/vr/ - Retro Games

===NEWS===

[02-10] Another BDv20 test release: http://www.mediafire.com/download/p40aj6vklq76tt5/brutal20test-feb10-2015.zip

[02-07] Valiant, a 32-map megawad for MBF-compatible ports, by skillsaw: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1342825

[02-01] 50 monsters E1: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/71625-50-monsters-e1/

[01-30] Hocus Doom update: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18675596/Doomstuff/hocusdoom-01-24-15.pk3

[01-29] Eriance retires, releases all remaining Demon Eclipse resources: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=809621#p809621 https://www.dropbox.com/s/5cyq8ainn1knnd7/DEHEv01.rar?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/oh965ifww68270z/DEHE-RES.rar?dl=0

[01-26] You can finally upload stuff to /idgames again, seems like Ty took care of the issue.

[01-26] Devs Play feat. Romero http://www.doomworld.com/vb/doomworld-news/71519-devs-play-doom/

[01-26] Mythbusters does Doom http://www.doomworld.com/vb/doomworld-news/71568-have-you-seen-my-chainsaw/

[01-26] /newstuff Chronicles 472: http://www.doomworld.com/php/topstory.php?id=4329

[01-23] Russian Overkill v2.3 update: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=809099#p809099

[01-22] 3 heures d'agonie 3 has been launched a few days ago, no information on how many maps have been done so far. This time rules are a little more strict and a certain quality standart is required to improvave the wad's global quality.

[01-17] New Push release v0.6b. Banners for everybody. http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=47076

[01-17] Jungle Spirits, a WIP project for Plutonia by Jimmy, new levels, music, sprites and textures: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/67749-jungle-spirits-merry-christmas-beta-3-is-out-o/

[01-17] Crumpets, 6 maps by Ribbiks: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/69135-crumpets-wad-6-maps/

[01-17] /newstuff Chronicles 471: http://www.doomworld.com/php/topstory.php?id=4313

[12-27] Refrigerator Magnets: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1332124

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Please reply to this post with news.

Also I don't know if the fellow who was having trouble getting Pr+ to run for any length of time without crashing is still here, but, it seems you are not the only one, there is a bug in some new improved-accuracy rendering code. It is being worked on.

http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1343052

anybody ever compile zdoom for dos? anybody ever make a source port that runs on dos?

I want something visually vanilla and allows me to play the gorillion wads out there.

>>2229352
The original Boom was for DOS. I'm sure there were a few others, too.

What's 50 monsters E1?

>>2229254
>a pic I made as a joke in a /v/ drawthread is OP of a doom thread

I feel so honored, thank you OP!

doom is cool

>>2229254
>Sexy OP
>No QT demons

For shame, /vr/, for shame.

This is simultaneously the funniest thing I've seen all day and the scariest thing I've seen all day.

>>2229460
dude what

>>2229460
the fuck are those

>>2229478

They look like doom 3 cyberdemons, but not sure.

>>2229478

>pic related

>>2228896

That's just the basic punch combo that's triggered by discarding the sword then tapping the fire button

http://i.imgur.com/KCJwNy2.gif

>>2229445

This is the best post I've seen all week.

Doom IS cool

Why?

>>2229531
Because you touch yourself at night.

>>2229531

because the world needs more engaging gameplay

>>2229531
>walk into the red key room in map04 of Jungle Spirits
>know it's a trap
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>`, quit

>>2229531
Because you're playing a slaughtermap pack anon.

>>2229540

>Jungle Spirits

for a Plutonia pwad, it's pretty easy. and I think sooner or later people are slowly going to hate it because of that

the new monster sprites are awesome though.

>>2229543
Oh, it's definitely very easy, but revenant traps are still the bane of my existence. Unpredictable chucklefucks.

>>2229541
Make sense.

>>2229460
what mod?

>>2229489
Wow. It was so jarring to see them flying around in full lighting and colours I couldn't even recognize them.

Oh yeah, there's a game of fastdm going on if you want some old-fashioned deathmatch.

I was thinking about the replies I got last thread. I might finally learn to B-E and throw on some samsara invasion and DM/TDM of your choosing.

>>2229256
does know that his new gibs are making elevators get stuck and breaking dozens of levels entirely?

>>2229562
Hunter's Moon.

>>2229653
>does mark know*

>>2229653
on the test version uploaded yesterday?

Alright, is there anyway to make secret doors less obvious on the automap?
Pic related, the player should not be able to see this.

>>2229685
I think you tag the line as secret. It's a checkbox along with impassable, lower/upper unpegged etc.

>>2229254
>Let's post like gentlemen
this is what i visualize every time i read this

Is there anybody here that's really good at ACS scripting?

>>2229697

It's a Street Fighter quote.
"Let's fight like gentlemen."

>>2229694
Thanks, that did it.
For some reason I was thinking secret could only be applied to sectors.

>>2229708
Yeah, I didn't know about it myself when I was making my maps for that speedmapping thing a few months ago, so all of my secret doors are viewable on the map.

>>2229706
I doubt think it's referencing that specific use. That would be kind like saying any odd book that happens to use a common phrase is specifically referencing something else that also uses the same common phrase.

>>2229721

It was, since my OP was the first that used it, and I had Street Fighter on the mind.

>>2229721

>pic

high level chortling

>>2229721
Then you could exactly say that about the fedora man. Its a common expression that he was able to appropriate.

Brightmaps on monsters and textures.

Worth using? Or stupid gimmicky bullshit?

>>2229724
hopefully knowing this will prevent me from cringing every time there is a new thread

>>2229731

Brightmaps are cool, but those filters are awful.

>>2229731
>>2229734

>>2229705
what do you need to know

>>2229734

/topic

>>2229741
I was working on a level a while ago and got sidetracked but now (unless something big happens in the next month) I'm coming back to it.

I want to script an exploding wall in ACS, like it blows up when hit by a rocket, Duke Nukem style.

Normally this is easily enough done (examples showing how to do it already exist) but I want my level to work with gameplay mods as well, otherwise I'd have done it by now. Current examples only allow Doom's rocket launcher.

How I'd see the scenario going is like this.

>there is a separate, invisible actor that controls the wall blowing up, it has size 0 so only blast damage affects it
>When it dies, it spawns a rocket explosion, then triggers a script
>Script does 2 things
>1'st thing is over a couple of seconds it triggers some other cosmetic explosions and the "earthquake" effect
>during the explosion sequence, the wall instantly changes size to be the "hole" in the wall

That's it.

>>2229662
yeah, been happening for me all over doom 2

>>2229761
Oh yeah, the script's actor exists on the other side of the wall as well, but if it's blown up then the other one sort of "deactivates"....don't know how to do that (unless both are run at the same time? or will that fuck it out?)

If you can't see how to do it, a referral to what specific parts of ACS tutorials I should be reading (or even just an incomplete script) to work from would be great. It's all optional though, I wouldn't make demands of anybody here.

Anyway, I have to go for a lesson now but I'll be back in a few hours, many thanks in advance.

>>2229761
You could definitely do it like that, the windows in Hacx are like cacodemon actors.

new hdoom update

>>2229721
That Revenant boner.

>>2229761
That should work, and I think I'm the guy that talked to you before and gave you that barrel wad.

Are you asking if that will work (it sounds like it will) or how exactly to go about it code-wise?

>>2229796
>but if it's blown up then the other one sort of "deactivates"....don't know how to do that (unless both are run at the same time? or will that fuck it out?)

Didn't see this post before I replied.

Just have a regular map-scope variable (one declared outside any scripts) and have the script change it to 1, and do nothing if it's at one.

Basically

int wallblownup; //all acs variables are set to zero at initialization

script 1 (void){
if(wallblownup == 0){
wallblownup = 1;
<rest of script> }
else{
terminate; }
}

The other actor will still get die from radius damage but it won't do anything when it does.

You could also go about this by removing the actor itself, but then you have to set a tid for the actors, and it's not foolproof if both get killed in the same tic, since the script then will activate concurrently for both.

>>2229915
>Barrel Wad

That's correct, I've looked over that but what I want to do can really only work in ACS.

I know it will work, the main issue is the code.

>>2229797
Is it done in ACS?
I'll look it up.

>>2229927
Did you make this in a level?
Otherwise I'll screencap your post and refer back to it. Though if I can't figure it out after looking over ACS scripts I'll probably have to come back here sometime in the next few weeks.

>>2230014
The barrel wad had both acs and decorate to accomplish it, since the "barrel" was actually map architecture.

I've not used that exact script, but basically the same thing in a wad. Having it in a wad wouldn't really help learning it I don't think, since it's basically just what was put there.

>>2230027
Sorry, I thought I was talking about somebody else because I had you mistaken.

I was thinking of a map that was a wall of barrels that blew up and it's all in Doom format. Just loaded up your one now, oops.

>>2230046
>>2230027
So I'm looking over this script and I have a question.

If you wanted multiple explosions like this would you have to create a new actor for each new explosion? Or 1 actor which you can create multiple times and have different actions for?

Like for example, assign a zombieman to drop a red key, blue key or yellow key. Will a new zombieman have to exist to drop each type of key? Or can I just assign a script to one and say "on this guys death, activate a script that summons a key"?

I'm trying to find the "on death" script line now, I could have sworn I'd have seen it but I don't know if I type it in ACS myself or if that's an option available in the thing editor.

>>2230075
>If you wanted multiple explosions like this would you have to create a new actor for each new explosion? Or 1 actor which you can create multiple times and have different actions for?
>Like for example, assign a zombieman to drop a red key, blue key or yellow key. Will a new zombieman have to exist to drop each type of key? Or can I just assign a script to one and say "on this guys death, activate a script that summons a key"?

You could use an actor arg (which you would set in your map editor) to pass to the script as an argument, and then have a switch in the script based upon which number it received to do different things. I'm not sure if you could actually specify the script number itself with the arg, but if not you could always have the script that it calls call other completely different scripts in a switch.

http://zdoom.org/wiki/Actor_properties#Args
http://zdoom.org/wiki/Switch/Case

>I'm trying to find the "on death" script line now, I could have sworn I'd have seen it but I don't know if I type it in ACS myself or if that's an option available in the thing editor.

Just call the script directly in the actor's death state, since you have to create the decorate for the actor anyway. If you want to have the actor be multiple-use, then have it pass the an argument to the script like I said above.

>>2230171
>>2230075
> I'm not sure if you could actually specify the script number itself with the arg

I didn't want to leave it at that so I went ahead and tested if you could. You can.

Here is an example wad:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxbbtKR5bll_M1JDeW94VXdsQTQ/view?usp=sharing

>>2230207
>>2230171
>>2230075
Did one more search, and it turns out you can actually just set a script on death directly. I was honestly unaware that you could do that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVkYkC60xr4

>>2230171
>>2230207
>>2230212
Useful advice, I'll screencap them so I can refer to it later.

However the google drive link isn't working, tried it in another browser too.

>>2230217
>However the google drive link isn't working, tried it in another browser too.
Is it giving you a 404 or what? It works fine for me, tried logging out and testing too.

>>2230221
It just tells me the server wasn't found.
Perhaps it's only for you privately?

Some sites do that, to prevent others from randomly typing numbers and getting to other people's files.

>>2230230
It's set to allow anyone with the link to view it.

I can upload it to mediafire though. One sec.

>>2230237
>>2230230
Here:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/3zsb9bex9nhm9pq/testwad.zip

>>2230240
Ok, got it now, cheers breh. I'll look it over and get back to you in 10.

>>2230241
Just fyi the video I linked here>>2230212
shows how to do it even easier than the test wad I made.

Though the test wad method would be useful if you wanted the script to be activated in an actor state other than death, like See or something.

>>2229531
rather than use hundreds of savegames i took the text file's advice and played it on itytd. sadly i still had to do the pillar jumping sequences.
>>2229697 >>2229730
as i recall that remark appeared after a previous thread had a particularly bad case of angry shitposting.
>>2229708
i think the linedef flag's name is unfortunate. it has little to do with secret areas other than the fact that it overrides monsters being able to open it (if also a type 1 manual door).

>>2230242
I'll try Chubs way (I'm a simpleton with coding, I did it in highschool way back so I have soooome idea about it but now much).

Some people just "get it" when it comes to coding, with me though I have to really try learning it.

pressed submit too early
>>2230247 (me)
>it overrides monsters being able to open it
by which i mean so they won't find secret areas for you.
>>2229706 >>2229724
interesting, i had no idea.

>>2229373
Its a 10 level mapset in which every level has exactly 50 monsters. Not sure if that limit counts lost souls or not, considering PEs can create new ones.

Author is aiming for full 32 maps, I believe.

How does everyone sort their wads?

I have organised my wads into categories:
>1 map wads
>2-16 map wads
>17+ map wads
>deathmatch/ctf/etc map wads
>zdoom mods
And each wad/mod is in a folder of their own.

>>2230445
-iwads
-pwads
-oblige maps
that's about it

>>2230445
I just throw everything into my GZdoom folder.

Organization is a mugs game, baby.

>Spot the new stuff in this screenshot.

*gasp* A Doom map made for GMOTA?!

Is there like a super basic tutorial for DECORATE? And I mean really, REALLY basic.

Can we have a post like this?

>Things mappers can do that you like, why.

>Thinks mappers can do that you hate, why.

Very curious.

>>2230580
Looking up the decorate flags and their meanings helped me a lot, then fucking with variables sometimes and seeing the effect helped me too.

Learning decorate functions is easier than ACS, unless you're talking coding behavior in which case I have no clue.

>>2230445
This is how my every single doom folder looks like.

>>2230583

sure why not

>>Things mappers can do that you like, why.

-Custom monsters via DEH/BEX/MBF

Limitations can be great, and traditional custom monsters have been great for the past two years, Dopefish, anyone?

>>Thinks mappers can do that you hate, why.

-Killing cyberdemons by fragging them when you enter a teleporter and you get immediately teleported to the other one, ad nauseam

Yes, we get it, you loved Deus Vult, who cares.

>>2230595
>DEH/BEX/MBF

What's this mean?

>Yes, we get it, you loved Deus Vult, who cares

I laughed.

>>2230617
Dehacked, and Boom's, and MBF's extensions to it.

>>2230620
Ah right, I don't mind players including custom monsters via DECORATE or whatever, just so long as their niche can't be reliably filled by other monsters.

I liked that Mayan themed wad (it got a cacoward) that gave the Barons of Hell rocket launchers on their arms and a more aggressive green shot, they became more of a threat rather than a giant meat shield.

The "medium threat" niche is kind of dominated by the revenant.

>>2230595
You'd rather sit there spamming rockets for 10 straight minutes?

>>2230583
Oh I got one now.

Good boss battles, I really don't mind boss fights where you see the boss's HP bar and you just lay into the bastard, like in Painkiller. Whether it's done with a Cyberdemon, Spider Mastermind, new monster, whatever, a good boss battle is always fun.

>Dislike

I am so fucking over Icons of Sin.
Then again I have to sort of concede they're the ending trope of 32 level Megawads.

>>2230628
You can have a good cyberdemon battle without having to just lay into him from a standstill.

Though I have to remind myself that some battles were made with only being able to use keys in mind. E2M8 becomes much harder that way.

>>2229734
>>2229731
I agree, brightmaps are cool but those filters really don't look that good.

>>2230595 >>2230628 >>2230631
usually the telefraggable cyberdemon is placed so that it is awkward, tedious, or outright impossible to shoot with weapons conventionally. thus it remains a threat for the duration of a battle, but can be removed later if 100% kills is desired.

>>2230568

No. Fartknocker. The monsters, HUD elements, sword sprites, and the thrown shield.

Maps won't be anytime soon

>>2230653

Oops, my bad.

>>2230653
That tiny gauntlet icon for red mana looks like a robot facehugger. Neat.

has anyone finished valiant on Ultra Violence?
I'm stuck on episode 4

Why the mappers are so obsessed with the custom textures?lyuin

>>2230801
Because a limited set of textures is still limiting.
Sometimes, people like to see something new.
Though Cyriak did a lot of cool shit with just the standard Doom 2 textures and flats.

>>2230801
>lyuin

hah! don't worry i know that feel

also custom textures are awesome and they really help at building an atmosphere you want.

>>2230710
I've just finished Valiant's 4th episode and final map turned out to be the easiest one. All previous maps in the episode relied on restricting player's movement with hazardous areas and having not very much space in general but final map grants player pretty huge freedom of movement at all places.

>>2230583
>Things mappers do that you hate, why.

>Starting a map with a big group of monsters facing away from you.
I can be forgiving of this if its trying to be an entryway type level, and does it with former humans. But when its a Slaughter map, and does with with hell knights, revenants, etc, it just feels wrong. I want to feel pressured to move from the get go. Not have all the time of the world to sit there and learn the monster placements of the first room.

>BFG (or highest tier weapon) in the last level.
I always felt the BFG should either be secret only, or not found at all in the last map. In Doom 1, E1M8 was missing the Rocket Launcher, E2M8 was missing the Plasma Rifle, E3M8 was missing the BFG, and E4M8 has the BFG hidden behind a wall. Doom 2 and Final Doom all pretty much give it to you at the start in Map30, making it near impossible not to have one unless you deliberately choose not to grab it.

>>2230801
Custom textures add more character to the map or mapset. Its why theres a demand for them.

Also, in some cases, custom textures are necessary for the situation. Neither Doom nor Doom 2 have waterfall and lavafall animated textures. Doom 1 also lacks the bloodfall animated texture.

>>2230801
Its kinda cool that textures and flats were things you actually could add in additional to the default textures in a vanilla wad.

Doom 2 has 428 textures and flats
Back to Saturn X E1 has 1339 textures and flats.

>>2230867
>making it near impossible not to have one unless you deliberately choose not to grab it.

In the case of TNT.wad, it is 100% impossible to not grab the BFG and complete the level, without cheats.

>>2230583
>Things mappers can do that you like, why.
cool secrets, even if they break the flow/immersion

>Thinks mappers can do that you hate, why.
>make mapset for (g)zdoom
>jumping isn't disabled by default and can break the map
>(even worse, the modder doesn't tell you if you're supposed to jump or not)
seriously, either make your map "jumpproof", disable it or use it, but whatever you pick, say it in the info file

>>2230876
pretty cool, would use before a bossfight / 10

>>2230886
meant for >>2230853

Can someone please post the big sprite sheet of a whole bunch of pre-made HUD graphics for Doomguy's hands in different positions?

>>2230876

that was made by DrDoctor, right?

>>2230972
That's from the game Soul Reaver

>>2230975

oh, sorry

>>2230853
tried to write this from a 1993 new player POV. unskilled, move slowly, don't know exploits (pressing switches from below etc)

Rocket launcher in E1

11: -
12: -
13: in a secret area, requires careful listening and movement skill (i.e. not reachable by 1993 keyboarders)
19: not secret, but, secret level. also heavily trapped/guarded.
14: in a secret area that requires running through a nukage river
15: in a secret area that requires jumping in a large nukage pool, although the door is quite obvious
16: in a secret area guarded by nukage and a crowd of monsters on one side and a locked door on the other
17: the only one not in a secret area. hidden up a lift in the computer core, though, not just gifted to you
18: -

Plasma gun in E2

21: in a secret area that requires considerable backtracking to reach, also dark and monster-infested
22: in a secret area that is not hard to find but only has a single chance to reach
23: in a secret area that requires jumping into a hellblood pool
24: in a secret area under a small crack in the floor, quite hard to spot
25: in a secret area at the end of a long chain of switches and slime tunnel runs, also well-guarded
29: not secret, but, secret level. just out in the open, but surrounded by high-level monsters.
26: not secret, but on the far side of a very dark maze stuffed with monsters
27: in a secret area that is quite big, pitch black, and has several monsters, unlikely to stumble on it
28: -

BFG in E3

31: -
32: -
33: in a secret area hidden in a maze with a 20% damage floor
34: in a secret area, requires jumping into a lava pit which looks inescapable
35: not secret, but heavily trapped, teleporter in a self-locking room, beyond the exit
36: -
39: not secret, but secret level, and behind a false wall, in hellblood, needs intentional backtracking to reach
37: in a secret area in the blood maze. not that hard to stumble on though as exploring the maze is required and weapon is not particularly hidden
38: -

>>2231108
continued because fun. still trying to assume 1993 new player POV

Rocket launcher in E2

21: -
22: in a secret area, well-guarded, and needs yellow key so you're not getting it early
23: -
24: -
25: -
29: not secret, but, secret level. just out in the open, but surrounded by high-level monsters.
26: free gift at the start of the map!
27: in a secret area behind a slime pool, not too hard to spot. fair way into the level though
28: not secret, but you have to pick the right door to go through at the start.

Rocket launcher in E3

31: in a secret area right at the end of the map
32: not secret but hidden inside a rock alcove that's quite easy to overlook
33: in a secret area whose entrance is well-hidden and is quite well-guarded
34: free gift at start of map
35: in a secret area that requires going under a crusher to open
36: not secret but well guarded on an island surrounded by lava (invulnerability available, though)
39: not secret, but, secret level. you have to run past a cyberdemon, then it is a gift. can be obtained from original secret on lower skills.
37: in a secret area, along with a soulsphere, guarded by a flock of cacodemons
38: free gift at start of map

Plasma gun in E3

31: -
32: in a secret area inside a rock on the far side of the map, quite well-hinted
33: -
34: -
35: in a secret area that locks you in with a bunch of demons
36: in a secret area past a jump into a dual-spectre ambush then a guess-the-teleporter puzzle
39: not secret, but secret level. found behind some cacodemons. you have to have done most of the level to reach it.
37: in a secret area that requires the red key and finding the right teleporter, but with this map's required exploration you are likely to stumble on it
38: not secret, almost a free gift in the central hut, but well-guarded obviously

>>2231108
>13: in a secret area, requires careful listening and movement skill (i.e. not reachable by 1993 keyboarders)

My dad and I found it in 1994 playing with keyboard. The secrets upon secrets in E1M3 make it still my favorite level to date.

RIP Dad

>>2231108
I specially like when the SSG is only available through secrets as well, but "Not guaranteed to pick up the ultimate weapon" and "the last level doesnt have one" are two different things.
Unless the entire wad lacked an easy to get BFG and was balanced without it in mind, removing the BFG from map 30 has absolutely no purpose besides making it harder for pistol starters.

wad when?

>>2231231
>Shell 8, bullet 39
>ammo 8

>>2231253

>>2231231
Are there even any good wads/mods based on television shows?

But fuck that episode of SVU was hilarious though

Awhile back there was a WAD pack of all the Doom engine games, such as Strife, Hexen, Heretic, and so on. What happened to it? It was very convenient, I recently lost my hoard if anybody could help a brother out.

>>2231297
It's literally the fifth line in the pastebin.

>>2231301
I am used to it being in the OP. Thanks for the spoon mang.

>>2231260

That is fucking awesome.

Someone notify Yholl. We need something like this in DRLA.

>>2231307
Scout already has the Combat Storm pistol.
He doesn't need to outshine literally everyone.

>>2231179
>removing the BFG from map 30 has absolutely no purpose besides making it harder for pistol starters.

But that's the point. I want to feel rewarded for progressive playing. Doom 1 did this. Doom 2 didn't, and quite frankly made things too easy for pistol starters on map30.

>>2231175
>The secrets upon secrets in E1M3 make it still my favorite level to date.
Oh yeah, E1M3 actually did have quite a few secrets.
Actually stumbled upon one I didn't even know existed last year.

>>2230568
>>2230653
>>2230671

anon with the low blow

>>2231108
>>2231158

Interesting info. thanks for sharing

>>2231335
The BFG is meaningless in map 30 since you only need to kill a single Revenant.
If you have the BFG on e3m8 you can literally run straight into the Mastermind and win.
Those are incredibly bad examples for opposite reasons.

Most wads now are slightly harder and may very well require you to own a BFG for some encounters, if for the cell efficiency alone. Its not something you can change just to make you to have even more rewards than extra 100/200 and 600 starting cells.
You must feel pretty bad on almost everything outside of vanilla if you HATE mappers for not giving you a colossal edge for playing the game normally.

>>2231321
>storm combat
>not Shredder filled with Bulks

>>2231424
>not a storm handcannon for 5 times more dps than a measly shredder

>>2231437
you can make storm handcannons now?
oh boy...

>>2231442
Now as in the last 4+ months? Yes...

>>2231321
>>2231424
>>2231437

>not the nuclear super charged plasma pistol with a charge attack potent enough to one shot masterminds
>not the plasma'd up version of the marksman pistol that fires fast traveling laser bolts that gib most lesser enemies in a single shot
>not being a scout and wielding those

Buncha slack jawed faggots around here

>>2231491
to be fair i'm the engineer and my friend plays scout

he sure loves his overcharged blaster

>>2231491
Right so why the fuck should he get a free ridiculously powerful shotgun that makes Renegade even MORE pointless on top of all this?

>>2231493

Speaking of engies. I picture them stuffing those weapons into their mouths, chewing them up and spitting a mod pack out.

>>2231498

Because beardman a shit.

And the commando will make everyone look like balls.

>>2231498
>free ridiculously powerful shotgun
Because a revolver that uses shells has to be ridiculously powerful, it cant be balanced by any means.
Meanwhile, the revolver that fires rockets is a shit.
SHIT.

>>2231498
Renegade will get a truckload of shotguns in the next patch, plus it could be a dual-class weapon like uzis and work for him too.

>>2231505
What is Commando?

And what can they do to keep up with Scout's literal 8x damage output on guns that kinda shit on everything already?

>>2231514
A 50% damage boost on shotguns will NOT even keep compare to Scout's damage bonus.

Scout is really powerful. And not even luck based like Technician.

Has science gone too far?

oh yeah, talking about doomRLA, will there be a way to know what the armor specials do before putting them on in some update?

>>2231543
is this being updated?

>>2231543
>[21:15] <TerminusEst13> Yeah, and even assuming best-case scenario if you landed every single main shot and every single spatter (which you are still a fucking wizard for being able to do), the max damage would only be 750.
>the max damage would only be 750.
ayy lmao

>>2231582
No, I'm just playing it again and making science. Turns out that even though we already knew charged wave beam was broke as fuck (you could oneshot archviles by lining it up right), we didn't know its true potential.

>>2231541
Its not 8x damage you stupid fuck, you have no idea what you're talking about. Its 8x BASE damage, which usually translates to around 3 times the damage done.
If a pistol did 1~20 damage per shot, any other class would have a 10,5 average damage and scouts would always do 8.

>>2231609
Oh shit, my bad.
It's not 8x flat damage bonus. It's 3x flat damage bonus.

I didn't realize that +300% damage wasn't overwhelmingly powerful compared to +50% as well.

I'm truly sorry about getting this wrong but it's still completely ridiculous considering the power of some handguns that would rock shit as any class.

>>2231620
I seriously hope you're just pretending to be retarded.

>>2231626
Nice job refuting the point anon.

>No shotgun will one shot Archviles
>No shotgun will have more DPS than the Storm Combat pistol even when they fire 50% more pellets
>No shotgun will one shot Masterminds
But do go on anon.

Do go on about how the damage bonus isn't retarded considering the handguns the Scout has access to.
Do go on about how any other class can keep up outside of Marine with a Demolitions Minigun.

>>2231632
I never once said the Scout was not stupidly powerful.
Nice job assuming the proposed handshotgun is going to have enough base damage for the scout to do 3x, even after a basic example showing you how it can backfire and do LESS than average.

>No shotgun will one shot Archviles
Do you even play this mod?
Overcharged plasma, plasmatic super shotgun and heavy double already do.
Yholl even said there would be stronger shotguns on the next update, like more super sg assemblies.

>>2231640
>Nice job assuming the proposed handshotgun is going to have enough base damage for the scout to do 3x

Quite literally your own post
>Its not 8x damage you stupid fuck, you have no idea what you're talking about. Its 8x BASE damage, which usually translates to around 3 times the damage done.

The Scout will do 3x damage by your own explanation.
No matter what the numbers are, it will be more than anyone else with it as long as they are getting the Scout modifier on it.

>Overcharged plasma, plasmatic super shotgun and heavy double already do.
Heavy Double does not unless you're lucky.
Only thing I can refute there.

>Yholl even said there would be stronger shotguns on the next update, like more super sg assemblies.
This would be the only thing to keep Renegade relevant.
But not likely since Scout dominates so hard. Also it doesn't help that it mows down crowds second only to Marine

>>2231541

Commando is berserk 24/7 once you get him rolling. He's going to be the tankiest son of a bitch, and if memory serves right he's got damage residence up the wazoo.

Plus he's gonna be a stereotypical 80s shirtless action hero that starts with a bottomless supply of throwing knives and will be able to install unique martial arts for his fists

If that isn't the tightest shit you should check your pulse because you might be DEAD

>>2231653
>No matter what the numbers are, it will be more than anyone else with it as long as they are getting the Scout modifier on it.
Sorry, I didnt know you were mentally handcapped.
Let me be more clear : all weapons have base and random damages. Base is the minimum ammount it can do, random is everything else. The scout ignores random damage and does 8x the minimum value instead. This USUALLY results in a fixed damage around 3x higher than the average.
If the base value is too low compared to the maximum possible damage, the scout's bonus could even work against him since it would replace a 1~9999 dmg variation with a fixed 8 damage.

tl;dr >If a pistol did 1~20 damage per shot, any other class would have a 10,5 average damage and scouts would always do 8.
Quite literally the second line in my first post.

Also demolition minigun is shit. High power PP minigun has a much better output and actually hurts bosses.

>>2231680
Will there be throwable saw blades?

Will Bennett be there?

>>2231697
No

No_

>>2231693
Considering that there is NO GUNS that do 1-9999 damage I think the Scout is safe from underperforming.

Especially since it shits on all ther classes right now.

>>2231680
>will be able to install unique martial arts for his fists

but will he be able to drop them?

>>2231713
Hardly a Commando then.

>>2231697

>throwable saw blades

Holy shit. That would be awesome

Alright, mapping question.
What format should my maps be in? I've been mapping in Doom in Doom, is there any reason to not switch to Doom in Hexen, or any other higher map format?
I want my maps to be playable in as many source ports as possible, but it seems Chocolate Doom is out of the question due to multiple, egregious visplane overflows.

Also, how do I change the gamma in PrBoom? My eyes hurt from playtesting my map.

>>2231714
You can keep moving the goalpost all you want. Scout is by far the best class and Yholl wont nerf him, we get it. This has nothing to do with the discussion.

Will any handshotguncannons be instantly overpowered or even a great addition for Scouts?
No.

Is it impossible to make a pistol-shotgun without it being stronger for the Scout than the Renegade?
No.

Did you rage at Scout's core mechanic without even testing pistols with other classes?
Yes.

Am I farting in your general direction?
Probably not, but I am trying.

>>2231751
>Will any handshotguncannons be instantly overpowered or even a great addition for Scouts?
Storm pistol is literally two pellets and it shits on shotguns.

>Is it impossible to make a pistol-shotgun without it being stronger for the Scout than the Renegade?
Your idea for it would be to make a wildly random gun instead of consistency.
Which would be awful for everyone.

>Did you rage at Scout's core mechanic without even testing pistols with other classes?
>Yes.
Storm Combat pistol rocks on anyone and it's not even the best pistol.

>>2231693
Er

I think I need to provide some info here.
So, pistol is 6d3. That's either 6, 12 or 18 damage, with 12 being the average.

For Scout, he always does 48 damage.
Slow firing pistols do 8x base damage, scaling all the way down to 3x base damage for the Dual Uzis based on firerate.

Demolition Ammo got rebalanced to scale based on clip size and firerate. Minigun is still king of damage, but its explosions are babby tier compared to other guns now.

Also Renegade with a Heavy Super Shotgun or a Megaton Shotgun is an unstoppable force of nature that steamrolls anything in his path.

>>2231759
Thanks for clarifying Yholl.

You sure put >>2231751 in his place.

>>2231759

Well, this is interesting information.
Thanks very much for the input, this changes things a lot.

>>2231759
>Megaton shotgun
I am interested in this. Please tell me more.

>>2231759
So basically what you are saying is
>Shotgun pistol will kick ass because Scout gets 3-8x damage based on it's firing rate(Let's say 6x since it probably won't be Uzi's firing rate)
Which makes >>2231751 stupid.

You also explain how the damage formula works, which makes >>2231693 not only wrong but incredibly stupid for assuming that it works as it does because of how Scout oneshots Zombiemen with his pistol(Which DON'T have 8 HP, making that guy's post all kinds of stupid)

Thanks.
Don't even have to nerf the Scout. I am just glad you are addressing Renegade
Technician is balls though

>>2231764
Triple barrelled shotgun with a capacity of 9 shells, can fire them one at a time or three at once.
Barrels rotate after firing and loading.
Is made of loud and shooty.

And yeah, if you guys feel balance is off or could use work, feel free to discuss it with me. Now's the best time for it, after all.

>>2231771
>Triple barrel shotgun with select fire
Oh god yes.

My balance issues from when I last played were:
>Doesn't feel like Technician doesn't have much of a place at the moment
>Scout's damage bonus is maybe too high or maybe the guns are too strong considering the bonus
>Nightmare Archviles feel less dangerous than regular Archviles despite the fire pillar following the player even when they go behind cover
>Renegade is ugly and bald

The last one is a joke and you don't have to change that face
But my hate for bald people is legit

>>2231773
>Doesn't feel like Technician doesn't have much of a place at the moment
Whereas the other classes are MAX FOITIN WURDS M8, the Technician is the guy who does everything else better, basically. Hold modpacks? Aw yeah. Hotwire the teleporter? You betcha. Convert weapons into small colored boxes? He's your man.

He's likely to get even more cool stuff in future, what with weapon mods staying on weapons, and planned crafting and unmodding thingos.
Having a Technician on your team is just amazing.

>Scout's damage bonus is maybe too high or maybe the guns are too strong considering the bonus
I'm definitely nerfing a few pistols, like the plasma pistols, because those are just ridonk. Scout really can't deal with groups too well, but a Storm Handcannon is so ridiculous nothing is even a problem anymore. I'm not really sure what to do about that... I coooooould nerf handcannon damage a bit buuuuut... would I get lynched? (y/n)

>Nightmare Archviles feel less dangerous than regular Archviles despite the fire pillar following the player even when they go behind cover
Hahahaha, and if you play as Demolitionist, they can't ever hurt you, no matter how hard they try. I've got giving them an extra attack on my list of things to do.

>Renegade is ugly and bald
such mean very mean wow

>>2231780
If modpacks could remain useful in some way after your guns are upgraded then Technician's features would be worthwhile. It's barely a relevant limitation for other classes.

>>2231739
>Also, how do I change the gamma in PrBoom? My eyes hurt from playtesting my map.
press F11? which iirc is the same key as in vanilla/chocolate.

>>2231759
>So, pistol is 6d3. That's either 6, 12 or 18 damage, with 12 being the average.
i thought 6d3 meant the sum of six independent rolls of a three sided die

>>2231787
Yup, that did it. Thanks.

>>2231791
It's not actually 6d3, it's 6*1d3.

>>2231786
Kyle and I have been talking about a crafting mechanic for later on that takes this into account.

>>2231791
i dont know i cant into dice
3d6 then.

>>2231780
I guess I just don't see Technician as something useful.
>Having a technician on your team
>Crafting.
This is multiplayer compatible? This would change my opinion on Tech BIG TIME

> I coooooould nerf handcannon damage a bit buuuuut... would I get lynched?
You wouldn't get lynched and he needs to be nerfed.

>I've got giving them an extra attack on my list of things to do.
What kind of attack would it be?

I will never stop being mean about Renegade's face until he covers his ugly face or something. I think he's nasty to look at
Fortunately I'd never demand that you change it, just damn what an ugly guy

>>2231805
What if modpacks just gave you small general benefits for holding them, in addition to their primary usage? Almost like a second, less-specialized class system on top of the class you chose, except you mix and match components on your own. Then Technician gets something that is both more useful to him than someone else, AND the thing he's good at has potential to be actually fun?

>>2231829
This might just lead to classes stacking power mods.

>>2231834
They wouldn't have to line up perfectly with their weapon-modding effect. That'd be a little dull I agree.

>>2231818
Of course, it's always been multiplayer compatible.
Having a team of different classes is super fun, and a Technician just fuels the team's rampage even more with a constant supply of modpacks.

Nightmare Vile will likely get a forward whoosh attack, instead of just an upwards floor whoosh attack.
MAX WHOOSH

Heh, Renegade's forehead is weird.
aaagh

>>2231818
>This is multiplayer compatible?
Yeah, me and a few buddies play it all the time. One of them mains tech and gets fat loot and crafts endgame shit very quickly compared to everyone else.

A tech on your team is a massive asset to everyone else, since he can craft weps and drop them for you. That's not even counting the damage he does with his own.

>>2231852
Here, have a screenshot to demonstrate what a scout gets working with a technician.

>>2231850
Modpacks aren't ammo, there's not much they can do with a "constant supply" of modpacks, and it's the only class whose value massively changes based on the length of play - maybe a few extra packs is useful in ~4 maps, but by the halfway point of a complete Doom II level replacement he suddenly has features that aren't doing anything. You mod your guns and it's done. The Technician or modpack system needs to change.

WHOOPS

A screenshot to demonstrate what you get working with a technician.

>>2231859
And as I just said before...

>Kyle and I have been talking about a crafting mechanic for later on that takes this into account.

>>2231852
>>2231850
I could have sworn I read that it wasn't multiplayer compatible on the ZDoom forums.

This news makes me very happy even if I'm late to the party

>playing RPGs with other people
disgusting
Doom of Doomcraft here we come.

>>2231864
well it does require zdoom, draw your conclusions from there

>>2231872
Oh.

Well shit.

>>2231861
do you have any tips for how to get good at this mod?

>>2231873
if you want to build an army from people around the world, you're probably shit out of luck, but if you just want to play with one bro, it works perfectly fine as long as you both have an okay connection

>>2231883
The only people I know that would play Doom with me(Let alone Doom mods) live across the world so it probably would desync.

>>2231890
It won't desync unless you are using different things.

It will however, lag the fuck out.

Does DRLA, and monsters, work with zDoom? For some reason I thought it was gzDoom only.

>>2231913
Yes, it's designed to work with ZDoom.
I make sure it works nice in both ports, rather than dedicate my mod to a port that only 1 in 3 people can actually run.

Certainly worked out in the end.

>>2231406
>The BFG is meaningless in map 30 since you only need to kill a single Revenant.

You do know that monsters are constantly being spawned in right? Unless you freelook and cheat the boss, the BFG can still be helpful for dealing with the crowding as you keep going down and up again.

>>2231406
>>2231956
Also, I've never played a map30 that actually required the BFG, outside of a few sunder tier maps. Those aren't even as common as you imply

>>2231956
For Speedrunners they will blitz through the map really fast.
For nonspeedrunners the level is still relatively short when you understand what you have to do.

The BFG will always be useful regardless of map size or enemy count though so I'm not sure what that anon was going on with calling it meaningless.

But it's a pretty short level that can be completed before too many enemies arrive.

>>2230583
>>Thinks mappers can do that you hate, why

Monsters spawning in as soon as you grab a key. Too predictable.

So, while a lot of developers of awesome/top mods are here, let me pitch something that will likely be shouted down as stupid/impossible/etc...

DoomRPG, DRLA/M, Brutal, OBLIGE. 4 different mods, one wad generator. How hard would it be to take drpg/rla/rlm in their current state or similar, maintaining variety of weaponry and flavor of progression (statistical and weapon/armor, etc, perhaps add a few classes to the RL architecture), with brutal-esque weapons/hitboxes/modified more annoying AI? Then, oblige or something line it being tacked on as a front end to randomly generate levels based on difficulty parameters, also, maybe a "hardcore" (permadeath) option? Related to that - is there a way to make character permanence a thing? Like to save a character file rather than a save game, so to speak?

Before the trolls and shitposters come out of the woodwork, I don't want brutal taunts and rolls shit to infest the game, but the better ai, "beefier" sounding/feeling weapons, and the pseudophysics in the mod add a lot for me, personally, and having great rpg mechanics stacked with it sounds like a dream come true. The ketchup aspect of the mod, along with melee executions, I'm indifferent on - executions would be a nice touch, but doing them for all the different styles and colors and palette swaps in DRLM could be nightmarish, and is probably not worth it.

This comes up partially because I've had this idea or something like it for some time, and because mark is talking about adding classes and such to brutal... may be an excellent collaboration project.

>>2232134
Hey man that was crazy shocking the first time it was done! You know, in e1m2.

>>2232164
Better idea: add brutal weapons to the store/drop table, and armor with an on-use of the brutal doom kick, and a unique property that amps up blood spatter and increases gib chance by some %.

>>2232165
i think you are confused, e1m2 is the one with the flashing computer maze, it doesn't have any key teleporter squads

>>2232194
He was probably thinking of e1m3, which opens a closet of Imps as soon as you grab the blue key.

>>2231771
My balance issues

>Hellstorm Elemental makes Doom II Map 23 (Barrels O' Fun) impossible, they instakill you as soon as you teleport at one part, had to cheat it
>The Hungry makes Doom 2 Map 24 (The Chasm) a nightmare at one point, due to them knock you off easily with no way to get back on (more of the map's fault). Plus 10hp is surprising bulky when most rapid weapons do below that in a shot
>Tech lack good assemblies for Shotguns (other than NanoSSG) and Plasma Rifles (other than Highpower and maybe Hyperblaster)
>Tech have trouble getting Nano modpacks due to no Exotics can give it (they can give all but N and O). Only Uniques and up can give it
>What's the use for the Plasma Rifle MK.II
>Missile Launcher seems pointless. Rockets are slower, do less splash damage and clumsy reload. Seems like a worse Tactial Rocket Launcher other than the increased splash radius and 4 mods (Unless you mod it with PAA due to bugged splash damage (320/160))
>A modpacks seems to be useless on their own for most hitscan weapons compared to B, P and T. Similar thing for S modpack for projectile weapons

>>2231769
wait... didnt Yholl just confirmed it was 8x base at best?
48 is exactly 6 x 8.
if anything affected by this bonus had a low 1 base damage it would do a measly 8 damage dude.
why are you still thinking of flat damage increases that make shotgun revolvers insane regardless of the base?

>>2232217
>What's the use for the Plasma Rifle MK.II
Its a pretty well rounded weapon actually. It has higher damage per shot than HP plasma but with 50 shots and some knockback.
Ammochain makes it way less attractive though.

>>2232228
>if anything affected by this bonus had a low 1 base damage it would do a measly 8 damage dude.
Let's say a pistol shot 4 pellets that do 1-4 damage each.

Let's say the damage bonus on Scout for said pistol is 6x.
So each pellet does 6, which makes each shot fired do 24 damage.
Now let's take Renegade.
Each pellet does 1-4 but now it's 6 pellets.
If each pellet did max damage it would match a Scout's damage which doesn't have to do any dice rolling.

If we take the damage numbers and make the range larger (5-15) and add more pellets the Scout is still going to average out pretty far ahead because he won't have to deal with the dice roll and will get a multiplier.
And if we don't increase the damage the Scout will still do consistently high damage unless each pellet had a chance of doing 1-20 damage.
And there is no reason to assume the pistol is going to have a 3x multiplier when pistols are specifically made for the Scout first, unlike the Uzi which is obviously meant for a hybrid favoring the Marine.

>why are you still thinking of flat damage increases that make shotgun revolvers insane regardless of the base?
A few things:
1) No reason to make a pistol favor the Renegade specifically when Renegade is getting glorious shotguns in the next update.
2) 50% more pellets alone will be pretty tough to turn into the superior bonus when competing with Scout's rather hefty class bonus on pistols.
3) You are undervaluing the rather large damage bonus on pistols even if each pellet is doing something like 6 for a Scout with a shotgun.

It will literally melt crowds of enemies without too much hassle.
Storm Combat Pistol already does this and it's not getting the full 8x flat damage bonus

>>2232228
>if anything affected by this bonus had a low 1 base damage it would do a measly 8 damage dude.
This is not how Doom's damage formula works unless Yholl specifically sets the gun to start off very weak
Any gun with 1 damage in it's damage range would be bad on every class but the Scout

so with the recent game evolve torpedoing whatever fun it had by selling the toppings separately, I was thinking of finding a way to reverse engineer the game in a few ways, would doom be viable as a starting point?

>>2232393
It's worth a try.
You can set player classes with Decorate code for use in zdoom. I'm not sure if you can force a team to play a certain class (hunters only on team 1, monster on team 2)

>>2232413
You can. There's a mod called Ghouls Vs. Humans, and it does something pretty similar.

>>2232361
Same pistol, same ammount of pellets, same 6x bonus, but 1-11 damage in each pellet :
Normal classes get 4d11, which averages 24, Scout gets 36 fixed damage, Renegade gets 6d11 which averages to 36.

Even with as few as 4 pellets and huge variation, it doesnt get inconsistent for normal classes either. You have 90,7% chance of doing at least 16 damage.

>>2232376
If it shoots a single bullet, sure, it would be horrible, but with pellets you need to win the lottery to get a really bad roll on all of them.
Assuming ofc that it can leave the bell curve to begin with, since regular Doom weaponry doesnt do extremes.

>And there is no reason to assume the pistol is going to have a 3x multiplier when pistols are specifically made for the Scout first, unlike the Uzi which is obviously meant for a hybrid favoring the Marine.
There is no reason to assume the damage is going to be 6x, 8x or any broken value either. Pretty sure Yholl has to manually input the fixed bonus, so he can just make a non-retarded number or consider each pellet a different shot when calculating firerate (so 1 fire per second with 4 pellets = one shot per 0,25, not a slow pistol).

A shotgun pistol is a stupid idea anyway. Not because it wouldnt work, you just need the right numbers for that, but because storm pistols already function as shotguns, the shredder exists and he has ZERO ammo problems already, who cares if he can use shells or not.

>>2232421
all that's left is monster and critter sprites then, might even make my own monsters and hunters to add on

>>2232442
...Now that I think about it, I remember a mod called "Super Demon", which has one player spawn as a boss-monster who tries to kill the other players.
There's also Beast Incarnation, which has the players spawn as monsters in co-op mode fighting against hordes of marines. That mod has you unlock tiers of stronger monsters to respawn as as you kill more marines, or if you play for a set amount of time.
You could try combining those mods for that project, IF you ask for permission from the mod makers. That's just common courtesy.

>>2232164
>how hard would it be to mix two completely unrelated and wildly different gameplay mods together

Pretty fuckin' hard, m8.

>>2232164
Doom RPG has it's own enemies.
DoomRLA Monsters is also it's own enemies.

These two mods can work together because the creators put a SHITLOAD of time making it compatible.

Brutal Doom has it's own enemies.
You'd have to manually edit all these enemies to level up and shit while keeping their AI.
If you look at the DECORATE for how this all works you'd see that this is a fucking nightmare of a process and that's with simple enemies.
Then you'd have to deal with compatibility issues and shit.

There's no way to save a character file yet.
Basically what you want is not really possible.

>>2232449
naturally, my big ambition is to remake it in proper 3D and look super polished but the doom engine is so versatile that it makes a perfect test bed, I need to get the basics of doom modding first but this is another to keep on the burner till I get to it, and yes I'll make sure to ask people for permission, so there can be doom themed and total conversion styled versions of this

>>2232429
>Scout gets 36 fixed damage
that is over 8x damage...
but yeah some values work, even with a huge dmg bonus

Blem

>>2232429
>4d11
>4 times 11
>11-22-33-44
>average value is 24
What the hell anon??? Your math seems to be flawed.

>>2232510
dn is dungeons and dragons notation for a uniformly distributed discrete random variable whose range is 1..n. each value has a constant probability 1/n (hence the term uniform).

the expectation (mean) of such a uniformly distributed discrete random variable is sum(1..n)/n = (n+1)/2. when n==11 we have a mean of (1+11)/2 = 24.

4d11 has an expectation of 4*24 = 96.

>>2232514
oh turds, i wasted my time, that post was deleted.

>>2232429
I don't know how math works, but if scout has 6x damage bonus for every pellet, then a single pellet does 6-66 damage, considering shotgun shoots 4 pellets it does 24-264 damage, where 24 is guaranted 100% possible damage if player hits all pellets in a target. With 8x bonus damage bumps up to 8-88 damage per pellet and 32-352 damage per hit, considering every single pellet hit the opponent. Where the hell did you get 36 I just don't know. At least you correctly counted average number for renegade.

>>2232458
>There's no way to save a character file yet.
Kyle did it with DoomRPG.

For regular shit you could use CVars, so long as the author didn't fuck with them.

>>2232514
I deleted that post in shame because I suddenly remembered 4d11 is 4 times 1-11 which is 4-44, avg 24, not 4 times 11.
>(1+11)/2 = 24.
It's 6, anon. 12/2 = 6, not 24. If it was 12*2, then yes, it would be 24 without any argument.

>>2232532
it's not my day today. roll on tomorrow. no wait, tomorrow is even worse. roll on next month.

>>2232482
>>2232520
Shit. I calculated the bonus with 6 pellets.
Four 1-7 pellets then.
Average 16, scout fixed 24, renegade average 24.

For the rest of your post base =/= all damage. The bonus multiplies the base number and replaces the entire dice roll with it. With 6x Its not 6-66 nor 6-11 per pellet, its 6.
That is why the 6d3 pistol with 8x bonus results in "just" 48 fixed damage.

>>2230583
>Things mappers can do that you like, why.

Dynamic gameplay with flowing ambent.

>Thinks mappers can do that you hate, why.

Putting a revenant or chaingunner in every nook and cranny.

>>2231771
In terms of some really good current weapons:

Napalm Launcher seems to do significantly more damage per shot than the Rocket Launcher and really makes a Nanomachic Napalm Launcher a top tier weapon on ANY class. It can mean sometimes I don't ever use missile ammo.

On the Marine, High Power Laser Rifle, with Firestorm and Bulk Mods. Kill a Cyberdemon in a single clip. Having a Nuclear Plasma Rifle can also be handy in a pinch, and a High Power Minigun is also a great option. Also, the Auto Double Shotgun receives the Ammochain bonus and is hilarious. Yet another good choice is the Plasma Uzi, since it has high base damage and basically takes to empty it's clip on Marine.

Renegade is good with Storm Plasma Pistols (gets the extra bullet) and Heavy Double Shotgun/Super Shotgun. Nano Super Shotgun is also preferable.

Scout as mentioned currently is really strong with Uzis (but that's getting fixed), and Storm Handcannons, Plasma Uzi (also i assume getting sorted).

>>2232584
There is also an inherently flaw with nano that is the firerate.
Shotguns are slightly balanced because they get weaker, but other single shot weapons dont.
You already have infinite ammo, it really doesnt need to fire napalm faster than a TT micro launcher weapon ffs.
It boils down to 3 uses for nano mods : nano SSG, nano napalm and mother in law. Everything else is a massive waste.

Whats the best way to play BLOOD? Or is it just shitty dosbox?

>>2232681
>Or is it just shitty dosbox?

yep.

>>2232681
DOSBox unless you have an actual Windows 95/98 machine.

>>2232684
>>2232685
Thanks Anons, Happy Friday the 13th <3

>>2232681
>>2232684
>>2232685
Speaking of dosbox, someone was making a picture explaining every way to play doom with source ports and whatnot with their pros and cons, and DOSbox was listed on there but all it said was that it was crap without explaining why.

Was there ever an updated version of that picture made?

>Russian Overkill 2.3
I don't understand how flamethrower is now tornado-spewing-headless-suicide-bombers-thrower.

>>2232708
>DOSbox was listed on there but all it said was that it was crap without explaining why.

The reason is because if you want an EXACTLY vanilla experience (eg no PrBoom+), then:

>You have a Win98 or earlier DOS-having machine
--Play with Doom2.exe

>You don't have such a machine
--Play with Chocolate Doom. It emulates vanilla Doom 100% on modern machines, including bugs and strange behavior in the engine that other source ports have fixed, includes easier support for pwads and DEH files, config files and other niceties, performs VASTLY better than DOSBox

>>2232715
Thank you.

>>2232708
>but all it said was that it was crap without explaining why.

>>2232715 just did. the image is listing chocodoom as the best vanilla option already. and nobody bugtests his maps using dosbox anyway

>>2232721
LOL

>>2232507
Nobody else BLEM?

>>2232721
>nobody bugtests his maps using dosbox anyway

Isnt that exactly what the BTSX team is doing?

>>2232734
http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Back_to_Saturn_X

>designed to be compatible with DOOM2.EXE

721 must be talking about amateurs.

https://twitter.com/NightDiveStudio/status/565983957368324096

Possibly already well-known news already, but it's still interesting for retro FPS players. In case anyone didn't know, they're re-releasing Exhumed/Powerslave -- with the Saturn version playable as well as the BUILD PC version. Saturn version was the first and was pretty interesting for kind of being like a proto-Metroid Prime; you can go anywhere, but might need to find upgrades to unlock further progression in areas. PC was a lot more linear version.

It'd be really neat if they could get the Playstation one as well (it's like a remixed version of the Saturn game), but that's already a pretty solid amount of work lined up.

>>2232749
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=47821
Also semi-related.

>>2232749
Oh sweet. Especially the fact that the Saturn version is coming to PC.

>>2232749
>with the Saturn version playable as well

I'd really like to know how will they end up doing that. As in, how will they make it technically possible. Emulator, or just porting the levels to a modern engine, or what.

>>2232749
Night Dive Studios is based as fuck.

I wish I had better computer so I could play Sunder/other slaughtermaps with Russian Overkill without killing my performance completely.

>>2232754
I think it's the same guy behind the Strife remake and Doom 64 EX, wasn't he working on PC versions of the N64 Turok (different from the PC ports, in other words) engine and the Slavedriver engine (the one the Saturn Exhumed + Duke Nukem 3D ran on)?

>>2232761
hahaha I can feel the lag

>>2232714

Pillowblaster is a madman

>>2232749
This is the best news I've heard in ages. Being able to play the superior version with superior controls will be worth the price alone.

>>2232749
Cool! Maybe I'll play it, I always thought there was something cool about Powerslave.

Look at this cover, it's colorful, there's action, it shows the hero fighting the monsters, it does everything right, just like the cover of Doom.

>>2232795
>blue and orange

>>2232808
Don't make me fucking come over there.

>>2232808
>1990s Shooter - blue and orange
>2015 - brown brown and brown, or battlefield blue (3 and 4)

>>2232808
>green and purple, green and purple, green and purple

Is there a way I can play all of Hell to Pay without having to buy it? That shit is fucking retarded.

>>2232761
I hope Pillowblaster lives a long and prosperous life.

>>2232817
fuck you shit le shit

>>2232839

Is there even a place that still sells H2P?

>>2232839

By downloading it?

>>2232853
Where?

>>2232847
I don't think there is but there is the demo floating around obviously.

Damn I found something finally

http://doomwadentryway.weebly.com/hell-to-pay-zdoom.html#/

That was bugging me for the longest time

Anyway lets talk about Perditions gate and Hell to Pay!

Good levels or just shit shovelware?

>>2232829

Thanks doc

Oh hey, Samsara deathmatch going on for Friday Night Fragfest if anyone wants.

GET IN HERE

>>2232910

How long does that go on for? I won't be home for another 5 hours

Who else is hoping for a special Valentine's Day update for HDoom?

I know I am.

>>2232923
I am hoping for a Valentine's Berserk release

>>2232923
Well shit, I dunno if Mike has one planned but I guess you could just grab a dev build from the Git repository: https://github.com/DaZombieKiller/hdoom

(Follow the instructions on the page)

>>2233040
It's a holiday miracle.

>>2232681
http://ykhwong.x-y.net/
Set the cycles to max and enjoy

>>2230583
Can't believe I forgot.

Having monsters ambush you every single time you get a key, bloody hell. It's becoming less of an "ambush" now anyway as we all know it's coming.

What's the point of this WAD?

>>2233142
Ya gotta save the day, the American way.

>>2233142
>Shooting an angry fetus with a bfg

It's goofy to even type.

>>2233142
nothing, play buttpain, it'll be fun

>>2232808
>>2232817
>>2232827
>1990s Shooter - blue and orange

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OrangeBlueContrast

>>2232885
http://visionsofdoom.us/

>>2233158
>buttpain

I never understood this name.

First time I heard it I assumed it was a jokewad and I ignore jokewads completely.

>>2233142
Drama.

>>2233171
>buttplug

Do they have an NSA themed one?

>>2233164
Awesome!

I made a retarded post and asked while simultaneously finding a link, however yours is the legit ISO that's great!

>>2233167

Because Zygo is a dramawhore who gets asswrecked very easily.

>>2232808
They go well together anon

>>2233187
What's this? Our version of CAD?

Besides, I thought Terminus made it.

>>2233191
zygo made rootpain and sent angry pms to everyone who didn't like it
it's fucking awful

https://www.dropbox.com/s/nyqma5ey9tucr72/ROOTPAIN.wad
run in gzdoom

terminus made buttpain for an april fool's joke

http://www.best-ever.org/download?file=buttpain.pk3
run in zandronum w/ a levelset

tfw can't enjoy GZDoom mods because fucking AMD and their shitty drivers with shitty OpenGL support

>>2232919

Until it dies on its own, really. I think they leave the server up for a day or two regardless.

The mapset got pretty bad, though. Plenty of maps had hilariously bad BFG placement, so it became "king of the BFG hill". Either that or similar setups where a guy could run into a dead end area, grab plasma/rockets, point it in a direction, hold the trigger and rack up the kills.

Was still fun in the maps that weren't like that.

>>2233196
I have a Radeon HD 5670, a pretty old card. Runs just fine. Try downgrading your Catalyst to 13.12 though, 14.x destroyed Dxtory's performance in OpenGL games including GZD. Made me learn that with AMD, newer != better. Might help you too.
http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop/previous?os=Windows%207%20-%2064

Here's a link if you want. If you do this, uninstall the old ones properly with Display Driver Uninstaller. Good luck.

>>2233210

Try playing Re-Exhumed and tell me if it runs at a constant 60 FPS with dynamic lighting

I have a 6670 and it runs like dogshit

Luckily I have an nvidia card so Re-Exhumed runs at 90-100fps for me usually, and 120-130fps with additive lighting forced

>>2233213
I can't explain why, but I get 200-250fps on this pretty much placeholder system I have, with an FX-4100 and the 5670. Dips down to 80-90 when particle spam's all over the screen.

Also, this shit is fucking rad. I might give Powerslave a go now.

Happy Valentine's day, mates.

I give you all a inverted crucifix of burning holy fire.

>>2233229

The problem is that I'm running the game at 1920x1080.

>>2233234
St. Peter's cross or secret unholy cross grenades?

Pretty neat either way.
Any new sword stuff planned? I love sword stuff

>>2233235
Yeah, I usually play singleplayer in windowed mode. I can see how 1080p could become a problem.

>>2233237

It's St. Peter's cross, but it looks more hardcore this way so sssshhhhh.

Aside from the dramatic uppercut rehaul on the git, I've been experimenting with dashing moves, such as the oft-requested Stinger. I'm not happy with the result, though, so I haven't pushed it.
I like the idea of different moves when you slash mid-dash, though, and it gives the swordfighting a little bit more depth than beat-'em-up-style mashing M1.

>>2233243
You want dash moves?

Have you ever played Hagane?
It let you do three forward flips, if you attack after each flip you do a different move.
Each flip made you do a stronger attack.

So this is probably a stupid idea but how about:
>Break the big dash into three smaller dashes
>After each dash is it's own unique attack

If not then maybe you can have a running attack like how Crossfire did it.
Where going faster during a sprint charged up a meter for your melee attack that made it do ridiculous damage at full charge.

What's the uppercut rehaul?

>>2233249

>Hagane
>Robotic ninja
>strider-esque action
>boss battles out the ass
>all dem weapons
>those flip attacks

>>2233249

I'm not fond of the idea of reducing the big dash, especially considering how many people use it for the sake of quick and extreme mobility, but multiple different attack chains to press the attack would be cool.
If this works out, I'll experiment with that down the line.

The uppercut rehaul is kind of simple--the previous system was tedious to use because it required being perfectly still and setting up the uppercut, instead of being able to naturally use it whenever. Plus, a lot of people simply wanted to decide against using a special attack instead of being forced to uppercut.
Since the uppercut isn't a vital move required to do things with, it's getting moved to optional keys. Because of that, it can be used much faster and more often--from rest, after shooting guns, or still while holding attack.

>>2233257
crossover with trailblazer when

>>2233257
Well my idea wasn't really to make the big dash removed completely, only to segment it somehow.

Whether it is 3 seperate dashes or 1 big dash where the time you push the attack button changes the move you get, the idea I was mostly thinking was to have multiple dash attack options.

However I think the second thing I said there wouldn't work on laggy servers since the dash becomes like a teleport

I am just happy to hear there will be a proper dash attack regardless. I love the concept of blowing through projectiles and smacking a monster for considering it.
And I'd love a Stinger move but I can see why it wouldn't fit too well considering a katana isn't really made for stabbing.

>Seperate button to do the uppercut
This is a change I really like since launching enemies felt inconvenient even though it would be pretty handy to dash in and launch a demon I don't like to keep it incapacitated while I kill everything else without doing a special.

>>2233260

Probably never. Sorry.
Have this as a consolation.

>>2232795
Every time I see Power Slave posted, I feel like watching that history of the Build engine video on youtube. I don't know why that makes me feel so relaxed.

>>2233264
>>2233257
Also technically wouldn't it be possible to have two dash attacks as is by having a dashing uppercut and dashing normal attack?

Would it also be possible to have a direction + uppercut button for more kinda special but not super moves available?
Or a mix of normal slashes and maybe a combo finisher with the uppercut button now?

I am not sure if any of this is feasible or even good ideas, but I was wondering.

>>2233264
>I am just happy to hear there will be a proper dash attack regardless.

Well, keep in mind this is still "working on". Something might suddenly break horribly and it'll turn out to be unfeasible. But it's an idea I really, really want to do, and one of the reasons v0.75's been taking a while is because I'm trying to figure out how to properly do this.

>>2233283

Technically speaking, yes, it would be extremely possible. Just do a check for the uppercut item + dash dummy item instead of the fire state + dash dummy item, and viola, your attack count is doubled.
Doubling the amount of unique attacks and making sure (almost) all of them are (relatively) useful and applicable is definitely a key for a minor aneurysm, though.

Still, while we're in pipe dream mode, I wouldn't mind being able to lunge in with a dashing uppercut, M1 an enemy while they're in mid-air, and then finish with a special uppercut move that sends them down into ground for a stylish death.

Why did they make so that the Sigil drains your health every time you fire it? you never have enough health to finish off a boss. I am so fucking done with this game.

>>2233296
I think you can do a dash attack.

You should check out Crossfire for reference on how it made it's melee attack get stronger with the sprint meter.

Maybe it would show a way to do a special dash specific attack?

I'm not very knowledgeable of how DECORATE works unfortunately or I'd try to actually provide something tangible instead of speaking what is probably incorrect information.

Personally I'd like to go in with a lunging stab attack and then do like an upward slash with like a jump.
Think FF7's Climhazzard.

I mean honestly with that sword sheathing for supers you're throwing in and that uppercut slash the only thing I could really want at that point are like DMC style combos involving timing(Nothing over elaborate, just the few slash combos) and maybe some cool stuff punches unique to Iron Maiden mode.

Also I really really love Iron Maiden mode. It has some of my favorite punches in any first person game. I just wish the specials had their own punch style moves instead of being reskinned sword specials with cutting waves.

Not that the back special doesn't fit in, but I just love that feeling of impact on the punches and wish the specials reflected that kind of oomph.

>>2233268
brb making this an addon

(17/22 frames done)

>>2233305
How do you have so little health? Git gud.

>>2233309
I'm playing on the hardest difficulty

>>2233305
The idea was that the weapon was so powerful that it needed to have a limited ammo pool.

It would also not fit the setting or story to collect "Sigil shells" or "Boxes of Sigil rockets" or any sort of ammo.

That's why it takes health.

If you're playing on the hardest difficulty then you really need to limit your mistakes as much as possible and try your best. You might have to redo whole areas too

>>2233318
Well there's your problem, the highest difficulty is like Nightmare in Doom, only even more retarded because of Strife's greater emphasis on hitscanners.

>>2233306

I'll check out Crossfire, thank you.
Don't worry about not being knowledgeable about Decorate--half the fun is thinking up of crazy ideas and wild possibilities. A lunging stab and a jumping uppercut is perfectly possible, for example.

Glad to hear you like Iron Maiden, I have a lot of fun with that punching. I'm looking into completely replacing the HUD sprites with something punchier--with them, I'll be able to redo the specials to have a lot more impact.
For example, I'm looking to have forward special be a forearm smash leading into an exploding punch. If done in mid-air, it will be a Rider Kick.

If the artist doesn't come through with the new sprites, though, this is another "might be nice" thing that may not happen.

Still, I like to be optimistic.

>>2233321
>>2233325
I just finished it and got the bad ending. lol

I'm getting a new computer soon.

When I get a video card, isn't it best to get Nvidia because they pay attention to OpenGL better than other card devs?

>>2233334
>Forearm smash into exploding punch
>Rider kick
Oh my god that sounds really amazing.
I hope the artist does go through with it, I'd love to see that in action.

>>2233339
Nvidia generally has better drivers, too.

>>2233308
All frames done, now to add the decorate and the other stuff

>>2233339
I'm not an nvidia shill, but i've been switching between my 6870 and my 560ti over the past 4 years and comparing the two.

You will most likely have far less trouble with Nvidia cards. Just make sure you get a good brand card that has a good cooler on it. In my personal experience while AMD have improved their drivers quite a bit since the days of old when everybody used to make fun of them, you still have more issues with games on amd.

for instance, i could only get max payne 1 to run on my nvidia card. Whereas on my 6870 it fails to even run. Even running it in Win98 compatibility mode and all that shit fails to do anything. With nvidia it just werks.

The only thing i can fault Nvidia for is their jewish gimmicky bullshit for things like G-Sync. Freesync is a far better implementation and nvidia have flat out said that they won't be supporting the VESA fressync standard so fuck them.

TL:DR; Go with nvidia. you will have less problems.

>>2233347
>I'm not an nvidia shill
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT A SHILL WOULD SAY THOUGH, ISN'T IT

I believe you, just pulling your leg.

>>2233321
Well, you trusted the green alien spooky raspy masked guy. Yeah. Try kicking his shit in first next time, the bad route skips a big chunk of the game.

Anyway, for the Sigil, just get medkits and look for secret caches (they're everywhere), or buy from shops if all else fails. You automatically heal yourself, so load up and Sigil away.

http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Skill_level#Strife_skill_levels
Oh yeah, the highest difficulty is pretty much bullshit mode for masochists. Not impossible, but Elite is fine for a first playthrough.

It's done.

Since it uses the sword's damagetype (so that it dismembers enemies), it makes the sword kill sound whenever you kill an enemy. Not much I can do without needing to change the monster actors.

>>2233383
>Minigun that shoots flying blades
Bam, explanation for sword kill sounds.

>>2233385
i approve of this.

>>2233378
meant for
>>2233338

>>2233268
what's with the pink ribbon

>>2233383
Here's the addon if anyone wants it: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/70702956/Doom/DemonSteele_Skullthrottle.pk3

Replaces BFG, and it's in slot 6.
I'm too lazy to make ammo more common, you'll just have to find more BFGs

>>2233378
That's the thing. I killed the oracle but macil still somehow went crazy and turned on me when i went back to the front

Is there a way to enlarge the proportions/dimension of a map selection?

It's hard to center details in a large room I'm making where the details have to be symmetrical, is there a kind of "trick" to it?

>>2233142
Pretentious edge, really.

>>2233305
It is absolutely necessary that you stock up on as many health packs, stimpacks and first aid kits and surgery kits as possible when you go off to face a boss.

>>2233459
cool, so we can have "art wads" as a means of pushing shitty social commentary?

Happy Valentine's day, VRDOOM. How's everything?

>>2233487
Trying to psyche myself up into getting back into mapping.

I've invested that much time in learning how, may as well keep going and make a product.

>>2233487
Unreal? Quake 2? What engine is this based on?

>>2233490

Quake 1..

You know what really pisses me off in terrytards? They really do think they DO put efforts in their WADs. What the fuck?

>>2233494
That's okay buddy. Let the tears flow, you'll feel better afterward.

>>2233495
>Let the tears flow
Oh, you sure got me there. The only thing that made me tear a little today is that stupid fucking recaptcha.

>>2233496
Sure, sure, let's pretend you weren't crying earlier when you whined about terryfans.
That's okay, I understand, you're afraid for your virility.

>>2233494

I've seen at least three times in our threads how they play devil's advocate when their works get shat on

And speaking of passive-aggresive posts...

>>2233501
No, you can't alter my memories.

>>2233503
That's too late, my newfriend.
Now repeat after me: "I love Big Brother".

>>2233504
namboner, is that you?

>>2233494
>>2233495
>>2233496
>>2233501
>>2233502
>>2233503
>>2233504
It started out shit but got funny at the end.

>>2233506
No, my name is O'Brien.
Do you like rats?

>>2233452
Try to select sectors you want to change and press E.
Usually there's a little dash in the line's center which shows where the line is facing. You can also divide room in parts or just count distance with 64x64 grid.

>>2233508
No.

>>2233512
Good.

>>2233489
what kind of thing do you want to make?

>>2233510
Huh, not exaaaaaactly what I had in mind but I think this will give me a workaround, thanks breh.

>>2233514
A level where you kill shit up like a mad cunt.

>>2233490
Its Quake 1 using the Quakespasm sourceport in a map pack called Rubicon 2. I used gifcam to make this.

>>2233517
Show your map because I don't get what you're trying to achieve. Also, I hope you use grid size to your advance.

>>2233520
>Show your map

But it looks poo atm :P

I'm more in the process now of remember how I did everything and catching up to my train of thought as to where I was when I stopped late last year, I appreciate your sentiment though mate.

>>2233420
Updated the file, now replaces the chaingun instead of the BFG, since the Iron Maiden is meant to replace the BFG

Was GMOTA updated?

I have a question about GZdoom.
Are the settings saved on the same file each time? For example, if I play Brutal Doom, and bind reload to R , if I play another mod and rebind R to another thingy, will I have to reset everything each time?

>>2233534

Not yet. Sorry. I still have a few more things that I'm dragging my lazy ass on with. Specifically:

+Make POW status loseable from melee attacks, mage gunner charge shots
+finish up HUD sprites for shield
+Implement crash charge drops (replace weapon spawns, maybe)
+get sprites for crash expanders
+add animation for super sword throw


No more crunching either, so 1.0 isn't gonna be the for realsies finished thing because trying to cram another like, 8 monsters into the next two updates would be pretty fucking hard

>>2233551
>+Make POW status loseable from melee attack
Oh dear god no, Cave Story had a similar system and it was a giant bitch.

>>2233551
With your indecision and laziness, I'll be surprised if Gaymota ever reaches 1.0 status before tsp reaches 4.0 at this rate!

>>2233560
I think every time I talk to Kegan he's working on GMOTA, so it's definitely not laziness. Dude is trying hard to make things fun and also have balance/depth. That takes experimentation and trial + error.

I'm releasing something TSP-related today. Not a new build or anything, just...something else.

>>2233560
Yes, it's way better to never go anything and act smug when someone actually tries to do something, amirite?

>>2233564
Oh I work on plenty of things, Drive and motivation has been depressingly low for a while now, to be honest.

>>2233570
>Oh I work on plenty of things
>says Anonymous
Yeah, and I'm Queen Elizabeth.

>>2233570
:^)

>>2233571
Let's see:
1.) Slowly working on a enemy mod, although that's more personal use at the moment
2.) Slowly developing a mod that involves fisticuffs.
3.) I tinker with a mod involving fighting both marines and demons as a rebel
4.) I stare hard at a mod where you play as an overly shaky punk that got juked in the side by a bum who wouldn't take his shit no more, as if staring at all the code I did would make trying to salvage what was done by it's original author worth it.

So... I dunno, whatever you want to believe, I guess.

>>2233590
Hah.

>>2233603
Let's see :
1.) Waking up in the morning, listen to the Prime Minister's whining
2.) Have to listen to the Scots' whining.
3.) Watch a fight between a Britannic boxer and an Irish boxer : have the winning Irish assassinated later.
4.) Receives phone call from European Union about how the Commonwealth isn't good

>>2233548
you won't have to rebind every time, different mods save their key bindings in different settings in your zdoom.ini.

>>2233624
Awesome!

>>2233603
>got juked in the side

Nigga broke his ankles?

>>2233654
No, he was stabbed. These were the author's words, not mine... I dunno what he was thinking when he wrote the lore for this mod.

>>2232923
how about alternate death animation, where her collar brakes, and the rest of the body reappears, allowing our dicking friend to do his job?