/vr/ - Retro Games

How do you get such accurate colors of your CRT? Did you turn the brightness down to like nothing?
Whenever I try to take a photo, even with all other light sources eliminated, I get washed out colors.

What camera do you use? What settings?

>>2146930
Kodak M683 is the camera I use.
Close Up mode(I believe it's a macro mode)
Manually set ISO to either 64 or 100, anything higher gets too much noise in the image, and can actually pick up too much of the light; The former mainly due to using a cheap point and shoot. Most of my older "good" shots before I started doing this ended up in the upper double digits and lower 100s.
White Balance set to Fluorescent; Used to leave it on auto, and while I feel this sometimes led to a bit more vibrant colors/photos in general, but I was getting too many photos that came out blue tinted and sort of washed out.
I do adjust the exposure bias on the fly if I feel a certain screen is coming out too bright or too dark.

Setting for the CRT are left wear they are for general use, unless I'm trying to get a very specific photo, like of macro shots of the phosphors themselves rather than what they form.

tl;dr:
Kodak m683
Macro mode
Low ISO(64 or 100)
Fluorescent White Balance

This is the info given for that specific image.

>>2146943
>m683
M863

>>2146943
Thanks a lot. I had everything on track, but the whitebalance was throwing it off. Fluorescent works perfectly.

>>2146974

>>2146974
>>2146976
If you hadn't post the second shot, I'd almost thing that was some really crazy shader work.
What monitor/TV is that?

>>2146984
It's an HP Pavilion mx704.
I had to post the second image because my camera has this weird habit of blending colors like the first image. It doesn't look THAT smooth, at least not up close. At a viewing distance of 1.5-2 feet, it looks damn good though.

Are toshiba tube TV good ? I might get my hands on one soon.
And how are Daewoo also ?

"YOU WIN!"

>>2146993
I've got my old toshiba since 99, it's great.

Just turned on my PVM to find a big gross discolored spot in the top right corner. There is no degauss button on this model.
Surely most if not all PVMs were built with an internal coil? Is it just a matter of having it turned off/unplugged long enough to degauss when I power it on?

>>2146993
I have a cheap Toshiba that only takes composite and I love it. Bright vivid colors.
The only thing I don't like about it is that it does a really good job hiding scanlines. If you like bold scanlines you will probably be disappointed.

>>2147129
Yeah it'll work itself out over time. What PVM do you have that doesn't have a degauss button? It's probably buried in some menu.

>>2147135
It's a 14N6U.

>>2147139
Wow. Surprisingly, it doesn't seem to have a degauss function even though I see someone anecdotally reporting it has a coil. Here's a copy of the manual, which indicates the use of an external degausser.

http://diagramas.diagramasde.com/otros/SSM-20N5U_9976686010-00e.pdf

Gaussed CRTs do return to neutral over time though so have faith and patience.

>>2147129
>>2147146
Or you can purchase a standalone degaussing coil and use that.

>>2147146
>>2147148
Eh, if it doesn't straighten itself out maybe. Not keen on spending $40 on one of those if I don't have to.
Anyway thank you for the information!

>>2147158
If you have a corded power drill handy, that will purportedly work as a degaussing coil as well.

Snes on a daewoo 24in

Is it bad that my Sony Trinitron mixes between a green and red hue on the screen before looking normal when I turn it on now? Is it on its way out?

>>2147679
Depends how long this phase is. If it's not longer than a minute then i wouldn't mind it.
Mine does that for about 3 seconds when cold.

>>2147129
Not anywhere near PVM quality, but my old Daewoo CRT had this problem, too. It seemed to fade slightly after a couple months of use, though it's still noticeable if you're looking for it. Would be nice if it'd go away completely, but at least it doesn't really bother me much at this point.

Are new CRTs being manufactured anywhere currently?

>>2147728
Only in South Korea I think for consumer ones.

People probably still make broadcast CRTs.

>>2147745
I thought Ikegami was Japanese? They're still going, and they do mostly broadcast sets now, yes. Or were you referring to the manufacture of the tubes proper, not the finished sets?

>>2147762
>Ikegami
>$12,000 dollar CRTs

Better be the best damn CRT I've ever seen.

>>2147679
Mine does this also, although not red and green. I'll have to check but I think it goes white to purple before settling on the input display. It only lasts a few seconds.

>>2147781
Lots of large high end PVMs were this price new at some point, that's not an absurd price for top of the line video equipment.

Remember, a lot of this stuff was very high end at some point, that's the beauty of it.

Anyone have experience with the picture not being straight? Within a couple weeks, I found 2 different trinitrons and both of them have a lopsided picture that partially cuts off text.

So in pic related, the black box is the TV screen and the red box is the skewed/angled picture. It's only pretty slight, but it's still there and ideally I'd like to find out how to fix it. Or at least understand WHY both of my TVs are like this.

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/9-Ikegami-Color-CRT-Monitor-/151183482761?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item23333cdf89

What do you think, boys?

>>2148060

My old Trinitron TV did that when plugged into component...I had already replaced it with a PVM when I discovered that issue and was trying to get rid of it, so I never looked further into it.

>>2148060
>>2148095
I acquired a Panasonic 27" 480P set recently that had that problem. Turned out a simple Yoke adjustment was all that was needed. As in, I opened the set (carefully!) and removed one or more of the rubber chocks (White rubber wedges, in the pic i've attached. I then took hold of the Yoke and twisted it gently until it was in the right position, and replaced the chocks. Test and repeat.

Not hard, as long as you're comfortable working with electricity and know what to keep your fingers away from or discharge properly first.

>>2148065
Well, it might be ok as a desktop set, but it's only 300TVLines resolution. A regular consumer set is about 550ish, i think? Means the picture can't display as clearly, i guess? Hopefully some more knowledgeable anon can weigh-in here...

http://charlotte.craigslist.org/ele/4790072881.html

This is a good deal if the geometry/convergence/white balance is good, someone go pick it up.

is there any site to find people who trade or sell CRT's? Like for looking for a specific model like a multisync.

>>2148325
I guessing there's at least one in Aus. All those fricking ABC monitors that sold at pallet auction mid Nov have just vanished. People are sitting on like 25+ 20" PVM's and a ton more 14" ones. Nothing on Ebay or Gumtree (our Craigslist)

I'm not sure what to think. Did older production sutdios at schools and uni's buy them? I know a few older TV studios are still using CRT's too. Or is there a well-organised retro gaming community with a trade in broadcast monitors I'm not aware of?

Finally got my new crt up and running. There's a bit of a reddish tint to everything and I've done as much as I can to reduce it. But still, the picture's really nice, and with RGB, ps1 games are sharper than anything I've ever seen.

>>2148397
Can i ask what set you have? That looks like a broadcast monitor of some description.

>>2148442
Sorry, by which i meant, you might be able to get into the service/menus and adjust the balance. Or build an amp and apply it to the B and G lines only...

>>2147762
Ikegami is probably using existing stocks of CRTs for their new monitors, as it seems unlikely that a CRT production line is still working in Japan at this late date.

>>2147781
I have a TM20-80R and Ikegami build quality is phenomenal. The frame around the CRT is a solid metal casting, for example, and the thing feels like Mil-Spec level quality. Something like this really can't be compared to anything in consumer electronics.

I got mine used for like $100 shipped off eBay though (mint condition). What a fucking steal.

>>2147745

You mean Taiwan anon, right? Also, Ikegami still manufacture multi-sync Broadcast video monitors in Japan..

>>2148442
>>2148457
It's a PVM-14m4a. I managed to mostly fix the colouring with the color temp/bal menu. I'm not sure if that's what you meant though. Building an amp sounds way out of my skill level.

Is there a way to know at what resolution this crt tv I have at home outputs?

This is the official info.
http://download.p4c.philips.com/files/2/29pt5645_77/29pt5645_77_pss_.pdf

I have 2 more crts at home, but I guess they output at 240p because they were made in the mid 90s.

>>2148512
Can I ask where you got it? What state do you live in?

>>2148540
It's one of the ex-abc ones from ebay.

>>2148551
So you're the guy in Brissie? Did it all work out price-wise?

>>2148536
via component, 480i, maybe 480p
if it's not advertised (on manual, on stickers), it's not supported. You have to try and see yourself, with a that can output 480p

Incoming flood of pics, as soon as I sort the pics.
Come from a hueg 70cm diag phillips beast

When that classy logo often meant something worthy

>>2149093

>>2149095

>>2149098
only bad thing about that tv is that corners are a little blurry and geometry is a little bad on th right side.

>>2149102
nothing deal breaking, and kinda expected for that size, and it still blows out of the water a samsung tv a friend has

>>2149104

>>2149105

>>2149110
that title music always gets me pumped

>>2149113

>>2149115

>>2149116
after scanline pr0n, time for decay smut

>>2149117
and obscene phosphors

>>2149118
and that's it, hope you enjoyed the ride

>>2149120
guess what, I forgot 2 pics
that pic doesn't do justice to the beauty of the scene, with all the parallax and the color of the clouds.

>>2149120

>>2149123
dat everything

>r_c_a restocked again
>still no Genesis cables
Should I just say fuck it and grab one from retrogamingcables? Looks like they'd be lower cost at least.

How does Windows 98 SE handle DOS display modes? Having trouble setting the refresh rate for them.
Managed to set the refresh rates for Windows games via the registry but DOS games seem stuck between 60 and 70Hz no matter what I set.
Are there separate registry entries for DOS programs?

>>2149174
I think the DOS games are hardcoded and write the modeline directly to the graphics card.

Which Retroarch shaders do I choose to get the ideal scanlines? The names of the shaders are obscure.

I want scanlines & a vibrant image, no colour bleed or fake CRT curvature or any of that, I want the 'perfect' scanlined image.

>>2149197
I don't in any way mean to be rude here, but I think the emulator general on this board is where you should post this.

So is this the best site for crt repair guidance? Also there are some great youtube repair vids. Any other guides out there?
http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/monfaq.htm

http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/crtfaq.htm
http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/tvfaq.htm

>>2149536
Here is a site on video conversion info.
http://local16.com/knowledge/Video_Conversion.html#nvcioi6

got a 32" trinitron

this picture isnt great but it looks real nice in person
i have nes and snes hooked up with composite, ps1 with s-vid and ps2 component

>og xbox cant do 240p megadrive games, or 240p at all
<my ps2 can

>>2149536
Not bad guides, those ones.

JVC DT-V1710cg

>>2150142
Damn some of those jvc monitors look nice. I never see rgb ones though. What game is that?

>>2150142
Just googled the specs. Holy fucking SHIT is that thing impressive.

>>2150152
It's a Konami arcade game called Surprise Attack. It's basically shinobi/rolling thunder in space.

>>2150153
It's a beautiful monitor but it has a few downsides though.
1. It has trouble syncing to games with 55hz refresh rates such as Mortal Kombat and R-type.
2. When using an RGB nes on the monitor the picture slightly wobbles in the top left corner.
3. With my cmvs the screen bows in the corner, but it works fine with groovy mame.
And the monitor is useless unless it comes with the RGB/Component input card.

>>2150182
Wow I love Rolling Thunder that sounds awesome.

just saw a quad rack mount of monitors on venture brothers just now looked kinda like a 90's pvm

>>2150189
Is there any way to acquire a card? How much you think these are worth? Any downsides compared to a PVM-14L5?

>>2150415
I paid $300 shipped for a brand new monitor that included the card. I'm not sure where you could get just the card. I've never seen one for sale on ebay.

>>2150451
what card would be needed? BTW I noticed this set has 1080/24psF, have you made use of that for any movies? Is it even possible/feasible?

>>2150459
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/244451-REG/JVC_IFC01COMG_IF_C01COMG_Component_Video_RGB_Input.html

regarding 24psf, I haven't tried that and honestly have no clue how I could do it. Would I need to convert hdmi to HD-SDI or something crazy?

Where do you guys find your TVs I had a great 20" Sony flat display with component inputs that basically died on me, and I've been hopelessly scouring craigslist for a replacement with no luck.

>>2149536
I used one of these guides to fix my tv with magnets. Thanks man.

http://mikejmoffitt.com/wp/?p=284

Not sure if this has been posted yet. Even though I have absolutely no experience with soldering or electronics repair on that level, I'd love to git gud and possibly experiment with other TVs after gaining experience. This can be a great alternative for those like me who are not fortune enough to come across a god-tier RGB professional monitor easily. Thoughts?

>>2151571
do you have access to component ?
there's a simple schematic for a RGB to Component converter at sega16.

Webms or something like that. This camera just hates taking video.

>>2150983
Visit some thrift stores, sometimes you'll strike gold.

Found a 36 inch Sony Trinitron for 30 bucks a few years ago. It's ridiculously huge but I love it so much.

>>2151571
>I fed RGB signals straight to the drive transistors on the CRT’s neck board.
I recommend not do this. The chips (often referred as jungle IC) that drive these transistors usually have a "automatic cutoff protection" which protects the electron guns and transistors from overvoltage spikes on the video input(s).

It's always better to "insert" the RGB signal into that jungle IC that drives the neckboard, it will likely have a RGB input which might be used for OSD or 2 RGB inputs where one is OSD and the other one is unused. Also the RGB inputs will also have a fast switching input to switch between composite/S-Video and RGB.

>Even though I have absolutely no experience with soldering or electronics repair on that level, I'd love to git gud and possibly experiment with other TVs after gaining experience.
I recommend you to read these:
>>2149536
And study the schematics. Try to get TVs where you can find the schematics/service manual on the internet.

>>2151571
This is hilarious.

Am I fucked?

pic somewhat related, mine is a 27 inch RCA flatron

>>2152010
Fuck, TruFlat I meant to say

Also there is about a centimeter of black at the top of the screen as if the picture is shifted down slightly

>>2151571

I think it's really sad how hard it is to get RGB on non-Euro TVs.

I recently purchased a sony trinitron pvm-13510 for 6 dollars. All the connections for video are this weird coax looking thing. Are there adapters for rca cables or should I just rid myself of it?

>>2152320
Those connections would be BNC, and yes, there are adapters to plug in RCA cables.

>>2152320
They're BNC connectors. Adapters to RCA are cheap. You can get them where ever you'd like, but just make sure you get the correct ones (female RCA to Male BNC); These are the ones I have and they've worked just fine for me over the past year or two:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000G5S4JI

Wouldn't suggest getting them Radio Shack though, the price the ask is stupid.

Nice Commodore.

>>2152010
Reminds me of my childhood. I must've went 10 years playing all my video games on a half broken CRT where the top couple inches of the screen didn't even display.

>>2152329
>>2152327
Thank you both.

You are pretty slick, Kya.

My friend suggested gutting and cramming a small PC inside for a frankenstein imac-type thing. Would anyone consider that sacrilege? Personally, I'd rather play nes or snes on it, but I do have that perfectly good commodore which I would never harm physically. Although it does have some stickers on it from when I was young and stupid.

>>2152346
If you're talking about removing the tube and all that, that'd just be a waste and destruction of a perfectly good CRT(assuming that it IS in good condition).
If you mean stuffing one in along side the CRT bits, doubt you'd be able to find enough space in there to do much more than something RasPi sized; Safely at least.

>I'd rather play nes or snes on it, but I do have that perfectly good commodore which I would never harm physically.
Can never have too many CRTs.
What ever you end up doing is ultimately your decision, but I think it would be nice to see someone using it for retro vidya rather than torn apart for a novelty.

The idea of having a little emulation PC capable of 240p connected up to and stuffed inside of a PVM does sound really neat though.

>>2152346
>Although it does have some stickers on it from when I was young and stupid

Nigga, that's endearing as fuck. My childhood NES is all yellow and full of shitty stickers, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Have pride in your childhood possessions. However you think you may have defiled them, it signifies that they are yours and yours alone.

>>2152374
Thanks for your opinions and knowledge. You are the first tripcode using person I have ever seen on this site that wasn't a total faggot.

>>2152379
The stickers aren't so bad, but an asshole friend of mine cauterized (yes cauterized, a little pocket battery powered one) his initials on the top of it. It is small, but I truly hate that person and haven't spoken to him in almost 15 years.

Really need to stop being such a piece of shit and organize these folders.

>>2152380
It's no problem, I just like helping people if I at all can.

>that wasn't a total faggot
Just don't go poking around my porn folders and we're cool.

>>2152382
You could maybe try getting some type of an epoxy to fill it in and possibly paint it to match the casing's color. I'll admit that I don't know the first thing when it comes to plastic work, but /diy/ could perhaps give a better suggestion.

>>2152389
>Just don't go poking around my porn folders and we're cool.

Lol. He might have been on a few of the other boards first. People are generally pretty positive on /vr/. Except the Retron Shill - that's guy's hilarious but he's still a douche.

LCD is superior to CRT in every way.

>>2152428
This is the first time i've ever read this sentence.

>>2152428
What, do have to lift a lot of both?

>>2152428

>>2152457
I don't see no CRTs on the Enterprise, kid.

>>2152459
No? That SD content was playing on something.

Just found someone giving away a 32" Sony WEGA. Those are pretty good, as good as or synonymous with? Trinitrons, yes? The seller says it's got a flat screen (obviously it's a CRT though). Is that a problem at all? Will light gun games work properly on it?

Pic related. Don't worry, first thing I'm doing is cleaning it.

>>2152661
That is among the best consumer CRTs ever made. If there's nothing horribly wrong with it, get it.

>>2152669
not him, do those support 240p/480i and 480p?

>>2152696
Pretty sure it will only support 240p and 480i.

>>2152669
Glad I look through the CRT thread often enough to recognize it by sight! It was only listed as a Sony TV. Says it's in good condition and fully functional! Thanks for the reassurance. Hopefully I'll be picking it up in some hours.

What's the deal with rear projection CRTs? I see people getting rid of them fairly often on Craigslist and have wondered if they're any good.

Example: http://rochester.craigslist.org/zip/4826243387.html
I have no way of getting a 57" CRT home, just curious as to how these compare to standard CRTs

>>2152708

Nice for watching movies and shows, but not for playing vidyas.

Anyone know anything about the Sony Wega KV DA32M36? Pic related. People near me selling one, though i plan not to pay much if anything. Can't find any info online though. Or even anything close.

I currently have a Panasonic 27" EDTV/480p set, made in Malaysia. How much better/worse would the Wega be, and why? (I presume it's a 480p set) Is it just that the Wega/Trinitrons had better tubes, slightly clearer and brighter, that sort of thing?

>>2153010
looks like it takes up to 1080i through component/dvi

but i say that only because my exgf's parents had that same *looking* tv and that's what it did.

searching the model gave funny results, i can see how you're confused.

>>2153027
TBH looking for a good set for 480p, i guess. If it takes 1080i it'll probably just upscale 480P anyway and make a mess of it?

>>2153039
you should ask the seller for an image of the back connectors. sony is pretty stellar at listing the compatible resolutions right at the HD inputs.

usually their HD CRTs can display 480p, 720i, 720p and 1080i, no progressive scanned 1080 though. upscalling 240/480i to at least 480p so they're crummy for retro consoles that output 240p/480i but amazing for dreamcast (via vga) and ps2-current

again, just speculating.

Hey /crt/, I've got a quick question for you.
I've been working under the assumption that my PVM has geometry problems, because I've got a picture that warps slightly inward on the right & bottom sides. But today I played a game that allowed me to adjust the picture centering, and when I moved it over the guns did continue to draw to the edge of the screen.
Basically the warping is there but there ARE circumstances under which I can fill the entire screen. Does this sound like maybe it's an issue with the signal source more than my geometry? I figured if it was *just* the geometry the thing would cut off, but I don't know enough about how that works to know for sure.

>>2153039
Don't CRTs never upscale since they don't have a native resolution?

>>2153194

I don't know where you read that but it's false. Some CRTs TVs don't upscale, some others do. SDTVs don't upscale because they can only display 240p and 480i video signals. On the other hand, ED and HD CRTs DO upscale an incoming 240p or 480i video signal, because their Horizontal sync don't allow them to display these signals correctly.

CRTs don't have a "native resolution", but a minimum and maximum number of horizontal lines that can be displayed.

>>2153261
that would explain the many reports that late Samsung CRT with component input tend to show little to no scanlines when displaying 240p content.

>>2153090
aren't most DC/PS2/GC/Xbox games 480i only? Still a nice widescreen CRT for Wii and DVD's would be nice.

I am new to CRT enthusiasm and just picked up pic related, a Sony Trinitron 2530 circa 1988.

I can connect to S video, composite, or old computer monitor cable.

I was wondering if it was worth picking up a SCART to CMPTR cable to connect some of my consoles to it or would the difference between that, s video, or even composite be negligible?
And if it is worth it to do on consoles like the NES, SNES, Master System, Mega Drive, etc would it also be worth it on newer consoles like the Saturn, Dreamcast, N64, Gamecube, etc?

If it is worth doing could someone point me in the right direction to get SCART cables for all my retro consoles and even a SCART selector that I can input multiple consoles at the same time?

Thanks a lot.

Is there a list of recommended "HD" CRT's? IE Widescreen and offer native 480p, 720p. Asides from no native 240p/480i, do these CRT's have any downsides? I just so vastly prefer the ultra high quality motion clarity that not even a 144Hz LCD quite has.

>>2152712
aren't the giant arcade games with pedastals rear projection ?
i

>>2153848

Sometime they are, sometime they aren't. Darius and other late 80s/early 90s title using an ultra wide display actually used 3 9" monitors, while some model 2 games used rear-projection monitors.

>>2153163
From what you've described it's far more likely to be the PVM that needs adjusting than the console. Try it with another source?

The geometry can easily warp that way. A bunch of vertical lines can be bunched together, and next to that another patch spaced apart to make up for the fact the screen is full and there are only so many lines to go around. (Not entirely true, it'd be to do with a magnetic effect near the convergence setup, strong in one place where it shouldn't be, and weak right next to that.)

>>2153546
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_GameCube_games_with_480p_and_16:9_support
NTSC Gamecubes are capable of 480P, and it looks fucking glorious, way nicer than Wii games output. The original gamecube component cables go for a ton because the picture is so amazing (and can't be replicated easily because they have a digital signal converter in the console-end plug)

PAL gamecubes and games cannot out put 480P. They will use RGB, i believe, though i'm not sure about any modification. NTSC gamecubes can out put S-Video but not RGB, but can obviously do Component at 480p through the digital out connector, which was removed on later models.

>>2153610
RF<Composite<S-Video<RGB
The jump from composite to S-Video is pretty noticeable. The jump to RGB/EuroSCART is not quite so extreme, but still worth it, especially on a nice Med-resolution PVM like that one. Not in EU so no idea about where to get SCART stuff. Ebay is generally fine for adapters AFAIC, but some of the cables can be cheaply made.

>>2153680
The Sony Wega's have a great rep, that's why I was asking about one above. Manufacturers you know are good are good, if you'll forgive the phrase. But pretty much any CRT in decent condition has nice colours and no motion blur.

>>2153610
Nice. I am new to the club too. I wanted a crt based on a friends recommendation since 3d games were making me sick on hd tvs.

Whatchu playing on your new toy?

>>2153878
>way nicer than Wii games output.
It's better, but I wouldn't say it's that huge of a difference

>PAL gamecubes and games cannot out put 480P. They will use RGB, i believe, though i'm not sure about any modification.
PAL GCs output RGB outright. They also have the same digital output connector as the NTSC models, so 480p component is doable as well.

>>2153610
The website I linked you with the breakout cable also sells SCART cables, but there are some others.
Again, http://www.retrogamingcables.com/ (UK Based)
http://www.ebay.com/usr/retro_console_accessories (US Based)
http://www.ebay.com/usr/retrocomputershack (UK Based)
http://www.ebay.com/usr/thefoo.83 (Poland Based)

I've only had the polish one brought to my attention in the last few days, so I can't speak on their quality, but I assume they stack up well.

>>2154036
>PAL GCs... have the same digital output connector as the NTSC models, so 480p component is doable as well.
Yeah of course, just none of the games for PAL region will support it natively. So you'll need a modchip or a bootloader to get NTSC games working on your PAL system, or a sfotmodded Wii to force NTSC, and even then there can be problems as some games won't put out 480p, if they work at all. Unless that's no longer the case and my info is old?

And IMO the GC's 480P is golden, and the Wii is a visible step backward :)

>>2153939
I've not heard that one before. How is a CRT going to help motion sickness over an LCD?

I didn't want to ask /g/ because they will just tell me to fuck off, so thankfully I found this thread.

>RGB
>YCbCr
>SCART
>Component
>Analog
>Digital

Can someone please end my confusion and correctly pair these up?

I've never touched SCART but I heard it's RGB and has the best quality.

I also heard there will be added input delay when you convert from analog to digital. I want to plug in SCART for PS1 then convert it to HDMI and I'm curious if there will be additional input delay in that transition. Does RGB->HDMI conversion add input lag?

>>2154593
I'll end your confusion.

>Google
Google
>Google
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Google

>>2154372
I can see where he is coming from. Stretched textures make my eyes focus strange like I've got astigmatism up the ass. And latency makes me a bit ill depending on the game.

By stretched textures i mean linear filtered. Kinda like n64 games where your character is sharp but the textures are blown out like a porn star's asshole.

>>2154607
None of it say whether this conversion adds input delay

>>2154607
What a douche.

"Back in the late 50's A Tech friend of mine built a picture tube rebuilding plant from scratch. He made a living with it for a few years selling rebuilt b&w tubes. Everybody around said he sold the best rebuilt tubes that you could get. He said the secret was in the good vacuum pump and that he used and the amount of time that he pumped down the tube.

He always said that a tube could be made to last practically forever if you could get a high enough vacuum on it. The only real money he put into his plant was in the pump.

A few years ago he retired and brought the whole thing down to my shop for storage. It was a marvel to behold. The cooker was an old upright deep freeze with a pyrex pie plate for a window. The lathe where he welded the tube necks onto the tube was built of scraps of angle iron with a washing machine motor. The device that he used to cut the necks off of the tube was a model railroad controller with a homemade foot pedal and a couple of whittled down broomsticks with metal tips shaped so that you could easily fold the nichrome wire around the tube neck. He said it was the only transformer he could find, at the time, that would hold up to heat the wire hot enough to cut the neck off of the tube. It was very low voltage but would supply hi current.

In addition to the tube plant, he also designed and got a patent on a cotton picker. I've got a copy of his patent on display in my shop. Some of us only half believed him for years, when he said he had the patent, but when he died, we searched the shop and found his patent papers hidden away in a file cabinet of old Sams Photofacts.

Those old guys were something else. They could start with a few old scraps and build something worthwhile and useful."

I just came reading this

>>2154593
Anything with more than one line for video is technically a component video source, as it breaks the video down into components of some description. S-Video, RGB/RGBS, RGBHV, and YPbPr/YCbCr/SoG/RGsB,RsGB/YUV are all types of component signal. "Component" when used specifically normally means YPbPr/YCbCr.

"Component" was normally analog, but i think it can be digital now. You'd want to check that.

RGB/RGBS and RGBHV are analog. SCART is a format invented by Peritel using the plug you're thinking of. It can use RGBS, but it doesn't have to. Make sure you check what you're buying or you might end up with a SCART cable that just passes the composite signal, not the RGB signals + composite as sync.

>>2154714
>>2154623

And yes, the SCART-HDMI upscaler will add some lag. Fighting games, for example, will suffer.

>>2154674
Yeah, love that shit. I love cobbling together bits and pieces to make what i need to game with, though i've got nothing near stories like that one.

So what does /crt/ use as stands/tables for their crt's? LCD's with their adjustable stands spoil us.

Like does anyone know what this particular table is? I love how it's no-nonsense and doesn't feel cheap like most modern products are.

hello there, I am new to all this CRT stuff, and I have a question. I own a Sylvania SSC132 with 120V, 60Hz, 65W. It has a built in VCR. Would this television be good for playing NES or N64 games on? I have the tv with me so if you have any questions I could try to answer them (about the tv).
>pic related, it's the tv

I have a guy giving away a free TV on my french canadian craigslist. It's a sony wega 32 inches but It's a bit busted.worth picking up?

>>2155769
Well, it'd be okay. Not up to par with a composite monitor, which was made to better tolerances in terms of focus and comb filtering (comb filtering is how the color signal is separated from the luma signal in composite video).

>>2155792
it's a fucking trinitron. And it's free. of course it's worth picking up!
Unless the busting up affects image quality.

>>2155769
turn it on, get to a mostly white screen, snap a close up pic so we can see the pixels, and do one with a clear image (preferably color bars) so we can see the overall quality. Might be okay.

>>2155793
To get this clarity and brightness, I put my camera on a tripod, snapped a picture that made everything BUT the CRT look normal, and then did another picture with low ISO and low aperture settings. I opened them both in GIMP and stitched the screen from the low brightness image on top of the normal brightness image.
I can assure you though, it actually looks this good.

>>2155793
These newer trinitrons can take a beating. I bought mine new in 2000. Thing has gotten wrecked over the years and multiple moves. Last move a bike fell on top of the shit and cracked the cabinet but the picture is still mint.

>>2155813
yep :)

>>2155820
>>2155813
that implosion's all in the implosion prevention :D

>>2155813
>>2155820
The color shouldnt be altered by a drop or a bang unless some component is knocked loose.
usually, if the CRT doesn't implode and send shards of glass everywhere, it's still good! :D

>>2155769
>>2155796
I unfortunately couldn't get a completely white screen, but I tried getting white text. I took these 2 pics, side by side.

>>2155853
Looks alright.
A bit of geometry problems on the sides, but thats normal.
A trinitron is better, but that should do you alright.

>>2155747
I'll get a picture of it later, but I bought a modern metal/wood TV stand that has 3 shelves, the top one rated for 135 lbs. Currently have 7 systems, a LaserDisc player, and a Sony PVM-20M2MDU on it.

am I welcome here?

this is pretty nice, but the colors are mortally fucked and I have no idea how to fix it no matter how much I mess with the color settings, it's really red unless I up the green and blue gain/bias

>>2156143
If you were playing quake or something, might be a bit easier to allow it.
Still, that's a fucking sweet CRT and I'm jealous.

>>2156212

t-thanks

I'm currently only running my file archiving workstation/NT4 dual P6 shitbox on it at the moment, latter one doesn't really like fun software ;_;

>>2155747
Nice XBR/Other late model HD trinitron bro.

Alright, I have to ask. Assuming everything's in working order, comparable specs (i.e. size, video sources, etc) how much of a difference is there between CRTs? Like, say you have a Slyvania CRT and were getting a Sony WEGA how obvious would the picture quality be?

>>2156257
Sony Trinitrons were made completely differently from any other TV up through the early 2000's when the patents expired.
They use an aperture grille instead of a shadow mask, which, long story short, makes it possible for the cathode ray to hit more of the fluorescent coating and makes the colors and screen in general a ton more bright and clear.

I came from a 1995 Magnavox/Philips CRT with a shadow mask, to a Trinitron from 1996 with an aperture grille. The difference was astonishing and I can never go back.
It makes a bigger difference with computer monitors, where detail is important.

On TV's, they will be similarly bright but the trinitron will have far clearer and finer details than the rectangular shadow mask of other TV's can hope for.

Sony struck gold when it started developing the trinitron to avoid paying licensing fees on shadow masks to RCA.

>>2155747
30x50in coffee table

>>2156257
Sylvania is mainly a budget brand and lower quality in general. On top of this, the Sonys use aperture grille based CRTs where as the Sylvania are shadow mask, so the pictures they produce have a different look all together.

I'd suggest a good condition Sylvania over a horribly abused Trinitron, but assuming they're in the same general condition, go with the Trinitron. If you are getting a later WEGA model, you'll want to be careful to not grab an HD set; They have wonderful pictures for movies and 480p+ stuff, but retro suffers.

>I posted this:
>>2156279
>the following was posted between the time it told me I'd posted and the time that it reloaded the page
>>2156280

Ninja'd.

>>2156281
2 damn seconds

That's what I get for rewording myself twice. You gave a better description anyway.

>>2156257
Holding a trinitron and a similarly used and sized sylvania tube next to each other would show a much cleaner and prettier image on the trinitron.

>>2156285
But you remembered to mention to get a 4:3 set instead of a widescreen one!
I'd say we tied, and will blame a clogging in the intertubes.

Here's my computer's trinitron under a magnifying glass. It needs a magnifying glass to see the details!

>>2156287
4:3 doesn't immediately mean that it'll be an SD set. My HD Hi-Scan model is 4:3.

>>2156294
true enough!
I have a sony BVM (20 inch broadcast monitor) that also fits the bill.

>>2156382
Posted any pictures of it?

Also, speaking of said Hi-Scan...

Took these for a thread on /v/ a few moments ago; 240p Test Suite's lag test, running on the Wii; Y line of component feeding the composite input of the PVM and then out the the HS420.

>>2156405
And if you must have color.

>>2156405
>>2156425
I think I posted it here a while back, but I can't find the photo now, and it's getting late :(
I'll look for another ten minutes or so for my camera and then call it a night, post it in the morning.

Got my saturn hooked up through S-video finally. Shit is crispy.
27" sony trinitron. Samurai Spirits IV.

>>2156405
It looks about 2-3 frames behind?

Super Game Boy on apple CRT monitor

>>2157296
And with the monochrome switch toggled.
This ignores the color burst and makes a perfectly crisp (but black and white) picture.

>>2157296
>>2157312

More like gameboy player right? No way a gameboy color game could be played on a Super Game Boy, unless it is specifically designed to be working on a regular gameboy to begin with.

>>2157327
uhhh... pokemon gold works on the original game boy.
This is definitely a super game boy.

>>2157336

Well then sorry, never knew it worked on an original gameboy. Just learned something today.

>>2157342
Gold and silver do, crystal doesn't.
(corrected the lighting a bit)

>>2157347

Well it explains it all, I only owned crystal so far.

>>2157354
Crystal was my favorite. Wish I hadn't lost it.

>all listings for Commodore 1702's that are reasonably priced have panels and buttons missing and case cracks

what the fuck do people do to their CRTs? how does this shit happen?

I have a PVM-14L5 which looks great except for this patch of shifted color. Degaussing doesn't seem to fix it. I took it to a local repair shop and they want $95 to fix it. The people on Hardforum told me to try using an external degausser. I'm sort of tempted to just buy my own external degaussing coil and try it but I'm not sure... what should I do?

>>2157835

Beating the shit out of it whenever they lose at their badly made, C=64 british arcade port, running too fast on their NTSC machine.

Not very retro but I guess I can ask this because of the dreamcast and wii virtual console

What am I supposed to play 480p games on?
most crt are 240p, hd tvs with low input lag are very modern and don't have that resolution.
Should I use one of the rare hf crt tvs of the early 00s that could do 480p and 720p?
Do 480p games look much better on a tv that outputs at that resolution than one that can do 240p? am I missing something or it is not worth it?

>>2158014
On PC monitors. The dreamcast 480p mode was supposed to be used when a VGA box was connected to the console.

>>2158014
480p will be way better than 480i especially with 3d games.
And as it was said, use pc crt monitor.

>>2158014
>>2158018
Or on a nice EDTV/480p CRT TV. To use the Wii in 480p on anything you'd need component input anyway, or a converter box which'll create a bit of lag.

>>2158045

I thought that ideally transcoders didn't add lag.

>>2158014

You're supposed to use PC monitors. 100Hz CRT TVs also support it from my experience.

>>2158061
Yeah i was thinking of upscalers, so actually it might not. I don't know. I also don't know if it'll lose video quality.

And is a 100Hz CRT TV necessarily 480p capable? Mine does both, but not both at the same time.

Anyone familiar with NEC Multisync 3GP(?) monitor, featuring BNC connectors & a cube frame? Saw one up for grabs, but don't know anything about it.

>>2158068

Transcoders ideally cause no loss of video quality and no, or negligible, lag.

I don't know if it's a necessity but it's certainly the most logical. It's more likely to find a 100Hz CRT that properly handles 480p than a HD CRT that properly handles it, for example.

>>2157267
That sounds about right.

>>2158145
What? 4:3 "HD Ready" HDTVs were pretty common, in the early 2000s. Owned a Toshiba 36HF72 myself, & it officially supported 480i/480p/720p/1080i. I believe the native resolution was 1024x768 or at best, 1280x1024. Real HD content did not look good on it. Not sure if it supported 240p tho, as I had nothing to test it with. And RGB to Component adapters weren't really commonplace back when I had mine. I'd still have it today, had the beast not weighed 240 fucking pounds. And I not have anywhere to store it. Not even lying about how much that beast weighed either. It was ridiculous. And all of the weight was on the front. Very awkward to move. Very. Wouldn't wanna live in an earthquake zone with one of them not stripped down tight.

its 10 bucks

worth it ??

>>2158076
Given 3GP is a video container format like mpg, google is returning shit results. Are you sure you have that model no. right?

>>2158524
I'm the guy he was discussing with, and i think he meant natively:

If a set handles all those resolution formats you mentioned, and if it's not multisync, which is really rare in a consumer set, then it'll upscale the smaller signal formats to 1080i or 720p. This means that while it will show them onscreen, they'll be linedoubled and blurry/blocky compared to on a good set that shows them natively, and there'll also be a small amount of lag.

An EDTV handles 480p natively. A consumer CRT HDTV probably doesn't - it will even list those formats as being compatible, but that's not the same thing. It's going to be better than nothing, obviously, but if the anon who asked about 480p is looking for a TV, he might want to take all this on board.

>>2158592

anyone ??

>>2158076
If it's anything like the 4PG, it's probably a damned amazing set.

Snagged from neo-geo.

>>2158736
>If a set handles all those resolution formats you mentioned, and if it's not multisync, which is really rare in a consumer set, then it'll upscale the smaller signal formats to 1080i or 720p.

Actually it goes the otherway, 720p/1080i are downscaled to 1024x768 or 1280x1024 on those "HD Ready" 3:4 CRT HDTVs. While 480P will be upscaled to whatever the native resolution is, be it 1024x768 or 1280x1024. Just as any high resolution monitor would do too. Not really a deal breaker.

My Gamecube looked damn good, on that beast.

>>2158076
>>2158736
>3GP
And there's why I couldn't find anything either.
It's NEC Multisync 3PG or PG 2710
Has S-Video and the like so I would assume it would take 15khz RGB in someway. Apparently does up to SVGA (800x600)

>>2158751
>remote basket
WHY ALL TVS WEREN'T MADE LIKE THIS

>>2158770
No Tuner, No TV
Seriously though, having a little controller cosy for when it's not in use would be really nice.

>>2158767
That would be the beast I saw up for grabs. The one I saw had a property of Pepsi Co tag on it. LOL No remote included. :(

>>2158770
>>2158773
That sure would be nice.

>>2158738
Never heard of the brand. Any idea as to the specs on that model? It looks like a small SDTV. If that's what you're after, and you can't go to any place where they're recycle TV's and just grab one, go for it. $10 won't kill you.

>>2158751
>>2158767
same on the 3GP. WD Kya on translating that one into 3PG! I found a shot of the back of the 3PG :) Looks like it's hot shit. Sync range of 15.5 - 38KHz.

Full operating manual here, with specs near the end: http://home.comcast.net/~jkman999/NECManual/NEC_3PG_Manual_Smaller.pdf

A little more info here: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=7676.0

>>2158790
>Sync range of 15.5 - 38KHz.
Sorry, which means it's going to be great for anything from your Pong console up to and including PS2/DC/XB1/Wii

are flat trinitrons (fd trinitron / wega ?) good ? Or do they suffer from usual flat crts flaws (blurry angles, geometry...) ?
talking about mid/high end 4/3, 24" or 27".

>>2158779
You can probably find the remotes only if you look hard enough. It is nice to have those adjustment options. Dont know much about that specific Nec monitor but they usually can sync to anything. That 3pg model looks older so it probably wont have an on sceen display all manual adjustments.

>>2158896
wanted to add that I had to pay $30-50 extra for the remote from a different seller. There are some online. Universal remotes will NOT work on these.

>>2158767
>9-pin TTL computer port

Daaaaaamn, so this thing would work as a CGA/EGA monitor even.

>>2158885
For consumer sets, those are about as nice as it'll get. Not sure about probs, but if the sony's have them, all sets will.

>>2158767
Holy jesus fuckballs that looks good.

>>2158896
>No baller NEC logo on the back
Ruined.

>>2159296

>>2159296
>super game boy 2

nice. those are sexy transparent blue right.

>>2159335
They also don't support GBC games.

>>2158014
I am the person who asked this
thanks for the answer

Could it be that all hi scan sony tvs can do native 480p? after all it seems like "hi scan" is how Sony called its tvs that could do 1080i
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FD_Trinitron/WEGA

>>2159342
Wouldn't >>2159296 be a gbc only game though?

>>2159560
Yes
I have a sinking suspicion someone is emulating.
gib SGBC mod

>>2159560
Yes
I have a sneaking suspicion someone is emulating.
gib SGBC mod

>>2159335
SGB2 don't support GBC games.

I have a 20" Emerson EWF-2006, and it's perfect for what little retro gaming I do. No pictures of it in action, just thought I would leave this recommendation. There are plenty of very similar sets out there.

Could someone explain to a complete retard how to sort this clusterfuck out? So to run something in PAL I would need a PAL CRT, a PAL system and a PAL game for said system? and the same for NTSC? Or is it that there are universal games that work on both (I can't imagine how, knowing what little I know about it) standards? Are they even the same connectors? I know I can buy convertors but there are a shit ton. When buying a monitor or system or game how do you tell what standard they use. And what the fuck is SECAM? Why does this autism even exist?

>>2159607
If you can get your hands on a multi-standard VHS player, you can patch the signal through that.

>>2159607
Just RGB and you won't have to worry about silly things like that. So long as the monitor syncs to both 50Hz and 60Hz that is.
Usually the more recent TVs and monitors support multiple standards too, so it's really a non-problem.

>>2159607
>So to run something in PAL I would need a PAL CRT, a PAL system and a PAL game for said system? and the same for NTSC?
There are some CRTs that include multiple decoders so they can display both PAL and NTSC signals. And that's just for composite signals and the like; If you're using RGB, it just comes down to refresh rate(50hz vs 60).

>>2159618
>>2159616
>>2159615

Ok, but don't older consoles/micros only use composite? If I got a converter, would a converter work on both standards?

>>2159652
Have a read of this:
http://retrorgb.com/rgbguide.html

>>2159663
thanks anon

>>2159569

It is emulation

>>>/vg/90681685

>>2159618
Just about anything made after 2000, and probably major brand sets a bit before, will accept both NTSC and PAL. I reckon it was getting harder to keep hardware in regions, and a lot of players and consoles and other things were making into regions they weren't designed for. Simplest thing was to make the TV's work everywhere, with anything.

>>2159707
CRT's I mean, obviously.

>>2159607
PAL region TV's (if older) will accept PAL colour signals from PAL consoles using PAL cartridges/discs. Same for NTSC and NTSCJ(apan). As long a a connector/cable looks right and has the right plugs, it will work in any region - with two main exceptions. EuroSCART and Japanese SCART look the same but use different wiring schematics - if that's even what it's called in Japan. SCART tends to refer to the Euro standard pretty much everywhere i think.

The other exception i'm aware of is Nintendo's proprietary AV cables. The N64 S-Video cables are region specific as the motherboards are slightly different in different regions. Fairly easy to mod MB or make a cable for yourself though, if you're happy soldering.

>>2159718
Modchips or loaders are a handy way of getting around the region locking. They'll often let you boot games from any region - and sometimes change the video signal region the console is putting out as well. This can lead to black-and-white images on TV's without the ability to accept both PAl and NTSC formats.

>>2159718
>if that's even what it's called in Japan.
JP21

>>2159607
>want to play pal euro game.
>need a pal console.

shit sucks.

>>2159862
PAL sucks (HARD) anyway, thank god gamers everywhere are now united under HD.

>>2159869
Buttflustered NTSC pleb ladies and gents.

>better color resolution
>up to 256/512 horizontal lines compared to NTSC's fixed 224/448
>PAL regions usually had RGB as an option so one could even enjoy 60hz at max quality
>Even then, PAL60 existed

But yeah, I guess developing consoles/games for the NTSC market didn't do us any favor. That's why you let PAL developers speak for themselves.

>>2159879
>PAL regions usually had RGB as an option
Unless Nintendo had a say in it. To this day I am mad 99% of PAL N64s could only do composite. I'm even madder when I remember it only takes a single resistor to make them capable of S-Video out.

>>2147129
This isn't always a magnetic issue so degaussing may not be the fix. The deflection yoke may be misaligned if it was dropped.

So i found a sony PVM-13540 that has some display issues. there's black space that i don't think should be there on both sides of the screen vertically and the video cuts in and out. is it worth trying to fix?

>>2161069
Incorrect, sir! You might get away with a single resistor, but properly the console (or cable, as long as the components are in the loop somewhere) wants one 75Ohm resistor to ground each for the y and C lines, and then some caps too. Pic related.

>>2159879
>>PAL regions usually had RGB as an option so one could even enjoy 60hz at max quality
Speak for yourself ;) In Aus/NZ we got royally shafted. No SCART over here, unless you were into specialised AV equipment. No S-Video either, until the late 90's and the N64. Very few TV's had S-Video even until after 2000. And GL finding a Chinese modded N64 PAL S-Video cable that actually worked. A mate of mine had the only one i ever saw.

>>2157874
Get your own coil and try. Can't fuck it up too much.

>>2161414
The black space can probably be dealt with from the service menu. Don't know about cutting in out, but maybe that could be fixed too. Just be sure to write down the values of everything you want to change before you change it... In general be careful.

>>2161429
that's for a clean signal. Using an LCD or some display with heavier signal processing will probably work fine.

saw a HUEG sony projection tv in a street, I wish I could have powered it on just for kicks.

but that thing was way too HUEG for me to even hope to bringing it back, even if just for trying.

i got my hands on an old PC CRT, I tried to make it run 640x480 at 120hz by adding a custom resolution (nvidia card).
the test works (I can see 120 in the monitor menu), but when I try the emu set at 120hz, it doesn't, I get back to 85hz.

Apparently I have to fuck around edid because of win7...

>>2163062
Use CRU. Follow instructions from the Emugen wiki.

>>2163073
huh, which one ? black frame insertion or that custom 3840 res ?

>>2163101
Do the latter.

>>2163107
I'm not sure the monitor will accept that 3k res. it's some old iiyama 17" shit...

>>2163116
Try something lower, like 2160 or so.

>>2156143
Let it warm up for about 15 to 30 mins and find "Color Return" in your OSD. On my 19-inch Trini it's at the bottom of the "Option" sub-menu. That should restore the color quality.

Also, congrats, those 900s are god-tier

Hello all

I noticed while playing Rayman 2 (DC) that bright objects leave a light trail of color when the camera moves. It's most noticeable when playing NES and there's a fully black background. Is my CRT on the way out?

>>2163598
Mine also does that. I just turn the contrast down.

First time here, sorry. Kinda just tired of how weird my Genesis games look on my LCD.

Will a 27" Symphonic (even the manual just calls it this, sorry) get the job done fine or should I try to hunt for something better? It works, but I can't quite find how how to get it play anything though. I'm guessing I just need to find the remote or get a universal, unless one of you knows how to get it to work right with just the buttons. But since I can't try it right now I just wanted to check if it was worth it.

I know I've had the thing for years, but I don't even think I ever used it.

>>2163882
Oh, I didn't notice things right. The model seems to be a wf2702?

>>2163073
Can i ask for a link to the page you're talking about? I think i've found it, but all it does is talk about using an integer scaled resolution. Which makes sense in itself, but what do you do from there? If you create a larger, integer scaled resolution how do you get it to the CRT? I'm using an SDTV with RGBS (from RGBHV). Won't this try to sync entirely wrong?

and finally, from the wiki:
>bonus points if the horizontal res is an integer scale of several common console resolutions (3840 is a common multiple of 240, 256, and 384)

What games have a horizontal resolution like those ones? Isn't a 320x240 240p signal 240 pixels high, not 240 wide?

I'm sure i'm missing something here, but my feeble brain won't engage after work :/

>>2163882
It's a standard def CRT so your Genesis games should look fine on it. That model only has composite and coax connectors, if you get deeper into the picture quality biz, then you'd want to hunt down a model with s-video and/or component inputs.

>I can't quite find how how to get it play anything though

If you're connecting your Genesis through an RF cable, you'll need the TV to be on Channel 3.

I don't see an input button on the tv or remote, so if you're connecting it through composite, either go down one channel from Channel 1 or up one channel from Channel 181.

fuck , tekken 2 looks so good via scart

Why does the flyback whine on my monitor sometimes get really loud?
Sometimes it'll be at the normal 15kHz sound all TVs make then sometimes it starts to get really loud and then go back to normal.
Should I be worried?

>>2164370

Check the glue on the copper coil in on the back of the cathode ray tube, and post photos of it. Be sure to never touch anything.

>>2164452
I'll have a look when I'm able to.
I've had a few people tell me the coils are vibrating and making noise.
But would this still be the case if it seems to happen randomly like I said?
Usually after I have it on for a bit it starts to get louder. I can power-cycle it and the louder sound will still be there until it eventually disappears again.

It doesn't bother me it just worries me because it seems unusual and none of my other (much older) monitors have done this. I don't have any retrace lines or anything. Just this occasional louder 15kHz sound. If I'm being paranoid it is because I love my PVM.

So here's a neat little thing. An NES emulator on the Wii running on a CRT HDTV with a scanline filter.

If it looks kinda blurry (aside from the usual problems with taking camera shots of a CRT), that's because it is. I suspect this TV has severe convergence and focus issues, most pronounced around the center part of the screen.

A slightly closer look. Sorry for the terrible banding. Even with my camera's anti-banding feature, I could not eliminate it on this TV for some reason.

An even closer look. As you can see, Mario's entire sprite looks incredibly blurry. The sides of the screen look much sharper, almost on par with PVM shots I've seen here, but the center is just dreadful.

>>2164491
>>2164494
>>2164495
Oh, and the TV is a Sony KD-30XS955. It's a Super Fine Pitch model, and the little brother of the fabled XBR960.

I've had this TV for a while now (got it right around when CRT HDTVs were going to be discontinued), and it's served me well, but to be honest, it has always had this issue to one extent or another, and I have no idea if it's worth fixing it. I've spent many hours on the service menu, but all I've ever been able to do it mitigate a few minor discoloration and convergence issues.

Does anybody know if these S-Video cables are any good?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-best-S-video-cable-for-Nintendo-SNES-N64-Game-Cube-Svideo-SVHS-1-8m-6ft-/131368604399?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item1e962dd2ef#shpCntId

>father tells me I'm gonna have to help him toss his old Toshiba when I get a chance
>has been having sync problems and possibly the speakers grounding out on something
>"I think the picture tube is going"
>turn it on
>vertical collapse
It's a shame to lose a nice 32'' CRT like that, but I honestly don't feel qualified to go monkeying around in it, trying to fix it.
Not currently at least. I'd toss it up in the attic to try and work on later, but that's exactly what I said I'd do with the Memorex; Three years ago.

>>2164564
If he's going into that much depth of stating that they are wired properly, if you get them and they're not, you can very easily call him on it and get a refund.

>>2164495
Strange. It's usually edge focus that's a problem, not center focus.

I picked this Sony Trinitron up from from the street outside my apartment. It was fucking heavy to get in but it was worth it.

It has an S-Video output and I came here to ask if I would have any problem connecting my computer to it to run emulators on the TV.

Can you guys tell me anything anything in regards on what I want to do? will it work well? will I have some resolution problems? delay?

>>2164728
I wouldn't open up a CRT unless I had a death wish.

>>2164728
>I'd toss it up in the attic to try and work on later, but that's exactly what I said I'd do with the Memorex; Three years ago.

It's still better than dumping it while it can still be serviced imo. But anyway, the choice is yours.

>>2164743

CRTs are pretty easy to discharge, you just need to be careful. They doesn't zap deadly thunderbolts and gamma rays as soon as you open it, you actually need to touch some parts.

how important are operation hours when buying a crt? I'm looking at a bvm with 45,000+ hours.

>>2164875
The condition of the tube is very important if you're concerned about image quality. Properly calibrated, a professional or broadcast spec monitor with a high number of hours can look great, but what they were displaying for those hours has a big impact on that.
If they were just left idle for extended period of time, powered on but not displaying anything, those hours wouldn't mean very much; On the flip side, if they were left displaying a still image or something with still objects(news banners, station logos) you could get hit with a heavy amount of burn in. More hours in general leads to a softer, dimmer image.

Lower hours is obviously better, but it needs to be taken on a cases to case basis.
Are you able to see it in person, or is it from ebay/etc? How does it look? If you can see it in person, are you able to connect anything up to it to test it?

>>2163116

Monitors don't care about horizontal resolution

>>2164519
LEL, decided to google "sony crt center focus", and that took me to this link:

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/64-direct-view-single-tube-crt-displays/531494-sony-service-codes-articles-comments-discoveries.html#post5497529

Went into the service menu to make the recommended adjustments, and the focus is much better now as a result. Still not perfect by any means, but a far cry from the disgusting blurfest it used to be.

>>2164910
unfortunately I can't see it in person its on ebay. It looks good but I'm worried about the 46,000 hours the seller claims it has.

Are there any other Calibrators besides 240p suite on the Wii?

The only thing I can set properly is the brightness. The brightness and contrast look the same regardless how high or low they're set up.

>>2164967
Don't be. These monitors are broadcast quality tubes. They are designed to be left on all day for months, years. These things are built like tanks. Trust me, your TV will last a whole lot longer than you think it will last. These are premium parts we are talking about here.

>>2164564
>>2164728
Looks ok, as long as you're wanting an NTSC 64 cable, or know what to do with one for a PAL 64 system.

>>2164743
Oh, it's not that hard... to kill urself. lol, jst jks. If you don't plan to touch anything you shouldn't, it's pretty safe. Don't play with the power supply, the neckboard, and the high-voltage line and you can't get any nasty surprises. Even then you can discharge those parts with a heavy lead, just make sure you know how.

>>2164739
The S-Video connector on a gfx card outputs in 480i if you use an S-Video cable. AFAIK it's pretty much impossible to get it to output anything else, either 240p or 480p+ unless you code it yourself. This means that sure, you can do it, but at resolutions other than 480i things might not look quite right. Play around and see what you get.

You should just be able to plug the s-video connector in anytime, before boot, whatever, and then go into your gfx drivers/control panel and tell it there is a TV connected. It's only going to offer you SDTV with S-Video, no matter what the set can handle.

The other option is to figure out what exact S-Video/Din connector your laptop/gfx card uses. They're not all the same, and most were 7- or 9-pin. The pins not used for S-Video are used for Composite video, and Component. (And MB audio, can't remember). If you get the right adapter, you can plug your TV in using Component, and then it will give you more options. (720p, 1080i, 480p & 480i, i think). Check what the TV can handle. Either way it's going to be a slightly better picture with 480i.

>>2165183

Check the exact pin spacing for any adapter though, as that's really important! There are versions of the socket that have 7 pin-holes and 1 rectangular hole that will take Din 9 (9-pin) or Din 7 (7-pin) plug adapters. There's other version with regular pin spacing.

Note the pin spacing on this one - the middle row of four pins are irregularly spaced: http://www.ebay.com/itm/ATI-Radeon-SVID-OUT-S-Video-7-Pin-TV-Out-to-Component-RGB-video-adapter-TVCS487-/261197368082?pt=US_Video_Cables_Adapters&hash=item3cd0938b12

A regular Din-4 S-Video plug/cable will plug into all the above socket versions. If all you need is 480i this is easiest.

The other options to connect your TV get complicated.

>>2165183
I should clarify that at any of those formats (480i/480p/1080i/720p) you can set the desktop size to be about 1024x768. But the signal is only output at whatever format you select for it. Play around and find out what you like. If all you do is plug the TV in using S-Video and your normal gfx drivers you can't hurt anything.

>>2163062
Any ideas on faking EDID? IF i had an old monitor, what would it take to re-program the EPROM?

>Finally, FINALLY get cable to run PC output to my PVM
>640i setting looks good, but it almost seems like it's displaying in progressive, with very distinct and fixed scanlines

This looks kinda neat but I want to have real interlaced too...

>>2165359
>640i

Excuse me, 480i. And it's definitely displaying in a '240p' mode. This kinda sucks for videos cause any diagonal line jaggies like a motherfucker.

Time to fuck around with the modeline settings some more...

>>2165378
It's only going to display in 240p if you specifically set it to that somewhere like ArcadeOSD?

Can you give me a tutorial on how to make modelines manually, if that's what you're doing?

>>2164519
The late model XBR tubes are very very good for 1080i material. My XBR910 is amazing at smoothing over artifacts but still delivering great color and picture quality, although the convergence/focus/geometry are all slightly fucked, as one should expect from a consumer set. One day I'll get it adjusted, they are certainly worth keeping, even if the lack of native 720p support is disappointing.

But they aren't terribly great for retro games. Any input other than 1080i is going to get internally scaled just like an LCD would, and induce lag. Since it's scaled they also don't get scanlines or anything cool like that.

>>2162468
Rear projection TVs are always shit. No brightness, no scanlines. Only faded pictures and very bulky chassis.
So, what's the deal for N64s? RGB sounds like a big pain and they have sync issues as well. The N64 is my fave console, but should I just stick with s video?

>>2165403
Basically, the 640x480 interlaced and 640x240 progressive settings will display a similar output in arcadeOSD, but the internal computer resolution will be lacking all of those extra lines with the latter.

I should probably try a custom output via linux, since that's a lot easier to go about doing.

I'm not really making them manually yet, but I suspect I'll have to learn how to adjust them because some of the normal modes (especially "640x480i") have vertical overscan issues, and I have to make a big drop in the V screen size in the service menu.

>>2165406
I know about the piss poor support for retro on these HD sets. However, my particular set outputs 480p natively (of course, not all of them do), and if you can insert artificial scanlines, you actually get a pretty legit 240p-esque picture out of it.

>>2165420
That's using emulators, of course.

>>2165183

This guy >>2164739 here again just wanted to say thanks I'm going to give it a try, going to find where i can pick up a s video cable or component svideo converter and see how it goes, don't really care for higher resolution just want to play emulators with it, hoping it comes out nice. ill come back to let you know how it went.

>>2164739
This is almost the comfiest setup I have ever seen.

Picked up a Trinitron Multiscan 420GS off craigslist earlier for $10. It does 1600x1200 at 75Hz, the image looks a little blurrier than my other Ultrascan P991. Fantastic colors though

>>2165536
Thanks, there's actually another brown couch behind the computer chair, so yeah. I think it's comfy as hell.

>>2164739
Why are you using it to play PS3? Are you just testing it? Get some retro goodness up in that bitch

>>2164967
Does anyone know how many hours these monitors are rated for?

>>2157874
I had a monitor that I thought needed degaussing. The internal coil didn't work so I tried all the power drill tricks until I got a coil. That didn't work either.
I then suspected that the deflection yoke wasn't aligned. I took it to a shop where they diagnosed it for free. They told me the yoke needed to be adjusted. I had them adjust it and it solved everything. Not all discoloration can be solved degaussing.

If you want to have a coil in the future might as well try but if you brought it to a shop already and they say they can fix it then they already know it is a yoke issue.

Please, please, please help me /crt/.

Following your "RGB is God" advice I bought a SCART-enabled old ass TV.
It's driving me insane.

On the back it says it accepts PAL AND NTSC. So I tried plugging all my NTSC devices.
Black and white in all cases.
I got some RGB cables. Bingo! Color!

Now I thought it'd be PAL only and the bi-norm thing was a lie.

I got a PAL NES. It showed color, so I thought that confirmed the sentence above.
I plugged it again and it's black and white.

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH IT

>>2166141
>I bought a SCART-enabled old ass TV.
>On the back it says it accepts PAL AND NTSC
>It's driving me insane.
Damn it, what TV.
Post model no and brand.
>Black and white in all cases.
Are you using S-Video cables?
S-Video over SCART is not really standard, many TVs with 2 SCART sockets only support RGB over the 1st SCART socket and S-Video over the 2nd one (and must be enabled manually).
If you would connect S-Video to a SCART port that doesn't support S-Video then you would get a monochrome picture as the luminance (brightness signal) is passed through the composite pins and chrominance (color signal) is passed over the red channel pin.

>>2166141
also post what consoles you used.

>>2166141
and I almost forgot, post tits too!

>>2166141

What's the brand? What's the model number? Can you post photo of the front AND the back? I've never seen a TV advertising on it's back that it accept both PAL and NTSC. If you saw something about 50Hz and 60Hz in the back and assumed it was PAL and NTSC compatibility, then I've got bad news for you -- First, it's supposed to be the frequencies of the current you're supposed to feed to the PSU from your wall socket (50Hz in Euroland, and 60Hz in Nipland and the US), and second PAL and NTSC are more than feeding a 50 or 60Hz composite or S-Video signal to a TV, the way colors are encoded is totally different.

>>2165783
X4 is so great in rgb.

>>2166507
Component
But yeah.

Really should have made a save so I could go back and take some shots of Sigma. Might go and take care of that now.

>>2165148
thanks, I might jump on the deal.

Any recommendations for the best pair of speakers I can use with a bvm?

>>2165420
>>2165424

I don't recall any late model sony sets having a tube that would display anything other than 1080i natively.

http://elektrotanya.com/sony_kd-30xs955_34xbr960_34-36xs955_ch_da-4_sm.pdf/download.html

Here's a copy of the service manual, someone with electrical knowings can look through the schematics and tell you if the tube actually takes a native 480p signal.

>>2166648

I actually think the "bad" speakers of the PVMs work quite well. They are just tinny, mono speakers. Not horrible but not great either. I'd go for some old computer speakers if you are running line output.

>>2166730
BVMs don't have speakers.

Would PAL to NTSC conversion of a C64 s-video signal connected to a Commodore 1702 degrade the picture quality too badly?

>>2166730
They way the late HD sets display 480p is almost the same way SD sets display 240p. They basically scan 540 lines on the same field as opposed to 1080 on alternating fields, only they cut off the top and bottom 30 lines. So in reality, when you put 480p content on an HD CRT, it actually displays 540p, and any would-be letterboxing is overscanned.

So my CRT has this "problem" where there's an afterimage for a split second on the screen. Like, if I'm playing a shmup and white-colored shots go across a black screen, you can see a ghostly trail/streak after them that quickly fades away.

I googled "ghosting" since that's what I thought was the problem, but it turns out ghosting refers to another problem where images are in double vision or something along those lines.

Anyone know what causes this problem? Or even what it's called? It's not a deal breaker and luckily it only seems noticeable when its bright objects on a black backdrop, but if I can easily fix it, that'd be great.

>>2166823
Meh, nevermind. I'll probably be better off upgrading to a multisystem PVM.

>>2166192
>>2166318

It's a Grundig TV. Sorry about the label with the info being in spanish.

What puzzles me is that it says it takes PAL N, M and NTSC through RF and PAL B/SECAM via SCART.

Yet, I've plugged...
1) SMS and SNES through RF and they never showed any color.

2) Wii via composite to SCART adapter - it's in color for 2 seconds, then greyscale. Same for a clone Genesis - that one stays in color in 50 Hz thanks to a region switch.

3) Any RGB-capable system I have (PS1/2, SNES) plugged via SCART gives color.

Now, if it can interpret the colors correctly (as in item 2) why does it switch to B/W?

And why on earth if I've bought a spanish NES console, which is PAL B as the label says, was displayed in color and now it doesn't anymore, neither for PAL nor NTSC games?

And for the anon who asked for titties, help me out and I will.

>>2166990

Oh - all consoles were connected with RCA (composite) cables, and, except the NES, all are NTSC (american).

>>2166990
>1) SMS and SNES through RF and they never showed any color.
>>2167032
>Oh - all consoles were connected with RCA (composite) cables, and, except the NES, all are NTSC (american).

wat?

Kinda sounds like the TV is at fault. It doesn't have any way of manually switching colour/region standards?

>>2165539
Snapped a pic. I love my retrostation!

>>2164739
That's sweet that you rescued it, i've seen videos on Youtube of guys finding these, they usually work. I know everyone is flocking towards their flatscreens but c'mon, don't dump a working tv...

Anon with the Sony CRT HDTV here. After fiddling with the focus settings, I got the image to be far less blurry than it used to be. Still not PVM sharp, but it's much better now. With scanlines inserted, it is at least on par with my other CRT, a 27" SD WEGA.

>>2167278
A Toshiba 26HF84 HDTV just appeared on Craigslist in my area. Thinking about picking it up for my newer systems since it's of reasonable size and weight for me to move myself (26 inches, 80 lbs). Rather curious of this set since it claims it can display 540p as well as 1080i and it can accept 480p. Should at least be interesting to dick around with.

>>2167402
I -think- that is a multiscan set that supports native 480p. If it is, it should be quite nice for such content.

>>2166947
Phosphor decay, most CRTs have this.

>>2166804
Yeah, BVMs don't. I don't recall how many of them have an internal amplifier, but if it doesn't then old computer speakers are what I'd go for. Something similar to a PVM speaker.

>>2166859
Interesting, I need to try and do a comparison with different modes on my XBR910.

>>2167458
>I -think- that is a multiscan set that supports native 480p. If it is, it should be quite nice for such content.
Would be nice especially since I have a GameCube component cable coming in, but I'm not going to hold my breath. Already have 240p/480i capable PVM's, so the worst thing that will happen is that I'll finally have my first HDTV. Been using my roommate's LCD TV for my HD consoles

>>2167278
>standing on top of the secret block like its nothing special

oh anon

you're such a card

5 euro trinitron

is it good, /vr/ ? :^)

fuck

This thread fascinates me. Are you guys into CRTs just for the authentic retro experience, or do CRTs have some kind of advantage over LCDs that modern games could benefit from?

>>2167932
she's cute

what game

>>2167945
ray tracers, i cant find the japanese version where anime girls pop up in the corner of the screen wishing you good luck
its in the euro version but fuck 50hz

>>2167954
are you looking for a legit copy or an ISO?

if so, it's on rutracker, on this torrent http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4756818

>>2167972
Cool, thank you anon.
I never usually go to torrents for single games, if it's not on emuparadise or isozone i just assume it's not up anywhere

>>2167980
np, have fun

>>2167936

>do CRTs have some kind of advantage over LCDs that modern games could benefit from?

Yes they do. CRTs still have superior colors, contrast and motion. Even modern games will look better thanks to the vibrant and natural colors, and smoother thanks to the CRT not being a Sample & Hold type of display.

Also, there are ED and HD CRT TVs, as well as some high quality PC CRT monitors that support the resolutions of modern systems.

>>2168018
>modern resolutions.

Kind of. While widescreen CRTs exist, I have never seen one.

>>2168024

PC monitors that can do stuff like 1920*1440 and higher are easy to find, and some manual letter-boxing is pretty easy to pull.

>>2168024
My parents are video nerds so they have one. They got it a long time ago and it still works well. It's a nice picture and all, but I wouldn't have shelled out the cash for it.

>>2167164
If it does, I don't know. It may, but there's no user manual at all. I bought it used, it's old, and I don't know german.

All that Google gives me are repairing sheets...

2822, CUC5360 chassis.

Found a 20" Trinitron on Craigslist with a stand I don't need for $25

Want to grab it but want to ask them about the display's condition and the actual dimensions of it, since there's a shelf I'd like to put it in, but don't want to send a text at midnight, so I have to sit here antsy and hoping no one else beats me to it while I sleep.

Also, I've never had one before, does anyone know what type of inputs it has? The TV I'm using now for my retro setup isn't great, but it has two RCA inputs (currently house DC and Wii) and two RF inputs (Genesis/CD and NES) and I'm not sure I'd want to replace it even for a better display if I'd have to move one of my systems. I could get alternate cables for stuff, I just want it all on one TV.

>>2169160
No way of telling what inputs it has without seeing pictures or getting a model no. Don't expect Craigslist sellers to answer many questions, just ask for a pic of the front and back.

the game froze at the first pic (running off popstarter usb) but i got this cool picture

so, what do with that PoS.
I already have a crt tv, it's nothing special, it's not extremelly sharp despite my attempts at refocusing (better than before but not great)....

>>2169678
isn't that a good brand though?

>>2169414
oh hey are you the admin of that angelwave facebook page cause I just recently followed it

>>2169785
it's decent, but the model itself is nothing special, not flatscreen, regular shadowmask, pretty big for a regular 17", actual viewing diag is less...
I mean, it served well, but it's still a low end model.

>>2169831
i have over 170 screencaps of angela kinsey

Help! My Sony Trinitron is turning all sorts of hues, from green, to red, and purple, and its getting worse by the day. What do I do?

>>2169879
>What do I do?
How about to post the model no.
That would be helpful as i can look up the chassis and find the schematic of your TV.
I bet you are using NTSC with either RF, composite or S-Video, right?

Why don't HDTVs have the option of not upscaling images, or only upscaling at a fixed factor? You know, so that it would appear as a smaller image in a black window, but without stretching/distortion.

>>2169997
My mom's HDTV (a budget 768p Olevia from around 2007) actually does have an option to not upscale, so 480p images are 1:1 with black borders all around. Of course, 240p stuff is still upscaled because the TV thinks it's 480i.

>>2169997

Too niche. The average pleb doesn't care if their retro consoles look good, or even if their modern consoles work adequately.

Ignore the PS2, I am in the process of moving around my crt vidya area, and that's the only place for it at the time being.

It's been awhile since I posted a picture of my Dhoney, I have posted in the past inquiring about some things, but never got an answer.

On the back, there is a antenna port (the antenna on the tv is seperate, it plugs into the same slot, but doesn't work anymore cause analog) with a 75 (im assuming ohms) on it; would like to find an adapter that turns it into a standard port for me to screw a rf adapter or cable into.

There is also an s-video port, which is what I use maybe 100% of the time with an s-video switcher I believe is dying after a few years of use. Finally, there is a scart adapter, not sure if it does RGB as I live in the US and know nothing about scart, but i'm sure I could use a psone with a scart adapter and it would work.

What can I do to improve this area? Any good adapters? Thanks

Are any of you currently running a PVM/TV via groovymame/crt emudriver? All that fancy shit that runs games at native res? Do you actually have it working?

I'm not sure if I'm having hardware or software issues at this point. Mame runs it's menus at the correct resolution but games are out of sync and audio is waaay off speed.

This pile of junk is up for auction locally, that Panasonic worth snagging?

Sorry for the shitty pic, didn't have time to get a better look in person.

I've been fiddling with a flatscreen trinitron I just picked up recently. Going through the service menu and such. I'm trying to adjust all the different picture and geometry settings to get the best picture, and for the most part I've done an okay job, but it's not perfect.

I need some way of displaying a test image like pic related on my screen, but obviously I can't just hook up my PC to the old TV and use that. What should I do? i don't think it has a built in test image.

>>2170451
http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php/240p_test_suite

>>2170554
holy shit this is perfect, thanks

I promised somebody here a picture of my PVM in action months ago and never delivered. Better late than never, I suppose.

>>2168050
What are you sayin,g that you would shell out the cash for an LCD but not a CRT, or just that you wouldn't shell out the cash?

>>2167936
>>2168018
Also, upscaling is bad, mmk. a lot of old console up to 5th gen output 240p. Most new TV's only handle 1080p natively, or at best 720p. They will upscale anything in lower res, and the job they do is appalling. You can get around this using upscaler boxes, and good ones are expensive. CRT's designed to show 240p natively do a much nicer job.

>>2170417
one on the left looks interesting... without knowing model no's etc it's difficult to say if it's any good.

Probably picking up a Trinitron tomorrow. It's about time I displayed my games like a proper adult.

I feel bad about getting rid of my 1986 Curtis Mathes TV though. The display isn't at all sharp, only one speaker works and it's generally all beat to hell, but that thing has been my display of choice for retro games since before they were retro. I'm way too attached to throw it out, but I don't really have any other place to put it.

>>2170321
i got mine working recently with CRT_emudriver. I'm not around too much tonight, but will be back soon to read.

>>2171053
Do tell what settings VMM maker used and the modelines. I've been having a hell of a time getting mine to work properly even on the desktop, interlacing won't work properly there.

>>2171062
I was using a laptop with an X200M and crt-emudriver 9.3. I let mame discover a complete romset first, then ran VMM with the path in the ini, to get as many modes as possible.

I plugged the RGB-capable CRT into the VGA output on the laptop (VGA-4BNC with the syncs merged - not the best, but i'm going to build a simple sync combiner). Not sure how i got the display to show up initially, but I ran ArcadeOSD, click-and-dragged the menu over to the CRT, told it to lock to that (second) display, then moved it back so i can test modes and still see the OSD menu on the laptop's main desktop.

I haven't really tested out many modes i guess. What's the problem you're actually having? The modes are in the ArcadeOSD list, yes? But they don't work right?

>>2169891
Okay so its a Sony Trinitron, model number: KV-27FS100L

AC 120 V 60 Hz 180

NTSC is correct, and I have 3 consoles plugged into the back, as this tv has about 4 composite inputs, and an s video, Im sure you know this already. So one console is using S video and the other two are using the composite.

Thanks

>>2171086
Come to think of it, i'm not sure i've tried an interlaced mode through ArcadeOSD. I know they're in the list. I'll try one like 640x480 (480i) and report back.

Might be tomorrow, the wife has a friend over and they want to play boardgames tonight...

Got a couple of questions about my CRT. It's a shitty flatscreen Magnavox that I've had for about ten years.

Firstly and most importantly, it emits a rather distracting low pitched sawtooth wave sound from the tube in addition to the characteristic high pitched CRT whine. This seems to be related to the picture, because I can hear the pitch of the sound change when I switch to an input that's disconnected (black screen). I should note that this sound comes from the tube and not the speakers.

Besides that, I can also hear a low pitched hum through the headphone jack. This hum is constant relative to the volume of the TV. I'm guessing this is a power issue, but I was wondering if anyone might be able to elaborate.

Slightly unrelated and off topic is a problem I'm having with the ancient (early 2000s) satellite box I have hooked up to that TV. I've noticed that it's having some interesting issues as it ages. Most obvious is this luma bleeding effect that happens after a bright spot in a scanline (pic related is what it would look like on a Nintendo). There is also a bit of a moire effect perpendicular to the scanlines that shifts subtly as the box tunes in to a channel (visible on the program guide too). I don't really watch TV, so this is mostly a curiosity, but if someone has any idea about what could cause these I would love to hear it.

>>2170256
Don't bother trying to adapt the antenna jack for RF.

The Brionvega Doney accepts RGB through the SCART port. SNES, Genesis, and Playstation 1/2/3 all output RGB if you use a SCART cable. A composite to SCART adapter would work for VCRs or systems like the NES where composite is the best video without modding.

You have a very cool tv!

>going through giant tangle of cables from the basement
>find model 2 RF cable
>console side is fully populated with pins
The cable going into the modulator itself seems awfully thin, so I can't see it being very likely that it actually has 9 separate wires running to it, but how difficult would it be to connect it to the hacked apart SCART cable I have laying around?

The one problem I can see is I don't see the din connector coming apart very easily or going back together for that matter.

>>2171363
I just need RF for cable, not vidya lol.

The scart adapter it came with is a piece of shit; it can get video, but no sound unless i jam paper into it.

Anybody willing to show me what I need for the RF and a good SCART adapter?

>>2171495
it's a nightmare. Don't even bother, even more with those tiny plugs

A BVM-2011P popped up on an online store nearby. I couldn't find much on the internet about these models, apparently they were sold as BVM-1911 in America, anybody have additional information for this monitor?

I know that the BVM-2010 should be an older model, but from what I gathered the BVM-2011P has widescreen support, so I really can't tell how old these tubes are.

I recently uncovered a Zenith Sentry 2, seems to be 19 in. Was wondering if anyone had a clue if it's decent for playing older games on? Mostly concerning PS2, Nintendo 64, and Wii (emulating GB, GBC, GBA and SNES) all via composite. Pic related.

>>2172138
Depends on what you call decent. Will it work? Yes. Will it be good for nostalgia as it should be similar to what one would be using 'back in the day'? Yes.

Is it a good quality CRT? No. Will it amaze you with sick scanlines and amazing colors? No.

The choice is yours, and one route is much more expensive.

>>2172143
Ok thanks. I know it's not the best but just wondering if anyone knew if zeniths were good or not. I'll stick to my trinitron then.

>>2171587
After the exchange above, I'm not clear on what you actually want to do. That pic of the Doney's rear shows a standard RF antenna port, and you are holding a normal RF cable. There's also the s-video line (yes?) and your (buggy?) SCART adapter.

What's wrong, what are you hoping to do/fix, and why? Additionally, what sources are you using?

This little guy showed up at my door the other day.
Yeah it's tiny as hell, but I use it on my desktop where my consoles are, and works out pretty well.

>>2172169
I want one for portable CRT goodness.

S-video by itself is pretty great and blows my big ass Samsung CRT out of the water.
>>2172174
lol that's actually one reason why I got this one.

Component is outstanding and the colors really pop out. Too bad it doesn't do 480p, but 480i still looks awesome.

>>2172175
>12v
/vr/ in the car