/vr/ - Retro Games

Man, I wish fu11chan had a /vr/ board...Those are beautiful pics, OP. What monitor are you using?

>>2125030
Disregard that, I suck cocks. I just noticed the text at the bottom there while sending the image to a friend.

>>2125016

The Elbe 14" TV shot look particularly gorgeous.

>>2125030
The SJWs don't really bother on this board, no real reason for leaving to that other place. At least not for retro gaming.

>>2125041
The hantarex looks better , it looks just as i remember the game in the arcades

There's a Sony pvm-2130QM on ebay now at £250, is that normal?

>>2125185
It's high but there's a huge price disparity on PVMs.

Just wanted to show off Shinobi 3 looking sexy in RGB on my Sony PVM-1340. That is all, go about your business.

if you play a PSX game on a PS2 with component cables, will it output to 240p or 480i? My multiformat PVM (14L5) reports the signal as "Component 480/60i" when you turn it off and on and a PSX game is running.

>>2125664
Probably both, depending on what's being displayed. A lot of times, menus will be in 480i, but actual gameplay is 240p.

>>2125701
>probably both
I still remember playing FFX with component. Super crisp, bold menus that popped off the screen. Combined with the deficiencies of the PS2's 3d graphics laid bared. Horrible aliased graphics everywhere. I went back to composite.

I run component always now, though, because my PS2 is basically a PS1 since I don't play PS2 games anymore.

>>2125664
240p
240p is likely just read as 480i by the PVM, since it technically is the same signal format.

>>2125701
>>2125720

thanks for the info. Now I just need to figure out a better placement for my 14L5, unlike LCD's with their fancy stands, CRT's need big ass books as stands for viewing as monitors.

>>2125023
>If I see that booger ONE MORE TIME

Here's mine.

Eh, ok I'll bite.

Wega KV-32FS120

>>2125860
Yep, just like in the good ol' days.

I haven't used a CRT since the end of the PS2 generation, but looking at these images gets me off.

I actually have one CRT left in the house: a 32" Sony FD Triniton WEGA. We left in the "play room" where the kids watch so it has taken quite a beating. Felt marker all over it, silver scratching off, front panel (hiding the buttons and a set of inputs) missing... I kind of regret it now.

I feel like stealing it back and replacing it with a cheap LCD. I wonder if there's any hope restoring it.

>>2125890
Pretty much same here. I dug out my CRT I had shelved when the 360 came out a year or two ago and its like night and day. All the games that I remembered looking great but looked like shit on my LCD screens DO look great on it.

>>2125729
I have a small(ish) red stand that I plan to use for my PVM at some point. Has a raised area in the front which should angle it perfectly for a barstool type chair.

>>2125890
As long as they haven't abused the tube itself, it shouldn't be too bad. A bit of elbow grease can go a long way with cleaning up a CRT.

>>2125878
>DBZ
>Adult Swim
>Makankosappo closed caption

Wait, what? Did they actually air the Japanese version at one point?

>>2125991
>>2125878
Yeah that's quite baffling

>>2125991
>>2126052
Ah, it's from Kai. Started airing on [as] a few weeks ago. I took the pic to show how goofy the aspect ratio is.

are Sony BVM's multiformat? how does one even know what to look for in the specs from google as to what part tells you it's multiformat

>>2126072
Huh, that's weird. From what little I've watched of Kai I could've sworn they kept the dubisms ("Special Beam Cannon", "Tri-beam", etc.)

>>2126082
Usually, the bezel will have "MultiFormat" written in the top right corner.

Looking at the specs, if it says it can do 480p, 720p, and 1080i, it's multiformat.

>>2126086
what if a CRT's back picture clearly shows "component" labeled? Doesn't that mean it supports 480p? By multiformat I just mean 240p, 480i, and 480p

>>2126110
No. Component doesn't mean 480p, HD, or anything at all related. It is just a better, clearer signal than composite is.

Trying to decide if it's worth it to chop up one of the RF modulators I have laying around to make a composite+mono audio cable for my Model 3 Genesis. I'm wondering how much of a difference the removal of the modulation would have on the picture quality.

>>2126110
No, component can be used for both SD and HD signals. There are many SD PVMs that have component.

>By multiformat I just mean 240p, 480i, and 480p
If it supports 480p, it's going to support the other two as well.

so how do you tell if a CRT supports 480p? For example for this monitor and it's info here:

http://www.broadcaststore.com/store/model_detail.cfm?id=11999

They usually don't mention pixel resolutions it accepts, as back then that wasn't part of the marketing

>>2126130
CRTs don't have pixels.
That model does not support 480p.

If you'll look here: http://www.broadcaststore.com/store/prod_detail.cfm?eq_id=502665 , not only does it mention that it's MultiFormat as well as the resolutions it supports, it gives the sync range that the set is capable of.
15.6khz is SD 480i/240p
31.2khz is 480p
~33-34khz is 1080i
45khz is 720p

>>2126146
>They usually don't mention pixel resolutions it accepts
>CRTs don't have pixels.

CRTs do have pixels, not the kind we usually talk about when it comes to computer graphics, nor the same kind as LCDs ones, but they still have them (they're the reason why this word appeared in the 50s/60s).

>>2126146
>>2126130
>They usually don't mention pixel resolutions it accepts
>CRTs don't have pixels.

CRTs do have pixels, not the kind we usually talk about when it comes to computer graphics, nor the same kind as LCDs ones, but they still have them (they're the reason why this word appeared in the 50s/60s).

But anyway, like Kya said, you shouldn't rely on resolutions when it comes to CRT monitors (that aren't PC ones), but rely on the various Hsync ranges it is capable of.

do BVM's also list multiformat in their bezel? What are other multiformat CRT's?

Decided to pop my Battletoads PCB into my Astro City for the time being.

Might take more shots of various PCBs running in this cab, probably with more view of the cab. Any game people would want to see in particular? I have a handful of popular games.

>>2126171
>CRTs do have pixels, not the kind we usually talk about when it comes to computer graphics, nor the same kind as LCDs ones, but they still have them (they're the reason why this word appeared in the 50s/60s).
No.

Pixel refers to an addressable picture element. The phosphor pattern on a color CRT is not addressable.

>>2126214

Pixels on a CRT aren't addressable by the computer or such, but they are by the electron gun.

Well, that was an hour or so down the drain.
Don't know whether the RF switche's cable was just screwy, or if the RCA cables were fucked, but I just couldn't get a proper image. What's really weird is that only part of the audio would play if the video line was disconnected.

Got a neat photo or two of it before the pins on the console side up and snapped.

>>2126185
Yes.

>>2126198
I'm happy to see anything, but what do you have?

>>2126236
>Pixels on a CRT aren't addressable by the computer or such, but they are by the electron gun.
No. The electron gun does not "address" anything.

CRTs do not have any notion of "pixels". They have a phosphor geometry, a raster mode, and a video bandwidth. Nothing on them is individually addressable besides the inherent lines and frames of the raster.

>>2126274
The CRT alone does not have pixels. The video system as a whole has pixels.

>>2126130
Kya's set, the 20L5 is multiformat, the PVM-1954q is not. It's an older set, probably from around '93 '94, when the HR Trinitron had a 600TVL resolution. Still a very nice set, if it's in reasonable condition.

>>2126304
>tfw no 20L5
>tfw no MultiFormat set in general

>>2126274
>>2126283
>>2126214

>the smallest element of an image that can be individually processed in a video display system

The smallest part of the picture that can be processed on a CRT are the 3 secondary color dots that form the pixels.
It doesn't matter if they're addressable or what, they are processed by the electron gun that defines the intensity of red, blue and green according to the analog video signal that is fed.
I can understand that we don't often talk about pixels of a CRT because they aren't directly accessible from a computer or a video game system (at least on shadown mask CRTs. I think you can try to do it on an aperture grid monitor if you know the exact number of TV lines available and use a resolution accordingly), but let's not deny their existence.

>>2126335
You can't address them individually because the beam positioning isn't accurate enough.

For my PC i switched to LCD long ago

Anyone know if I should run my lcd monitor it at 75mhz or 60mhz like I've been doing?
apparently it has 16ms delay
I just use it for emulation like MAME and games i dont have

>>2126335
The definition of a "pixel" has changed with the invention of digital signal sources and then the prevalence of fixed-resolution displays has cemented it. It's natural, in hindsight, to attempt to apply the modern definition to old displays but even by the transitional period, CRT hard resolution was being described in more specific terms like "dot pitch".

Waaaaay back, manufacturers popularized the term as a consumer-dumb way of saying their tubes had better density than their competitors. I have a little consumer 5" color CRT that I play Famicom on with pretty laughable resolution. Even though it's displaying a 240p signal it's very clear that there aren't 320x240 shadow mask triads much less 640x480.

I can post some pics of it though if anyone's interested in looking at something tiny, cute and decidedly retro.

>>2125208
i'm blind.

>>2126308
>tfw 20L5
I have one issue with it though. If you set the geometry for 240p then the 480p will be off. I need to sacrifice something. I guess since this is my only monitor capable of 480p I'll set the geometry to 480p and deal with the 240p overscan. If I don't like it I have plenty of 15KHz sources.

Does the 240p test suite have a real 480p mode? I know it can do 480i.

I have yet to dig deep into the 20L5's menus. Maybe it has multiple geometry settings in there somewhere. That would be cool.

RF->Composite from a Model 3.

>>2126412
>tiny, cute and decidedly retro.
Go for it.

>>2126453
The Wii homebrew version has 480p scaled mode.

how big\significant is the step up from composite to SCART ?

Is RGB color input possible here through BNC? Only see one BNC in. Probably only with s-video right?

>>2126482
forgot pic

>>2126463

>>2126479
SCART is simply a connector. It can carry anything from composite, to s-video, RGB, and even component in some cases.
The jump from composite to s-video is quite sizable, with s-video to RGB being considerably less "breath taking". That said, composite to RGB can be one hell of a leap in quality, especially if you're upgrading the TV/monitor you're using at the same time.

>>2126483
Video A is for composite video over BNC., Video B is for composite video or S-video over BNC; No RGB.

>>2126493

>>2126479

If your SCART cable carry RGB, it will be a huge improvement over composite, even on a consumer TV.
If your SCART cable carries composite only, then nothing.

>>2126482
>>2126483

Look like composite and S-Video only.

>>2126494
RGB scart in this case (euro here)
its funny how we had this standard available but a lot of consoles just came with composite cables and a composite to scart adapter

>>2126496

>>2126497

Depends on the console and the country your were in. Here in France, we had actual RGB cables with the early NES models, the SNES, the Master System, the Megadrive, the SODIPENG-imported & modded PC Engines, the Playstation, the Saturn and the Dreamcast, when it comes to /vr/ systems.

>>2126495
Now that is neat looking. Photos of discrete phosphors are always nice, be it just extremely zoomed in/focused or low resolution.

>>2126497
In all likelihood to cut costs and to go for maximum compatibility/least troubleshooting.

>>2126498
>>2126496
thank you anon !

>>2126497
Consoles seemed to always ship with the minimum cable required. Even the seventh generation shipped with composite cables.

>>2126084
The Nicktoons version did, the uncut DVD version used Makankosappo

>>2126504
I think the reason is because the video standard here was SECAM, which is close (but not identical) to PAL. Not all tv could display PAL, even through composite, the only surefire way was to use RGB+Sync with the SCART input.
The NES wasn't true RGB however, it just took composite signal and converted it to RGB.

Does anyone here have or plan to buy a CRT projector? I'm probably going to save a couple hundred and get one for my new apartment.

>>2126664
I have one. Haven't had time to install it though

>>2126628
>which is close (but not identical) to PAL
Wrong.
SECAM uses frequency modulation and works very different.
PAL and NTSC uses quadrature modulation, what makes both different apart from the frequencies is that PAL alternates the phase on every 2nd scanline and the TV makes use of that to get the correct color and eliminate the need for tint/hue adjustment

>>2126628

True, SECAM was what motivated the manufacturers just to ship an RGB cable, because why would they make a new revision of these console for a country that isn't the home market (Japan) and that didn't have the importance of the USA?
By the mid-90s, every TV could accept PAL, and by the late 90s, PAL-60 and even NTSC for some, and some consoles where shipped with composite cables (the N64, some Playstation 1 and 2 models).

Also, >>2126673 is right, SECAM is totally different.

>>2126453
>If you set the geometry for 240p then the 480p will be off.

I'm 99.9% positive the geometry settings between 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i are completely seperate from each other.

>>2126749
Do you know if there are separate menus or do the values just change automatically when you switch resolutions?
I'll have to check after work.

>>2126790
I'm too busy to check right now but as far as I remember, the values automatically change as soon as the format is changed.

Same goes with overscan and underscan modes, which each have their own individual values you can change.

>>2126952

How long until we can accurately simulate CRTs on modern displays?

>>2127183

When there will be an actual display that will be an improvement over CRTs, thus making them unneeded. That means not until they make something better than everything we have nowadays.

>>2127183
When you have high enough resolution to simulate the actual display of a CRT. It takes a hell of a lot higher than 4k to do this.

>>2127183
The response and particularly the contrast offered by CRTs is still orders of magnitude better than any panel type display.

>>2127240

And then you still have the inferior contrasts and color rendition problems.

>>2127247
That's a given. Plasma and LCD-OLED displays of today are way better at color than washed out shit from 2004. I'm assuming that it continues to get better.

>>2127183

OLEDs. More R&D is needed of course but that will most probably be the dominate display tech going forward.

>>2127258

Contrasts haven't improved with LCDs, Plasma is dying, and they still have to deal with basic Sample & Hold issues with OLED. It will take time.

>>2127261

I doubt they will, the lifespan of these won't be worth the investment.

>>2127283
OLED is a type of LCD, though, so it kind of has.

>>2127283

>I doubt they will, the lifespan of these won't be worth the investment.

14,000 hours until half brightness is 5 years of use at 8 hours a day, every day.

That's half the worst lifespan of LCDs. But, experimental OLEDs have achieved lifespans of 198,000 hours on green OLED, and 640,000 hours lifespan on blue oleds.

It's possible to make OLED displays live far, far longer than they currently do.

>>2127312

62,000 hours for blue, my bad.

>>2126952
This is like staring at god

>>2126952
Looks like the blue phosphor will give out first. Red's normally last.

>>2126794
This. At least, the older PVM's back to the PVM-XXM's do it that way. You set the levels for each input source while using that source. Or in the service menu.

>>2127198
OLED is nice, you just have to buy a new monitor every two years because they burn out fast.

>>2128138

I bet you still think plasmas burn-in just by turning them on.

>>2128196
i've seen the nasdaq bar burned into so many televisions it's sad. Happens to any tv really. Any broker will have a nasdaq tv with the bar rolling, sometimes 5 or 6 in the same room. They don't give a fuck, yet they insit on buying top-of-the-line since rich as fuck... it sucks but man i'm telling you, it will happen to any tv in 2 years if they are on all day every day.

>>2128234

Yes. Burn-in can happen to any TV. It happens most often when you leave a static image on screen for 10+ hours a day, every day, for years.

>>2126256
Both Turtles games, Simpsons, Splatterhouse, Makaimura, SFII (WW, CE, Dash Turbo), Nemesis (might be conversion but end result is same), Gradius II, Salamander, Gradius III, SonSon, Aliens, ESPGaluda, the two Rockman games, Mortal Kombat, and a number of others.

>>2128325
I wouldn't mind seeing the Rockman games(I'm assuming Power Fighters/Battles) just to compare to what they look like on my PVM.

Turtles and any of the Gradius games would be neat as well.

Found some models 2030 and 2530 pvms on a craigslist ad near me. Can these support RGB in? The pictures had wires obscuring the back.

>>2128340
Yes, both the 2030 and 2530 support RGB, via a 25 pin d-sub "CMPTR" input.

>>2128340
Yep, the 2030 and 2530 accept RGB through a 25-pin D-sub connector. Retrogamingcables has a scart adapter for it.

I've had a 2030 since August and it's a great monitor. There's no OSD though, and all adjustments have to be made manually which sucks for amateur crt enthusiasts.

>>2128345
Alright. This will be my first PVM, but with it being possibly $40 and in really nice looking condition, I feel like this is as good a start as I can get.

>>2128345
>manual adjustments bad for amateurs
Actually I think manual adjustments would probably be easier for amateurs to learn on.

Just found this in a thrift store. Any info? It has rgb

>>2129128

>>2129132

>>2129132
That is quite a fucking thing, however it's almost certainly HD and would upscale 240p to 480p. I'd still buy it if it was $20 or less.

>>2129128
Wow, I actually have one of these. My dad got one in the 90s but they seem to retailers. He called their office and had one shipped, they thought we were a company because they didn't really do individual consumer sales

Anyway, kick ass monitor. Heavy as shit. Something blew out in ours and the left and right sides are squished. Test it before you buy for visual issues.

>>2129197
>something blew out
You can probably repair it and restore it to operating condition.

>>2129202
It's functional, just squished slightly. Its acceptable for games still. Trying to find a picture I took a few months ago. Also I have no knowledge to fix it

>>2129187
>>2129197
Thanks a lot, guys. There is absolutely nothing about it on the internet.

>>2129128
>>2129132
>>2129139
That's a cool monitor. Apparently it does 1080p?
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/25-hdtv-technical/1084037-huge-mistake-bought-hd-monitor-no-dtv-tuner.html

I can't seem to get a head-on photo of a TV; its not easy.

I just pulled my previous gaming PC out of the cupboard, and it has an Nvidia 8800GT with a mini Din 7 out, for which I still have the Component and S-video adapter.

I see a bit of talk on here about using older AMD ATI cards to output 480i (and thus 240p as effectively half of that). How about using the above 8800GT? Anyone know how i'd go about setting it up to give 480i natively? How about using it as a second, separate GPU - can i run two different drivers for two different cards out putting to different monitors?

Sorry for the newbie question
My brother gifted me a tv of his
A 29 inches Philips real flat crt tv
Model 29PT5645/77

Is there a way to know its maximum resolution? I cant find it in google
I guess it should it be 480p or could it be 720p since it is flat and a mid 00s tv?

Is it a good tv for retro gaming, or should I get one with a curved screen?

>>2130360
Depends how retro. It's probably 480p at least, if it's flat. A lot of models like that had the word "Progressive" somewhere. Or else, if it's HD/720p, it probably says HD on it somewhere. 720p is not very good for retro purposes.

A 480p TV is good for GC and Wii (and maybe for Dreamcast, Xbox (original) and PS2, if those output 480p; i'm not sure if they do). Just make sure you use component cables so you can get a good signal. (An older white Wii is your best bet for GC games, as a genuine GC component cables cost the earth, whereas Wii component cables are cheap as chips on Ebay).

A 480p TV is probably not the best for any console older than the above, as it will take a 240p/480i signal and upscale/linedouble it. This creates lag and can make games feel slightly weird to play.

The exception here is any set that's describes itself as "Multiformat" and those will natively handle 480i or 480p, and sometimes more.

Are there any recommended crt model/brands to get for playing ps1,ps2, gamecube and snes games?
Are all crts the same? Should I be looking for specific keywords?

>>2130371
>29PT5645/77
Thanks, I thought crts had no input lag no matter the resolution "CRTs don't have "pixels" in the same way that modern displays do. In a 1080p panel, there are 1920 horizontal pixels and 1080 vertical pixels; that number never changes. As a result, fixed-pixel displays need to do some heavy processing to handle inputs at a non-native resolution. CRTs don't have that problem--their maximum resolution is only constrained by the number of lines they're designed to support. This is also why CRTs had no input lag but modern displays can be delayed by a frame or two" http://www.tested.com/tech/gaming/456719-best-crt-retro-games/

Although I guess snes games look uglier or wrong in tvs that output at higher resolutions, even if they are also crtvs.

>>2130389
Well, it's also true that even a linedoubled image on a 480p CRT can look pretty sweet. The colours may still be much nicer than on an LCD. For most games you may not notice the lag.

>>2130386
read
>>2130371
Brands you know are good are good. Sony is probably at the top of the list but NEC is great too. You're also probably looking for a TV, not a PC monitor.

>>2130386
>>2130404
Oh, and PVM's are the shit, after BVMs. Those are Broadcast- or Professional Video Monitors often used for TV production. Higher quality, brighter, more vivid phosphors (=colours), more options, more input choices (RGB/Component and S-Video) and higher resolution (which kinda mostly means clarity here - keep reading the CRT thread and search for it when it refreshes).

google.com.au/search?q=pvm&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=N7iSVI7pMKO2mQX25IBQ&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1497&bih=794#tbm=isch&q=sony+pvm

They're heavier, and made on the cube to mount in video racks in TV studios, swivel mounts in hospital imaging suites, etc. They're robust, and often in great condition with a beautiful picture after decades of use. They're also becoming popular as more people find out about them. Good 20" sets go for $250+ on Ebay in the US, UK and ANZ.

>>2130371
PS2 supports 480p but it is very limited.
There's a couple that even support 1080i. I really have to try those out on my 20L5.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_2_games_with_HD_support

If there is a multiplat 6th gen game you want to play in 480p but the PS2 doesn't support it then most likely the Gamecube version supports it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_GameCube_games_with_480p_and_16:9_support

>>2130308
>http://www.avsforum.com/forum/25-hdtv-technical/1084037-huge-mistake-bought-hd-monitor-no-dtv-tuner.html
If someone wrote a special driver for the 8800GT, sure, you could use it. I don't think anyone has though.

>>2130530
Note: Gamecube component cables are rare and very expensive since, as a cost cutting measure, the Gamecube doesn't have the progressive scan hardware - it's in the cable.

Further note: Wiis DO have it and can play Gamecube games in 480p with regular cheap component cables.

Additionally: You will find some people online claiming the progressive scan output of GCN games on Wii is poorer than a real GC with the rare Component or VGA cables. Personally, I think that's subjective bias of the testers who want to feel "elite" from having rarer hardware, similar to the claims that a modded SNES mini outputs better RGB than a 1chip.

>>2130546
soft15khz should work with an 8800gt

>>2130371
I don't think flat has anything to do with HD. Both of my flatscreen CRTs clearly say "standard television" on the back.

>>2130565
I will have to get one of those cables at some point. It's the only way to play GBA on a CRT with good video.

>>2130780
Indeed, if we're talking about playing with real hardware. However, keep in mind the GBA player only outputs in either 480i or 480p, so if you wanna avoid interlacing, you need either a multiformat BVM or a CRT HDTV.

Emulation on a PC CRT, meanwhile, is much easier and cheaper.

>>2130780
Pretty sure Swiss can force 240p over S-Video, should you want to go that route. Progressive scan with GBC/GBA games is one of the biggest attractions of the component cables in my mind, and $20+shipping for http://us.codejunkies.com/Products/GCNWii-SD-Media-Launcher__EF000589.aspx is much more affordable than the ridiculous price they're asking for DOL-009 and 010 cables these days.

>>2130565
While the Mini vs 1chip argument is just plain silly, since the Mini uses the exact same package, I remember someone doing actual tests showing the GC's component is sharper and of higher quality; Can't seem to find nor do I feel like looking for said tests anymore at the moment, so you'll just have to take that at face value. I will agree that what ever increase there is is NOT worth the $150+ you see all over ebay.

>>2130565
>Wiis DO have it and can play Gamecube games in 480p with regular cheap component cables.

It's been proven that they don't look as good as a GC component cables.

Did I do good?

3x 20L2MD and 1x 20M2MD. Bad camera doesn't show, but the tubes are a bit worn, have a 'warm' tint on D65. Thankfully D93 gets things pretty much evened out, and the convergence is good enough out of the box that I don't feel the urge to try and fuck with it.

Also computer desk stronk.

>>2131490
Damn dude can I have one? but seriously you could make an awesome battlestation with all those.

Nah, gonna give a few to friends.

I might be able to get more PVM/BVMs in the future, but I don't know if I can sell them or not. If so I'd love to sell them to /vr/ for waaaay less than ebay, but I'm not about to try and ship one of these motherfuckers. I don't even think I'd want to pack and ship a 8-10", honestly.

>>2125016
>at work talking about TVs and shit
>sperg out about CRTs out of nowhere
>"what's a CRT, anon?"
>"Cathode Ray Tube"
>"what?"
>"Cathode Ray Tube TV"
>laughter from friends
>"why the fuck didn't you just say tube TV?"

>>2131490
I bought four 2130s a few months ago, three sit in my loft, free your monitors m8.

>>2131490
Where do you pick up four at a time? Nice grab, check the total hours on each tube and keep the best one for yourself.

I just got a new crt, but it's missing a power cable. Does it need a specific kind of cable, or will any random power cable do? I'm somewhat clueless with electronics.

>>2131698
Can you check hours on PVMs? I thought you only could on BVMs for some reason. Got them from a tech recycling place. Pulled them off of medical rollythings. Recycling places will get tons of these in, if you can talk them into selling. That said, most don't get much for CRTs anymore, so it's not unreasonable. They probably will want to sell untested, but you can buy them at untested prices too.

>>2131631
I'll free them right after I nab some BNC patch cables for some 4x action shots.

I live in the middle of nowhere in Newfoundland, so I consider finding this off brand 13" a victory. The only problem is that there's like, some scratches near the middle of the screen. It's not too noticeable during gameplay, and I can't even take a good picture of them (The scratches are basically from the bottom of Kazooie's painting to about half way up the right side of it, in a reverse L shape), but it bugs me that they're there. Is there anything I can do about them?

>>2131705
Any generic power cable (One used in desktops, monitors, the PS3, etc.) will do.

how do I know the resolution of a crt video editing monitor? if it can output at 240p, 480 p or even higher?
In my country I can find some Sony PVM monitors and Samsung monitors, but the only info I can get regarding resolution is number of lines.

has anyone tried these?

I'm thinking of buying one, I want to use my CRT as an external monitor of my laptop so my emulators get shown on that CRT.

also, what's the max resolution it can output? 640x480?

>>2130546
Forgive me, but what was the point of directing me to that thread?

>>2130578
There isn't a lot of info i can find on Soft 15KHz. Any idea if it will let me run multiple monitors at hugely different resolutions and sync rates? As in, my two LCD's from one GPU, and my SD CRT TV from the 8800?

>>2131920

TV's aren't really measured in terms of resolution. Sync rate is more important.

15KHz sync is for 240p and 480i (SDTV)
31KHz is for 480p (640x480)

I think 45KHZ is 720p (HDTV)?

>>2131961
I have exactly this one. The quality is mediocre. And you have to find a way to plug audio outputs to tv or move your speakers. I've ended up playing emulators mostly on my monitor with CRT-filters.

>>2130831
Looks like that software can also force the GBP to use 240p over the component cables. I already have S-Video cables, but unless there's some way to hardware mod RGB back onto NTSC GameCubes, I'll eventually get the component cables.

>>2132139
If you're technically inclined, you could give a look at the cloned cable a look. It's completely DIY, so you'd need to put it together and program it yourself.
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=51450

>>2131961
>>2132125

If you want to use VGA output, you may as well find a PVM or something with RGB input. VGA is effectively RGB, and you just need a breakout cable to BNC or the likes. An adapter like that good enough to not look like butts will cost about the same as a good deal on a PVM, I suspect.

Shitty 2 key frame gif coming through.

Would have been nice if the full bloomed shot came out in line with the others, but what are you gonna do.

so the scart cables for my playstation 2 came today.
why is it that my TV can do only 50hz via composite but using RGB scart i can get 60hz?

>>2132446
Because PAL

>>2132446
No NTSC decoder in all likelihood.

>>2131730
>can you check hours on PVMs?
Shit, I think you're right, PVMs probably didn't keep track of total operating hours. Best way to compare them then is by resetting them all to default factory, putting a test pattern on them all at 50% brightness (or less) and snapping a photo with a decent camera. Photoshop adjustments will help you figure out which one has the least wear.

>>2131851
Are you 100% sure they're gouges and not some kind of streaky mess left over from the last guy who watched porn on it? If the scratches are into the glass, you're fucked and don't try to do anything. If they're just into some kind of laminate on top of the glass, there might be something you could do. I would just ignore it and eventually you'll stop caring.

>>2132459
>resetting them all to default factory
That is never a good idea or suggestion. Even consumer sets get adjusted and configured before leaving the factory, and those settings are not written in as the factory default. All this will do is throw what could be a moderately well configured monitor completely out of whack at best and inoperable at worst.
On top of that, relying on a camera's sensor to play nicely with and pick them all up the same for a proper technical comparison is just plain silly.

>>2132280
roger thx.
>>2132125
Yeah I'll connect the audio outputs to my stereo so no prob with that.

About the quality, how mediocre is it? can you provide a pic plox? with the Screen Properties window open showing the screen resolution if possible.
pic related is my CRT, it's not great but the colors look much better than on my LCD. also, true blacks.

pretty happy with my scart cables
would offical sony ones be much better ? these are cheapo chineese ones

>>2132687
I can't quite tell if it's blurry because the SCART cables or bad or if it's because I'm assuming you're playing that off of Anniversary Collection on PS2, which is 480i-only.

>>2132694
its a mix of the anniversary edition and me not knowing what speed to shoot crt's at

i think with gsm i could force a different signal but i havent tried yet.

i dont think there's a version of GSM that can do 240p , but aparantley tekken 1+2 on the tekken 5 disc can do 240, and kof 2000 too.

I want to know what your opinion about projector tvs and dlp tvs

>>2132897
Rear projection age quickly.

>>2132403
We need more of this stuff.

>>2131490
Starting to look like mission control.

Alright you guys remember I was posting about buying a Weiya cv-04 RGB to NTSC board from the Chinamen? Well I finally got this bastard working. I had to use the output of my Extron RGB 201 and set a jumper on the inside of it to change the sync from back porch to sync pulse. It works great now. This is connected to an XP computer running groovymame .149 and other emulators. The TV is an old 27" RCA I got for free from mah sister. Anyway, scanline porn incoming.

I did this setup so I could use an older curved glass screen with svideo because almost all component sets are flat screens and I don't care much for them.

>>2132971

>>2132976

>>2132980

>>2132985

>>2132991
>>2132985
>>2132980
>>2132976
>>2132971

Tell me more about your setup.

Man these threads make me jelly as fuck, I really wish I could get my hands on a CRT but having no friends and car makes it almost impossible. It doesn't help that I'm rather picky on what models I want and Craigslist turns up dry almost every time. If I go LCD I'm leaning towards something like G-Sync, but they're real expensive and most of them are limited only to DisplayPort only.

>>2133014
Old Windows XP SP3 computer with a Radeon X600 video card I got from ebay for $6. I'm running groovymame/crt emudriver ver .149 w the 9.3 driver. I have the vmaker that comes with the driver set to "custom" and switchres on groovymame's ini set to "NTSC". The ouput of the card goes to an Extron 201 rxi I got for $20 on ebay. I changed that one jumper inside, and its wired RGBs to the Weiya cv-04. With a 12v wallwart I got at goodwill for $1 for power. The output of that is svideo into an old RCA tv with svideo. I got that one for free. Pretty simple setup. The only hard part was setting up the ini's for groovymame and vmaker, and wiring bnc connectors on the ends of the wires that came with the cv-04. So maybe 50 total for a freaking arcade in my office.

I also have a rgb component transcoder and an Ikegami broadcast monitor. I've also had a couple PVM's. I'm not too keen on the broadcase monitors. They are convienient, but too sharp and don't look like arcade screens. They look closer to vga monitors with fake scanlines.

>>2133041
Well shit dude if you can afford a gsync monitor then you can just pay someone from CL to deliver a crt to you. Or catch a ride to goodwill.

>>2133084
And I use this for control. Tekinnovations did the artwork for me. Highly recommended.

>>2133094
My room just gets smaller and smaller.

>>2132897
They look like dogshit.

>>2132924
I'll see what I can manage, but can't make any promises. If my camera could take video worth a damn, it'd be worlds easier.

That's just 2 photos with 3 merged/inbetween frames between them.

>>2132971
>>2132976
>>2132980
>>2132985
>>2132991
I like it. That SFII photo in particular came out pretty good.

Am I correct in that to get the best picture out of a PS1 on a PVM I should get a sync-on-luma cable from retro_console_accessories, whenever those come back?
And what about the BNC breakout cable? Do I need to look for anything special with that?

Sorry if these questions are retarded, I'm kind of confused by all this sync shit.

>>2133084

That is simply incredible. The picture quality on that looks like you're running it through a PVM, but you're just using a bunch of really low-cost (cheap) components and running it all through a very efficient set-up.

It's like going to a flea market and picking up audio equipment and using it to put some guy's $4000 Bose system to shame.

Parodius Da! for SNES

>>2133338
It's not a PVM because it's clearly a shadow mask but the sharpness of the scanlines he's getting is pretty impressive.

I love them old Thomson RCAs.

>>2125664
In my experience PSX would not output over composite. I'd have to switch back to component.

I also seem to remember that the PS2 versions of the MMX and MM collections not displaying over component, as well.

>>2133737
You remember incorrectly. I've played both of those collections recently and I always use component on my PS2.

>>2133737
>I also seem to remember that the PS2 versions of the MMX and MM collections not displaying over component, as well.

Only the MMX Collection, and that's only because your HDTV doesn't support 240p, as the X Collection is one of the (unfortunately) very few games that actually runs in 240p (Only other I can think of off the top of my head is Ico; everything else is 480i, and a handful also support 480p and some even higher, but that's not /vr/ material). MMAC runs at 480i, and looks terrible even on a CRT compared to the 240p originals.

Any idea where to get quality rgb scart cables? Specifically ps1/2, all have had a noisy image at best

>>2133742
But Ico was just fine.

I've since moved my PS2 into the backroom on some cheap 19" Toshiba that has a bubble screen. I hate the screen warp but it looks damn better than I could ever get it to look on my Sanyo. Not to mention I don't have to cable swap like i did before

I used to have a Magnovox. Some EDTV 19" flatscreen crt number.

LOVED that thing. Had a built in VHS and DVD player. Games looks great on it. But it blew up one day. We came home and it had been raining, accidentally flipped a switch on the wall that controls all the wall outlets on that wall. And I imagine between the power surge and the fact that Memphis is notrious for power surges, and the damp air, something blew.

I had gotten it to start working again, after it "dried out" but then the cable guy came by and unplugged it. When it plugged back in it made a loud BZZZZZWAARRRR sound and that was it. Dead as dirt.

People, I can get a Sony 46 inches crt rear projection television.
Is it a good idea?

JVC DT-V1710cg

>>2132764

>>2132764
is it 240p ?

>>2127898
I was tripping with it too

>>2133418
I know it's not a PVM, don't be autistic.

Some old Sony 29'', don't remember the model, with composite.

>>2134310

>>2134217
>CRT thread
>Recognizing the difference between aperture grille and shadow mask
>Austistic

I'm glad that we're getting more and more new people excited about CRTs but try to know the basics okay?

I'm acknowledging that the guy has a great all-cheap setup and I'm guessing that he chose to go with shadow mask since he could have presumably gotten a consumer Trinitron for the same kind of money at his local Goodwill. I've actually had my eyes peeled for a Mitsubishi presentation monitor for some high-quality shadow mask myself but his pics make me almost wish I'd have bought that 40" consumer one I saw last winter.

>>2134329
>the picture quality on that looks like you're running it through a PVM, but
>It's not a PVM

You sound like a complete dolt m8, he's right to call you autistic.

So today I noticed that the CRT I've had in my game room now has a dark spot in the lower mid center area of the screen. I tried multiple inputs and it's always there regardless. I was just playing on this TV yesterday and it wasn't there, so I'm pretty sure it just "appeared".

Anyone have similar experiences? It's a good old TV that's been reliable for almost 20 years now and I'd hate to see it go. Plus it's 32" and I really don't feel like dealing with the pain of hauling it out and getting another

https://archive.moe/vr/thread/2064923/#2070582

I designed a new and better RGB SCART shifter circuit with 5x NE555, 74HC86, single OpAmp (LM741), the LM1881 just to get the CSync and a linear stereo pot 2Kohm.
This one does not fuck up the interlacing as the VSync is extracted from the CSync and it gets delayed about the same amount as the HSync (unlike the 2 other circuits).
The input is the upper waveform and the lower waveform is the output.
Notice that the picture is shifted to the right because the synctips at the output appear about 8µS earlier and that the VSync is almost at the correct position.
The name of the shown program is DigiTrace, it makes possible to use the parallel port as an logic analyzer.

>>2134347
Are the colors correct where the dark spot is?
If the purity is misaligned it can not only show wrong colors (the beam hits the wrong phosphor) but can cause dark spots (the beam only partially hits the phosphor).
Maybe there's a new magnetic field near the TV or the mask got magnetized and degaussing coil isn't strong enough to get rid of it.

>>2134389
the colors were correct, just darkened.

And actually I just turned it off for a couple of minutes and when I turned it on again to get another picture, it's now gone. I don't think there were any magnets nearby, but whatever. It's fixed now

>>2134329

I know you felt the need to 'educate' someone, but try to read the entire post before you go off trying to look like an expert. Because otherwise you just come off as a tryhard.

In this post >>2133084 , which is the post that >>2133338 is responding to, you can read the line "I've also had a couple PVM's. I'm not too keen on the broadcase monitors. They are convienient, but too sharp and don't look like arcade screens. They look closer to vga monitors with fake scanlines." as well as "The output of that is svideo into an old RCA tv with svideo"

It was clearly stated that it wasn't a PVM.

The line "The picture quality on that looks like you're running it through a PVM, but" is obviously a compliment on the picture quality of that anon's setup.

This is very basic English.

>>2134310
>>2134312

Composite can look good on a good screen, but man the a/v snob in me is screaming at you to switch to at least S-video.

But if you're happy with it, that's still some pretty decent picture from afar.

>tfw your only tv that accepts both ntsc and pal is some crappy Sang with picture warping terrible around the edges

At least the tube's quite bright and lively.

27" WEGA is what I use, pretty damn happy with it and will probably buy my sister's old one at some point since she doesn't want it anymore. Not sure what I'll do with 2 but eh.

>>2134427

Fellow 27" WEGA owner here. It seems you have a problem.

>what I'll do with 2 but eh.

You buy two more after that and do this: >>2131490

I hope this has helped.

>>2134431

>putting a WEGA on top of a WEGA

If it was more than a 27" model, I think he would need a mini crane in his living/gaming/bedroom, as well as a structure to keep the whole thing in place. I don't think consumer TVs are as square as PVMs, making a set standing on top of another a bit difficult.

>>2134446
>Not building a tower of babel out of CRTs
bonus points if FFIV is mirrored across all of them

You'd obviously need a bit of a support structure for the upper ones, but it could be done.

>>2134431
I think that the TVs will magnetically interfere each other.
PVM/BVMs are usually encased with metal which blocks out/incoming interference and they are designed to allow this close placement to another monitor.

>>2134446
>>2134465

Flew so far over your heads it's now lost like the Malaysian Jet-liner.

>>2134454

He gets it.

>>2134394
>>2134332
The fallacy is the implication that PVM is some kind of gold standard "Oh man, that's ALMOST as good as a PVM" when in reality the guy with that setup probably prefers it since he set it up that way.

>>2134532

Jesus fucking Christ dude.

>>2134551
Some people.

>>2134427
>>2134431

Is a sony WEGA one of the better consumer brand crts for old consoles?

>>2134559

Some are HD-CRTs, and these are a no no for anything older than the dreamcast.

>>2134559

I can't honestly say, but I'm pretty satisfied with mine. Though, towards the end of the CRT's lifespan, a lot of companies were making pretty damn decent sets. I've got a 20" Insignia that accepts S-video and Composite and it's very nice with it's flat screen.

WEGAs were just popular sets 10-14 years ago, so there's a lot out there. You'll likely come across a decent one thanks to the large pool of them remaining. There are definitely better CRTs out there, but you'll have to hunt for them, and they're rare.

>>2134559
WEGA is just a branding Sony used for its "flat" Trinitrons in the early to mid 00's.
Some of them are HD, as >>2134562 said, but the SD ones can make pretty good retro sets, even over lesser quality signals.

>>2134576

What about WEGA TVs with Progressive Scan?

Couldn't they output 240p as well?

>>2134559

As this tripfag has said here: >>2134576

WEGA was the 'flat' screen for the Trinitron model of Sony TVs. But Trinitrons were their flagship consumer TV brand for decades, and pretty decent all things considered. They're also very common, so it's easy to pick up a good one.

>>2134582
Progressive scan in this cases means 480p, which in turn means it's HD. They'll process/deinterlace a 240p/480i signal up to 480p, which can look okay at best and terrible at worst.
240p is an SD signal and will look best on an SD set.

>>2134589

Why would it do that? It can't have multiple resolutions? I understand that fixed pixel displays will upscale or downscale an image to fit it's native resolution.

>>2134532

>Well you're 'technically' still wrong so what I said was 'technically' correct and thus I am not at fault for anything and am still completely right.

I present to you the double mental gymnastic flip into the save face landing, folks. 8.7/10. With a little more effect next time, he might win the gold.

>>2134591
They can do multiple resolutions, but it's built to scan at a minimum of 31khz, which means anything lower will be processed before being displayed. 240p and 480i both sync at 15khz, so they get scaled up; At best, this would mean simple line doubling for 240p.
Certain ones, to my understanding, will even force everything to be scaled up to 1080i, which is obviously even less desirable.

To have it display both properly, you'd need a (true) multisync monitor that's capable of scanning at 15khz as well as 31+ without processing. Higher end PVMs and certain presentation monitors have this capability, but it's sadly not something that really ever came up in the consumer market.

>>2134608

Ah. That makes perfect sense to me now. Thank for the explanation.

>>2134607
>fundamentally different is almost the same

>>2133094
love that control panel design. may steal

>>2134784

You're just being autistic man. It was a compliment on the picture quality by comparing it to a PVM/BVM which have become the defacto gauge of excellence for 240p CRT displays. You had to go all retard over it and make a fuss over it.

>>2133094

So you're making a kind of mame cab?

>>2126338
... You do know that's false. Color tv existed. You could find a pixel on the tv and keep hitting it every pass. You could shoot it with a light gun

>>2134874

A light gun?

>>2134874
I don't think you understand how color TVs work. They have three electron guns in different places at the back of the picture tube. They have a shadow mask at the front, just slightly behind the phosphor coat. One hole cut in the shadow mask corresponds to three stripes of phosphor on the face - depending on which gun sweeps across the hole, you'll light a different phosphor stripe, as the beam will originate at a different angle.

No addressing necessary.

Light guns work by timing the raster sync signals against a "flash" in their sensor.

>>2134849
>Man that SUN 32" tri-dot VGA CRT at 2880x240 with custom CRT_Geom and modified pots for bloom looks great! Almost as good as a PVM!
>Man that 27" Wells Gardener in that real arcade cabinet getting accurate sync through GroovyMAME, CRT_Emidriver and an IPAC looks great! Almost as good as a PVM!
>Man that 240-inch custom constructed rear-projection screen with the commercial 3 CRT projector looks great! Almost as good as a PVM!
Why even bother putting together anything when you can just drop $300 on eBay and have the indisputable best?

>>2135034

You're really taking this personally.

>>2135034
How can one man be so angry?

You guys really need to shut the hell up and get a room already, the rest of us are bored.

>Arguing
Guys stop.

Here, I found a bunch of old sales brochures for professional sony monitors. This should help give you an idea of how good a model was when it came out, kinda.

http://pdf.textfiles.com/manuals/STARINMANUALS/Sony%20Video/Archive/

>>2135098

>the rest of us are bored

What the fuck else is going on here in a thread that will last over a week?

>>2135110
Also, do you guys think a PVM primer infographic could be made of this? Something outlying the basic models and groups and what have you.

>>2135147

Seconding this. I'd love to see a PVM/BVM primer infographic.

>>2135147
>>2135150
I think the main reason PVMs and, to a lesser extent more expensive BVMs are so popular is that their configurations are actually pretty similar to consumer TVs so most of the rules for shopping for them apply to PVMs. They have a variety of inputs on their back - you should get one that has all the inputs you want to use. Those CMPTR inputs do accept RGB but I don't think any of them do "component", which will be notated as Y Pb Pr on the back of 4BNC sets that do it. Lots of them have passthroughs so don't be too intimidated by tons of ports on the back. Their SVideo and Composite inputs will look like you're used to them looking. Be sure you don't get a black and white set, which a lot of the tiny cheap ones will be. Give preference to sets that were used in medical or editing duties over ones from TV stations because those often have ridiculous hours on them.

>>2135034
The autism is strong in this one

>>2135223

An infrographic would be so useful for not only mitigating the concerns for those new to CRTs in general, but also for transferring such useful information to those who are also at the 'apprentice' level of skill in CRT display technology.

With such a display of educational information more people interested in CRT tech could be shown the basics and more quickly graduate to the level of knowledge that would allow them to discus on an equal level with the regulars here.

>>2133231

I was most impressed by the VS Castlevania, and the Street Fighter screenshots. The sharpness of the pixels in those two screenshots really brings it home as a representation of the picture quality this guy has achieved.

>>2135302
The best way to learn most of it is with 99 cent thrift store TVs. There are really, really nice Trinitrons with Svideo and Y/Pb/Pr available everywhere for less than $10 down to and including $0.

It's so much better to get a decent, cheap CRT and enjoy it for what it is while you learn what additional features you would ideally like to have. You upgrade when you can, maybe you do manage to pick up a PVM or two but don't think you need to know a bunch to get started. Learn while you play games. That's why it irritates me for PVMs to be put on a pedestal.

They really do have that "I look like a TV but I'm clearly better than a TV" quality though.

>>2135308

PVMs belong on a pedestal for a reason. Their sharpness and features allow for a reference point in picture representation. However I agree that CRTs benefit the most from the quality of their design, and from the disposition of their treatment more than anything else.

A good CRT is a good CRT. Be it BVM, Consumer, Monitor, or PVM.

An excellent low-tier CRT consumer TV is going to outshine a beat to shit PC VGA monitor with 60,000 hours on it, no doubt.

>>2135147
>>2135150
Here's what I've gathered so far:

In terms of age, sony PVMs go nn## -Late 90s> nnM# -Early 00s> nnL#. Four digit PVMs should be mid/early 90s older, I'm not quite sure where the Q/M at the end of the models falls in. M2/M4s came out late 90s, and L1/L2/L5 was early '00s. Catalog has little info on the four digit models. I'm not sure about BVMs, there are certainly older BVMs from the 80s and such with a 4 digit numbering system, but none are listed in the catalogs before the early 00s F and G models. It seems like the L2 was the last new model introduced, in 2004.

In terms of specs, the 20L5 and 14L5 are 800 line with two add on card slots and seemingly a lot of BVM bells and whistles, including multiscan. 20M4 and 14M4 are also 800 line, but have no add on cards and and no multiscan. L2 and M2 are 600 line, the former having add on cards but otherwise being very similar to the M2. N6 and N5 are <600 line models, with far fewer inputs than the 600+ line models. L1 is 600 line, but with stripped down inputs and controls. Three digit models are monochrome.

For (late model) BVMs, there are the fancy widescreen 1000 line models (24 and 32"), the 900 line (D)20F1, and 800 line 14F1, 20G1 and 14G1 models. The main difference between 800 line seems to be the number of input boards, and all of them should be capable of 240P through 720p/1080i with the correct input boards.

All 8/9 inch models are 450 lines or lower, including the BVM D9 which supports HD input resolutions. 8045 and 8044 models are cheap and plentiful on ebay if you are after portable CRT goodness, but they seem to lack white level adjustment outside of service menus (and I'm just assuming that you can adjust them in the service menu). White level adjustment is very important on old tubes, as they usually have worn out phosphors and need a bit of tweaking (usually just setting to D93/9300k) to look normal. 250 line models like the 9L2 and 8042 should probably be avoided.

>>2135308
PVMs are so bland and utilitarian in design, but something about that near-perfect squareness and those buttons and knobs is really fuckin' neato.

>>2135321

Mission Control, bro.

Mission Control.

>>2135308
>>2135317
If you just want to play old games, then a late model consumer trinitron is fine. PVM/BVM/other pro shit is a very noticeable step up in terms of image quality. Think TN>IPS. Hell, think old bad contrast laptop TN to IPS.

What I've found is that PVMs are usually in much better condition in terms of adjustment and have more adjustment options than consumer sets. That alone makes a big difference in picture quality, before you get into the higher line count and RGB and all the other fancy shit PVM/BVMs have.

But, it's worth waiting for a good deal on one. If you want a PVM, don't spend more than 50$ on your first one and make sure it works well. I wouldn't drop over 50$ on a CRT unless you knew exactly what you were getting into.

>>2135319

Bring that plethora of information to the guys with photoshop skills and make the baddest ass infographic ever.

>>2135337

I agree completely.

Hell, even off-brand late model CRT consumer TVs will get the job done with S-video. PVM and BVMs are for the experienced user wiling to hunt for a good set.

>>2135337
My Wega has some pretty ridiculous adjustments in its hidden service menu.

Ironically, though it's actually much more straight forward to adjust the PVMs' than the Wega's advanced features

Have any of you tried gaming modern hd games in 14 inches monitors that can do 720p? is it very bad? My only hd console is the Wii U, and I end up playing on the small gamepad screen because it has close to no input lag, so I think a 14 pvm l5 would be an improvement to be, bigger screen, hd screen (gamepad is sd), more controller options etc

>>2130546
>>2130578
>>2130308

Well, i gave the 8800GT a spring clean, along with my PC, and plugged everything in using S-Video. Turns out the current GeForce drivers will let you tell them you've connected an SD TV, even if it can't auto-detect. It gives a selection of resolutions from 640x480 to 1028x764, but whatever you select it pumps the signal out in 480i.

Adding Soft15KHz increases the number of resolutions available by a large number, so you can do from 256x240 upward - or near that, can't remember exactly.

This was all done under Win8.1 with my GTX 580 driving my other two 1080p LCDs at the same time. Tested with a Panasonic 480p Progressive and a PVM-14M4A. Pain getting steam games to open (Had to go Big Picture, settings, display, then select the Generic Non-PNP monitor (i.e. the TV) as desired output)

>>2135537
It does get the shits sometimes, but only when I play with the resolution settings and it drops the sync. A bit of tinkering gets it back.

It also looks like I can make the Component/S-Video adapter output composite through one of the pins.

>>2135540
Do you mean the display cutting out when changing resolutions bug? I've had that problem with newer forceware drivers for tv-out and had to use older ones.

>>2135537
So you havnt tested 240p? Just 480i?

>>2135715
I was going to ask about that. I think i need one of the EDID dongles to get 240p to work? At least, there are no progressive resolutions in the list at all fro the TV

Any ideas? I have no idea how to build custom resolutions, if I need to do that. I'd like to be able to get both 240p and 480p if i can, as one of the TV's I have is progressive, but it doesn't give me the options.

>>2135714
Yeah, that. I was always able to get it back by clicking around the options though.

>>2135721
It might be different on your newer forceware. On mine, I just simply run the tv display wizard which lets me pick 480i or 480p.

480i doesnt look too bad if you mess with the flicker filter setting in the nvidia control panel. I find the default setting to be too high.

>>2135721
Soft15 isn't quite as robust as crt_emudriver but you have an Nvidia card and crt_emudriver is for ATI only. You may have to buy or build a DVI->SCART/4BNC/CMPTR cable if you want to push true 240p to your PVM over your second DVI, but the quality will be better than SVideo would have been anyway.

>>2135736
You can make 480i look like fake 240p in emulators with a super-simple scanline filter and you can make your Steam games look it with a scanline generator hardware dongle.

found some fairly nice cables at a goodwill a while back so i am using them for composite video on systems i don't have the heart to mod.

>>2135745
here is a component example from when i first bought the television.

>>2135745
You found TG-16 cables at Goodwill?

>>2135743
Wouldn't that result in heavy-ass flicker? If you try blanking out half the lines, the other half would still blank every other frame, so it would look like you're running the display at 30Hz.

>>2135761
A T16 with Turbo Booster or Turbo CD add-ons has RCA jacks on the back for composite.

>>2135319
Would you be against this being used in the pastebin? Either copied directly and credited or rewritten to slide in a bit better, your choice.

>>2135790
Hell I wrote the pastebin, but no one liked it. I can stick it in.

>>2135359
I don't know if any of the SD models had convergence adjustments. I know the widescreen XBRs do. Even then it's still a bitch to adjust.

>>2135429
It might be an improvement in picture quality, but the screen size is going to end up being ~11" diagonal or something, basically absolutely tiny. You should keep an eye out for consumer widescreen models assuming the wii U does 1080i, but finding GOOD HD PVM/BVMs/CRTs in general is difficult.

>>2135805
>Hell I wrote the pastebin, but no one liked it. I can stick it in.
The other pastebin, the one I wrote.
The one that I haven't done jack shit with since I posted it 2 months ago.
http://pastebin.com/1Ri5TS3x

>>2135775
I know, but what are the odds he found either at Goodwill?

>>2135860
the cables came from goodwill not the tg16.

>>2134851
Ghetto as hell table thing, Hopefully someone will buy me a router for xmas and I will build a knock off candy cabinet.

Rate my pic pls. its the best i could do with a PC CRT.

Any suggestions?

I haven't browsed this board in awhile, but these CRT's have stayed in the back of my mind.

So I finally found one locally and bought this PVM-14L1 last night for $30. Eventually I'll find another one that can do RGB, but I feel like this is a good start.

>>2136649
Looks breddy gud, but if I may ask, what is your setup exactly?

>>2136650
Looks like a very stripped down PVM-14L2, but at least it still has a 600 line tube.

>>2135319
Hold on hold on hold on.

The M in the model number is for Medical. Those monitors were normally beige/white and meant for hospital use. That's pretty much the only difference between them and Ls.

>>2136810
There are non beige, non medical spec M2/M4s. The Medical variants were followed with an MD(U/A/E)

>>2136810
What >>2136816 said.

http://pdf.textfiles.com/manuals/STARINMANUALS/Sony%20Video/Archive/1999%20Catalog%20-%20PVM%20Monitors.pdf

Note the different M2 and M2MD models.

>>2136649
That's good

>>2135741
So the 8800GT will push 240p by itself out one of the two empty DVI ports? Can i ask for some tips on how to do this?

The DVI to BNC cable is a no-brainer, i can manage that. Thanks for the tip.

I finally joined the master race. Got this baby for $20 off a college student, and it's a damn sight better than the tiny VCR TV I was going to try to grab from my mother's place. I'd estimate it at over 20-inches, has component, composite, s-video and coauxial. Good day, I look forward to migrating all my non-HD consoles to it tonight.

>>2137727

Wow, noice! Which brand and model anon?

>>2137727
The thing is bigger than the area I had set aside for a CRT, but it's all good. I'm gonna make this part of the room my own.
Anyone have any tips for how to fit 6 useable consoles into a small space? The little shelves up there are too small, they'll probably be cartridge space.

>>2137729
It's a Panasonic, I'll get back to you on the model as I'm out and about currently.
Look forward to a bitchin battlestation pic within twelve hours though.

>>2137727

fuqq the filesize limit

>>2137737

Okay, thanks. I'm looking forward for this pic.

>>2136228
that's fucking kawaii m8

>>2133776
I feel like this isn't the first time I've heard of the MMX collection being uncooperative while Ico works on an HDTV. Not sure what the deal with that is, because they both run at 240p for sure.
>>2133820
Probably not.

>>2135805

None of the SD models below 32 inches have convergence settings, iirc.

But I could be wrong.

>>2137727
>>2137730

Don't forget to squeeze out the best possible connection for all your old consoles. Congrats on the great find, btw.

>>2134329
she got that TV from Mr Burns

>>2137727 here, here's your model info. I'll get the battlestation pic up in a bit when the lava lamp warms up.

Any tips for optimal picture settings for retro vidyaing?

>There's been a panasonic BT 1350 laying around work for ages
>Turns out it's a 750 line model

God damnit now I have to talk them into letting me buy that too.

>>2138550
Also:

ftp://ftp.panasonic.com/pub/panasonic/drivers/PBTS/brochures/B_AT.BT.DT%20Color%20Video%20Monitors.pdf

I really need to back all of these up somewhere.

Anyone knows what causes those vertical waves? They're coming from the left side and slowly disappear up until the middle of the screen where they disappear completely

>>2138018
>>2137727
Anon delivers.

>>2138650
>ps2 standing vertically
i sincerely hope you are 'joshing' me

>>2138657
What's the problem

>>2138657
Hey, desk real estate is in short supply. Though please let me know if I'm finna kill my PS2.

>>2125860
Wow, literally just got this TV, plus its respective stand for $20 last month. I'm assuming this was a stellar purchase.

>>2133907
That looks crisp as fuck.

>>2133409
That game's hard as all hell. I love it, though.

Anyone have any opinions on Sony's BVM-D32E1WU? Would something like this be overkill for retro RGB? The 16-9 aspect ratio looks like it can benefit several arcade games that run at wider than normal sizes. they're expensive but maybe it can double as a nice PC monitor too, they seem like a better deal than G-Sync monitors.

>>2138789
For PC, there are much better monitors out there, like the FW900, F520, Diamondpro 2070SB, and others. They can do well beyond 1080p (my FW900 runs sharply at 2560x1600), and the BVM can only do 1080i. I imagine it's amazing for retro, though - none of those PC monitors can scan at 15hkz (~30khz max, I believe).

>>2135741
So I built a DVI-VGA-RCA-BNC setup, which failed. The cable+adapters test ok. But the PVM does not get detected by the graphics card/windows. Any idea how I get it to show in the list? What tells the computer a monitor is plugged in? (And any idea of the precise signal parameters 240p uses? Front porch, pixel clock, etc?)

The PVM-14M4A only takes one input for Sync. I tried H-Sync from the DVI port, but it doesn't work. I know in some instances H-Sync will work instead of Composite sync, but I'm not sure if it should here. I guess i'll try to generate composite sync from the H- and V-sync lines.

Anyone know a good IC that generates Composite sync from H- and V-sync?

Will post more about this later, or as I find stuff out, but right now my mother-in-law is taking us out to dinner... :/


>>2133293
If what you refer to is a Sync-on-luma SCART RGB cable, then yes, that's the best you can do. The SCART to BNC adapter should be fairly straightforward,splitting the RGB and composite signals into 4 BNC connectors. The Luma pin on the PS connector will be wired to the Composite Video pin on the SCART plug, i imagine.

Both Luma and Composite Video (yellow RCA plug, normally) might work jacked into the sync input. Some PVMs won't take Composite video as sync, most from the mid 90's onward will. Using Luma/Luminance/Y (all the same thing) as sync will give you a cleaner picture and no jail bar effect as that channel carries no Chroma or other colour information. The alternative is to use composite sync through a sync stripper like a Sync Strike, or through a LM1881 chip you wire yourself.

You might also need some BNC-anything jacks. I had to use these to open the 75Ohm terminations on the "out" side of the connectors on my PVM-14M4A, otherwise the picture was really dim. With nothing plugged into, say, a male BNC-RCA female adapter, it opens the 75Ohm termination. You can get 10 of those things on Ebay for about AUD$3-$4.

>>2125016
>see an old CRT out on the street this past weekend
>sticky note on it says "It works!"
>sweet, I'll pick this up
>lift up TV, start walking away with it
>friends with me start laughing and saying stuff like "what are you doing?!"
>explain to them that it's for old systems/VHS
>"no man, don't take that"
>seriously confused
>turns out it was in front of Salvation Army

Sure, I could have just kept going, but that's kinda fucked up since I already have a good working one at home.

my PVM finally arrived and guess what

it works

what a relief, i was really worried it would have been damaged.

on other news, this thing does have a few problems i want to try to solve. Whenever i connect any /vr/ system to it via composite (i don't have RGB cables yet) the image comes out letterboxed and decentered. I hooked my GCN and PS2 it (as well as my psx) and while they do not show that kind of letterboxing, they do have a few other geometry issues (upper part is concave, lower one is convex).

Is there any way to fix this manually? the monitor has no geometry fix options in the control menu or anything like that.

Model is a PVM 2130Q, pic related.

>>2138962
The remote should have some geometry controls. My monitor has no menu but has basic geom controls on the remote. Maybe more pics of it. I like those old light up buttons on sony monitors.

>>2139009
oh shit the fucking remote

how did i not think of that

will try it as soon as i get back home, that's why i have no decent pics as of now.

>>2138962
oow we light up homies now, useful shit:
http://neohyphengeo.com/PVM2130QM_SM_SONY_EN.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoBqm4ThJxw

>>2139012
Remote won't do shit but volume and picture, gotta take the back off.

>>2139024
well fuck

>>2139021
already have the service manual, but that video is absolute gold

it fucking SUCKS that i don't have any of that equipment in the video. and i live in the ass end of nowhere so a professional repair isn't going to happen anytime soon.

i hope manual repair is enough to make it good. i just wish i had those test image generators and those sensors for the white calibration.

>>2139028
You can use this for some parts
http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php/240p_test_suite

Where did you get it?

>>2139029
if you mean the manual, i downloaded the pdf you posted before buying the monitor. if you're talking about the monitor, i got it off some shmuck on ebay for 100 bucks

i'm still wondering why the fucking monitor displays letterboxed images with a mega drive and does the "right" thing with psx and later

>>2139038
Is the megadrive pal? What about the playstation?

>>2139049
both PAL, megadrive is mark II. i do have a 50/60 eng/jap modded one but it needs cables. i also hooked an NES (PAL) to it and it keeps behaving in the same way

>>2139050
MD displays squished when in 50, did you try it in 60?

>>2138789
>BVM-D32E1WU
This would be a god-tier set for playing pretty much anything. It'll handle retro perfectly but would also be ideal for PS3, 360, ect.

>>2138678
That is stellar! It's a great tv and I paid $30 for mine back in Jan with no stand.

>>2134329
>excited about CRTs
theres nothing to be excited about

>>2139052
cannot try in 60 now. but it's strange this only happens with the 2130Q, i have a plano and it displays fullscreen, and also another (broken) pvm which displays an image and does so without letterboxing.

plus, the ps2/psx/gcn are PAL and don't letterbox. what the fuck.

Is there a way to see if a CRT supports 480p? I heard that component input isn't a dead giveaway since it can also carry 240p.

>>2139137
is it a PC crt? is it a 16:9 flatscreen crt trinitron? does it have a VGA input that is not 31khz? if not, then it doesn't and only handles up to 480i

>>2139142
I was only asking generally because I'm looking for an alternative.
Though I don't know how to check, I fear that my CRT is going to give up soon (been using it for about 18 years on an almost daily-basis).
And, if that happens I want to have a CRT which supports 480p for the non-/vr/ consoles.
Are there any good ones that can be recommended?

>>2138789
Like >>2138798 said, don't use a BVM as a computer monitor. I'll admit that I haven't seen one in action, but I would be amazed if it had the sharpness required for high resolution text.

Plus there is the FW900 and what not.

I wouldn't spend >200$ on one, and even then I'd make sure I absolutely needed something that god damn expensive.

>>2139137
Look up the model.

>>2139146
As far as consumer sets, I want to say some toshiba models are multiscan and support 480i and 480p. Most other consumer stuff that supports 480p will have a tube that only displays 1080i internally, and this means anything that isn't 1080i will get upscaled.

There are high end PVM/BVMs, but the multiscan models are usually expensive or hard to find.

>>2139137
Component isn't a dead giveaway since it can also carry SD signals, but you should still check above the component inputs, if it's an HD set most manufacturers will list HD resolutions above the component inputs or refer to them as HD1, HD2 ect.

Also, if it has a DVI or HDMI port anywhere on the back, it's an HD model.

You can also tell by connecting a 240p source to the tv. If it displays without scanlines, then it's an HD model.

>>2139146
As always, Sony makes good stuff. Check your local craigslist and you should find plenty of HD Wegas with big screens and low prices.

Some of Panasonic's Tau models are HD, I bought one a few months back and it's great, does 480i, 480p, and 1080i. Only does HD through component, no HDMI or DVI, but it had clear HD markings on the front so it was easy to identify.

Toshiba made some good HD models as well. I got one at a yard sale a couple years ago that does 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i. 720p is less common on early HD models, most only do 480p and 1080i.

A google search for FW900 lead my to an FW900 subreddit where I found this crazy picture.
The absolute madman.

>>2139137
What
>>2139174
Said. Component is just a high end video signal. It is not HD in and of itself, though it can be used for 480p. You generally WANT an SDTV with component, because it is roughly equivalent to RGB and the best you'll get in the USA

>>2138850
You can just physically merge H-Sync and V-Sync to get Sync, the same way Composite can be used for sync by Playstationbros. Different PVMs will accept different sync rates but all of them will accept 15khz. PVMs aren't ever going to auto-detect because they don't support that DisplayPort format but many of us, myself included have cables with that pin disabled anyway since older monitors limit themselves significantly beyond what they're actually capable of. I actually have an old plasma that tells Windows to default it to a resolution its incapable of displaying.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/FAULTY-Sony-PVM-14M4E-Trinitron-Color-Video-Monitor-PGM-/231404740677?pt=Filmnachbearbeitung&hash=item35e0cc2045

Would that be worth it? They say that the picture seems squashed (looks like it was set to 16:9).
It also says that the SDI card is missing, is that something important?

>>2125016
My wife and I recently got a new trinitron on craigslist, and alongside our RetroN V it's pure authentic hardware and hot retro. I cannot recommend this combo any more. I'm looking forward to playing Mario 1 on Christmas day.

>>2139389

>>2139389

>Buying a bunch of badly synched emulators running on an android shitbox

How do I plug this shit in?

>>2139424
>red to R
>Green to G
>Blue to B
>tie the other two in a pretty knot

>>2139389
bro, your trolling has reached an all new level.

retronV on a crt? your wife and you both very well know that retronV is hdmi only.

put more effort into your shitty attempts to get dumbfucks like:
>>2139395 and >>2139415
to reply.

love always,
the only guy that thinks your shit is funny
obligatory comment about porking your wife

>>2139431
I knew it was trolling, I just wanted to post my picture.

>>2139424

Push and rotate to lock the thing. And don't forget the synch.

>>2139415
i like how the reaction post was deleted but the retarded baitshill wasn't.

/vr/ mods, everyone.

>>2139447
>Ryu
>Flaming Shouryuuken

>>2139458
but it's a funny image, anon. it's funny.

>>2139447

so how about them CRTs? man do i love them.

i just hooked up my svideo modded TG-16 to my 27" sony trinny, cant remember the model.

it looks awesome, i've been blazing away with lasers. if i had a camera other than my phone i'd take some pictures

>>2139496

Must by nice, dem PC-Engine graphics, especially on a 27" trinitron. Why not post some pics even with a phone camera?

>>2139474
Why delete this mods?

>>2139507
perhaps i will tonight.

i'm currently in a 6mo lease while the house i'm waiting on closes so i brought barebones with me.

my tv is on the floor, tg-16 in front of it, a pile of laundry is my chair.


>>2139517
you know why, now you're just being a dick. when i complain about deleted posts at least they were on topic. you're asking why your shitty post about your ban was deleted?

off topic.

now if you want to bitch about the horrible moderation, check out the archive of all the threads the mods deleted. all on topic with retro games but all deleted for no fucking reason.

>>2139517
>>>/v/

How can I get CRTs for cheap if you guys keep advertising them?

Kill the thread!

>>2139429
Like this?

>>2139517
>>2139474
Why delete these posts mods?

>>2139554

I've been holding off on getting a SCART cable for my Genesis for far too long. Which do you think would be easier/cheaper to come by; non-VA7 Model 1 or a 3/4 Model 2.
The one benefit I can see for getting a Model 2 cable would be compatibility with the Model 3, but I'm not sure I'd even be able to get audio from it without the mono pin wired up.

>>2139526
>my tv is on the floor, tg-16 in front of it, a pile of laundry is my chair.
I'm heard worse and much less comfortable setups. Nice and cushy seat at the very least.

>>2139556
Because they're off-topic. Either post something CRT related or go away.

>>2139567
>>2139554
Depending on how the other end is terminated, whichever of those 2 sync lines is horizontal sync would in all likelihood be also wired up for use as composite sync.

That's assuming the other end is set up for anything that a consoles would be outputting in general. If it's VGA, and you're making an adapter from a console, you could hypothetically use either.
And if you're trying to connect up a PC, you'd either need something like >>2139567 or preferably a circuit to combine the two into composite sync.

>>2139573
>Nice and cushy seat at the very least.
the only downside is that my wife bitches at me because i won't fold my clothes and put them away....
>BUT IT'S MUH CHAIR!


i'm really debating on getting a scart>YUV converter and connecting everything up via rgb>component into the trinny... there was a guy in b/s/t that was going to give one away, but i think he flaked.

i know i won't be that blown away in the quality jump though, from svideo to rgb. plus i think my tv is on it's last legs.. i've noticed some color bleeding on and off. it goes away once the tv is warm.

my search for a proper pvm always ends with disappointment or a 200 dollar shipping charge...

anyone in western NY that has one for sale?

>>2139587
>i've noticed some color bleeding on and off. it goes away once the tv is warm.
This is normal.
Many adjustments are done when the set is warm.
You don't want a CRT that only looks nice when cold, this can be as short as 15 minutes and then you need to wait until it cools off.

>>2139598
it's a new problem though. i've moved the tv down stairs and up stairs in my recent move. no hard drops or anything, but perhaps it took a bump it didn't like.

or the tv i bought when i was 14, nearly half my life ago, is finally on it's way out.

i bought it myself after saving for a year, after getting my ps2, after i decided i needed to hook it up with component cables. it'll be a sad day when it dies my friends.

>>2139230
Now thats a fucking god tier battlestation.

>>2139537
I still see shitty pvm monitors for $50 sometimes. You just have to be lucky and patient.

>>2139537
Hey kid wanna buy some PVMs? Where are you located?

>>2139573
each come with it's own set of troubles
M1VA3-6.8 are the most common out there but AVOUT is mono only. Might have to cure jailbars too. Easy to spot : HIGH DEFINITION GRAPHICS.
M2VA2-3 are far rarer than other, but easy to spot (half-shield). But you need an audio shielded AV cable else you get buzzing on bright screen.

Basically, almost everything is fixable, if you know what to expect. By far easiest route is HDG M1

>>2139645
>Might have to cure jailbars too
How difficult of a fix would that be?

>But you need an audio shielded AV cable else you get buzzing on bright screen.
I'm in all likelihood going to get a cable from retro_console_accessories, so I would hope that shielding wouldn't be a problem.

I'd rather get the model that would require the least amount of work for the best quality, both visually and audio wise.
Wonder if it would be cheaper to buy/put together a MegaAMP to toss into the VA7 or either of the Model 2s I have laying around.
Just getting tired of only having RF for any of them, and don't want to buy a composite cable when I'm ultimately aiming for RGB.

>>2139665
To reduce jailbars either
-lift pin 50 on the vdp
-remove cap C28
-lift pin 6 on CXA1145 (and optionally connect it to ground)

note that this will not completely get rid of them, but they'll be extremelly faint.

If you have some MD2 around, just go ahead and mega-amp one. Along with a good RGB cable you will be good to go.

If you know how to handle a soldering iron of course

>>2139684
The real question with that is whether that route would be cheaper and if my meager soldering ability would lead to problems.
Buying the amp and adding it in would be simple enough, but I have a feeling it would be a decent amount more expensive.

>>2139694
on sega16, mega-amp is $25 with shipping, prepared according to your console.
I can't think of a cheaper solution

>>2139698
*with $5 shipping

my CRT tends to crop out a tiny bit of the image at the edges of the screen. Is there anything I can do about this? It's not a huge problem, but it is slightly annoying.

>>2139706

It's overscan anon, every CRT have it, and the worse the signal and tube quality, the bigger the overscan. Some high-end and professional models have an underscan function adding borders to the picture.

>>2139703
>>2139698
A short search brought up what I can only assume is the same seller on assemblergames as well as ebay. Mind linking the sega16 thread?
I may end up going that route, if I don't get any bites from someone in the BST.

Still would be nice being able to decide on which damn cable to order(md1 vs md2/3).

>>2139706
Depends. CRT computer monitors allowed tweaking scanning area, but CRT TVs don't always allow it, though some do. Games are usually designed with overscan in mind so that nothing important is cropped out. Try googling your TV's manufacturer and overscan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overscan

>>2139720
http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?27348

know that I ordered 2 and they came in less than 2 weeks (and I'm in europe). Build quality is excellent.

>>2139713
>the worse the signal
>and tube quality
>the bigger the overscan
This is rather a characteristic of the deflection circuits and how precise and good they are, this has not much to do with the signal and the tube.
I recommend 5% relative to a full BT.601 image (640x480, 768x576), basically the left and right edge of an NES/SNES signal are touching the edges of the phosphor screen (Trinitron at least). Many games (incl. 50hz) with this setting will not show a huge border nor will be important stuff (HUD, textboxes) lost in the overscan.

>>2139706
>Is there anything I can do about this?
Adjust the geometry but an overscan smaller means than a signal that doesn't much active video like Chameleon Twist for N64 or Starfox will have a bigger border.

>>2139730
Being able to manually stretch the over/under scan is great if you have that option. I wonder if adjusting overscan wears out the monitor faster over time? I adjust my monitor every time I play a game to remove borders.

>>2139872
>I wonder if adjusting overscan wears out the monitor faster over time?
It depends how the adjustment works.
A trimmer isn't intended to be changed all the time.
A potentiometer can wear out too but mostly after a long time depending on the quality.
If it's changed by a (service) menu then it will be likely written into a EEPROM chip (or similar), these can wear out too but after usually 100,000 - 1,000,000 times minimum.

>>2139351
>cables with that pin disabled
Which pin did you mean? Right now i have H-sync wired but nothing on the V-sync pin.

>DisplayPort
Not using. Unless you meant that not capitalised to be the VGA/DVI ports?

Cheers for the post tho. I'll try to merge sync and see if it helps... later. I was thinking about it, and i reckon i need something like an EDID dongle to fool the computer into thinking there's a monitor connected so i can use the VGA/DVI outputs.

Just got my old CRT out of storage. It's a Trinitron KV-32FS100. Did I do good? How does it compare to other CRTs?

That sumbitch was heavy as hell. That's all I know.

>>2139384
The SDI probably doesn't matter. That set will take RGB/Component, S-Video and Composite through BNC connectors.

I'd be more worried about the squashed picture. See if you can get them to send you a pic with and without the 16:9 button depressed? (That might give it away to them if the set works tho)

>>2139351
>>2139934
looking into it, I really need to deliver the EDID signal before the graphics card will recognise, and thus pump a signal through, any port. It's nowhere near as simple as just building a breakout DVI/VGA cable.

I can't get any computer to sync to my PVMs to save my life. Powerstrip absolutely hates me for some reason and none of my graphics drivers can get anywhere near 480i. Linux works a bit better but I still can't find the correct xrandr settings.

Surely someone has gotten this to work without a custom linux distro.

>>2140219
Yeah same (I'm the anon posting above). I'd love a fix that doesn't involve an EDID dongle, or involves a homemade one, but will take anything for Win 8.1. Not a linux user so far.

>>2140219
Ah, you experienced the same things as i did.
>Powerstrip absolutely hates me for some reason and none of my graphics drivers can get anywhere near 480i.
You can't really create non-interlaced (240p/288p) modelines with it (the damn thing always inserts a -doublescan flag).
Use WinModelines instead, insert new one and reboot, then select them from WinModelines and now you can fine tune the resolution with PowerStrip.
I really have my doubts that you can get your Nvidia card to output 15khz in the way you want it to.

>>2140465
I actually salvaged a EEPROM from an old VGA monitor chassis that can be used for EDID. I wrote the data on it for soft15khz and installed it inside my VGA->SCART adapter, the bitchy Nvidia card detected it and still refused to output 15khz on that port.
My HD3540 didn't actually liked the EDID, so i removed it and everything worked wonderful afterwards.
Also, the 'ATI/AMD=no drivers' meme is quite obsolete. My computer worked a hell lot more stable (and slower as the Nvidia cards i used before were about 3 years newer).

>>2140793
All of my issues were with a 7850.

I'm going to see if I can borrow a HD 4000 series from work for a few weeks.

I might try WinModelines, but powerstrip fucked my shit up bad enough that I had to un/reinstall my graphics drivers. I'm not messing with it anymore. I think it hates something about my AMD/Intel driver combo, but the program itself lags to hell and back. Some conflict somewhere.

>>2139609
I still have the TV I bought with the money from delivering papers when I was 14 and that's closer to 2/3 of my life ago now. It even sat on my back porch for a year, but it's a Thomson RCA.

are there any aboriginals browsing /v/?

>>2140865
shit wrong thread

>>2140865
wot.

>>2139626

>>2125016
From my years of experience - Flat CRT-s are gay!

Considering I'd probably never get an FW900 what would you say is a nice alternative?

I fear my Intergraph is on its way out considering I have to set the brightness very low to avoid any bleed.

On my CRT TV I get a kind of echoing effect, where outlines of the image are repeated a few times to the right. Colours are also visibly stretched rightwards in some instances, such as in the built-in menu. What's the cause of this?

>>2141271
Sometimes caused by shit cables, sometimes it's the graphics card or the CRT itself. If the CRT supports multiple resolutions you can reduce it by reducing the resolution.

>>2141279

It's probably my shit cables. I'm just wondering why shit cables would result in this effect on the TV's built in menus. I'm assuming it's showing its age.

Are Hantarex Polo Monitors gud?

>>2140980
That looks very comfy. Although Im worried that bird will poop on the monitors.

>>2140219
Xp computer + old radeon card. I've seen both at goodwill for damn near free.