/vr/ - Retro Games

===NEWS===

[01-17] New Push release v0.6b. Banners for everybody. http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=47076

[01-17] Jungle Spirits, a WIP project for Plutonia by Jimmy, new levels, music, sprites and textures: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/67749-jungle-spirits-merry-christmas-beta-3-is-out-o/

[01-17] Crumpets, 6 maps by Ribbiks: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/69135-crumpets-wad-6-maps/

[01-17] /newstuff Chronicles 471: http://www.doomworld.com/php/topstory.php?id=4313

[12-27] Refrigerator Magnets: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1332124

[12-26] In acknowledgement of its increasingly inaccurate date-based title, Slaughterfest 2013 has officially renamed to Slaughterfest 3. It seems to be a slow news week, or I am not looking hard enough.

[12-26] The /newstuff Chronicles #470: http://www.doomworld.com/php/topstory.php?id=4300

[12-24] Accessories to Murder "bleeding edge" version moves to Github, has dual wielding for pistols, new RL sprite and some new monster behavior: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=36877

[12-22] Strife VE 1.2 update: http://steamcommunity.com/games/317040/announcements/detail/215376355260428922

[12-22] New HDoom features http://hdoomguy.tumblr.com/post/105844089822 http://zombie-nsfw.tumblr.com/post/105843041741

[12-21] 32in24-14 single player: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1330738

[12-18] Threshold of Pain II Act 2: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1067497

[12-17] Doom Forever update: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1329812

[12-16] Some modern gaming news site mentions the Cacowards: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/12/16/cacowards-2014-doom-awards/

[12-16] Vile Shatters update: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1329566

[12-15] Looper beats Doom 2 in 21:55 http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1329250

[12-15] Shut Up And Bleed thread/download: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=47302
- DISCLAIMER: This mod has nothing to do with 4chan.

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Please reply to this post with news.

OP from last thread here, I also made this thread, and a very kind anon (>>2184525) updated the news post.

What are the best uses for Mancubi and Arachnotron for map making? They are pretty similar
Mancubi for long-range area denial and arachnotron for medium-range?

So, does anyone know why there are so many zandorum servers hosted in Montreal?

As an Ontario fag that lives pretty close to Quebec, my ping is like, 20. Every now and then it people notice it and freak out.

>>2184875
Because those servers are hosted from Best Ever, which moved from NY to Monty many months ago, hell I think it's been a year now. I live in the province of Quebec myself and get a pretty low ping too.

>>2184882
I should mention, Best Ever is basically a way for player to host their own servers without doing it off of their own machine. It's really useful.

Does anyone play Zdaemon anymore or is it all Zandronum?

>>2184904

both are based on zdoom anyway so i don't see the point on playing the oldest ver. of both

>>2184906
Because the future looks brighter with Zdaemon

>>2184913

that's the gamma tho

Anyone played Chasm the Rift?
Just found out about it, and it's decent. Not good, just decent.
It was made by russians or something.

>>2184904
Zdaemon still gets played, but it's slowly dying. Everything is pretty much on Zandro now. (We even hit 200+ simultaneous players the other day)

Did you ever try playing Doom with a joystick back in the day (or even now)?

Anyone else here play in 4:3 resolutions?

Even though I have a 1920x1080 16:9 monitor, I often play at 1280x960. Doom just feels off to me in widescreen resolutions.

>>2184971
I think the BFG doesnt even work properly in the extra space of widescreen resolutions. At least, when playing PrBoom it doesn't.

>>2184937
I think I remember trying it once back when I was in preschool.

So a while back it was suggested that I give special attacks to guns as well.

Okay.

>>2184937
I've used an arcade stick. It was surprisingly playable that way.

>>2184971
Yes. I have a CRT, and I play at 1800x1440.

Anyone every played blood? It's good but short game. IMO. I really recommend it do, really satisfying.

Alright, so I just updated GZDoom in an attempt to play DoomRLA and DoomRPG together and I'm having quite a few issues.
Not issues with running the mods together, but with GZDoom itself (Okay maybe I'm having issues with both, but one thing at a time).

First thing first, I was looking around the video options, specifically at the resolution list, and saw that after the end of the list there were blank options that I could highlight by hovering the cursor over. So I clicked one, and now GZDoom only shows a black screen on startup.
How can I set the resolution from the command line? That blank option does not seem to be a valid resolution.

>>2185102
Blood would honestly be one of my favorite classics

>>2185038
YOOOOO. Really surprised but glad to see you working on it already.
You ever considered adding something like the mag pull from TSP? Would help conserve ammo/souls with out-of-reach enemies.

>>2185103
Alright, got that sorted out by changing the resolution in zdoom.ini (it had been set to 0x0, weird).
Next issue. Pressing any button on my mouse stops me from turning, which effectively means I cannot turn and fire at the same time. I can still turn and fire by doing either action with the keyboard, but mouselook just stops whenever I hold any button on my mouse.

>>2185102
>short game

Blood (with plasma pak) had 43 levels

Duke 3D Atomic had 39

Working on ui textures, I've gotten tired of the plain green.

>>2185102
Deathwish mod is supposed to be pretty good.

GMOTA has a surprising amount of fire modes and abilities. Played Dissolution through with it, fun stuff.

>>2185156

I'm glad you're enjoying it bro.

>>2184937
I played the Marathon trilogy with a Gravis Thunderbird back when the games came out.

>>2185139
And without the developer made expansions, Blood had 34 levels, and Duke 3D had 28 levels.

>>2185038
So that's pretty nuts.

That better take a fuckhuge amount of ammo too because that's ridiculous strong.

Cool though.

>>2185121

Could be interesting. A not-hookshot in one hand to yank enemies close and the blade in the other. I've got two more weapons to do, so maybe one might become it--depends on what the original creators want them as.
I've also still got a few more special moves to do, maybe the Kharon + Sheathe by itself could have that as a special move.

>>2185179

It's actually ridiculously weak so far, that was a lucky roll.
The bullets behave infuriatingly randomly at the moment, sometimes thudding around into everyone and sometimes conveniently missing every single goddamn fucking asshead enemy while they stand there taunting you.
Gonna need to figure out if I can make it a bit more consistent.

>>2185193
You could make the the bullet spawned ricochet towards an enemy when it hits a wall and then have the rest be random.

However this would probably absolutely wreck a single enemy if it was done like this.

I am more curious as to what the shotgun special could be

What are some good map packs for demonsteele? Most of the shit I have is way too claustrophobic.

>>2185197
jenesis

>>2184914
you explained the joke. never explain the joke!

>>2185193
Maybe add some autoaiming tic at the bounce, so when they hit a wall, they'd bounce out right at the enemy, if that enemy is withing a certain LOS angle (from bullets perspective). The angle should be relatively low so they dont just autoaim at everything right away.

Maybe make it a chance to reaim at the target at every bounce.

>>2184971
yes i use 640x480 software mode, my monitor scales and pillarboxes it in hardware.

>>2185197
Hellbound and Vanguard are the best for Demonsteele out of what I know of. I've been trying to look for ones that work well with it, myself.
There's also Newgothic that an anon recommended me not long ago, which is very fun but I got frustrated with it because map03 is completely unplayable due to the insane number of projectiles. Not even because it's hard, but because both GZDoom and Zandronum refuse to run the map. Every time I tried, the game would chug so hard that I would get one frame every 15 seconds.

>>2185193
>maybe the Kharon + Sheathe by itself could have that as a special move.
That could work, but I think having it use a lot of soul gauge would make it not worth using. What about having the input be holding the alt-fire and releasing, like the launcher on Kharon?
I've played Demonsteele religiously the past month, and the only thing that has consistently aggravated me was a combination of many maps having enemies that are difficult to reach and the airdash going too fast or far. I haven't tested the new build with the change to the airdash yet, it sounds like a necessary improvement.

>>2184924
Chasm, thought by many as a Quake clone, was actually in development before Quake and is closer to Doom - the levels are not truly 3D, since the engine uses technique similar to Doom. However it has quite some ammount of shootables and cool effects, including enemy dismemberment - you can shoot guy's weapon arm off, so he'll try to hit you with a melee. Shoot off both arms, and he'll try to kick you.

However level design is fairly meh after the first episode. Also I can't seem to find a way to run it on my PC without DOSBox, and in DOSBox it runs slow as hell, even though I have a good CPU.

>>2185197
The classics all work well(Scythe series, HR, Alien Vendetta, etc.)
Slaughtermaps work well due to the way the sword damage scales so something like Sunder is good.
Speed of Doom and Hellbound are also the bee's knees.
Whitemare 2 works good.

>>2185208
What monitor do you use?
I was looking for a monitor that can scale to integer and letterbox for a long time.

>>2185214
>>2185209
I find Hellbound to have great mapdesign, but pretty boring gameplay. Tried to run through it and dropped midway due to being bored. Does playing it with DS spruce things ub a bit?

>>2185038
That webm kinda loops nicely.

>>2185215
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hp_lp2475w.htm

Jesus fucking Christ, Trailblazer's minigun makes mincemeat out of the Cyberdemon and Spider Mastermind in no time.

But I stil don't now how exactly the Nutcracker works. I just picked it up in Going Down's Roof Rage map, and I'm that bit where you are on the outside buildings while the center one is beset with Knights, Revenants, and two Cyberdemons. So they are too far away. Looks like a very, VERY powerful shotgun to me.

Talking about shotguns, I think the dual sawed off ones in Trailblazer are a tad OP. immense damage when fired simultaneously and unlike most other weapons reloading is done manually and really fast.

>>2185226
The Nutcracker is basically a very, very picky railgun that sends you flying. It only seems to properly hit a target half the time, a lot of weapons hit walls or nothing at all for me because they're actually coming from my right side rather than directly down center.

>>2185203
>>2185209
>>2185214
Thanks guys, gotta go download some of these

>>2185228
I'd say that makes sense since the weapons are not placed dead center like unmodded.

>>2185226
>Talking about shotguns, I think the dual sawed off ones in Trailblazer are a tad OP
I found them to outclass all other weapons short of the minigun due to the firing rate and reload speed. It feels like it does more damage per pellet than the pump and with a wider spread.
I tried to like Trailblazer, and it's a good idea, but there's so many things where I just feel there wasn't much thought put into it.

These sights are cool as fuck

>>2185235
Yeah, the machine gun for example feels overall weaker than firing dual uzis.

When was the last time there was a /vr/ server and more than 5 people played at once?

>>2185235
Play the 1.2a update.

Pump shotgun is now the clearly dominant choice in terms of power.
More piercing shots, more power in the secondary.

Pump shotgun REALLY shines when dealing with crowds now.
To compare, the sawed offs are just a much faster SSG.
The pump shotgun is 1.5x stronger per shot because it uses 3 shells instead of 2 per blast.
Piercing shot instakills pinkies and it goes out about 150 feet so it deals with crowds very well and is much more efficient than the sawed offs.

The sawed offs do trivialize many fights and invalidates weapons like the SMGs, Assault rifle, two revolvers and pistol though.

>>2185236
I don't remember sights like those in Doomnukem.

>>2185196

The current idea I'm looking at for the shotgun is to spin it multiple times to load up multiple shells at once and then release them all in a single, massive, holy burst.
Boy, magic angel weapons sure makes justifying mechanics easy.

>>2185207

Could be worth a shot. I'll give it a try and see how it goes.

>>2185209

I'll try this as well. The idea of just whipping out a Zelda hookshot and yelling GET OVER HEEEERE makes me giggle.

>>2185259
I'm not sure, that massive shot has to be a real powerhouse otherwise I'm just going to do a forward sword special

I feel like i've tried everything maybe you guys can help

Gzdoom keeps crashing and I cant figure out why. I've autoremoved and manually removed it and tried again several times with many different WADs and pk3s

pic is the error I get but cant ctrl+c from it

it used to work flawlessly

>>2185193
>Kharon+sheathe hookshot

In Ninja Scroll, Jubei did some tricky shit with a string tied to his sheathe. Do with that what you will.

>>2185205

looks more like a burn to me

>>2185219
Yeah. Hellbound didn't really do it for me, either.

I also found it inconsistent. It starts off trying to be dark and moody, but by the final few levels, its just typical action packed doom.

>>2185264

At the moment, the way the gun specials work is by using only one notch of the soul meter and about 10% of your ammo, so I'd imagine it'd just be utilizing whatever is more available to you at the moment.
If you wanna conserve meter and/or have a whole bunch of ammo, you'll use the shotgun special. If you have a whole bunch/don't care about your meter but are low on ammo, use the forward special willy nilly.

For the folks who somehow never seem to run out of soul no matter how much they burn through the specials (you guys are fucking wizards), I'd imagine this won't change much.

>>2185236
I know, right?

>>2185242
Accessories To Murder

>>2184937
I played through all of Ultimate Doom with a ergonomic joystick I got when I was a youngun.

Speaking of which, is there any particular PC gamepad which any of you would recommend for Doom, or similar games? I have a cheap DualShock clone, which is ok for emulating old Nes, Snes, and Gameboy games, but the analogs are just way too slow for Doom (and I'd honestly like just a couple of more buttons, as well as 'clickable' analog sticks).

Any of you have any particular success with any gamepad?

>>2185314
>but by the final few levels, its just typical action packed doom.

Yeah. Map30 being a slaughtermap with a judas priest midi was particularly a bad move. It just feels out of place

>>2185315
fine by me
i constantly drown in ammo and never seem to have enough soul, so i'm happy to have a cheaper alternative

idea for omen special: chucking the damn thing for a long-range hammernuke

>>2185315
>For the folks who somehow never seem to run out of soul no matter how much they burn through the specials (you guys are fucking wizards)
It's actually really really easy to keep a stockpile of special.

The trick is to focus on the sword for about 90-95% of kills and when you do go for specials you do back special as a way to get in to do more slicing.

The only time special seems to really ever be an issue is on really empty maps(Special isn't needed in small numbers) and when you use guns.

>>2185102
Do you think we'll ever get the source code if Atari finally kicks the bucket? Hell, I'd be happy with Jace Hall's source port.

>>2185337

I'm waiting for BloodXL

>>2185342
I think that will be vaporware, sadly.

>>2185345

I remember when the developer said that the DarkXL beta will be out around the new year. Two years ago.

>>2185242
altfire with the salt guns bringeth uppe thie sights of iron.

>>2185316
>Accessories To Murder
look at the filename to AtM...

What megawads have you guys done full runs?

I remember doing the entirety of Memento Mori and Icarus as a kid.

Recent years, I've played Speed of Doom, Eternal Doom and Hadephobia from start to finish. I'm also currently in the progress of playing Resurgence (on map18 atm)

>>2185386
very few, since most maps are designed for pistol starts and doing full runs messes that up.

i do remember doing hell revealed though. the number of savegames i needed to get through map24 was astronomical.

>>2185427
>most maps are designed for pistol starts
The stock maps, yes.
Otherwise, user created maps vary in this effort.

>>2185427
>most maps are designed for pistol starts and doing full runs messes that up.

You do realise thats so they're balanced for players who die and restart, right?

Also, The only megawads I'd say doing a full run messes it up, (ie, arent designed with full runs in mind at all), are the Community Chests, 1024 mapsets, and similar stuff.

>>2185427
>since most maps are designed for pistol starts and doing full runs messes that up.

Err what?

Most maps are balanced for pistol starts because
1: Dying and restarting forces you to do it from pistol start. Only time that isnt the case is if you're using a zdoom-based port, and have autoloading in effect.
2: Speedrunners

Simply being balanced for pistol starts does not mean you're not meant to play them progressively, either. Most 90's/early 00's megawads, and just about any megawad with dehacked patches that modify the text intermissions with story are designed with progressive play in mind aswell.

>>2185442
pistol starts are the easiest to test.

not really debating you on there being non-pistol start maps. Just saying...since they're easier to test, more people end up making them that way.

>>2185454 >>2185450 >>2185442
all right let's forget "designed for" pistol starts. but the fact remains if you play any sequence of levels without resetting your weapons/ammo then after a few maps you will be starting every one with full health/ammo. >>2185456 "pistol starts are the easiest to test" is more what i meant. designed *by default* for pistol starts because how else are you supposed to test a map, i mean, if i'm making map22 of a megawad i'm not going to keep playing through all 21 previous maps every time.

also i have to say _continuing_ from a pistol start seems weird to me. like you do map01, map02, map03 successfully then die on map04, so you restart map04. i'd either reload a save or start again from map01, otherwise it doesn't seem like a fair test to me.

>>2185459
>you will be starting every one with full health/ammo

Thats not quite true, either. Ammo/health balance is also a thing maps are designed around. Plenty of megawads will even often have their later levels designed around making sure you run low on ammo, and have to try not to get hurt to conserve your health.

>>2185460
There are plenty of doomers who refuse to save outside of when they have to leave the computer.

>>2185459
I consider it a sufficient punishment for dying.

>>2185468
meant for >>2185460

>>2185459
It's actually pretty easy for a tester to give himself equipment he's supposed to have with console comands.

>>2185471
>console commands

Not available if you're testing for vanilla or boom. Which is the formats most mappers go for.

>>2185475
Then either pop into zdoom for testing balance (not compatibility) with comp settings or put items on playerstart to be deleted before release

>>2185478
Well true, you're right.

>>2185478
>>2185471

key word is that pistol start is easiER.

What is more simple:
loading your sourceport, IDCLEVing/map commanding to your map and just pistol starting
-or-
loading your sourceport, idcleving to the map, consolecommanding in 9001 different weapons and then starting. (or using a new playerstart set of items for the map).

Pistol start is the easiER of the two options...not that it isn't easy to just command in some items, it's still fewer keystrokes to just pistol start balance it (+ the wonderful benefits such a balance scheme has already for dead players, demomakers and speedrunners.)

>>2184924
Speaking of russians

>>2185102
I just finished playing through Blood + Plasma pack. It's crazy good. Best level design of the 3d realms trilogy in my opinion.
Now I just started playing Death Wish and god DAMN, this shit is impressive. I'm so glad we're still getting quality content after nearly 20 years!

>>2185493
If in zdoom I just use a script I remove before the level is released that gives a bunch of stuff on start so I don't have to type it in, it's like a couple of keypresses to change stuff.

Can even take away health, and have numbers be random in a range if testing of previous levels has shown that amounts at the end vary a bit.

In DB2 you don't have to use warp to test in either ZDoom or Boom

>>2185493
>idcleving

doom builder has button that starts you directly on the given map.

>>2185502
Yeah nigga, Blood is the fucking GOAT, even with all its unpolished flaws. Death Wish is also incredible.

>>2185471
>>2185503
I honestly don't think testing for progressive runs is necessary, if the mapset has proper difficulty progression. If anything, it can potentially be detrimental to pistol start balance, since you could run into situations where a map is too reliant on resources from earlier maps, making it excessively difficult for pistol starters.

The mapper for Map28 from Icarus originally wanted to balance it around progressive runs, but got told off for making the map have way too little resources to the point that it was virtually unplayable from pistol start. And this is a map that even in its final state, is scarce on resources.

ZAP 18 Paradox Lost

play this if you like memento mori-style bases.

http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=14993

>>2185678
>The mapper for Map28 from Icarus originally wanted to balance it around progressive runs, but got told off for making the map have way too little resources to the point that it was virtually unplayable from pistol start.

that's quite amusing. how do you know this?

>Forced Pistol Starts

Why is online Doom so disappointing? It's so difficult just to have a good game of classic deathmatch.

>Odamex
No one plays it regularly enough.
>Zandronum
Just MODs that take away the feel of Doom or change it altogether.
>ZDaemon
Mostly cooperative.


Poor Odamex.

>>2185784

Why don't you just accept the fact that your kind is a niche audience and keep playing?

At least be thankful that there's a port that fits your needs and it's also open source

>>2185792
because 10 years ago it was all about the classic doom deathmatching and ctfing. bring back the glory days.

also i dont even like odamex that much
i really just miss skulltag and classic skulltag levels :(

>>2185781
>IDFA

Here it is, at long last. The DOOM source code is released for your
non-profit use. You still need real DOOM data to work with this code.
If you don't actually own a real copy of one of the DOOMs, you should
still be able to find them at software stores.

The bad news: this code only compiles and runs on linux. We couldn't
release the dos code because of a copyrighted sound library we used
(wow, was that a mistake -- I write my own sound code now), and I
honestly don't even know what happened to the port that microsoft did
to windows.

The basic rendering concept -- horizontal and vertical lines of constant
Z with fixed light shading per band was dead-on, but the implementation
could be improved dramatically from the original code if it were
revisited. The way the rendering proceded from walls to floors to
sprites could be collapsed into a single front-to-back walk of the bsp
tree to collect information, then draw all the contents of a subsector
on the way back up the tree. It requires treating floors and ceilings
as polygons, rather than just the gaps between walls, and it requires
clipping sprite billboards into subsector fragments, but it would be
The Right Thing.

Some project ideas:

Port it to your favorite operating system.

Add some rendering features -- transparency, look up / down, slopes,
etc.

Add some game features -- weapons, jumping, ducking, flying, etc.

Create a packet server based internet game.

Create a client / server based internet game.

I don't have a real good guess at how many people are going to be
playing with this, but if significant projects are undertaken, it would
be cool to see a level of community cooperation. I know that most early
projects are going to be rough hacks done in isolation, but I would be
very pleased to see a coordinated 'net release of an improved, backwards
compatable version of DOOM on multiple platforms next year.

Have fun.

John Carmack
12-23-97

>>2185875
>having to use cheats to get around a bad design decision

>>2185881
>linux

SOMEONE CALL /g/ RIGHT NOW

>>2185906

You called?

So I got in contact with the mapper behind the DemonSteele level screenshots, and we've been doing a little bit of a discussion.

Now, let me preface by saying THIS IS NOT A GUARANTEED THING. We remember what happened with the attempted Metrood levels.
But at the moment we're discussing a mini-campaign for DemonSteele, to help address all the "what the fuck do i play demonsteele with" questions and cement what kind of map flow really compliments the gameplay.
I had a lot of fun doing the level for the NES Zapper mod and he's already got a level finished. So I figure if we keep it small, maybe four or five levels or so, then we've got a real chance of making it happen.

So, like always, /vr/, I'd like to hear your thoughts.
What sort of environments do you think would work really well for the \m/ METAL \m/ feel? What sort of maps are you finding contributes the most to the gameplay? Anything that you're finding you especially hate to wade through?

must you call it a campaign. is there no better word to use

anyway, metal, blood, hell, flesh, fire, all that sort of stuff. over the top.

The people who worked on "Insanity Doom" were silly when it game to translations for some of their enemies.

>>2185923
>What sort of environments do you think would work really well for the \m/ METAL \m/ feel?
gothic cathedrals and lava and shit
the first episode of scythe 2 is basically perfect

>What sort of maps are you finding contributes the most to the gameplay?
wide open areas with lots of enemies, painkiller or serious sam style
demonsteele has a lot of mobility shit so lots of room to jump and move around is a plus

>Anything that you're finding you especially hate to wade through?
the opposite of previous. low ceilings with not a lot of room to jump around really buzzes my fun

The people who worked on "Insanity Doom" were silly when it game to translations for some of their enemies.

Edit: forgot to upload Screencap, whoops.

>>2185935
now i'm radioactive! that can't be good!

>>2185935
>Edit: forgot to upload Screencap, whoops.

>>2185935

Link for the wad in the pic? I'm certain its Insanity Doom but google didn't help.

>>2185956

The wad(s) in the pic are Trailblazer (Obviously) and an enemy pack I'm working on for personal use. I just felt like sharing that bit of silliness.

>>2185923
Basically I want to fight on a megadeth album cover

>>2185881
I tried to compile the source on Linux machines several times. I still can't get it to work.

Does anyone know which track is used in the first map of Vanguard? The text file says it's from Blood but I'm having difficulty finding the track on any of the soundtracks up online. Help a nigga out.

>>2185881
Is it homo to kinda love that guy?

I mean, he clearly chases money, and does things for himself, but then turns around and releases all his work ~5 years later for everyone else to have, something never really seen in software now...

Shame he can't do the same with IdTech6 et al, I think those engines have tremendous capability if they were broken from the bullshit of tickrate physics, etc.

>>2185935
That shotgun looks delicious.

you didnt get this from me

http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=808180#p808180

>>2185923
1) gothic cathedrals and castles are a must. they're such an iconic look.
2) at least one dedicated japan level for the yakuza enemies.
3) make the hell not a generic fire&brimstone pls
4) rocketjumping segments to take advantage of the.....rocketjumping

>>2185923
>>2186119
Hell is actually Akihabara and the demons you've been fighting all along were gaijin pigs.

>>2186065
Why are people so hateful over BD? It's not my style, but fucks sake, let it be.

>>2185923
I'm going to agree with everyone about gothic cathedrals and Japan levels, but since you've used violent straight-to-VHS anime as a point of reference on this before, might I recommend looking to the last act of Berserk for ideas for Hell's landscape.

Also, in the vein of cool, oldschool, violent anime, I think there should be at least one gritty cyberpunk level like the tower in Cybercity Oedo or something. And possibly a post-apocalyptic ruin of a former metropolis, because lord knows that's where 80% of all head-exploding anime between '88 and '95 took place.

>>2186129
No fun allowed for people with different tastes I guess.

Next thing you know peope will try to get HDoom taken down.

>>2185923

Just do Kill Bill Pt1

http://bayeux.datensalat.net/
Make something doom related with this

>>2186065
WW is right, it wouldn't work anyway, so the flag being there is a moot point.

Well, you could completely rework both mods to work with each other, but that'd be insane amounts of work, what with Mark's spaghetti code and all.

>>2186146

not hard to guess at all

>>2186146

>>2186151
also I guess Enjay's never had one of his mods trashed by players zerostarring it for not being compatible with YouKnowWhat

This may be stupid, but I just started playing Beyond Reality and I got to map 4. Does the map want me to jump to the crate with the key, or am I missing something here?

castle meniscus

a large mazey level running on map10. somewhat tedious and obscure to play. killing lots of barons with slow weapons, having to find invisible doors, that kind of thing.

http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=3761

>>2186214
It's designed with jumping in mind, yes. Go for it.

>>2186214
its text file says it is designed for zdoom, skulltag, or zandronum, and didn't otherwise appear to mention jumping (unless i missed it, i only briefly skimmed the thing) so if it hasn't explicitly disabled jumping via mapinfo or whatever you can assume you're allowed to do it.

>>2185728 (me)
>play this if you like memento mori-style bases.
this map is really good by the way. i should have talked it up a bit more.

>>2186146

>>2186065
>The "Brutal DemonSteele" compatibility patch isn't really even that malicious. A whole bunch of -SOLID revenants that you can run through and can still complete the level with if you speedrun? That's not even that nasty, it's just silly. It's not like I'm stopping you from having fun, I'm just throwing a bunch of screaming skeletons into the mix.

hey term, if you're reading this, would you mind tweaking the revenants a bit, then?
brutal doom's revenant missiles are really particle-heavy and a whole ton of them can actually wreck a lot of low-end computers
it goes from "funny challenge" to "unplayable mess" in a very short span of time

>>2186281

Sure.
I'll limit them to about 100 or so, too, so people hosting online don't get their servers wrecked.

>>2185102
Someone remade the game for Doom and called it Zblood I think.
It's literally the exact same game, just in the doom engine.

There used to be some 24 hour server that played it, but I can't seem to find it now. It was one of my favourites.

>>2186326
>It's literally the exact same game

In the same way that dehacked patches are the exact same game, maybe.

>>2185769
>I play tested the level until I was completely confident that you pretty much only had enough ammo in the level to half whatever supplies a standard player had leftover from map 27.
>The concept was more along the lines of removal of any significant gain made by the player up to that point in the game. Hence the name, Excavations. The setting of the map reflected this concept. I never really made this public to the rest of the team at that time, it was more of a private joke. I was constantly told by the others on the team that there wasn't enough ammunition in the level, and against my wishes, my father eventually doubled the amount on the map before release, to my cries of, "screw em, real men punch shit to death!"
>-steven

On the doomwiki

>>2185781
I take it you don't like the Scythe series.

>>2186326
>It's literally the exact same game, just in the doom engine.

I honestly wish that was true.

fucking flesh consumed, might as well call it doom souls

>>2186407
why does this remind me of halo?

>>2186407
Winter's Fury has some damn fine aesthetics.

even if it got deleted, gang mode has been engaged

my job is done

>>2186326
>It's literally the exact same game

>>2185881
>The DOOM source code is released for your non-profit use
But since the license was changed to GPL, does it means we can use it for profits now?

>>2186383

the first two levels are some fucked up shit, but after that Episode 4 chills out

here, Episode 4 in 21 mins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skmhd1v4y9Q

>>2186425
>gang mode has been engaged
>only two posts directly responding to it

wow man check out this gang

>>2185102
What's the best way to experience it right now ? I opened it up on some dos collection I've downloaded awhile back and it kinda ran like ass.

>>2185197
I played it with The Eye and it was crazy as hell.
In a good way.

>>2186407
is this mod finished?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjdXQ01XUpA

Anyone know the WAD for the maps used in this video? I know the game WAD is Trailblazer but what WAD are the maps from?

>>2186441
You can sell a game with a GPL source port, as long as you either release the source code with it, or direct the consumer to where they can get a hold of it.

>>2186501
Looks like Unholy Realms if I'm not mistaken.

>>2186501

Unholy Realms

>>2185923
You should use Guilty Gear for inspiration. It's just what you need - metal and anime in one crazy package

>playing No Rest for the Living secret level
>drop down the wall and kill a hundred hell knights and pinkies
>drop next wall
>archvile appears and begins reviving all the monsters I just killed
>spider mastermind and revenants wrecking my shit
>archvile fries me to death
>quickload
>drop all walls, grab megasphere and make a mad dash past all enemies to exit

>>2186601
Speaking of NRFTL, what the hell were they thinking with the boss map? It felt like they made it in 10 minutes or something. Its also apparently the only NRFTL map that actually fits within the vanilla limits (the rest of the maps are limit removing)

What are some MIDIs you guys think would be cool in a DOOM wad?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02odeuFx3vg

>>2186625
Sounds like something out of a DWANGO wad.

>>2186625
Not specifically midi files, in fact when I make levels, I usually use chiptunes or mod files. That was one of the things I loved the most about Reelism.
I'd love to see a doom level with music from the unreleased Time Trax game. Tim Follin deserves to have his godly music heard, especially with a kickass level to compliment it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEMyullMSME

>>2186625
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8tpFRNQhDY

>>2185796
How do you feel about stuff like samsara?

Samsara ctf always fills up quick if you put up a server.

The special attack for the shotgun is done.

Slightly OP.

>>2184924
this was my first ever FPS

>>2186724
>dat spin
hnnnnnnng

>>2186724
>slightly

>>2186724

BENELLIS IS PLEASED

>>2185143
Looks super slick, I dig it!

The latest version of Hard Doom just came out. Gonna load it up with Going Down and have some fun.

>>2186724
I like it.

>>2186724
I don'y have a picture of our Lord and Savior Benellis, so have this instead.

Any word on the Berserk mod?

>>2186338
cool, there's not many doomwiki pwad map articles that aren't just empty templates so i never bother to read them

>>2186724
what's the map you're playing on

>>2186004
Its actually from Duke Nukem 3D. Its called Snake1

>>2186749
I doubt that's a fresh, one shot cyberdemon kill. Judging by all the blood on the walls, I'd say its been tenderized a bit before the recording started

http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?random

I wonder what it could be..

>>2186750
>>2186796
It's Benellus

>>2186948
Protomud

this is a deathmatch level with monsters. some new textures. you can get 100% kills but the symmetry of layout and lack of an accessible exit makes it unsatisfying.

http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=1825

>>2186926
He said first map. Snake1 is used in map03.

>>2186948
Bath of Hate.
Decent looking level, but I blasted through it pretty easy once I got the double barrel.

>>2185875
>IDFA instead of Ressurect in the fraction of time you died

>>2186948

Death Murder Kill

there's some stupid Running Man esque plot about reality TV but this is just a map that escaped from 1994 into the far future of 2001. there are some good bits, but only if you can be bothered with traversing a repetitive and copypasted series of thin stone tunnels. and "good" means just "you have a bit more room to move", just rooms with big traps in the walls. after accidentally resetting the level after another irritating chaingunner death, i couldn't be bothered to play it again.

http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?file=levels/doom2/d-f/dmk.zip

Can I make GZDoom always open with autoaim off?

>>2187057
yeah i think you can do that from player setup

>>2186424
Except for the weapon in that pic.

>>2186796
>filename
too true

>>2186978
>http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=1825
that map is in H2H-Xmas.

How's this for visual effects on the magic missile?

>>2187075
It's certainly a missle, and it's being shot via magic. I think it works.

>>2187054
i hate to leave a map unfinished so restarted and cheated through the rest of it.

not worth it.

>>2187064
Thanks.

Hey guys, ever wanted to play Doom like you're a one-armed stroke victim?

http://youtu.be/aIvwpV5mejc

>>2187115
that's a fat hand.

>>2187075
I like this literal approach, magic missile is usually interpreted as faggy blue ball

>>2187135

Visual gags are the best, which is the sole reason why I gave the mage gunner a magic missile

>>2187136
Literal magic missiles always kinda amused me - english is not my native language, and I initially learned it from video games, so I associate the word "missile" with the rocket, not with the projectile in general.

>>2186724
I'm dripping like niagara falls here. github update when

DM2MUD.WAD

a compact high density map with a similarly high monster density. there are masses of ammunition and health at the end (remindful of a king reol level) but the start is dry to the point of being unplayable. this somewhat ruins it. awkward monster placement and mandatory secret-finding don't help either. a pity, it would be much better if the resources were more evenly distributed and the map were less cramped.

perhaps the doom version would be better, this is a very early doom2 map and was probably a quick conversion, not playtested well.

http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=1137

Okay so. Guys.

Would you guys be able to suspend your disbelief if an Ophidian could shoot black bombs from his spear at closer ranges? I'm contemplating making him the Baron replacement as a Bomb Naga or some kinda clever name if someone else can gimme something else.

though I'll probably remove the horns.

>>2187154
Upscale him a bit and work some translation magic and it'd probably be pretty convincing.

>>2187158

Translation magic eh? Like a clump of energy turning into a black bomb? Yeah I could probably do something like that.

Though the problem is it looks like the Ophidian has an Xdeath ONLY. Damn

>>2187032
Is the hud + gun part of a mod you're working on?

>>2187162
No, I meant on the Ophidian spriteset. Make him look different enough from the original and nobody will complain if he has different attacks.

>>2187167

Oh. Shit, well I could give him a helmet, if that'd help. I'll look more into this.

>>2187171
Change the colour. That's what he's saying.

http://wiki.zdoom.org/wiki/Translation

>>2187224

>color related things

>mfw currently working on a japan themed mappack

>>2187251
Fucking weebs man. Ganbatte!

IT'S FUN TO STAY AT THE-

>>2187251

Outside of the obvious knee-jerk reaction of FUCKING WEEB, traditional Japanese environments might lend itself well to Doom. The architecture tends to revolve a lot around low ceilings with a lot of wide floors, and a multi-level Japanese palace could be very fun to romp through.

total DooM wads noob here, is there a list of recommended wads/total conversion mods/whatevers out there? I've only played Pirate Doom and I need more.

>>2187251
That's pretty cool. I liked Gekokujo for Mount and Blade Warband, despite its very blatant problems.

>>2187462

>>2187453
Hello.

>>2187462
>Pirate Doom
Good start.

I'm gonna suggest Back To Saturn X and Accessories To Murder, preferably at the same time.

Fortress of Doom (2)

another entirely too symmetrical wide open castle map. chaingunners everywhere and no cover makes for a frustrating opening until you clear out a couple of sides. then it becomes easy. very top-heavy.

http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=1077

>>2187471
i advise playing it without mods first as that's how it was designed

>>2187462

wetwrk2.wad

i immediately recognised this as one of the source maps for 1994TU. it's likely a conversion as there is very little doom2 stuff in it besides chaingunners, and a super shotgun i didn't get until near the end.

http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=1079

>>2185781
>hurr durr i'm a crybaby

>>2187484
looks like it's been caught out trying to sneak somewhere

>>2187482
>It Was A Dark And Stormy Night
Anyone have a couple of screens of this? I'm kinda curious, it looks TNT based.

http://www.doomretro.com/2015/01/doom-retro-v165.html

this is pretty cool effect actually

>>2187482
How many of these are 32 level Megawads?

>>2187469
We need an all-suited wad.

>>2187538
Whitemare 2
Doom 2 in name only
Going Down
Back to Saturn X Ep 2
200 minutes of /vr/

>>2187476

It's generally always best to play levelsets for the first time without gameplay mods.
You can get an idea for what the author aimed for--a tense experience with pressuring enemies breathing down your neck, a hectic experience with lost souls and demons chasing you, or an atmospheric experience with sparse encounters? With this knowledge, you'll better know what gameplay mod compliments it, so you're not stuck trying to play Project MSX on a creepy atmospheric mapset or play SUAB on a slaughtermap.
Plus, if the map breaks, you know it's either the map's fault or the gameplay mod's fault, instead of not being sure whether it's one or the other.

>>2187469
>>2187546
nice

>>2187546
GNTLMNLY.WAD
do it

>>2187590
To provide an alternate viewpoint, playing a mapset vanilla first ruins half the fun of some mods. Already knowing all the encounters and traps really hurts the experience that mods like SUAB or Hideous Destructor offer.

The way I see it, it's fine to play something with mods first, as long as you don't go and complain to the author(s) about map balance being fucked up. You should expect that going in.

>>2187527
that's actually neat

Is there anywhere/way I can auto-prune any outdated wads I have and download the latest versions? Kinda like no-intro sets? Is there a program or site that does this?

>But of course, there's the eternal question one must raise when it comes to new software.
>Can you play Doom with it?

I feel this can also be applied to Tetris.
Is there a Tetris .wad for doom?

>>2187527
Neat effect I suppose.

>>2187704
Meant for
>>2187115

>>2187527
>Donate.

Why is there only like, one guy seeding the idgames torrent?

Left vs Right
which one is better?
Your answer will determine what I rip.

>>2187796

right

and please, for the love of god, try to accommodate the doomguy hands so they match the ones from the rip

>>2187796
left pistol, right chaingun

>>2187804
Both

>>2187796
Right pistol, left chaingun

>>2187813
Same here.

>>2187819
>>2187813
>>2187806
>>2187804

Only both left or both right. Otherwise the hand will change in brightness as you change weapons. Also all the other weapons are gonna get ripped too.
Pick a side.

>>2187820
Right side then.

>>2187796
Can't decide on the pistol, but I'll say the right Ripper Chaingun.
Also, I'll hope you'll retouch the rips, pure rips never look good as they are in Doom.

>>2187820

standing with what I said in >>2187804 already

>>2187820
Rip both
But use the left side

>>2187829
>>2187804

I don't retouche things because my actual artsy skill is below zero (I ruin everything I touch), so I'll leave that to anybody who'll actually use my rips.

Also any way to rip the sounds directly out of DoukNukumFurrevur? I don't wanna record gameplay and chop sounds cause that looks like unnecesary hassle to me.

>>2187764
i don't see the point of it. it's a year out of date and even so it's easier to do a recursive wget on one of the mirrors isn't it?

>>2187845
Then why not rip both?

>>2187850

we have folks who don't know how to load things in correct order and you want 'em to do wgets?

>>2187853
because it would be time consuming.
I do 720p 35fps rips because reasons
I'll try to find a compromise I guess. Not so many spots in this game where light is not saturated/overbrightening. Damn Unreal 1.5 engine and its HDR.

I've been looking for doom trailers and found some I've never seen before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3VROCgKbVI
Jaguar, still my favorite

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3utDPvmzfE
SNES rather spooky, but shows little gameplay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiPNg8hn_1o
Doom 2 PC, mmm early 90s cheap cgi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcINs2hJwGs
32x, still lies about the abilities of the 32x.

>>2187861
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUAhchRu_Js
I love the radio ad.

>>2187861
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiPNg8hn_1o
>Doom 2 PC, mmm early 90s cheap cgi
that was hilariously terrible, especially the part where the monitor eats the user

>>2187861
>Do the math
Shame Atari didn't do the math themselves.

>>2187863
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUAhchRu_Js
>I love the radio ad.
there's a hellknight in that! false advertising!

>>2187865
>scared shitless. Won't walk within 3 meters of the PC for several weeks. Parents thought there's something wrong with me

>>2187868
at least it's not the Jaguar or 32x's advertising.

>>2187704

Yes.

>>2187875
Was it made by LWM?

>>2187796
A compromise variant (middle) what do you think?
assinine 4chan detects a potential malicious content in the png file. WTF.

>>2187881

No.

>>2187861
http://youtu.be/EQaro-yjBqI?t=31s

Here is a better quality of the Atari one.

>>2187884
Middle is good yeah, I was >>2187825, so don't take into account this one.

GMOTA guy, I got a question for you. I'm in the process of learning how to do shit in Zelda Classic, and I was wondering if you would let me use Sir Blaz for a little project.

Demonsteele sucks! Here are 10 reasons why! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2heY3oEqozA

>>2188078
I was about to laugh but then I saw the account name and realized they were autismically serious.

for your filtering pleasure
/2heY3oEqozA/

>>2188084
Dude, they are trolls. It should be obvious.

ABLUAGGH MY EYES
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>2188113
RIP

>>2188078
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2heY3oEqozA
Bringing back the truth because the clones deleted my post!

Guys

guys

what if you could dual-wield SSGs?

Mayhem mansion is almost done.

>>2187924

Absolutely. Zelda classic was a big part of my adolescence.

Though go for the Link's awakening style of sword attacks. That's a thing in Zelda classic and I like it far better than the normal stabbing

>>2188126
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2heY3oEqozA

>>2188196

Agreed. Angled slashing best slashing.

THAT'S IT, IT'S OVER

AFTER DAYS IT'S FINALLY GONE!

>>2188209

Are you the Zelda classic guy? If so you gotta fill me in on what you're gonna do

>>2188230

Nope, but I experimented a lot with Zelda Classic before coming to Doom.

>HDoom will never have trap imps or bara hell knights
;_;

>>2185781
underrated post
>have a bunch of shit stored up and everything
>get next to the end of the map
>go back and find some secrets just in case
>death to get to the next level
>pistol whips out and only left with your dick again as all that shit you been storing up is now lost again
this isn't a kawaii desu kagome otaco JRPG damnit
THIS IS FUCKING DOOM

>>2188458
>not liking Scythe

>>2185781

>playing with the vanilla pistol
>not playing a mod with a good pistol

>>2188458
>THIS IS FUCKING DOOM

IIRC, Doom 1 forced you to pistol start the first level of each episode.

>>2188493

by earraping you, biatch?

>>2188152
Nice HOM you have there. And misaligned textures.

>>2188502

If you really think the Icon of Sin's death cry is ear-raping, I don't know what to tell you.

>>2188513

IoS death
+ Doomguy's high impact death
+ Barrels

stop acting dumb

>>2188502
In Vanilla/Boom, Romero/barrels is the only sure way to have a death exit and pistol start the next level. I believe Eviltech tried to use a crusher instead of barrels, but this was easy to bypass if you have 200 health/armour.

Megawads like the Scythes and Speed of Doom have death exits because they wanted to have an episodic structure, instead of one continous run thats typical of Doom 2.

>>2188286
>bara

too far dude

>>2187165
Yup. It's almost more of an art project than a gameplay mod. My goal is to make a scratch make every texture in my wad to the point of using none of Doom's art. I want to git gud at texturing and sprites.

>>2188520
>tender widdle ears are raped by a whole three sounds playing at once
>in a game where there is at least one gun firing and far more than two monster sounds playing at all times
>s-stop acting dumb ;_;

Heh.
Don't worry, anon, your secret is safe with me.

>>2188521

Oh you know, I never thought of scyth like that

It actually makes sense now that the last time you it becomes brutal as fuck

How did they nail the map designs of Doom 1 so well on their first try? It has better map design than most of fps games today and it has stood the test of time.

Also, why are Sandy Petererson's maps in Doom 2 so shit. They just feel mediocre

>>2188598
Dude had to make like 2/3s of the maps in less than a year. By himself. Because Romero was too busy fucking around playing death match to actually make the game.

If Romero had taken two weeks and gone over all the texture and detail in Sandy's maps, everything would be a lot better.

I dunno why, but I like adding bots to Cooperative mode and spectating them running around, killing shit, having no clue what to do while shit-talking to each other.

Would be nice if someone much smarter than me could design a bot that can actually make progress and eventually beat the game

>>2188286

don't you mean

BARAns of Hell?

hmm...I wonder if this should be the pose I go with for this guy? At least the size and color is to my satisfaction.

>>2188286
I'm hoping for a futa at least. Maybe the arch-vile, or if the armored imps get different animations.

>>2188286
>>2188804
>hdoom will never have marine girl on demon girl

>>2188576
Well it looks neat so far, at least to my inexpert eye.

>>2188829
There's a female Doom Marine in the Quake multiplayer.

>>2187527
Why does the water appear to move up and down but the texture doesn't actually move up and down at all?

>>2188804
It's already 100% confirmed that it is going to be purely straight sex.

>>2188882
Futafags BTFO

>>2188882
Thank fuck, I'm so sick of all the futa shit and trap shit these days.

Are there any fanmade DOOMwads that play like a hub-based full game? Like Strife?

If you guys are interested in Strife or whatever, check this out.
>>>2186713

Jesus.

>>2188956
yeah those automap colors are terrible. what were they thinking

>>2188956
>using raven colors

>>2188598
I disagree. I find Petersen's map were the most fun out of the Doom 2 maps.

American McGee's are the ones I found mediocre.

>>2188971
I lke raven automap colors more than vanilla. not so hurtful to my eyes

>>2189053
>I find Petersen's map were the most fun out of the Doom 2 maps.
This. I honestly don't understand why Petersen's maps are hated outside of "ugly looking"

Only maps of his that had mediocre gameplay IMO, were Map21, Map24 and Map30.

>>2189089
well i can understand that. i don't like the vanilla colours much either. but brown on top of a slightly different shade of brown, there's not enough contrast to make anything out. that said, it's clearer if i view the image unscaled instead of scaled down to browser width. it was stupid of me not to do so before.

>>2189093
I personally like to use Strife colors.

>>2189105
Me too. It trades a lot of Doom's ugly browns for some really nice blues and teals, but it does kinda lack some of the stereotypical ultra saturated colors that go hand in hand with dos games so well. I'm disputing if I want to stick with my current palette, switch to strife, or just say fuckit to all of it and use true color textures.

>>2188921
RTC-3057
Daedalus
Phocas Island 2
Cheogsh 2
Cold as Hell
Paranoid
Knee Deep in ZDoom

>>2188921
Stronghold: On the Edge of Chaos

>>2188881
Because you didn't donate enough.

If more people would actually donate then Brad Harding could afford the staggering costs to code things better.

>>2189091
Map21 and Map30 were likely rushed in. Especially considering the glaring oversight in Map21 regarding the blue key, and the fact that Map30 is just one big room with lifts.

Map24 had an interesting concept. But it wasnt executed very well. Not enough enemy encounters in the main catwalk areas, the side areas weren't very interesting, and the catwalks themselves overstay their welcome. Red key area was kinda fun, though.

>>2188881
Technically it'd be less realistic if the texture moved with it.

Any word on the Berserk mod?
Or did it die?

Please say it didn't die ;_;

>>2189139
Whats this about a Berserk mod?

>>2189129

>>2189139
Mike posted an update on the autocrossbow in IRC just a few days ago.

>>2189143
Thank goodness.

I'm still sitting here waiting patiently to play as Guts.
And for the next Project MSX update.

>>2189129
>all this mad over Doom Retro

You wish you could use Fraggle's work half as well as Brad Harding does, it takes a lot of skill to use other's code the way he does.

>>2188230
Am here now, was at a friend's place playing some Monster Hunter. What do you want to know? I don't exactly have a plan right now, I might do a little quest first, maybe 2 or 3 dungeons. And yes, I planned on using the Z3-styled slash. Also thank you for letting me use Sir Blaz, this will be glorious I promise.

>>2187464
Bueno

>E3M5

>>2189169
Northwestern teleporter takes you to the room with the berserk/pinkies. Rest of them takes you to the middle structure.

>>2189175
I don't like the doors blocked by teleporters. I feel trapped.

>>2189169
>>2189175
Look at the teleporters too, one of them has lights fading.
That's the one you use to continue on.

You can also step on the teleporter in the pinky room to go back to the big teleporter and use the door that way.
Speedrunners do this for the fastest times

>>2189179
The doors in the room with the berserk/pinkies are one sided. Outside of that, you should be able to avoid the teleporters.

>>2189107
>just say fuckit to all of it and use true color textures.
do this, iirc you said you're redoing everything from scratch anyway so might as well not limit yourself to a palette

>>2189169
E3M5 isn't my favorite, but E3M6 is worse.

>>2189220
i think e3m6 is the best e3

>>2189220
E3M6 is fun. Its just that it also displays Sandy Petersen's ugliest use of textures out of any map he's made.

>>2189212
I don't know what it is, but sprites look terrible if you don't limit your palette. Textures on the other hand, I mean, these wall textures HAVE to be truecolor or they look like complete dog shit. Of course I'll get some complaints from users who still cling to software mode for some reason. I can't help but feel like I'm cheating by using truecolor somehow too.

>>2189220
No way, E3M6 is nice.

>>2189261
Huh? How does that work?

>>2189261
>>2189263

E3M6's UV-Speed WR is still 0:25 so I can only assume he's using ZDoom

Doomworld would've gone crazy at this point if it were true

>>2189263
you can press the switch through the wall

>>2189267
>I can only assume he's using ZDoom
i'll try not to take offence at this!

anyway iirc the record is more like 0:06. it might be 0:25 to reach the normal exit, i could believe that.

>>2189273
>anyway iirc the record is more like 0:06
yeah, 0:06, e3m6s pacifist by Adam Hegyi
http://doomedsda.us/wad947m136.html
you have to scroll down

>>2189273

ooooh this is interesting

http://doomedsda.us/wad947m136.html

what's with E3M6 and E3M6s? Only because of the secret exit?

>>2189279
heh we were looking up the same page at the same time. but anyway yes, there's always been distinct records for normal and secret exits on maps that have both, as far as i am aware.

oh and in this case the speed record is listed under pacifist, the player of the actual "speed" record must have gone out of his way to shoot something i guess.

>>2189236
>>2189234
>>2189228
I don't know what to tell you, I just did not enjoy E3M6, sure, it's ugly, but that's Petersen to you, something about how it plays rubs me the wrong way.

Anyone here remember Bad Toys 3D?

>>2189278
>>2189279
>.LMP files
wat is dis

>>2189323
demo lumps
wad files are made of lumps
i find this nomenclature amusing

>>2189329
>WAD
>Where's All the Data
>LMP
>lump
They did know how to name stuff. How do I play them, though?

>>2189331
doom -playdemo blahblah.lmp

>>2189331
this must be on the wiki somewhere

>>2189335
>cannot play non zdoom demos
What port should I use then?

>>2189337
I didn't search, sorry.

>>2189350
probably prboom+ or choco

this video fucking sucks
leave some nice comments on it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2heY3oEqozA

>>2189350
>>2189354

PRBoom+ is usually the demo engine of choice. ZDoom demos break every single release, I don't know why they just haven't gotten rid of the function yet.

>>2189525
if you record a demo on a given version of zdoom you need to keep that version to play it back. you already have to keep around the same version of a map on which a demo was recorded; keeping around the engine is merely an extension of what you must do already.

>>2189525

ZDoom demos work as proof for bugs reporting for each version

Also the only way ZDoom demos would be accepted (even if at all) in DSDA would be if they're in stable ZDoom versions.

But yeah, demo recording in PrBoom+ is THE way to go even for non-competitive purposes

>>2189530

Yeah, but for passing demos around for the sake of showcasing, it's really a giant pain in the ass to try and coordinate exactly what engine/revision people should use.
A lot of people tend to give feedback on maps in the form of demos, showing how they played and where they stumbled--this is pretty easy to do in vanilla or Boom maps, but for ZDoom/GZDoom-specific maps, this is much more complicated than it needs to be.

>>2189538
well i can't disagree with that. it's not broken but it's terribly inconvenient especially in the stark contrast of other engines that do remain demo compatible.

>>2189538
yeah but
why would you ever map specifically for zdoom
zdoom is for gameplay mods
if you want to map you'll want to do a more accessible engine like boom

>>2189552
>why would you ever map specifically for zdoom
>zdoom is for gameplay mods

There are a lot of ZDoom specific features for maps, stuff like 3D floors and scripts.

>>2189552
ZDoom and GZDoom have support for room-over-room architecture. That said, I asked a couple of threads ago if there were any wads that made good use of this functionality but got zero replies.

icarus map12 is quite pretty, but very poorly balanced, as in, starts off frustratingly luck-based - if there's a guaranteed successful way to get past the barrels i'd like to hear it - but becomes almost trivial, with great swathes of plasma, later on.

have we ever collaborated much with /k/? I've heard of sourcing some sprite content from them, and im looking through the archives to see what sorts of FPV pics there are.

wanted to let /doom/ know theres a thread here:
>>>24418332
does anyone have a sense of how to better get cool spriteable pics from actual gun owners? even airsoft would work well for our purposes.

>>24418332

whoops bad link

>>2189578
I think you meant to do this
>>>/k/24418332

i find the more advanced a map is, the more annoying it is. the advanced features get in the way. although i don't mind some light, subtle boom feature usage that fits in with what the original game could do already, i note that nearly all my favourite maps are at most limit-breaking.

>>2189569
Maps by Shadowman, like Cheogsh series use lots of ZDoom-specific functions, room-over-room included.
You should also look for ZDoom-specific maps on ZDoom forums. Obvious, right?

Can I somehow play with the extra monsters spawns from coop in single player?
I need to know.

>>2189597
agreed. doom's gameplay just isn't designed around anything much more involved than boom scripting. true-3D architecture is nice but not honestly is not a killer feature that makes things particularly more fun or interesting.

>>2189608
I've only been playing Doom for about a year, so I'm still not 100% initiated into the various mappers and forums. Thanks for the pointers though.

>>2189149

Z3? The sword attack in ALttP covered a half circle, whereas the sword attack in LA covered only a quarter of a circle around Link.

I'm ashamed of myself that I remember all of these dumb nuances

>>2189660
In Zelda Classic it's called Z3-style, but it use the GB/C Zeldas slash.

>>2187115
What a load of bull, I own a far worse tablet and I already tried playing doom with it.
Guess what, it works just fine, just chage the commands a little and there you go for tactile fun with doomguy+Hdoom.

>>2189235

spritenoobsaibot, i love your work! your female figures remind me verymuch of Joanna Dark. Do you ever post any sprite sheets of your female sprites/NPCs?

>>2188332
does that room look like a giant cunt on the automap?

>>2188493
shiiieeet. doom forces you to pistol start every time you die. and yes, doom 1 requires pistol start on episode change.

jump off that zdoom shit for a minnit and play some chocolate.

this strafe thing Romero tweeted about looks pretty fun


i'd help fund it if i had a proof it'd be DRM-free and if kickstarter could handle paypal

>>2189935
There was a a long thread on /v/ about Strafe today. Essentially half-interest, half crying about viral marketing and Kickstarter scams.

Their homepage made me kek
http://www.strafe1996.com/about.html