/vr/ - Retro Games

>>2169159
>Let alone for the SNES, there come 50 games into my mind which are better than Mario.
List these out, and we can more accurately diagnose why you are stupid, wrong, and gay.

>>2169169
Heh. Like his mind is even big enough to remember 50 games.

>>2169169
I am sure even you could name 50 games without being befuddled in your shitty opinion, you faglord.

You're funny.

>>2169178

your funny looking

>>2169190
>your

>>2169159

Surprise OP, bait doesn't fly on /vr/ back to /v/ with you.

>>2169159
I love this game but I found finishing it 100% really wasn't worth it

>>2169238
are you kidding? /vr/ is by far the easiest board to b8 I have ever seen. Even the MOST OBVIOUS b8 will be picked up and chewed to death until mods finally put the posters out of their misery and delete the thread

>>2169442
/vr/ has legendary gullibility. You'd think the board for the Sarcasm Generation would be the hardest to troll.

>>2169159
What "Mario games" are you talking about? They're all very different, and a lot of them are rated exactly as they deserve.

>>2169451
>not reading the thread

>>2169454
Why would I? I'm talking to the OP. And the thread looks like a shitty one.

>>2169460
It's only shitting because they keep snapping at OP's bait.

>>2169159
I agree 100% . Only good mario games are lost levels and 64. Everything else is casual as fuark

>>2169469
>bait
You're not on /v/, so you might as well quit flailing around your /v/ lexicon.

the rpg part of op's post is where its obvious bait. cmon bro.

>>2169445
Two reasons:
1) We're the most mature board on 4chan, so a lot of us seem to feel the need to call out immaturity as some sort of "pruning"

2) We seem to be the friendliest and most brotherly due to our smaller numbers, so we're more quick to defend each other from outside boards.

I myself just hit the report button on every piece of obvious bait and shitposting.

>>2169159
>characters seem to be designed awkwardly in both appearance and characteristics
What does this mean?

>logic errors (a princess named after frog shit is befriended or even in love with a fucking plumber).
It's called "fiction." And is it even said anywhere that Peach is in love with Mario or vice versa? I'm not up to speed on Mario lore.

>no need for brains at all to solve levels/puzzles
Not all games revolve around puzzles or should revolve around puzzles.

>run...jump...bump...hurrdurr...jump....jump...run lol XDXDXD merio is keeeewl:D
Yes, you run and jump. Because it's a platformer. Do you also complain that Doom involves a lot of shooting?

>if it hadn't been for the popularity (advertising and brainwash) of that brand 'mario' nobody would have ever played any game of the series on non-nostalgic platforms (for me from 16 bit afterwards)
Or maybe Mario remains popular because people liked the games and it became a popular series.

>>2169159
I still like SMB3 and super Mario world, but SMB, SMB2 and Mario 64 are all fucking over rated trash.

Mario 1 was good at the time, but the controls are just "meh", on top of a lot of design limitations (no diagonal scrolling, back tracking or world map as a few examples). Its just a relic that's fun occasionally for nostalgia's sake alone.

SMB2 was always kind of shit, and I'll admit that it has gotten somewhat less so over time, but it's still shit. There's just no helping it.

Mario 64 was about as innovative as every Tomb Raider Rip off released at the time (OMG! FULL 3D!!! WE SO GREAT! IT'S AMAZAZINGERU!!!) The problem being that it tries to be a platformer, but the controls weren't precise enough for that, so it was a "fetch quest" adventure game instead. And what platforming segments there are just suck ass because of said controls.
Crash Bandicoot and even things like Tomb Raider did everything Mario 64 was shooting for better, because they were specialized and had actual time and thought put into their development. The ONLY reason Mario 64 has remained popular till now is because Mario Sunshine sucked ass, the DS version of 64 was actually decent and morons STILL riding Nintendo's cawk over the 90's console wars. If none of that happened, Mario 64 would be seen as the rusty, shitty relic that it is.

>>2169159
eh. mario games will always be the greatest platformer series ever m80. nothing else comes close. you may have one or two games from another game series that is decent, but none of them have anywhere near mario's consistency of greatness.

mario is the GOAT, and all the off-shoots (smash bros, kart, etc) are all mad fun as well.

:D

>>2169631
>Mario 64 would be seen as the rusty, shitty relic that it is.

Negro, your opinion is the most retarded thing I've read all day

>Mario 1 was good at the time, but the controls are just "meh

negro you are retarded

>>2169650
can second
that is one retarded negro

>>2169631
>SMB2 was always kind of shit
u wot

>>2169631
> Mario 64
> Tomb Raider rip-off

Except that Mario 64 was out several months before Tomb Raider. It also plays nothing like it because it actually has good controls and a better camera.

>>2169159

Okay, biting the bait here.

I respect your opinion, but I'd like to hear more about it.

What elements of design do you consider awkward? I feel they tie together pretty well. Part of it comes from hardware limitations (difficulty drawing hair led to cap, difficulty drawing mouth led to mustache, and difficulty telling limbs apart from torso led to overalls), but they made use of them well. Early Mario has a pretty simple, appealing design, with bright primary colors, lots of circles, and not too much clutter, while staying pretty distinctive. Granted, some of the derivative characters have unimaginative designs (looking at Waluigi), but I wouldn't call them awkward; they tie in together well.

What do you mean by awkward characteristics? Peach and Waluigi have pretty throwaway personalities, but the others are good enough. Mario's cheerful, flexible, and easy to project oneself onto; Luigi's a loveable coward who has moments of bravery; their brotherhood alternates between envy, rivalry, admiration and close friendship; Bowser's mean, but he's honorable, boisterous, and fun to watch; Yoshi's cheerful and loyal like a pet; Wario's a greedy, lazy jerk who isn't above doing nice things if it benefits him. You have traditional hero, sidekick, pet, damsel, villain, anti-hero roles there. Complex? No. Awkward? I don't see how.

And aren't there a thousand movies and stories about inter-class friendships? The working class and royalty sharing unlikely, friendly bonds? Though it's inventive to interpret "Toadstool" as "toad's stool sample" rather than "Type of mushroom".

Nope, no brains needed. You'll need a bit of skill and creativity to find hidden levels and shit, but the game is designed to be linear. It was supposed to be a more actiony counterpart to Zelda when it was first launched.

speak... talk...grind... buy item... lol XDXD RPGs are kewl.

Though I agree that Super Mario RPG is overrated. I'm a Paper Mario fan. It has great writing and atmosphere.

Except for labelling my post as a bait or interpretting more in my post as I said, just answer my question: what is so great about the mario series; what does mario have that other games of the genre in question don't? are these games really so good in comparison as most people praise them?

I just stated some points why I didn't like Mario. Not every opinion you are not conforming with is bait; I am just asking in a sober way.

>>2169671

hating on smb2 is the cool thing to do on the internet. it's a great platformer and one of my personal favs.

>>2169819
BUT IT'S NOT THE /REAL/ SMB2 I BET YOU DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT

>>2169810
It wouldn't be of any use to explain it to you because you seem to have a problem with it on the most basic levels. Also, you presented your opinion such a way as to insult the people who do like the games or any kind of sidescrolling platformer for that matter.

>>2169840

lol

it was called doki doki panic first and that makes it bad!

>>2169159
>>Am I the only one who thinks that Mario games are totally overrated?

It's a top 3 series/game in terms of popularity and not top 3 in terms of quality, ergo it's overrated. There, gold star, faggot.

The question for anyone not shitposting wouldn't be whether or not it's overrated (especially as a whole, since it's a huge mess of different genres) but what specific games are overrated, why, and what specific points do they have against them that other games have since improved or had previously bested them at. And rather than a blanket statement about 3d platformers being shit (and they usually are, but then everyone knows that), you were given a chance to provide actual examples and engage in a conversation that, unlike on /v/, isn't immediately trampled by the immutable force of fanboyism. And yet you haven't.

So 2/10, had me reply.

Stop replying and /vr/ will be a better place.

>>2169159
>These games are not the worst at all, yet they weren't really the greatest on any platform of any generation. Let alone for the SNES, there come 50 games into my mind which are better than Mario. Not even the best Jump'n'Run.
This part I agree with. I would say Mega Man ruled the NES, DKC was king of the SNES, and Banjo was best for the N64. That's not even bringing up Crash and Sonic, which also had way more charm and personality. The only Mario game that really keeps me coming back is Land 2.

Current Mario (and Nintendo in general) is also a shell of its former self in my opinion, but that's for another thread.

>>2169853
Honestly I prefer Mario over Megaman. But I think that is due to growing up with and being far better at the former.

>>2169159
>run...jump...bump...hurrdurr...jump....jump...run lol XDXDXD merio is keeeewl:D
>run...shoot...run...hurrdurr...shoot....shoot...run lol XDXDXD doom is keeeewl:D
>attack...heal...use item...hurrdurr...attack....heal...use item lol XDXDXD final fantasy is keeeewl:D
>insert any game in existence here, break it down into basic gameplay actions and add some emoticons to make it into a straw man
You have a problem with basic platformer gameplay? Then Mario is certainly not for you, but don't run around saying it's overrated. I don't particularly like first-person action, but I don't run around screaming about how Doom is overrated just because I personally dislike the type of gameplay.

The rest of your "arguments" are non-points, especially poking fun at characters' names like a fucking five year-old.

Shut up leave ninty alone faggot

I agree that SMRPG is sort of lame.

>the more XD and :D smileys I add the better my argument is
I want OP to lea/v/e

>>2169894
It's one of those things where you have to keep in mind when it was made.
It was made to be an intro to the genre for the west.

If you think the series is brainlessly easy, you haven't beaten a single game.

Beat SMB1 or 100% World, then come back.

>>2169617
>friendliest, most brotherly

You don't visit a lot of other boards then.

>>2169159
play mario64
controls are still very responsive, levels are big and stuffed with puzzles but its very difficult at times for my causual taste
cant see why overratted because i cant see anyone playing it for the story

>>2169845
but doki doki panic is the shiz

pic related, the thread

>>2169917

I agree, smb1 world 8 and SMW special zone really turn up the heat.

>>2169442
>>2169445

Most bait threads don't break 100 replies, this one is barely going to break 50.

Nice try, anons.

>>2169790
>Super Mario RPG is overrated. I'm a Paper Mario fan. It has great writing and atmosphere

My brother

>>2169631
>Mario sunshine sucked ass
U said wot

>>2169853
DKC is shit.
>inb4 b4
Floaty-ass hit boxes, loose fucking controls, the music isn't as good as plenty of other SNES games, and the gameplay was nothing special at all besides all that.

>>2170354
> the music isn't as good as plenty of other SNES games

Awful taste.

>>2170362
>counters one minor point with shit banter
>thinks this means he's right
You've still done literally nothing to prove DKC isn't total shit.

>>2169617
>We're the most mature board on 4chan

>>2170365
Why would I go through that kind of effort? Clearly you have a strong opinion about the game that isn't going to change no matter what anyone says.

I don't even particularly care about the other reasons you don't like the game. I just think you have terrible taste for not liking DKC's music.

>>2170380
But it's shit bro

>>2170386
I disagree and will venture to say that it's one of the best compositions for a SNES game.

>>2170392
Ok, I'm being difficult. It's not really that bad. But I wouldn't say one of the best either. So I guess there's that.

>>2169617
>friendliest and most brotherly

I'm feeling something within the depths of my heart.

>>2169928
what are the other brotherly boards? /out/? from what i've seen, they're total bros.

>>2170386
you're brain is shit if you don't enjoy DKC's music. try suicide

OP here

>what is so great about Mario?

my only question.

I don't even read the other shit in this thread, because you faggots are biased as fuck.

>Try to phrase a sober answer to this question that has remained unanswered and has had my theory acknowlegded that fans of mario are not even able to stay objective even when their most beloved game is criticised.
>criticised
>only '5 year olds', according to a previous poster, feel offended like you faggots, when something is being criticised they love most.
>I didn't change my view so far, because your arguments are shit; the same kerfuffle you hear over and over again....

>>2170923

>I don't even read the other shit in this thread, because you faggots are biased as fuck.

So you haven't read the thread because you know they're biased, without having actually read the comments to determine they're biased? I'll tell ya who sounds a little biased.

>>2170927
i read a few post, but not the thread.

>>2170923
why should we change your opinion? you said some historically inaccurate bullshit, we debunked that. whether you like or dislike mario is up to you and we ain't changing that.

>>2170923
>what is so great about Mario?

Although Mario games sometimes add new elements to the gameplay, they are ultimately simple run-and-jump romps (talking about mainline titles, not spinoffs of a different genre, of course). The games typically utilize the simple setup by offering increasingly complicated stages to navigate and challenges to meet. The fun and the appeal is that although you're ultimately limited in what you can do and what can happen, those limitations are increasingly pushed to their limits.

>>2170934
why should you talk pointless shit in my thread, when you can't even answer my simple question?

>>2170929
And thus, my point stands.

>>2170935
cheers.

answers like these were what i liked to here.

thanks, bro!

>>2170938
your posts are shit and your arguments invalid.

>>2170942
Sober and objective!

>>2170945
Yes

>>2170937
so far only you have been talking pointless shit itt idk bro

>>2170941
Now list 50 games that you think are better than the original Mario.

>>2170956
>all rpgs
>all strategy games
>battletoads

>>2170950
so far i've elaborated my opinion as much as you should understand what I'd like to say, as long as you're intelligent enough to even comprehend what I was saying.

>>2169790
Well put man.

>>2169943
World 8 I can see, but Super Mario World is insanely forgiving with blue Yoshis and Top Secret Area abuse. I'm not even sure why everyone complained about Tubular; it's strict, yeah, but not all that hard, and there's, what, seven dragon coins in that map? Grabbing five of them shouldn't be a challenge.

also fuck recaptcha

>>2170923

Mario games are sort of a "bare minimum" of what makes a great game-Or rather, a solidly designed one.
The game is easy to get into, but doesn't baby you as the levels progress. There are optional secret routes like in SMW, where more experienced players can go if they want a challenge. Usually these paths are unlocked by using a Power-up in an unorthodox way.

Throughout Mario's evolution, 2d and 3d, everything feels how it's supposed to. Mario 64 plays a lot smoother than 3d platformers before it, and set an example for the genre. Super Mario Bros for NES was also one of the most streamlined games at the time, especially compared to games like Pac-Land. Point is, each Mario title is made sure to be well-designed and feel good to play, while also being very simple.

That's why kids and (some) adults like Mario, it's a family game accessible to most people..

>>2170996
-Blue Yoshis and free capes aren't going to let you coast through Special World
-if you don't like Blue Yoshis and free capes, you don't have to use them
-SMW was made a long time ago, when internet tough guys weren't frothing for games that were tough-as-nails from start to finish so you they can boast online about how much they're true gamers. Even now, Mario games are never intended to be super intense that only the supremely skilled dare approach. It's like expecting complex adult situations that challenge your perception of reality in a Winnie the Pooh movie.

>>2170963
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9vJbdIUsdc

>>2169159
I played the New Super Mario Bros for Wii U in multiplayer with my cousin this week and it was so fun because we just had a good time playing it. I never laugh that much when I play any other game. It may trigger an hidden childish aspect which can be uncool. But actually playing for joy is a category of videogaming.

>>2169159
>characters seem to be designed awkwardly in both appearance and characteristics
From 64 onward I'll agree, but in the 2D era they all looked great.
Bowser's face wasn't as lumpy, and he looked more like a turtle
Mario, Luigi, and Peach were shorter, they looked much cuter
Rare's DK design is complete fucking shit compared to EAD's used in DK '94 and G&WG

And Yoshi, man. Fucking Yoshi was great before his own series fucked him to death and never stopped.
Yoshi was great in Super Mario World. His big huggable design, his laid-back attitude, his simple friendly intelligence, his neat dinosaur sounds as his primary voice, his ability to own a house and speak English.

Then Yoshi's Island came out and ruined him up a bit. He's cutesy now, was made dramatically smaller, he's got creepy human arms frog hands, he's not intelligent, his island is re-imagined by a little kid, and his "egg" thing was brought back in a really strange and gross way. He's more of a pet now than a friend.

Yoshi's Story came out and took that a bit further. He's even cutesier, his island is even more dumbed down, his proportions are more fucked, his chin/skull are totally gone, just an ugly ball nose and big creepy eyes. And that fucking horrible voice. This would be for forgibable, since they're babies in that game, but all that shit stuck to adult Yoshi.

From a laid-back sentient dino friend steed to an ugly little babbling baby froggy animal who shits 500 eggs a day. I've never seen a video game character raped harder than Yoshi. Not even Sonic, Bomber Man, or Pac-Man.

>>2172497
>his island is re-imagined by a little kid
You can't hold the art direction of an entire game against an individual character in that game.

>He's more of a pet now than a friend.
Today? Sure. In Yoshi's Island? I don't feel it.

Generally agree with the rest, though.

>>2172497
>Mario, Luigi, and Peach were shorter, they looked much cuter

I think that's just a side-effect of everything going fully three dimensional. Having those proportions on a 3D model would probably look weird.

And, speaking on an individual basis, the decision to make Luigi taller was a good one and his character really improved with post-64 titles like Luigi's Mansion and the Mario & Luigi series. That's just my opinion though.

> I've never seen a video game character raped harder than Yoshi. Not even Sonic

Whoa, let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

>>2169159
List better platformers, preferably 50 of them.

>>2172568
Luigi's been taller since SMB2, it's not a recent change.

>>2172584
I didn't really mean to imply that it was, but I didn't word the sentence well at all.

>>2172534
Nah, I don't just mean the art style. Yoshi's Island's art style is actually really good.

I mean that Yoshi's Island was more like his property in Super Mario World. He's got a house, he's got a mail box (implying the island is developed enough for a postal system) he's got signs all about. There are bridges and Ladders, switch boxes and stuff, and this all appears to be the work of the Yoshis, since the Koopas have only very recently invaded. In Yoshi's Island, he just lives in a jungle like a dumb wild animal.

But even then he wasn't as lobotomized as he was in Yoshi's Story and beyond
I'd argue that his last good appearance was in Super Mario 64.

>>2172568
It'd be hard to make the squat cute little designs look good with low-poly, low-res hardware of the past. But today? It would work just fine. Just look at the mini forms in 3D World, and the smallness way more exaggerated than the older 2D designs in that.
Not that I'm complaining, the designs look fine as they are, I simply prefer the older ones.

>>2172568
Paper Luigi and Luigi in Dark Moon are the best.

It's best not to over-exaggerate his shyness and cowardice, like your examples do.

>>2172714
I think you might be reading a little too much into Yoshi society, but one could rationalize that the structures and systems you refer to were developed between the events of YI and SMW (but then, that would be pretending there's canon, rhyme, or reason to Mario stories). Koopas are clearly shown to exist throughout Yoshi's Island in YI, too.

You also claim "he just lives in a jungle like a dumb wild animal." You seem to have missed that Yoshi's (as in more than one) are depicted as social creatures who live and cooperate in large group--as exemplified by every stage ending by one Yoshi passing Mario off to another. There is no individual Yoshi ("he"), there's a huge society of them.

>>2172790
>I think you might be reading a little too much into Yoshi society

i'm a lo/lit/a at heart and this is my favorite phrase of the week

>>2172865
I don't think you realize just how deep the Yoshi lore goes.

Hello, fellow /lit/izen. These two boards are the only ones I still browse on 4chan.

>>2172790
>Yoshis are depicted as social creatures who live and cooperate in large group
Yeah, a lot like Vampire bats, which are also dumb wild animals. Doesn't change the fact that his character was lobotomized.

>There is no individual Yoshi ("he"), there's a huge society of them.
You seem confused. There's Yoshi (the one who keeps getting trapped in eggs in SMW, the dude you play as in Spinoffs, on the roof in SM64) and there are the Yoshis (rainbow froggies from YI, YS, and MK8)
And changes made to "the Yoshi's" directly impact Yoshi, obviously, so I don't know why you bring this up.

>>2172929
How? Because you don't see his mailbox? He's a cartoon dinosaur, by the way. I don't think he's meant to be perceived as either a dumb animal or a remarkably civilized creature, but a funny animal character just like every other non-human Mario character.

I brought up the individual because you referred to him as if he was the one you play as in YI. You're right about the species/individual thing, but you were speaking as if YI starred the individual.

You do seem confused about SMW being the same Yoshi trapped again and again in eggs. All Yoshi dialogue refers to him rescuing his friends.

>>2170963
>all apples are better than this orange

>>2172945
>How? Because you don't see his mailbox? He's a cartoon dinosaur, by the way. I don't think he's meant to be perceived as either a dumb animal or a remarkably civilized creature, but a funny animal character just like every other non-human Mario character.
Originally he was smart enough to have a house and know how to speak/write, and now he's not even close to that, is all I'm saying in regards to his intelligence. Him being a cartoon dinosaur is irrelevant, and most the other prominent cartoon animals, like the koopas and such, appear to be as smart if not smarter than Yoshi was initially. Why are you so against discussing silly little things like Mario lore? Why do you continue to do so?

>You do seem confused about SMW being the same Yoshi trapped again and again in eggs. All Yoshi dialogue refers to him rescuing his friends.
His friends are the ones in the golden spotted eggs, dummy. The ones you rescue from the towers.

>run...jump...bump...hurrdurr...jump....jump...run lol XDXDXD merio is keeeewl:D
Go back to /v/ if you want to talk like a subhuman

>>2169159
God dammit, I'm tired of unpopular opinion threads. I assume it's bait, but people actually like to be contrarians so it's hard to tell sometimes.

I personally never liked the post 64 3D models for the Mario characters. They look like giant toddlers.

>>2172721
Luigi is more just plain weird than shy in the Mario & Luigi series.

>>2173240
Totally agree I can't put my finger on it but they just look really weird ,never heard anyone else mention it.

The only remarkable mario game ever made was Super Mario World which is easily the best platformer on the system and one of the top 10 best platformers ever.

The other mario platformer games were good games, not as great as say contra, ninja gaiden, or ghosts n goblins but good games non the less.

Mario involved in other game genres has been mostly mediocre

>>2172497
>when u bust a nut but she keep sucking

>>2173276
No denying they play his cowardice way up, though. He gets scared at pretty much everything, and there's that agonizing chapter where you have to make him hobble around, scared and helpless.

>>2170340
Sunshine is the best Mario game.
Prove me wrong.

>>2173024
>he was smart enough to have a house and know how to speak/write, and now he's not even close to that

You don't often see Mario's home in the games. Does that mean that in those games, Mario's not smart enough to have a house? Or maybe you just don't see it on-screen because it's irrelevant.

>know how to speak/write
I wonder who wrote all those text boxes about how to do Yoshi-specific techniques scattered throughout YI? Must've been the Koopas, wanting their fight with the Yoshis to be sporting.

Of course, Mario never speaks in SMW. I guess they lobotomized him.

Of course, Yoshi is intelligent enough to drive motor vehicles and play sports by the rules, but you're right, he's just a dumb animal. They should've modeled his cart after a mailbox to pacify you.

>Why are you so against discussing silly little things like Mario lore?
Because it's clear the creators never intended to have a narrative that connected one story to the next, and thus inconsistencies aren't really telling. If you want to read too much into them, they're often contradicted by other elements of the "lore," and thus, in your quest to rationalize a paper-thin plot from a basic video game, you're left with even more nonsense than you started with.

If you're having fun disseminating Yoshi lore (or rather, getting upset by it because it's not consistent).

>>2173284
Super Mario Bros. 3

>>2173960

I sort of agree with you, but god damn this is nofunallowed: the post. Also dat passive aggressiveness.

>>2173967
>Disagreeing with someone and articulating why is nofunallowed

If people have fun by way of overly scrutinizing shallow material, more power to them--I can't stop them. But when they choose to post it on a social website, there's no reasonable expectation that the only responses they'll get are those that agree. Considering where we are, I think my "nofunallowed aggressiveness" is quite benign compared to what we normally see.

>>2173975

No need to get defensive bro, your post sounded passive-aggressive as fuck and I just wanted to comment on it, it actually made me laugh a bit so no big problem.
I think you're no better than him though, in the snese that you made a long post about something that supposedly you don't care about.

>>2173987
I never said I didn't care about it. I was responding more to his line of reasoning than the subject matter itself.

>>2169850
>dark souls poster
god dammit

>getting into an all out debate over whether a cartoon dinosaur is sentient or not

>>2170935
I honestly wish they'd release more games with just the super mushroom and fire flower.

>>2174145
I'd like to see the Cape return, but I'd sooner take Mushroom and Flower Only over Penguin Suit and Squirrel Suit and Moon Suit and Lightning Suit and Contrivedpowerup Suit.

>>2173752
>Prove me wrong

>>2169159
alls I can say is the names of OP's pic's characters have more influence than the characters themselves.

>Mario:douchebag every person i've ever met with that name was an insufferable shit monger
>Luigi: pic related
>Bowser:Bulky computer towers circa late 90's
>Peach:puffy vulvas
>Toad: socially inept moron
>Yoshi:Yoshi

>>2173960
Mario speaks English in every game that he appears in since Mario Bros, be it in manuals, ads, implied in-game or just a few words. He was never retconned from living in a house to just living like a wild animal in the woods, so that entire argument is shit. His personality and mental state is inconsistent as fuck since Mario has no real lore, but he's always depicted as a civilized human.

The boxes are obviously alive in YI, they tell you the player what to do. They have moving mouths nigga.

>Of course, Yoshi is intelligent enough to drive motor vehicles and play sports by the rules, but you're right, he's just a dumb animal.
He's still a goofy cartoon character in a goofy cartoon world, obviously. Anyone's going to be able to do this shit no matter how much their character devolves. Donkey Kong can do that shit and he's always just been a big dumb ape.
>They should've modeled his cart after a mailbox to pacify you.
You're really hung up on that, it was just a minor example to show how Yoshi has changed over the years.

I'm not rationalizing shit, I just don't like Yoshi going from a big dinosaur froggy to an annoying ugly retarded frog, and I gave a quick jesting analysis to explain my opinion, I'm sorry I insulted your fetish fuel or whatever.

You're looking way too far into what I have to say, calm down.

>>2173990
So you responded to your own assumptions of something you half-understand.

>>2170245
You were saying? :^)

>>2174881
>Mario speaks English in every game that he appears in since Mario Bros, be it in manuals, ads, implied in-game or just a few words.
>implied

Okay, if Mario can be "implied" to speak, then so can any other character, including Yoshi.

>His personality and mental state is inconsistent as fuck since Mario has no real lore
Then why does it upset you that another character is treated exactly the same way?

>Donkey Kong can do that shit and he's always just been a big dumb ape.
Donkey Kong has been living in a furnished home since the 90's. He even wears a tie. Doesn't it make you so mad that he's suddenly gone from big dumb animal to sentient civilized creature?

>it was just a minor example
So minor, and yet you submit it as proof positive as the signifier of a major change, in a world where similar changes go unnoticed.

>You're really hung up on that
You're really hung up on overstating a single character's changes in a franchise marked by every character going through such changes and inconsistencies, but of course...

>You're looking way too far into what I have to say, calm down.
"I'm not overanalyzing, you are!"

I'm sure you totally weren't the person who painted me as passive aggressive, but with shit like 'this must be your fetish fuel' and 'calm down,' you're pretty much in the same boat.'

>>2175370
>Donkey Kong has been living in a furnished home since the 90's. He even wears a tie. Doesn't it make you so mad that he's suddenly gone from big dumb animal to sentient civilized creature?
technically that's his nephew youre playing as in country

>>2175412
Cranky Kong also lives in a house, and wears even more clothing. He also speaks at great length and entered the social construct of marriage.

>nephew
Grandson. Or son, depending on the game. The creators don't care. Why should we?

>>2175417
i was actually thinking of that word

>>2174881
In games that have actual lore like SMRPG, Paper Mario or Mario and Luigi Mario talks in hand gestures, nodding, pantomime and gibberish like "woohoo adotable datoe" while everyone else speaks clear English. That means either Mario is literally retarded, or it's a stylistic choice. Your pick.

But your posts are really just "retro was better, amirite guise?" circlejerk bait, Yoshi's design barely changed at all and he's consistently shown to have intelligent reasoning but you hold on to inconsequential facts like "they don't show his house in the latter games which means he's now a retarded ugly frog" just so that everyone could see how retro you are

>>2175438
I think that originated from the original Super Mario RPG where I imagine that his silence and the occasional ridiculous pantomime acts were in part meant as a parody of silent RPG protagonists.

Go back to /v/

>>2169631
Wait, there are people that don't like SMB2? Can you more in-depth explain your reasons for distaste? I know it isn't technically Mario, but I don't hold that against it.

Unless you mean Lost Levels, in which case I don't care for it much either.

I agree with you, op.

>>2176060
It's awful..floaty rubbish, graphics are poor, settings fairly unimaginative and the constant ostro fights jar. It's.not fun. I can hear that noise when.you finish a level too. Halp

Only good one in my opinion

>>2176090
You need to play Paper Mario n64. The initial area is a bit boring but it gets better the farther in you get.

>>2176094
thanks for the tip, I didnt know that game even existed, the new sticker star was a big dissapointment for me

I re-played Super Mario 64 recently. It hasn't held up a whole lot, but I remember being nostalgically interested in it for two reasons:

1. The star statue in the garden says "L IS REAL 2041" (and not "Eternal Star", you're wrong) so Luigi is definitely in the game somewhere, hackers just haven't found him yet.

2. The Big Boo's Haunt stage occasionally plays a Boo's laughter. Not their usual laughter when a Boo is on-screen, it's some rare and random event. I've heard this from people and I think it might have happened to me once, so maybe this isn't so crazy.

>>2169159
You were doing okay until you went full shitpost at the end. Check out >>>/v/ they are more geared toward people of your intelligence

>>2176089
Graphics are poor? In what way? They are on-par with SMB3.

>>2176089

>floaty

Only if you play Peach and Luigi.
Anyway, SMB2 is the only Mario mainline game I haven't finished.
I'm at world 5 on All-Stars, maybe this time I can get it done before the battery dies again.

It's true the locations are repetitive (not unimaginative, I think they're very original and kind of bizarre, also has some nice stuff like the whales in the ice stage, etc), but SMB1/Lost Levels is also the same kind of levels over and over. it wasn't until SMB3 that each world had strong different themes from each other.

>>2176103
The gameplay holds up beautifully (especially if you have an N64 controller, that joystick can't easily be well replicated with modern joysticks), but the graphics really don't hold up that well.

>>2175370
Okay, if Mario can be "implied" to speak, then so can any other character, including Yoshi
Makes no fucking sense. When do other characters react to Yoshi as if he's speaking?

>Then why does it upset you that another character is treated exactly the same way?
Blatant changes are different than inconsistencies and I'm not upset.

>Donkey Kong has been living in a furnished home since the 90's. He even wears a tie. Doesn't it make you so mad that he's suddenly gone from big dumb animal to sentient civilized creature?
"If don't like what Iike you're mad!"
I already said Rare's redesigns are shit, friend. Same goes for the new settings and such. But that music, man. So good.

>So minor, and yet you submit it as proof positive as the signifier of a major change, in a world where similar changes go unnoticed.
So are you disagreeing that Yoshi has changed? Are you saying I'm wrong, and/or that I'm wrong for liking the direction his character took? I don't even know what the point of your argument is.

>"I'm not overanalyzing, you are!"
Yes, thank you for repeating me.

>I'm sure you totally weren't the person who painted me as passive aggressive
You're right, it wasn't me. >>2174884 was me, though.

'calm down,'
You're arguing over nothing and you've been insulting me over nothing all this time, so it's justified. It's neither passive nor aggressive, either.

I'm willing to agree to disagree if you are, I don't care if you like newer Yoshi more than the older one.

>>2176651
wrong for not liking the direction his character took*

>>2170245
thats because the mods delete them

>>2176651
I'm guessing the ability to understand speech won't count, or else Yoshi's Island itself would qualify. And of course, the Yoshis' demonstrated ability to communicate with each other doesn't count since it's probably just dumb animal grunts.

So off the top of my head, there's Mario 64, Mario RPG, Galaxy 2. Oh, my mistake, he isn't implied to speak--he directly speaks, something more than Mario does. RPG even establishes that Yoshi is bilingual.

Yoshi has undeniably changed physically, and I don't like those changes (I don't like its "new" voice either, but I don't like any Mario character's voice). But I've never been convinced that the Yoshi species were especially intelligent or especially dumb creatures and so I'm not convinced their portrayal has significantly changed one way or the other. So, beyond the physical redesign, I don't mind the "newer Yoshi" because I don't really see a distinction between it and "older Yoshi".

>>2172497
"I'm not overanalyzing, you are!"
Okay Jack

>>2177235
Yep, definitely translated animal grunts in stuff like the M&L series, and SMW, SMRPG and SM64 were all before Yoshi's Story, which I think is the big negative influence on the character (YI changed a few minor things about the setting and his presence, but that's nothing compared to what YS did to him) So I'm glad we can agree on something. There's a pretty clear distinction in design, presence, and vocals, man.
analyzing =/= over-analyzing, double-Jack

still waiting for op to list 50 games

>>2177268
And Galaxy 2 was well after Yoshi's Story. It's almost like it's inconsistent!

Design? Yes
Vocals? Yes
Presence? I don't buy it

If my analysis of your analysis is "over analysis," then fine, I'm over analyzing, you win. Though I'm pretty sure "mailbox means civilized creature" trumps "that's bullshit" when it comes to exemplifying over analysis.

>>2169159
I mostly agree with the OP on this. Only SM64 I would consider outstanding. Super Mario World was pretty good but it had flaws. Pretty much the same with SMB3. However, Sonic is worse and more overrated than the Mario games. Honestly OP, even if you are just a troll or bullshitting, you are doing us a service by disrupting /vr/ enough to prevent it from becoming a Sega/Nintendo circlejerk.

>>2177618
>>2169159
Also since the OP can't list 50 better games for the SNES, I will.

>Starfox
>Zelda: ALttP
>Pilotwings
>Battletoads vs. Double Dragon
>Super Castlevania IV
>Castlevania: Dracula X
>Ken Griffey Jr. Baseball
>Super Turrican 1
>Super Turrican 2
>Zombies Ate My Neighbors
>Worms
>Mega Man 7
>Mega Man X
>Mega Man X2
>Mega Man X3
>Earthworm Jim
>Earthworm Jim 2
>Mega Man Soccer
>Mortal Kombat
>Mortal Kombat II
>Mortal Kombat 3
>NBA Jam: Tournament Edition
>Paperboy 2
>Chrono Trigger
>SimAnt
>Street Fighter 2 (if I counted each version I would have no trouble making past 50)
>Super Bomberman 1
>Super Bomberman 2
>Terminator 2: The Arcade Game
>Total Carnage
>Super Star Wars
>Super Star Wars: Empire Strikes Back
>Super Star Wars: Return of the Jedi
>Super Metroid
>Sim City 2000
>Mighty Morphin Power Rangers
>TMNT: Turtles in Time
>Bust-A-Move
>Clay Fighter
>Earthbound
>Faceball
>Secret of Mana
>Smash TV
>The Lost Vikings
>Top Gear
>Top Gear 2
>Top Gear 3000
>Might and Magic 3
>Wild Guns
>F-Zero

>be playing mario kart 64 with friends today
>friend is playing as DK
>I'm Toad
>we gab it up on tough games
>time passes
>Be on Toad's Turnpike
>datmp3.swf
>other friend using Yoshi slips on banana
>DK komments that this game is unforgiving as fuck
>Yoshi and I look at DK
>>/unforgivingaf/

>>2177279
>It's almost like it's inconsistent!
I'm glad you're starting to see it my way.

>>2177651
well since apparently this thread is for replying to bait, i'll respond to yours

>dracula x on snes
>mega man x3
>mega man soccer
>mortal kombat anything on snes
>simant
>clay fighter
>smash tv
>better than super mario world

>>2178131
I forgot that Home Improvement and Wayne's World are also better

On a serious note, please don't start on the PC engine Dracula X shit.

If you want the best platformer, Kid Chameleon for the Sega was the absolute best I have ever played. The complexity, insane length, non-linear level sequence, and extreme difficulty drive off most players though.

I get the feeling that the witty mods/janitors just left this thread up to showcase the kind of mental retardation that exists on this board

>popcorn.gif

>>2178126
I've always seen it that way. The difference is you can inconsistency as a flaw. I see the inconsistency as its inherent nature.