/vr/ - Retro Games

There was a modern version of Layla?

damn that's a fatass

>>2113036
I still like to picture Samus with the purple hair like in the Nintendo Power comic.

>>2113036
Strider Hiryu, never cared for the whole oversized scarf shit in the modern games

My nigga.

Better than todays "generic anime teenager" look,

>>2113108
That design was just perfect, then it all went to the shiter with that shitty angry, edgy, skinny redesign

>>2113108
>>2113124
didn't actually mean to reply

>>2113108
Blame Miamoto's wife for the pretty boy approach

>>2113108
Wish they'd go back to this design for the new Zelda.

>>2113036
Better than Other M, sure, but the original ZSS was okay, and I still like Super's design over the original's.

The 80's had tons of great designs.

It's too bad artists like Toriyama, Takahashi, and Hara crashed and burned when they tried changing their style to closer match modern manga.

well if dreamcast is retro now, even if 3d sonic sucks i think the redesigns for adventure are really really good. way better than the new sonic boom crap

>>2113036
So much better than the generic blonde girl.

>>2113038
lol, Dirty Pair has competition. Is there any Clapton in the soundtrack?

I'll vouch for Ys IV: Dawn of Ys' Adol over the most recent designs (though VII's Adol is attractive).

>>2113108

Every Mario character. When they were hand drawn they had personality. Now they all went to CGI and just look like plastic lifeless toys.

>>2113108
But that image you posted is a generic anime look.

>>2113156
God damn modern manga and anime is so anaemic and shitty looking. Ken Sugimori's style went to shit too around generation 3 of Pokemon, even if his earliest stuff was just trying hard to be Toriyama's style

>>2113160
Nope nope nope. That's when sonic went full autism

>>2113108
>I hate his modern "generic anime teenager" look
>I want his old generic anime teenager look instead

>>2113234
How so? I don't read manga very often.

>>2113245
Well of course it depends on the artist's own style, I don't really read manga either but I'm not dismissing all modern stuff as shitty looking. It's just that typically old manga and anime was colourful, hand painted etc, now that it's all done digitally most stuff is anaemic, flood filled, uninspired looking

>>2113269
Forgot pic

>>2113272
You can see the life slowly draining from her eyes.

>>2113234

Look at this smug motherfucker. He actually seems like the kind of kid who engages in cockfighting

I wish nowadays Street Fighter looked more serious than goofy.

Not that I play nowadays SF so I guess it doesn't matter. Oh well.

>>2113287

>>2113272
typicalaryanjapanesegirl.jpg

>>2113269
I don't know, old anime generally looks kind of washed out. But at the same time, the art looks grittier, because it has more lines, whereas new stuff looks like it was animated in flash and is really flat. I am probably not qualified to talk about this, since I loathe anime in general, due to hackney writing and garbage genre conventions, I just really like watching oldschool handdrawn cel animation in action (in movies, where they actually animate it). Its art.

Anyway, here's mine. Redesign have big Evangelion chins. Don't like it.

>>2113234
I think Yas is as good as ever. Not vidya though.

>>2113324
>the art looks grittier

Yes, this, perfect summary of it. I grew up (sort of) watching anime at 6 AM on the Sci-Fi channel, Venus Wars and Iria Zeiram, and that's exactly what it looked like, grittier. It had so much more character to it.

>>2113295
The faces of new/redesigned pokemon characters is so weird to me, they just feel so soulless and everyone has fucking buck teeth!
Which are only cute on Bianca

>>2113339

Yes, despite the flawed changes, at least the girls are still fappable

>>2113354
I instinctively associate pokemans with the horrid/horrid looking cartoon, though.

>>2113359
Well with the way the franchise has been going as of late, I hate to say it, but it'd be safe to assume, gen 6's anime is probably a better experience than gen 6 itself

>>2113156
>Toriyama
Whats wrong with his modern stuff? It's a bit sharper but I still think it looks great.

>>2113373

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVhS5TWrkhA

looks way better than anything gen 6 has shit out

>>2113170
What did they do to him?

>>2113160
The redesigns for adventure look like stickers.
Pic related is all I think of when I see them.

>>2113379
Despite the low animation budget, the watercolors were gorgeous

>>2113036
>right leg
Was bugging me

>>2113108
>>2113242
>>2113231
Should have posted the more cartoonish looking version

>>2113391
For real. There's a reason the first season is so pleasantly nostalgic.

Anime is hit really hard by the modern use of digital art, but it's also present in western cartoons. Look at old Spongebob or Ren and Stimpy compared to newer seasons, or just anything new that's on Cartoon Network compared to old school stuff.

i think Adventure Time and regular show are pretty good shows, though

>>2113396

>>2113404
Reminds me of that Little Norse Prince film or whatever it was called made by members of Studio Ghibli before it was formed

did anybody get it worse than simon belmont

I mean goddamn just look at this

>>2113409
Wait nah, on looking that up it looks nothing like that Link design, I must have been thinking of something else

>>2113234
>Ken Sugimori's style went to shit too around generation 3 of Pokemon

Your opinion is terrible. Gen 3 is where Sugimori peaked as an artist.

>>2113234
There's a shitton of different art styles in modern mangas.

>>2113410
Castlevania's art transition is very similar to JJBA's, which is ironic considering part 1 was essentially Dracula: The manga

>>2113410
No one got it worse than Smion Belmont.

>>2113295
It seems like the same general thing happened to Link's design. Sonic too.

>>2113295
>>2113354

Pokemon rivals are the greatest villains in retro vidya IMO. From the very start when they pick the opposite Pokemon type you know that they're just a complete and utter cunt, and you want to stomp their face in every time you see them.

>>2113324
Wasn't it literally grittier due to the use of paint on cels as opposed to digital animation which uses computer imagery to handle stuff beyond the lineart?

>>2113453

I blame Gen 3 for dropping the cuntish rivals. Wally was as friendly as a rival should get. These days your "Rival" is to busy sucking your cock

>>2113160
looks like Peter Bagge drew this

>>2113038
>>2113036

Also reminds me of the chick from space cobra

>>2113108

New link is a young kind of Bishonen.

>>2113036
Samus never actually looked like that though, it was just an unlockable costume, the ending version didn't have green hair.

>>2113397
Plenty of old anime looked like fucking garbage, even famous ones, like Macross.

>>2113498
Television animation is always garbage. Being hand drawn doesn't make it good. It has always been this way, since Hanna Barbera started it off.

>>2113036
Same with Chris.
Metrosexual Leon was fun though

>>2113504
I don't know where you could have gotten such an idea

>>2113339
>That spoiler
Very true, I expected to be her trademark but nope.
Now I dropped poke and I stopped fapping to pokegirls.

>>2113535
It being a little rough around the edges like that is what makes it so endearing.

>>2113535
>Just after the wall shit ends.
>It eats the fucking salad.
Lost

>>2113535
I mean, don't get me wrong. Computer animation has absolutely no appeal and is boring and unimpressive. But that sort of thing there is par for the course in cheap children's cartoons that are glorified commercials.

>>2113547
My favourite though has to be the old Spiderman cartoon. I don't think I've ever seen so much reused animation in my entire life. It must have been so god damn cheap to make.

>>2113547
>Computer animation has absolutely no appeal and is boring and unimpressive.

I'll never get people who go around being such Luddites in 2014. Good and bad stuff can be done with both drawn/practical effects and computer/CGI. Neither is inherently better or worse, they're just tools, and considerable effort needs to be put into both to make them look good or convincing.

>>2113547

nigga do you even /3/?

>>2113547
>Computer animation has absolutely no appeal and is boring and unimpressive

Are you finished being retarded or do you need more attention?

>>2113569
This nigga gets it.

>>2113583
Thanks anon i forgot the name of that animu

>>2113391
Pokemon looked so comfy back then. It hurts the eyes now.

>>2113385
nothing lucifer can look like whatever the fuck he wants to

he's the prince of lies if he wants to be a creepy little girl he can fucking do it

>>2113442
no. just shut up. shut the hell up.

>>2113295
>>2113287
what's wrong with those giant faces?

>>2113234
I bet you'd like Ares

Koreans doin some good shit now

>>2113376
Almost every Big 3 shonen mangaka's artstyle gets shittier as time passes. Take a look at older Naruto for instance. I once heard they do it on purpose so that their assistants can draw the MCs easier

>>2113108
what isn't generic, then

hopefully something better than your "generic bait post"

>>2113752
Toriyama stuff still looks decent at least, might be because he doesn't have a big print serie ATM.

Comp-assisted drawing doesn't help also, it sterilizes drawings with no imperfections.

>>2113602
>>2113160
Classic Sonic was so likable, and appealed to everyone. They absolutely ruined him when they turned him into autism personified.

>>2113813
Their first mistake was trying to appeal to the audience of the time instead of just keeping a character that's timeless.

>>2113291
Even though I've almost never played SFIV, I was rather disappointed they went back to the somewhat ugly artstyle that game had for V. I'd much rather see 3D models based on older styles like the animated movie or cel-shaded style imitating Bengus' designs.

>>2113805
>Comp-assisted drawing doesn't help also, it sterilizes drawings with no imperfections.
Doesn't Prison School's mangaka use that? Also, One-Punch Man's artist? I like it. Anything can be good when well used.

Mario has one of the most bland and boring designs of all time. He's become the video game equivalent of Coke or McDonalds. Definitely a case of good game mechanic design and marketing making something bland looking popular I think

>>2113275
She's like a celebrity actress who's been playing the same role for 20+ years because her fans refuse to let her move on to anything different.

>>2113275
She's like a celebrity actress who's been playing the same role for 20+ years because her fans refuse to let her move on to anything different.

>>2113879
Mario at least stands out. He has recognizable features and he's not a cliche in games. Even back in the 80s, an Brooklyn plumber that jumps really high was an original concept for a video game protagonist.

>>2113907
normal nintenfag

>>2113237
felicia was RIPPED

>>2113442
God, that's some hardcore sameface.

>>2113569
You can call me names all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that its noticeable and unimpressive. I have a friend who's a weeb and tries to get me to watch a new animu every time we hang out, so I've seen a fair share of the stuff.

>>2113087
looks yandere...

This may sound intolerant or whatever but I just loved it when Link and Zelda games in general looked more European... back when Japan was really Ameriboo.

I'm not a big fan of the more Japanese style modern games. I love the Christian imagery and Greece/Italy/Spain feel and geography of Zelda 1 and 2.

>>2113242
old anime is objectively better than new anime

>another gay animu wanking metathread
Aaaand im out, losers

>>2113160
I like the fact this pose was made to be a circular shape and fit onto the CD so it looks like he's spinning around at the speed of sound

She was best

>>2113160
>DC and beyond sonic

STOP

>>2113984

>>2114012
cute sells, gar doesnt
news at 11

>>2114012
You know that's the same anime, right?

>>2113879
>He's become the video game equivalent of Coke or McDonalds.

Yeah that's kind of the point. Mario is the Coke to Sonic's Pepsi. This is a pretty common thing with marketing and whatnot.

>>2113752
>Almost every Big 3 shonen mangaka's artstyle gets shittier as time passes
Yeah, because they're trying to pump out 20 pages a week. Of course thats hinder the quality of your work. Toriyama's art definitely suffered towards the end of the boo arc but his modern stuff looks fine.
Pic related, modern re-drawn ending. Looks great.

>>2114006
>samus used to be this beautiful

I feel sad for her now.

>>2113979
But thats just Terada. That guys stuff looks great no matter what decade.

>tfw ur born in teh wrong decade

>>2114032
Thatssthejoke.bmp

>>2113376
He can't colour digitally for shit.

>>2113036
>green hair
>huge ass

is this nicki minaj???

the current skinny blonde girl is a bit bland but i like her blue body suit and that she's 7 feet tall (occasionally).

>>2114006
>>2113036
>this isn't an alternate costume for Zero Suit Samus in Smash Bros
Why bother living?

Finding out that it was actually a girl that you play as was fun and all, but I honeslty like blonde metroid better.

>>2113295
>>2113287
Sugimori's concept art really does convey a sense of boyhood, rather than the androgynous guys you usually see in anime. Sugimori!Red looks like a kid who climbs trees, catches frogs, plays baseball, and gets into fights at school.

But I think it's normal for character designs to change/evolve over time. What's stylish in 1998 isn't gonna be stylish forever. Pic related: She's looked different in every game she's been in. Yumi is always in season!

>>2113813
They toned it down around Unleashed, and it looks fine now, ignoring that shitty cartoon.

>>2113910
Great argument.

>>2113984
+1

>>2114115
There have always been in-betweeners. Past and Present.

>>2114012

>>2114039
I know, my point. Something can be dreadfully boring and usually an option when you can't think of or decide on something else, yet still immensely valuable for that very reason.
Just like Mickey Mouse, dreadfully boring, yet safe, dependable and always there to pacify our kids or evoke nostalgia trough mediums we spend our time with for other reasons than him specifically.

Where he to come out today, we'd shake our heads and go back to drinking Mountain Dew.

>>2114115
I prefer this over cg

>>2113226

I miss late 80s - early 90s Mario Bros character design so hard

>>2113984

It's pretty established by now that the reason older animes appeal more westerners is because it was influenced a lot by western media. Robocop, Mad Max, Blade Runner and all those 80s action movies are just some things that were as huge in Japan as they was in the west and anime was naturally took note.

Nowadays Japan is much less interested in foreign media and anime feels a lot more "foreign" to westerners.

>>2114184
Me too. Just as I prefer airbrushing, watercolors and oil painting over digital painting/photoshop.

>>2114197
It's not just that. A lot of us like Japanese aesthetics/mythology/history and would be fine with anime that is more Japan centric.
Problem is, much of modern day anime that isn't aimed at kids is genuine Otaku wank material/friendship simulators. It's like the worst kind of shut-ins took over at the medium's time of weakness when animation budgets became tighter and it made the transition to digital to cut costs. Even in Japan, it's somewhat of a dying/dead artform to the general public.

>>2114208
The transition to digital was nearly 20 years ago, though...

>>2114213
No, the transition began roughly 20 years ago with digital coloring and CGI for the more complex set pieces and the like.
Things being made ground up on drawing tablets is a more recent thing.

>>2113879
I just realized by seeing that pic why I hate modern Mario. He looks like a little kid cosplaying as an adult. There's something so juvenile about his face that the moustache seems way out of place. Old Mario could sport that thing with style, but the new one looks way too young to have such a thick stache. Also his general shortness I think contributes to the image that he's still a kid for me.

>>2113910
Shut the fuck up /v

>>2114245

Mario youthfullness in spite of his age is one of the many things that make him so utterly wonderful

http://www.clickhole.com/quiz/how-deep-your-love-beautiful-super-mario-how-endle-1455

>>2113752
Someone post the Kenshiro image compilation.

>>2114208
>A lot of us like Japanese aesthetics/mythology/history and would be fine with anime that is more Japan centric.
But most people aren't. Which is why even good games with clear influences from japanese culture mostly bomb in the west.

>>2113907
>Brooklyn

As someone who was born in '93 and didn't grow up with the Nintendo cartoons that still seems so weird to me.

Original Starcraft had better art design, atmosphere, and story tone and pacing than Starcraft II.

Fuck Blizzard, what happened to you.

>>2114312
At least post a pic

Squall's look in dissida is really bad.

>>2114270
This one?

>>2114042
Looks nice, but I just can't get used to colored manga.

>>2114328
still better than sc2

>>2114197

This. Old anime has a very 'international' flavor - a flavor shared by a lot of media made during the time.

New anime is far more Japanese.

>>2114338
motherfucker lookin' like Rambo in each shot.

>>2114274
Yes, but my point was that even that type of stuff isn't being made in Japan right now.

>>2114338
Yeah, that one.

>>2114332
Try the 012 model, big improvement.

>>2114338
>that neck

>>2114368
More like back then most companies only bothered bringing over anime that they knew would have some western appeal. Now they just translate most of it as it comes out and put it on streaming sites.

>>2114338
I don't like the ones where he's all jagged and angular looking. There's gotta be at least some softness if we're supposed to find him sympathetic.

>>2114435
Yeah but still doesn't look like he does in the original game. Which is also true for some of the other characters in Dissidia /012. It's not that they can't redesign stuff, I think it works pretty well in Kingdom Hearts, but I dunno, I just don't like how a lot of the characters look in the dissidia games, especially not Squall's look.

>>2114464

Tifa looks pretty good

>>2114470
Tifa and Cloud both look alright I think. Zidane and Tidus are a bit weird though. It's in the animated cutscenes they look very weird. The ingame models are not too bad, but there is just something off about them. Maybe it's just my taste though!

>>2113453
What I can't believe is that Pokemon is retro.

>>2114484
Zidane's portrait could easily be mistaken for Michael Jackson.

>>2114441
DON'T YOU HAVE A NECK LIKE THAT? WHAT ARE YOU!? A SISSY!?!?

>>2114006
Oh, would you look at that. Somebody used a very similar design in DoTE recently. This is the same game where a blond-haired, blue-suited girl with a sword is called "Sara Numas"

Hint: it's an anagram

Yeah, totally original.
Meet Mizi Kurtiz
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141027160915/dungeon-of-the-endless/images/3/3c/Mizi.png

>>2113495
iirc the green hair is caused by the palette swap from getting the varia suit. Without it the playable suitless Samus looks like in the ending (she has a similar purple outfit, but brown hair). However, the best known suitless Samus password automatically starts you with varia suit, so the green ahir is what most people remember.

>>2113394
>>2114006

> Dat jumpsuit
> Dat green hair
> Dat butt

Righteous.

>>2114168
>It's been exactly 100 since the first animation
holy shit, where has time gone

>>2113879
Marion's designs ins based entirely on making a recogniseable character with very limited graphics. He has a hat and a moustache because doing hair and a mouth with so few pixels on the sprite wouldn't work. He wears overalls because that way his arms can be differnt colour than his torso and actually visible. In that regard his designs is actually very good. They succeeded in making a recogniseable and distinct looking character despite the limitations of the system.

>>2114071
Project M

>>2113397

>i think Adventure Time and regular show are pretty good shows, though

Shut up, Tumblr.

>>2115120
Stay mad MRA.

>>2115120
>>2115127
Please
Don't
pls

>>2113287
>RIP HIS GODDAMN THROAT OUT CHARIZARD! WHAT KIND OF FUCKING DRAGON CRIES?
>Dafuq you MEAN you're not a dragon? You're a lizard that flies and breathes fucking FIRE. How are you not a fucking dragon?!?!

>>2115216
It's weird how most dragon-type pokemon don't even look like dragons.

Goodra is a fucking snail.

>>2115231
I lost my shit when I discovered fairy pokemon in X.
>Nintendo nerfed my Dragons...

>>2114104
Yeah, but I miss when Pokemon was more about giving no fucks in every direction.
>Beat Team Rocket less because they're bad, more because they're inconveniencing you/ in your way.

>>2113569
This

>Implying you would notice a well done computer animated show.

>>2114115

Oh god it buuuuurnssssss....

>>2114328
WTF Blizzard those colors, they hurt mein eyes.

>>2115249
>WTF Blizzard those colors, they hurt mein eyes.

Not man enough for EGA graphics?

>>2115260
Its just an ugly color scheme with purple/teal. That's a early version running on the warcraft 2 engine, which is a VGA game.

>>2115264
I should have said EGA "palette"

>>2113160
Sonic Boom is not "new Sonic". It's not "Sonic's new look", It's a design for one game by a bunch of Americlaps. It's like complaining about Sonic Spinball, it's going to be nothing but a bad memory when the next main Sonic game comes out. Sonic's official look is still the more or less the Dreamcast Sonic we know and loathe.

>>2113108
This, so hard. It got fucking unbearable from Twilight Princess onward. It's like he's out of an awful Yaoi manga. I hate his big dumb face so hard.

>>2113295
They're just updating it to look like current anime. Massive gooey eyes, little round baby head, looks like he fell into a gay man's closet, way lankier and more basic shading. Pretty common look for animu these days.

>>2113152
They already did.

In before you get mad at the tights.

>>2113813
>autism personified.
>>2113236
>went full autism

No stop /vr/. That's not what autism means. You guys are supposed to be better than /v/.

>>2113354
I prefer the original designs too but it doesn't bother as much as it could considering the Pokemon are the focus. If we saw Ken's Gen 1 ish designs in 3D in x and y and ORAS it would have looked amazing and would even had proportions like that. Ken doesn't even do the characters anymore though.

>>2113569
I'm watching Turn A right now and loving it. G Recoguista is amazing too. You can actually see the grittyness of handdrawn animation but there's so much only modern animation could do too, like effects and whatnot.

>>2113328
>Not vidya though.
It can count as vidya if you take his NEC work into mind.

>>2114263
>the cake mother
>she is...
>me

>>2113087
>>2114006
>>2113087

Justin Bailey Samus best Samus

How about the opposite?

>>2113124
It's quite amazing how it looked worse with each iteration.

>>2115620
the sequels got bad and badder too. MD sparkster was decent at best, SNES sparster was a fucking turd masked behind some pretty graphics and sounds.
RKA is still extraordianry fun, the other are meh at very best

>>2113504
There's a bit more to television animation than American shows.

>>2113569
Computer animation is useful and has its place, but straight-up computer animation is vastly inferior to hand-drawn animation. But it's cheaper and easier.

>>2113960
You must be confused about something here. Computer-animated anime is very uncommon.

>>2114208
>Problem is, much of modern day anime that isn't aimed at kids is genuine Otaku wank material/friendship simulators.
It's a made up non-problem. There's no shortage of action/adventure/drama/romance/ordinary comedy shows, but you people don't even know they exist. And you still somehow think you're experts on the topic.

>>2114578
I don't see the problem here if it's a shout out?

also pic related to thread snake should have stayed in glorious low poly

>>2115652
>RKA is still extraordianry fun
Played it once with no desire to return to it. Not that it was bad, just uninspired. Shooting stages are pointless padding though.

I miss the design of Metal Gear Rex from MGS1.

I like how heavy and sturdy it looks, like it could plausibly be used in combat.

>>2115657
>tfw "low-poly" snake is a usable skin for the latest MGS games

>>2115358
>It's like he's out of an awful Yaoi manga
Wow, it's like I'm really in a Youtube comments section.

>>2114115

>>2115657
>>2115753

Old anime/manga was pretty rad.
Men were real men, women were super hawt, lots of shot was gritty and cool, the violence/blood/gore looked better.

Even hentai looks better in the old style ....
I would post some examples but the only retro-lookin h-manga I have at hand is scat fetish centered.

>>2113108
?

>>2115127
epic

>>2115127
How is this one still up while the other one got taken down?

>>2116430

that DK still exists

they just dont use him much anymore

>>2116430
That's not the same Donkey Kong from DCK. The Donkey Kong from the arcade game is Cranky. Cranky is the grandfather of the current DK, which makes DK Jr. his father.

>>2113385
They let a bunch of Kamen Rider monster designers design him.
>>2113743
That may be, but it's the only time in the main series that a major deity wasn't drawn looking like either its EXACT description from its religion or an allegorical interpretation there of (a la Mara).

>>2116707

i like to think kiddy grew into chunky and just took a more appropriate name

>>2116469
You didn't get the memo that 4chan is controlled by the jews now?

>>2113949
>same face
>everyone in that image is literally related by blood

No matter how hard you try, I will never look as gay as Simon from Castlevania Judgment.

>>2113442
I just no realized that I've never seen any Jojo's stylized Persona pictures, even though ever Persona game has literally been Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: The JRPG

>>2116735
you*

>>2115810
>they molded the low poly head to have his little spit curl
>forgot to paint it brown

SO CLOSE

>>2116689
>>2116707
Mostly posted it as a joke. I love how fucked up the DK "genealogy" is and how people try to dissect it.

>>2116758
It's like the Zelda timeline

>>2116758
Well, in Donkey Kong Country 2 (I think), Cranky says that DK is his grandson, and in another game (I don't remember which), Cranky says something that suggests he is the Donkey Kong from the arcade game.

>>2116768
That's exactly why I love it. There's enough "information" for people to make sensible inferences, but none of it withstands the fundamental absurdity of the Nintendo universe. And yet people still dissect it.

>>2116759
I don't even know why Nintendo attempted saying anything "official" about that convoluted mess.

>>2113752
I still like Oda's art style, but all of his females have had serious Nami sameface ever since he married his wife

>>2115810
Fuck yeah, Ben Stiller

>>2113154
Came here to say this, basically. Bikini Samus never sat right with me because nobody in space would wear that shit. At least the Zero Suit has some Chozo handwaving going for it.

>>2113108
>implying this isn't generic anime teenager of their time

>>2113036
>Retro character designs that are better than their modern counterpart
Pretty much every character with a Japanese origin falls under this. As many will point out, most Japanese designs of their time are always very cookie-cutter. It's just that back then, the cookie was at least kind of cool. Now it's become an androgynous clusterfuck of a cookie.

>>2117218
>At least the Zero Suit has some Chozo handwaving going for it.
No it doesn't. The zero suit was just a suit. Her power armor is embedded in her not the ZS. ZS has nothing to do with chozo anything.

>>2117789
Nah, its always been a taste thing and nostalgia.

>>2115231
Dragon was never a concrete thing to be honest. It tended to be a catch all term for really strong reptiles.

>>2117920
Except the Zero Suit has light-up Chozo markings all over it and provides protection (albeit less than the Power Suit) from claws, lasers, fire, and explosives, which a bikini wouldn't.

That's the point that I'm making. The Zero Suit can at least be sort of rationalized into something Samus would actually wear under her armor. A simple bikini, not so much.

>>2113863
impossible, SF is now own by the americans, and they made that ugly art direction in IV.

Hey guys remember when my games didn't look and sound like a fucking '90's Saturday morning cartoon?

>>2113036
This is bullshit, and you know it. Zero Suit Samus looked stellar in Zero Mission.

>>2113879
I think Mario's design then was based on Popeye, which was what Donkey Kong was suppose to be

>>2116768
Well, DKC1's intro starts with him cranking a music box while sitting on the original Donkey Kong level.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhGBXPYydJE

>>2117994
No, because he looked like a fucking Saturday morning cartoon character on the side of his own arcade cabinet.

>>2117994
No

>>2114071

The ability to play as suitless Samus in Metroid one was added in the western release, same with the password system.

Justin Bailey doesn't exist as far as Japan is concerned.

>>2113391
tempted to watch pokemon
i caught a few episodes long ago, it was always very comfy, a feeling of exploring.

>>2113569
How hard would it be to fake hand-drawn animation on a computer?

I mean to get a gritty look can't be that hard in technical terms, even if companies skip it since 99% of people don't care, and some of those who do care would hate the grittiness.

3D CGI in otherwise 2D series I would have to say is an entirely different matter, and in almost all cases I've seen looks pretty poor.

>>2118610
>>2118615
You've clearly not seen the newest Pac-Man game.

>>2118634
Japan never had Justin Bailey?

That explains the nonexistent amount of art of her

>>2113190
I actually prefer the blonde zelda design to this one by a lot
>>2113237
>>2113924
I still don't get why Felicia and She-Hulk are given a pass as buff female characters but liking any other buff female character makes you a fetishist

>>2119030

Nope. I figured this out one day when I decided to play the Famicom version of Metroid.
I beat it in under 2 hours, and expected to respawn suitless, like normal.

Didn't happen, lol.

>>2113410
Honestly if you just toned down the costume a bit and made his hair not red he'd look fine in Kojima's style

>>2114328
It's funny looking back how far Starcraft departed from the Warcraft 1 and 2 GUIs to the the bottom bar GUI we are all used to now

>Samus back in Super Metroid still looked fit and was about as tall as her suit
Why did they have to start fucking things up with the zero suit?

>>2119030

She's still in the ending, at least.

>>2114006
No. This looks like absolute trash and there's no indication she looked anything like this.

>>2119172
>Meausring height from the top of her ponytail
>arguing that any of that can be considered "toned" or muscle at all
>of an old, messy sprite

Things don't work the way you think they do.

>>2119172
why couldn't they stick with no high heels.

>>2118668
>How hard would it be to fake hand-drawn animation on a computer?
In rare cases you might be unsure if you're looking at a CG or 2D character.

I think they used a CG character right at the beginning and at 0:55 here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxAxc5Ic2fM

In both cases the movement is ideally suited for CG and the character is seen from either behind or from far away.

>>2113036
>>2113108
>>2113190
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3zDMDNFpAo

>>2115838
>>2115838
Literally the only reason you like it is because anime from that era is Ameriboo as fuck.

Even here in Europe everyone lost their fucking minds for Ronald Reagan, McDonald's and everything American until we snapped out of it in the late 90s.

>>2116729
Ha, you're going to get banned shitlord.

The battle is over, the SJWs have won. Welcome to the future of 4chan, get used to it.

>>2116732
Araki's art has become way too homogenized over time, especially when it comes to characters of different genders.

>>2113036
>>2113087
>>2118634
>Green haired Samus
Fucking casuals. Her default hair color in the NES version is brown.

>>2119429
Early Gappy looked really good, though.

Better than that Nathan Spencer douchebag from the 2008 version. Dreadlocks on a white guy never looked good. And whose bright idea was it to make his arm literally his waifu?

ITT fags wearing nostalgia goggles.

>>2119637
>/vr/
>not wearing nostalgia goggles.
Where do you think you are?

>>2113385
Always the best Lucifer.

>>2113752
damn naruto used to be pretty gory at times

>>2119542
This guy is right.

>>2116735
holy shit, that's fucking gay

>>2119429
disgusting

>>2119542
>inferring anything from NES sprites

Any given sprite on the NES is limited to a 4 color palette. Generally one of those colors is used for transparency, so you effectively have a 3 color palette. After taking color contrast and such into account, the ultimate sprite color choices often had little resemblance to the actual character concept.

Some games like Megaman used sprite stacking tricks to give the appearance of more colors, although this was a tradeoff as stacking sprites ate into your scanline sprite limitats.

>>2113087
Always liked this version.

>>2119847
>Shit that I already know about NES palette limitations.
You're only proving my point though. There's no way to know how the designers of the NES Metroid intended Samus to look like out of armor, given the lack of any tangible concept art.

People who bitch about Samus not being green-haired anymore are hipsters/poseurs who only know about her because of the Justin Bailey passcode (a proven fluke by the way) and not because they fulfilled the actual requirement to unlock her.

>>2114193
Dobson pls go

>>2113984
>Makes "objective" claim
>Doesn't back it up with objective reasoning

excuse me /vr/, i was looking a for torrent to the pilgrim`s progress game, but i cant find it anywhere and i cant buy the game, does anyone know how to find it?
pic related
thanks for your time

>>2120169
Dobson doesn't like the designs from actual Mario games, he jerks it to the DiC cartoons.

>>2120232
ops sorry, didnt mean to post this here

>>2120235
This. He bitches about Peach not having red hair and Popeye's arms anymore. Despite the fact that she was never drawn that way in the promo art for the games.

>>2119903
I bitch because it's a better design than the 4 sprites you posted. No I didnt unlock her and I've never even played Metroid 1, what does that have to do with it

>>2120541
>I bitch because it's a better design than the 4 sprites you posted.
Funny, cause the first sprite on the left IS the same design, only with the hair color changed.
>No I didnt unlock her and I've never even played Metroid 1, what does that have to do with it
Thanks for further proving my point.

Also Zero Suit Samus is the best Samus.

>>2120562
Why does it matter how he found out about the design? Can't he judge how Varia suit NES ZSS looked regardless of how he discovered it it?

>>2114328
You know that this isn't BW right? Like, at least don't misrepresent the game you're saying has such great art.

(it's from an ancient build of the game, before they completely redid it)

>>2120586

Not gonna lie, I'd play the shit out of a game that looked like that. It's like an SNES port of Starcraft.

There have been seven different incarnations of Megaman, and you know what? I can't bring myself to hate a single one of them. But the original is the most iconic.

>>2113752
that still doesn't look nearly as bad as digitized comics. THOSE look sterilized alright.

And then, manga format is like what, A5?
Everything is so blurry and small on a shitty paper in those small books, I got a feeling that those scanlined translations on a wide screen made me jaded.

Great thread. Pic sort of related.

>>2113456
yeah the medium itself was grittier... but that has nothing to do with it.

Picture old 3 star wars vs newer ones. You used to be able to look at a cockpit with 400 dials, wires hangin everywhere, ultradetail everything. Now you get big shiny fisher price buttons, ect. Same thing happened with a/a

>>2114115
Are you implying that outsourced korean in-between animation doesn't exist anymore? Pause any modern anime and go through it frame by frame and tell me you don't find things similarly wrong with it. Unless it has an absurdly huge budget, which even most films don't.

>>2120646
I hate to be all "it's new so it sucks", but I agree. Zelda games just keep getting more and more cartoony, and I always had this mental image of Link as kind of a hardened peasant badass. The kind of guy who's used to fighting off wolves on his way to pick up groceries.

>>2120646
…that's Link

>>2120939
>he thinks all of those are inbetweens
I don't think you know just how shoestring MSG was.

>>2120646
You can complain about how it's executed in the actual game, but I don't know how somebody gets the left from modern Zelda games unless they're still over-the-top fuming over Wind Waker.

>>2113057

So that's where >my baby originated.

Classic Billy and Jimmy Lee > Neon shit

>>2113376
The digital colouring throws me off and he draws more angular now. Comparing this style to his older, curvy, simplified work, I like the older style more. The colours in his older work look much nicer, too. I can look at it and instantly I think "wow".

>>2121178

Fair point, I guess. But Link's always been a teenager, so the notion if him being some grizzled medieval veteran isn't that accurate either.

In that regard, I think ALttP and Twilight Princess got that aspect of his character the most correct. In both of those games, he's an apprentice swordsman that hasn't really seen any serious shit yet, but he can certainly handle it when it comes up. The entire kid timeline Link from OoT onward through all the Celda games just really doesn't compare to that. I'm not going to be all /v/ and say the games are bad because of that, but there's some real dissonance between the Link I knew growing up and the animu cat-eye midget version.

>>2115358
Link has become more and more feminine with each instalment. He looks even more like a girl in the upcoming Wii U title than he does in Skyward Sword.

yo guys are looking at Zelda II promotional material, Zelda 1 concept art actually looked like this

and yeah Im aware they are both the same Link in the same timeline

>>2116759
Never tell a Zelda timeline fan that their timeline is nonsense. They will rip your fucking throat out.

>>2121250
i liked trap link tho

>>2114578
Why would you post a url for an image on an imageboard?

>>2121260
There are always exceptions.

>>2118668
I don't know how Reconguista in G is animated, but it is a lot more hand drawn than most modern anime. It's directed by Tomino again too which probably explains why. Check those grainy lines.

>>2121271
i have no idea why anyone would play any zelda game past age 12
not even trolling, if you guys wanted something closer to nes you should check out the ys remakes or something

>>2121178
>I hate to be all "it's new so it sucks", but I agree. Zelda games just keep getting more and more cartoony, and I always had this mental image of Link as kind of a hardened peasant badass

8bit sprites are so goddamn cartoony though.

When I see Windwaker link it looks like 8bit link to me.

8-bit original LoZ Link was like a warrior version of a Keebler Elf to me back then.

Which is still more badass than later pretty girl-bait versions.

I really don't get Zelda fans and thinking the games were ever gritty.

>>2121259
That is why Zelda fans are the worst fanbase; you don't see people trying to justify how James Bond's timeline works - because in both cases, it doesn't.

>>2121364
The only Zelda game that ever felt gritty was The Adventure of Link (which ironically is the most hated game among fanboys outside the CDi trilogy). Even then, it's still kinda light-hearted compared some of the other NES side-scrollers, especially Faxanadu.

>>2121510
It's also objectively one of the best Zelda games, but the fanboys hate it because it actually tried to shake up the formula.

Which is a lesson Nintendo learned very well and proceeded to never ever change the formula again.

>>2122149
>objectively

>>2121259
Timelinefags don't even really exist anymore now that an official one is out. There was some initial bitching about the third branch, but nowadays the only time the timeline gets brought up is when somebody wants everybody to know about how mad they are about there being a timeline.

>>2122213

That's not entirely true: The timeline still comes up when some disgruntled fan that understands basic causality starts griping about how he'd said for years that there had to be a third branch in order for the split timeline to work, only for the splitfags and linearfags to drown him out over and over with claims of "lol dats stuipd you dont kno anything fag shut up" before resuming their inane pissing contest. Then, lo and behold, the truth finally comes out, and it's just like the disgruntled fan said, but nobody acknowledges him anymore because Nintendo said it and not him.

Not that I'd know what that's like, or anything.

>>2121509
>you don't see people trying to justify how James Bond's timeline works

Actually people have.

So uh...

>>2119429
>who is the guy in drag here?

>>2122213
>>2122227

Actually, the thing people bitch about is the "Link dies" portion of the timeline.

>>2119542

And?
Liking green haired Samus over brown is the equivalent of liking the power suit over the varia suit.

Its still a retro design and its still part of the game.

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>>2122229
That's not possible.

>>2121509
>>2122229
>>2123771
My headcanon has always been that "James Bond" is a codename, and whenever Bond dies a new spy inherits the name and all that it implies.

>>2119542
>liking shit brown

Infinitely superior to any 3D rendition.

>>2123813
Didn't the latest movie imply this is actually the case?

>>2114012
>>2114168

>>2115797
>seeing my post has been screenshotted for /m/ prosperity
Thank you anon

I wish the mature samus would come back.

>>2113160
I love both genesis and dc sonics, but genesis will always be more special to me.

>>2127003
I remember she had a similar look to this in the first Metroid Prime game as well. I much prefer it.

I just discovered the best Metroid password ever.

HITLER WAS---
RIGHT- ----0p

>at Tourian with 200 missiles, five energy tanks, and every suit powerup

>>2127375
300+ hours on the clock though. That kinda ruins it.

>>2127375
lol that's funny :^)

>>2113108
I liked him when he was a Brunette and a christian.

>>2119172
so does like, the suit rip her arms out of the socket when she puts it on, or like, are her elbows supposed to be where the shoulders are

does it like peel her open when it cyber-integrates with her to spread everything out

>>2128801
Well in some arts like these you can see at the lowest part of the shoulder has some black casing which I think is where her arms really are and the shoulders are just further out

>>2113287
Good morning, Crono.

>>2128687
Is he too effeminine for you now.

>>2127003

Oh god. On one hand the head sculpt is really nice. On the other hand trying to parse her anatomy to fit the suit makes her into a goddamned freak of nature. She'd have shoulders like 3 feet wide at the minimum.

the ass was fat

>>2131357

>>2133924
She's hella curvy.

>>2115683
Heavy big ass cannon
Dunno what the cable is for since it could've been internal instead.
crotch laser is there

Would totally want to see as a mass produced MG.

>>2121224
Its Bimmy

>>2121224
>There will never be a modern Double Dragon game that accurately reproduces the concept art for the first NES game.

>>2134489
le epin maymay, bro xD :^)

>>2134494

>MayMay

Please die, underageb&

>>2134501
But Bimmy is a maymay? What better way to show your appreciation for an 80's beat 'em up series than to post "Bimmy" everytime somebody mentions Double Dragon? :^)

>>2134493
Holy shit

>>2121224
I still think Neon was just jumping on the Neo-80's bandwagon than it was a re-imagining. About the only 80's thing DD had was the fact that it was made in the 80's, '87 to be specific. It had more games in the 90's than in the 80's, also. If you consider Rage of the Dragons to be a DD game, then it's also one in the 2000s.

That would be like rebooting F-Zero and making everything garishly 90's with tribal patterns and geometric shapes, including the completely unnecessary usage of orchestra hits.

>>2119847
You DO realize that it's the hardware that shapes the game, not the other way around, right? Mega Man was chosen to have blue armor because the NES had plenty of blues, as well as greens, and it was a design choice that stayed.

>>2113036
Young Samus is still best Samus.

>>2134590
F-zero X is 90s as fuck.

>>2134654
Not really, it has more of an 80's look to it than anything.

>>2134619
Nice mole
for me to poop on

>>2113410
Doesn't look too bad. Looks better than bearded emo hipster Simon from LOS

>>2134590
I don't know why WayForward felt the need of turning Double Dragon into a parody of itself instead of simply making their own cheesy neo 80's themed beat-'em-up. I mean it was better than that shitty Korean "remake" of DD2 that came out at the same time, but I expected something better than Billy and Jimmy redesigned as surfer dudes who fight a Skeletor clone.

>>2119637
Better than whatever hipster shades you seem to have on

>>2113979

Yeah I also enjoy jrpgs looking at Western fantasy. I think what worked well with stuff like Zelda is since it's not THEIR culture, they take it less seriously, have less emotional attachment to it and played around with the aesthetics without fear, thus we got a lot of creative and innovation instead.

>>2116707
>>2116758

I just realized the DK family makes no fucking sense, but then again I'm pretty for sure apes don't actually keep good track of these things in the first place so really who the fuck knows.

>>2120232

The protagonist looks like a faggot where the enemies look bad ass as fuck, what is this game?

>>2135243
Skeletor was arguably the worst part of that game. Only good part of Neon is the music, really. No Easy Lover to be heard though.

>>2135323
i dont get the bitching at new pacman, they only changed the eye color

the new cartoon is FAR better than the 90s crap

>>2120362
That's Toadstool.

>>2134493
Was there a Double Dragon manga back in the day?

>>2113226
This is more of a problem with EAD than anything.
When Sakurai renders Mario characters they look great, the 2D art for the new titles is as good as ever and some of the spinoffs like Luigi's Mansion and Strikers still have a lot of charm to them. Something about the way the main team renders the human characters makes them look like action figures.

It's particularly bad in 3D worlds rainy levels.

>>2113540
>rough around the edges

>>2128801
Like this

>>2113226
All CGI is lifeless, even Pixar.
>>2136405
3D World was a aborted 3DS game that was supposed to to come out in July but Iwata delayed it to November and move it to the Wii U just so that the Wii U can have a killer app for the year.

3D World's code is even done 100% on the Cortex A8 (the Wii U's OS chip, it uses a duo core version of it) just to make the port from ARM11 to Cortex A8 easier.

>>2123829
Not just implied but reinforced. After all, Moneypenny became M. And then she died, and Ralph Fiennes is now M.

But at the very least, in Skyfall, his actual name IS James Bond. Likely a coincidence in the overall canon, though.

>>2137172
>even Pixar.

Pixar has an horrible overused style, so it's no surprise that you find it lifeless.
But saying that ALL cgi look lifeless, it's plain fucking stupid anon; with all due respect.

>>2137180
Bit I'm not the one to say it, that came from NeoGaf.

>>2137180
The best CGI is often background or scenery work. There's this movie called The Others which might as well have been called Green Screen Screams since almost anything that wasn't a flesh and blood actor was fakery.

>>2113141
It wasn't Miyamoto. It was the OoT artist's wife.

>>2113234
Yeah, older manga art tends to be more fun because it doesn't have the same amount of belts and giant accessories.

>>2134619

>>2113237
Hot Cat Muscle

>>2119738
Whyevenbothertier

>>2113141
Does anybody else like both? I think each style has its strong points

Original: Link looks like a Fukumoto MC. He's somewhat awkward, and maybe even clumsy. Truly an underdog with the odds stacked against him. It really sets the tone for how grave his scenario is, and gives a sense of satisfaction as one watches him grow stronger and stronger.

Anime: He's part of a beautiful world. OOT/MM environments are the stuff that dreams are made of. Everything's gorgeous, and the player feels compelled to stay in this world and explore its wonders as much as possible. It's a literal fantasy

Always preferred the way he looked in the X series over the way he looked in the Zero series.

>>2143008
i cant get over the blue lights tits

>>2119429
He has pretty clearly recognized it, and been working to add variety again, though.

>>2113324
Oh god this game. The look on my moms face as she walks through the living room while I (9 or 10 at the time) was watching a cutscene of a fully nude Luna emerging from blue shiny stuff. Priceless.

Think this was the first fictional character I ever had a super crush on. Or possibly Riku from Phantasy Star 4.

>>2142035
Buff women with broad shoulders were a really nice trend, I love it. Too bad that it will never come back because everything is about patite animu waifus nowadays.

>>2119169
I think they were just following the norm for RTS after 1997.

Maybe having menus at the bottom was inspired by the introduction of the Start Menu with Windows 95.

>>2143123
I agree. It especially makes sense for zora women to be broad-shouldered, since they swim.

>>2113354
They look gansta as fuck.

>>2143008
Zero's design is sleeker.

>>2119903
>super metroid suitless samus

to this day that mess of golden hair and that incredible body with that outfit gives me such boners