/vr/ - Retro Games

GBA ushered in the shovelware era in full force. Sure you had the crappy nickelodeon licensed shit on gameboy color but that trash hit full force in GBA era. GBA is all spongebob shit and if its not it's inferior ports of retro games. No fuckin thanks retarded GBA kid.

I hope never. I love the GBA, but here's not much to discuss for GBA except spongebob shovelware and ports of older games. It'd just be Golden Sun threads over and over and over again. And Golden Sun is the most overrated piece of shit ever made.

A few days after 4chan gets sold so like next month.

>>2127091
Not only that, the GBA's release date opens the floodgates for people complaining about the PS2, Gamecube, and Xbox not being allowed.

>>2127084
>>2127091
Is this some kind of meme or something?

Never. Cutoff is 1999 and staying that way.

>>>/v/

Or bounce over to eight-chan's /vr/ board, the cutoff there is (bizarrely enough) 2003.

>>2127101
Why? Just because of the date of release? The GBA shares more in common with the SNES than with the PS2 or Xbox.

>>2127108
Didn't know they had a /vr/ over there.

Never hopefully. Last thing we need is to let that era of games in. PS2 and xbox shit in this board would be the end of the board.

>>2127114
The Dreamcast shares more in common with the PS2, Xbox, and Gamecube than it does any 5th gen system. Yet, it's allowed.

So yes, because of the release date.

>>2127121
You're 100% wrong. But feel free to keep your incorrect opinion.

It would be cool if chans could have sub boards

/vr/1999
/vr/2003
etc

I really want to talk games like MMZ, FFTA, etc

its crazy that all those are over a decade old :__:

>greentext

>>2127084
Not untrue, but it also let a few good game devs revisit 2D/16 bit with some cool "modern" ideas.

Like, Ninja Five-O was like Shinobi but with a save system, a score attack mode, etc. TMNT was a great beat em up with a combo system etc. The Final Fight port had a bunch of great unlockable stuff. Zero Mission was basically Super Metroid 2 and had alternate endings, unlockables, different goals etc.

Just the fact that save batteries were way more common opened a lot of doors.

>>2127131
Again, go to eight-chan and start your own.

>>2127131
>How to make /vr/ a even slower board: the post

Just wait another year or two.

>>2127121
I'd be happy with a 2D/2.5D gaming board, there's a lot of modern-ish but old school stuff that just has to be left out of discussions.

Then again that would probably get clogged with cutesy indie trash, so maybe not.

>>2127102
It is the truth. GBA's library had an absolutely disproportional number of cheap, shitty licensed games, probably more than any other console in existence.

>>2127152
The majority of people for now are against any 6th gen garbage. I doubt it'll change.

>>2127131
I'd like to talk about the GBA Castlevanias and Metroids on here, but I think I'll go to eight-chan. Metroid threads tend to get shit up quickly on /v/.

>>2127156
I didn't know about it. The Spongebob PS1 game was fun from what I remember.

>>2127102
>>2127156

GBA had a damn lot of good games, anon.
I've always just ignored all of the shovelware ( which I agree there's mountains upon mountains of ).
Don't let bitter people on the internet tell you otherwise. Not all of the ports/remakes were bad, either. Some were superior, and even with added content ( FF1&2 and FF5 for example )

>>2127063
GBA had a good library of games but a shitty sound chip. Most ports suffered from it.

>>2127178
I like FF6 more than the SNES one purely because the better script. FF4 was complete shit in any version.

>>2127063
>>2127101
>>2127114
>>2127131
>>2127152

Just go to /vg/ or /v/ and make a 'GBA general/thread'

Though /vg/ is crowded, and /v/ is full of people who may have still been in diapers when the GBA was out.

>>2127178
I have a GBA with dozens of games. I love it. It has its gems. Wario Land 4, Shining Soul, Advance Wars, Boktai to name a few easily justified the console's existence, and having quality ports of SNES games before handheld emulation became widespread was great.

But 99% of GBA's library is infuriatingly awful licensed garbage. It really makes me sad to think that they basically made a portable SNES and pretty much only made spongebob shit for it. Such a waste. Why did the handheld gaming market suddenly become so neglected, even after Gameboy's quality run?

Every SNES port on the GBA is garbage. They either have a massive graphical downgrade, extreme amount of bugs, were poorly remade, have garbage colors due to no backlight, look like shit due to lower resolution, or control like ass because limited number of buttons.

>>2127102
haha no GBA/PS2 was the spongebob shit era though when i think back to licenses. GBC was the powerpuff girls, dexters lab cartoon nextwork shit era. Of course PS1 had its licensed trash like mary kate and ashley and that crap only increased the next generation. I just picked spongebob cause its one I remember

>>2127131
things that are one decade old nowadays are still not retro, and belive me that i feel older when i find out that DK is 30-ish years old instead of feeling old over FFTA

Also, you can discuss said games on /v/ so don't even bother coming here, GBA won't be retro at least for the rest of this decade

>>2127190
How many of these awful spongebob games you guys talk about there really was? Also, I liked the portable Spyro and Crash games. Judge me.

>>2127202
At least 12 spongebob games on GBA according to this: http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_games

And every movie and franchise big at the time got at least one game, at the expense of original releases. GBA was really the console for licensed games.

And GBA Spyro and Crashes weren't really half bad. Season of Ice was really, really meh, but Crash the Huge Adventure and Season of Flame were breddy gud.

>>2127192
This. I can't stand playing gba versions of ports.

>>2127190

To be fair, there were far, far too many console ports for the Gameboy that were absolute trash.

Same for the Gameboy Color.

GBA, though. Holy shit. Weren't there something of upwards of 2000 games on the damn thing, and only 30 of them were worth playing?

The DS had the same problem.

But this is December 31, 1999. So I have no idea what kind of crazy discussion we're having. Somebody must've spiked the punch, dawg!

>>2127212
holy shit, spongebob guy here. I knew there were a lot on the GBA but I didnt expect 12

ITT underaged fucks who were too young for the GBA during it's active life span

Sure, the GBA had a lot of licensed titles but that doesn't mean necessarily that the games are bad. Like Shaman King: master of Spirits, I love this game. It's basically a mixture of Classic- and Metroidvania with characters from my favourite manga.

Imho the best handheld ever.
But i habe the SP Version
Pic related.

Nintendo had a chance to make this and threw it out the window.

>>2127232
dude I had a GBA on launch I still don't want to talk about it. The only games were playing were the ports and a couple original titles. GBA games were so shit most of the time you got 2 for the price of one in those double crap packs. You

>>2127254
I'm mostly talking about the people who weren't aware of the GBA being shovelware heaven. Even as a older kid with a GBA I realized it had a shitload of crappy licenced games.

>>2127232
>>2127272
All of 6th gen console are like that.
Shovelware went to the fucking moon with that generation and later.

I have to say that while it did have many good games, it was probably the console woth the highest ratio of shovelware to quality ever, dare I say more than the PS2 and the Wii. Seriously, when I was going through a ROM site looking for shit to download, it felt like I had traveled back in time to ten years ago's TV. The idea of SNES/Genesis era ports was good, but most of them were worse than the originals (R-Type III and Sonic 1, what happened to you?). Shame it didn't last long, but it wasn't a big loss. The DS didn't fare better. In fact, neither does the 3DS. Hell, neither did the GBC. Why are portable consoles the ones that always get the most shovelware?

>>2127242
>SP D-pad and buttons

Absolutely fucking disgusting. Best GBA is an OG with an AGS-101 screen modded in and nothing else.

Sage for not retro.

Honestly, out of all the Nintendo handhelds, GBA is the weakest games wise. There are very few standouts. It's in no way a bad handheld, but compared to every other Nintendo handheld, it doesn't compare.

I love the GBA, but I can respect it not being allowed here for the time being. I don't think the shovelware argument is a particularly valid one though; nobody talks about bad games unless they're having fun taking the piss out of them, and it's not like other platforms haven't had shovelware. Just look at the NES for fuck's sake.

>>2127331
You know, if you're going to rules lawyer then you should be aware announcing sages is also against the rules.

However I agree with your assertion regarding the modded GBA.

>Submitting false or misclassified reports, or otherwise abusing the reporting system may result in a ban. Replying to a thread stating that you've reported or "saged" it, or another post, is also not allowed.

I may or may not have reported you.

The GBA has a good library of original games. Who the fuck are you guys?

>>2127371
We're StarFox.

I love the GBA to death, but it will never be retro. Never.

>>2127371
all of them of them with horrible sound

>>2127371
the Vita also has a good library of original games but that doesn't mean it's great. Compare the GBA library to the GB/GBC or NDS. It pales dramatically.

>>2127197
>you can discuss said games on /v/

SNES ports and Golden Sun. That's literally all it was good for.

>>2127423
>Golden Sun
>good
>no mention of Wario Land 4 or the Castlevanias
le trash man face

>>2127423
Advance Wars wasn't on the SNES, was it? The 3 Fire emblem titles? Boktai?

>>2127160
Meh, soon the kiddos won't even remember the 6th generation.

I for one, am pretty stoked when we get to talk about series with retro entries like Castlevania, Resident Evil, Megaman, Pokemon, etc.

Free of shitstorms and trolling.

>>2127423
Metroid: Zero Mission
WarioWare Twisted
Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga
Drill Dozer
Rhythm Tengoku
Advance Wars
Astro Boy: The Omega Factor
Ninja Five-O

How about no

>>2127434
Advance wars is known in japan as "insert platform here"wars. It's first entry I believe was on the NES.

>>2127392
Who gives a shit? Game Boy Advance came out in 2000. It was a slightly better SNES.

For the time, it was awesome.

>>2127434
>Advance Wars
While AW2 is my favourite, Super Famicom Wars laid a lot of groundwork for the AW games.
Also trains.
>Fire Emblem
SNES ones are better imo
>Boktai
I'll give you that.

>>2127440
I know. I'm saying the GBA ones were original titles.

>>2127440
That means it wasn't good?

>>2127448
Oh both were. Two of my favorites. Just making a clarification and got clarified myself. Though, in contrast, allowing those means both fire emblems are up for discussion too. Don't wish that plague on this board so soon.

No, spamming like a /v/ child will not get you what you want.

Stop this shit, you've read the sticky and know the rules.

>>2127461
>both
There were three, but the first one hasn't been released outside japan. There's a translation of it, though.

>>2127463
>spamming
It's the first time i posted this.

>>2127478
Anonymous is one person.

>>2127478
Then whoever is the other shitposter needs to fuck off with the second thread.

Good threads on the bottom are getting killed for this.

>>2127392
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxi3tbFnW5U

>>2127331
>101 screen

Enjoy your ghosting.

>>2127385
>I love the GBA to death, but it will never be retro. Never.

Not even in 2025?

To keep this thread barely retro, what GBA remakes are arguably better than the originals, and what are avoid at all costs?

>>2127512

>avoid at all costs?

SEGA Sonic the Hedgehog. It is fucking terrible, there are no redeeming factors.

>GBA remakes are arguably better than the originals

Metroid Zero Mission. Also the NES Classics series, if you want to play NES on the go and for some reason still carry a GBA/DS around.

>>2127512
Decent/Good/Great ones:
>BoF makes grinding easier and has a run button.
>Megaman and Bass is translated
>Micky and Donald 3 is translated
>Pokemon FireRed/LeafGreen fixed every single bug in the original
>FF remakes are arguably better, they have more content and bugfixes with patches to fix some of the shortcomings to some effect.

>>2127517
*mickey

>>2127517

>FF Remakes

VI was pretty good. IV was terrible though, they crowbarred in the ATB system from later games and it just doesn't work. You'll get shit like having two turns in a row, or HP inexplicably dropping for a few seconds after taking your turn.

That and I think IV is average-at-best among Final Fantasy but that's IMO.

>>2127521
IV had the ATB from the start.

>>2127512
I wish I had one of these.

>>2127521
FFIV has the ATB system in the original game, there is just no indicator bar. The GBA port is just garbage and broken.

>>2127521
V was also great, especially since you got all but one new job before the ending.

IV is better if you play the revised US version or an Euro ROM/PSP collection. It had the system from the start, they just fucked up big time with the first release.

>>2127525

>that gba mini

Hrrrrrng so fucking classy.

>Better
Boulder Dash. It even had the original.

Link to the Past is a tossup. It's better if you have some bros, because there's a combination of the new item you get either way and a whole new dungeon.

>>2127516
Zero Mission is the worst 2D Metroid. Fusion was fundamentally flawed but had some good ideas. Zero Mission brought nothing to the table.

>>2127530
It is (I have that exact one), but its horrible for playing FF games. The text is microscopic.

>>2127538
>I only care about the things I find in video games, not how fun it was to find them.

What about the whole 'fun' thing? There's no new items or mechanics, but all preexisting levels, mechanics and items have a new, tight feel to them. It's also a pretty good looking game, and perfect for speed running, as it's designed.

Is that really your reason for ZM being the worst 2D Metroid?

>>2127504
NEVER

>>2127538
>Zero Mission brought nothing to the table
Besides, you know, being fucking great

>>2127553
>fun
Just a buzzword, as proven before.

>>2127063
In about 3 years.

>>2127084
It had super circuit, for example. There was some stuff that was more "successor to snes game" then remake. Sage for not-quite retro.

>>2127108
>Never. Cutoff is 1999 and staying that way.

While I'm not agreeing with OP, 1999 cannot be the cutoff forever. I believe this board is called Retro games, not 20th Century Games.

By the time Gen 9 starts, the cutoff most likely will have to increase to 2005.

>>2127156
You seriously think the GBA had more shitty games than the Nintendo DS? That's a fucking joke

>>2127385
I don't think you understand how this works.

>all this hate for the GBA

Now I'll admit that I probably played my GBC a whole lot more than I did my GBA, however I'm surprised it has so much hate here besides the fact that it's not considered retro.

It did have backwards compatibility with the gameboy games. Which at the time was something really cool. Of course these days companies seem to want to avoid backward compatibility like the plague.

Now I played Pokemon more so than any handheld games but I figure the fact alone that GBA could play the old games as well should mean that the handheld was great regardless of all the shovelware it seemed to have had. I never got the SP model since I started losing interest in handheld gaming during the original GBA model's release.

I have been wanting to get into handheld games again.

When the 9th Gen consoles come out. So never.

>>2127567
Actually I'm not so sure on that. That would mean early 360 games would be allowed here. I think 1999 should be the cutoff. Not because of the 90's but because I think most games then follow a technology I as well as most would consider retro.

Perhaps another name should apply to games/consoles that aren't quite retro but aren't modern either?

>>2127485
are you saying this is good?

>>2127567
>9th gen
you have a lot of hope don't you.

>>2127580
>Actually I'm not so sure on that. That would mean early 360 games would be allowed here.

Then maybe instead of having just a year as a cutoff, we should also have generation as the cutoff. That way, we could still have 2005.

>I think 1999 should be the cutoff. Not because of the 90's but because I think most games then follow a technology I as well as most would consider retro.

By the time Gen 9 happens, 1999 would be too far behind of a cuttoff. Gamecube, PS2, and Xbox games from 2000-2005 cannot be considered modern by 2020.

>Perhaps another name should apply to games/consoles that aren't quite retro but aren't modern either?

Theres no such thing as "not quite retro, but not quite modern either".

>>2127576
>>2127598
>9th gen is never happening

You can't be this retarded, right?

Even when the vidya crash in the 80's happened, a new gen came after.

>>2127559
>fun is a buzzword

I'm dead inside as well, bro, but damn.

>>2127607
that's a reference to a famous /v/ post.

Question. How the hell does Boktai even work on an emulator?

>>2127606
I'm sure it'll happen but whether or not it's a console is the question.

We should drop the retro thing and take up "ages" like with comics and toys.

>>2127538
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>2127538
Super Metroid autist detected.

>>2127610
There's a patch that lets you control the sunlight detector levels by pressing R1/L1+up and down if I recall correctly. I think there was something like that for Boktai 2 as well.

Without the patch the games are obviously unplayable on emulators.

>>2127638

Thanks. Gonna go hunt it down.

>>2127084
That's because the GBA was the cheapest thing to develop for before smartphones made mobile gaming into the virtually money-for-free boon for licensed crap we see toady.

>>2127525
A have that Micro with Firered inside it somewhere, but I can't find it.

>>2127291
Lower development costs (due to having lesser hardware) and higher sales (because you can't just buy one DS for a family with six kids if you don't want them to shank each other over it).

It was worth it for the Castlevanias and Metroids alone. Golden Sun was fun. The Pokemons were sublime. I got to play Tales of Phantasia for the first time on you my GB boo. Yes you were the best.

>>2127291
R-Type 3 should never have happened. The devs weren't given the source code to work with.

>>2127608
I love this post so fucking much.

>>2127610
It doesn't properly, so you have to use cheats. I think someone interested enough could create a special emulator just for it, though, since modern cellphones have something on them that regulates the light output based on external luminosity.

>mods are asleep post gba

>>2127663
MyBoy emulates the solar thingy and there's patches for all three.

>>2127393
If we're strictly talking exclusives here, the Color has the absolute worst library of the Game Boy lineup. A handful of decent games and an absurd amount of shovelware.

>>2127667
Seriously? I never heard of this. Just download it and play?

>>2127668
>A handful of decent games
Seriously. Ignoring remakes and backwards compatible games, what is there? Poke Crystal, Wario Land 3, the Zeldas, ...Mario Tennis?

The problem with the GBA library is not the shovelware, it's the fact that there's few flagship games not tied to any franchise. PSX had obscene amounts of shovelware too, but nobody remembers them, and people instead talk about the good games made for it. But while the PSX has tons of standalone games made for it, most of the good GBA games are ports, ports/sequels (think Klonoa: Empire of Dreams or Gunstar Super Heroes) or sequels. It's harder to be memorable when every good game carries the name of an equally good or better game from a previous generatoin. I think the only flagship series for the GBA is Golden Sun, which yes, is a horribly overrated and boring RPG.

But even so there's a lot of good games in the GBA, like the Castlevanias, Metroid, Mother 3, Boktai, etc. It was very solid tech when used right, and also very very experimental. Gamecube linking, e-reader cards, wireless adapter, gba video, etc. Most of them were failures but still very interesting attempts to expand the uses of the device, much like the GBC's infrared and camera.

Anyway I do wish we could talk about GBA here, it feels retro to me both due to its age and tech. And I really think the cutoff date is arbitrary and just convenient enough so that Dreamcast is included without any rhyme or reason. People worrying about a slippery slope that will allow the rest of the 6th generation should have complained the moment Dreamcast was allowed in. Dreamcast has MUCH more in common with the PS2 and Xbox than the GBA does.

We should either roll the cutoff date up every year, or have actual discussion about which generations are retro. Our current system works for now, but since it lacks solid reasoning it won't work forever. We need an actual logic behind it so that people won't randomly ask for X thing to be included, which is what we basically do - we randomly just set X date without any logic to it.

>>2127698
PS1 started the shovelware craze but it was raised to catastrophic levels in the ps2/gba era.

>>2127698
what's the worst that could happen? GBA games will never be talked about in /v/ aside from rec or nostalgia threads. i mean, IMO games only really stopped having that retro feel after the gamecube era when the shift to HD graphics and cinematic styles hit.

anyway, if 50 people start talking about GBA games one day i really doubt they'll get silenced

>>2127718
>what's the worst that could happen?
Golden Sun threads.

>>2127715
It didn't start it. Wasn't even bad compared to PS2 level of garbage.
2nd gen had shitloads of shovelware but that was due to no licensing.
The big difference is the amount and the price.
-Before 6th gen shovelware was rarely the price of a normal game excluding sports titles.
-Before 6th gen shovelware rarely was advertised/put on the shelf with the top games.

6th gen started the garbage shovelware being the same price as a normal game and taking up entire stores.

>>2127538
The 1st Metroid is the worst.

>>2127720
Even worse: Pokemon General.

>>2127559
Gud meem :^]

>>2127723
Did LJN games cost less than normal games?

>>2127728
I thought people only talked about newer pokémon games nowadays.

>>2127730
Me and my wife loved your approval.

>>2127715
Yeah especially PS2, the amount of shovelware for PAL regions (where Sony let anything be published) is staggering.

Even so nobody discusses shovelware when talking about the PS2 beyond mere occasional curiosity. How much shovelware the GBA has should have no bearing on banning or allowing its inclusion.

>>2127718
>games only really stopped having that retro feel after the gamecube era when the shift to HD graphics and cinematic styles hit.
I feel the same way too actually, but I think we may be a minority. For me the sixth generations consoles, especially the PS2, mark the transition stage between retro and "cinematic", but still feel retro themselves to some degree.

Even so including the WHOLE sixth generation into this board should merit discussion (outside of 6th gen hanhelds it's not something I care for personally) and an actual set of rules that don't amount to "because the mod says so", and I think it's important /vr/ has this at some point.

>>2127720
>Golden Sun threads
We already give thread slots for the endless "Earthbound is so deep guys" threads, for the "we're here because /vg/ is too crowded lol" Doom and etc generals, for the Chronos, for all sorts of things. I can talk about any SNES game I want in exchange for letting hipsters fetishize Earthbound, and if GBA is allowed you'll be able to talk about any GBA game you want in exchange of letting whoever is braindead enough to seriously like GS have a thread. It's not a bad tradeoff, we already have stuff like that going on here.

>>2127735
Only in /vp/, because gens 1 and 2 are accepted here. 3 has a romhack community that we're already struggling to keep out of here.

>>2127735
GB and GBC are retro and Pokemon generals on /vr/ are not actually a thing. Both because it's a breach of rules (I think? Is /vp/ as anally contained as /mlp/?) and because it's trendy among the cool kids to shit on the older Pokemon generations.

GBA may have had a lot of shovelware but it's nowhere near as bad as what you see on smartphones today.

>>2127742
No, /v/ and /vr/ bring it up all the time last I checked. The only thing barring a general (and therefore opening the floodgates of shit thanks to ORAS and already established memes) is exclusion of GBA.

>>2127756
This. With remakes being perfectly okay to discuss you've opened up /vp2/.

>>2127734
Some of them. They made a lot of games.

>>2127728
There could just be a rule that pokemon generals go to /vp/ or /vg/

>>2127769
Doesn't work that way, same reason as Doom: retrogen threads die pretty quick in either.

>>2127772
Really? I've been on this board since the beginning but I must've missed that stuff. Mind explaining?

>>2127728
Even though, can't we simply use hide? It's just like >>2127737 said. also, what makes you think they'd come here when they already have /vp/?

>>2127779
tl;dr back when /q/ existed Doomgen asked if they could move here strictly because /vg/ was too fast of a board for it, and we were and are quite slow. It flourished ever since.

Best games ive played
>Astro Boy
>Wario Land series
>Kirby's Dreamland
>Mega Man BN 1-3
>Mario and Luigi SS
>Danny Phantom
>Alien Hominid
>Boktai series
>Drill Dozer
>Gunstar Super Heroes
>Buster's Bad Dreams
>Klonoa series
>Medabots AX
>Rhythm Heaven
>Densetsu no Stafy
>Mother 3
>River City Ransom EX
>Summon Knight

Meh tier
>Lady Sia
>ZOE: Fist of Mars
>DK King of Swing
>Kirby and the Amazing Mirror
>Tales of Phantasia
>Crash Bandicoot/Spyro series
>Digimon Battle Spirit
>Sonic Battle

>>2127181
>GBA had a good library of games but a shitty sound chip.
That's the reverse. It had mostly awful library of games but it's sound chip was capable.

>>2127914
I disagree but ok.

>>2127914
SoundVoyager is still one of the most aurally awesome games I've ever played.

>>2127815
To this day Superstar Saga still blows me away with its humor and creative design. Apparently one of the Lovedelic guys worked on the monster designs. Fuck, I'm replaying that soon.

>>2127737
this, i think we should just start talking about gen 6 stuff and see where it goes

I bought a GBA solely to open up the little vacation island in Animal Crossing... actually, the GBA was a Valentine's Day present to my ex-wife... she was nutso about that game at the time. My GBA has never even had a cartridge installed.

>>2127189
Nobody on /v/ right now is over the age of 20, let alone would have ever owned a GBA.

/vr/'s attitude towards Gamecube era/GBA games is ridiculous. You don't want to bring in /v/ trash, but it's not like the SMW/SMB3 or Nintendo vs. Sega wars are any better. /vr/ should allow up to 2002. We're now two generations removed from GCN/PS2/XBox. Kids on /v/ and /vg/ have no interest in those games. Just because they're blocky polygonal or 16-bit doesn't mean trash is going to flood this board.

>>2127364
>>2127291
didn't PS1 get a lot of shovelware and licensed games too? might ctually be cheaper to develop for PS1 because CD-medium. shovelware is problem with ALL popular consoles.

case in pint . Sega CD's muh FMVs

>>2128086
this. i hate jenny. that or we could split /v/ into /pc/ mustard rice, and /console/

>>2128086
>"I'm mad that my thread on /v/ was shitposted in so I demand /vr/ change so I can discuss whatever stupid piece of shit I'm playing!"

>>2128124
>defending /v/ shitposting

go back to /v/, u flithy crossboarder

solution: GBA General in /vg/. Now fuck off.

>>2127434
the GBA fire emblem titles marked the downfall of the series, Thracia 776 would have been just the beginning, we could have gotten a turn based strategy almost on par with X-com but no, instead we got dumbed down gameplay, a shit ton of mechanics ripped out and writing that got worse and worse.

>>2128127
holy fuck you are stupid.

>>2128086

Hey, I'm 20 and I owned a Gameboy Color and a Gameboy Advance. I can't stand /v/ because the discussion is so piss poor, and Zelda threads on /v/ can't hold a candle to Zelda threads on /vr/. I would love to be able to discuss the 6th gen here, but I also think it would be better for /vr/ as a whole to stay around the era's it focuses on. So we should at least wait until 2016 or so before we allow that, since we'll be 10 years past the 7th gen's launch.

>>2128246

*eras

>mods deleted ps2 thread
>not this one

GBA IS ALLOWED NOW.

>>2127785
The same thing happened with RollerCoaster Tycoon Generals. I don't remember anyone asking if RCTgens could be allowed in /vr/ though. I do remember we debated about it, though, in the same RCTgen threads that were made in /vr/; The general consensus was that the threads died too quickly in either /v/ or /vg/ and that /vr/ was a good place. Also, the RCTgens didn't seem to bother the other /vr/ troopers.

I knew /v/ was not the place for RCTgens. So I tried /vg/ and it was a disaster.

Then I started making them on /vr/ on a regular basis and I guess the mods also understood it was the best place for them (I'm sure they read our debates as to where RCTgens should be made and why). Now, I don't make them anymore as I'm a little bit tired of the game and it can be quite time-consuming, but it has a life of it's own now: the RCTgen threads are still being made.

>>2127512
Super Mario 3 would be the best version if we could have all the E-Card levels in one game. Even using the hacked sav file method doesn't provide enough space for them all.

>the guy shitposting with GBA's thread is deleted
>this one stands
Is it because of the retro port talk?

this thread is ridiculous.

deleted posts within a rule-violating thread but the thread remains?

fuck you mods, fuck you so hard.

>>2128478
I'm guessing it's because we're actually talking about the state of /vr/ with it, and about things /vr/ related about it. Great lot of talk about retro ports and whatnot, we've always been able to talk about those with no problem here.

All but this thread was nuked so there's a reason somewhere.

>>2127512
Street Fighter Alpha 3. I'm not even kidding, it's a wonder how it was actually decent.

GBA actually had a pretty interesting fighting line-up.

>>2128241
Meanwhile, wars series got it's best titles in that era.

And then promptly died after one more game.

>>2128491
There mods are fucking retarded.

>sorry you posted about GBA in a GBA thread
>*deletes*

These mods are fucking retarded.

>sorry you posted about GBA in a GBA thread
>*deletes*

Guessing a moderator made this thread.

>>2128478
Mods on /vr/ are overopinionated shitstains who let their personal preferences get ahead of actual moderation.

>they do it for free

>>2128527

Everybody post your /vr/ bans

>>2128535
You seem really upset.

>>2128535
You deserved it.

>>2128535
I'm more than happy to shit on mods but that wasn't exactly a quality post you had going there.

>>2128535

thats what you get for shitposting. I hope everyone in this goddamn thread gets banned.

except me

Most probably when the we are in the middle stage of the PS4, Xboxone and Wiiu era. Seems like a logical date.

Heck, discussion about the ps2, Xbox and Gamecube may be possible in the future.

>>2127063

Perhaps we can eventually discuss it when the people who want to discuss it are mature adults?

>>2127063

When all the gamestops stop carrying them.

Is that good enough for you?

>>2128565

I haven't seen GBA stuff in a Gamestop in a long time.

>>2127178

It does have some good games, but there were so many GBA games of varying quality released that the few good ones seem like dumb luck. Here's all the GBA games that start with E:

Earthworm Jim
Earthworm Jim 2
Ecks vs. Sever
Ed, Edd n Eddy: Jawbreakers
Ed, Edd n Eddy: The Mis-Edventures
Egg Mania: Eggstreme Madness
Elevator Action Old & New
Elf: The Movie
Enchanted: Once Upon Andalasia
ESPN Final Round Golf
ESPN Final Round Golf 2002
ESPN Great Outdoor Games: Bass 2002
ESPN International Winter Sports 2002
ESPN X Games Skateboarding
ESPN Winter X-Games Snowboarding
E.T. The Extra Terrestrial
everGirl
Extreme Ghostbusters: Code Ecto-1
Extreme Mahjong Deluxe:
EZ-Talk

>>2128567

It's because you go to the wrong gamestops. the bigger ones still carry GBA, PSP, PS2, XBOX, and Gamecube games. Go ahead and search it on their website. If gamestop carries it, it's not retro.

>>2127815
why is sanic battle meh to you? I think it's one of the best sonic titles period honestly. excluding the genesis titles anyway.

>non /vr/ thread
>posts stating so are deleted
>posts stating the mod's arbitrary moderation and deletion of posts that are inconsistent of the board's rules deleted


Get your shit together you hot pocket devouring faggots

>>2128576
Eeeeh... I disagree. It's not horrid, but it's still not amazing.

Would've been a bit better if the game wasn't such a chore at the start though (Emerl fights).

>>2127063
We can talk about it here, with exceptions.
>plays GB/C games
>all of those SNES remakes

I've yet to see a GBA port / remake that's superior to the original version.

>>2128643
Not even Boulder Dash?

>>2127212
All the GBA Spyros had horrible isometric cameras that made it hard to judge distance and height which are both pretty important in a platformer. GBA Crash was dope though no arguments there.

>>2128557
Ps2 came out first then the gba.

thank you based mods

>The Game Boy Advance (ゲームボーイアドバンス Gēmu Bōi Adobansu?), often shortened to GBA, is a 32-bit handheld video game console developed, manufactured and marketed by Nintendo. It is the successor to the Game Boy Color. It was released in Japan on March 21, 2001; in North America on June 11, 2001; in Australia and Europe on June 22, 2001; and in the People's Republic of China on June 8, 2004 (excluding Hong Kong).

>>2128643
They're superior if you prefer portability and extra content (like the extra levels in Yoshi's Island and SMB3 E-card levels and the new dungeon and redone script in FF6). But most will say the original versions are better because of the better sound and graphics.

>>2128703

Didn't the mod delete your thread? Pretty sure thats all you need to know, you autistic piece of shit.

>>2128709
Stay mad ;)

>This board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games. Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier. With the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro", though the remainder of the sixth generation (Xbox, PS2, GameCube) will not.

>>2128713

People like you ruin this board more than the occasional non retro thread :^)

MOD MOD MOD MOD

just fucking tell us why you're retarded and delete so many on topic threads while leaving this fucking shit

that's all i want


an answer to your stupidity

>>2128727
:^) nice joke comrade

>>2128728
THIS

>>2128728
I done already told you. If the topic of your thread becomes the least bit controversial - you know, like a 4chan thread then it's now automatically assumed that somebody is discriminating against somebody else whether it be guys against girls, 30-somethings against 30-somethings, Asians against Westerners, or even two kinds of emufags against each other your thread gets deleted.

Meanwhile, as this drives off the quality, thoughtful and deep posters who enjoy a little spice - to keep the overall traffic of the board the same on paper they're allowing off-topic but not controversial threads like this one and funneling a newer, friendlier, lamer kind of poster in.

It's all part of the extremely short-sighted strategy to polish up this turd and sell it off because moot's fiance wants half of a few million dollars not half of the internet's asshole.

Maybe we can create some kind of socially unjust reaction to consoles from after 1999 and get a vortex going but I doubt it.

can someone explain what im doing wrong it's not going away

>>2128728
>delete so many on topic threads
archive.moe/vr

check all the manually deleted threads that are on topic.

>>2128739
Not that anon.
The majority of this thread isn't even about GBA games.

Like I and others have said we need to make ages for games like with comics and toy collecting. A 1990s comic doesn't automatically become a bronze age comic because it's 20 years old. It stays modern as it should. It's no different with video games.

I really don't understand why this is so hard for people to understand.

moot@4chan.org

just email him with a screencap of you reporting this and it going ignored

>>2128705
No wonder fake GBA games were everywhere in China in 2006, while NDS ones were kind of hard to find.
They would run on a real GBA, and cost only about a dollar, but save files would never work.
I only just realized those days have been gone for quite some time.

>>2128740
The mods are having a bit of fun.

>>2128760

See, the problem with allowing GBA is the amount of PS2 shitposting that's happening right the fuck now.

If we allow GBA, people will bitch about allowing PS2, which would lead to people bitching about allowing Xbox (even if it's just to piss other people off), and that means allowing Halo on /vr/ which would kill the whole purpose of this board.

Never. Not /vr/ mooooooods mooooooooods moooooooooods moooooooods please eliminate this rule breaking thread.

>>2128769
That's why we must keep fighting the Dreamcast. The rules haven't changed so it's still reportable and some DC threads and post still get removed.

>>2128772

Really? DC was released in 1998, it's fine.

>>2128773
It's banned in name as a sixth generation console and has always been.
Some mod changed the sticky to pretend that it's allowed under some phony argument and since then the DC spammers have switched over to GBA and PS2.

You will never see gba or the ps2. They are not within the spectrum of the rules. We have rules for a reason. Not /vr/.
Mods why is this thread still active?

>>2128776

I thought /vr/ was not meant to be about generations, but rather about a time limit, and that's 1999.

Weren't the rules always "1999 and before"?

I do remember the whole DC debate and how at first nobody was sure whether to include it or not, but I think the 1999 rule was there since day one, wasn't it?

This is about to turn into a Spider-Man thread

>>2128772
>>2128776

>>2128783
The original rule was 1999 and before and no fifth generation. Then it was quickly changed to 2001 and before and no sixth generation and shortly afterwards it ended as the current 1999 and before and no sixth generation.

>>2128789
>Then it was quickly changed to 2001
that never happened

>>2128789

I don't remember any of that and I've been here since day one.

5th gen was always allowed and encouraged here. At least I do remember my Goemon threads from the early days.

>>2128789

>>2128792
https://archive.moe/q/thread/493056/#q493071

>>2128797
i thought it was an error and was changed back to 1999

>for free

>>2128825

>>2128827

Reminds of that flash about a frog who kills and rapes another frog and then masturbates and fries his eyes by look at the sun.

>>2128740
Because 2001 is retro now, you mong. /v/ doesn't discuss gameboy advance.

>>2128835
Except it isn't.

Why doesn't /vr/ have dubs?

>>2128839
But /v/ doesn't talk about sixth gen at all. It's like you're afraid of shitposting or a decrease in quality, but no one from /v/ is going to come flooding in here because no one from /v/ even cares about those games.

>>2128843
/v/ doesn't decide if something is retro.
Unless you're just using the term "retro" as an arbitrary term for anything old.
In which case you have no argument because no other hobby does that.

>>2128843
/v/ is irrelevant in this context. /vr/ isn't a lifeboat or garbage bin for /v/, it's a board for retro games.

>>2128850
>>2128849
>game that is 13 years old
>NOT RETRO

Do you realize how ridiculous you sound?

>>2128832
Flash is retro, the original release was in 1996.

>>2128853
I wish we had a 18+ rule.

>>2128860
>no actual counter argument
>Y-YOU'RE UNDERAGED

Keep going, this is cute.

>>2128853
I'd ask the same of you?
I'll use the same example again I did before. Just because a comic is from the 90s doesn't pop that shit it into bronze age because it's now old.
You have the same with toy collecting. An example being tin toys. You don't have tin toys from the 70s suddenly being included with the 50s and earlier toys because they're old.

It makes no damn sense to call something retro just because it's old unless you're just an ignorant asshole and/or a resseller.

>>2128861
I was talking about games. we already have a 18+ rule for posters.
I don't see PS1, N64 or late 90s Windows games as retro.

>>2128853

Stop shitting up our board. There is /vg/ for this stuff. We just want to talk about retro games. Games 6th generation and since have a decidedly different feel and userbase than the earlier games. It's not about some arbitrary cutoff date, it's the type of games and the type of players that are different.

Jesus and you pride yourselves better than /v/? What the fuck is wrong with you grandpas? The GBA is a fucking good handheld and it has good games that are not remakes or ports. Also fuck you, the fact that all of you are discussing what should be the guidelines for this board to stay retro means none of you know shit.

>>2128867
By that logic, why even have this board? Why cling onto such a strict 1999 rule? What is the explicit different between games release in 1998 and 2000?

I'm not advocating suddenly discussing games released in the entirety of the 2000's. But first gen Gamecube releases, or Gameboy Advance would not seem out of place, especially since alot of games released on these consoles are direct sequels to games /vr/ accepts as "retro".

>>2128869
No, /vg/ does not discuss gameboy advance. Can't you comprehend this?

At the moment there exists a gray area of games, released between 2000 and 2003ish that aren't discussed at all because /v/ is filled with underage children who don't care to discuss them, and /vr/ who seem afraid to move the goalposts up if only a couple years. Where am I supposed to discuss Gameboy Advance on 4chan?

>>2128872
/vr/ is essentially /v/-tards that have been on 4chan for a very long time.

>>2128872

>>2128872

This isn't the "good games" board. Jesus fucking christ. It is "retro" games. The GBA is not retro. Hell, half the shit considered retro here isn't.

>>2128875
Nice /v/ meme macrolitt! :^) You guys sure are better than /v/!

>>2128643
FFVI has added content and major bug fixes. Personally I prefer the translation and graphics over the original.

Sound is the only thing that's unquestionably inferior.

>>2128876

The what the fuck is your definition of retro? Graphics? Bits? Years? Time frame? What?

We've been talking about it for over 200 posts. Guess it's allowed now, huh?

>>2128874
>By that logic, why even have this board? Why cling onto such a strict 1999 rule? What is the explicit different between games release in 1998 and 2000?
Because there is a large group of people who enjoy retro games.
Some people may argue that parts of 6th gen are retro or maybe all of 6th. For the most part the majority supports the cuttoff being 6th gen.
This makes sense for a lot reasons. I’ll just list a few. These are for consoles specifically and not PC or handheld systems. The first two are facts for the major release consoles and the third is opinion.
The biggest difference. NO FUCKING DLC. There were certain streaming services but those were extremely limited and short lived. For as America is concerned they didn’t exist.
Second: No internet connectivity. (includes LAN) again about the streaming services.
Third: Still a lack of internet guides and easy mode you beat the game no matter what shit.

>>2128872
You do know what the current rules are right? Or you just shitposting and giving more support as to why the rules will never change?

>>2128890
I think the mods are trying to gauge community opinions since it's a ridiculously grey area.

>all those Ace Attorney threads I'll be able to sneak onto /vr/ when that happens

Aw yiss.

>>2128896
Yet they deleted the ps2 thread.

>>2128896
Yeah, if only there were a board where we could voice our opinions and /q/uestions on these sort of things...

>>2128898

And this is why I said this:
>>2128769

>>2128902
Well the ps2 came out first. I mean if going purely by year. As the sticky seems to show.

>>2128886

Anything after the video game crash isn't retro.

>>2128892

I know the rules, doesn't mean that they make much sense. DLC for example was not a concern until last gen, 6th gen was free of that shit. Also I don't understand this elitist "muh secrit club" mentality I'm seeing right here, what is the problem of including games from PC or handhelds even going by the rules and staying in 1999? You are not making any sense here and you and the others like you just seem autist in their fucking demands.

I will make the same question what the fuck is retro then? What are the parameters? Graphics? Sound? Gameplay? Time frame? Years? Bits? What?

>>2128909

Retro is whenever is old enough to keep shitheads like you away.

>>2128918

You sure are better than /v/ :^)

>>2128750
>Email moot!

Yeah, I've done that with screencapped threads that were breaking the rules. The threads remained up until they finally got pushed off the board. Emailing moot is a waste of time since he doesn't do shit unless it's CP. You're better off just spamming the board with threads until the offending thread gets pushed off. You will get rid of the thread faster that way.

So, moot doesn't bother to enforce the rules when he see's mods doing nothing, and the mods only delete posts/threads that point out how they aren't doing their jobs, since "Complaining about 4chan" is one of the only rules still enforced.

I say go ahead and post about whatever console you want here, it's not like the mods will do anything. Sucks to lose /vr/ to shitposting, but if the mods won't enforce the rules there's nothing we can realistically do.

>>2128892
>The biggest difference. NO FUCKING DLC.
Do you even realize how many expansion packs for PC games like Doom were released? Expansion packs are basically the same damn thing.

>>2128924
If there's CP you report it as illegal content or go to IRC.

>>2128928
Good job failing at reading there.
>>2128909
>6th gen was free of that shit.
Incorrect. XBOX was promoted heavily with xboxlive and games like HALO2 have a lot of DLC.

>Also I don't understand this elitist "muh secrit club" mentality I'm seeing right here
As said there’s nothing different from how other hobbies sub divide themselves.
>I will make the same question what the fuck is retro then? What are the parameters? Graphics? Sound? Gameplay? Time frame? Years? Bits? What?
Pre 6th generation for many reasons.
-NO DLC
-NO LAN/Online play
-shift from platformers being the number 1 sellers to fps becoming the top
-proprietary game mediums
The differences just keep going. Ya you have Dreamcast which is made to be an exception just because it shares so many 5th gen games.

>>2128920

The point is that the current rule at 1999, is too late anyway. By that point games were decidedly different. Games became more cinematic and hand holdy, and less just focused on gameplay. Though all games always touted "NEW GRAPHICS" "HIGH RESOLUTION", the entrance of 3d really changed things.

However, 5th gen ended up being allowed so that this board would get >300 posts a day. If 6th gen was allowed the amount of posts and speed of this board would go up significantly, which is what I am sure most people are afraid of. Great MAME and Phantasy Star threads and the like would be kicked off for moar HALO and Call of Duty threads. The SAME type of threads that are in /v/.

The point is to keep the boards decidedly different. 5th and, even moreso 6th generation is almost indistinguishable from modern gaming. Where all that mattered was MUH HYPE.

>>2128935
>The point is that the current rule at 1999, is too late anyway.
It should be 1995. That's a way better point for a cut.

>>2128935
>I don't like those games so they don't count.

>>2128935
5th gen had some of the best games ever made. I don't know what hype crap you're talking about. Provide some examples?

>>2128935

This. It's all about the content, and what is interesting to certain groups. Yes, we are all gaming grandpa's, but that is the point. /v/ is for children, and /vr/ is for gaming grandpas. Why would anyone want to bring stuff that children want to talk about here? Then gaming grandpas have nowhere left.

If that means there is a section where people can't get video game discussion on games created from 2000-2003, then make a fucking general on /vg/, and if enough people give a shit you can talk about it there. If not, fuck off.

There are enough people that give a shit about pre2000 gaming to have its own board. Maybe if you get enough Halo faggots together you can form your own board instead of taking ours.

>PS2 thread got deleted but GBA didn't

Note that I'm against either of them being allowed, but I'm worried about that because it means the mods might be trying to make GBA allowed.

I'm against GBA because of the slippery slope. Yes, DC being allowed is the reason more GBA/PS2 threads are being made, but people have a decided rule, that's listed in the sticky, on why it's allowed (release date).

If you allow GBA you throw that rule out the window; going by release date, now you HAVE to allow PS2, Gamecube, and XBox games, which means Halo, Call of Duty, and other instant-shitposting topics that could be created by allowed XBox and PS2, all of that gets in.

By allowing GBA you have to (I mean the hotpocketmen could go "because I say so" but that would lead to a lot of shitposting on its own) allow the rest of sixth Gen because of release dates, which we defined at the board's inception as the decision of what console were and weren't retro.


tl;dr With the Dreamcast's addition already causing threads like this and PS2 to be made, adding GBA would just open the floodgates further because it fucks the system we agreed on using by letting a system past said date go through.

It's biased to let one thing through without reason, and you GBA-fags all know it. By your arguments we might as well let PSP and DS in here since they're also not as graphically capable as the Dreamcast.

>>2128940

No, it's that the games you're talking about are more similar to the games in /v/ than in /vr/. Thats why they belong there. MOST games released before 1999 are more similar to retro games than they are Halo.

>>2128951
First you said
>5th and, even moreso 6th generation is almost indistinguishable from modern gaming
Now you're saying they're different here?
>MOST games released before 1999 are more similar to retro games than they are Halo

>>2128935

Well that I can understand, so what you are saying is that retro would be 2d and no Internet, well that may be the case, then what would you propose a board would be called for games that are from 5th gen upwards, that are not "retro" but are not modern per se either?

>>2128951
You already have 3d games on /vr/ with ps1/pc/dreamcast/n64. So no I don't see it.

>>2128941

FF7, Bubsy, etc.

Think people, the games released after 1999 (and a few years before it) are more comparable to non/vr/ titles than they are /vr/ titles.

Think about it.

Take any game that is decidedly agreed upon to be retro (Metroid, or Super Mario Bros), and a game that is NOT retro (Halo). Now, when in history did games switch from being like SMB to being like Halo.

It was when the 6th generation systems came out.

So please, please, don't allow systems that play games that are more similar to PS4 games than NES games on our /vr/.

Please, mod. I'm begging you.

>>2128907

Yeah I mean, it doesn't matter which came first, I'm plain saying we stick to out current rule and avoid the whole GBA/PS2/Xbox/(PSP?). This board is fine as is. I don't think 'retro' when I think PS2 or Xbox, and I'm sure many, many people here know what I'm talking about. GBA is a portable SNES, that ain't retro, you play yer SNES on yer CRT, sonny.

I'm being a bit ironic, but I really mean everything I said. The current rules for this board are okay. They don't need to make absolute sense. They keep the board in order, and that's good enough.

Allowing any of the other consoles, PS2, GBA, whatever, would make a huge domino fall and this board would become... something that is not /vr/.

>>2128769
If Halo is 15 years old, which it will be come 2016, it'll be absolutely retro. I'm sorry to burst your bubble.

It's like I'm really on /v/. You're all /v/, just 27 years old instead of 17.

>>2128950
Remember back when the DC fans were shitposting and spamming the board demanding to be allowed here? Remember all those people saying "Slippery slope"? Remember how all the DC fans said "That won't happen!"

Still waiting for the DC fags to admit they didn't give a shit about the rules or dragging down the quality of the board, just as long as they got what they wanted.

Best way to fix /vr/ would be to throw the DC fags back out.

>>2128957
>>2128961

It's because the cutoff date of 1999 is a little too far, but I can see it's reasoning. The ps1 and n64 had retro-type games on it, but also was ushering in a new era of gaming. However, the ps2 doesn't have any retro gaming on it.

To be completely honest, the GBA is almost okay in my book. The gaming on the GBA is more similar to retro gaming than it is modern (non handheld) gaming.

The SNES, Saturn etc all played retro type games, with just better graphics. The ps1 and n64 followed suit, while also introducing modern gaming. The ps2 and gamecube and xbox had very little games that are similar to retro games on them, and were completely dominated by non retro titles.

>>2128974
Ps2/gamecube/xbox had 2d games.

By going with grandpas demands then this board should only allow up to the SNES, the change from 2D to 3D was a big game changer which allowed all those thing they despise, so /vr/ should change its rules or be no more and instead have a 2D retro board and a 3D board that allows only 5th and 6th gen topics.

And you guys are really no better than /v/, you are just more bitter but still as retarded as they are.

>>2128974
How can you say it introduced modern gaming when the top selling games were still platformers?
>>2128968
I can list crappy games for NES.
I can list amazing late release games for 5th gen. How late are you talking?
Conker's Bad Fur Day came out really late.

Ok. I see. This isn't a retro games board, it's an "EEEW NEW TECHNOLOGY" board. Fucks sake, grow up.

>>2128971

But who says 15 years means something is officially retro, though?

Anyway, I'm sticking to the 1999 rule, not because it makes sense, or because there's a certain age the games and consoles become retro, but rather because it's just a way to keep the board in order.

Besides, 1999 seems like the very best year to divide the "past" (20th century) with the present and future, the 21st.

>>2128972
This.

Either let all of the 6th gen in or throw DC out. It's painfully obvious that the only reason the limit is set to 1999 is to allow DC discussion.

People here are even tossing their own individual definition of what retro is (it's not JUST old! etc, as in >>2128867) and all of them disqualify the Dreamcast: 3D intensive, internet connection, it all started to go mainstream there.

If the only reason the DC is allowed is because it has tons of retro ports, then guess which sixth generation handheld is just like that?

The slippery slope IS real and yeah, it's just because of the DC spam forcing a nonsensical rule that was bound to fall apart as time moves on.

>>2128972
They didn't give a shit about the DC, they just wanted to hollow out the rules for further shit.
The rules still exclude the DC. >>>/vr/rules/ Keep reporting them until moot says otherwise.

>>2128985
>>2128990

yeah, now fuck off. No one goes to the fashion board and fucking bitches that they cant talk about working out. There are boards with different rules. Stop migrating to a different board, deciding its not what you like, and forcing all the happy people here to change. If you don't like being limited to discussing things pre 1999, then fucking go somewhere else. I suggest atetchan, their vr board goes up to 2003 and you can talk 6th gen to your hearts content.

>>2128972
I'm against throwing out DC, honestly; I've never owned a DC or played a game on it, but its similar library to the 5th Gen and its release date give it a lot more traction; moreso than that, though, I think backpedaling on that would cause just as many problems as moving further. We'd get a ton of shitposting by DC fans and people that just want to use it as an excuse to shitpost, and you'd have the people in this thread who want to get rid of 5th Gen being more vocal. It'd open up a huge can of worms. I think maybe it wasn't the best idea to include DC in the first place, but /vr/ stabilized and now DCfags are just fine and create good discussion in the board; another major shift, in either direction, might not be as easy to stabilize, and might just turn /vr/ into a hive of shitposting.

>>2129009

this, it's all about keeping out the shitposting.

Why not just allow pocket SNES discussion for like 2 weeks and see what happens?

>muh slippery slope boogeyman

This board is so tiresome nowadays.

>>2129014

how about going back to doing your job you failmod

>/vr/ has been around for over a year
>people STILL don't understand the rules
What is it about "everything up to and including the Dreamcast" that you idiots do not get? It's really not as confusing as you make it out to be. All console games released on platforms up to and including the Dreamcast, and all PC/arcade games released in 1999 or earlier. That's what is discussed here. That's it. No GBA, no PS2, no Xbox, no Gamecube.

Fucking hell, and here I was thinking this was a civilized board, at least relatively speaking.

>>2129023
Mod won't enforce the rules.

>>this board 15 years from now

>Post your favourite DS games
>Why was the PSP so shit?
>guys, slippery slope! Allowing the 3DS will soon let people post about the Vita!

>>2129023

We are mostly civilized when the mods do their job and fucking delete cancerous rulebreaking threads like this.

>>2129023
>and including the Dreamcast
That's the part I don't get. It's a sixth generation console, it shouldn't be allowed. There's no reason to treat it the same as fifth generation or earlier just like PC games aren't treated the same.
If you want equal rules for everything it should be expanding the PC rules to consoles.

>>2129023
You forget that Dreamcast was only allowed just late last year, and 5th gen was just allowed a few months after /vr/'s inception in early 2013.

/vr/'s rules have constantly been changing (Although this stretch we've had since February has been the most consistent) and it's only a matter of time before early 21st century stuff becomes allowed.

I just wish /q/ still existed so this shit wouldn't be on the board itself.

>>2127063
Why is it so importannt that we discuss GBA on this board?

It's not like you can't chat about the GBA on the /v/ board. What's the difference?

>>2129036
>I just wish /q/ still existed so this shit wouldn't be on the board itself.
So you could have even more /v/ kiddies dictating your rules? Or did you completely forget what /q/ was like already?
At least here it's mostly contained to actual /vr/ users.

>>2129036
We have feedback which is practically the same except you don't see the stupid suggestions from other users and can't comment on them.
https://www.4chan.org/feedback

>>2127063

>When we'll be able to talk about the GBA here
>we'll

Because the GBA came out right around the time they stopped teaching you dipshits grammar in 5th grade.

>>2129032
>why

It was deemed allowed due to having a similar library to the 5th Gen, due to being released in 1999, and due to its early end.

I think the early end is something that should be brought up more. According to Google, GBA had games being made until 2008 and PS2 until fucking 2013.

>>2127063

>>>/v/

>>2129053
It was allowed unded the following reason:
>With the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro"
Which is nonsense as the Wii-U was already out when the board was created, the whole explanation is bizarre and there's no basis on how future changes should work.

>>2129023
I get the rules, and most people discussing them here obviously do so as well. The only rule we're breaking is talking about rules, but we obviously can't do that anywhere else thanks to /q/ being nuked, and thankfully the mods seem to understand this and haven't deleted this thread.

There's a difference between understanding or even following the rules and them making sense. They don't.

Why 1999?

This is a simple question that nobody really answers, the closest has been >>2128994's final statement, which is really murky anyway. The only answer people who don't want rules to change blurt out is "because mods say so. MOOOOODS DELETE THIS" etc. That isn't constructive.

IF the limit is 1999, should it increase every year? Will it ever roll up? Or will it remain 1999 forever, as if video games cease to exist completely?

Why not go back to dividing the board by gens instead of a random date? Why not do this and also create a better criteria for PC games?

If you can only answer to any of these with "MOOOODS", then you have nothing to contribute here. If you think rules work and make sense right now, then explain why. Engage. It's important that we have this discussion I think. /vr/ is retro games, but our board doesn't have a definition of retro. Our current rule merely reflects the pressure of a vocal minority who pestered the mods until they allowed DC talk. That's it.

Like >>2129036 rules have changed. They can change again. Instead of insulting posters and mindlessly summoning mods, explain your position or give ideas to fix it. Because so far there's no real reason for the cutoff date to be 1999, and the rule won't make sense until there's an actual reason for this.

>>2129064

It's because it wasn't fucking changed. The rules are still the same under 4chan.org/rules, the goddamn sticky is just some shit a rogue mod put up to quell all the Dreamcast shitposting.

>>2129043
As far as I remember, most /q/ complaints about /vr/ were about not allowing the Dreamcast, and I still feel that the decision made to allow it is fine. Dreamcast was primarily an arcade port console, which I feel fits /vr/'s intention just fine. That being said, /v/ is far too busy with their imaginary boogeymen to actually talk about video games anyway, even moreso than it was a few years ago. It's pretty much a containment board at this point.

>>2129048
I actually was not aware that you actually got feedback for providing feedback here, thanks. I always assumed that it was a suggestion box thing that nobody bothered reading.

>>2129067
What makes video games so different from other hobbies that as it gets older more games get grouped up into "retro" and not retro?

No other hobby does that.

>>2129064
They meant PS4 and XBone being released; Wii U was early (same as the Dreamcast, kek) and they were moreso referring to when all the 8th Gen consoles got out of the gate.

The Dreamcast was being argued as being allowed for the reasons I said in >>2129053 and since it was allowed, I assume that the previously on-the-fence mods decided that the 8th Gen's full release was a good time to decide on the issue.

I can't say that for certain, I'm not a mod, but it sounds reasonable.

>>2129074

"Classic" cars in the USA are defined as cars that came out 25 years ago. You have to have a 25 year old car to get classic plates for them.

>>2129075
>kek
Jesus Christ will you 6th gen shits just fucking leave.

>>2129074
I don't know about other hobbies, but the word retro has been used since the 70's. Obviously current 70's things weren't retro then. As time moves on, they became retro.

Retro is merely a word that means "from the recent past". As time moves on, more and more things become things of the past. I really don't understand why this is an issue, it's fairly easy to understand. Both the wording of the rules ("with the release of the 8th gen...") and the fact that the limit is a year make it seem that the mods are operating under this definition of retro, which as far as I know is the ONLY definition the word has.

>>2129080
Person you're replying to, I'm against the inclusion of 6th Gen.

>>2129082
The actual definition of retro is something that is -stylized- like the past, not necessarily something that's old.

In literal terms, Cave Story is a retro game, but Metroid is just an old game. But that's just semantics and such...

>>2129079
Depends on the State and that's not a hobby side decision. Some states have a cut off and some also have horseless carriage plates with a cut off.
Most of the major shows have cut off dates for cars because as I said hobbies don't just add shit on when it gets old. You seem to want to make some weird exception for video games for some reason. I don't know why.

I'm not going to pick up a copy of Rodder's Journal and see a brand new fucking Corvette in it.

>>2129082

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/retro

Ironically the word retro is describing a "Style" and not something that is actually old.

So if this is retro video games, then indie games that are like old games should be considered retro.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/classic?s=t

However, the word "classic" refers to a certain time period. i.e. "classic" literature is from Greek or Roman period, and "classic" music is from the 18th century european period.

tl;dr

"retro" is in style of old
"classic" is actually old

so this entire board is an oxymoron

>>2128776
generations are for autistics who have to put all their bricks in a straight line. 1998 is retro, muh generations are some made up arbitrary bullshit to fit things into nice categories for the retards who need that safety blanket.

>>2129094
I agree with you that 1998 is retro, but to be fair we are also using the 1999 cutoff date to keep the board free of Halo and other volatile topics.

>>2129094
So you agree that a pure cutoff based on the game's release date with no relevance to the platform is a better option?

Oh look. This thread that's in clear violations of the rules is still up, but the battlestation thread had to get nuked because the Janitor is a faggot.

The moderation staff on this site is fucking retarded now. Let's just turn the whole fucking place into /pol/ and get dubs.

>>2128909
It's not a secret club you fucking faggot if you want to talk about SMB3, play that damn game. Nobody else wants to talk about your faggot modern artgame shit like Ico.

>>2129112

Isn't 300 the post limit where a thread stops getting bumped?

>>2129116
I think it's 500 on /vr/.

>>2129123

fuck.

i've saged every post in this thread, btw. i suggest everyone supportive of /vr/ being civilized does so \

(sage is invisible now, but putting it in options still causes the thread to not bump)

>>2129130
Meh there isn't much point in sageing these days. Was better when you could just leave it on for every post.

>>2129130

I'm pretty sure 'Sage' now just allows you to post in a thread without bumping it. It's not a downvote.

But it does help it reach maximum number of posts faster.

At least this isn't another Retron thread. Hopefully some anons got educated.

>>2129140
It was never a downvote...

People just assumed that and it's unfortunately the reason it was "removed".

>>2128785
Nice of you to put this here. I can say the same about the GBA and it's snes ports.

>>2129140
>I'm pretty sure 'Sage' now just allows you to post in a thread without bumping it. It's not a downvote.
That's what it has always done.

>But it does help it reach maximum number of posts faster.
It doesn't make a difference whether you use sage or not. Your own post just won't bump it.

>>2129149
Difference being nearly all the DC ports are superior.

>>2129140
My wife and I recently got a Retron V and, among all the games we could play in beautiful HDMI, we could play fantastic GBA games. Recently we've been taking turns playing Superstar Saga, me as Mario and her as Luigi during battles, and have been playing a game where when one's plumber is knocked out in a battle they watch the other have sex with a stranger. I'm greatly enjoying my newfound life as a cuck, thanks Retron! If Retron says it's retro, why don't you?

>>2129159
10/10 top fucking kek right here

>>2129159
The RetroN 5 also features a GBA slot. If that isn't a reason to have the GBA allowed, what is?

I hate to burst everyone's bubbles, but there will come a time when newer generations that grew up with the 6th one will flock to /vr/, because Retro is the most subjective category ever. And those who now bicker will be either kicked out, or abandon the place. I've always thought that we should make the time limit a dynamic one, like 15 years ago. Day to day we could celebrate the induction of "new" games into the Retro category, instead of all these false slippery slopes that come with taking whole generations in count. Also, 15 years ago is still 1999, so it wouldn't be suh a dramatic change. That's my proposal.

Also what the fuck nobody mentioned Super Robot Wars Original Generation 1 & 2 what the fuck is wrong with you

>>2129153
Your point?

>>2129186
They aren't comparable.

>>2129190
Your argument was that the DC was a port console. Quality has nothing to do with it. Also, GBA ports quality is also debatable, as many of them had extra features and such.

>>2129149
I think you miss the point of that image; in that image, all the titles listed were relased on DC before the 5th Gen console they're being compared to.

GBA ports obviously aren't going to be made before the 4th Gen originals.

>>2129194
You're talking about 3 year difference.
Also all those ports aren't remakes like the case with GBA.

>>2129175
You're absolutely right and I think it's a great idea. Either make it a year or a gen, both ways would work. I like the year rule better because it includes PC games, which fundamentally exist outside of the "gen" spectrum.

People who refuse to acknowledge that new games and new gamers keep appearing probably won't accept it, however.

>>2129201
GBA games weren't actually remakes. I think enhanced ports is the word.

>>2129205
They were remakes. Stories were changed, controls schemes completely changed, different music, etc.

>>2129204
But muh Halo

>>2129204
Those new gamers can have their own board. They can call it /v/ - video games.

>>2129217
lol

the way they feel about Halo is probably the same way I feel about Doom. And yet I don't try to make time stand still so that people who like Doom won't have anywhere to talk about it.

They'll just have to deal with it and stop trying to force people to see certain games as boogeymen. They'll have their threads and that's it, just like how the board works right now.

>>2129175
>>2129204

The problem is you're literally put a doom counter on /vr/. 3 years and ticking. Once Halo fags and then Modern Warfare fags get in, there will be SO MANY of them, that you will never have good threads again, because of massive shitpost everywhere.

in 1999 when the dreamcast was released gaming wasnt mainstream, in 5 or 6 years, this board will be utter shit when the halo and modern warfare fags join.

Personally, it'd be nice to be able to come to /vr/ in 5 years and still be able to talk about the games I love.

there will be a modern warfare 50 and halo 9 in 5 years, so they can still talk about that shit in /v/, they don't need /vr/ too.

>>2129208
>>2129205
It'd be nice if you even specified what fucking games were were even talking about.
GBA had both ports and remakes.

>>2129223
I really can't tell if you're trolling or just a selfish idiot.
Halo is not a retro and never will be. It's from a completely different time of videogames.

>>2128785
Holy shit that is a terrible fucking argument

>>2129230
LttP
If it can't get a game like that right there's no hope.

>>2129223

Doom is different, it was still reeased long enough ago that anyone on 4chan who played it will be a certain amount of mature, and specifically you are limiting the number of them.

Basically, the more traffic a board gets, the shittier it gets. Allowing more games allows more shitty people and shitty content and shitty posts.

That's why allowing the DC was alright, because there are relatively few DC fags.


The rules don't exist to exclude certain games, they exist to exclude a certain culture.

>>2129240

>The rules don't exist to exclude certain games, they exist to exclude a certain culture.

this.

>>2129231
>Halo is not a retro and never will be.

It will if GBA- and PS2-kiddies get their way. Disregard whether it should be, anons like that one day will get their way and Halo will be allowed as a result. We can only delay it and enjoy the board while we can.

Why not determine the retro cutoff by a system's retirement date rather than date of release? A system feels retro after enough years have passed since it's been in the limelight. Then the Dreamcast will qualify because it was discontinued mid 2001, where the PS2 was still going long after the PS3 was released.

>>2129239
LttP is a port. Plain and simple. It's been enhanced with new features, but it's not a remake.

>>2129247
>GBA LttP
>enhanced

>>2129243
According to the other poster, Halo is "from a completely different time" of video games.
Dreamcast is from that exact same "different time" of video games.

So either Dreamcast isn't Retro, or PS2, GCN, XBox, and GBA are all Retro alongside Dreamcast. You can't have it both ways.

>>2129252
DC was dead before xbox even game out kiddo.

>>2129231
>Halo is not a retro and never will be.
Time keeps moving forward. Twenty years from now, the first Halo WILL be regarded nigh unanimously as retro.

What you're feeling is what old oldfags here on /vr/ feel about PSX, SNES, etc.

Halo/Cod culture is fucking stupid, no doubt. But if the rules KEEP being about a year, it's only natural people will demand the year to move as time moves forward.

So either make an official statement regarding what retro is or isn't, or stop being frightened by the prospect that younger people will be our age someday and regard things like Halo as retro. Because it WILL happen.

>>2129254
Doesn't matter, they're from the same generation, infant.

>>2129261
Not really though. Dreamcast is almost like Gen 5.5 due to its short and early lifespan.

>>2129251
That's the term, whether you like it or not.
I certainly don't think adding OoT's voice-overs to Link's actions was an enhancement, but that's the way she goes.

>>2129251
I'm sorry you never got to play Four Swords.

>>2129267
Did you even read your post before you clicked submit? Do you realize how stupid you sound?

>>2127063
Maybe in a few years. GBA games play more like pre-2000 games than post-2000 games, but they are post-2000. Maybe give them a few more years to age.
I'd love to talk about GBA on this board, but I grew up with one so I'm a little bit biased

>>2129261
Just stop.
>>2129260
Few people hate 5th gen. Very few and most them are probably playing 1st and 2nd gen exclusively.
Many of the games that are considered the best ever are from 5th gen.

>>2129267
Dreamcast was the system that kicked off the Sixth Generation.
Just because it died early on doesn't magically make it not part of that generation.

>>2129278
You're the one that should stop. You have zero logic.

>>2129260

Nah, those type of games won't be considered retro until gaming starts being in virtual reality. Then those type of games will be considered retro. Until there, theres a pretty easy to see dividing line in gaming from before the late 90's and after the late 90's.

DC was only allowed cause butthurt shitposters like yourself >>2129252

>>2129278
doesn't negate the fact that with time gamers who grew up with halo will regard it as retro.

And they'll probably argue that "most of the games that are considered the best ever are from the 6th gen" (and this would be correct if you read mainstream gaming media)

>>2129281
>>2129252 here. I'm actually on the Dreamcast is not /vr/ side.

>>2129280
I don;t really care if DC is allowed or not but I can see the argument for it to be allowed with all the 5th gen ports and arcade ports.
Also the last console with proprietary game medium.

>>2129282
They can argue all they want and their shit will be ignored.

Now here's something I don't understand. Do you think that the people who will come to talk about COD:MW are the same BROS and 12-year-olds that play COD games today? Because to them, Black Ops is Ancient History, not to mention the first MW or Halo. If people come here to talk about the first games (which I doubt will resemble the barbarian hordes you describe) it will be in a similar spirit to ourselves. 5 years ago I imagine a similar argument with DOOM fanboys crying to the seven hells for the possible inclusion of Half-Life games. Yet, here we are, the Roman Republic hasn't fallen yet.

>>2129281
I'm not >>2129252
and I don't want DC to be included here. Never wanted it really.

What I want is a clear definition of rules that isn't "1999 just because DC lol". PC games get the short end of the stick and it opens up slippery slopes like this very thread.

We need actual definitons and logic behind the rules.

>>>2129260
>Nah, those type of games won't be considered retro until gaming starts being in virtual reality.
Ask younger gamers how they feel about this already, just by virtue of sixth gen not being HD it's already a huge gap for many of them. Retro is about feeling old, and if 20 years pass since you first played something it WILL feel old.

>>2129293
You're right but people here don't get this. They think the present is forever, that the 12 year olds who played Halo back when it was released are still 12 year olds. They think /vr/ is /v90s/ and that's all it'll ever be.

Just because.

>>2128486
i even liked the super street fighter 2
they made the 4 buttons work with pressure sensitivity on b and a to differentiate jabs/strong

MODS MODS MODS

>>2129294
>We need actual definitons and logic behind the rules.
Thanks, you suddenly put into perspective this 354 post thread of arguments over what counts as retro on an imageboard on the Internet.

>>2129273
>>2129280
It is 6th Generation technically, I'm not saying it isn't, but I'm saying that practically the system feels more borderline due to all the ports (though considering how many of them came out on DC first can't we just call them multiplats?) and due to it missing most of the 6th Gen.

It is 6th Gen, but it's a lot different in feel and it has a lot in common with 5th Gen moreso than other 6th Gen consoles. That's why I said Gen 5.5. I'm not acting like it's officially not 6th Gen, I'm just saying it feels different in aspects.

I liked the voices.

>>2129318
Me too. Only thing I hated about the GBA port is that they fucked up the dizzy effect.

>>2129302
Half life isn't retro. You're wrong. Fuck off. This thread is fucking over so many threads here.

>>2129327
Half-Life had an unreleased Dreamcast port we can talk about.

>>2129312
We're just running up the score so the thread prunes naturally.

>>2129327
>Half life isn't retro.
why?
>You're wrong.
why?
>Fuck off.
why?

Is it so hard to give arguments? That's the only way this is ever going to find a consensus that doesn't amount to "because the mod says so".

What a surprise that this thread croped up once Christmas break started for the kiddies.

>>2129310
Speaking of which, interesting point: last night all non-retro threads, including a PS2 and another GBA thread were swept out except for this one.

>>2129327
Half-Life threads are fine. They survive no problem. Then again so did an Arcanum thread for quite a while.

>>2129337
Literally kill yourself. You're an entitled piece of shit. Deal with the fact that people want a board to discuss old games and don't want a bunch of 20 somethings shitting it up with their halo boners.

>>2129318

>preferring the voices over the original "boing" sound when Yoshi jumps

disgusting

>>2129349
>board to discuss old games
For many people, stuff like Half-Life is already old. And it will certainly become an "old game" as time goes on.

So deal with the fact that time moves on and engage in discussion regarding what is retro. It's something that's bound to happen in the future anyway.

>>2129354
You can't stop me.

>>2129358
Wow you blew my mind. Did even you read my post? I don't want 20 somethings who think they have life experience shitting up the board posting about games that can't even rent a car yet.

>>2129370
It's video games.
Get over it.

>>2129349
>>2129370
>>>/v/

>>2129370
Guess we shouldn't have 5th Gen discussion.

For fuck's sake why is this thread still going? Mods are deleting posts in this thread so they're clearly awake. There's just so much shitposting here.

>>2129361

Was that made in Mario Paint? Impressive work.

>>2129373
Mcfucking kill yourself. /v/ is oftentimes better quality than this crt circlejerk anyway. Your meme is shit.

>>2129382
It would go against the principle they're showing by deleting the shitposts.
Threads are allowed, shitposting isn't.

>>2129382
>>2129382
I agree. 5th gen isn't retro.

>>2129393
But then why have 4th gen? That can't be retro, right?

>>2129147
>>2129151

Some people assume it was at one point. Just making sure.

>>2129401
Agreed, sixteen bits is far too many. NES or GTFO.

>>2129370
>I don't want 20 somethings who think they have life experience shitting up the board posting about games that can't even rent a car yet.
You can already talk about "games not old enough to rent cars" here so your post looks decidedly stupid.

>>2129387
You should go back there, then.
>>>/v/

>>2129404
>NES

Youngfags please go. Nothing beyond the Intellivision here.

>>2129228

This.

Let's just stick with the 1999 cutoff and be done with it.

>>2129401
The technological differences between 4th gen and modern games coupled with the age of the generation, it's 28 years old now, make it retro.

>>2129287
If Dreamcast has ports of older gen games on it then by all means discuss those versions of those games. That's always been allowed. There's been many discussions about the GBA versions of SNES games for example.

But otherwise, DC should be out.

>>2129401
The cut between fourth and fifth console generations is more pronounced aside from the Jaguar, PC-FX and 3DO which nobody cares about.
It also goes hand in hand with the demise of alternate computer platforms and the switch from DOS and 16 bit Windows to 32 bit Windows 9x games.

>>2129407
Last night the only people posting anything were posting in this thread and the ps2 thread.

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not /vr/
go back to >>>/v/