/vr/ - Retro Games

===NEWS===

[12-17] Doom Forever (an Edge mod) gets a Christmas update: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1329812

[12-16] Some modern gaming news site mentions the Cacowards: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/12/16/cacowards-2014-doom-awards/

[12-16] Vile Shatters update: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1329566

[12-15] Looper beats Doom 2 in 21:55 http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1329250

[12-15] Shut Up And Bleed thread/download: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=47302
- DISCLAIMER: This mod has nothing to do with 4chan.

[12-14] DECK (Doom Engine Creators Kit) considers crowd-funding: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=800876#p800876

[12-13] Five Rooms Of Doom possibly final release: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1328772

[12-12] 1993res, collecting the recent Romero twitter posts into a wad: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1328580

[12-11] Brutal Doom v20 beta release: http://www.mediafire.com/download/h49ahv6jy2go9ft/brutal20testdec10b-2014.zip

[12-10] John Romero gives us a birthday present: http://www.pcgamer.com/john-romero-shows-unseen-doom-art-on-21st-anniversary/
- Doomworld has a summary here: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1328025

[12-10] Strife resurrected on Steam: http://store.steampowered.com/app/317040/
- GPL source at https://github.com/svkaiser/strife-ve

[12-10] Cacowards 11: http://www.doomworld.com/21years/
- Winners: Going Down, Adventures of Square, BTSX E2, Plasmaplant, Shadows of Cronos, Monster Hunter Ltd, Resurgence, Mayan Mishap, Urban Brawl: DoW, TFTIAD-E
- Runners-up: Bauhaus, Bloody Steel, Mayhem2048, Whitemare 2, You Dig, The Wailing Horde, Reconstruction / Decomposition
- Multiplayer: 32in24-13, Push, Rage CTF
- Gameplay: DemonSteele; Runners-up: DoomRPG/DoomRLA)
- Mordeth: D2INO
- Mockaward: Brutalist Doom; Runners-up: Laundry 2, WOOO 2
- Mapper of the Year: Joshy
- Most Promising Newcomers: BigMemka, Tuxlar, jmickle
- Lifetime Achievement: Ty Halderman

===

Please reply to this post with news.

first for DECORATE needing some sort of expansion

>>2129297
Threshold of Pain II First Act released.
http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1067497

I missed this somehow.

>>2129328
errrrrr, i think that should be act 2. typo. i can't read.

>>2129320
its called ACS

>>2129172
think of the Final Fantasy 6 metamorphosis summon but in weapon form. at least that's approximately what i recall hearing

>>2129296
>Tony Doom Skater 2
>With Action Doom 2's visuals
You know you want one.

So, how much stuff do you have in your Doom wads/pk3 folders, anons?

>>2129359
How the fuck do you have 38.8 gigs of Doom shit and only 1000 more files than me?

>>2129359
probably about a 1000th of that. i tend to delete everything i'm not currently playing or played recently or consider "finished with". i don't like the clutter.

>>2129369
downloading skulltag crap with hundreds of mp3s in it?

>>2129359
>Desktop
>40gb of wads covering your desktop
I need this

>>2129380
>all WADs have imp girl icons

>>2129369
>>2129376

I just sorted by size.
My top four largest size files are ultidoom2.wad (355mb), AEoD.pk3 (314mb), PRODOOMER.pk3 (310mb), and ClassicRivalry2.wad (291mb).

>>2129417
>ClassicRivalry2.wad (291mb)

I have a couple of questions about Doom RPG:

First, is there a way to make it work with pre-2.0 GzDoom? I could only get it running on the latest devbuild, and my toaster can't even begin to run the new openGL renderer; it just crashes at launch unless I have it in software mode.

Also, I was playing multiplayer with a friend, and upon saving and reloading our game, the level we were on cleared itself of all things (enemies, items, etc.), and after using the exit and going to the next level, the Outpost map select skipped from MAP04 to MAP06 and wouldn't let us return the the level where our game was saved/all the enemies vanished. Any idea what gives?

>>2129437
Try an earlier devbuild

Tango is at it again, apparently.

>>2129440
I tried a few. I tried a couple of the latest 1.9 and 1.8 builds, but no dice. I was hoping maybe someone had a specific recommendation.

>>2129417
Holy shit, those all have mp3s in them?

>>2129451

No, no, no, and yes.

>>2129446
ooh sweet jesus look at textures

NEED SOME HELP LADS
TL;DR How do you limit particles/whatever rendered at once in Skulltag?

I'm trying to run GREZZO2 - 2014 Anniversary edition but every time I get to the first Jesus fight it crashes when he starts shooting loads of shit (pic related).
It also crashes when there's a large number of enemies on screen all shooting at once.
These crashes only happen in the OpenGL renderer (software renderer lags like hell so screw using that) which runs flawlessly until, well, it crashes.
I have a feeling that Skulltag's OpenGL renderer is getting overloaded with the sheer particles on screen at once, so is there a way to limit?

I would upgrade to Zandronum but I don't know how to get GREZZO2 running in that, it comes with a bunch of .pk3's and .wads and shit.

>>2129359

I'm getting kinda bored of DoomRL Arsenal + OBLIGE, probably because of samey level design. Is there any way to make either more interesting to play?

>>2129478
You slap DoomRPG on with it, yet?

>>2129210

I think you can answer that question by yourself, anon, if you can't then how all out of a sudden you brought him up?

>>2129481
I could, but what does it add?

Is there also any alternate sets of music and textures? I could use some to make things feel more fresh.

>>2129501
Just adds RPG elements. If you're looking for something fresh you could always playthrough a megawad you haven't played yet to keep fresh. As far as textures I wouldn't know.

>>2129501
>alternate sets of music
there's the demonsteele metal jukebox
iirc it can be loaded with anything
alternatively, jimmy's jukebox, or the offspring of the two, kinsie's floppy disk of midis

>>2129501
>textures
brutalist doom

>>2129542
doesn't include the recently unearthed frames, fail.

>>2129570

2bad

>>2129446

What wad?

Obligatory Brutal Doom v20 Gore patch. It is less-than-amateur tier, careful.

LOAD IT FIRST BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE

http://www.mediafire.com/download/wa1dghk9pppdbre/Brutal20+-Gore.pk3

Notes:

>Works DELICIOUSLY with GMOTA
>Satisfying to use with Russian Overkill
>It's okay with Accesories to Murder (shotguns don't seem to make use of the headshot system)
>Works okay with NAZIS!
>Space Pirate performs nice.
>Performs like advertised in Diaz
>Works okay with Fractal Doom's weapons but no enemy duplication.
>Doesn't work as intended for The Golden Souls
>Reduced gore with Metroid Dreadnought.
>Performs okay with Samsara. Headshot system works differently. Special mentions for all characters, specially their chainsaws.
>Works okay with Real Guns Hardcore.
>Not for use with DemonSteele, in fact there is a small chance to summon a 50-revenant attack after killing an Imp that are unkillable with regular commands. Had to use God to avoid getting blasted to hell.
>Its pretty good with Project MSX

>>2129648

>Not for use with DemonSteele, in fact there is a small chance to summon a 50-revenant attack after killing an Imp that are unkillable with regular commands. Had to use God to avoid getting blasted to hell.

>TONY HAWK PRO SKATER DOOM 4
>DOOM 4

>>2129648
>in fact there is a small chance to summon a 50-revenant attack after killing an Imp that are unkillable with regular commands.

I'm not seeing this as a downside.
Instant slaughtermap, just add blood.

>>2129673
Anon I can confirm, these are actually unkillable.

>>2129648
>Reduced gore with Metroid Dreadnought.

NIIINTEEEEENDOOOOOO

>>2129683

FINALLY, A WORTHY OPPONENT.

>>2129648

Looks like it operates by replacing monsters, and keeps the plasma rifle/Skulltag weapons replaced.
So any mod that replaces the plasma rifle/replaces the monsters for its own behavior is gonna break.

Not really a go for me, sorry.

Come on guys, tell him already

>>2129648

>Not for use with DemonSteele, in fact there is a small chance to summon a 50-revenant attack after killing an Imp that are unkillable with regular commands

>>2129648
>Not for use with DemonSteele, in fact there is a small chance to summon a 50-revenant attack after killing an Imp that are unkillable with regular commands. Had to use God to avoid getting blasted to hell

That's intentional, and HDoom has something similar

>>2129839
What happens when you load it with HDoom?

>>2129854
revenants constantly spawn on you every second and it says something like "get boned brutal dumbass"

>>2129854
You get boned.

Anyone know if it's possible to download lelweps, or has it been purged from the internet?

>>2129884
http://static.best-ever.org/wads/lelweps7.pk3

Odd bug I'm having in Samsara. All the power up icons are jet black with no effects. Any setting I need to change to fix this?

>>2129839
Seems like the creator of Brutal Doom is jelly of DemonSteele perhaps?

>>2129320
>not dehacked
It hasn't been updated in a decade

>>2129975
or at least, whoever made the gore patch

>>2129978
Probably because it's super obsolete and Decorate can do more than Dehacked ever could hope to do.

>>2129975
>>2129985
It's not a Brutal Doom thing, it's a Demonsteele thing. It's Demonsteele that detects if you're using BD, and then spawns the revenants.

>>2129997
That may be but but unlike Decorate Dehacked works even in a fairly strict vanilla environment, Decorate only works under ZDoom.

Ok so, what's the consensus on DemonSteele?
Do you guys hate it just like you hate brutal doom because it's the super special snowflake hipster neckbeard thing to do, or is the mod still ok to discuss here?
How long until you start to hate it, if you don't hate it now?

>>2130021
Mark pls, you're not even checking my dubs

3DS homebrew devs need to port Doom already, I want to rip and tear in 3D.

I thought it was the Hello World of homebrew.

>>2130021
>Ok so, what's the consensus on DemonSteele?
Coolest, radest and awesomenest melee mod since Hexercise
>Do you guys hate it just like you hate brutal doom because it's the super special snowflake hipster neckbeard thing to do?
Nobody hates Demonsteele though
> or is the mod still ok to discuss here?
Any mod is ok to discuss here, the problem is people[like you] who dig out drama related to the mods
> How long until you start to hate it, if you don't hate it now?
Maybe never unless Terminus abandons it like every mod he does[Cyberrunner=Cyberdead, Samsara is dead as fuck, blame the stupid addons and the people behind said addons for fucking on Terminus mod and make him stay away from it. Metroid Dread is more like Metroid Dead, just like the franchise and buttpain, well...that's just an april fool's mod so there's nothing to say about this]

>mfw Metroid Dread is super dead since nobody came up with the sprites, maps and closetanon's HDD died along with his cool map progress

>>2129975
Nope, just Ijon and friends tired of idiots loading Brutal Doom with obviously conflicting mods.

>>2130086
>Hexercise
Fuck yeah Hexercise.
Hexercise is still to this day my favorite mod of all time due to how fucking tight, polished and legit it feels.

>>2130086
>closetanon's HDD died along with his cool map progress
Was it mainly since the ACS code is lost? As one could use the other pre-existing stuff in whatever last release was done.

>>2129359
4.15 GB
3,137 Files, 177 Folders

I mostly just download Vanilla/LR/Boom mapsets though. I also have the entire crapfest that is Maximum Doom.

>>2129978
>>2130007

Updating Dehacked is simply not possible without breaking vanilla compatibility.

Is Hideous Destructor GZDoom exclusive?
Also, why the fuck I can't play it?
Shit gives me errors.

>>2130196
Yes it's exclusive.

Also we can't help you if you don't give us details about your problem.

>>2130205
Script error, "hd.pk7:actors/dceffect.txt" line 812:
"dontthrust" is an unknown flag

Script error, "hd.pk7:actors/dceffect.txt" line 823:
"dontthrust" is an unknown flag

Script error, "hd.pk7:actors/dceffect.txt" line 853:
"dontthrust" is an unknown flag

Script error, "hd.pk7:actors/dceffect.txt" line 859:
"dontthrust" is an unknown flag

Script error, "hd.pk7:actors/dcplayer.txt" line 9:
"nevertarget" is an unknown flag

Script error, "hd.pk7:actors/dcplayer.txt" line 9:
"dontthrust" is an unknown flag

Script warning, "" line 0:
Invalid face '' for 'HDPlayer';
STF replacement codes must be 3 characters.

Script warning, "" line 0:
Invalid face '' for 'HDPlayer';
STF replacement codes must be alphanumeric.


Execution could not continue.

Script error, "hd.pk7:actors/dcpckups.txt" line 495:
Invalid state parameter a_dropitem
This shit appears. Why? I don't know. I just drag hd.pk7 to gzdoom.exe and this shit happens.

>>2130216

You need to update your GZDoom, sounds like you're waayyyy out of date.

>>2130217
Really? I downloaded that 4 months ago. Seems I downloaded an old one.

>>2130219
http://devbuilds.drdteam.org/gzdoom/
If you don't have a supercomputer and it gives you errors about shaders, use ZDoom.
http://devbuilds.drdteam.org/zdoom/

>>2129417
Out of curiosity, where did you get ultidoom2? I haven't been able to find a download link and wanted to try it out.

>>2130241

The author sent it to me for some private beta testing.
With the core files combined, it's half a gigabyte of complete shit.

I haven't received any more beta test offers since telling him that. Can't possibly fathom why.

>>2130252
wow look at the size of that chip

>>2130252
>that chip

>>2130230
>supercomputer

This again...

>>2130376
The dumb joke started on the skulltag forums with someone saying "GZCrysis" so that should tell you something,

>>2130379
The thing is, that was supposed to be a joke, not a prediction.

>>2130425
Prediction for what?

>>2130439
That there would come a time where we would have computers that could play games as graphically advanced as Crysis, but be unable to run GZDoom.

>>2130441
>2014
>being this poor
Most ~5 year old cards run GZDoom fine, get a fucking job and upgrade your toaster

>>2130446
Nice strawman m8. I can run GZDoom 2.x without a hitch. Doesn't mean that it's any less bullshit. The change had little to no effect on me and anyone else who can run the new versions while completely locking out everyone who can't.

>>2130449
That's their problem, it's year 2014, you're not going to be able to play every modern thing forever on an old toaster. Adapt or stay poor

>>2130449
How many people were even affected by the change anyways?

>>2130456
You're aware that we're talking about a source port for a 20-year-old game here, right? There are people who can play modern, graphically-intensive games that cannot play GZDoom. Explain how that makes even the slightest bit of sense, please.

>>2130456

Graf Zahl please.

>>2130468
That "20 year old game" argument makes no sense. You couldn't even run old GZDoom on 1993 hardware.

>>2130468
>There are people who can play modern, graphically-intensive games that cannot play GZDoom

Like what?

For the record, Crysis 1 hasnt been graphically-intensive for quite some time now, btw.

>>2130483
Yeah, this is definitely way more intensive than fucking Crysis. There's no fucking rationalization for a sprite-based game that isn't even really 3D to require modern hardware. The GL version upgrade brought no fucking improvements in any regard (and in fact brought a shitload of performance decreases to lower-end cards that can still run it), yet you still defend it. Why? Are you Graf Zahl? What do you have to gain by defending a shitty decision like this?

>>2130489
Define to me what a low-end card is?

IIRC, Graf Zahl has a GTX 550 Ti. That card was low-end for its time, and its an obsolete card now.

>>2130492
I wouldn't go as far as to say "obsolete", it can still run most of the things that come out on low-mid settings depending on optimalization

>>2130503
Its obsolete in that you cant buy it anymore, dingus.

>>2130521
Oh, well, in that sense yes

>>2130006
That is fuckin' beautiful.

>>2130006
Quite literally the best thing to ever happen in modding

>>2130006
Wow, sounds like Terminus is a fucking asshole after all.
I mean, why does he hate BD so fucking much? Theres no fucking reason to shit over a nice mod that's a gateway mod to DOOM and introduce newcomers to other mods.

>>2130589
>trying to combine Demonsteele with Brutal Doom in the first place

>>2130589
>being this assblasted
I for one welcome this new age of brilliance in modding. I wish more mods would include such a "compatibility patch"

>>2130589
He doesn't hate it, he's just sick of idiots trying to use BD with every other doom mod and getting assblasted when they don't work together.

>>2130589
It's fucking stupid to run gameplay mods together anyway, you will be met with tons of errors.

Also it's supposed to be funny, stop being so dramatic.

>>2130605
>he's just sick of idiots trying to use BD with every other doom mod and getting assblasted when they don't work together.

I even see people complain about maps not being balanced for Brutal Doom. That mod truly is a curse on the community.

>>2129839
>someone tried to add gore to non-bleeding demon waifus
>someone predicted this
I dont even

>>2129446

Seems like Tango is expanding the original or doing a sequel. Either way, it's going to be awesome

>>2130642
Some people expected white ketchup when the two crossed.

>>2130629
>Also it's supposed to be funny

Oh, there's the problem.

>>2130663
We did have a couple of hosers complaining in the thread when they tried to run BD and HDoom together.
keks were had

>>2130629
>Also it's supposed to be funny
Its not you nigger. How the fuck is it funny?

>>2130703
>keks were had

and right now too

>>2130694
>>2130704
Stop shitposting.

>>2130717
>no counter argument
>S-stop shitposting, you b-baka!

Remember:
Report and ignore.

>>2130589
>not being able to handle a few revenants
Bro it's not like they are invulnerable or anything, just suck up the additional difficulty and play it like it is

>>2130704
When sillly people load two gameplay mods together and post asking for help about why oh why it doesn't work. It's funny for some people.
>>2130589
It's more of a joke on people that have BD on autoload (or oh god, the skins folder), or that demand everything be compatible with it.

>>2130663
I assume Guro fans.

>>2130703
It would be funny if it did the opposite of what they were expecting.
BD enemies, HDoom water soakers, all blood spatters and death animations return to vanilla settings.

What do you guys think of this:
http://www.moddb.com/mods/cacodemon-textures

>>2130763
>no hi-res imp-tan

>>2130763

Yet another "Doom HD" project that may/may not be finished

That's what I think of it

>>2130763
lagtastic

>>2130785
Also what the fuck.

>>2129542

Hey, can I use this for something I'm doing, anon? What name should I credit you with?

Doomguy's streaming Going Down + DemonSteele now.

No link because apparently the post eater thinks it's spam.

>>2130835
thanks anon

Wewelsburg is a Renaissance castle located in the village of Wewelsburg, which is a district of the town of Büren, Westphalia, in the Landkreis of Paderborn in the northeast of North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany. The castle has a triangular layout - three round towers connected by massive walls. After 1934, it was used by the SS under Heinrich Himmler and was to be expanded into the central SS-cult-site. After 1941, plans were developed to enlarge it to be the so-called "Center of the World".

>>2130839
Paderborn resident here, I wanna play the fuck out of this

>>2130446
>using a strawman
on top of that
>suggesting someone to update his rig in order to play A FUCKING 21 YEAR OLD VIDEO GAME
Nice try Graf Zahl, now go fuck yourself

This thread is boring, skeleton time

>>2130996
do you people honestly think he posts here
i would be very surprised

>>2131008

>>2130996

Nah, it's probably not Graf Zahl, but there's a few turbofaggots that legitimately believe that being able to run UT3, Crysis, Starbound, Shadow Warrior 2013, Rise of the Triad 2013, Saints Row 4, Payday 2, Left 4 Dead 2, and more but not being able to run GZDoom is perfectly fine. You just need to "get a job" (ignoring that most adults fucking already have one) and "upgrade your toaster" (despite being able to run most of those games means your computer is fine), and I have yet to see him pull out a argument other than eventually going back to whimpering "b-b-b-but GZDoom isn't SUPPOSED to b-b-be able to run on anything but super high-end computers!"

It's really funny.

>>2130763
I watched the video and holy hell that looks like total garbage. How could someone play this and say "yes I feel my experience has been improved"? Do you have literally no taste?

>>2131008

>This will never be made

>>2131045

Unfortunately, half of those look terrible.
These are the good ones.

>>2131008

>>2130839
Sounds radical, when can I play it?

>>2131008

I honestly wouldn't mind if GZDoom's new renderer could produce better new effects. Also why haven't Graf added Doomsday-like effects such as advanced lightning, bloom, and flares? Also, it's funny because Doomsday looks much better than GZDoom, and can run even on an old dual core notebook with integrated graphics.

>>2131081
>Also, it's funny because Doomsday looks much better than GZDoom

>>2131094

Still looks better than this.

>>2131094
saying it looks better is an overstatement, but there are some things in that pic gzdoom could use

>>2131094
why are people so obssessed with ugly polyguns, that gun looks like shit, that fireball looks like shit. And the shit filter just to top it all off. The original in 320x200 looks better than that.

>>2131094
Ever tried running Doomsday without 3D model packs and High-Res textures?

>>2131070
When I finish it.

>>2131094
>>2131095
When will people finally accept that high-res textures look like ass when plastered to Doom architecture?

>>2131094
>>2131120
This. The brightmaps and stuff look a lot better in Doomsday.
>>2131081
Sucks for everything else sadly.

>>2131116
inorite? That's the same exact problem I had with the Duke Nukem 3D High-Rez pack. Are people really so lazy that they can't bother to render a 3D model as sprite?

I bought Hexen and heretic on Steam sale just now. Are there any recommended mods for those?

>>2131151
wouldn't know of many beyond the scope of the Cacowards, you could check /idgames listed per rating

>>2131152
>>2131152
Noice.

>>2131116
>The original in 320x200 looks better than that.

>>2131162
>[1].png

stop grabbing pics from google, junior

>>2131167
can we not resort to this kind of nonsensical argument please

>>2131167
This picture is also taken from Google, right?
It's from mah puush account as well as previous pic.

>>2131167

>>2131029
i don't believe any of that, but i do believe as a volunteer project he is free to make whatever changes he wants to.

i don't know why gzdoom suddenly requires opengl 4 or 3.2 or whatever it is. perhaps it makes the code clearer and easier to maintain in the long run. but i assume he thinks it's not worth the effort to maintain the old opengl 2 renderer code and make it coexist with the new, and since no one's paying him to maintain it, he is quite free to remove it.

this is how free / open source software works, i'm afraid. in contrast the commercial games you listed probably maintain several renderer code paths in order to be able to sell to as many customers as possible. there's a business case for it. in free software there is no such thing as a business case.

>>2131162
lol at you turning on low-res mode first

>>2131187
>sacred
Disgusting

Exactly how hard is Nightmare? I'm thinking of playing Doom and possibly Doom II if I feel like it on NM. How much trouble will a person have if they have only beaten the game once on UV?

>>2131129
>The brightmaps and stuff look a lot better in Doomsday

It's totally possible in gzdoom too.

>>2130839

>>2131219
it's quite different. you can't kill all the monsters because they don't stay dead. if you try to clear places out you'll just run out of ammo. you pretty much just have to run. it'll teach you speedrunning, if nothing else. i recommend trying -fast only to begin with so you can get used to the upgraded monster behaviour before having to deal with respawning.

>>2131219
You get double ammo, but enemies move/attack faster and more often as do their projectiles, and said enemies also respawn constantly. Nightmare is more about quickly getting to the end of levels with as much ammo and health/armor as you can than usual thorough runs. And all of this with the Ultra-Violence enemy spawns.

It's certainly beatable, at least in vanilla Doom 1/2, but it's mostly a joke-super-hard mode.

>>2131192

This is a reasonable argument and one I am willing to accept, even if I'm not happy with the result.

>>2131228
Do stronger enemies like the Cyberdemon and Spiderdemon Lite also respawn?

>>2131151
On top of looking at the cacowards, try Guncaster for Heretic.
Just dont buy any mana related upgrade or even D'sparil on the highest difficulty will be a wuss. Otherwise pretty balanced and really fun.

>>2131232
everything that leaves a corpse will respawn. pain elementals and lost souls do not. count your blessings, i suppose.

>>2131236
>lost souls do not
Thank you Jesus

Well, just look at the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O8lwmwDi_g

>>2131227
>filename
CROCODILE, ALLIGATOR
I DRIVE A CHEVROLET
MOVIE THEATER

>>2129904
Thanks

>Yholl released monster pack 5
>he kept saying armaggedon wouldnt be babby tier anymore
>load up Doom 2 to test it out
>humans are all hitscan and tanky instead of plasma glass cannons, okay I guess, but not exactly harder
>demon replacement is an asshole, I am glad I am playing renegade with all these super shotguns, definitively the best starting class here
>minigunner fucking teleports
>saw a turret, one shotted it before it did anything
>so far the difficulty is almost the same, actually I think the tristar blaster spam and the lack of quality hitcans in the last version was more challenging
>reach map 05
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>2131510
The one on the left looks like Captain Kirk.

>>2131510
are these bootlegs, fan-conversions or official?

>>2131519
It's a fan-made fig

>>2131524

Damn. I was gonna throw so much money at someone.

>Russian Overkill player

>>2131531
Now do this one.

>>2131127
It's just personal preference. I definitely get tired of seeing the same wall textures over and over, so the right texture pack can be a nice break from it. I remember there being a really grungy looking Doom 2 one that had an interesting style to it. I don't know if it was actually HD or just different textures. Definitely made the levels look a lot more hellish.

>>2131571
shit how do you load all of these at once

>>2131571
Is that him?

>>2131282
FUCK YOU. NOW THIS IS STUCK ON MY HEAD!

It's a cold day in hell today.

>>2131737
>Santa-vile
toplel

>>2131737
>That Cacodemon in the back
>Snow demon angel
My heart.

>you're not allowed to send PMs until your account reaches a certain activity
>your message needs to be approved by a moderator before its publicly viewable
I am just trying to send a bug report for fucks sake.

>a pony and a toaster are threatening to ban people for jokingly shipping other's original doom characters
What the actual fuck?

Was the ZDoom community always like this?

>>2131767
>jokingly

I don't think you understand how much of a fucking creep MJ79 is.

A while ago, someone nitpicked about un-gloved fist... well here you go. Took me a while to find those sprites, though, it was worth it, though.

[Spoiler]http://i.imgur.com/cKHS4f0.png Oh, and I have made some progress, too.[/Spoiler}

A while ago, someone nitpicked about un-gloved fist... well here you go. Took me a while to find those sprites, though, it was worth it, though.

http://i.imgur.com/cKHS4f0.png Oh, and I have made some progress, too. (Linking so I'm not forced to double post)

Where's the dude who was making a doom css?

>>2131774
Give me the dish, I wanna hear this.

>>2131774
I cant seem to find anything on Megajim that is worse than the global volunteer's collection of diaper pony avatars, so no, I dont understand.

>>2131785
>global volunteer's collection

viscra is not a mod, thank god

>>2131784
>>2131785

Are you serious? Just look through his past posts, where he eagerly talks about the status of his virginity, talks about his writing of "clop-fics", posting an MSPaint pony/impse edit...

Just because Viscra is a creepmaster with his diaper princess avatars doesn't let MJ off the hook either.

>>2131818
No, seriously, I don't go around on the forums much at all, I wanna hear the dirty on these freaks.

>>2131248
fascinating, i watched the whole thing. what's with all the moving floor noises at the start? i thought the video was silent up to that point.

>>2131818
no, you failed to provide a link. why should i waste my time digging through a forum i don't read? i hope they delete this entire conversation, it's importing drama and it's stupid.

>>2131972

Then why did you bring it up?

>>2131248
Thats really neat. How do you do that?

>>2131776

This is so cool. Nice work man

>>2132032

Thanks.

>>2131987
The other guy here, but I wanna hear this stuff.
Weird people fascinate me.

>Finally redownload Zandronum
>Want to play ZDoom Wars II
>No Wars II servers, only Wars 1
>Want to play All Out War 3
>Nobody's playing it
>Want to play Brutal Doom
>One dude's on the server
What happened

>>2132054
Complex Doom because the popular co-op thing.

Is there a good Christmas mod for DOOM?

>>2132062
Whitemare 2.

>>2132060
Complex Doom? Explain.

>>2132054
>Find Complex Doom
>Downloader says "All Done. Fail."
No other explanation ok I guess I'm mnot playing that

>>2132072

A generic randomizer

>>2132072
It's like Hard Doom but with random chances of different weapons and health/armor pickups everywhere.

It's okayish but it's basically the Co-op mod that's trending right now.

>>2132080
I just want to play Doom Wars 2
I can't even find a server for it, just the first one.
Last year I would play All Out War 2 and there would ALWAYS be people playing it.
Beast Incarnation looks cool but I can't seem to get into it, there's only 1 other guy playing right now.

>>2132070
I looked it up and the demons aren't even wearing Santa hats. The fuck is that?

>>2132089
The final level has a Christmas tree if I remember correctly.

Is ZDWars 1 played on something other than Doomseeker or something I cannot find anyone playing it

>>2132095

Doomseeker is just a browser, anon.
People just aren't playing ZDoom Wars now.

You can start up a server tomorrow or Saturday at a more active time, post it here, and we might be able to fill it up.

>>2129904
Unknown P-Code 134 in script 450

>>2132101
I usually play on Grandvoid's server. It's always running and always empty.

>>2132110

Don't run it in ZDoom, it's a Zandro mod.

Yo, anyone who cares: iSpook posted a screencap of a new weapon in the ZDF/Zandro forum thread for SUAB.

>>2132145
Thank you for the heads up anon.
I've been enjoying SUAB for the most part.

Except for the HP on those Mancubi replacements, holy shit those guys are STURDY

>>2132134
Nothing happens when I run it with Zandro either

>>2132145
railgun, huh?
that sure looks pretty

>>2132158

Yeah, I don't know why they're so sturdy either. I heard he nerfed their speed though, since he accidently left the speed set to "10".

>>2132172
It does look pretty. It's a shame the weapon only drops from the Mastermind replacement, though.

>>2132134
gzdoom user here: it works for me.
using the latest gl2.0 svn version

>>2132179
>Unknown P-Code 134 in script 450

You are still likely getting this message on map load, because this is a Zandronum function that does not exist on ZDoom.

>>2132158
>>2132172
>>2132174
>Grenade launcher nerf
>Ammo nerf
I'm not really looking forward to the update.

>>2132186

I watched a stream a couple of doomers were doing, and one of the players admitted the Grenade launcher was rather strong, and they almost always had full ammo for it.

To be honest the nerf only affected the ammo cases it spawns with, It'll only spawn with 2 3-round cases at most, and the chances for monsters to drop 2-3 single ammo pickups have been lowered a bit

As far for a nerf itself. I had it fire 5-6 projectiles. It only fires 4 now, the projectiles themselves weren't nerfed.

>>2132193

Oh, there was a bit of an ammo nerf in the pickups that spawn with weapons overall, because the streamers were swimming in ammo, but it's not too brutal of a nerf... hopefully.

>>2132193
>Projectiles themselves weren't nerfed
Still cuts off like a fifth of it's damage but okay.

It was just my go to weapon for the pinky replacements and the Cacodemons. They're so sturdy when using any other weapon and the grenade launcher is still kind of slow at dealing with them.
On a related note can you tone down the explosion sound or something? When all four go off at once it comes out really loud and kind of staticy.

On an unrelated note:
Are Mancubi replacements supposed to be so sturdy?
They take like 8 grenades EACH and that's before the nerf.

Hey, Vanguard is pretty beautiful, why didn't anyone tell me?

>>2132198

I suppose I could return it to 5 projectiles, and I'll limit the explosion sound, sure.

And yes. The author decided they had to be that sturdy.

>>2132204
Vanguard won a Cacoward in 2011, you can't really pull the "why didnt anyone tell me" card.

>>2132259
Just being a little facetious.
Tough at the start though, ammo is scarce.

>>2131505

The new armageddon lost soul replacements are pretty terrifying to say the least

>>2132183
this is correct. just noticed it.

>>2132220
It caught me off guard how resilient they were.

It made Dead Simple a bit of a nuisance to say the least.

I don't normally like slow paced mods but damn, this one is really nice.

Does anyone recognize this WAD?

>>2132445
I recognize it, but I don't remember the name. Sorry m8.

>>2132445
Holy shit, it looks badass.
I bet it could break DRPG within 3 minutes.

>>2129359
Could you upload it to mega download since I do not have to reinstall all of my wads.

>>2132445
Looks fun.

V0.01e of SUAB has been uploaded and posted in the Zdoom/Zando forums, go check it out if you want.to.

https://copy.com/M3XecBSZbLEvLqSZ

Newest version of SUAB is uploaded, check the forum thread for some of the changes made this time around.

>>2131313
I want to shoot this.

So, according to OP this is probably a decent place to ask questions about Descent. I've recently decided to play it a bit (first time), starting with the first one and using the Rebirth source port. Here are the questions:

1. I seem to vaguely remember there being some cinematics; however, in 1 I only got text-over-picture intermissions and short cinematics when escaping the blowing up bases. Are longer cinematics a Descent 2 thing or is there a problem with playback?

2. Movement. I remapped controls to WASD so now my ship controls sort of like an FPS protag, but in 3D. That seems fine for combat, but I get really fucked up by things attacking me from behind. The turning speed seems kinda low, too. Is that just how the game is?

3. I'm curious, the game has save everywhere function, but also lives system and the way savegames are accessed feels like an afterthought (can't save in escape menu). Was it supposed to be completed "in one go" initially?

Justified Classes killed MM8BDM.

>>2132969
>Cinematics
They were from the PSX version, I don't think they were ever on PC. http://www.dxx-rebirth.com/frm/index.php?topic=1516.0

>Movement
Yeah, try a WASDQE+arrow keys/mouse setup and see how you do (Q and E for rolling left/right, A and D for sliding). There's a forced limit on how fast your ship can turn, get used to only moving the mouse as fast as your ship can turn so you don't run out of mouse space.

>Saving
Yeah, you could save in the DOS ver.
http://www.dxx-rebirth.com/features/

>>2132987

MM8BDM screwed MM8BDM

Painkiller Black Edition is on sale on GOG right now.
http://www.gog.com/game/painkiller

So I was thinking of a silly completionist idea

for the full mod (dungeons and shit included) I had an idea of a Handbook/Journal kind of thing, where once you visit a location, find an item or slaughter an enemy you fill up a page in the journal - the pages would contain a sketch and some information about them, locations and such.

Now it wouldn't be the spirit of the mod without a little comedy - I was thinking of making an Intelligence stat (to control potency of magic and alchemy) - here's where the book comes in, if your INT stat is below a certain threshold, the handwriting and lexicon used are more limited - perhaps to that of a child's. Drawings are primitive scribbles with mistakes and such, but are still legible to a degree - whilst high INT would neaten up the spelling & grammar, clearer pictures and other such stuff.
I was thinking of making it an uncommon thing, though - say if the player only has 1-2 INT,

>>2133238
i like that idea
maybe you could even keep a kid or two in your basement to draw/describe for you, to give it an authentic feel

>>2133249
>maybe you could even keep a kid or two in your basement to draw/describe for you, to give it an authentic feel

>>2133102
Thanks for the answers! Yeah, I am aware of Q and E. And I guess I can just youtube the cinematics. Turning speed limit makes sense too. Guess I'll be entering rooms on reverse, seeing as how level designers seem to like placing bots in niches.

The game is pretty fun so far, very advanced for its time. Kinda sad the subgenre died with it, though I've seen webms of some kinda fan game based on it recently, looked good.

scrub question but how the fuck do i dodge the archville flame attack?

>>2133238

sounds cool.

>>2133410
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HJcf0aOwmiA#t=174

(The whole video is worth watching, btw.)

>>2133410
Get out of his line of sight. As long as he can't directly see you by the time the attack reaches it's climax, you won't take a hit.
You can literally hide behind a corner or a 32 unit wide column. Hell, you could hide behind a 16 or even 8 unit wide column to break his line of sight if you do it just right.

Another pointer is that unless you have hit him with an attack, he won't start to try and flash-fry you until you are within 1024 map units of his reach. He's bleeding fast though, so keep that in mind.

Also, watch this educational video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJcf0aOwmiA
It may seem goofy, but there's some very valuable tips and tricks in there that even some long time Doomers don't always know.

Never saw this banner before.

Where might I be able to find the bitmap font(s) used in Doom and/or Chex quest?

>>2131313

>SS3 Kleer

If the Revenant is a demon skeleton, then what demon is it from? It's pretty tall and humanoid.

>>2133453
I always theorised that they are the possessed remains of the Martians, however I'm not sure if the Martians are cannon in classic doom because the doom bible called some items and powerups 'artifacts', but that could simply mean ones recovered from hell.
However no reference to excavations of mars and it's moons or hell are made.

>>2133467
>>2133453
I always assumed they were the skeletons of archviles, because they have a similar size and shape

>>2133474
Aren't they a good bit taller?

>>2133453
If anything its Heretic's undead warrior with less armor and more rocket launchers, which also doesnt fit to be the skeleton of anything in the game.

>>2133453

The only thing that fits its size is a Cyberdemon or an Archvile.

>>2129501
FreeDoom's textures are good alternates. Just download it and delete the sprites with Slade.

>>2130007
Dehacked literally is everything that you can do with hacking the default exe. Anything further requires an entirely new system of code, I.e. DECORATE.

Do you even use Dehacked?

>>2133429
bumpin

>>2132445

I forget the name but I've played it. Other than (very) impressive architecture and cool gimmicks it's really not that fun.

>>2133508
>>2133429

In the wads?
Not sure I understand what you're saying.

>>2133508
/vr/ and especially /doom/ are slow, anon. Don't fucking "bump."

>>2133527
you know, like letters A-Z, numbers 0-9, punctuation, etc. Are is every line of text in the game a pre-made image?

I would think think that after 2 decades there would be a collection of this, but i've yet to find it.

>>2133545
extract them from wads yourself you lazy fuck

>>2133545

In a pre-made image? No, I don't think so.
You'd be better following >>2133527 and extracting them from the wads.

>>2133579
I found an application called doom writer. I got the bigger text I need, can't figger out how to get the smallfont from it tho.

>>2133605
>doom writer
Link?

>>2133467
>martians
>doom bible

remember: doom bible doom wasn't on mars...it was on a random exoplanet called tei tenga. the artifacts were from hell.

>>2133453
>then what demon is it from?

if we want to just pull stuff out of historical beliefs (assuming that abrahamism is what's "true" in doom universe), they could be the skeletons of the long-dead nephillim.

>>2133615
http://zandronum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=4670

So let me first off say keep up the great work on GMOTA Combine. I've lost quite a few hours playing through different wads and having a blast!

Question, would it be hard to add in your own spc music? I've looked through the .pk3, but is it just a simple matter of naming the spc file BLAZ(whatever number) and adding it in? or does more need to be done?

>>2133795
>but is it just a simple matter of naming the spc file BLAZ(whatever number) and adding it in?

If you replace the existing files, yes.
If you want to add on to the existing music, you'll need to edit the ACS.

What FPS do you guys get in GZDoom? (vid_fps 1)

On Doom 2 map01: Entryway, I get between 1037-1058 when starting the map and idling.

I get between 40-70 on nuts.wad when monsters are idle, and between 12-20 when the monsters are awake.

>>2133926
This is GZDoom 2.1.pre-343 by the way.

>>2131779
Do you have the bunny picture?
please

>>2133929
Not even 4 minutes cropping the bunny picture and reverse-image searching for the original.

What happened to these threads? So damn slow.

>>2133991
They sometimes slow down depending on the time of day and week.

>>2133994
They used to be faster than this months ago.

>>2134004
That might be because quite a bit of people left for a better chan

>>2134004
Coincidentally, 4chan peaks in traffic during christmas.

I get the feeling that summer is the peak time of year for /vr/ and threads like these.

>>2134008
>8c's Doom thread and Doom board
You're statistically wrong.

>>2134008

that's a pretty strong opinion that I'm going to allow you to have. because it is (y)our right after all.

>>2134012

we also got tons of people when the doom 4 thing happened. we also tend to get tons of people around the anniversaries themselves.

>>2133991
It's 5am on a saturday morning in the US on the weekend before x-mas

It's a mystery

What are some good Mapsets that werent in the top 100 or Cacowards (even as runner ups)?

I've always had a soft spot for Marswar myself.

>>2133491
>Archvile
revenants are the result of an Archvile resurrecting another Archvile?

>>2134070

Maybe that's why Archviles aren't revivable:

It's not because they can't, they don't want to because Revenants are absolute dickwagons in the demon world

>>2134008
Just a quick reminder: the last time people left for a better chan due to unhappiness with rules, we got a ring of pedophiles and an endless legion of spambots that made moot implement captcha for the first time.

>>2134072
>By Romero, why the fuck did you revive Larry?
>just when we thought his death would end the relentless barrage of 'vile' puns you revive him
>now he's running around the place making boner jokes
>wait until the Mastermind hears of this

>>2134069
Double Impact, it's a great Episode 1 replacement, has an almost Episode 2 feel to it, but at the same time a sort of middle of TNT Evilution feel to it, hard to describe, but it does convey the space-base feeling very well, the way the map makers play with lighting is fantastic at setting a mood.

>>2134075
Are you talking about 7chan or Anontalk?
One's a ghost-town, one's run by super creepy, turbo-autistic quasi-fascist with a Terminator stare.

That said, I don't think haet chon is necessarily a bad place, I think the base concept of being able to make and manage your own board is a pretty good one, and I think Hotwheels is a good person, but I just don't think that there's any boards on there that have quite the same draw for me as some of my favorite ones, they lack the amount of traffic I'm so used to, and connection isn't always good.

>>2134079
>but at the same time a sort of middle of TNT Evilution feel to it
that's because the sky texture is a remake of same

>>2134079
Double Impact is a great mapset. But I've already played it as it was in the 2011 cacowards.

I'm looking for underrated hidden gems that didnt manage to make it in cacowards or top 100.

>>2134082
I know, and I fucking love the pitch-black sky with stars, it conveys the spacebase feel so much better than any of the original sky textures did in Doom (not that I don't love them).

>>2134084
Doxylamine Moon: Overdose and any other works by the same author, maps are beautiful, large and long lasting, with a haunting and oppressing atmosphere.

>>2134085
I fucking love dark space/night skies. I kinda wish more megawads took the Icarus/Kama Sutra route, and had the 3rd act set at night/space instead of being in hell.

>>2134086
A bit processor intensive in some areas, but 100% worth it.

>>2134089
This was one of the first skies pitched for Phobos during Doom's development, though not as visually interesting as the final result, tell me this wouldn't have radically changed the atmosphere.

>>2134086
>>2134093
The titlepic does a great job of representing how empty and hollow the city feels, you really feel like you're one of the few humans left alive.

>>2134096
If they made the outdoor areas darker, that sky would've fit knee deep like a glove.

>>2134086
>>2134093
>>2134105
Seems pretty great so far. Thanks.

>>2134107
They wouldn't necessarily have made it too much darker.

Well, they could have made it darker, added the distant sun casting light on Phobos from afar, and then play with static lighting to make it look like the bases are casting shadows, like in Double Impact

>>2134108
I will also recommend 5TILL L1 Complex, and Object 34 Sonar, once you're done with Overdose

>>2134109
i'm pretty sure double impact style outdoor lighting would have put too much pressure on the visplane limit. it would have been glorious though i agree

>>2134119
Don't forget Deneb Colony

>>2134121
Well obviously not as detailed, but two or three simple linedefs separating the outdoor area in E1M2 into two, aligned with a four piece skybox (like in Final Doom), and making one side darker, probably would have been perfectly doable.

I'm having some difficulty running the main Metroid Dreadnought PK3 file (the levels one works perfectly fine for some reason), anyone care to lend a hand

>>2134124
You could start by saying what exactly is the problem, we're not magicians

>>2134127
I keep getting a script error/bad syntax

>>2134132
Post it, we can't help if we can't see it

>>2134139
Script warning, "metroiddreadnought-v1.pk3:decorate/beams/chromastorm.dec" line 374:
Unknown class name 'RuneSpread'

Script error, "metroiddreadnought-v1.pk3:sbarinfo.txt" line 9:
Bad syntax.

>DoomRPG
>DoomRL Arsenal and Monsters
>Oblige-generated map, everything set to be as random as possible
>Jimmy's Jukebox, playlist generated from the entire pool, completely random

Am I in for some shit? Because I'm pretty sure I'm in for some shit.

>>2134069
>>2134084
Dark Covenant (DARKCVNT.WAD) was pretty good for its time (1996).

I actually find it baffling that it wasnt part of the top 100, yet 99 Ways To Die made it in. 99WAYS had decent lighting for 96, but the maps themselves were very underwhelming outside of that.

>>2134151
You're in for some not much shit because Oblige is pretty boring but it won't be a bad experience

>>2134146
What version of GZDoom are you using? Have you tried using a git build?

http://devbuilds.drdteam.org/gzdoom/

>>2134170
I'm using the latest version of ZDoom

>>2134151
That's a pretty standard combination. I got kind of tired of OBLIGE maps after a while though.

Why does nobody ever play this mod?
I fucking adore it in every way.

>>2134168
>>2134173

Well, it's certainly off to a good start with some crazy massive map with over 300 monsters in it.

>>2134180
It was one of the many casualties when Ghouls vs Humans showed up

>>2134107
I've played around with altering e1's skies before....

normal lighting looks ok with a black/space sky to me.

remember: space has a black sky because of no atmosphee, not because of no light.

Hey, you know what would make for an interesting WAD? Five Nights At Freddy's

>>2134196

Hey, you know who's a fag?
You.

>>2134196
How would it be interesting?
Are you thinking about a Doom level that takes place in the restaurant at night?
Or are you thinking of FNAF's gameplay in Doom?

>>2134196
Been there
Done that
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=46813

>>2134196
Hey, you know what?
it wouldn't because it fucking sucks, go back to watching pewdiepie

>>2134196
le epik FFN@F

>>2133894

Oh you, Scroton.

Quick question.
>GIBS
Is it pronounced JIBS or GIBS?

>>2134196
Oh boy, let's convert a modern horror game to an old shooter format for no forseeable gain!
It'll be like Ghoul's Forest except absolutely unnecessary and boring!

>>2134224
I pronounce it Gibs because its Spelt Gibs

>>2134224
I pronounce it Jibs because its an abbreviation of Giblets.

>>2134238
Well shit. Been calling it gibs my whole life and I can't stop now. It's like GIF. It just won't ever feel right.

>>2134247
With that logic GIF should be pronouced just as it looks, GIF stands for Graphics Interchange Format.

>>2134017

depends on what board's /doom/ you go to

>/doom/ board
dead as shit

>/vr/doom/
dead as shit

>/v/doom/
slightly slower than this chan's /vr/doom/

>>2134127
Not him, but also having trouble with dreadnought. I'm using GZDoom 1.8.2.0.

Script error, "MetroidDreadnought-v1.pk3:sbarinfo.txt" line 9:
Bad syntax.

>>2134204
That's not going to stop them.

They'll keep on churning them out because THIS TIME they TOTALLY GOT IT GUISE.

>http://zandronum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=5416

This one was made after the other one, and from a gameplay point of view (not saying I've played either one, game or mod) the first one looks more entertaining; even though it doesn't play anything like the original.

Also, is it really necessary to be a dick about something that someone else might like? Can't handle people liking other things?

>>2134172

Apparently not, if you're getting that error.

http://devbuilds.drdteam.org/zdoom/

Upgrade.

>>2134280
See
>>2134357
>>2134170

Upgrade. That error comes from an out-of-date version of GZDoom/ZDoom that can't read Zandronum SBARINFO commands.

http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=36713&start=30#p800544

>>2134376
It looks like smooth doom has some work to do.

>>2134380
yes indeedy

>>2134008

>>2134282
Becuase people around here think it's /v/

>>2132445
there are relatively few doom1 wads compared with doom2, and relatively few of those put levels in episode 4, so there's not a great deal of wads this could actually be from. yet i don't recognise it at all, is it zdoom-only or what?

I found this on a mp3 website back in 2010.
It was called maybedoom4.

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1vRYqjUyOtT

I can't find it now (I'm not sure if it's because of it being taken down or the website being blocked.
It sounds exactly like how I'd want Doom 4 to sound. I hope it's at least an old version.
god I love that baron's roar and the arachnotron walk and shoot

>>2130021

>Ok so, what's the consensus on DemonSteele?
>How long until you start to hate it, if you don't hate it now?

Wait wait wait, is it reverse day already?

>>2134585

If the second sentence didn't clue you in, it's just some nerd trying to start shit with "lol you hate burtl".

>>2134606

>implying it wasn't too fucking obvious

thanks anyway, sherlock

>>2134613
then why the fuck are you replying
inb4 why are YOU replying

>>2134585
>>2134606
>>2134613
SURE DO LOVE THIS DOOM DISCUSSION!

But seriously, let's start listing some wads that go well with Demonsteele; either by having a fuckton of monsters to mash-up or some other quality that meshes well with Demonsteele.

>BTSXE1 & 2
Not only do most levels easily go over 100 monsters, but they contain a nice mix of open/closed in areas to change up the flow of combat between mad slashing and tactiful striking. Good balance that allows the ranged weapons to shine as well as the melee ones.

>>2134606
>>2134585
To be fair, most of the criticisms BD gets could apply to Demonsteele. It's super cartoonishly violent, has loud, goofy sound effects, and it completely changes the gameplay to something that's not really Doom anymore. I mean, I love Demonsteele and Brutal Doom for and not in spite of these things, but these are objective observations.

Didn't BD win the first gameplay mod Cacoward? I remember people really liking the mod in 2010-2011 before all the drama around its author and all the Doom newcomers who liked the mod better than the original game.

>>2134620
Those complaints you listed aren't exclusive to BD, though.
If your criticisms are
>more blood
>loud sounds
>changes the gameplay
then it's a ton of other mods that fall under that category as well.

If your criticisms with BD are features specific to it, then no, there's not a high chance they'll apply to anything other than BD.

>>2134620
>>2134627
>>2134620
>most of the criticisms BD gets could apply to Demonsteele

>things I don't like about BD
>the cruelty bonuses
>the fatalities
>the needless ADS
>the upcoming ability to dual-wield shit that doesn't need it
>the screams lasting fucking forever and a half
>the inconsistent design direction resulting in things getting added then removed then added again then removed once more
>FFFFUCUCCKKK YOURSELFNSLFLFLFFFFFFFF

not really seeing the overlap between the two
like BD if you want to, i don't care, but trying to push that two entirely different mods with different ideas, gameplay, goals, and everything should get the same reception for the same reason is fucking retarded

coincidentally we had a batch of people trying to push brutal comparisons on MSX after it won too HMMMMMMMMM

>>2134640
>HMMMMMMMMM
>MMMMMMM

jhon cromak is that u??

>>2134640
>>the screams lasting fucking forever and a half
this, I fucking love BD but I hate hearing AHH AHHH AHHH AHHH AHHH AHHH AHHH AHHH for an hour and wasting a bullet just to make it stop.

>BTSX palette fucking with every mod I try to play with it

>>2134660
that type of thing is only going to get more common unfortunately

>>2134617
>Scythe 2
The episode aesthetic is wonderfully complimentary, if you'll excuse the faggotry in that phrasing, and the slaughtermaps are nice and hectic without being overbearing.

>New Gothic
Slaughter from the word go, a delicious mappack that does a whole ton of crazy shit with a nice gothic artistic direction.

>Demons of Problematique 1 & 2
A few ACS problems and you'll need to bring your own soundtrack, but this imo is probably the closest to what an official Demonsteele mapset should look like. Desolate corridors, gothic cathedrals, beautiful lighting, and hectic fights out the ass.

>Hellground
MMMMMMMMMM DAT DOOM PSX INSPIRED AESTHETIC
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM DAT MASSIVE SLAUGHTERFEST AT THE END

Basically what I'm saying is that I think the best compliments to Demonsteele are a sort of...darker, more gothic or medieval map style. Traditional techbases just don't seem to really "fit".

>>2134660
>>2134669

Mayan Mishap doesn't, this is more common in wads where they baleete and rearrange the whole palette to get rid of the duplicates (because there ARE duplicates in that shit)

>>2134670
>gothic or medieval map style
try Courtyard Escape, it's borderline slaughtery, wide open, and lots of fun
http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=13041
requires the gothic textures
http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=10203

Some source port should really put in support for multiple sets of palettes / colormaps at the same time

So like if you load BTSX and some weapon mod, it keeps track of which lumps are from which WAD and applies the appropriate palette to it

Pls proceed to get hyped for 32in24-14 happening at midnight EST

>>2134640

>the cruelty bonuses
You don't like getting +5 health for a quick and precise shot, or you don't like that you're rewarded for violence?
>the fatalities
PRESS RELOAD TO ACTIVATE SMASH MODE
>the needless ADS
If this doesn't break the game in some way, it's a matter of you not liking a new feature in an old game. Which is fine, but it does mean you don't like that it's different from your expectations.
>the upcoming ability to dual-wield shit that doesn't need it
See above.
>the screams lasting fucking forever and a half
You don't like it; fine. But it's no more or less annoying than hearing that beheading sound every .5 seconds or WHOOPSing for secrets.
>the inconsistent design direction resulting in things getting added then removed then added again then removed once more
Eh, that's development for you. I don't expect v20 to be the same as v1,
>FFFFUCUCCKKK YOURSELFNSLFLFLFFFFFFFF
That's a loud, goofy sound you don't like. One that made me giggle.

>trying to push that two entirely different mods with different ideas, gameplay, goals, and everything should get the same reception for the same reason is fucking retarded
I'm not saying they should get identical reception for the same reasons. I'm just pointing out that they get complete opposite reception for the same reasons. It doesn't surprise me that people like Demonsteele, but it does surprise me that people are so vocally hateful toward Brutal Doom. It honestly weirds me out that there's so much hate and vitriol for an amateur mod in a community like this. Besides Terrywads, have there ever been any other mods to garner so much ill will in Doom's history?

>>2134695
THE FAP IS REAL

>>2134689
i have had this idea too
it seems obvious for a given graphic lump to use the playpal lump in the same wad if it exists
however the system would need a true colour renderer or at the very least to pick a "final" palette and translate all other palettes to the final one, which might look shit. and doing true colour has its own set of problems.

>Using Doombuilder
>F9
>W_AddFile: Couldn't open "...\My Documents\prboom-plus-2.5.1.3/.wad"

All I wanted was to test a Boom map in PrBoom+. wat do?

>>2134696

So you completely dismiss that guy's BD-specific criticisms, and then continue to insist that BD and DemonSteele are getting opposite reception for the same things?

Wow, dude.

>>2134696
>let me tell you why my comparison is invalid
>then let me make the same comparison again

like your brutal if you want, i don't give a shit
that doesn't change the fact that people are going to like and dislike things for different reasons

you can't strawman two different mods to "it's loud and gameplay is different and there's blood everywhere WHY DO YOU GUYS HATE THIS AND NOT ZDOOM WARS"

>>2134620
The main issue I have with Brutal Doom is that it distorts the game into modern day FPS (I still resent Romero saying that it was better than anything id could have done), not to mention that earlier versions actually had the demons talk

Demonsteele is more like if Doom & Shadow Warrior had a baby and doesn't try and make the feel gritty and realistic like Brutal Doom is

>>2134759
>I still resent Romero saying that it was better than anything id could have done

He never said that.

There will be a Scythe UV-Speed run on the Speedrunning general event on Dec 22th. Check http://srg.speedrun.tv/ for the hour and stream link if you're interested, donations go to Doctors Without Borders.

>>2134760
He said it on facebook and in a gamespot retrospective let's play for Doom's 20 anniversary

>>2134765

No, he didn't.
His exact phrase was "If we had released Brutal Doom, we would have destroyed the industry" and "Brutal Doom is hilarious", without clarification of good hilarious or bad hilarious.
He has tactfully avoided actually having an opinion on the matter.

>>2134763
>Scythe

Oh hell yes.

>>2134763
Oh, also on that link there's a Blood and Shadow Warrior runs, and the 2 first Quakes.

>>2134763
>Dat needle

>>2134765
>and in a gamespot retrospective let's play
nigga you can't even remember that it was ign

>>2134763
i'm not gonna be able to watch this if this on the screen

Off topic question:
What extension are you people using? 4chanX hasn't updated the new captcha thing yet, and it's pissing me off turning off grease monkey every time I have to post.