/vr/ - Retro Games

>>2202526
You sound like you have issues.

Romance is a key point in character interaction. If you're "grossed out" You're likely not old enough for this board and should go back to >>/v/

>>2202531
How many time it takes to an anon realize that /vr/ is in general immature like any other board?

>>2202526
You have to be at least 18 to be posting on this website...but hey, that's actually an interesting topic either way. Off the top of my head, FFV doesn't actually have any romance, it has more of a strong shonen friendship theme.

Dragon Quest III

>>2202531
>back to >>/v9k/

FTFW

But anyway, OP, what about Pokemon R/B? or, I guess there is some, but Super Mario RPG is mostly comical when it comes to love issues.

Dragon Warrior
Final Fantasy
Final Fantasy III
Grandia sorta

Suikoden. Tir is too busy raising an army for smooching.

Out of a game with 108 recruitable characters, there are maybe 2 couples and neither of them are all that important to the story so you won't see much more than 1 or 2 sentences from them.

>>2202526

Are you a romance repulsed aromantic or just a immature kid?

Pokemon RGBY and GSC have no romance, unless you squint really hard while playing as Kris in Crystal

>>2202531
I would have rather said he finds romance annoying because it's often mediocre.

There are many RPGs that have no emotional weight on drama or romance for that matter.

Breath of Fire 3 is like that. Suikoden 1 and 2 too.

Rance. He just skips all the romance and goes straight for the sex, whether the girl likes it or not.

>>2202536
>Off the top of my head, FFV doesn't actually have any romance, it has more of a strong shonen friendship theme.

There is the scene early on where Bartz and Galuf are swooning over how hot Faris is... but they were still thinking that she was a guy!

>>2202531
You're a fucking asshole and most likely the one with issues.

>>2202675
That's not romance though, that was just Bartz and Galuf being horny and immature and Faris being a hot reverse trap. Nothing serious ever happens between Bartz and Lenna/Faris aside from comical swooning and nosebleeding, they're just friends.

A case can also be made for games with silent protags like Chrono Trigger or Breath of Fire, where romance can be at best implied or theorized.

>>2202547
>Grandia sorta

You must have forgotten like most of the interactions between the main characters.

Final Fantasy Tactics

only one girl ever gets romantically plugged with a phallic object

and in Tactics Ogre the only romance is when Kachua gets raped

>>2202526

Phantasy Star 2
and 4, mostly.

>>2202534
It was better than most boards until people with bad posting habits (/v/ what a surprise) came and changed that.

>>2202824
o yea a looong time ago, circa 2013
so fucking long

>>2202526
Dragon Quest 2. Dragon Quest 3. Dragon Quest 4.

>>2202824
Where do you think the userbase of /vr/ mostly came from? The pretension that /v/ and /vr/ have totally separate groups of people posting is so inane and transparently insecure.

>all the people ITT practically begging to catch cooties

>>2202526
what game is that in the picture

>>2202547
>Dragon Warrior
but thou must

Crystalis on the NES

>>2202907
fuck off, bitch. imma just beat the Dragonlord without ever rescuing you.

>>2202909
>not romancing the shit out of the dolphin

Did you even play Crystalis?

>>2202914
but the dolphin poops from there!

SWTOR

Terranigma

>>2202968
Is that sarcasm? There's definitely romance in Terranigma, even if it all ends tragically.

>>2202912
Is it possible? I realized that you don't get anything important from rescuing the princess, I always wondered if it was possible to finish the game without her.

>>2203003
I never actually played it, but I recall that it's not necessary to save her for game completion from some walkthrough I skimmed once.

>>2203003
If you know EXACTLY where the Hero's medal is, You can beat the game without rescuing the princess. I tried beating the game while still carrying the princess one, Don't remember if I did it.

A link to the past
The Bard's Tale
I don't remember Shining Force having any

Romancing SaGa

>>2202547
>Grandia sorta

Not remotely. Grandia has a shit ton of romance.

>>2203058
>tumblr_mdfy70i9ap1rkseopo1_1280.jpg

>>2203064
Nobody gives a shit man, this isn't /v/ or /b/. If you want to bitch about shit like that, feel free to head to either of those places.

>>2203071
gb2tumblr

>>2203071
>defending tumblr

>>2203076
>>2203078
I google search an image i'm not gonna pass something over just because of where it downloads from. You shit eating children need to leave.

>>2203064
Get out

>>2203071
Fuck off

>>2202526
Most games that feature monster raising. They prefer to focus on the monsters than the trainer, which means no romance for you.

>>2203084
Or you could change the filename and not make an ass out of yourself.

>>2203107
Yeah, nah you're a cunt

Chrono Cross.

Serge gets no pussy whatsoever, even if he does have a girlfriend at the start it makes no significance whatsoever after the first fetch quest.

>>2203107
Not even the guy who posted it, i'm just saying it's pretty much bs when people are seriously getting annoyed over this shit. Dude posts a pic, talk about the pic, not the damn filename. Seriously who the fuck cares about that, and why?

>>2203109
Fine, it's not gonna stop happening because you had an episode in this thread though.

>>2203114
I'm just giving him advice, not my fault people rallied against him, it's just how things work on this site, you have to learn to blend.

>>2203114
>who gives a shit?
It's a /v/ thing last I checked. You get it sometimes on other boards, but not even /vp/ gives a huge shit.

>>2203119
No we need to stop letting this /v/ tier shit fly around here because when /vr/ started nobody fucking cared about that shit. Then /v/ had their little shit flinging war with tumblr and they brought it here.

>>2203112
This. Even if you pick up Leena as a party member, it's the other world one and you don't even need to talk to the Home World version one at all. There's a question-answer thing you get on that mushy speech that's for the final Tech, and that's it.

>>2203114
It's one of the finer points of all the twats from /v/ not being able to talk about retro stuff on their own board, then carting their epic memes over here with them. Also, surprised nobody has mentioned 7th saga? There was pretty much no love between any 2 characters in that game.

The Front Mission series has been devoid of romance, right? Fucking awesome games, by the way.

Valkyrie Profile also has no romance. A few characters perv out over the protagonist, but she never goes for them.

>>2203058
>tumblr
Get the fuck out of here.

>>2202675
It's a joke that doesn't go anywhere after that (unless you count the ship graveyard, no romance there though), and it's optional besides.

Seriously, what's with calling OP a kid? I happen to sympathize. As a librarian and published author (not /lit/-tier, either, fuck that board of posers) I find most romance in literary fiction pretty mundane. Same goes for film and vidya. Sci-fi and mystery genres make up most of my pleasure reading and I couldn't count the number of times some shoe-horned romance detracts from the plot. Usually it involves the protagonist making a series of unintelligible decisions in the name of love. Say you're on a mission to save the world/galaxy/universe and somehow you can't suppress a few emotional and carnal desires at least as long as it takes you to fulfill your goal. For what purpose? Entertainment and excitement for your average sex-obsessed viewer/reader I suppose. And, yeah, I get that it has its place, but some of us would prefer it be absent. At least that's how OP and I feel. Something for you to consider. Not saying all media should be devoid of superfluous romance but, come on, throw the guy a bone at least.

>>2203138
Lezard rapes her and she has a girl-boner for Lucian doesn't she

I don't think Legend of Mana has any at all. Not much anyway.

>>2203152
He said "it grosses him out" That's why I gave him shit, not because he doesn't like it.

>>2203159
so what if it does?

some people are grossed out by oral sex, doesn't mean you gotta be a bitch about it

>>2203152
>librarian and published author

You might as well say you're a janitor and had a letter published in Nintendo Power once. Those "qualifications" mean shit.

>>2203152
>Sci-fi and mystery genres make up most of my pleasure reading and I couldn't count the number of times some shoe-horned romance detracts from the plot.
Funny, when OP made this thread I thought "you must be fucking kiding", old RPGs barely have any romance at all, can you really name some for me?

>>2203160
You're either just trying to argue or you're blindingly buttmad. I don't care how he feels about it. I gave him shit for using that particular phrase. Get a grip.

>>2202526
Does Diablo 2/1 really count as "retro"? If so, its right down your ally.

>>2203167
That ain't me you're replying to. Honestly? I was just taking a shit and decided to defend OP to pass the time. Not even mad, just expressing a fleeting opinion.

>>2202531
>Implying there's any games that have romance with decent writing and not hamfisted bullshit thats cringe worthy.

Ok.

The problem with video game romances, especially the ones in RPGs is that video games never seem to get romance right despite constantly trying to make it a major plot point. Some examples of this:

>RPGs trying to have romance as one of their main plot points
Usually these games go through ridiculously unbelievable shit in order to force the couples in them together and most of the time your (usually predetermined) love interest is some bland annoying teenager who isn't interesting in any way, only exist as eventual love interest for the main character and usually has no real reason to give a fuck about the main character. FFVIII is off the charts example of doing this sort of romance wrong.

>Mass Effect, dating sims and other games handling their romances in similar way
Choosing certain dialogue options and hoping to see one or two sex scene(s) as a reward for it is far-cry from being meaningful romance. Romance in games like Mass Effect and Dragon Age really feels stapled on and only seems to be there as fan-service and romance in visual novels is almost always ruined by terrible cliches and predictable plot development.

>Harvest Moon like games
Talking to and/or bringing same item to someone everyday until you have brought enough of them for someone to love you really isn't any kind of romance. Still this type of romance works reasonably well in games which use it and it isn't horribly forced or detract from the characters like the aforementioned RPG romances tend to be. However the problems mentioned under visual novels always seem to be present here as well.

>>2203167
dude you're the only one suffering from long term butt pains itt, that was my only post here

>>2203229
>pointless relationship systems
By these I mean the ones in games like FFVII or FFX where there is a relationship system in the game but you are still locked on to a predetermined love interest in the end no matter what you do during the game. I mean doesn't this take away the point of having the relationship system in there in the first place?

>uninteresting love interests
IMO this is the main problem with video game romances especially in the Japanese games which always feature the exact same stereotypes as the love interests. If there is only one predetermined one it's always some bland young girl you are supposed to find cute and if there are many potential ones the choice is usually between a shy girl, an overly feminine girl, a tomboy and a serious girl who only cares about her work or studies and these same stereotypes have been used for fucking decades now. That said western games have their own stereotypes that have been done to death.

Has romance ever been done right in video games? Can they be done right or are video game romances forever doomed to be shit?
From what I have seen no because video game romances are aimed towards 13 year olds despite the average age of gamers being near 30 nowadays.

Are there games that featuring somewhat unusual romances like ones with notable age-gap or ones where the main character does NOT get the girl in the end (which both are something movies and TV shows have been able to pull off for decades)? Should game developers simply stop trying to put romance in video games since it rarely seems to be done right and usually just make the games featuring them worse than they would have been without it?

>>2202526
From top of my head:

Brain Lord
Chaos World
Destiny of an Emperor
Dragon Quest III
Final Fantasy I
Final Fantasy II
Final Fantasy III
Final Fantasy V
Swords and Serpents
Ultima III
Ultima IV
Wizardry games

>>2202526
crusader of centy

>>2203229
>FFVIII

This so fucking hard. The game was billed as a love story, but the way the whole thing unfolded between Squall and Rinoa was retarded and seemed really awkward and forced. On the other hand, I thought Laguna's love subplot was well done in comparison. He didn't get the girl he was in love with, had a kid with another woman, and then his son falls in love with the daughter of the woman he originally loved. Shit's like shakespeare. Fuck man, I wish FFVIII had been about Laguna instead.

>>2202704
That's how japan does love triangles

>>2203269
who would want a game about some beta orbiter

>>2203139
>getting mad a file name.

You people have issues. Really how big of a pussy are you.

>>2203472
>lets all stop using google because I don't like part of the internet where the girls don't think I'm cool

>>2203269

Hell Zidane and Garnet hooking up in 9 felt way more organic than the game that was hailed as a love story.

Funny I guess it took them that many games to realize that relationships should be based on shared experiences and proper character interaction and development than having the supporting staff yell at the hero to pork the girl he barely talked to and when he did she was annoying him

but then i guess it helps that Zidanne wasn't a puss and Garnet had a brain between her ears

It's a shame this thread crashed so hard. I was actually having fun going through my old RPGs and noticing which ones actually managed to avoid love stories altogether.

Legend of Dragoon was a real pain because of the forced romance.

>Dart sees Shana as a sister.
>Doesn't see her for close to a decade
>come back and her crush has going to full infatuation
>everyone tells you she's not a kid anymore and that you should love her romantically because....

even if Dart acknowledges her feelings there's no reason he should be forced to return them. Why do his feelings not matter? Him accepting them because of an obligation is not only unfair to him but it's only gonna be unfair to her too.

>>2203478
I thought Locke/Celes wasn't bad

>>2203591

That's because Locke/Celes wasn't the focus point of the game and their relationship worked to strengthen both their characters.

He helps her soften up and learn to appreciate life, she helps him overcome personal tragedy

Romance of the Three Kingdoms ;^)

>>2202531

Romance in fiction is usually awful and it never interests me. It's like in film where every stupid Hollywood movie feels like it must force a love interest subplot.

Fuck that. I just want interesting things.

>>2203646
have you read apollo's song

>>2203664

I don't think he's read much of anything

>>2203646
The problem with this kind of romance is that it's forced. You're not allowed to take interest in the characters yourself and make your own choices.
It's better when you actually have to take an effort for a romantic interest.

>>2203670
the romance/dating sim portion of azure dreams is surprisingly solid

its really well rounded for a mystery dungeon-type game

This is probably a stupid question, and I didn't want to make a thread just for it.

I just bought Ys I & II Chronicles+ on Steam.

How the hell do you save your game?
It's the first time playing a Ys game and I died a couple times not paying attention, so I had to go through the basic stuff at start all over again.

>>2203670
>It's better when you actually have to take an effort for a romantic interest.

But then you basically end up with something like in Bioware games where you just lavish them with hallow praise and shower them with gifts until they put out. If I wanted to do that I'd date more

>>2203692
Then it's not real effort.

>>2203692

Not necessarily. Real effort doesn't mean wasting a lot of money, it means trying to understand the character. Even Thousand Arms had a romance system where some chicks would shit on you if you praised them at the wrong moment.

>>2203587
At least is was balanced by Lavitz's outright sexism.

>Landstalker
>Shining Force

All Genesis RPGs' protagonists don't engage in any romantic relationship, as far as i can remember now.

I haven't played any of these for almost 5 years now. I guess i'll have another run through these games now.

>>2203257
>Wizardry games
Except for Wizardry 6 where you can declare your love to Rebecca and get a gift in return.

>>2203237
>Has romance ever been done right in video games?
At the beginning of the game it seems that your romantic interest is the boring girl next door archetype Tia but as the game progresses you are soon presented your real love interest Selan. Unlike most forced JRPG love interests isn't some bland annoying teenager that always needs you to do everything for her, she is a fucking commander of an army who eventually falls for Maxim due to his leadership capabilities and him risking own his for life for her. Now about half-way through the game Lufia 2 does something we very rarely see in video games, after Maxim nearly loses his life when fighting one the game's main villains he and Selan GET MARRIED and HAVE A CHILD. At later parts of the game they fight to protect their child and in fact they die at the end protecting their child.

This game avoids most of the shortcomings in video game romances and should get credit for it. That said it's ridiculous that the bad guys in the game stop trying to destroy the world for a year so Maxim and Selan can get married and have that child...

>>2203138
In Front Mission 3 Kaz gets together with Emma in her route. It's subtle and natural, though.

>>2203026
>>2203026
>I don't remember Shining Force having any
2 does at the very end. 1 I don't remember having anything. 3 has a strange homo/no homo tension between the 3 protagonists.

>>2203818
came here to say this was prob the game that's done it the best

>>2203838
It's funny, every Shining Force has some girl that loves the main character dearly, but it's always one-sided.

Except in Shining Force III Scenario 3, because Julian knows what's important.

>>2203003

Would be totes cool to get through this game without getting dragged through this little rape culture power fantasy

>>2203883
>self-insert

Jesus Christ.

>>2203883
>dragged through this little rape culture power fantasy

Am I really on 4chan right now?

>>2202790
Uh, Chad and Rika are kind of a thing. It's implied that Rune and Alys were a thing back in the day, too, or I got that vibe from my autism anyway.

>>2203818
worse than that, if you visit previous towns in the game after the timeskip, none of their dialogue has changed. Even in the town that was destroyed people are saying stuff like We'll have this rebuilt in notime, and you have to hurry and stop that guy you already killed two years ago.

>>2203796
The little girl at the beginning of landstalker has a crush on you.

Does it count as romance if I go to the New Reno porn studio and force my wife to suck random guys' dicks for $5 each so I can buy Jet

>>2203958
she's a shotgun wife tho so its okay its not like you married her on purpose

>>2203269
The problem with Rinoa and the "romance" with her is that it simply feels like an after-through that they put in and then tried to make more important than it actully is. Now I kinda like the idea that their romance is a continuation of one between Julia and Laguna that they couldn't have but consider the following:

I'd argue that FFVIII's theme and main plot point is not love but fate and more specifically not being able to go against yours:
It's Laguna's fate to defeat Adel and to become president of Esthar where is forced to stay instead of being able to go back to Raine and Ellone in Winhill.
It's Squall's fate to become the leader of SeeD and to defeat Ultimecia.
It's Zell's, Quistis', Selphie's and Irvine's fate as the children of fate to defeat Ultimecia with Squall and to become the "legendary SeeDs".
It's Ultimecia's fate to get unjustly persecuted for things she hasn't even done yet, to try to overcome her fate with the time compression and ironically causing the exact thing she tried to pretend.
Everyone's fate leads up to keeping the timeloop in game's world going and its important to note no one really wanted their respective fates which is best presented by Squall not being exactly enthusiastic about people forcing the position of leadership of SeeDs to him.

Now what does Rinoa and the "romance" with her has to do with any of this? Absolutely nothing apart from Rinoa being one of the sorceresses whose powers eventually pass on to Ultimecia and that role could have easily been filled by any other female character in the game with or without romance subplot with her.

>>2204248
I can see the discussion about needing to add the romance sub-plot to FFVIII going like this:

>We have just finished the storyline for FFVIII, it's about not being able to go against your fate and time travel.

>Hmm... I don't think people can relate to that.
>WAIT
>NO
>OK
>I GOT THIS
>LETS PUT A ROMANCE SUBPLOT ON TOP OF IT!
>THEN LETS ADVERTISE THE GAME AS A LOVE STORY!
>NOMURA CAN YOU QUICKLY COME UP WITH A LOVE INTEREST FOR SQUALL?

>Well, I have this sketch of this girl I find cute. (BTW: Rinoa actually IS Nomura's vision of cute)

>PERFECT LET'S USE THAT!

>But sir we already have majority of the game done and we don't have enough time to modify it to include this romance subplot of yours!

>DO IT ANYWAY FAGGOT!

Seriously, think about all the scenes featuring Rinoa especially the ones you need to save her. I can't be the only one who thinks the game goes full-retard during them? Or that FFVIII could be improved a lot by having anyone but Rinoa as the forced love interest or simply by removing the whole romance sub-plot from it all-together? Rinoa really serves no purpose apart from being an eventual love interest for Squall or that the scenes that have focus on rescuing her really feel out of place?

>>2204251
Here is an example of a scene about rescuing Rinoa going full-retard and feeling out of place during the battle of Gardens:

>Rinoa is a dump bitch and falls of the side of the Garden
>Hey Quistis, lets go bug Squall about this, it's not like we have anything resembling a rope on us do we?
>Good idea Zell, let's do that instead of trying to help her ourselves!
>Hey Squall, Rinoa is a dump bitch and fell on the side of garden! Go save her!
>Fuck you guys, I'm busy right now!
>10 minutes later
>But Squall, she'll die!
>Whatever, I don't give a fuck.
>But Squall, she is really going to die!
>Oh my god Zell, I'll go if you just STFU
>15 minutes later
>Squall! For fucks sake go save her!
>I don't wanna and I have a battle against Galbadians to lead here!
>Squall, she is going to die!!!
>Fine, I'll abandon all my duties and go if you guys STFU for real this time.
>Squall goes to save Rinoa by running in the OPPOSITE direction from her
>meanwhile Rinoa is still somehow holding herself at side of the garden with just two fingers despite the Gardens constantly ramming into each other at full speed
>elsewhere Squall gets hit by a giant flying platform
>slow paced fist fight ensues
>the opponent eventually falls off
>steal the device by leaning forward
>Rinoa, jump on this conveniently placed rid cord with a foot hole!
>Yay!!! I knew you'd save me Squall!
>Land in middle of battlefield as Balamb students use swords against niggahs with guns
>"I think we're winning, Squall. HURRRRRR!"
>"Yeah, looks that way... DURRRRRRRRRR"

This certainly feels like a part that is full retard just because they needed to add bullshit featuring Rinoa that originally wasn't there here.
Anyway the bottom line is if you try to make romance the main plot point of your game make sure that it's made well and fits the rest of the game.

>>2204254
Did you play the game like yesterday or something?

>>2203587
Shana in general is the bane of Disc 1. She's an annoying liability (provided you don't use her at all for healing, which I don't blame you for at all), and is clearly only there to be the damsel in distress.

Her replacement isn't as bad. Which is actually saying something.

>>2203478
FFIX in general has some of the most believable people in general mind you, I mean for an FF game and it helps a bit with the romance plot. I mean hell, the princess has the ovaries to go out alone and start her own adventure instead of always being behind the hero for a stint.

>>2203838
>>2203849

>Mfw Sara from SFII got friend-zoned by a character that barely had a role in the whole game and still stole her love interest.

Seriously, holy shit, the ending of SF2. Every fucking time.

>>2203587
No.
Legend of Dragoon was a real pain because everything was a fucking slog.

>>2204280
This is true, but we're talking about the topic here.

>>2203138
I remember one guy actually being bisexual. Not much other than that.

>>2203934

That's why I said "mostly"

>>2203796
>All Genesis RPGs' protagonists don't engage in any romantic relationship, as far as i can remember now.

Bowie marries the princess in Shining Force 2 but Sara was in love with Bowie the whole time and gets heart broken. (eat a dick Sega)

Phantasy Star 3 is all about getting married and having kids

Phantasy Star 4 has Chaz and Rika hook up and Alys and Rune where probably knocking boots.

>>2204248
>which is best presented by Squall not being exactly enthusiastic about people forcing the position of leadership of SeeDs to him.

You know I still don't understand what logic was involved in making him leader of all of SeeD. Let's pretend he's an okay squad leader he's not and while my understanding of military protocol is admittedly limited Im quite certain you're not put in charge of hundreds of Soldiers overnight because you can KINDA boss the same 6 jerks around. It's a very different kind of command position.

It just seems that all this happens because, HE'S THE MAIN CHARACTER.

Why is he made field leader? He's the MC
Why does Rinoa want him? He's the MC.

etc etc

>>2204271
>Her replacement isn't as bad. Which is actually saying something.

I liked Miranda. I also found it hilarious just how anti climactic the transfer of the white dragoon spirit was. You just meet Miranda for the first time and the spirit just fucks off from Shana and is all later bitch! and everyone's just all... huh.

Rose is best girl

>>2204468
Didn't Cid abandon the garden at this point? He was just pushing the responsibilities on someone else.

>>2202659
This, I just found Sengoku Rance, it's the best thing ever.

>>2204490

He went into hiding for a bit when the fat fuck who lived in the basement created a civil war because of...reasons. That part was stupid ...er..actually not it was about par for FF8

>>2203849
This reminds me that in Shining Force Feather, the centaur bro ends up with the elf girl.
Yup.

>>2204503
>the centaur bro ends up with the elf girl.


Ouch.

>>2203958
There's a dozen more games, the first seven are retro and translated.

>>2204468
>>2204490
>You know I still don't understand what logic was involved in making him leader of all of SeeD.
Cid knows that Squall is the "legendary SeeD" destined to defeat Ultimecia due to the timeloop going on in FFVIII's world. You are aware of that scene at the end of game where Squall and Ultimecia take a trip to Edea's orphanage 13 years before the event we play through during the game occur where Ultimecia dies passing on her powers to Edea and future Squall then gives Edea the idea of Gardens and SeeDs before returning to his correct time? Edea and Cid then end up building the Gardens that trains SeeDs to fight sorceresses with the funding they somehow got from NORG.

>Let's pretend he's an okay squad leader he's not and while my understanding of military protocol is admittedly limited Im quite certain you're not put in charge of hundreds of Soldiers overnight because you can KINDA boss the same 6 jerks around. It's a very different kind of command position.
To Squall's credit he is the only competent character out of the ones we know about, Zell and Selphie are hyperactive retards, Irvine only gets shit done when bullied in doing so by others and while Quistis had potential she has self-esteem issues and fucked up bad by insisting to go to apologize Rinoa during a military mission which is something she could have easily done afterwards.

>It just seems that all this happens because, HE'S THE MAIN CHARACTER.
While this is obviously true there is also the whole deal about fate and keeping the timeloop going.

>Why does Rinoa want him? He's the MC.
To any other aspect of FFVIII's story there is at least some kind of explanation that kinda makes sense but for Rinoa immediately starting to want Squall's dick right after Seifer was announced executed there isn't one bringing us to the main problem with the "romance" between Squall and Rinoa. Rinoa never had a no reason to give a fuck about Squall.

>>2205153

yeah see there's this big problem with relying on fate to see you through in that if it's all your're going on you're gonna fuck it up.

If it was Squall's destiny to fight the sorceress why not raise him not to be such a complete puss and why not train his allies to be more professional.

They did nothing but say, well it's your destiny, have fun.

>>2203818
>Lufia II
The premise of the game's story regarding Maxim and Selan is great and original, but the execution is really bland. He just meets her and then he's in love, there's very little develpoment. The Tia parts were handled well.

That said play Lufia & the Fortress of Doom for romance done right. It aoids as the pitfalls mentioned on >>2203229 for JRPGs. I never for one second doubted or questioned why the romantic leads would care for one another because they worked so well together. The entire intra party banter they had made the group behave like a bunch of good friends, too. Incidentally, that's also the game where Maxim and Selan's story background is first introduced.

>Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals
>Lufia & the Fortress of Doom

Are these really the only /vr/ games to do romance right or at least avoid most of the common shortcomings in vidya romances?

>>2204271
IX's heroines for the most part had a point when they defied the FF stereotype. I found that pretty interesting in a game built around FF stereotypes. The exception to this being Eiko.

>tfw Freya's plot drops off into nothing

No mention of Earthbound? Really?

Also, most (all?) Western-released 16-bit-and-earlier Enix RPGs seem to lack romance entirely.

>>2203464
I would buy it on day one because Laguna is just as beta as me
Plus, the man with the machinegun.

>>2204254
>>2204269
The worst part is in Dissidia everyone can fly and dash in midair.
THAT'S the worst shit about Final Fantasy series, revealing how the fights really are.