectly.

>>2222054
just curious anon, how is that? Are you white (or just non-asian) and how do you sustain yourself there (like how are carreers there)?

I loved it as a kid, but it didn't age well
I tried to play yellow again and beat every gym with only a Nidoking and a Haunter, and I'm pretty sure I could beat everything with just the Nidoking. I guess the fun part really was collecting good Pokemon so you could beat the other kids in the school break.

Are the new games more difficult than the first two generations?

>>2223397
>Are the new games more difficult than the first two generations?
no

>>2223406
So the nerds spending hours talking about pokemon strategies in my campus just enjoy over complicating a incredibly easy battle system?

>>2223415
that's how pokemon has always been, anyone who takes competative pokemon seriously should be drinking the fluids in the cupboard under the sink

>>2223406
>>2223415
See, you are making the assumption that the strategies they talk about are for the story/postgame content. They aren't. The story modes of Pokémon has always been pretty easy. The part where you might need strategy comes from the competitive battling scene.
>>2223423
The competitive battling scene of Pokémon has always been deep. Its gotten deeper as the games go on thanks to the sheer amout of possible Pokémon and movesets you can have make up a team. It's almost impossible plan for every contingency in a battle. The competitive scene is basically a contest of out-manoeuvering your opponent. It's pretty strategic when both battlers are actually decent and don't copy and paste Smogon's favorite sets.

>>2224074
>rock paper scissors
>deep
pick one.

>>2224128
pls

http://www.worldrps.com/advanced.html

>>2224128
>>2224131
Exactly, its all a fucking mind game. "Which set does that Landorus-Therian have? Is it Scarfed or Banded? Maybe it's defensive." There are many possibilities to chose from, so unpredictability is a major factor in the game.

>>2219530
repels, but exploring those islands near mossdeep and scoping the trenches was freaking cool even if there was nothing there :(

>>2219372
Not really. The original Pokemon stats and movesets were made with the old system in mind. If anything, when DP first came out, the split fucked over shit pokemon even more by increasing the gap between good 'mons and not so good mons. Just look at Gyarados. High attack originally balanced by making his main STAB run off his low special, so you're forced to use non-stab to take advantage of the higher stat, which makes Gyara not as "broken." Then the split came and he got his cake and ate it too. Don't even want to mention the dreaded physical dragon STAB move that basically forced you to run two steel types per team.

It was just GF's way of "balancing" RPG aspects in-game and out, and made the player think about which moves made for better strategy. Of course, the track record shows GF is garbage at balancing for PvP. Every game has made the power creep worse. Ideally, the split would've just granted lower tier 'mons, like Flareon, useable STAB and left the late game pseudos work around their already good stats.

Oh well. Pokemon's never really been balanced anyway. and I'm rambling. but yeah. The split does not affect the way the old games are played, because they were designed before it was even an issue.

>>2219512
Nah dude. You're looking at it through the eyes of the later games. It was fucking magical when it first came out.

>Beat last boss
>OH SHIT LOOK SECOND QUEST GO BACK TO THE FIRST GAME SEE HOW SHIT CHANGED THE LORE OH GOD
>Eventually beat the REAL last boss, that was the protag from the last game
>2Deep4me HYPE AS FUCK

sure, you can complain about level curve and empty kanto, but let's not kid ourselves. 8 extra badges of fun is wayyy more postgame than even the recent games can claim to. and remember, these are children's games. They're meant to be not hard.

I would say, Gold/Silver are arguably the best RPG's on the system.

>>2220382
>MUH 00s TROPICAL THEME

>>2224369
>Gyarados
>Low Special before the split

Gyarados was effectively a pseudo-legendary in Gen 1. At base 100 special and the ability to learn stuff like Surf, Ice Beam, Blizzard, Fire Blast and Thunderbolt, Gyarados was probably one of the best pokemon that gen.

The only thing that made Gyara balanced was that he was slower than anything carrying a strong enough thunberbolt to kill him.

I laugh at competitive battlers. They try to play a balanced metagame where balance is hardly existant in the core game itself. On the handhelds, it has taken years for the system required to make meta Pokemon actually not too retarded and even then it's still dumb. Besides that, GF is extremely underwhelming and lazy with Pokemon. They only get a pass because it's Pokemon and kids aren't smart enough yet to see the bullshit.

>>2219394
Yes. Fuckwits have already beat the game with two super low level pokes.

I probably sound rhetorical but I'm probably one of the few people who likes GSC's Kanto.

Yes I know it doesn't have much content which was probably because of time constraints since the release was constantly delayed causing also financial troubles to Game Freak (there are some old interviews about that) and because of the company's known laziness/incompetence, but I like the way it is.

It is kinda explained in the game via signs, messages and NPC talk, Kanto is passing through a transitional phase since many people have left the region and moved to Johto to find better living opportunites, also some places are being renovated, here's why many places are inaccessible (Bike Shop, Pewter Museum, for example), also there's a critical and tense situation in the region, see the eruption that forced Cinnabar to be abandoned, the collapsed Cerulean Cave and the trouble around the Underground Path causing it to be shut down.
All of this gives a sense of cozy loneliness and melancholy to Kanto, especially at night, and I love that, also because as I said before it was explained in-game, for example there's a message in the Celadon Mansion's PC:
"Someone was in the
middle of compos-
ing an e-mail.

...I hope you'll
come visit KANTO.

I think you'll be
surprised at how

much things have
changed here.

You'll also see
many POKéMON that

aren't native to
JOHTO.

To the PRODUCER"

Also GSC Kanto not only had nice hidden places like the Mt.Moon square, but also some cool hidden easter eggs that give the region an extra layer of "life", see here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX-MnRXOwf4

Yes I would have loved to have a full-fledged Kanto in GSC style and I hope someone does that in a hack someday maybe, also I liked how HGSS had more stuff that wasn't in GSC, in fact in my head I place HGSS in a timeline after GSC, since some places are now reopened (Museum, Bike Shop, Cerulean Cave, for example).

>>2222054
Just look at the the box on the left.
That ilustration is LOVE.
Is so fucking badass , so fucking good.
Why pokemon cant be like this anymore

>>2222589
I fucking loved that dude. I remember (ok my family told me) sleeptalking "must get dragonite".
I had been leveling my dratini like hell the day before.
The day after the sleeptalking my prophecy came true and Dratini evolved into Dragonite. It was fucking epic.

>>2224635
>Dratini
of course I meant Dragonair

gen 1 and gen 2 are my favourites. i really feel the game lost it's touch after gen 3, and i won't even comment about the joke the series turned into with that megaevolution crap. sometimes i still play them again, just out of nostalghia. a gameboy with pokemon yellow when i was 10 was the best present i ever received in my life, shit made me so happy for so many months.

>>2220926
Only the remakes of Gold and Silver. RSE didn't even mention anything about new regions, and there was no night and day like GSC. Then DPPl came out and Jasmine makes a cameo appearance, looking off into the water, talking about her coming "from a far away place". Her name or Johto is never mentioned by name, but her design is distinctive. I haven't played the newer games, DP left a terrible taste in my mouth.

>playing Yellow
>Rock Tunnel, need Flash
>Ah okay, well I don't want to teach Pikachu it but I have Venonat too. I guess I'll teach it, I can always get it deleted at the move deleter
>teach it
>learn there is no move deleter

;_; I'm going to have to Gameshark it but I can't find my GBC Gameshark anywhere. Fucking Flash.

>>2225828
just ditch that shit venonat in a box

i didn't know there was no move deleter in yellow.
Fuck whoever made HM a must have and unable to be deleted, what's the fucking point?

Incredibly simplistic but fun.

G&S was my shit. Sunk a whole summer into it. It felt magical at the time. Now I go back to it and it just seems empty and I'm totally burned out on the series as a whole.

at the time, i thought they were great, now at 25 i can say that i do not think they've aged well, and often wonder how i even managed to finish red multiple times without losing interest

>>2223390
I'm a white guy (American) and I live out here because im in the military. Ive been here for like 6 years. Careers for foreigners require a bachelors degree I believe. I would like to stay here in the future outside of the military and my wife is Japanese so I kind of have my in already for a Visa

>>2224632
I wish they would go back to this. That is the kind of stuff I look for when I go searching for retro vidya

>>2219231
I wish Vidya Artist would use traditional mediums like watercolor again. I miss that aesthetic.

>>2222054
500 yen!? What the fuck?

>>2226182
Ya. Used book stores have had the cheapest vidya/strategy guides ive seen so far

>>2219241
By the time the Mew Glitch was discovered, gen 3 had already been out for a few years, and you can't even trade pokemon from gen 1 to gen 3, so yeah... it was discovered too late for anyone to really give a shit.

>>2225715
I see, thanks

>>2224625
I don't get the reference to the photo of people fishing...

>>2226754
I'm guessing it's a nod at the numerous Fishing Gurus you meet around Kanto. They're all brothers and each one will give you a different type of rod.

>>2219423
a little kknown fact is that you actually can get mew in the north american version legitamately if you have all 150 pokemon the first time you speak to the staff at celadon. i dont know why it only happens the first time and usually people speak to them very early in the game so it goes unnoticed

>>2226783
My dad works at Nintendo to.

>>2219412
You fight Oak, he has a team of six gen-2 pokemon, all level 80+, and his sixth pokemon is a level 90 Mewthree. If you beat him, he gives you the Triforce, and if you take it to the Forgotten City you can bring Aeris back to life.

>>2220485
I like the oldschool Pokemon games as much as anyone, but come the fuck on.

>>2226769
Ah, of course, thanks

>>2226783
That's not true.

>>2226927
>>2226783
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgeOPyntJ-k
fun fact: Oak can actually be challenged by using the Mew glitch, he has the same team as Blue, only with higher levels, meaning that his battle was programmed into the game and that he probably had to be fought after Blue, maybe to grant the final access to Cerulean Cave for Mewtwo.

>>2226931
He has a point. RBY was made by an ambitious team of programmers who barely had any idea of how programming worked and asked programmers to interpret art into a format that a video game could display. It was a success. The success would have been no different if the graphics were better drawn, or if the MacGyver-like programming was fixed.

The first games felt like you were a kid going on an adventure around your country. The newer games basically consist of rich upper-class sissy boys and tramps going around on a trip beating on children so that they can dress themselves up in sissier clothing or giving their Scrafty a monocle.

>Charizard, a winged dragon, can't learn Fly
>Doduo, a flightless bird, can
Out of all the stupid/broken/bugged shit in Gen 1, this pisses me off the most. I always trade my Charizard up to Gold and back so I can teach it Fly and it can get some benefit out of the added type.

>>2228145
>Dragonite still can't learn Fly in Yellow
I'm more pissed about that

>>2228145
Charizard can learn Fly in Yellow, though. If I remember right, that is. Even so, doesn't it learn Wing Attack, which is fundamentally a better move? 65 base damage compared to 70, and can be used in one turn instead of 2?

>>2228376
Charizard didn't get Wing Attack until Gen 2, and Wing Attack was garbage in Gen 1 anyway, with only 35 power.

>>2228384
Huh, I could've sworn it learned Wing Attack in Gen 1. Guess my memory isn't that great then. Flying attacks in general were garbage, so might as well teach it Sky Attack assuming, again, it could learn it. It's a stronger Fly, but you aren't immune for one turn.

my then-new friends got me into pokemon in 2004 and i started with silver and to this day it is still one of my favorites
>tfw most of them aren't into pokemon anymore and one even dropped vidya altogether

Pokemon Yellow was the first game I ever played, at five or so, on a hand-me-down transparent-purple Game Boy Color from my oldest brother.

Gen I Lasses were my first waifu ever.

To me, the first generation was a REALLY immersive game because I grew up on the island of Karpathos, Greece, and remember taking my GBC with me to the occasional field trips our school used to have. We also used to have a relatively small farm with some chickens, and I think some sheep, which further alluded to the whole immersion. I never got the chance to trade my Gen1 Pokemon to Gen2 to teach them moves (there was only one kid with a Link cable on the whole island), and when I did (when I came to the USA and bought them off eBay), it was WAY past the post where they lost relevance. It was a nice feeling, but completely insignificant now. Now you can trade and battle Pokemon online without meeting people, which further removes human interaction.

>>2229048
but opens the possibility of actually ever battling or trading, ever.
i got a GBA in like 2002 and never met anyone with a gameboy, i shoved the link cable up my ass, literally

>>2219231
Blue was one of my first games, and Gen 2 blew my fucking mind with how good of a sequel it was.

>>2229073
i just knew a single kid with a gameboy, red and a link cable in my school and we hated each other guts

we would still trade and play though. i received many pokemons named "die", "fuck", "penis" and other funny things.

So believe it or not, I never played Gen 2. I played the absolute shit out of Gen 1 (all three versions to boot) when I was a kid, and even revisited it a few times as a teenager. But even though I was hyped as fuck for Gen 2, I never actually ended up playing it. Not quite sure why. I think it was a combination of my family being poor and not having a GBC, and perhaps the fact that it came out a year too late for me, and I thought I outgrew Pokemon by then or some shit (despite still loving the first gen). I did know about emulation, but by then I had moved on to the newer consoles.

Anyway, I've since played Emerald, Platinum, and now hold in my possession both Crystal and Soul Silver. Now I don't know which one to play. Should I play the version I should have played so long ago, or the updated version with more shit and prettier graphics?

>>2229085

>go to name rater
>"it's stupendous, brilliant, the perfect name!"
>can never change it

>>2229120

>not having a gbc

But you could play gold and silver on the original Gameboy. Not crystal though, I don't think.

>>2229120
I'd say try out Crystal first. I prefer its color palette and some of the remixes in HGSS are pretty bad, like Goldenrod city.

>>2229120
play crystal first then soulsilver
hg/ss have some stuff from crystal in it and you'd probably appreciate the crystal stuff more
i couldn't, i never played crystal

>>2229138
I couldn't even afford the game. By the time I could, I had lost interest in Pokemon. I only revisited the series relatively recently.

Ah, fuck. This time of year I always get a weird feeling of nostalgia. Like pretty much everyone else my age (except my friends, for some reason...) I have such fond memories of gen 1 Pokemon. I have no idea why the first few warm days of spring make me think of that, though. For the last several years I've always ended up playing through blue version sometime in February or March.

I'm feeling it this year too, but I'm thinking maybe this time I should move up to Crystal version? Or would Gold hit the spot better? Who knows... I wish I had my cartridges. Last time I was at my parent's house I looked for them, but I could only find my non-pokemon gameboy games. I must've set them all aside somewhere special and forgotten about it.

I wonder if I should ever play a later generation Pokemon game? When gen 3 came out I was getting a little too old for that shit, and I was really upset that they moved away from the original Dex and region (which gen 2 at least made a gesture towards retaining). Now I have to admit I'm at least a little curious about the first round of DS generation games. I never owned that console though.

>>2229234

Try fire red or leaf green. I was sceptical, but I played leaf green a year ago and I fell in love with it. I will always adore the glitchiness and graphics of the originals, but the remakes are like how Pokemon was always supposed to be.

(Also I decided to do the no pokemon center challenge, playing through the whole game without ever full-healing at pokemon center or anywhere else, or by depositing and withdrawing pokemon. Oh, and not using the move deleter to reuse HMs for infinite PP. This added to the excitement, as I really felt like I was on a dangerous quest, that I could get stuck and not be able to journey any further; it add a new challenge and risk to the game.)

If you find you like that, try Ruby or Sapphire which are also very good but might not fire you up because they don't trigger your nostalgia in the same way. Beyond gen 3 it gets all animated and 2.5d and blarg.

>>2229234
4th and 5th gen is nice, but 6th gen is lackluster

>>2229252
Is 6th gen B&W? I think I have heard that XY (and apparently they have sequels? How does that work? Is it like Final Fantasy X 2?) were a disappointment, but I guess not everyone agrees with that.

>>2229264
4th gen is d/p/pt
5th gen is b/w/2
6th gen is x/y

bw2 are sequels, they have different protagonists and it takes place in the same region but there's a bunch of new places and features and a better post-game

>>2229272
forgot to add that x and y is kanto 2.0
mostly new pokemon until post-game, small region, a weird plot, and absolutely no post-game other than a battle tower clone that looks boring
the engine is also crappy and battles constantly lag even with the 3d off
oras is much better, but it didn't add as much as frlg and hgss

I love the entire period of my life when red and blue came out. How everyone played it, not just a few...EVERYONE at school knew and played Pokemon.

I remember how I left my Gameboy over by my science experiment as I went to do something else, came back and stopped someone from stealing my Articuno.

I remember the boy down the street having a temper tantrum because his 7 year old sister got the holofolo charizard and he didn't.

My memories of my mother being in the hospital coincide with my catching mewtwo. I remember being at summer camp, catching rapidash, and being in the car with grandma when I finally beat the elite four.

To say Pokemon didn't play a role in my life as a youngster would be a lie, and that is why I still love it to this day.

They haven't aged well but one thing I liked about gen 1 is that the more "natural" pokemon (normal/flying/ground/grass) are dirt common; while the more "magical" pokemon types (fire/ice/psychic/etc.) are actually rather rare until the midgame.

There's like... ONE wild fire pokemon before you get to Cinnabar Isand.

>>2229275
>tfw I got a 3DS and Pokemon Y right before ORAS came out

Buyer's remorse, I should have just waited. I kind of liked the idea of being able to buy clothes and customize my character, but it's a lame gimmick that adds nothing to the game.

>>2229296

Only dragon type is the Dratini line.

Only ghost type is the Ghastly line.

For some reason this always drove me mad and I kept pointing it out to everyone.

>>2229308
the customization was fun but you're right, it adds nothing
it pisses me off when people whine about oras not having it

i also hate how easy the games have become. holy shit gamefreak, please stop trying to pander to the mobile audience

>>2229296
>>2229313
this. I noticed not too long ago, when i tried not picking charizard. Fuck bug pokemon at the beggining always, fuck ratatas, fuck grass pokemon, fuck not being able to get a gengar, fuck caves, zubats, geodudes, onixes.
Diversity please

>>2229334
And fuck bug/poison pokemon. Every bug pokemon in gen 1 was bug/poison except Scyther and Pinsir. Bug and ghost were the only types with a resistance against psychic, and it was nullified by the fact that they all have poison as their second type.

Once you get a good psychic pokemon, there's literally no reason to use anything else for the rest of the game. Of course in link battles, there's plenty of viable anti-psychic builds, but I'm just talking singleplayer here. A kadabra can easily solo any trainer in the game.

>>2229374
It's fitting how in the anime, they hyped psychic pokemon up to be the scariest shit. Just look at this sinister motherfucker.

>>2229317
Neverr go intot business. You'rre asking a ompanyy to deliberatly cost themselves money. Also the series is for children you dolt, it's always been easy and always will be.

>>2229385
it has been easy yeah but they even said themselves they made it even easier to try to reel in the kids who only play phone games
needless to say it didn't work much

>>2229374
>Every bug pokemon in gen 1 was bug/poison except Scyther and Pinsir

Literally only the Beedrill and Venomoth families were poison.

>>2229395
He means the only bug type Pokemon that learn a bug type move such that they can take advantage of their type advantage over psychic. Of course I don't think scyther or pinsir lean pin missile, so...

>>2229374

BUT, what is often overlooked is that those devastating gen 1 psychic types (particularly the Abra line) have a sort of 'hidden weakness' in that they have a pathetically low defence stat, meaning that if you hit them with some meaty physical-typed attacks like Megapunch then they go down pretty quickly.

I guess the problem then becomes that some of the strongest-attacking pokemon you can easily get to train in the first half of the game are either fighting type (hitmons, machoke, primape) or poison type (nidoking and queen).

>>2229427

But Jolteon did.

>>2229317
>i also hate how easy the games have become
I always point that out and people lose their shit. They say the newest pokemons are hard as fuck and Black and White were the hardest pokemon ever almost as challenging as a SMT game and that ORAS was way harder than the originals and shit

>>2230396
Black and White were, in my experience, more difficult than the six retro games. Of course it simply translated into being a headache-inducing experience to grind for the first half of the game. Probably why so many consider Gen V sub-par.

Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire were piss easy. I legitimately felt insulted when I was UNABLE TO FAIL catching Rayquaza, and swept Wally's team in the Victory Road encounter with ease. It was still fun, but there was absolutely no challenge so whoever told you that can eat a sack of shit.

>>2230419

>probably why so many consider Gen V sub-par

In my experience, most current Pokemon fans praise bw as the best ever released. I've never heard anyone criticise them. It seems to be gen 4 that comes in for the most hatred among fans.

>>2230423
I guess I've been hanging around the same crowd too often. No one I know considers them anything special.
I definitely consider Gen IV better. Better music, better Pokemon/character designs, better enemy team. It's my second favorite Gen behind II.

>>2230427

Do you not think there's something a little cheap about the gen 1 evolutions they added in diamond and pearl? Felt somehow that they were trying to cash in on gen 1 nostalgia and some evolutions like Rhyperior, Magnezone, Magmortar etc just felt kind of desperate to me, especially compared to gen3 which I think had an array of great, brand new pokemon ideas and designs.

>>2230428
Oh God yes, I think those were dumb. I avoided using them though.
Gen IV felt closer to Gen II than Gen I to me though. Maybe they were subtly hinting at the upcoming remakes in some way.

>>2230428
While I didn't like those evolutions at first, and still don't like some of them, I feel like at least they were fairly warranted, as most of them were for Pokemon that really needed evolutions. I warmed up to them after trying them out on teams and finding how how they played. I think it's a lot more respectable than all of the mega evolutions that have been introduced in Gen VI for popular Pokemon that don't need to be buffed and end up overpowered.

>>2230684

Ha. Yes. Good point on the megaevolutions.

As a gen one nostalgiac, believe me, the idea of third-stage evolutions to old pokemon was very exciting to me. It was like the rumours and fake secrets of my childhood had come true. But that's exactly why I think it was probably a bad idea; doing that instead of doing something fresh; appealing to old excitements rather than building up something new.

But whatever, they're okay. Same as the babies from gen 2, I guess.

>>2230720
Babby pokemon make sense from a game design perspective though, because it forces you to use the breeding mechanic to get all the pokemon.

>>2230720
>It was like the rumours and fake secrets of my childhood had come true
This was actually the feeling I had about Diamond/Pearl/Platinum legendaries. The PokeGods and rumors become sort of a reality, especially if you take into account the Giratina encounter of the originals just being out of fuck nowhere.

>>2230423
>best ever released
Eeeeeh... while I like some things about it the game kind of takes Pokemon's flaws and makes them huge. For example Pokemon was never ever about story, and it really shows between both games as plotholes are easy to find as asking the most simple question about the whole thing. It wouldn't be that bad if you weren't forced to sit though it every time.

Pokemon's always been about exploring and learning about the region, getting the badges, and sacking some criminals in the process. Sitting through too much plot and handholding kind of makes this a bit of a chore.

>>2219231
Best example of Nintendo's bullshit

>Make early game that is flawed but has potential
>Make version of game that has better production value but still retains flaws
>Every game after is the same thing

Pokemon is the worst series to intentionally retains flaws for the sake of nostalgia. It's a design choice.

>>2230330
That "hidden" weakness is a moot point once you consider the speed on those fuckers is insane.

In gen2 before all the physical/special splits (both the elemental and attack style) you could storm the game with one, count it one Kadabra. Letting it learn the 3 elemental punches and Psychic you had a rape machine that could hit first, hit hard, and 90% of the time pull off an elemental weakness hit.

>>2231164
I thought I was the only one who did that. All my friends thought I cheated when my kadabra came out.

This thread made me feel all warm and cozy inside after a lousy evening. Think I might fire up Gold and play it in bed like the good old days when life was fun, before I turned into a shitty boring adult. Wish I still had my wormlight though.

By the way, here's an upcoming indie game that looks fantastic. I'm pretty thrilled by the concept, hope it lives up to what I want from it.

http://collectemsgame.com/

>inb4 viral

>>2231660
>pokemon fangame on everything except nintendo

looks good anyway

>>2231665
I'm not sure why that is but they mention in the FAQ that they want it on Nintendo systems. Guess we'll see.

>>2231660
>This thread made me feel all warm and cozy

I know that feel, reading through all this took me back to a time before handholding in games, back when snow still fell over the Christmas holidays in my part of the world before global warming fucked it all up, back when rumours would fly everywhere before the internet was huge and everything you needed to know was just a click away.

Ah, nostalgia

>>2229374
I figure that Chansey and Snorlax were sort of hard counters against Psychic in gen 1, the latter especially since he was physical attacking oriented. But what I really loved about Gen 1 is having a Chansey know a bunch of special attacks (Ice beam, Solarbeam, Psychic, Thunderbolt, Bubblebeam, and many others) as well as a recovery move (Rest, Softboiled), and it was a REALLY good special attacker with really good defense. The Chansey family then became stallers starting with Gen 2.

>>2231660
>cluttered, over complicated UI
>Game Boy graphics with NES music
>faux retro homage to Nintendo games exclusively available on Playstation

>>2231672
Probably has something to do with the fact that Nintendo hasn't been a relevant market for third party devs for over 20 years, while Playstation has been relevant for 20 years and counting.

>>2232369
>back when snow still fell over the Christmas holidays in my part of the world
same here, but we've been getting less and less snow every year recently
in 2009 there was a massive snowstorm and then some freezing rain and everything was frozen for a week
we didn't get shit last year and it didn't start snowing until mid january

>>2230331
Jolteon is a fucking champ in gen 1
>faster than alakazam
>huge special
>learns pin missile
get fucked psychic nerds

>>2232369
>the rumors
Maybe this is why I'm only interested in new Pokemon when the leaks and hype happen.

>>2219281
Now that was true nostalgia

Red was my first Pokemon game but this and Crystal will probably be the games closest to my heart.

>>2223397
>>2223406
As someone who has played basically every single Pokemon game, I can say the only hard ones are Platinum, Black/White 2 on Challenge Mode and possibly FireRed/LeafGreen. The rest are all fairly easy.

>>2220757
For me general rule of thumb is

Newer Gens are better when battling

Older Gens are better when collecting

Whole point of Pokemon is collecting gotta catch em all! after all, and it's difficult now that each Gen has 5 games and approaching 1000 pokemon to collect

On the other hand though people say they like the obvious balancing issues and even outright gliches in Gen I, they wouldn't forgive most of this shit if it appeared in other RPGs.

>>2233356
As someone who has played basically every single pokemon game, what part of any those games was hard? The only games I found difficult were the pokemon stadium games when you had to use their pokemon and a level 100 would still have fucking tackle and tail whip.

>>2232645
I sadly don't get any of that anymore. All the hype stopped for me after Gen 3. Now I just end up buying whatever is the current game about a year after it comes out