/vr/ - Retro Games

>>2178309

>>2178253
PVM is short for Professional Video Monitor, as the name implies they were monitors used in professional settings like tv stations, hospitals, and video production companies. They are not televisions, as they lack TV tuners. PVMs are very popular amongst retro game enthusiasts for having higher quality construction as compared to consumer grade tvs, as well as better color reproduction and sharper pictures.

Many PVMs accept an RGB signal. Read the pastebin for info about RGB and other video signal types used by retro consoles.

Sony, NEC, Panasonic, Ikegami, and Mitsubishi all made PVMs. The OP image is Super Metroid over S-Video on a Sony PVM-2030.

Here's an old pic of a Panasonic PVM outputting to a Toshiba HD CRT. Neither displays scanlines (HD CRTs upscale 240p to 480i, and the Pana is too small to show them.)

And while I'm in here talking to myself, here's the new phonedork review for any /crtroopers/ who haven't seen it yet, or haven't yet discovered the dork: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmVE-S8L774

taking pictures is hard

>>>2178238

can someone please help

>>2178404

I appreciate the knowledge but is this nigger from Jersey or what?

Okay, I seem to be in a thread that might no whats up. I live in Australia, what are the best options to view my old consoles [snes/64/NGC/GCN] It's confusing because each consoles has different video/audio outputs and some don't work well with Australias 50hz tv's and the like, Please help, I want the best quality out of my wonderful collection.

Cheers

>>2178749
Seriously dude just get a flash card and buy a cheap jap equivalent console off ebay. You can get Super fams and Fams from where you are for 35-50 bucks.

For TVs you would have to be pretty lucky to get anything with scart/a pvm. Apparently german/european brands sold tvs in aus that had scart cables. I got a a PVM (Brisbane) before I even started looking for RGB Scart. I did a scan of ebay a couple of weeks ago for scart compatible tvs and most were in VIC, no good to me but maybe good to you? Just remember that S-video is such a step up from Composite (the yellow wire of the yellow white and red) and it's so widely supported in aus that if you can't find a scart tv you'd be ok with it.

>>2178759
should also mention jap nintendo consoles will play US games no problem.

>>2178759
Yeah I heard S-Video is good for snes but not for N64 and apparantly the GameCube doesn't support it, nor do Australian TV's support the very expensive component gamecube controllers, unless what I've been reading is full of shit. I'll probably end up getting an S-Video cord for my Snes, are the ones at GameTraders good enough quality or should I look somewhere else?

cables* not controllers.

>>2178309
>>2178342
Nice. I'd love to be able to get decent quality video of mine, but the only way I can get my camera to focus video properly on it is if I only capture a small portion of the screen.
Gonna try to get some webms out of this at some point, but for now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9IhnC2KvNM
Disclaimer - This is my second time playing this and I'm terrible.

>>2178398
>Neither displays scanlines... ...and the Pana is too small to show them
Too small for them to be blatantly visible, but they're still there on a technical level.

>>2178238
>>2178459
If you're talking about the "Chroma Adjust" in the normal menu, I'm not entirely sure how that works, but I think you may need some type of external equipment hooked up to make use of it.
If you feel like the colors on your monitor need adjusted, you may need to go into the actual service menu, and do the adjustments manually.

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>>2178749
>SNES
RGB
>N64
S-Video for NTSC | I believe PAL models need a modified cable or something to that extent to get proper S-Video from it; Otherwise you're stuck with composite. Both can modified for RGB, though some easier than others.
>NGC/GCN
Not retro, but S-Video or Component for NTSC(Depending on how much money you want to spend) | RGB for PAL; S-Video was disabled on PAL models, and while the hardware technically supports the component cable, the games won't play in progressive scan without homebrew.

>>2178767
Cheap S-Video cables are often wired with composite video running on both lines, resulting in checkerboarding and a bad quality picture, worst than just normal composite in some cases.
Original Nintendo cables are obviously safe, as are Hori, Monster hilariously enough, and Innovation.
If you can't find these at a decent price, try to at least find a pair that only has the s-video mini-din connector and audio, no composite. While not all composite+s-video cables will have botched s-video, it's much much more likely.


Captcha reloading killed these posts like 3 times, so sorry if some of it is jumbled together or unclear.

>>2178784
Cheap S-Video cables are often wired with composite video running on both lines, resulting in checkerboarding and a bad quality picture, worst than just normal composite in some cases.

I'm >>2178459
I have both S-video and Composite plugged into my PVM at the same time. The S-video is very pure and theres no checkerboarding but it is significantly brighter than the composite (almost too much) Is this normal or do i have a dud cable?

>>2178795
I had a similar issue with brightness when I used an aftermarket cable on my Gamecube, games would be too bright.

>>2178784
Okay so the only RGB cable I can find for SNES is RGB-Scart, my CRT doesn't support scart nor my LCD, though I could get a scart to hdmi converter but I'm not sure if that's just going to ruin the image.

I know a site that supplies, too my knowledge modded cables for European and Australian consoles, I think is was consolegoodsuk or something. I'm very interested in getting the best picture quality, considering how ludicrous the prices of retro games are at the moment.

>>2178795
>>2178797
I believe that happens when you use a cable made for NTSC systems on a PAL system. Adding a 75ohm resistor inline on each of the cable's video lines apparently solves that issue.

Other than that, so long as the picture is clean, the cable should be fine.

>>2178804
If your TV doesn't support a given signal and you're not interested in changing sets, you can always drop down to the next best. SNES does support S-Video and it looks decent enough.
What does your TV support?

>consolegoodsuk
I've never dealt with them, but I have seen them recommended before.

>>2178804
Does your crt have component inputs?

>>2178804
If your CRT supports Component over RCA, you can get an RGB SCART to Component RCA adapter to hook it up. I have a CSY-2100 and it works great for this, though I had to modify it to pass sound through. You can also just get a breakout adapter which also works.

As for HDMI on an LCD (or even an HDCRT), cheap upscalers look like shit. The expensive ($250+) XRGB devices seem to be the most recommended upscalers, but I have a Yamaha AV Receiver that upscales 240p component video from my CSY-2100 like a champ. Doesn't do fake scanlines like the XRGB's do, but I hate fake scanlines and prefer the "emulator" look much better on an LCD.

>>2178812
>I believe that happens when you use a cable made for NTSC systems on a PAL system. Adding a 75ohm resistor inline on each of the cable's video lines apparently solves that issue

nah i'm using a super fam on a ntsc monitor. I tested my PAL Snes out with the same cable actually and it only shows up B/W.

>>2178804
dude Scart is the only solution unless you get a PVM (which has BNC RGB). All tvs in aus have S-video so you should use that.

>>2178812
My CRT only supports Composite Video/Audio [Red/White/Yellow Cable]
My LCD Supports Composite, RGB, HDMI, VGA and I presume the other port is for S-Video, it's a circle with little holes I think.

>>2178818
Just Composite, I didn't think CRT's supported component? or just the newer big ass CRT's?

>>2178820
I could use that format on my LCD but I don't think it would look as nice than on the CRT, I might see if I can find a TV with scart input, but I think that will be pretty hard to find.

>>2178826
Yeah just been researching PVM, I am interested but there are none in my area, I think I'll have to get an S-Video.

SNES; S-Video
N64; Modded S-Video [For Aus Tv/Consoles]
Gamecube; Regular Composite?

>>2178846
>I didn't think CRT's supported component? or just the newer big ass CRT's?

The older professional ones supported component too.

>>2178846
Mid range sets on up from '00 or so on can have component. All of my Sony TVs have component and they range in age from 1998 with the PVM to 2005 with the HS420 HD set.
I don't think you can actually find an FD/WEGA set that doesn't have component. Even the tiny 13'' one.
I'd really like to get a hold of one of those.

>>2178853
[http://]www[.]gumtree[.]com[.]au/s-ad/penshurst/tv-dvd-players/free-crt-tv-not-digital-/1067019378

The only CRT I could find with Component in my area.

If I were to get that, what would the optimal setup be, just so I'm clear.

I got my hands on a Sony KV-27FS100, everything looks great for the most part except my Xbox running on component that has these weird pixels popping up on 480i. I switched back to composite for now but it doesn't look like the RGB output on the TV is that great and i'm pretty sure it's not the cable.

>>2178820
Don't these things cost like 100-200 dollars?

>>2178973
The CSY-2100 I got for $60 off of Ebay. If you're talking about the Yamaha AV system, the one I have was $200. I bought it because I wanted a 5.1 surround sound system and I happened to find out that it's also a good video upscaler when I started getting SCART RGB cables. This was before I got a hold of any good CRT's.

>>2178309
>>2178342
awesome, thanks

Are there (virtually) lagless VGA to RCA converters? VGA to s-video? Or is my best bet for emulation to get hold of an old laptop that has s-video out?

>>2179096
Or, an old graphics card with s-video out, for that matter?

Should I wait to get a crt before jumping back into playing my genesis and snes games?

and is a crt with just rf input worth a damn? or do i need component or rga?

>>2178820
does the CSY-2100 act as a transcoder for 240p/15khz signals ? I was thinking of getting one for a mamebox build

>>2179116
It would be a good idea.

An RF only CRT is worth it to the rare gamer/nostalgia fellow who is happy with RF. Beyond that it is probably the least desirable form of CRT.

>>2179116

RF is fine for just playing but sounds significantly weaker and has a worse picture with static.

You can play retro off of an LCD or Plasma screen if you really want, but that's not how these games were intended to be displayed, and you'll have some nasty display lag. I don't reccomend it.

>>2179096
>>2179101
Nevermind, found an old PC with an s-video out gfx card.

>>2179120
That's exactly what it is. RGB to YUV transcoder.

>>2179150
Just as a note, it will output as television (480i), not 240p by default.

Is there such a thing as a SCART audio extractor device? Because my TV (Sony KV-M1450D) has only one functional speaker (left one is dead) and while it's not a great problem, I find it quite irritating sometimes. All my consoles are plugged in a stereo system because of that. The thing is, though, that I can't do that with the SNES since the RGB cable doesn't have RCA jack ports like a Playstation cable for example or other means of plugging the sound somewhere else.
I know I won't be able to fix the TV since I don't have the proper equipment (also not enough knowledge to not screw the TV up or even worse, screw myself up).

I think this question is justified, since the games in question are pre-2000. Is it possible to get 240p output from a 360? I would like to play such retro games as Raiden Fighters or D&D on my CRT, but even with the old component cable set to "TV", I'm definitely getting 480i output in the games. They have that slightly blurry, no scanline look.

>>2179183
I don't think the 360 can output 240p by itself.
Maybe some games have scanlines options(not even sure), but I never saw anything lower than 480i

>>2179173
I have one of these, plus video output.
The internal wires are thin and unshielded but they are so short that it wouldn't cause any great signal degradation or crosstalk.

>>2179183
I highly doubt it. In all likelihood, the only way you'd ever get some kind of 240p output out of a game on the 360 would be playing the game in 480p and then inserting scanlines, and only on a CRT HDTV would that look in any way good.

>>2179185
>>2179271
Figured as much, but just thought I'd ask. All the games look fine in "HD mode", but obviously the original output looks a bit nicer.

This is not strictly retro but I figured I'd ask here since you guys tend to be knowledgeable.

I have PS1 and PS2 consoles hooked up to a thin HDTV in our living room. I have access to a CRT but I can't really bring it home due to space constraints and the fact my family gets in the way. Predictably, it looks like shit. 3D graphics less so, but sprites and especially text is very ugly.

What can be done to alleviate this situation? I'm hoping that SOMETHING can be done, because I've played some multiplatform PS2 games on PC and they looked absolutely great.

>>2179350
the most obvious is sharpness setting. try values like 0, 25, 50 %. It's usually a filter that tends to generate a lot of artifacts on console graphics

>>2179350
>>2179360
also, what is your connection. Try to use the best available. Also remember that on PS2 with component cables, many games support progressive scan (480p), hold /\+X during initial load

So, I finally got all the proper hardware together and finally manage to get this old PC I had to display on my PVM.
I'm pretty excited, Rondo of Blood looks amazing on this thing.

>>2179360
Makes sense. I'll try that.

>>2179370
Uhh I believe I'm using component cables. It's the one with more than 3 cables of multiple colors, correct? That's what I'm using.

I'm not sure which connections are best.

What is the best way to get a CRT like emulation on a modern computer? I've been thinking about getting a CRT monitor just to play old games too.

>>2179575
A PC CRT monitor would be the easiest solution by far. No having to dick around with old video cards or hacky drivers, and provided it's not fucked from decades of constant use, you'll get a top notch picture. They're pretty versatile as well, and can be made to mimic 15KHz monitors with some tweaking.

http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Display_FAQ#CRT_Monitors

>>2179563
Taking pictures is hard

Do PVMs/BVMs have remotes? I have been looking at some (just to see how expensive those are) and from about 40 TVs, there wasn't even one remote.

>>2178779
The Chroma knob on the front of my PVM-14M4A only works with the Chroma line from S-Video. And the Phase knob does nothing to PAL colour signals.

The internals in the service menu are probably the same?

>>2178812
The inline resistor will tone down the brightness. OR you can terminate the PVMs output BNC's properly, if they aren't already. A 75Ohm terminator will do almost the same job.

>>2180063
>only works with the Chroma line from S-Video.
As in, it does nothing at all when any other signal is plugged in. And Phase is an NTSC-only adjustment.

>>2180063
Someone in the last thread responded to you.
>>2179939

When I say go into the service menu, I mean tweaking each of the colors separately.

Sony trinitron 28? inch beast. Weighing in over 200lbs

sadly its sitting out in the garage for sale. because i dont live at home anymore and my dad doesnt want it.

>>2179616
What game am I looking at? Looks kind of like SOtN but I don't think it is.

>>2179704
Yeah they originally came with remotes, there's plenty on eBay and they aren't expensive. My 2030's remote works on both the PVM and the WEGA, which is cool.

>>2180076
Not me, different PVM model no if you look :)

I just got my Trinitron a few days ago, and everything about it seemed absolutely wonderful, but when I started up Valis III tonight, I noticed that the text on the left side was getting cut off just a bit. Is there anything I can do to fix this?

Full disclosure: I don't know shit about CRTs or displays in general, and had been using RF from the day I got the Genesis is the early 90s to a few days ago when I got this TV and some AV cables.

May or may not be related to this thread but, does anybody have issues getting proper scaling and screen tearing issues in retroarch?

>>2180085
>>2180335
Look at that blurry, warped mess
How can you morons actually like playing on that?

>>2180348

My phone camera is shit, that lady on the left is mostly blue.

>>2180335
get the model no. off the back and find the service manual online, or buy it if you have to - just don't pay more than $4-$5 US. You might need the remote too, but the SM will contain instructions on how to get into the Service Menu, which will normally have options like screen size and position like a PC CRT monitor would.

Taking pictures with a shitty Nikon is hard.

captcha: husband rockdad

>>2180407

Why didn't anyone tell me PC Engine games looked so pretty?

>>2180249
welp

>>2180440
Double welp

>>2180443
Kya, what game is that?

If an insurance claims adjuster comes around asking, this is totally being run from a physical copy.

>>2180517
Detana!! TwinBee

playing the gimped version of CVS1 makes me miss my dreamcast

>>2180532
haha i played it the other day on my TED.

wasn't even fun, and i'm a schmups guy. that's why i got the tg-16

i love in blazing lazers the one upgrade that shoots the fat ass laser beam around your ship and in a squiggly line.
i'd love to capture it but it flashes, which looks awesome, but prevents taking photos of it since each frame has missing chunks of the laser.

pic related 1/2

>>2180628
when it actually looks like this in game at full speed.

i'm wondering if doing a slightly longer exposure time will get it all without blurring the rest of the game

>>2180628
I actually still haven't played Magical Chase. Just got around to downloading some roms and isos for the PCE and decided to test them out to make sure everything was working. The title screen and attract got a chance to cycle through quite a few times though.

I did, however, play the Game Boy Color port for a few minutes a day or so ago. Was entertaining enough.

Scanlines incoming:

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/guiile/library/?sort=3&page=1

I wandered onto this person's photobucket, and it is full of scanline porn, enjoy.

>tfw distortion at edges/corners and the colors separate there

Is there some sort of step-by-step guide to getting a CRT properly calibrated, or is it really just "keep playing with these 200 settings and hope something works out"?

>>2180629
some people swear by that thing, not enough firepower for myself personally. I like the full powered laser, I used to be a II power wave fag but fully powered laser + shield fucks shit up.

>>2178404
Can't one Youtube vidya e-celebrity produce a video without terrible sketches and "hey look what I can do" special effects? Just fucking one?

>>2179159
I was under the impression it could also be used as an upscaler, the description given for it on ebay is usually pretty vague. thanks

>>2181597
Yeah, and he's got a big dick too!

>>2181550

Each settings have test patterns to know if they're well calibrated or not. Check for the 240p test suite and these videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFE1dAU2lPk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovmH0Xe8JyM


Also, is there any anon who know enough about CRT's electronic to tell if this guy's advice is good or just a waste of time?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zitlTbl8N8

I wish you could get 240p out of the OG xbox

>>2181896
it was cool when the other two triplet-bros came in to help too!

I'm looking to get a CRT for my PC. Not just for gaming, but for everyday use. My current setup is my laptop's HDMI going out into an HDTV. How am I going to get HDMI to display on something like a Sony PVM? Will I be able to connect my current gen consoles and easily switch between them and my PC?

Are there any Sony PVM monitors (or monitors of equal or better quality) with more modern aspect ratios such as 16:9?

Really need to decide on which Genesis I'm going to stick with.

>>2182170
If you want something for everyday use and for modern consoles, a PVM really isn't the best choice.
In most cases you'd be stuck with 480i, unless you could find a MultiFormat model, in which case you could do 720p or 1080i not that the consoles would be putting out much more and even then you'd need to a way to connect the HDMI only systems/PC to it.

I'M THE GODDAMN RGB BATMAN

>>2182350
Which display would you recommend for me? And is there any way to convert the HDMI to something usable by a CRT?

>>2182356

>>2182350
Is there anything inherently wrong about being restricted to 480i for PC use?

>>2182358

Check for an HDMI to RGB or Component converter. Be aware that they cost like 70 bucks or more, and that they can introduce lag.

>>2182170
If you're looking for a big CRT, a CRT HDTV is probably your best bet. Many of the later models had a DVI or HDMI input you could use with both your laptop and your current gen systems.

I would recommend Sony's Super Fine Pitch tube series, which include the XBR960 and the XS955 series.

>>2182364
http://www.amazon.com/LOFTEK%C2%AE-HDfuryproTwo-Component-Converter-Surround/dp/B009YP7Y56

Something like that? Is there any reason why I need the box converter and not just the cable that goes from HDMI to RGB? Will using this box still provide results like those in all of these screenshots? And how much lag is introduced? One reason for my wanting a CRT is the reduced response times.

>>2182367
I'm looking at the XBR960 on Amazon right now. Does it look as good as the Sony PVMs or BVMs that are always posted in these threads? Do you have any other recommendations, as well? It doesn't need to be huge; I'm going to be using it as a computer monitor and switching it between that and my current gen consoles.

I posted this >>2181261 in the last thread just as it was pruned, so I'm asking again.

Basically, I'm looking for a component switch/selector that will work well on a CRT for 240p and 480i. The ones I see on Amazon are either insanely expensive or have reviews indicating picture quality issues.

>>2182374
I have a 30XS955, and to be honest, it's always had issues of some kind when it comes to sharpness and picture quality. Maybe it was just my particular set (I believe it was refurbished when I purchased it), who knows, but it's not as good as a PVM at least.

If you really want great PQ, go for a PC CRT monitor. Obviously, they play much more nicely with PCs than any other kind of CRT, and deliver a great picture provided they're not used to shit. Does your laptop have a VGA port?

>>2182358
>>2182374
A decent PC CRT and an HDMI converter would work well for the HDMI sources, and a component to VGA transcoder would do the same for non-HDMI sources.

As >>2182367 said, an HDCRT TV would simply things on the HDMI front. It won't be as sharp of a picture as a PC CRT, but they do come in larger sizes.

>Does it look as good as the Sony PVMs or BVMs that are always posted in these threads?
You obviously won't get scanlines, and it won't be as razor sharp. They still look very nice though; I have a Hi Scan (not as sharp as the Super Fine Pitch mentioned above) Sony HDCRT and it produces a very nice and decently sharp picture with my PS3, Wii(U) and GC.
This is Vectorman, output at 480p on it from Sonic Gems Collection on the GC.

>>2182385

>>2182380
>>2182385
A PC CRT is most likely my best bet, aside from the idea of a PVM/BVM. Any recommendations for PC CRTs? Also, if I get a PVM/BVM, would using the converter box from >>2182374 be a viable option? I really want the scanlines and attributes that I see in these photos, and I don't think a PC CRT could deliver on all of those fronts. And no, my laptop does not have VGA out. It's extremely thin and only has HDMI and some USB ports.

>>2182402
If you can get an HDMI to VGA converter that doesn't fuck you up the ass with lag, a PC CRT will work wonderfully, and with the right tweaking, you can also enjoy scanline porn of your own creation on one.

>>2182405
Is the picture you just posted a PC CRT? How would I go about tweaking a PC CRT to achieve scanlines?

>>2182406
Yes it is. There's two ways to go about it: on the monitor side, or on the software side.

One way is to create a custom 240p@120Hz resolution. This would be true 240p, but the downside is frame doubling which messes up motion. To get good motion back, you need black frame insertion on software that supports it.

The other method, which I recommend more, is simply outputting 480p@60Hz and inserting a scanlines filter. The picture ends up looking exactly the same as 240p@120Hz with black frame insertion, but with less of a hassle, plus you can go further with this to get even better TV emulation, such as creating a superwide one-size-fits-all resolution for hiding scaling artifacts, and an interlacing shader to account for 480i games.

http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Display_FAQ#240p.2F480i_Emulation

>>2182413
What would be the difference between getting a PC CRT and a PVM/BVM exactly? You guys seem to be pushing me away from the latter option. I'd rather have natural scanlines than force it through software.

>>2182420
super easy and simplified answer here for you, YMMV
>PC CRT
emulating retro games and use a computer
>PVM/BVM
retro games on original hardware


yes, you can hook up your computer to a pvm at 240p and it'll look fantastic for emulating, but these are just simplified answers.

think about what you really want to accomplish.

>>2182420
You're going to have a hell of a time getting a PVM to work on your laptop, and even if you managed to get it to work, you'd get badly scaled 480i at best. To get "natural" scanlines, you pretty much need a desktop PC with Windows XP or 7 and an old Radeon card with special esoteric drivers for emulating on a 15KHz display such as a PVM.

>>2182402
Those scanlines are only so visible due to the games running as such a low resolution, 240p in most cases. You can simulate this with a PC CRT and some creative modeline/resolution tweaking, but I'm not entirely sure how well or viable that would be to do over HDMI.
If you're looking for high quality PC CRTs, Sony's Trinitrons(sometimes under Dell's name) are again a good choice as are their aperture grill copycats from NEC/Mitsubishi (Diamondtron). You have more leeway with PC CRT than TVs when it comes to brands; It primarily comes down to condition, and resolutions/frequencies the monitor can support.

>>2182375
I have a Gamestop branded "HD System Selector" that I'm very happy with. It's essentially a rebrand of the Pelican device of the same name.
Manual switching
3 Composite/S-Video/Component+Audio and Ethernet in
1 Composite/S-Video+Stereo Audio in (front)
1 Composite/S-Video/Component+Dual Audio and Ethernet Out

>>2182420
PVMs/BVMs are, in most cases, low resolution "SD" monitors with very sharp tubes. Multiformat models can do somewhat higher resolutions, but they're still limited.
PC CRTs are higher multisync monitors, capable of displaying at a wide range of resolutions and refresh rates.
If you've ever tried playing a text heavy 7th gen game on an old CRT, you'll know that the text is often difficult to read. Even with how sharp PVMs can be, they're limited to 480i and will suffer from this just the same.

Does anyone know what model this TV is? A guy is offering up for free and wanted to know if it was good for retro.

>>2182635
heres another pic of it on.

>>2182635

Probably isnt bad. If I were going to do a CRT HDTV, I would do one that is a widescreen so that I can run some modern stuff on it too. If you're strictly playing retro, I would stick with a SDTV.

>>2182350

S-Video Modded early Model 1 is the only way to go.

>>2182646
atm, i have a xbox, ps2, dreamcast, and ps1, so thats all that would be played on it until I can source a saturn and a genesis

>>2182426
Or use Linux GroovyArcade with any Radeon card...

>>2182637
it doesn't look like anything special

>>2182356
>>2182359
looks like RF to me

Does anyone know anything about the PVM-20N2U?

If I'm going to use a computer just for emulation, would it be better to install some kind of Linux distro on it? I want to use a whole bunch of funky resolutions for handheld emulation and Windows is pretty annoying when it comes to handling that.

>>2182676
blame my crappy camera that can't properly expose

I'm rather new to using CRTs I'm afraid. I bought a VGA cable for a CRT monitor I have but the picture quality is very bad. The quality changes relative to the distance from various electrical objects like the CRT itself so I'm guessing there's interference.
What's a good shielded cable? Preferably on uk amazon.

>>2182648
>S-Video Modded
RGB, son.

The question is whether I'm going to continue to hold out for a decent model 1(they don't pop up in thrift stores around here anymore) an okay model 2, or go the megaamp route; And in the last case, which model to install it into.
I was talking to someone about getting a ~VA6 Model 1 and model 2 Sega CD, but I haven't heard back from them in 2 weeks now.

>>2182676
This is RF

>>2182937
>This is RF
no it's not you fucker, it's NESRGB on a Famicom AV
It's just that getting good pics with this fucking camera is like making philosopher's stone.

>>2182992
>possible malicious code detected
WTF MOOTLES

/crt/, I'd like a little help between two CRT's: PVM1350 and PVM1344Q, which do you guys think makes a better picture? the later one?

If I had a PC with VGA out, would a cable like in the picture work with my PVM? It's a monoprice VGA to BNC cable. I want to replace my wii that I use for emulators with a PC.

>>2183164
I have the exact same cable. It'll work, but you'll need either a coupler or a Y cable to take the H & V sync (black and white cables in that picture) and have them go into one BNC end.

>>2183189

Ah, so those would go into the Y cable, then into the EXT Sync?

Have you had good experiences with your pc into a pvm? The main reason I want to do it is to eliminate lag with the wiimotes, and be able to use original (or the buffalo snes controller) controllers with usb adapters. Thoughts/Suggestions?

>>2183205
Mhm.

Well, t o get it hooked up to your PC you need an older GPU that actually supports 15khz. RetroRGB's site has a list of older ATI cards that support it. It's a bit tricky to get working but the results are fantastic.

>>2183205
See this - >>2183214

It can be tricky to get a handle on modelines, but far from impossible. Check out Soft15Khz or CRT_emudriver and be prepared to do a little reading.

Easier is to use an older gfx card with an s-video out, cos those always output 480i. But then you miss out on the real sweet 15kHz 240p stuff in all it's brightly coloured glory.

>>2182687
The N series was a lower-resolution, lower-featured version of the M series, i believe. Better than normal TV's (400-450TVL) at about 500TVL, but not as high as the later tubes in the M2 series (600TVL) or the M4 series (HR tubes at 800TVL). The "four number" variants before the M series (1354, 1954, etc) had at most a 600TVL "HR" tube. Remember this is clarity, not necessarily resolution.

http://www.advancedaudiorentals.com/docs/sony_pvm-20n5u.pdf

The lower numbers after the series number tend to be lower res or less features, and the ones on that manual are numbered higher and are pretty bare. Check what inputs/features the one you're looking at has. Does it do RGB and S-Video/YC.

The phosphor quality will still be better than that of a consumer set, in theory, if the tube isn't worn out. $30-40 would probably be too much to pay, unless you can see it operating and you like it.

>>2183081

I'm a little lost here. Read the above in this post first. The PVM-1354 is basically a 14M4 in terms of inputs, but with a 600TVL tube like the M2 series. The 1354 is a slightly older unit but still has the OSD's to work with. Might not be able to use composite as sync.

The 1350 looks like the underspecced version of the 1354. Probably very similar to the 1351 on here:

http://www.manualscenter.com/manuals/sony/pvm1350-service-manual.html

The 1344 i can't find much info on, save the manual in the link below, which refuses to cough up a TVL number. Might be an earlier version of the 1354. Probably similar in most terms. If I had to pick one I'd go the 1344, but not for more than about $40-50 unless you can see it working and like the colours.

https://docs.sony.com/release/pvm1344Q.pdf

Does anyone know anything about the 2054qm? or the 1454qm? i've seen a 20" one for 50 bucks and i'm thinking about picking it up. It's got rgb and everything but i'm wondering if it's high quality

Here is my JVC TM-13U Color Video Monitor. Pretty much the JVC branded version of the Commodore 64 monitor.

Source is an early revision SNES (non-1chip).

>>2183556
absolutely disgusting

>>2182992
What I posted was RF.

>>2183562
You know nothing.

>>2182676
quoted me saying it was rf and you quoted him saying this is rf

unless you meant "THIS (your pic) is rf". Sorry then.

>>2183578
it is disgusting dood

GODDAMIT JAPAN

>>2183591

Naah, the colors are really nice on his monitor. The thing you posted is so fucking washed out though.

>>2183556

I think your monitor need some serious calibration, but the pic look colorful and all, I like it.

>>2183591

Naah, the colors are really nice on his monitor. The thing you posted is so fucking washed out though. My PVM-1444QM and KV-14M1B have better colors than this.

>>2183556

I think your monitor need some serious calibration, but the pic look colorful and all, I like it.

>>2183594

Can't read anything on it because of these pixel-thick black bars.

>>2183591

Naah, the colors are really nice on his monitor. The thing you posted is so fucking washed out though. My PVM-1444QM and KV-14M1B have better colors than this.

>>2183556

I think your monitor need some serious calibration, but the pic look colorful and all, I like it.

>>2183591

Naah, the colors are really nice on his monitor. The thing you posted is a bit washed out though. My PVM-1444QM and KV-14M1B have better colors than this.

>>2183556

I think your monitor need some serious calibration, but the pic look colorful and all, I like it.

I just picked up this little Sanyo for $9. I dunno much about CRTs but what do you guys think?

>>2183660
looks nice

>>2183624
>>2183626
>>2183627
Did you really post the same thing 3 times?

and wtf do you mean by this:

">>2183594

Can't read anything on it because of these pixel-thick black bars."

>>2183627
well guess what, CVIV has incredibly dark and bleak color palette. Janking colors up the wazoo =/= accurate colors.

We /castlevania/ now?

Should have taken some shots of Rondo of Blood the other day.

>>2183660
I think you made a great choice of game to play. Sanyos aren't bad; Picture looks pretty good there.
Composite, I'm assuming?

>Storm Owl last
Yeah, that sounds about right.

>>2183591
It's composite video and unadjusted exposure level from a camera. In person it looks excellent. You have provided no background information to your photo, however from a glance it appears you are crushing details in your lower levels.

>>2183719
Phillips flat crt, rgb cable.

And I actually had to underexpose, else I get a way too bright pic, even for CVIV palette.

I'm a complete idiot when it comes to CRTs, so bear with my stupid questions. What impact do the television standards PAL and NTSC have on the display? Can I use an NTSC console with a monitor from a PAL region (including professional models), and if yes do I have to use a certain transmission standard like RGB? Thanks /crt/.

>>2183885

NTSC and PAL have different colour encoding systems so you might run into trouble with that, but RGB is universal. The framerate and resolution is slightly different between PAL consoles and NTSC consoles, but most PAL TVs can run at both PAL's resolution and NTSC's resolution.

Do you have a PS2 and a game that supports 60Hz? If you plug it into the CRT and the 60Hz image comes through perfectly, then NTSC consoles will run perfectly. If the colour doesn't come through, then you will have to use RGB from your NTSC systems. If no image comes through, it's completely incompatible with NTSC framerate and resolution.

>>2183894

this post is only accurate if you're using composite. Wii also allows you to test NTSC, PAL and PAL60 (pal-like colour encoding with NTSC framerate) signals on that TV.

>>2183894
Well, if I'm going to the extent of hunting down or importing an NTSC console I'm also going to invest into a professional monitor that can receive RGB. But thanks a lot for the info, the part with the PS2 is some very handy advice.

shitty cell camera, but here's some ´vania.

>>2183912

You're a palfag, yes? Almost all PAL TVs accept RGB through SCART.

>>2183921
What about the refresh rate though?

>>2183930

Most of them support both 50Hz and 60Hz. Unless you've got a 00s TV though, it's doubtful if it'll support the NTSC or even PAL60 colour encoding.

>>2179360
>>2179370

I came here to thank you. I just got the chance to try disabling sharpness settings in the TV and it solved my problem completely. Everything looks MUCH better now. So, thank you!

anyone have experience with wavelike distortion on their screen? I use test images and can set grids so they look pretty much perfect, but when there's a scrolling image (whether just a test image of a horizontal scrolling grid or something like mario or sonic) you can see slight waviness. It's kinda like speed bumps, and you only notice them when there's scrolling. And it's not just at the edges of the screen; seems somewhat continuous across the image.

I've tried messing with all sorts of settings in the service menu, but nothing seems to work. All the settings seem to be great for adjusting the picture vertically (vbow, v linearity, etc) but there's nothing for horizontal linearity or anything like that. So I can adjust the settings so vertical scrolling is pretty much perfect, but I can't do shit about the horizontal scrolling. I'm using a trinitron kv24fs100, if that matters.

>>2184096
That's one of the short comings and possible pitfalls that you can run into with flat CRTs.
I'm not entirely sure how or if you'd be able to go about adjusting something like that.

A bit of a shame, the 24FS100 is a pretty nice little TV.

>>2184096
Dear /vr/,

i'm rather new to this board so sorry if i say something heinously stupid.
I have this gargantuan Sony Trinitron television that i might want to get rid of thanks to size. But i heard they were sought after because they work well with older consoles.
But my kv-c(or g? i can't read it very well) 2969d Sony Trinitron had some wack ass soundquirks. When the majority of the screen is white, it will have this stronger very high pitched tv ringing than normal. The best thing however, is that it seems to, wholly random, max the fucking volume to 11, holy shit.

Since i live with other people in the house, this is very very annoying. Anyone has any idea what causes this? If this model in particular is worth saving? Where i would go about gettting it fixed?

pic related.

>>2184189
Does this only happen with outside inputs/specific consoles(i.e anything aside from when analog broadcasts were still a thing)?

>>2184187
damn, oh well. It's not bad enough to make me run out and get a different TV though. It's actually kinda subtle and it's really only bothering me because I'm paying attention to it. Guess I'll get over it.

>>2183665
DRACURA.

>>2184189
>But my kv-c(or g? i can't read it very well) 2969d
C is correct.
This one has the AE-1C chassis, similar to AE-1B of my KV-C2521D.
Mine is a very good CRT with SCART input and it displays RGB very sharp unless the convergence is off.

>When the majority of the screen is white, it will have this stronger very high pitched tv ringing than normal
Sound like the video interferes with the audio. Does that noise come from the speakers?

>The best thing however, is that it seems to, wholly random, max the fucking volume to 11, holy shit.
This is bad. EEPROM IC005 SDA2546 is defective. I'm afraid that mine will get the same fault, especially in the middle of the night.

>If this model in particular is worth saving?
Yes, i always consider that a 90s Trinitron is worth repairing.
I don't think that it will impossible to accomplish compared to some HDTV.

>>2184192
right now it is connected to nothing but power and it still does this with several different remotes used. When playing games it does this even out of the blue, but more rarely.

>>2184247
>The best thing however, is that it seems to, wholly random, max the fucking volume to 11, holy shit.
This is bad. EEPROM IC005 SDA2546 is defective. I'm afraid that mine will get the same fault, especially in the middle of the night.

Is such a thing repairable? If so, i have no idea where i would be able to bring it (lol funny joke, this things weighs a literal ton) I live in The Netherlands if someone here happens to do so too.
I get some hits in spanish when googling, but haven't found any for sale yet or anythiing.

Anyway, i just played some F-zero X (the one where maxing the volume is mandatory) and i'm starting to like it a bit too much to do away with already. It may be a placebo effect but whatever.

What is the absolute smallest crt tv with a SCART input? (Just curious).

>>2184319
>Is such a thing repairable?
Of course it is. A precise description which part is defective is always repairable unless it's some tinyass garbage you can find in the newest electronic devices which is almost impossible to solder.

This is just a little memory chip (pic related) that holds 4096 bits and communicates with the TVs microcontroller via I2C (just 2 wires), it stores your settings like volume, brightness, channels etc so that you can change it with your remote and the TV will remember these when turned off.
I don't know if this chip is soldered or socketed in your TV but you just need to install a compatible one.
A modern substitute would be 24C04 which you might can get a few euros.

About the high pitched ringing. Does it come from the speaker?

>>2184320
Smallest consumer Trinitron with RGB SCART and S-Video i know is KV-M1120.

>>2183921
>Almost all PAL TVs accept RGB through SCART.
In Europe, yes. In Aus/NZ, almost no TV's accept SCART. No idea about the rest of the PAL world (Brazil, China, a large chunk of Africa).

>>2184502

Thanks a lot guys, i didn't expect such concise and quick help.

Godspeed and videogames to you.

I'm using a GCN on a Trinitron PVM (240p)

right now i'm using s-video, but I have the monitor set up to take RGB via scart

The main games I want to play are the 64 Zelda titles (collectors edition) and GBA games via the player. Will everything scale back to 240p or will it try to scale OOT & Majoras mask? what's the native resolution of the GBA player?

I also have a 1080i trinitron so I'm basically wondering which it would look best on. I'd rather use my PVM though

>>2184947

I believe OoT and Majora's Mask are emulations at 480i or p as appropriate.

>>2184947
US NGC doesn't output RGB (but can do component via a rare digital out cable) and euro NGC does RGB via multi av out (but doesn't do S-video and component is gimped).

>>2183873
Well I didn't cheat by underexposing, hence my bright photo.

>>2183917
Doesn't really help us much without information regarding the monitor and source.

>>2185053
>getting more accurate pic is cheating
I had to under expose because
result is closer to RL
camera is shitty
but hey, I guess you enjoy "enhanced colors" and "dynamic contrast" on you screens.

>>2179616
>Dat tilted screen

My PVM-2030 suffers from that too, it makes me mad every time I see a picture that makes that shit obvious.

>>2185085
It's closer to your interpretation of real life. But if you want to throw out the childish insults here I guess we're done.

>>2185124
This is a cap from a RGB-HDMI converter to an HDMI cap card.

please o-please tell me that your >>2183556 is
closer to it than >>2183591 or >>2183674

>>2185170
>>2185124
This is a cap from a RGB-HDMI converter to an HDMI cap card.

please o-please tell me that your >>2183556 is
closer to it than >>2183591 or >>2183674

>>2183665

He hates scanline gaps

>>2185171

The colors on that pic are quite off. The text is supposed to be a "minty" green like KyaDash's pic.

So my CRT makes a really loud buzzing noise when I play both my SNES and original model Famicom, but it doesn't happen with my Wii.

Why is that? Is this fixable?

>>2185056

It's just an old Hitachi calypso TV, nothing fancy.

i've got some money to spend, should i buy one of those framemeisters for my 46 inch lcd tv or should i buy a 36 inch sony trinitron crt tv?

>>2186659

Neither. Buy a 20-25 inch Trinitron. Won't break the bank or your back.

there is another pvm for sale around me a 2030 it got me wondering since i would like to sync them up what kind of cable whould i use

>>2186885
Ideally you'd use SCART cables for Playstation 1/2/3, SNES, and Genesis as they output RGB over SCART natively and the PVM-2030 accepts RGB.

Get this:
http://www.retrogamingcables.com/sony-pvm-scart-converter.html
to adapt SCART cables to send an RGB signal to the 2030's CMPTR port.

>>2186885
Oh, if you meant you want to display the same video signal on both monitors, then you can use the video out on the 2030 to send a composite signal to the other PVM. For a higher quality picture, use an S-video splitter.

>>2186919
so just any cable would work with the video out bnc to bnc?

>>2186923
im getting it looking at the back of pvm 2030 i would have to buy the rgb CMPTR cable

Man, fuck Dracula.

do the rgb cables do anything for a crt tv or are they just for lcd flat screens?

>>2187651

They get you a better picture on your CRT tv if your TV have an RGB input. Your picture on LCD flat screens will still look worse with RGB than a CRT with S-Video though.

>>2187651
Higher quality video is higher quality video, no matter what you happen to be using to display it.

So yes, "rgb cables" will increase the picture quality on a compatible CRT.

So how do you guys get your PVMs? Any other option besides ebay? Not like it's a common item at thrift shops or anything.

on the other hand, I REALLY want to get good video quality out of my genesis, because through composite the picture has this weird dotted appearance even on backgrounds that should be a solid color. But the only thing better than composite possible without modding is RGB, which means I either pay a ton of money for a RGB-Component converter or I pay a ton of money for a PVM that accepts RGB natively.

>>2187654
by rgb input do you mean the red blue and green component holes on the newer crt models, sorry i'm kind of new at this

>>2187654
for rgb input do you mean the red blue and green component holes that the newer crt's have?

>>2187661
That's Y/Pb/Pr, the American format, and what people generally mean by "component". Its just as good as RGB, but it isn't the same thing.

>>2187661
>>2187668

It can be Red+Blue+Green+Sync BNC jacks or SCART socket.

The ones on modern TVs are Component, which means another kind of video signal. Like RGB, some CRTs will have it, mostly late or professional monitors.

Are there any good resources for comparison screenshots between RGB and other formats on CRTs? My strategy has always just been to use a nice TV with S-video cables if possible. It seems like getting RGB up and running is kind of a hassle, so I'm not going to bother unless the visual quality is significantly better.

>>2188023
I have one or two throw together comparisons, but they're not terribly good nor do they accurately depict the difference in quality.

Now that I have a tripod, I suppose I could give it another go though.

>>2188023
The difference is noticeable, but not extreme. Most people don't bother with S-video, because its a weird, fairly rare in-between technology, but its passable. Component is much more common than S-video generally.

>>2188175

But getting component video out of retro consoles requires ordering special cables, passing them through converters, etc. Finding S-video cables for the consoles that support it is not difficult.

>tfw nightmare about my 20L5
In my dream I accidentally left it on for a week with the GoldenEye pause screen displayed. Turned it off and found it had massive burn-in.

Maybe I should lay off the GoldenEye.

Anyone know how that genesis component cable project is coming along? I want to get better output out of my genesis but right now the only options are to either mod the system (which I really don't want to do) or buy scart cables and a RGB-YUV converter box, which can get expensive. And the only other console I have that would even benefit from RGB would be my saturn (which already has s-video output) and my nintendo consoles don't support RGB natively and the dreamcast has the VGA box instead.

I'd much rather just get those component cables, but I have no idea when they'll be released or how much they'll cost.

Tried out the Read Only Memories demo on my PVM. Seems like a fun little adventure/point n click game. Looks pretty great on a low-res screen.

Is the Sony trinitron kv-34FS13C good as I don't think I can't get a pvm in my country.

>>2189664
>kv-34FS13C
Probably fine, if that's a 34" SDTV it might be a little blurry, but see if you can check it out. Might take S-Video and even Component.

That's a Euro model, and your country or neighbouring countries wouldn't have PVMs?

>>2189781
>a 34" SDTV
Yeah it is. Or 32" anyway. 75kg, so bring a friend (or a truck).

>>2189664
As it looks to be the euro version of the 32FS13, I'd say it's pretty nice.

It is pretty damn heavy though.

I have JVC CRT lying around. Is it any good?

>>2189812
What model?

Have you faggots hugged your PVM today? Mine is in my closet until I can find space to hook it up again.

>>2191845
I played shovel knight on mine today.

>>2178309
that image looks like you just took and image from an emulator with a scan line filter and blew it up...

also, why the fuck are these stupid superiourity circlejerk threads still around?

>>2191852
dear lord, this is the most hipstery thing I've ever heard of anyone doing...

>>2191860

That's some hyperbole you got there, son.

>>2186213

I've been encountering similar-sounding issues with my NES and Genesis. I don't know much about displays so as far as I know it could just be something the systems output, but I doubt it. I was using RF for the Genesis for a while (to fit everything on one TV) and thought that was it, but I recently switched to AV cables and still get audio noise of some kind that's pretty noticeable.

>>2192314
I don't know, playing a game that it's only apeal is that it's kinda like old games on a format no one but hardcore n.... wtf am I saying, I collect vinyl, this is not argument I should be making.. what am I doing with my life...

I'm thinking of getting a S-Video cable for my N64. Are third-party cables alright, or should I hold out for Nintendo brand? s there any "bad cable" I should avoid?

>>2192352
If you go 3rd party, Hori's is just as good as Nintendo's, but they usually are around the same price.

>>2192352
All I can personally vouch for are the Monster cables, which I only have because I got them for cheap.

I would at least stay away from anything that remotely smells of ching chong.

>>2178309
>"Dhe lashht Mekhtroid ishh in khaptibhity. Ghe Ghalaxhy ... ishh aht peashh"
Even when it was new, those 16bit era voice clips sounded funny. Like a kid with an unfortunate lisp.

>>2192375
>All I can personally vouch for are the Monster cables,
seconding this

don't buy them new though, holy shit. ebay used ones. they hold up and are of utmost quality.

just don't give them your dollars directly, fuck monster's prices. enjoy their quality.

>>2192372
>>2192375
>>2192770
How is KMD? Are they too ching-chong to be trusted? They made the 4-way GBA link cable I own, and that's never given me problems. I tend to see KMD cables around my town a lot, so I gotta ask.

Picture from my Trinitron KV-21M3E. The size is just right for me, maybe a similar 25-inch one would do, but I haven't seen one available nearby in a long time.

I really like how colorful the image is, although my camera can't capture it fully. (with a modded MD1 via RGB scart)

>>2192824
ive got a pair for my snes n gc. i had nothing go wrong with them. Mine are just the rca cable tho.

>>2192869
If you were playing on composite, that shadow would be a solid pseudotransparency instead of a bunch of vertical lines

So I've thinking about grabbing a second GPU to use for 15khz. I plan to use the VGA out for RGB.

My question is, how do I use 2 different sets of drivers? I want to use crt_emudriver without messing up my PC for regular gaming.

>>2192880
late MD games really abused that vertical dithering. And yeah, on RGB you can clearly see it. Still wouldn't trade RGB tho.

also, effect is still visible on S-Video.

>>2192824
Never buy an S video cable that also has a composite cable. Ping pongs are too cheap to wire them properly, so they just send a composite signal through the S video cable, making it look like shit.

>>2192974
That's not always true. many times it is, but not always. Make sure to check reviews and you'll eventually find some where everyone is saying "I've delt with a lot of bullshit s-video cables that just carry composite, but this one actual does proper s-video"

So I'd like to acquire a cheap CRT medical monitor. I live in the middle of the city and there are plenty of hospitals in the area (including the one that I go to school at).

Is it possible that any of the hospitals still have old medical monitors laying around somewhere? And if so, how should I go about finding out if anyone has any and how to purchase one from them. I don't think I can just walk up to the director and ask.

But I sure as fuck would like to pick up one locally for a couple bucks rather than spending a hundred or two to get one shipped.

>>2192869
>KV-21M3E

I have a KV21M3L too!

>>2193048

Go there and ask nicely where the technical staff is located. Get it touch with the technical staff and before asking anything, ask them if they're already busy with something else, if yes, tell them it's not urgent and come back later or another day. If no, ask them nicely if they have old or unused hardware they can or want to get rid of, or is just taking too much storage. If everything goes smoothly, then congrat you might get some nice medical monitors.

>>2193064
Alright, but should I state my actual purpose to the receptionist? I see it going like this
>hello receptionist, could you tell me where the technical staff is located?
>>what's your business?
>I'm interested in purchasing old unused hardware

Just not sure if the reception would put up a wall after learning I'm trying to score some cheap swag.

>>2193075

You might as well tell her the truth, asking them if they have old hardware they might get rid of.
Most of the time they don't refuse, it's way cheaper to give it or sell it to some old hardware freak passing by than dumping it (though I've been doing this mainly at schools and universities for old computers though).

>>2193106
Alright, will do.

>>2193114

Good luck in your attempt anon!

>>2193062
It's a nice TV for sure. I have my NES hooked to composite and a scart switchbox for SNES, MD and Saturn. If I want more consoles, I'll have to start unhooking scarts or try to find a switchbox that allows more hook-ups.

I recently got a PVM-2030 and I just received the CMPTR-SCART for the monitor and the SCART cable for the ps1, I love how this shit looks.

The only thing I lament is not having a better camera.

>>2192824
KMD is almost certainly shit.

Also, remember that if you have a PAL N64 you need a special cable for CRT. Any NTSC one will need either a system mod or a cable adjustment, see pic. Most LCD's will work fine as is due to converting the signal to digital and levelling the brightness. (LCD will look like shit for other reasons though.)

>>2192824
KMD is shit. I have their Genesis 2 composite cable and it has the thinnest wires I've ever seen in an AV cable and it has interference problems. I'd rather use Sega's RF adapter on my shitty Zenith TV.

>>2193806
Looking good dawg. How's the image position on yours? On mine 240p games through the CMPTR port get a blank space on the right side, 480i puts a weird blank space on the bottom right and top of the picture.

>>2192352
The OP pic is using an Innovation brand s-video. Properly wired, not much in the way of shielding though. About $15 on ebay

Anyone know if a Toshiba 26HF85 could be good for playing retro games? Or would it be better for Gamecube, PS2 and xbox. I don't know much on these "HD" crts

>>2194729
HD CRTs have the same issues as HD LCD TVs. Lag induced by upscalling.

they are the fucking tits for 480p and up though, assuming it can natively display 480p and doesn't just upscale to 720i+

TYPICALLY, at the HD input (dvi, hdmi, component) it'll say the compatible resolutions. or at least on sony hd crts.

>>2179616
Nice 1454Q or more likely 14M2MD.

>>2185114
Enter the menu, then press degauss and menu at the same time.

>>2194107
Horizontal shift is normal for RGB inputs. I think generally, if you do correct the horizontal position then it would be incorrect for CVBS/s-video - I don't think it can be corrected individually for both, especially on older monitors like that.

>>2194107
I already calibrated the image thanks to a video I found on some old CRT thread, but the picture is sightly tilted, I don't know how to fix that though.

Pic related: my recently modded N64, notice the height difference between the left side and the right side of the screen.

>Justice gave me less trouble than Ky
That was a shocker. Easier than Testament too, for that matter.

>>2195145
The yoke itself could be tilted a bit. As the 2030 doesn't have a service menu to my knowledge, manually adjusting that might be the only way to go about fixing it.

Can't get enough of how gorgeous retro vidya looks on my pvm 20L5. I fucking love this thing to death. Even my GCN via component looks amazing!

For those that want to do gbp through gcn, keep in mind that its going to look like ass through pvm. The best way to achieve climax inducing graphical fidelity is to buy the SD media launcher card and launch swiss through homebrew to force GBP into 240p. You will not regret it because it will look fucking amazing. I'll post pics sometime later.

>>2192324
My Famicom is AV-modded, but my SNES still uses the RF cable, yet I get that buzzing noise in both of 'em.

I wonder what could it be.

>>2194735
so by playing a NES 240p game on it it would stretch the signal to be 480i?

Philips 27PT6441, found at a curb last year. The amazon reviews for it are horrible though, apparently there's a shitty easily replaced fuse in it that blows eventually. When this thing was new, the average person probably had no idea what the problem was and would have to shell out to get it repaired.

Is this safe

>>2183540
These are, to my knowledge, basically an older version of the M2 models. If it's in good condition (bring a console with 240p test suite if at all possible) then 50$ is a good deal.

>>2195484
>>2183540
Yup, the HR tubes in the `54 series are 600TVL like the M2s, not 800TVL like the M4s. That clarity though, not resolution. Should still be an amazing set if it's in good nick, and worth the $50

>>2195319
>Is this safe
For what?

>>2195145
>>2195185
I fixed a 480P set that way. The yoke is normally held firm on consumer sets with four rubber wedges like little doorstops. removing one or more of those will let you twist the yoke entire, and level the picture a bit. Then you replace the wedges.

Not sure if a PVM will have those rubber chocks, but i reckon it would.

>>2195185
Will later series PVM's that have a service menu really let you tilt the whole picture with the settings?

>>2195742
For the CRT. And for emulating 3rd/4th gen consoles.

>>2195810

Why 436? It's such an odd resolution. 3840 would serve you better.
And why is your refresh rate 160Hz instead of 120Hz?

>>2195245

Probably not.
It'd likely be 240p interpreted as 480i stretched to 1080i.

>>2194729
>tfw no HD CRTs in my country
HD was only introduced after/at the same time as LCDs became commonplace.

In my dreams I would own one of those PVMs/BVMs compatible with 240p, 480i, 480p, 720i, 720p and 1080i. One monitor for everything!

>>2195810
well, the res itself won't hurt, but the Refresh rate of 160Hz might. That's going to force a high Horizontal Sync rate, and SDTV's can only handle under about 16kHz (240p/480i)

Vertical size (Really means pixels + blanking interval) * Vertical Refresh = Horizontal Sync rate

Using vertical pixels in the formula as opposed to true vertical size give you slightly under your Horizontal Sync rate.

PC CRTs normally have higher Horizontal Sync capabilities, much much higher in the case of good ones. Testing things out by upping the horizontal sync rates slowly (and probably increasing horizontal size slowly too, so the pixel clock doesn't get too high) is probably best.

>>2195852
What happens when you leave the desktop at that resolution though?

>>2195201
Unless it's a bad picture turn that brightness down!
I'm sorry jealous though.

I'm super interested in gb/c games in 240p through the GBP, please snap find pictures when you can.

>>2195913

Well, it's extremely stretched. Will you really be doing that?

>>2195919
Err, super jealous

Don't slay me, but is there an opinion in this thread on emulation?

>>2195937

As someone who only owns a PC CRT, I only emulate.
I'd love to own original hardware and all the worthwhile games but it's not something I'm capable of right now.

>>2195939
See, I own the hardware, but I also work from home. I prefer the convenience of emulation from my desk.
But even though I set it up to look as CRT-ish as possible, it's never quite as authentic. Pic related.

>>2195947

I don't know what's going on with that picture. The resolution's all wrong, what's 652x498?
One of the best things about CRTs is that you're not locked to a single fixed resolution so you can accommodate common but odd resolutions like 256x224, 320x224, 320x240, etc.

>>2195950
Oh that was just a quick windowed screenshot. But on that matter, is there a generally accepted "best" resolution?
I've been gaming all my life, but only now am I getting into the finer nuances of it.

>>2195954

If you're using a PC CRT, then 3840x480@60Hz + interlacing/scanline shader is typical.

>>2195959
I'm on a flatscreen...Am fucked?

>>2195962

Kind of, flat screens have a locked resolution. An authentic image can't really be mimicked on that.
Personally, if I'm stuck on a flat screen, I don't aim for authenticity but instead go for clarity. I make sure that the resolution is scaled by an integer - for example, I select this option in snes9x, along with the 8:7 aspect ratio in display configuration.
The screen isn't filled and in the case of the SNES
and NES the aspect ratio is a bit off, but I think the sharpness of it pays off.

>>2195971
I quite like your settings + TV Mode 3X

>>2195780
I can't say without going in and messing around with the settings, but I would figure as much. Really wouldn't make sense, in my opinion, for Sony to include such an option in consumer models and not have an equivalent on their professional sets.

Just got a widescreen CRT from my neighbor's garage sale for free. There's no remote and some minor cosmetic damage but it has HDMI, Component, and S-Video

>>2196543
>hdmi

Hd crt?

>>2196549
Yeah. JVC-AV30W475. I'm looking up more about it now but it apparently can do 1080i

>>2195919

Of course, Anon. I'm just trying to fix up some space, and yeah any faults of that picture I blame my shit phone and possible flash being on.

>>2196557

Uh, this set definitely need some cleaning anon.

This thread is making me miss my measly 14" PVMs ;_;

My goodwill has a wega for $15 should I buy it?

>>2197146
That's a pretty good deal if it's in good shape. Test it before you buy it.

Apparently, the comb filter on my PVM has been off since I received it.

Turned it on, didn't like how it softened the edges; Just gonna stick with the bit of dot crawl that comes from having it off.

Ghetto as shit rigged composite; Could hypothetically get RGB the same way, but getting 2 pins to sit just right is a completely different task to 5.

>>2197146
Depends on the condition and inputs/model; If the former is good and you're happy with the latter, I don't see why not.

Can buy a Trinitron Wega for 15$, is it worth it? How heavy are they?

>>2198156
"Depends on the condition and inputs/model; If the former is good and you're happy with the latter, I don't see why not."

>How heavy are they?
FD/WEGA sets are pretty heavy for their size. Which model/what size is it?

>>2198283
27 inch

>>2198347
Just a bit over 100lb.
Size is often times the real deciding factor on how difficult a CRT will be to move around. For WEGAs, 27'' models are just around the top end of what one could reasonably expect to be able to manage and move on their own.

My PVM-14M2U won't let me use the on screen menu. Whenever I press any of the menu buttons (Menu, Enter, Up, Down) all it does is make the Ext Sync momentarily flip. I have no idea why. I'm looking at the instructions but so far no clue.

>>2180085

I don't know, my 35" Trinitron is only about 183.

Pic related: The ginormous KV35S32. Still does a good job of looking great with S-video. Average sitting distance is 5 1/2 feet.

>>2198409
I can personally attest to this. I can move my 27" SD WEGA around all by myself with little trouble, but my 30" HD WEGA? Even my brother and I struggled to even get it into my room when I first bought it, and we're both grown-ass men.

>>2198560
Is that really with S-video? Turn the sharpness way the fuck down.

>>2198623
It's a 35" TV, super close up. At the normal sitting distance, it looks fantastic, but I'll try turning the sharpness down and see what happens.

>>2198651
See that white ringing around Link? That's likelyh because you have the sharpness all the way up. Sharpness as a setting doesn't actually make the image sharper - it just adds white outlines around stuff to give the illusion of sharpness. It's just noise that doesn't add anything to the picture.

>>2198617
With me, it's the 27'' that's HD and the 32'' thats SD.

The 32'' is barely doable on my own on flat ground; Needs to go upstairs? Fuuuck that.

>>2198623
>>2198651
>>2198654
I thought it might have been VM, but just the sharpness setting could explain it as well.

>>2198654
That's not true, Anon. Sharpness DOES make the image sharper but it reveals the shortcomings of the signal. In this case, we're seeing how S-video lays the black and white down separately from the color. If you overcrank your sharpness setting on Composite, RF or even RGB/Component you see different flaws.

On RF, (or any poorly shielded standard) the snow jumps out heinously
On composite, the color bleeding is extremely visible as similar outlines, but not "white"
On Component/RGB you'll still see the convergence issues and on Genesis, you'll see a lot of cross-hatching instead of "transparency"

>see all the nice pics from PVMs
>get jelly
>try to pull off the same look on an old 15in PC CRT monitor with shaders
>fail

Why even live? And the interlacing shader makes everything too dark and the brightness/contrast adjustments on the monitor are too weak to compensate, so it kinda just looks bad. Might not have set it up properly (people have mentioned to set the resolution at 3840x480; tried that, didn't seem to make a huge difference to what I have it at - 640x480).

I have an older PC lying around that I could use to get a 15khz-compatible graphics card running; would also need a new hard drive and heatsink. Not sure if it's worth doing, and I'd probably want a new monitor anyway. Does 15khz make a big difference? What about 31khz?

Hey so I know nothing about crts but my local thrift store has a couple and I am thinking of grabbing one. One is a sony kv-2080r for $10 it has and has rca inputs and like all the color adjustments in the front. And another sony that looks like a never model of the other. Has s-video but no color adjustment things. Are they worth it?

>>2198692
I find the PC monitor with scanlines method only really works if your monitor has settings to compensate for the loss in brightness, such as my Mitsubishi's SuperBright mode. Otherwise, there's no shame in sticking to line-doubled 480p. It still looks amazing and super sharp, and you still have all the advantages of a CRT.

>>2198692
If it makes you feel any better, I can't get my camera to pull off good pictures of my PC CRT either; Can't even get it to focus as well as you pulled off there.

>didn't seem to make a huge difference to what I have it at - 640x480
The main reason for using such a wide resolution is to make up for the inability to switch resolutions on the fly as the actual console would. If the game isn't changing any of that around, you really won't see any benefit.

>Not sure if it's worth doing, and I'd probably want a new monitor anyway. Does 15khz make a big difference? What about 31khz?
The point of getting a GPU capable of doing that is being able to output to a 15khz capable monitor/TV, be it PVM, Commodore, presentation monitor or just an RGB capable TV. Using it with your current PC CRT just wouldn't work.

>>2198698
And just to put it into perspective: old DOS games were line-doubled and still looked good regardless.

>>2198706
>The main reason for using such a wide resolution is to make up for the inability to switch resolutions on the fly as the actual console would

Also, it allows you to run every resolution at 4:3 without any scaling issues.

>>2198698
>>2198706
>>2198709

Ah okay, I'll set the monitor back to the wide resolution. Will tinker with the shaders a bit more since the monitor isn't bright enough.

And yeah, I'd need a new display if I were to try to do 15khz. I'm considering getting a PVM though I need to take a step back and consider how much everything would cost before that ;_;

>>2198692
the main problems is that you can't really simulate 15khz combination of color and brightness bleeding, and scanlines. Most options/shaders are either too basic (scanlines with intensity if you're lucky) or too bloated (NTSC bleeding with dot crawl and wrong colors, with screen curvature/tilt....)

>>2178309
I haven't been in any previous CRT threads, and I haven't yet read through this thread, but this question's probably been answered a million times.

I have a GTX 480, nVidia says it has two "dual-link DVI" outputs.

I have a small RCA crt television, it's got like 3 sets of yellow/red/white inputs, and an s-video input.

How do I connect them?

Is pic related sufficient? Is the converter box necessary? I'm assuming it is.

>>2198697
Sony is always nice, if in reasonable condition. Got a model no. of the set with S-Video? It probably has all the same adjustments, just using OSD (on-screen-display) and the remote.

>>2198924
Can't tell what those boxes are. What you need to do is downscale the picture to at least 480i, or better yet 240p if you're emulating up to 5th gen (PS1/N64/Saturn). Then you need to get it into the TV of course.

Alternatively, look into Soft15kHz. I'm not sure if a 480 will even work, but if it will you'll need a dongle - http://www.arcadeshop.de/Audio-Video-Soft-15kHz-EDID-Dongle_1082.html - or you can make one if you comb the arcadecontrols.com threads.

>>2198983
the one with s-video is a kv-20exr20 for $12

>>2199046
Well, read the above and decide if it will do what you need it to.

>>2199116
>>2199046

oops, sorry, i thought you were the other anon. Is that one newer? Is it 480p only? What do you want to use it for?

>>2199128
Not sure if its 480p only. I was thinking of just getting a super Nintendo and playing some aladdin. But looking at the prices maybe i could just emulate from the computer and look for deals at the flea market.

>>2199162
yer the longer you hang around the more stuff you'll see :)

The SNES outputs 240p, so if it's a 480p set it will still look ok, just not perfect. And SDTV is what you want if all you'll be running is 4th gen.

>>2199162
>kv-20exr20
>>2199179
Doesn't look like 480p anyway, so it's probably a good set for what you want. With remote?

>>2199183
No remote but I can probably bargain a couple more bucks off. I have some room left over on my desk and its not to big so I think it would look classy in the corner

To the guy that gave me the PVM modelines in the last thread, I finally got around to trying them. I believe they are correct, as the image is completely static, but it's also entirely garbled. I'm thinking that it's probably a hardware issue with this laptop, namely the old intel GMA not wanting to push the low res.

I'm gonna give my HD 4550 a shot real quick but unless it does something special I think I'm gonna just look into doing S video output, at least for 480i. RGB output just will not work for me.

>>2198678
Not that anon, but it depends on how sharpness works on your particular set. I've got a PVM M2 with an 'aperture' knob that basically functions as a sharpness control. For normal game use it works about like you'd expect, cleaning up outlines a bit, but if you run it on a test image it'll create a lot of bloom/bleed around hard color edges unless it's turned all the way down.

Anyone have any idea what Trinitron this might be? Considering grabbing it.

>>2200363
Looks like a KV **FV310/FS320 model. At least 27'', possibly larger.

Assuming it's in good condition, it'd be a damn fine CRT for retro vidya.

>>2200394
Sweet, thanks. I'll be sure to check it out then.

I'm gonna apologize in advance fo rth euneducated posts, I looked this but the results were inconsistent so I thought of turning to you /crt/.
I have an old CRT TV "28" Thomson 28WF201" that my dad left behind some years ago. I don't have space in my house to set it up (this thing is a beast and weighs more than I can carry alone) but I was wondering if it is a good model to keep around in the basement for SNES and PS1/2 games.
Thank you.

Pic related, same model and color.

>>2197553
After a failed attempt at doing the same with RGB and only managing to get 2 of the 3 colors to come though(likely on the wrong lines at that), I think I'm just going to say fuck it and buy a set of model 1 cables.
I'll just have to deal with needing new cables if I ever get a 32x.

Should have taken a picture, looked pretty neat in all honesty.

Lonk

>>2199046
Oh! That's the Trinitron with the little feet! It's a cool model, but the 27-inch version is cooler

>>2201860
Super cute, s-video plus three composite inputs and a composite output too! I think these were sort of between consumer model Trinis and entry level PVMs.

It's garbage.

/thread

>>2201952

>>2200465
That'd be most ideal for PS2 and Gamecube games that support widescreen. Takes RGB through SCART which is very very good.

>>2202006
there are few widescreen GC games, and even fewer anamorphic ones, most if not all are letterboxed.
IE: RE4 is LB on GC but on PS2 can be played either LB or AM, and in 480p even (not over scart obv).

>>2201863
There was a TV exactly like that in a local thrift store, and I was going to buy it (for 10 €) but when we tested it in the store, it didn't work. I was so bummed, I think it was a 27 inch model too.

>>2202008
RE4's supposed anamorphic widescreen on both PS2 and Wii is literally just stretching the game vertically to remove the letterboxing. This actually decreases the image quality of the game and makes it look worse. It's actually best to keep the letterboxing.

>>2202413
dude, no. In widescreen you get the full 480 vertical resolution displayed. With letterboxing you lose resolution because of useless black bars eating lines.
in fact, if a 4/3 TV has a 16/9 mode, it's better to use it in conjunction with the game's widescreen mode, especially a CRT.

>>2201860
>posting a picture I posted from craigslist like a year ago

I'll admit, it's a cool looking set.

>>2202420
I don't know about the PS2 version specifically, but I know for sure on the Wii version, you gain no extra viewing area at all. Enabling widescreen there literally just stretched the game vertically to make it "anamorphic" so that your TV can then stretch it horizontally.

>>2202426
the point of the widescreen mode is not to augment viewing area, it's use the full vertical resolution.

>>2202435
That's great and all, but I'm just stating that using it actually decreases that particular game's image quality due to the vertical stretching. I've tested it, and the game looks a bit blurrier as a result.

>visit /vr/ for the first time in a ages
>this is the first thread i see
why did i stop coming here fuck

>>2202440
the ps2 version was fine with this. Even better when going 480p.
do you play on a CRT ? Does it have a 16/9 mode ? because if you use widescreen mode on a 4/3 screen, of course it'll look wrong if you don't enable 16/9 mode on the tv

Has anyone repaired a 2 blink error code on a Wega? Got pic related off craigslist and it stopped turning on.

I know the possible culprit is either the rgb amp or a transistor but I was wondering if the power supply or flyback would be a more likely culprit.

>>2202450
I have a 16:9 CRT HDTV, and the actual best way to play RE4 on it is to use the Zoom screen setting on the TV. It makes the game use the full screen area of my TV without losing any quality. Looked miles better than using the game's widescreen mode.

>>2202470
ok, might be Wii version then.

Well went to the store and took some pics. Still not sure if i should get it. This is the newer one

>>2199185
the older model has that nice old school look.

>>2203173
Also n64 they had for $15 powers on but no image. And 4 bucks a controller

>>2203176
also found this cereal box sized age of empires with disc guide and trading card pack

>>2203171
>>2203173
How much are the Trinitrons?

>>2203251
Newer one is down to 12 older one is down to 10

Here is my Sylvania 20 inch CRT connected with S-Video. I'm pretty happy with it, considering I only paid 5 dollars for the TV.

>>2203180
When I bought Age of Empires 2 the box it came in was literally a cereal box.

>>2203398
you can forget that 2...

how do you take good pictures without having the pic related problem?
It is a Wii with Retroarch and component cables
A Philips flat screen crt

>>2203171
For $12 you can't really go wrong. I'd buy it in a second, those EXR Trinis are fucking adorable.

>>2203440
Despite seeing that repeatedly on here, I have never had that crop up on me. I wonder what causes it; Shutter speed or the exposure length? All I can recommend is fiddling around with your camera and seeing what works/doesn't or at least reduces the effect.

My camera likes to focus in such a way that you get large portions of the screen not captured as the beam draws to the screen.

Weirdly enough, it often leads to some of the better exposures and most vibrant (in my opinion) of captures. Sadly, moire patterns like to get baked in when this happens as well. Pic related.

Ended up rigging together a temporary RGB setup in the same general vein as >>2197553. Sculpey worked so much better than clay and tape it's not even funny; Wish I had remembered that I had it before.

>>2203558
Said Sculpey plug.

Cleaning this is going to be fun.

>>2184947
With Datel's SD Media Launcher and a Homebrew app Swiss you can launch certain games in 240p like the Gameboy Player, unfortunately I don't think you can force the OoT Master Quest and LoZ Collectors edition to 240p.

>>2204201
Unfortunately, Datel's online shop doesn't seem to be working. You can't signup new accounts there. Anywhere you recommend getting one from?

>>2203291
get
them
both

>20" PVM pops up on craigslist
>cheaper than ebay
>no shipping risks
>looks like owner bought it new when it came out and kept it in his basement
Is it possible this will have low hours? It is a medical monitor that seems to have been used for personal use.
I have a serious problem. I already have too many but every time I see a good deal I just have to take it. Gotta future proof. Gotta have backups just in case.

>>2204268
how much?

Dear anon who bought the biggest trinitron from Japan.
Where are you? I want pics.

>>2204298
$150. Willing to negotiate. I should just stop thinking about it. No way I have room for another.

>>2203173
I love the style of the older trinitrons.

>>2204306
Do you know what model it is? 150$ is a bit high but 100$ for a good condition L2MD/M2MD isn't bad. I've got some and they look stunning.

What do you have now?

So according to the seller the screen is in perfect condition, but on the pics I think I see something, think it's permanent?

>>2204970

>>2204970
>>2204973

Also you think the missing bracket plates would matter? I assume not but I guess they could collect dust.

>>2204970
You should be less worried about any damage to the screen (Which, if I recall, is simply a protective sheer which more often than not hasn't been taken off and can be removed), and more worried about any potential geometry issues, which I severely doubt whoever's selling it went through the trouble to check.

I got fucked over on my 20L5 from some dude who was well aware of the issues he had but never mentioned it in his listing or to me when I came to pick it up and I was too stupid to really go out of my way to check when I picked it up, so be wary.

>>2180628
>Blazing Lasers
>Thinks best weapon is weapon 2

And the award for most correct anon in /vr/ goes to...

>>2202458
I'd bet power supply, if it was the fly you'd have focus/brightness issues but at least it'd turn on. But my only experience are cap kits/flybacks in arcade monitors so YMMV

Why are there two dots on the left and right of the screen?

>>2205036
3 is the laser, 2 is the shitty powerwave that doesn't do enough damage. I used to be a 2 man myself cause of the spread but god damn the damage just sucks too much. Laser supremacy

>>2205080
If I had to guess, I'd say it's just how the mask on that screen is.

>>2204974
Fuck me, that's a 20L5. If in decent condition it's worth every cent of your $150 - just ask Quizno :)

Try to bargain if you can.

>>2205080
My old CRT has them too.

>>2205096
Obviously it's because of how the mask is made, but the question would be why. They're pretty obviously intentional. I'd guess something related to calibration maybe.

>>2204987
hmm thanks for the tip, I guess I got lucky back when I got my 14L5, picture is perfect.

Will my desk be able to handle a 20-30kg CRT?

>>2205320
just set it on your lap, bro

>>2205324
omfg that was the response he deserved :D

>>2205324
>>2205374
I might just throw out my CRT then...

>>2205550
Not them, but how the hell are we supposed to be able to know how much weight your desk can handle? Desks and entertainment centers usually come with ratings on how much weight can be put on each shelf. You'll have to find this information either in a manual or on the manufacture's website.

Where can I get a cheap Playstation SCART cable in Europe that is guaranteed to work with RGB?

>>2205586
The internet/build your own.

The last one is better advice than you'd think, so many shit cables out there and it's not hard given a generic SCART cable (cheaper to buy one and desolder one end than to buy cable and connector seperately), a Playstation AV connector and a soldering iron.
The hardest part to source might be the AV connector, but that can presumably be had by getting any shit Playstation cable.

>>2205320
>>2205324
>>2205374
>>2205550
>>2205554
Have you seen some of the birdy little stands people in these threads set their fuckhueg CRTs on? I'm sure that desk can handle the ~20" CRT Anon wants to put on it but if he wants to be sure he can just put his palms flat on it and lean medium-hard on them to see if it gives or not.

>>2204974
The gap will be fine. What I did was cut a bit of cardboard and fit it in there so it doesn't collect more dust than usual. The card that usually comes with 20L5s is very expensive and will drive the price of the monitor up. I believe it is an SDI card so you won't need it anyway. Everything else you need is already there.

Just ask the seller about the mark. Does permanent marker even stay on glass?

Be careful this monitor is heavier than other 20" PVMs and the handles don't help too much because they are too shallow.

>>2205918
I don't know about the L5, but I do know that the RGB input card on my L2 has better color than the onboard inputs for some reason. Possibly more saturated, but I wasn't clipping based on the color contrast bars. Otherwise it will operate perfectly fine without them.

Also, if it uses the exact same cards as the L2, I might have a spare.

>>2206913
I believe input cards actually have and keep their own configuration settings, so perhaps the one saved to the card was better setup than the one being used for the monitor's onboard profile.

>>2205693
>AV connector... can... be had by getting any shit Playstation cable.

Not quite. If you can't see into the AV plug, then you can't know if it's fully populated. This one, for example, is - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/COMPONENT-AV-CABLE-CORD-FOR-SONY-PS2-PS3-Slim-to-HDTV-/191044460722?pt=UK_Video_Games_Cables_and_Adaptors&hash=item2c7b2320b2