/vr/ - Retro Games

>>2223178
>megadrive
Are you in euroland and/or have access to a scart TV ? if yes get a RGB scart cable (not the official one, it sucks), with shielded audio.
RGB>svideo>>>>composite>>RF

>>2223178
With megadrive/genesis you really should go RGB scart. the picture is perfect.

not OP but related question. I have a jap md1. Does it matter if i use a euroscart lead - to SCART to RGB and Sync converter - to PVM? or do need a jap scart converter?

>>2223618
Doesn't the PVM use BNC inputs? Just need to make sure you're using the correct breakout cable.

>>2223629
yeah it does i've got that stuff i'm just worried because don't the japanese use a different scart standard? I was wondering if the jap md1 outputs rgb differently

>>2223636
They're the same standard, just different pin out. Now rather or not the PAL consoles have a different AV out I don't know. I know PALShit Saturn is different.
What sync clean/stripper are you using?

As long as you're using the right breakout cable it should be fine. Scart and jp21 need different break out cables.

>>2223640
I'm getting one of these anon: http://www.tvcables.co.uk/cgi-bin/tvcables/RGBS-SCART-ADAPTER.html

I will plug the seperate colours + the sync into the bnc adapters and the scart into a Mega drive scart cable. I just don't know which md scart cable to buy.

>>2223659
Why not get actual BNC connectors? A female scart to male BNC.

>>2223178
At the top of my head and beyond what you already have your eye on:

-Original Streets of Rage
-Sonic 3&Knuckles
-Alien Soldier
-Gunstar Heroes
-Shinobi III
-Shadow Dancer: The Secret of Shinobi
-Ghost Busters
-Splatterhouse 2 and 3
-Comix Zone
-Contra Hard Corps
-Ristar
-Thunderforce III and IV
-Shining Force I & 2
-Phantasy Star (buy an adaptor), II and IV
-Road Rash II
-Empire of Steel/Steel Empire
-Rocket Knight Adventures and Sparkster
-Robocop Verus The Terminator
-X-Men 2: The Clone Wars
-The Adventures of Batman & Robin
-Castlevania: Bloodlines
-Monster World IV
-Alien Storm
-Earthworm Jim 1 and 2
-General Chaos
-Gaiares
-Ecco the Dolphin 1 and 2
-Musha Aleste
-Herzog Zwei
-Desert Strike and Jungle Strike
-The Ooze
-Pulseman
-Mega Turrican
-Ranger X
-Battle Mania 1 and 2
-Kid Chameleon
-Alisia Dragoon
-Cool Spot
-ToeJam & Earl 1-3
-McDonald's Treasure Land Adventure
-Garfield: Caught in the Act
-Beavis and Butt-Head
-Golden Axe I-III
-Gauntlet IV
-Dragon's Fury
-Mickey Mania
-Decap Attack
-Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The Hyperstone Heist
-Light Crusader
-Zero Tolerance
-Crusader of Centy
-Zero Tolerance
-Vectorman
-Panorama Cotton
-Target Earth
-Eliminate Down
-Atomic Runner
-Exo Squad
-Gain ground
-Wings of Wor
-Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine/Puyo Puyo 1 and 2
-E-Swat
-Super Fantasy Zone

Just to name a few.

>>2223659
I think you just need female scart to bnc, so that you can connect any scart console to your PVM.
something like that
http://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/sony-pvm-scart-converter-bnc.html
be sure to take euroscart/peritel/euro21. JP21 is less common and is wired differently (unless of course all your console cables are JP21)

>>2223670
It's just what I have already

>>2223618
>not OP but related question. I have a jap md1. Does it matter if i use a euroscart lead - to SCART to RGB and Sync converter - to PVM? or do need a jap scart converter?

All the RGB cables for the Megadrive are aftermarket, and they'll all work the same on all units.

The ONE exception is the French R.V.B Megadrive version, and the special scart cable that came with it - has a little extra boss in the cable. The console itself has some hardware changed around in it (mostly removed), and the little box on the scart cable has extra stuff inside to make the cable working. Those two are not really compatible with other, aftermarket RGB cables.

Dunno if the Megadrive 2 had those versions: I'd assume not because the a/v out has changed.

>>2223709
You're going to need to use rca to bcn cables then. Assuming your sync stripper causes no issues. You'll also need an audio breakout before the sync stripper.

>>2223712
MD2 also has a official RGB cable, that was bundled with french MD2s. Unlike the one for MD1, it works with every MD2 model.

HOWEVER it has serious design faults which result in visual and sound interference. It's highly recommended to use a good aftermarket one instead, making sure sound is shielded and RGB wires are properly wired (cap+resistor)

>>2223178
>RF/antenna cable
Never ever.

>Composite
Absolutely disgusting.

>S-Video
We're getting there. Tolerable/Good.

>SCART RGB
What you should always use.

>VGA
Splendid on Dreamcast, but SCART is very good too.

>>2223765
You have no idea what you're talking about, friend.

>>2223765
Pisses me off that there's nothing inbetween composite and RGB when it comes to genesis. Either you deal with blurry/bleeding image via composite, you mod your system, or you need to deal with the hassle of SCART-BNC with a fucking PVM or RGB-YUV transcoder for a regular merican TV.

>>2223775
Go on?

>Does an AV cable make the games look clearer compared to an RF/antenna cable

Yes. But if your TV has a SCART input, you should get an RGB SCART cable.

>>2223779

There are s-video mods.

>>2223780
Svideo and scart are near indistinguishable. Unless you know what to look for you're not going to see a difference.
None of the retro consoles take advantage of VGA.

>>2223797

>Svideo and scart are near indistinguishable.

I wouldn't go that far, but s-video is acceptable in most circumstances.

>>2223779
>>2223779
Pisses me of that 'murica had been waiting till the late 90s to make s-video somewhat a standard, refusing to use SCART because of royalties. Decades of lagging behind the rest of the world.

Kinda like imperial vs metric today, actually.

>>2223797
Nah. S-Video can have quite obvious color bleeding. It's miles ahead composite, still, and most tolerable.

>>2223801
Some games maybe.
>>2223810
>Nah. S-Video can have quite obvious color bleeding.
Problem with your display or cable then.
>>2223806
We had component before Europe. Not that video games took advantage.

>>2223797
Dreamcast has a 3rd party VGA cable.

>>2223797
svideo is the best possible if you care about dithering tricks. No crawl is a huge plus over composite
Still wouldn't trade it for rgb tho, pixel clarity rocks.

>>2223797
>None of the retro consoles take advantage of VGA.
Dreamcast is retro.

>>2223815
>>2223816
I stick to scart too. That's what my scaler uses and it's far easier to find transcoder devices for scart than it is svideo.
However, Svideo is very close to scart and I'd say equal in most areas and applications.
>>2223814
If it used the common 640x480p standard sure. Instead it used 720x480p which wasn't common even then. It doesn't use the full 720 lines either.
Using a full retard output isn't taking advantage of vga.

>>2223786
>you mod your system
Hence why I mentioned this.

point being, you have to jump through hoops to get a decent picture from the genesis if you're american. And personally I think investing the time/effort/money into an s-video mod is dumb. Might as well spend an equal amount to get RGB-YUV.

>>2223178
A while back I wanted to get another Genesis, but someone recommended to me the Ultimate Genesis Collection on 360 instead (I don't have a PS3).

It is a great little collection, and if don't want to pirate, it's definitely the greatest bang for your buck, and the emulation is solid. But I played it for a couple of hours and decided to just return it and get a real Genesis.

I had two problems with it. One being that it is a 360 game with wide aspect ratio support for HD TV's and yet there is a great amount of input lag. So that makes any sort of platformer such as Sonic pretty much impossible to play, But even if that wasn't an issue, the 360's D-Pad is absolute shit and only ruins things even more.

It's just not the same. And somehow my actual Genesis' games do not suffer from input lag? How does that even work. But it doesn't matter because I just got a good CRT for it anyways.

Also while the collection is amazing, it was missing some key titles like Bloodlines, Hardcorps, Toejam & Earl, and Sonic 3 & Knuckles.

>tfw ridiculous prices for gunstar heroes, contra hard corps, castlevania bloodlines, shining force 2, truxton, etc

still feels better than being a SNES collectorfag, but holy shit

>>2224072
First I have to own the fucking SNES, and I only want the later model so it's probably gonna run me even more. Then I can start collecting it's crazy, overpriced games.

That will be years from now I expect.

I already have 5 game systems I buy games for, including my Genesis and I can't afford anything else at the moment on my salary.

>>2224078
Maybe somewhere down the line I'll pick up a SNES and an everdrive, but right now fuck that shit. Of course, I'm personally against collecting from scratch as opposed to just adding titles to a collection naturally amassed from childhood. It's just an easier pill to swallow that way.

Doesn't help that everything SNES-related is expensive as fuck. The games are expensive, the system itself is way too expensive, and even the flashcarts are like double the prices of flashcarts for other systems.

>>2224090
Only a handful of the good games are actually above their retail price.

>>2224090
I love how the Genesis has a good few multicarts too.

I could have picked up Revenge of Shinobi, Sonic the Hedgehog, Super Hang on, Columns, Golden Axe, and Streets of Rage at 5 dollars a pop at the local shop. Instead I picked up the 6-Pak for 4 bucks.

And I only collect to play so I won't ever have to buy all of them separately.

>>2223716
i was just going to use the headphone jack

>>2224095
I would love to own a physical copy of Earthbound so badly. But if I can afford Earthbound then I can afford a Wii-U, and an extra 10 dollars for the VC port.

I had assumed that with the VC release of EB, the physical shit would get cheaper, but I guess there aren't enough Wii-U owners to offset the cost.

>>2224095
but it's no longer 1993 and therefore those games are now expensive.

And most of them certainly would be higher than retail price if we're comparing apples to apples (new, sealed) or even just comparing new retail to CIB now.

>>2224098
That game wont get cheaper because of the oligopoly enabled by ebay.
>>2224101
Most of those games used would had been around $40 at that time. Going by that the majority of good games are still cheaper.

I really don't think they're that expensive. But then again I got most my collection before the shitstorm.

>>2224098
That's not how it works. People that just want to play the game have emulators. Nobody spends hundreds on an old game just to play it. They spend that much so they can truly own it in physical form. Buying a license to play the Wii U's emulation of a game vs your PC's emulation of a game means nothing in that regard.

If anything, prices shoot up after a game gets released on things like VC, because it brings attention and causes more people to want to buy the original. It's no coincidence that old game prices started exploding after the wii virtual console became a thing.

>>2224095
if you take into account inflation, then yes, hardly any of the games are above their retail price. Because if you take Chrono Trigger for example, the game was $80.00 at launch, which would have amounted to around $150.00 in today's market, but IN today's market, it sells for around 100 bucks.

>>2224106
I go out of my way to play physical copies. Not a fan of emulation.
>>2224108
That's an exception. Looks at game like the final fanatsies, contra, castlevanie 4, yoshi island, starfax, street fighter, mortal kombat, etc. All much cheaper than when they were new/used.

>>2224112
>Not a fan of emulation.
Same here. it's just not the same. Instead of just playing the game while slouched over a keyboard. I can experience it by playing it on it's respective hardware, on an old CRT, while sitting comfortably in my bean bag chair.

>>2224115
you could literally do all that with a PC. Or emulators on a wii/ps3/xbox/etc if you really can't stand the idea of using a PC. There are even controller adapters for wii.

I like having the original stuff too, don't get me wrong, but don't act like there's actually a difference in terms of pure gameplay between original vs emulation. Especially when it comes to 8/16 bit consoles where we have, for all intents and purposes, perfect emulation.

>>2224119
The guy he was quoting here. Most of the main games run fine emulated. However, there's a lot that don't and a lot that aren't perfect. You also aren't using real cartridges.

>>2224123
>lots that don't run perfect
like what? for SNES, Genesis, NES, mind you. Later stuff I agree.

>aren't using real cartridges
from a pure gameplay standpoint, this is completely pointless. From the standpoint of "I get a warm fuzzy feeling from actually owning all these games" then yeah, I agree completely. It feels a lot cooler to have a shelf of games than it does to have a folder of ROMs. The point I'm making is that the physical carts are for pure sentimental value and stuff like that.


And I forgot to add that if emulation truly was inferior, then the superior option would still be a flashcart (and buying the select few games that don't work properly with one on SNES)

>>2224119
I'm not saying that there are differences. And until about 2 years ago, it's what I did. I hooked my PC upto my TV and playing on the couch with a 360 rock candy controller. But just knowing that it was the real thing bugged me, because I made no effort to obtain any of these games. I went onto a bit torrent website and downloaded a pack that had every officially licensed Genesis game in existence, in 7 minutes. And these games can be deleted and re-downloaded just as easily. This turned me off from ever finishing a game because I could drop it at any second and start playing something else out of the hundreds of games I had downloaded.

I buy them because it gives me a sense of entitlement over them, it gives me the truest of experiences, and I don't just go out and buy everything because it requires effort and money, so I can sit there and enjoy something for a little while, like a did as a child.

>>2224132
Well Genesis in particular the sound is off in almost every game. None of them are truly 100%.

Flashcarts are the exact same thing as playing the real game.

>>2224132
Scooby Doo for example. The sound is terrible when emulated.

>>2224138
even on BSNES?