/vr/ - Retro Games

>>2210010
I guess because ken is probably a ripoff of some manga character anyway

Capcom invented kimono suits and blonde hair.

>>2210020
You can have them both wear karate gear and still make them look distinct. Ryo is literally just Ken with a new name.

>>2210010
>>2210021
Dude, I know, but here's the thing:

Japan doesn't sue on a whim like companies (and lots of actual people) do in the U.S.

Because unlike Smashfags, Capcom wasn't going to butthurt by the existence of a clone.

>>2210032
It's-a me! Franco!

Different style, different proportions, different level of detail, different hair, etc. Yeah, they certainly look similar no doubt about it, but as long as they didn't literally swipe the sprite, this falls more under "direct inspiration" than under "total ripoff." Plus, as has been alluded to already, I would bet that most characters in SF were inspired by if not directly referenced from either manga characters or real people (see: JP M. Bison/US Balrog, and later Fei Long).

The Data East lawsuit explains all.

Japanese videogame companies steal content left and right anyway. No one cares.

A brazilian movie starred by an ex-pornstar and former prostitute turned entertainer called Xuxa shameless ripped Blanka design for a character called "Curupira". Capcom didn't sue, possibly because Xuxa has connections to Mossad and organized crime.

The movie is "Xuxa E O Tesouro Da Cidade Perdida".

hey guys what's goin on in this thread

>>2210062
i.e. Revenge of Shinobi. Although in that case they did have to remove the copyrighted characters.

>>2210090

I just realized Blanka was inspired by the Curupira, except he doesn't have the legs backwards.

>>2210090
>an ex-pornstar and former prostitute turned entertainer called Xuxa

Source? Pretty sure that's not at all true.

>>2210010
>>2210091
>Ryo was a ripoff of Ryu/Ken
>Dan was Capcom making fun of Ryo
>Shingo was to Kyo what Dan was to Ryu, even though Dan was making fun of Ryo, who was ripped off from Ryu

This shit makes my head spin

>>2210108
Xuxa did softcore porn before being an entertainer.

About lawsuits, in the Data East one, there were more grounds to sue for being a straight clone, since there were too many similarities:
- Yungmie's legs are ripped, like Chun-li's;
- Yungmie's walking backwards animation is the same as Ryu's
- Ray's stance and walking animation are the same as Ken's
- Jean was a Guile ripoff, through and through

The biggest offender is Yungmie, anyway. Karnov was already an established character way before this game, and Mizoguchi was a shotoclone that only copied the command inputs. Everything else was different.

>>2210010
didnt the character designer of street fighter jump ship and made the art of fighting characters?

Trivia: Fuuma's AI was virtually identical to Ken's AI. He would do three DPs one after the other, then that spinning attack.

>>2210121
Shingo is Kyo's Sakura, not Ryu.
Both are fans, they mimic their idols with varying degrees of success, and have various comic relief attacks (Sakura being tripped, Shingo using the three kicks and falling on his head).

>>2210134
*Shingo is Kyo's Sakura, not Dan

>>2210020
>kimono suits

>>2210128
Street Fighter II had a lot of character designers. The thing with SF characters is that a few of them are based on manga or real-world characters, so they're already "copies" to an extent. However, what Fighter's History did was copy SF, not the characters that SF copied from.

Useless trivia: one of the character designers was a woman, Eri Kitamura. She designed E.Honda, and was also responsible for Chun-li's voice and Vega's yell.

>>2210020
Gimono, not Kimono. Kimono are for girls.

>>2210103
The only thing Blanka has in common with Curupira is the red hair.
Curupira isn't green, Curupira doesn't have any electric powers, Curupira isn't called Jimmy, Curupira is not even a freaking human, but some kind of spirit elemental.

Blanka was inspired by Tarzan. Originally Blanka was just a "wild man", but they turned him green to make him more exotic.

>>2210108
She did some soft movies and hardcore pics (bought and destroyed by her former partner, Pele). Also, she was a stripper in Rio's nightclubs, where she met a Mossad agent and drug dealer responsible for her "modelling career". I forgot his name.

>>2210128
I know that the designer of the very first Street Fighter worked in Fatal Fury series.

>>2210134
URA URA URA

>>2210010
>Why weren't there lawsuits issued out the ass by Capcom?

Because they decided to make fun of them with >>2210091 instead

>>2210151
That's wrong. Kimono (着物) is a generic term for clothing as is Gi (着), they just have been supplanted by Fuku (服) for everyday use.

>>2210143
>The thing with SF characters is that a few of them are based on manga or real-world characters,
ALL of them. Really.
http://www.fightingstreet.com/folders/variousinfofolder/ripofffolder/ripoffpage1.html

>>2210184
But fuku is poisonous

>>2210151
>Gimono

What verbal diarrhea are you spilling, kimono is unisex clothing, there's no such thing as a gimono

>>2210187
A lot of these are tenuous at best. Abel and Tintin? C'mon.

>>2210151
Your weaboo bait is weak, my friend.

>>2210189
Not if you fold it enough times.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ふく#Japanese

ITT: a bunch of fools who don't understand or haven't heard of parody/satire laws.

>>2210010
Original platformer do not steal

>>2210302
Nintendo didn´t like it and pulled strings to get it off the shelves.

>>2210334
This surely loks familiar.

>>2210338
I'm sure I've seen this scene somewhere else.

>>2210202
They list inspirations, but also similarities.

>>2210341
It's as if they were mocking a certain game ending, I don't know.

>>2210341
Hohoho.

>>2210348

>>2210348
our WHAT??? Don't leave me hanging bro!

Get it?

>>2210413
Ha that's actually pretty clever. I always thought they looked alike.

>>2210050
Hi haggar

>>2210090
¿O sea que la demanda se fue a la Xuxa?

>>2210143
>Useless trivia: one of the character designers was a woman, Eri Kitamura. She designed E.Honda, and was also responsible for Chun-li's voice and Vega's yell.

really? i always tought that up until Super SF, all voices were done by a guy.

>>2210090
>this entire post
Simply ebin, my compatriot monkey.

>>2210090
>A brazilian movie starred

>ex-pornstar and former prostitute turned entertainer

>Blanka design for a character called "Curupira"

>connections to Mossad and organized crime.

>The movie is "Xuxa E O Toruaesoo Da Cuidasde Preddiaa".

>>2210574
>Xuxa E O Toruaesoo Da Cuidasde Preddiaa
Did you seriously try to write it instead of copy pasting?

>>2210576

I thought Ryo's character design came first.

>>2210696
Ken's from 1987, and Ryo's from 1992.

>>2210010
didnt/doesnt SNK have financial ties to capcom?

>>2210020
It's a Gi.

>>2210302
Anyone who actually played both SMB and GGS will realize the two games actually play very differently. As a fan of both games I must admit that SMB is just the better game, strictly due to the super tight control.
But Mario can suck Giana's cock when it comes to music. The only reason the mario theme is so popular is because the game is so good.

That being said it was fucking stupid to make the first level of GGS look so much like SMB's 1-1. Also literally baiting Nintendo by writing "The brothers are dead" on the box cover.

But the came from the world of C64 where stealing, ripping and even using copyrighted music was okay.

>>2210187
Seems legit.

It's not like Capcom isn't guilty of this as well.
http://jojo.wikia.com/wiki/Rudol_von_Stroheim

>>2211008
>Music
Dunno 'bout the original but SMW has some pretty god damn tight trax.
Dat 16-bit banjo.

>>2211017
>blondes with pigtails and blue are blonde with pigtails and blue
wow

Copyright wasn't that big of a deal in the pre-Napster era. Videogames were stealing from eachother left and right, but no one really cared. The Doom soundtrack contains tons of riffs that are blatantly stolen from famous rock/heavy metal songs. Also hip hop music in the 90s used tons of famous samples without anyone being sued either which is amazing considering how blatant that was as well. Having lived with DMCA for this long it's hard to to imagine anything else. Oh well, RIP early 90s

>>2211017
>SFZ3 came out in June 1998
>PPG came out in November 1998

Yep they sure stole that design alright

>>2211137
also the japs were not that strict in copyrights. They always stole shit from each other. More so in those days since video games were thought of as throwaway entertainment in a way.

>>2210010
Yeah how is it allowed that capcoms sprite looks shittier. HOW COULD THEY ALLOW THAT?!

>>2211146
Because one is from 1991 and the other is from 1996.

>>2211139
PPG was around quite a bit before that. The pilot was part of the what a cartoon show in the mid nineties.
>Your age is showing kid.

>>2211008
>>2211137
>>2211145
Its amazing how taking inspiration from other works is defined by most of you as "stealing".
Todays world is horrible.

>>2211224
>>2211008
>>2211137
>>2211145
>>2210010

>"Good artists copy, great artists steal." - Pablo

benimaru from kof is based off that guy from jojos

rose is based off czech model paulina porizkova

>>2210568
ylilauta images do not belong on 4chan

>>2210021
>Ryo is literally just Ken with a new name.
They don't actually look that much alike at all outside the blond hair and gi. And Ryo's gi is orange, not red. It just has a darker shade in AOF3.

>>2211224
maybe stealing is the wrong word, but inspired also doesn`t seem right in some cases

>>2211243
>ylilauta
>brazilian singer
And spurdo is already internet culture, son.

I knew Ash was similar to Remy, but I've been playing some SF3 lately and they're almost clones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpntMeUjTmc
Koshiro is a hack.

At least they didn't get sued like these guys. I love the game though.

>>2210128
You're right a lot of people don't seem
to know the designers were the same,
Hiroshi Matsumoto. Pic unrelated

>>2211285
and the rest of Streets of Rage 2 was largely "inspired" by Vendetta / Crime Fighters 2. They even copied the leather dude, but skipped the humping dogs.

>>2211146
Those are both made by Capcom in that
pic
Street Fighter 2 Capcom vs SnK 2

>>2211285
What the fuck.

>>2210302
Always made me wonder how they got through with this. Great game but what a rip off.

>>2211285

Some of these are pretty clear, but others are really stretching and seem added to pad the video, and are just similar in stule with entirely seperate keys and melodies.

>>2211310
No. The Ryo sprite is from Art of Fighting 3.

>>2210010
because Japan.

They only have like 6 characters for everything. Think about every anime ever and how they all have the same 6 characters.

>>2211401
Paul is basically Ken + Benimaru.

>>2211309
>humping dogs
what the fug.

>>2210187
Read that yesterday, bullshit over bullshit for the most part.

>>2211217
You are saying that someone at capcom saw the PPG pilot? I don't think someone in japan would see a pilot for a show that isn't in japan.

>>2211409
There were "hard gay" dudes that humped you (and lamp posts too).

>>2211403
>>2211401
Tekken fucking sucks, what else is new.

>>2211240
Don't forget about Lisa Lisa from JoJo as well

>>2211443
>waaah I got juggled

>>2211438
why japan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKDIXDDRMqw

>>2211450
On related to that topic, this might sound stupid but - how exactly do you block in Tekken? Just leave the pad neutral and don't do anything else? Or just pull back?

>>2211434
Nips watch anything with little girls because they are congenital child molesters

>>2211458

Either

>>2211454

>That guy who killed himself fucking the streetlight

>>2211224
When I use the word "stealing" in regard to the C64 scene, I mean it quite literally. Sprites and animations were stolen and used unmodified in other games. Music were used from other games. And known musicians would find their music converted to chip tunes. Jean Michel Jarre in particular had his music used unlicensed a lot.

Don't get me wrong. I don't mind. It was a different time. But that shit wouldn't fly today.

Ironically enough I don't think Nintendo could have stopped Giana, had both games been made today. The similarities are either superficial or inherent to the platform genre.

>>2211626
>Don't get me wrong. I don't mind. It was a different time.
No it wasn't. It was the end of the fucking 20th goddamn century. Copyright had been a thing for almost three hundred years by that time.

>>2211637
No shit? And up until that point nobody gave a fuck about C64 games. Or games in general really. The industry was still young.

If you think the games industry was the same in the 1980's as it is today you are either ignorant and/or underage.

>Nintendo would be all over your ass like bears on honey.

that's coz they've been greedy fucks since the dawn of times. even nowadays they still at it, just look at this network they made on youtube. fuck nintendo, man.

>>2211787
W-w-what are you talking about, anon?

>>2211787
> just look at this network they made on youtube.

Yes, please elaborate anon.

>>2211808
They've launched some program where money-earning letsplayers will need to publish their crap through them and then Nintendo will pay them whatever it wishes ("up to 70% of ad revenue"). If you don't participate, they'll sue for selling Mario videos and win. Obviously, that's nothing compared to 100% all day everyday the letsplayers had had.

I have two comments on this.
1. Nintendo owns Mario and has the right to prevent people from earning money on game footage. They don't need the publicity, it's understandable if they want to monetize footage of their games. Unlike banning it and suing everybody, this is good capitalistic practice.
2. Fuck commercial youtubers. Fuck them with a fucking rake.

this sweaty fatass fucker will explain it better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbS16UJqH5g

>>2211815
Wow! That's fucking greedy!
Merchant intensifying!

Legally they are obviously in their good right, but I still find this horribly wrong.

Fuck Nintendo...

Maybe now some of these YouTube slackers will get a real freaking job.

It's a major dick move by Nintendo but I got no respect for these LP slobs.

Now if only they could pull something similar to those twitch streamers and their begging for donations.

>>2211778
No shit, it's the visibility of the gaming industry that's changed, not the enforcement of copyright law

>>2211843
Well, it`s all about the money in the end.

>>2210167

And funny enough Dan ended up becoming more well-known than Ryo.

>>2211787

That would explain why they removed their products from Brazil for now.

>>2211224
It goes a little beyond inspiration when it's literally clicking copy and paste.

>>2210413

is this a legit cutscene?

>>2210010
>How was this allowed? Why weren't there lawsuits issued out the ass by Capcom?

The fact that I've had to post this article so many fucking times on /v/ related boards makes me sad

take the initiative to fucking learn something for yourself for once

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighter%27s_History
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sc%C3%A8nes_%C3%A0_faire

>>2211881
I dont know what to do about the lawsuits and the nintendos and the youtubes, all i know is first you've got to get mad.

CHARIOTTT

>>2211910
That was because of tariffs raising the price of directly buying nintendo products so high that nobody was going to do it anyway, so it was more economical to pull out. From what I hear BRs mostly go secondhand or import anyway.

>>2210010
>How was this allowed? Why weren't there lawsuits issued out the ass
It was allowed because they were different games so they could have a blond white guy in each as long as the diversity quotas were met with other characters.

>>2210026
WRONG. Capcom actually sued data east because fighters history was a blatant rip off of street fighter (from the lifebars to the character selection screen). But capcom lost the dispute.

>>2212519
"tariffs".
Stop being retarded, bro. The ps4 and the xbawx1 are also being sold by ridiculously high prices in brazil and they still are doing "ok".
The whole bullshit of blaming it on the taxes is just to hide the fact that the wii u is a fucking blunder.

ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK, DO NOT STEAL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-14W5XTqL5U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-4XsDQYDi4

>>2212545
Ken even looks like the singer from Cheap Tricks

>>2212548
It is no surprise. Capcom in the 80s and early 90s loved to insert music references at any game specially from rock bands. Guy from final fight was "inspired" by fugazi singer Guy piccioto.

>>2210057
Guile is a good example. Clearly inspired by Stroheim from JoJo Part Two.

>>2211860
Sounds like someone is jelly :^)

How is LP not a real job if they can make a living?
Is being a musician or comedian not real jobs either?

No, fuck YOU. If you don't like LP, don't watch them. But supporting corporations' suppression of the users is stupid and in the end hurting everyone.
Nintendo doesn't loose anything by people making videos. They are not earning money that Nintendo would other wise have earned. In fact LPs are creating more interest in the games. But now a lot of normal people loose a way of income. Bravo Nintendo... Bravo!

>>2212662
Even though I hate letsplayers and all the shit related to them, I gotta agree with you. What nintendo is doing is dictatorial, invasive, stupid and overall greedy.
Just thinking about people forbiding someone broadcasting a game being played is akin to an amateur football player having to pay royalties to FIFA if he wants to upload a football match he played with his friends and recorded.

>>2212534
The button layout probably had something to do with to do with it. The 6 button layout was a Street Fighter-exclusive thing at that point, and went beyond the standard JAMMA hardware specifications. Which means they could have been infringing on hardware patents and such. It's telling that the sequel to Fighter's History switched to the Neo-Geo hardware and adopted its 4 button layout.

>>2212895
I wasnt just the button layout. The whole thing feels like a cheap copy. Shame on data east.

>>2210193
>there's no such thing as a gimono

brobably.

>>2212950
>karnov a rip off of dhalsim

>>2212950
eh, at least Fighter's History and Karnov's Revenge are still pretty fun
They're unreasonably imitative of SF (Karnov's Revenge a decent bit less than OG Fighter's History), but they're okay (it's amazing how much bullshit Revenge has though -- WHEEL KICK and BALLOON are so fucking dumb, who thought full-duration invincible moves was a good idea).

>>2213989
Not the other guy but that game was like streetfighter from an alternate dimension.

Karnov may predate it but his role (and fire attack) is damn near identical to dalsim

>>2214014

>>2214019
Do you see the difference in the way they drew the fire attack

The pose

The shape of the flame

I mean if everything else about FH wasn't a copy of SF maybe we'd give it the benefit of the doubt

I've read capcom vs AOF (the hadouken ripoff)
and capcom vs Data East back in 1994 EGM issues.

also here:

http://www.patentarcade.com/2005/08/case-capcom-v-data-east-nd-cal-1994-c.html

Capcom didn't win

>>2214024
>The pose
You would need to do that to get more air from your lungs

>The shape of the flame
Fire does that in the real world too.

Fire is not trademarked by Capcom.

I remember waiting for capcom to sue midway for the johnny cage shoryuken uppercut

>>2214032
interestingly enough data east got away with it because the characters were based of jap mythology.

Dont play dumb with us the movesets and backgrounds are bizzaro world clones of SF2.

>>2214028
>>2214059

Talk about a Pyrrhic victory since Data East is no more.

>>2214063
>Data East is no more.

And look the state Capcom is now... yay?

>>2214032
>Fire is not trademarked by Capcom.
But Breath of Fire is.

>>2214094

iseewhatyoudidthere.jpg

>>2211274

Someone post the right version.

Right guy is NOT based on Stallone. It's a direct copy of another shot of Arnie from Predator.

>>2212000

Yep.

>>2214035
MK copy-pasted loads of stuff from movies, but they didn't take much from Street Fighter

>>2212558
That just surprised me

>>2214301
Nogif but here.

>>2211139
You are following those arrows wrong man.

>>2214301
I'll do ya one better, chuckles.

LEFT: Solid Snake on the cover of the first Metal Gear.

RIGHT: Kyle Reese in Terminator.

>>2215026
>>2215620
>>2214301
>>2211274

We need to dig deeper

>>2211434

Nigga, do you even know?

PPG was so popular in Japan that Toei made their own anime version.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powerpuff_Girls_Z

>>2215646

>>2210010
gloves are different = characters are different

>>2215026
>>2215646
kek, even the white ninja star on his pants got copied over