/vr/ - Retro Games

The last thread got me inspired to play SaGa Frontier again. Beat Blue's route already and I'm prepping myself for a Riki run. I've already decided on my party but I can't remember from the last time I played: do you have to go to Tanzer straight after leaving Koolong for the first time? or can you bypass the conversation with Mei-Ling where she tells you about the next ring locations?

>>2087498
Mei Ling will give you a list of the Rings' whereabouts, once you select the info about the ring in Tanzer (or start the Rune Quest) you'll get swallowed next time you depart from Koorong.

>>2087507
Riki really is the girliest looking boy (monster) ever

>>2087523
Tomomi Kobayashi like her girly shota. until you're 20 years old you're generally not allowed to look like a man for her, unless you're Gustav or Wil Knights, Wil was particularly manly for his age compared to most SaGa youngsters.

I just started playing Final Fantasy Legend. I guess it may have been because of the last thread. There are definitely a lot of interesting mechanics that I haven't seen in any other games. Having different growth methods for different classes is a good idea. I really don't like how the mutant's skills seem to change completely at random, but other than that, no complaints.

I'd like to get more into the series, as I'd previously only played around with RS3 a little bit. I saw in the last thread that an RS2 translation was supposed to be released "soon". Is there a translation for RS1 being worked on anywhere, or is the PS2 remake the only option for that one?

>>2087721
RS 1 is in like final beta testing, I think.

http://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?topic=18590.0

That being said, you should play the PS2 remake instead. RS1 is REALLY rough.

RS2 translation released soon? Nah, there's just a "we're totally working on it" update, but it's Gideon, he takes forever to get anything done.

>>2087721
Unfortunately you still have to wait for the first two RomaSaGa. You can however continue with the other two SaGa games on the GB and go onto Frontier as they share a lot of elements.
The Romancing series is still mostly in japanese and even then RomaSaGa3's translation is a bit wonky sometimes, it loses a lot compared to the original jap version.

The PS2 remake should be considered a different game from the original SNES title, they're wildly different mechanic wise.

>>2087748
>>2087757
I'm glad at least to see they're both being worked on. I believe someone mentioned an RS3 retranslation being released soon in the previous thread. It would be great to see the entire series finally available to play in English. I've been interested in the SNES titles for a very long time.

Seven Heroes Vs. Edelritter

Who do you prefer?

>Get Lennord in T240G's playthrough
>Go to buy some more guns in Korrang
>Gun dealer joins my party
>Can't buy guns anymore

Is there anywhere else to get more hyperblasters or grain cannons?

>>2087797
If you give EngineerCar the Tiger Program and an Octopus Board for Tiger Rampage, and get Leonard to learn PluralSlash, you really only need 2 mecs to use cannon-type weapons (with which you should use the ability "Magnify" instead of "Shoot-All") so you should really already have enough guns. T260G's quest throws a shitload of premium mec equipment at you anyway, you'll be fine if you search her character specific dungeons thoroughly enough.

The only other gun shops are at Nakajima Robotics and in the secret sewer area near the military defensive gear shop in koorong. They won't sell the super great cannons you want, but it might be a better idea to go to Nelson via Owmi and buy some warlord armors instead with your hard earned cash.

>>2087484
Do you want to include this? http://ux.getuploader.com/romancingsaga312/
It has main rs3 hacks in it.

>>2087825
is warlord armor better than the powered suit? I always assumed the latter was better because of the higher defence. Also didn't know about the multiple defence types until the last topic.

>>2088327
The warlord armor gives more VIT, costs less, and has better electric defense, which is important for mecs.

if anything it's best to have one of each, unless you can get spriggan suit or pluto armor.

So we know Kawazu has expressed his desire to deliver Romancing SaGa 4 "before he dies," that a new SaGa game is in fact in the works, and that SE is announcing a new console-oriented RPG in December which happens to be the 25th anniversary of the series. What are the odds a new proper SaGa game is revealed by the year's end?

>>2088380
If SE is announcing a "new RPG" it'll certainly not be SaGa. So, the odds are pretty damn low.

>>2087872
Just how hard is it to pick up one of these hacks for someone who doesn't know Japanese?

>>2087872
RS3 RTB here. I've been working with Magno, the guy responsible for the Spanish translation, and we've discussed the possibility of translating one of the romhacks once RS3 is done. I'm vaguely familiar with them from YouTube videos but haven't played any and don't know what the differences between them are.

I can't promise anything at this point (we don't know how feasible it is from a hacking perspective), but if I were to do it, what romhack would you guys like to see the most?

Also I'll answer questions about the retrans if anyone is interested.

>>2088419
Assuming you already played RS3 in english then you should be fine. Gameplay is same with some elements added from other SaGa games. Weapon wazas shouldn't be a problem but there's more magic and it's better to know that it does. Events from other games aren't changed that much so if you have played SaGa games before then it might help you a little at least. The problem is where to go actually because even if they told you in game you wouldn't know because you can't read. There are walkthroughs on youtube and you can always post here so that should be fine. For gameplay problems you can always use patches that make game easier or cheat. If you decide to play then I can write some more detailed tips.

>>2088585
Well I've played some of RS1, all of RS3, SF1, SF2 and most of SaGa 3.

So I don't think I'll be too badly off.

Thanks anon.

>>2088565
Well, there are 2 main hacks at the moment: aabeta and bokuno. aabeta is done and only has some additional patches but bokuno still gets new version every month. The obvious choice here would be aabeta unless bokuno gets finished soon (probably not). Of course bokuno is fully playable now, new versions just adds more events and they actually try to balance stuff (unlike aabeta where everything is broken including super hard bosses).

Basic difference between the hacks is that aabeta has more focus on gameplay/system elements (stuff like pic related, combo, skill, classes, etc.) while bokuno is more/better events and better looks (more updated sprites and waza/magic sfx) and is easier.

>>2088616
I've always wondered, was it even possible to beat Kujinishi in the opening of Harid/Mihkail/Katarina's scenario?

I remember trying a while back and stopping because of that. I wound up beating like 3 other SaGa games after instead.

>>2088620
It's tricky because you have to get Soul Steal evade from wounded soldier in one of the rooms so your MC doesn't get instakilled in prologue. Then you just pound him while healing with Mikhail staff

Here's vid with the room
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNUXtMmZ_og&list=PLlyjSLv9ootL_85-ShNmqi9OmF_gHferr#t=332

>>2088616
Might as well google translate something from bokuno readme file about which gameplay changes are here before I go to sleep:
-Spark suitability mitigation (no idea, but this is also part of "easy game patches")
-basic magic spell is isolated and you spark some magic from it
-combined magic
-main hero change
-mastery upper limit changed (???)
-multiple drops
-regen LP in inn
-double crowns
-force phase change

I wonder if "easy game patches" will work with english rs3? Will test that tomorrow.

>>2088565
Which one is Bokuno?

So uhh, who do I pick?

In Vanilla, I took Julian.

Additionally, is it normal to suffer graphical glitches in the menus?

>>2087507
Follow up question: Is it possible for Riki to absorb Feint from the Pink Lummox sisters in Margmel?

And I'm back

>>2088681
>>2088709
So you have decided to play. For graphical issues, you have to change your config file and set
BlockInvalidVRAMAccess = FALSE
(pic related)

Prologue is pretty much the same for heroes (I think podol cave must be cleared) and they get decent cosplays later. You can also change your main hero to anyone later in Westia

>>2089342
And I forgot my pic

>>2087872
OP here, I'll put it in the pastebin ASAP, many thanks Anon!

I also have to ask if any of you guys can point out a good FAQ for the old SaGa trilogy on the GB as it's been too long for me to be objective in judging how good a FAQ for those is, I'd need to fully replay those games and I don't have nearly enough time for that now.

I'm also wondering whether to write a small FAQ for those who are new to SaGa in orer to introduce and explain general mechanics and some particularly complex ones depending on the game.

Do you think it could be useful?

Harid cosplay looks nice.

>>2088709
I also didn't ask, are you are going to play it blind or stick to videos?

How do you do the business minigame and the army minigame in RS3? Also, is magic worth it?

>>2089370
The Business minigame can be a bit Tricky as you have to be a bit subtle, it's the perfect jew simulator though.
What I suggest you to do is begin to buy all the smaller activities and shops, begin with the independent ones and then proceed on buying the others tied to the bigger companies, that will not only increase your revenue but decrease the other companies' revenue too giving you a great advantage in the long run.
The Army Minigame is really only relevant if you play as Mikhail and it's a bit more specific since most battles are different and require a different strategy, all I can say is manage your formations and commands well and learn how to exploit the momentum, remember that killing the leader of an army almost always equals to victory by default, though some times you should focus on pressuring them and switching to full defense rather than being aggressive.

Wonder if RS3 retranslation guy is willing to translate aaBeta for us?

I think the added text and hacking might slay him though, so prob not?

>>2089370
>Also, is magic worth it?
Yes... for utility more so than attack damage though, like most of the RS games

>>2089363
A combination of both.

I'll use the videos to figure out where to go but I'll probably do up the rest myself.

My team will probably be RS3 Hero, Red, Ginny, Albert and someone else.

>>2089416
Another question, which spell trees should I level up to unlock the more useful combination spells?

>>2089427
Fire for Soul Song (increases offensive stats), Moon for Shadow Servant. Maybe Earth for Antimagic but that's situational use. Other combined magic is not that useful or is used for damage dealing. Global healing speels take all your JP AND 1 LP, too much cost so I never used them. Dragon Ascend can be dispelled, Simulacram is meh, Reviver is okay? not sure if it can be dispelled, never bothered with Wall of Light, Quick Time takes all your JP, Parhelion is okay
You want everyone to use some magic at least for healing (sun water and wind has best single heals).

>>2089416
Red - Alkaiser is awesome, gets stats and def boost after transformation and his hero waza hits like a truck. It's based on your matrial arts level, will and str stats
Ginny can later get Night Hunter(shadow servant custom spell) but you have to let Cordelia die in Alexei event
For Albert, he gets his cosplay late (Mirsa Sword) which gives him +7 to his will and Mirsa Sword has it's waza (Leftyfork).

>>2089448
Leftyfork is of course based on will stat.
Forgot that Ginny also has cosplay (Brimslavas??? I think it was Eternity Staff in SF2).
For last party member, maybe someone magic focused? Dealing damage with magic is possible (Crimson Flare, Galaxy, Tempest, etc.)

SaGa fighting game: Genocide SaGa

You will need AppLocale to play it; right click and choose the option Run with Japanese Locale as Administrator.

Sadly this is the only accessible version, and this is an earlier one, the later one had Sharon from SaGa 3 and Fullbright from Romancing SaGa 3. The original creator's site is long gone though...

Some interesting things about the game:

Victor is a reanimated corpse (Weak to Monica's Southern Cross and can use Shadow Magic)

They made the Chainsaw be able to kill SaGa 1 God like in the original game.

Haniwa uses Seven Branch Sword as one of his specials

You can switch Noel's abilities between Sword and Fists, With fists he can use Heat Hand and Red Dragon Wave, while in Sword mode he can use Moonshades

One of Dion's specials is that he can self-destruct, however it will count as a loss for the player using Dion if player does not kill enemy with that special.

Board won't let me post the link to the download site because it registers as spam.

>>2089457
>Victor is a reanimated corpse

;_;

>>2089451
Blue/Rouge I guess would be my last member.

How long would it take for me to gather everyone?

No idea how to divide magic among members though besides stacking the more supportive ones.

Additionally going to pick Katarina as my MC. I can't quite remember the best setup for a Greatsword one though.

is this turning into a new general

>>2089470
Maybe, depends on how long it resists.

I'd like to get more people into SaGa though and since /vr/ is a much better place to discuss games than /v/ or /vg/ I don't think we'll degenerate into full blown faggotry anytime soon.

Also, don't make the error of going Meta, it's the first step towards faggotry/shitposting, keep talking about the games, if you don't have anything to say, don't post.

>>2089416
Maybe I should write about some events that can be missed
SaGa 2 treasure quest: First you talk to guy in Pidona port (green guy), then when you rescure Fairy you also have to get Angel Wings in other tent (can be easily missed). Also you have to do 2 trade missions BEFORE you see any abyss gate to get Thunder Magi.
Defeat Byunei with Gwayne, otherwise the village will be permanently lost.
Not sure but I think you better give professor her pets or she might not hive you Agility Magi later.
Before your MC has 512 HP, you have to do main part of Asellus event (up to passing Dream Gem to Asellus) and Defeat Queen in Vanguard then talking to old man in Pidona about Ants.
Also the small event where you talk to Sheryl then you have to visit Adiris and talk to Poet in Akuba Pass.
Part of Emelia event needs 2nd Zweig Tournament so you can't close 4 Abyss Gates before that.

>>2089460
>reanimated corpse

Threads like this need a "which game do i play first" part for people who want to start the particular series. So. Which one do i play first?

>>2089485
Stop desecrating best Aniue!
>>2089490
Start with either SaGa Frontier or SaGa on the GB, they're pretty easy and teach you the basics without punishing you too much.

>>2089468
You can everyone besided Blue/Rogue very early but you need to Red/Ginny events first (you can do them right after prologue). Albert is in Yusterm pub.

Dividing magic is troublesome but you can always switch later (your level is saved but you can't use it). Also remember that default setup is wind or earth, fire or water and sun or moon. SF2 people can use wind earth fire and water but can't use sun and moon. Also some combination magic will require you to have sun or moon spells.

Also with Katarina you should at least train some foil/spear level for the Holy King Spear buff, you will be using that later.

>>2089490
SF1

I think i'm in love with rocbouquet since the last thread

more pictures of her?

>>2089504
>I think i'm in love with rocbouquet since the last thread

Everyone loves the Bouquet, even though Emerald will always be my waifu.

There you go Anon.

>>2089494

Saga frontier on playstation? Wikipedia says its the 7th game in the series. I dont mind "outdated" controls or graphics, i like to start games near the beginning if they are related in any way.

>>2089363
Yoooo is that the new Harid sprite? Looks fucking cool.

Harid was my fav of the main characters.

>>2089513
Then go with >>2089493 and play SaGa on GB (final fantasy legend)

>>2089515
It's his sprite when you equip him with True Kamsheen

>>2089516
>It's his sprite when you equip him with True Kamsheen

Awesome.

Can't wait.

>>2089520
Sharl with Silver Hand is pretty rad too.

>>2089494
Okay so how does this sound?

Katarina - Spear/Wind/Moon
Ginny - Staff/Water/Earth
Red - Martial/Moon/whatever
Albert - Sword/Fire/Sun
Blue/Rouge - Hardest hitting magic around

I don't know if I'll find the time to actually properly train all of this but considering the sheer amount of events its probably doable.

>>2089385
I'll have to take the time to play it. We're considering it, but we don't know how feasible it is to do a hack of a hack. Getting base RS3 out the door is my priority right now though.

Would you guys be interested in a list of general fixes/improvements compared to the old translation once it releases? So many things are flagrantly wrong with the old one that I started to lose track of them, so I've been taking notes.

>>2089551
Yeah that would be nice.

>>2089541
Sounds good for me. I think Blue comes with default Wind while Rouge with Sun

>>2089523
Awesome. He really needed that update. Old Sharl was way too plain design wise.

>>2089551
You're already doing God's work bro.
As someone who played through Jap and Eng RomaSaGa 3 I can only praise you for your effort and dedication.
If I can make a suggestion do take care in translating properly the characters' speech inflexion, most of the times they sounded very robotic in the patch, Harid and Mikhail are probably the worst offenders, though I know it's a difficult task I'd love to see them speaking as they do in Japanese.
Of course certain parts won't be easy or be impossible to properly translate, Harid's flashback with the princess comes to mind, other parts were done pretty lazily and most of the lore was a bit butchered as well.

I'm rooting for you translationbro, keep fighting the good fight.

>>2089590
I chalk up a lot of the inflexibility of the Mana Sword translation to character limits, but this time around we're using variable width text, which means a lot more text per line and way more room for meaty dialogue. I'm definitely being mindful of speech patterns, and a lot of nuance in particular was lost with all of the prairie tribe dialogue (the Neft for example have an interesting speech pattern which I think is supposed to convey that the translation helmet isn't perfect). There are also a lot of triggers to check and alter dialogue based on who the main character is and how many people are in the party, but most of these were removed from the MS translation. My goal is to add these back in where I can, but a lot of that will be fine-tuning for a later release.

Sadly, as I'm sure you know, too much of the translation is just plain wrong. However, not all of the stiff-sounding dialogue is the fault of the translation; in truth, a good amount of the Japanese script is just bland to begin with. The writing improves with bigger chunks of dialogue and story-related scenes, but even after I exercise my creative license you'll still end up with lines like "I'm the Mayor" (which itself is a joke among Japanese SaGa fans). Don't worry though, I'm doing my best to give it the translation it deserves. You won't be disappointed.

Someone who managed to actually play Unlimited Saga please tell me the story synopsis.

I just know that there are seven wonders, which are monuments of sorts, and that the final boss is a weird thing named Chaos.

The game is a double edged sword for me. I really wanna play it but it's so hard to get behind. The weird tile movement in dungeons isn't my thing either.

>>2089609
You got my message perfectly, and yeah, most people won't be able to get the Kidlant's Mayor meme unless you explain it, but that's of course part of the Japanese community's culture rather than the game itself.

You know, I'd really like to work on a RomaSaGa 2 translation script once I get some free time, that game is too good to be left in the shadows like this, but that requires quite the effort considering how much certain dialogues change due to the non-linearity of the game and the number of characters.

>>2089609
>lines like "I'm the Mayor" (which itself is a joke among Japanese SaGa fans)
That explains that piece of fanart that was posted in the last thread...

>>2089623
There's not really a definite story as in most SaGa games, the seven wonders are monuments from a lost age that house powerful relics or powers and some people want to use those for their own ends.
Laura is babysitting Henry, Ventus is searching for his brother's killer, Mythe is literally looking for his waifu, Judy is looking for his family members and the secret of the ultimate magic tablet, Armic wants to help his tribe by recovering the secret to the Rain ceremony, Kurt just wants to get that goddamn cursed gauntlet off him and Ruby wants to discover the secrets behind her sister's visions.
Ruby is perhaps the character with most world lore due to having based Iskandar as party member, so if you want the most out of the setting's story play her quest.

>>2089565
Speaking of Red, Blue/Rogue where do you go to unlock them?

>>2089656
Blue - Sea Ruins
Rouge - Telerteba tower (to go there you need to unlock Rashkuta first)

>>2089657
That's quite a while off for the magic duo. At least it'll be worth it when I finally get one.

>>2089707
naw sea ruins isn't too bad is it? I usually do forneus first anyway cause I like using Black

Forneus is cake if you know how to manage stat reduction and field effects

>>2089816
I might have mixed up Sea Ruins with the place that's somewhere down in the East.

Yeah, Black isn't so bad to get and its useful to get him right away so you don't have to fool around with Herman for too long.

As for Forneus all I remember about him was that having a mage to keep him from having water field up was crucial.

>>2089831
I think he actually does his maelstrom thing every three turns at the start of the battle and only changes it up when the battle is already going and his HP hits a certain threshold.

>>2089816
Rotten Sea Ruins is pic related, Bottom Sea Palace is Forneus place

>>2089854
So my first instinct was right. I'm not getting Blue until the long quest in the East at around 250-350 HP.

I figure I will try to get into this series (it's either this or Megami Tensei). I remember having one of the Final Fantasy Legends games when I was younger, not sure which. As a stupid kid I never knew what to do...

But I'm side tracking. I know there's a Wonderswan port for the first (of which there is also a translation, so that's what I'm going with) but what about the DS versions of the second and third? Or should I just hop back to the Gameboy?

So are Saga games played best if you rush through with as little combat as possible or will that fuck up your endgame?

Especially asking about Romancing SaGa 1-3 and Frontier1+2

>>2089878
you can go there right of the bat if you can dodge your way through the desert and beat that one forced battle in the cliffs/sand river area. (Most easily beaten with Commander Mode and a full stock of LP)

>>2089991
I think it varies on how much boss HP will scale if you're battling a lot or not very much, but generally running around avoiding as much battle as possible and stealing treasures until your team is decently outfitted is part of the gameplay.

Only SF2 and Unlimited Saga aren't really like that.

Holy shit, why is Cordelia so good? She's constantly sparkling arts out of nowhere.

Also, I have a question, someone spoiled me and said that she can die permanently later in the game but there's a way to prevent it?
How exactly does that work and when? I don't want to be caught by surprise, and she's by far my favorite character in Wil's scenario.

>>2089996
I thought that there was another forced battle in that section?

Where you had to beat the Devil King Armor.

>>2090010
You have to be really stupid to get her killed and essentially completely lack common sense, but I won't spoil it for you if that's what you do.

Spears might be the best weapon type in SF2 and Cody has... that thing you know

There's usually one female character who just seems really disproportionately good at a lot of things in SaGa games and doesn't seem to have any weaknesses.

In SF you get Liza, in Minstrel Song you get Barbara, in RS3 you get Ellen

All of them are really good at Martial Arts

Anyway you should give Cody some Water, Sound, and Tree Tools, and a Fire Tool for good measure. Fire-Water-Thrust-Thrust makes an amazingly good tech. Try to spark it in a duel.

If you have water and sound and tree on her Cody can spark a lot of really good water arts, she's the only one good at it out of Wil's starting group, and her thunder spells are excellent for combos.

>>2090013
I'm not sure you have to start that quest until after the four lords. idk you might, maybe. I think you can skip it though and still open up the different eastern areas

>>2090028
Actually I'm pretty sure all that happens if you go there early is that the old lady kicks the archer girl out of the village and tells her to join you.

I might be completely wrong though!

This was requested on youtube, might as well post it here

Here are RS3 Hack music SPCs I could find (SPC if snes audio format)
http://www.mediafire.com/download/hdz95t55jog1y0m/RS3_Hack_music_spc.zip

>>2090043
is*

In aabeta, where can I buy guns? My current party is Esper, Judy, Meythia and Cordelia. Not sure who else is in the game so I wanted to keep some spots open.

Well I'm finally starting.

Bokuno looks like its going to be a pretty fun experience.

>>2090134
Professor but you need one gun to get another there. Also Red and Mais have guns equipped by default when you recruit them. Best gun is Bryunak (Light Rifle) and it drops from Ikstol (Abyss Bat).
As for characters, do you look for someone specific? I can also make list of all characters in aabeta.

>>2090137
I will try to help unless I'm sleeping

>>2090167
How exactly does the Alexei event from SF2 work?

>>2090167
RS3: original + Professor, Clemens(Muse's father), Ludwig, Gon, Volcano, Bai Meiling (young), Fatima, Nina, Johannes, Anna
RS2: Gerald, Bea, James, Liza, Therese, Aries, Cat, Georg, Sofia, Jeanne, Jyuubei, Coppelia, Nataly, Minerva, Emerald, Hector
RS1: Albert, Jamil, Grey, Hawk, Aisha, Sif, Claudia, Barbara, Diana, Neidhart, Gian, Frielei, Furama, Galahad, Miriam, Silver, Sheryl, Poet, Guella Ha, Darque(ng+ only)
SaGa(1-3): Zeke(Sieg?), Liz, Colonel, Kai, Gal, Haniwa, Milfy
SF1: Emelia, Asellus, Blue/Rouge, Red, Lute, Coon/Riki and T260G (With respective mechanics), Gen, White Rose, Rei, Gold lion, Mesartim, Fuse, Zozma, Nusakan, Annie and Liza (requires patch I think)
SF2: Gustave, Kelivn, Leslie, Cielmer, Will, Cordelia, Narcisse, Tyler, Labelle, Rich, Diana, Ginny, Primiera, Roberto, Gustaf, Meythia, Johan
US: Kurt, Judy, Vent, Laura, Michel, Armic, Ruby, Sapphire, Mythe, Faedalien, Iskandar, Edel

cosplays in next post.

>>2090195
T260g and Nusakan would be fun; don't think I ran into them when I traveled to most of the towns.

>>2090194
You can do it with or without Tyler help, you can also let Cordelia die. Or do you want specific steps?

>>2090195
Cosplays only:
Algenron (Professor with rat poison)
Noble Devils (Zo, Snowman, Boston and Fairy, after Destroyer you will have cosplay items)
Last Emperors: (Gerald with Dayblade, Jeanne with Moonlight)
Victor, Leon (Gerald with Victor Sword or Leon Crown)
Sekishuusai (Jyuubei with Noble Crane)
Sylvan (Claudia with Moonstone)
RS1 Lords (anyone)
Goddess (Kai with Goddess Statue
Wiliam (Labelle with Medalion)
Note that these are complete apperance change cosplays, not all in game.

>>2090221
T260G is in Willminton, Nusakan is hidden in Pidona (you need him for Dream Devil event anyway).

>>2090235
I'm referring to the version that gives Ginny a special skill.

>>2090243
Then we are killing Cordelia. Make sure she is in party during the event. But before that you need to discover Westia if you haven't already and Jewel Mine event and Kidlant Monster event must be completed. Just follow this video BUT DO NOT talk with Tyler.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L82hrkmEOOQ&list=PLlyjSLv9ootL_85-ShNmqi9OmF_gHferr#t=917

>>2090275
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind when I get around to it.

I just finished recruiting Red so my next task is to find a magic filler until when I pick up Blue/Rouge and do some quests.

Albert has the posing downpat but the stats are another story.

Well I certainly didn't except to run into one of the Seven Heroes like this. Especially when I've been having an extremely hard time getting techs to spark.

>>2090235
Thanks for the help! just noticed that esper and t260g has another set of attacks not listed in the abilities or magic. Gonna try and figure that out.

Okay so I went into Stanley? and whenever I talk to the guys walking around outside I'm getting into random encounters.

What's going on?

>>2090795
It's the Vampires questline in aaBeta.

There's a wiki with details for all the quests but I forgot the link

>>2087484
So aside from the new translation based RS3 Restranslation Bro is doing, are there any good/completed translations of the SaGa games(not just 3) out there? I have ROMs for the original and 3, but neither are completely retranslated.

>>2090597
Dantag is in abyss gate places except Forneus palace which has Subier but you don't fight him.
I always went to fight Blue Dragon right after prologue to spark some techs, after that there's Ifrit in Fire Palace that you can run away as much as you can so he is also good.
>>2090748
When you recruited T260G there was a guy next to him, he actually does mecha maintenance and can change T260G type. You will unlock more types later in game.
>>2090795
Vampire event starts pretty quickly and you can't get rid of them until you get Holy Grail.

WHERE'S MAH BOI FUSE AT?

>>2091106
Based Fuse is busy fighting crime and being a generally bad cop.

>>2091008
Thanks, I'll go visit Blue Dragon after I pick up Blue since I'm planning on going to the East after I finish the first Tefal Mines quest.

How do you fix the sound issues on songs like the SF1 random battle theme?

>>2091258
Better not, Saruin Minion will kick your ass.

>SaGa Frontier 2
>missable scenarios unless you play the game in chronological order

Not cool.

>>2091264
Just checked, he has around 10~11k HP

>>2091271
There's only one man, chill.

Also OP here, it seems people are having some problems with the Bokuno Patch, should we make a guide or a short FAQ in english for it?

>>2091273
I actually had a really hard time with the thief leader in the thieves' cave.

Might as well go do some other stuff instead.

>>2091281
Have you checked out pub events? The first ones are piss easy and in some you don't even have to fight.

>>2091286
I did a few of the pub events.

One with treasure and another one where you had to kill a bird thing with claws.

Was also going to try the Shinon Pub quest but I couldn't get Shinon to show up on the map.

>>2091292
Wait. Are you really sure it's not here?

>>2091324
Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

I'd post a picture of my map now, but I'm at work.

Picked Katarina and I'm playing Bokuno 1.8 if that means anything. Speaking of which, is aabeta better than Bokuno or not? I'm more of a gameplay person.

>Being number one and making millions at the business mini-gami
>Patience being rewarded as Katrina can finally punching, countering and tossing monsters to death.
>Fullbright burning things to death.

I'm at the Great Arc, resting after traversing the treasure cave pointed out by a pirate and on to looking for the fairy I set free. Before that, I kicked both Undine and Volcano's ass and looted their treasures.

1. I'm already one number at the business mini-game yet the objectives of beating the Dophore Firm is still there, what gives?

2. Am I able to re-recruit my party members after kicking them out?

3. I noticed the stats of the characters doesn't even change a bit. Is this normal?

>>2091335
>1. I'm already one number at the business mini-game yet the objectives of beating the Dophore Firm is still there, what gives?
I think you actually got to go talk to that one dude to complete the mission once you hit the objective... Fulbright, I think?

>2. Am I able to re-recruit my party members after kicking them out?
Yes, although I've heard there's a bug that makes it so that eventually you can't if you do it too many times... but I don't know the specifics.

>3. I noticed the stats of the characters doesn't even change a bit. Is this normal?
Yes. The stats in RS games are pretty fixed unlike Frontier or the GB ones.

It's weapon proficency that increases in battle.

>>2091335
>2. Am I able to re-recruit my party members after kicking them out?

Just go back to where you recruited them. With the exception of a few cases, you can get the character back.

>3. I noticed the stats of the characters doesn't even change a bit. Is this normal?
Yes, only HP/JP and weapon skill levels change. You have to buff the other stats temporarily through equipment.

>>2091335
>1. I'm already one number at the business mini-game yet the objectives of beating the Dophore Firm is still there, what gives?
Never happened to me, try buying more businesses tied to them, it will also help you in the second part of the minigame
>2. Am I able to re-recruit my party members after kicking them out?
There are a few exceptions like Boston in case you didn't save the Island of the Limit and I think Nora in case you put her to work as a blacksmith
>3.I noticed the stats of the characters doesn't even change a bit. Is this normal?
All stats except HP, WP and JP are fixed unless you use equipment with boost, in that case you'll see a little plus next to the main stat with a number attached to it.

>>2091348
>That beautiful artwork

If the Saga Series survived into the Next Gen Era(PS3, X360, Wii). I can only wonder the ridiculous potential, the hundreds of quests and characters and stuff.

Why is Katarina so great?

There's just something about her that I just can't quite place.

>>2091357
I'd just like a SaGa with the graphics and mechanic depth of Unlimited, the charm of Frontier, storytelling of Frontier 2 and the freedom and non linearity of RomaSaGa 2, and Kobayashi doing the design with Ito/Hamauzu doing the OST.

That would be literally the perfect Jrpg.
>>2091360
She's a strong woman with a sense of duty and adventure, a dere side and a great design, what's not to love?
She and Harid are the best MCs of RomaSaGa 3, Ellen and Thomas are close second place for me.

>>2091331
Weird because Shinon is always on map in Bokuno

Can't say which hack is better, I think both have their good sides. But for gameplay is definitely aabeta. Some features that are in aabeta and not bokuno: detailed weapons, combo, pursuit (after combo attack), position change during fight, separate evades menu, mode change, SF2 Roles, LP Break, LP consumption (you can use stuff even if you have 0 wp), Skills, Classes, T260G/Riki mechanics, custom icon for every item (not gameplay but it's a nice thing). aabeta is pretty harsh at times, one event failed and it will release the chain of terminated events. And it's much easier to fail event in aabeta than bokuno. If you want to actually finish aabeta, you need the best items in game. Also more items are rare drop/steal only from bosses and of course you can only know this from wiki.

>>2091394
Screw that, Shinon is always there only if you start new game+ and you are playing for first time, my fail.

>>2091394
I'm not that far in Bokuno, so it'll be pretty easy to change over.

Since the event focused nature of Bokuno isn't really that big of a deal to me due to me not being able to read that much Japanese.

>>2091276
I think it would be a good idea to make a mini FAQ for the aabeta/bokuno patches.

Never bothered with Riki, let's check out his forms. Pic is Rasetsu

>>2091486
Not sure what to write here.

So how do you recruit Esper?

I always liked them in the classic games.

Got the werewolf form

>>2091672
which game?

>>2091684
aabeta since that's the one that i'm going to play

>>2091656
Solutions to common problems
Major missables
A general overview
Maybe a character + location list if you're so inclined

Did the hack update any enemy sprites? Boss sprites in particular?

Monster are too strong and I can't get any more lower forms so I'm trying to get better forms now. Now got Alva

>>2091691
One is in Pidona, other in Podol

>>2091702
I will probably start tomorrow but since I'm super lazy this will probably take days.

>>2091707
Not really, only characters I think

>>2091684
wait wait wait

are you telling me Coon can turn into Kevin from SD3 in this hack?

is the form actually like end-game good? can you lose it by accident and not get it back?

On the subject of RS3.

I last played it years ago and don't remember too much of it (which is great for replay value I suppose).

I wanted to ask, what was the destroyer again? The force of death that occurs every 300 years?

I got this March(?) form. Looks like best tank form.

>>2091751
It's lower form so it's not end game good. And you can lose it if you are not careful and delete the tech that's necessary for this form.

>>2091768
I think it was some sort of embodiment of destruction and chaos created as an antithesis to the bloated creative force of human civilization, made up of all the world's frustration and and suffering or some such

which is funny because there is clearly like 50x times as many monsters as people in this world

>>2091774
Mariche is a Saga Frontier form that you get when you collect all four gaze attacks. It doesn't have the best inherent defense statistics or a built in shield, but it has the highest overall stat-total.

The only other forms you might consider having are Black Dragon, Dullahan, and Griffon Jr. I believe.

but I don't know how it works in this hack

also, that's a shame about the werewolf form seems like it would have been fun if it went somewhere and you could learn moonscraper or something

>>2091776
Why did the lone survivor of the eclipse have to be sacrificed/enter the abyss though?

>>2091794
there were two survivors, one embodying light and one embodying darkness

Got Lizardman by accident

>>2091795
Weren't devil king and holy king lone survivors? Pretty sure they were 300 years apart.

Another stronger form

Teacher form. But he doesn't have flare, weird.

Aref form. I'm not impressed.

Red Mage form. Now only the strongest form are left.

>>2091860
Isn't that a minion of Saruin?

And the first strongest form, Devil King. Out of 5 techs required, one is from Orlogue and one is from Devil King obviously.

>>2091865
I think red mage sprite was used because they didn't have the saruin minion world sprite.

Katarina or Ellen?

Dragoon form. 5 techs, one is from True Byunei, other one is from Lich disciple.

>>2091910
Katarina

Gwayne form. One requirement is from Gwayne/Megalith Beast

>>2091912
is that supposed to be Dragon Knight?

>>2091949
龍騎士 so yes

Second to last one is.. Destroyer?!

>>2091990
Forgot the requirements. Noel, Amulamut, Schirach, Lich, Destroyer

>>2091990
wao

hard to top that

>>2092003
Last form is probably something silly or cute. In best JRPG manner.

Last one is motherfucking Saruin. Look at this sprite man

>>2092012
I was wrong. But I'm glad.

>>2092012
thats kind of lame

Saruin is such a punk

>It's possible to instantly experience NG+ features in Bokuno with a cheat

I wish I knew that earlier.

>>2092030
Yeah, not sure if you wanted that though.

>>2092032
Is there anything major that I'm missing?

>>2092038
In bokuno? Let's see, Darque, boss house (easy grind spark money and treasure maps), auction house, friend teleport, saiva. There's probably more but they are not major.

Did I miss a music patch or something? I get glitchy sound in some areas.

>>2092094
No idea. I'm using snes9x 1.51 and have 0 sound problems. Can you detail the sound? is this the music or sound effects like clicks?

>>2092118
Some songs like SF Battle 1 produces weird sound effects while the rest of the song is perfectly fine.

>>2092123
Well, I have changed snes9x sound settings to make it sound like utter shit but I don't think you did that. I'm going to sleep now, will try to think something about it tomorrow.

>Get to the end of T240G's chapter
>MEC God shows up, he's actually incredibly weak.
>Deals about 20-40 damage per attack to my party, most attacks are evaded with bullet/missile/etc evade.
>Suddenly, Magnetic Storm deals 800 damage to each of my guys.

Does that have an element I can block with it? I'm dealing ~10k damage per turn, but I can't seem to win before that happens.

>>2092159
Does it happen on a specific turn/damage threshold? Can you defend it? Standard strategies are using regenerations to keep your HP near max and using Reviva or Shadow Servant or Dragon Riser to soak the deathblow, you might also be able to reduce the damage with enough defense. In Saga Frontier terms I believe it was an Electric/Force spell, though a slash/blunt/cold aspect is possible.

Try decreasing his Int/Wil throughout the battle instead of just trying to blitz him as well.

>>2092174
I'll look into that, I don't have a manual so I don't know what any of the stats do specifically. I've just been hyperblasting my way through everything.

So is Liz any good?

>>2092174
Magnetic Storm is Electric / Force, yes.

Here's some armor with noteworthy defense against Electric and Force, and how much defense against them they'll give you. Though I don't know what you have or can get, right now.

(Electric Def / Force Def)

Shade Robe (24 / 24)
Master Robe (25 / 25)
Stardust Robe (51 / 26)
Celestial Leather (34 / 24)
Harmonium Armor (20 / 40)
Electro Armor (35 / 35)

Cyber Suit (21 / 21)
Rubber Suit (52 / 12)
Powered Suit (30 / 30)

Mysticwear (21 / 21)
Harmonium Bangle (27 / 27)
Rubber Shoes (25 / 2)
Wind Shell (15 / 25)
Bolt Crystal (25 / 1)
Thunder Charm (1 / 100)

All mec bodies are pretty weak against Magnetic Storm, because it plays off of their naturally low Electric and Force stats. Most mec bodies have their defense values set at:
Slash: 10
Blunt: 10
Pierce: 15
Fire: 10
Ice: 10
Electric: 5
Force: 5

...except for the Fort Body, which has 20 / 20 / 30 / 20 / 20 / 5 / 5.

>>2092206
That's very helpful, I didn't know armor had specific resists beyond if it said "resistant to fire/ice/lightning".

Is Harid the best swordsman in RS3?

Is he better with True Kamsheen or True Seven Star? Or Dragonscale Sword?

>>2092316
Yep, the game is pretty misleading about it, because the "Defense" value displayed in the menu is actually just the item's Slash-type defense rating. Even items with low displayed Defense can have really high resistances to other attributes.

http://globe90.tripod.com/sfarmor.html

Here's a list that covers all the different defense attributes. Also, keep in mind that the Thunder Charm is supposed to have 100 Electric resist, but due to a bug, has 100 Force resist instead. This is arguably better, because the majority of spells that don't fall under Fire / Ice / Elec are Force-based.

>>2092393
Oh, I forgot to mention...

In the case of attacks that have more than one attribute (like Magnetic Storm's Elec/Force, mentioned earlier) or combo attacks involving multiple attributes, the game checks for the lowest defense value among those attributes.

So, if you've got 5 Elec defense and 100 Force defense, Magnetic Storm's going to hit really damn hard, because it's only checking the lowest defense rating of the two.

Man you guys weren't kidding about Ifrit being an easy way of sparking techs.

I managed to spark enough spells to last me a while such as pic related. Not so lucky on the physical skills since the fire counter kept killing people.

Next task is to decide whether or not to keep Liz or get rid of her for Blue.

Here's a screenshot of T260G type 1 form (type 0 is default). this form seems more magic oriented with its high intel. default has high strength instead.

so if I play aabeta can I have the best all girls team with Katrina, Asellus, Liza, Cordelia, Meythia, and T260G

>>2092886
Yeah, >>2090195 lists all the characters that appear in aabeta.

>>2092189
Esper was nerfed, but she is still super good with Esper magic. Blue has higher INT (especially after fusion event).

>>2092515
Yeah, self burning is super annoying. Next good stop with learning is magic dragon (you need earthquake evade for that).
Maybe go for Blue because everyone uses Esper.

>>2092886
>>2092891
I think Liza need additional patch in aabeta, let me check.

Works with my aabeta, but I don't remember watch additional patches were added.

>>2092898
what*

>>2092894
WELL

I guess I could sub in Miriam or Ginny or Labelle for a mage

actually SF2 characters get different magic sets right? is that good or bad usually?

what about Blouge, do they get access to all magic?

>>2092905
SF2 people can't use sun/moon and roles are only in aabeta. No sun/moon means that they can't use every combination magic. Blouge can use every magic but I'm not sure if you can do it before fusion event.

>>2092927
I think I might be cool with a non all-female team then

cause Katrina/Cordelia/Asellus/Red/Rouge/T260G sounds pretty rockin

maybe drop T260G for Meythia

idk

how good actually is she (the robot) in this game?

>>2093017
from what I understand from playing a bit, for mecs in aabeta, equipment gives abilities and not stat increasements. I could be wrong though. most of T260G forms are also locked, only the first three (0-2) are unlocked.

>>2091656
>Not sure what to write here.
This>>2091702, if I may add something a suggestion for an easy Patch program since there are also people new to emulation and patching, if you want I can help you with the FAQ, even if you write a raw draft I'll help with the rest, I'm already writing a general FAQ for people new to SaGa, if I get enough free time it will be done in about a week.


>>2092159
Mech God is a chump but Magnetic Storm will devastate your mechs if you didn't set up a good defense, Electro armors are your best friend here, be forewarned that the final boss can and will abuse Magnetic Storm if you're unlucky enough to get into the wrong Virtual Shift, I'd also reccomend you to get some nice abilities for your mechs in the last dungeon if you haven't already, things like Maxwell Program or Plural Slash so to speak, they help a lot.

>>2093045
Yeah i will post other forms later when I get home
>>2093054
Thanks i will probably start today later or tomorrow

What do the additional patches that come with Bokuno do anyway?

>>2092894
I'll pick up Blue shortly, I should be ready to take on the East now since I have about 300 HP on everyone.

Also, how do you unlock the room with the guy that has the Thunder Magi?

And I'm back. Today is T260G. I have to use my old save though.

Type 1 was posted earlier, so here's type 2. Gets +20 to def except Thunder def.

>>2093129
I wonder too. I will google translate readme file after posting T260G forms.

>>2093154
You have to do 2 bussiness game missions (This is so annoying after you play the hack for some time, I always cheat this).

T260G's final boss had the best theme.

Prove me wrong.

>>2093265
Man with supreme taste/10

>Dat Intro
>Dem SFX effects supporting the first seconds perfectly
>NO FUTURE

Type 3. Gets the default def boost (+10 except thunder/electric)

>>2093265
Can't disagree with this one.

To unlock the rest you have to seal 4 abyss gates I think.
Type 4. This one is SUPER fast. Also from now the types have build in techs. I will post in next post. Also the mecha is actually Falguen from Dragonar.

>>2093264
Does the normal cheats work with the patch for this mini-game?

>>2093285
>Also the mecha is actually Falguen from Dragonar.
Oh god, guess Layzner references wasn't enough.

My internet died.
>>2093285
Forgot that it has no def boost, and gets -10 to thunder/electric def.

>>2093302
They should work. I remember using the max funds in business minigame so I can buy anything instantly and get over it.

Type 5. It's Arbalest from Full Metal Panic! +20 to def.

Type 6, the glass canon type. It's a mecha musume Jehuty? not sure.

Type 7, the last one. Probably most balanced one. Gets default def boots (+10), also it can use sword spam and Cosmic Rave.

>>2093326
Forgot that there's no def boost.

>>2093264
I think I'll opt for cheating, I never liked the business game.

webm because why not.

>>2093285
>>2093302
These mecha references are a nice touch. Shame it's not that Falguen MAFFU, but I guess that'd be kind of impossible to pull off with such a small sprite.

>>2093326
I think it is I mean kinda looks like it.

Here's a good one, which game has the best random encounter theme?

>>2093676
Hard to beat Frontier's

>>2093676
Of the ones I've played...
1. Minstrel Song
2. Unlimited SaGa
3. Romancing SaGa 2
4. SaGa Frontier
5. SaGa Frontier 2 (Feldschlacht I and II were my favorites of the four battle themes)
6. Romancing SaGa
7. Romancing SaGa 3

...and even then, I still liked RS3's battle theme. Just not as much as the others.

>>2089641
>literally

People need to start understanding what this word means. Lets put this shit to rest for fucks sakes.

>>2093716
While I agree I think that a thread for a rather obscure series in a genre with a very specific audience, and on one of 4chan's slowest moving boards, is a bad place to educate people about the incorrect use said term.

>>2093716
the linguistic drift from the norm by the majority of people speaking the language is actually a valid reason to redefine the meaning of a word in most cases.

so you know, yes they're ignorant, but if the it's majority of them that use it that way you're still the one who's wrong and you can shut up

>>2093676
Unlimited Saga>Saga Frontier 2>Saga Frontier>Minstrel Song>RS3

A better, more impossible to answer question is which is the best boss battle music

>>2094021
>Best boss music
>In the SaGa series

We're going to need an assembly hall and about two weeks of free time to make that decision.

>>2094021

>best boss music

Probably saga frontier 1, just for the sheer amount of different themes it has, all of them good.

>>2094035
Five boss themes and seven final boss themes, right?

>>2094021
>A better, more impossible to answer question is which is the best boss battle music
Shit man that would take days to figure out.

>Saruin Minion
>The only way to damage him is to cast magic
>The magic woman took away one of my main mages before the fight

Oh boy

>>2094051
Are you sure it's not Soulgutter?

>>2094035
>>2094040

You both saw it coming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgewJQqw_F0

>>2094054
Oh yeah its Soulgutter, made a mistake.

I don't have to beat him right?

>>2094061
You have to defeat both, and If you didn't talk to weird black guy in mungu village then he has like 30k hp.

>>2094063
Oh boy, I really wished that she took away Red instead.

>>2094067
She will always take the one with highest int in your team.

>>2094069
That's weird because Ginny had less Int than Esper

Why is Blue on the cover of SF1?

He's a jerk.
He's not cool.
He's not even thebest protagonist.

>>2094076
Because fuck if I know the original Jap cover had the title in front and everyone else in the background.

I guess because reasons I would have preferred Red but hey what can you do.

>>2094091
I can always complain!

Okay managed to beat Soulgutter, it wasn't bad but man Katarina was useless in that fact.

She really needs to start sparking techs again.

>>2094095
Compared to the other boss he was a piece of cake. Great boss battle theme even with the music glitches though.

Being one step closer to getting Blue makes me happy.

How many games have been inspired by the series? I've seen few games like it.

>>2094074
Huh, I always thought it was highest. Well, whatever.

>>2094120
Oh, those sound giltches. What emulator and version do you have?

Someone asked what those patches in bokuno folder do. I think they are small fixes done in bokuno that can be applied to aabeta.

>>2094206
SNES 9x 1.53

>>2094261
I'm using 1.51 with no problems. You can also try uosnes emulator.

Man Blue has a lot of base HP, that's what I get for picking him up early.

Probably going to replace Red's moon magic with sun so I can even out my magic distribution.

>>2094384
You don't want that sweet Shadow Servant?

>>2094421
I have a couple people on moon magic already.

I'll end up proccing it eventually. Then again that's what I said about lance techs stronger than Aiming/Charge.

>>2094508
So how I do get over that Charm tech? I assume there's an evade skill for it but that's pretty rng based to unlock and I have terrible luck with that in this run.

>>2094538
Never mind, I won the battle after a really close call with a charmed Blue.

Just have to get any quests that require me to not see any Abyss Gates out of the way.

How do you get Gustave?

>>2094660
not the same anon but also, how worthwhile is he as a character that probably can't use any magic? does he have rockin stats or something to make up for it?

Of course I was dreaming about rs3 hack.

>>2094508
>proccing
It's a combination spell

>>2094538
Yes, you can learn feromon evade.

>>2094550
Now that you have done it you should also talk to the old man above muse house so you can get over the stupid " before 512 hp" thing. The other 512 hp event is Asellus but you need dream gem for that

>>2094660
Find young Gustave in one of the pub event caves, then you go to Fire Palace and talk with Gustave so you fight him. Then you will get Gustave Sword

>>2094696
In bokuno he dies in that event later so you don't want to use him. But in aabeta? Definitely top tier. Gustave Sword is super strong, get's natural magical def boost, special class, a combination role(!) and since he can't use magic you can make him spam holy grail heal for 2 LP.

>>2095071
Gustave dying permanently is a real turn off in bokuno since he's one of my favorite characters.

I could always start over on aabeta but then i'd have to redo a few days worth of gameplay.

How do you get the Dream Gem?

>>2095227
In aaBeta for recruiting Asellus? It's in Muse's Dream, but you had to do a stupid meta trick by sending it to your stash while you're still in Muse's dream, which will then somehow send it into the real world, because otherwise it will be removed from your inventory once that quest is complete

>>2095250
Well that's dumb.

I wasn't going to keep her but its still rather silly. I did everything right up to the Dream Gem part since I had finished Muse's Dream and didn't know about the trick.

Might as well just take her out of my team and continue on with the hack.

1. I defeated both Volcano and Undine in Vanguard. But I read somewhere that I need the water mages for a quest, did I screw myself out of it?

2. How do I recruit the pirate guy at Great Arc?

3. Is there a way into the fairy village? I'm hesitant to return to that monster infested jungle again.

Also, Is the RS2 Eng Tranlation good enough to play through?

>>2095339
>RS2 Eng Tranlation
There isn't one yet. AFAIK the only thing that came out was a "demo" of the first area many years ago. Even though the translation is allegedly finished, we're still waiting on a release.

>>2095348
I've also started playing Saga and picking Riki's route. How should I earn more cash?

Would you play a 3D-Saga game in the style of those western rpgs like Fallout and Elder Scrolls?

>>2095356
>Would you play a 3D-Saga game in the style of those western rpgs like Fallout and Elder Scrolls?
What does that even mean? SaGa is defined by turn-based encounters. A first-person open world RPG would not be SaGa.

>>2095369
It is already a free-roaming RPG, why not take it further?

The battle would still be turn-based but you'll now have to contend with moving and positioning your characters in a 3d environment, considering the distance between themselves, their allies and their enemies in order to attack or use skills and magics.

>>2095383
You're confusing free-roaming with non-linear. Also the importance of formations and party positioning is already a thing in the series, so I don't know what you're talking about. If you wanted to expand SaGa's key concepts into another genre, the next logical step would be a tactical RPG. You're trying to mix and match things that would cause SaGa to lose its identity; the resulting game would have no reason to be called SaGa.

Some questions

I saw that Gustave is in a Pidona pub quest but I can't unlock that one. The Kelvin quest is already cleared.

Where do you go to get Night Hunter after the Alexei quest?

How exactly do you get the Arcane spells from SF1?

>>2095402
You could turn SaGa into a real-time squad based Tactical RPG with monsters appearing directly on the field. Imagine that you would move your entire team in formation based on the leader's position, and would have both auto battle based controls and fixed preplanned attack and defensive patterns that you would queue up to initiate combos or fill common strategies.

Like think of instead of making every character use reviva and shadow servant or whatever, just press L2, instead of having everyone heal and recover statuses, press R2, then the fastest character heals the one with the lowest HP, next character keeps healing or removes status effects, then when your hp is high enough and everyone has regen, it defaults back to the attack pattern set, which is itself customized to automatically try to use your best combo or techs to match the type and weakness of the enemy. Press select, bring up the quick formation menu and reshape it on the fly.

It wouldn't be like all the other SaGa games but that's okay because it would be better.

>>2095426
But that's basically what The Last Remnant was, which is spiritually a SaGa game.

>>2095462
I don't play modern games.

>>2095462
I'd like JRPGs that let me use the entire party. It doesn't make sense that your your backup isn't even helping.

>>2095426
4 groups 1 group=6 Characters

Each of the groups have many formations like 3 front/1 rear 1 front/4 rear etc. You could also customize those groups in anyway you want. A melee/tank group. a long range group, a pure magic group or just mixing them up.

Should be usable in the classic 2d plane

>>2095250
>>2095250
You just send the item to the warehouse. You can do that anytime.

>>2095403
I don't remember any conditions for that pub quest. It should be avaible from the start. Do you have a screen of what you can choose?
Night Hunter is before battle with Egg.
You get Arcana Taro after final battle with Seven Heroes.

http://ux.getuploader.com/romancingsaga312/download/5/%E3%81%82%E3%81%82%CE%B2.zip

ok idk wtf I'm doing why are there like 50 ips files in here

>>2095643
The one with big size is main hack, the rest are small additional patches. I recommend some of them though.

>>2095646
what if I just add all of them? is there a tool that makes it easy to add multiple patches? does sequence matter particularly?

>>2095658
>what if I just add all of them?
Your game will crash instantly or very quickly.
>is there a tool that makes it easy to add multiple patches?
I don't know, Lunar IPS is enough for me.
>does sequence matter particularly?
Pretty much.

I should write about this soon. This will be probably start to hack guide/faq.

>>2095680
yeah, my bumbling skills with the moon runes aren't particularly gonna make it worthwhile to switch my locale to japanese and be able to read these filenames and fumble through hoping to figure out the proper order from google translate readmes and shit

actually if you could put together a decent compilation patch by doing them in the appropriate order and adding as much content as possible, then creating a new patch out of that, it would probably be pretty cool man

something we could use as a base for translation efforts especially would be bretty gud

>>2095683
Good idea. I think I have version where I have applied those in pic. I didn't play it enough to see if everything works (only halfway).

>>2095687
Also I have version with these.

I have decided. I will experiment with patches for now and see if I can get stuff from both pics above working.

>>2095572
That's all I get.

How do you get more WP for Commander Mode?

Looks like it's working, but I only played a few mins.
This is aabeta with additional patches
Only 3 skills removed, classes should be working, some bokuno fixes, additional bgm, and other small stuff. If people here agree on suggestion to make one patch with this stuff then I will do it right away. There's no guarantee that this is 100% playable.

>>2095812
Maximus event started, he will stop saying that after you finish event.

>>2096010
I thought that you couldn't trigger Maximus event until when you picked up Black unless I'm mixing that up for something else?

>>2096116
It starts after you clear Dream Devil event

>>2096118
Oh I see, might as well just run through that one then.

It should be doable since I just beat Dantag. This is also probably a good time to start investing in secondary weapons as well.

>>2096126
Remember to equip Masquerade on Katalina last weapons slot after you get it.

Well this is a treat, I didn't expect Battle 3 to play here.

The boss battle itself is pretty rough though, easily the hardest thing that I've fought in a while. Still haven't beaten it as yet.

Man I don't really get the Business Minigame and there's no more time to leave it lying around since I have to get the Thunder Magi.

>>2096392
I actually like the business minigame and ended up doing it ASAP whenever I play

its one of the most interesting parts of the game

>Get forced to use a barely equipped Herman in the Maximus fight

What a pain in the ass, especially since this isn't vanilla where it was pretty easy.

>>2096245
Probably the water techs, they are annoying. Also funny fact, Esper can instakill it.

>>2096392
Did you cheat?

>>2096820
Nah, I did the Thunder Magi thing the hard way. Just finished beating Gustave.

>>2095356
SaGa frontier is incredibly broken in terms of getting cash.

Talk to junk shop owner in scrap. Buy items, then choose to sell and select and confirm selling of Hyperion bazooka, and then check the scrap pile to find that you have 7 choices, as long as you do not leave the shop, you can repeat that. Sell the swords you find in the shop at Nakajimas.

Get 15K credits and buy Gold Ingots at Nelson at a fixed price, Go to Koorong and into the Ingot seller (the building just outside of the port). Choose sell, press down 'till you have no more Ingots left and then go back up to 30.
Notice the rise in price. When you press down 'till it hits zero again, you'll see that he's offering you a price almost twice the amount you should actually be getting. Confirm to sell and repeat the process. The max Ingots you should sell is 52, and if you do this trick by selling more than that amount of ingots, you'd still
end up with the same amount you should be getting with 52 ingots

If you want the best purchasable weapons in the game, there is a manhole in Koorong that has shops with exceptionally high quality weapons and equipment. They sell Zero Swords, Lethal Guns, and PoweredSuits.

>>2097130
The sad thing is, there's no legit way of getting cash easily in SaGa Frontier. You either have to resort to exploits, or grind grind grind grind, and that only gives you decent money at a high battle rank.

What's this guy doing in the middle of a random treasure chest?

I didn't last too long in the fight since my defensive equipment aren't that great.

>>2097219
yes there is you're just not good enough.

whenever I play I have all the cash I need without using any exploit. Don't even need to fight a single battle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-Ke9QnjYlg

DAT THEME

How does the treasure sidequest in aabeta/bokuno work?

Is it one treasure at a time or all of them at once? Because if its the former, then I can't remember where that treasure is.

http://pastebin.com/QeD1BR5q
I have only started, will probably start on some system changes today later.

>>2097241
Galatea in necessary for Devil King event.

>>2097385
Do you mean SaGa 2 treasures?

>>2097414
Yeah the SaGa 2 ones, I just got the Agility Magi.

Also, how much longer do I have to wait to pick up the Mirsa Sword and Brimsalas? Those are the only stat up items where I don't know where I'm supposed to pick them up.

Also, I have to get every 12/13 JP spell for the Blue quest right?

>>2096010
if you can make a decent consolidated patch we can start up a translation wiki or something and get the menus and item/ability/character names translated pretty quickly, making the game much more playable for people

I don't know how to wiki but I would learn if it would help get this stuff happening

>>2097463
I think the first way to go about it would be to translate what each patch that comes with the big download does.

Was this defense screen in original? I don't even remember.

>>2097427
You will get treasures as game progresses, there's 12 I think. You have this mirror, it will tell you how much you need to collect. In bokuno you have to talk to Kai so she will tell you the amount. Do you want specific locations in bokuno?

>>2097427
>Mirsa Sword
Very late in game, after you beat Mirsa
>Brimsalas
Rare drop in earthworm event (so you will need to savescum), or 3rd Zweig Tournament but that's late.
>Blue quest
I think in Bokuno you only need half of them mastered (焼殺(Killing Burn)or天雷(Thunderstrike)・黒龍撃(Black Dragon)or超重力(Super Gravity)・コメットフォール(Comet Fall)orシャドウフレア(Shadow Flare))

>>2097463
I have put aabeta patched in pastebin if that's what you are talking about.

http://pastebin.com/QeD1BR5q
added some system changes, will add aabeta ones later or tomorrow

>>2097592
What's a good place to proc some of those spells?

Nothing that I've come across has a high enough flash level or has some annoying gimmick that makes it hard to grind on one.

>>2097893
You won't get them until later in game because they have super hard difficulty (42). Even on strongest monsters you can meet it will take a while. What's your HP anyway?

>>2097895
680 or so and I'm really feeling the sting since I don't have particularly good defensive equipment

>>2097981
Oh, so you can try the ants in earthworm hole. But if you fight them, you can't sleep in Pidona.

>>2097990
What about Leviathan is it NG+ only?

>Looking for the Earth Lord
>End up fighting Byunei with Gwayne since I went down the wrong dungeon by accident

>>2098026
If you can fight him, then sure.

>>2095426
>You could turn SaGa into a real-time squad based Tactical RPG with monsters appearing directly on the field.
That's TLR
and would have both auto battle based controls and fixed preplanned attack and defensive patterns that you would queue up to initiate combos or fill common strategies.
That's exactly what I didn't like about TLR, too little control on the fight, it was just like RomaSaGa 3 Commander mode, but at least in Sarah's playthrough you can issue both type of commands even in Commander mode during the last fight, so you have a much better degree of control.
> automatically try to use your best combo or techs to match the type and weakness of the enemy.
Nah, that's easy modo shit that doesn't belong in SaGa.
>but that's okay because it would be better.
Not really, most people who played SaGa didn't really like TLR's battle system mainly because of the aforementioned reasons, too little control and not enough focus on the metagame, TLR was technically a great JRPG but even as a spiritual successor to SaGa it's nowhere near as deep and fun to exploit.
That said, I hope you get something like that Anon, who knows, maybe the new SaGa game will have those features.

>>2097814
You did a great work Anon, I'm also almost done with the general FAQ, I'll have to add a bit more info about how certain stats work and it will be ready, if I get enough free time it will be done around Wednesday I think.

>>2098964
Thanks, it's not finished but I already wanted anons to take a look.

I wish someone would remake Romancing Saga 25 with RS3 graphics. Not hack RS2 INTO RS3, but a complete visual upgrade with all of RS2's contents. Maybe even translated.

>>2097219
The ruins in Shingrow can get you started a legitimate way, but without doing the ingot quest still, doing things like the Gold Tarot quest are a pin in the ass to do, especially if you also want to buy things.

>>2097814
added some aabeta stuff

>>2098964
Adding a specific menu for inputting specific strategies during battle would not be a big deal. I'm sure you could have boss fights or specific enemy formations that require a greater degree of control, but even most of a SaGa game isn't what you said, it's mostly spamming the same attacks over and over through countless battles attempting to finish them as fast as possible while using different attacks only to spark new waza or grind certain stats.

Automating that sort of shit outside of battle and only having to use a greater degree of control during tougher more focused fights would be a great improvement, especially for those of us who don't actually want to spend a shitload of time grinding.

You could even build a metagame on top of that about managing resources like WP/JP/LP and weapon durability while attempting to quickly chain fights on the battlefield to increase rewards. Maybe even have special encounters with stronger enemies available if you chain enough battles quickly enough, something like Abyss Bat done right

>>2099410
I never finish the Arcane quest.

Aside from Magician, Runes are just so much more useful. I only start Arcane to go to Wakatu and the Mosperiburg mountain area.

>>2099470
Yeah the Runes are fairly useful. I usually go 40/60 Arcane/Rune though for most characters because getting sidetracked by Tanzer used to annoy the hell out of me when I was younger. I never really had much trouble with status effects most of the time, so Magician card was usually better.

What's the point of spending hours leveling up a weapon/magic skill in RS3 when you can easily get a party member that's already very good with said weapon/magic?

>>2099612
Stats and it might be useful to double up on some elements.

>>2099416
I want to be her enchanted thrall and kiss her feet like a slave

i-is that weird

>>2099465
>Adding a specific menu for inputting specific strategies during battle would not be a big deal.
I don't know about that, the thing I like about SaGa is that it's something like full manual input, no tips or suggestions whatsoever and the fact that you have to make your strategies on the fly.
> it's mostly spamming the same attacks over and over through countless battles attempting to finish them as fast as possible while using different attacks only to spark new waza or grind certain stats.
I don't agree with this, first of all because what you said is basically what happens once you're gone full meta and you know what does what and what Waza sparks the best high tier Waza, grinding stats is a remnant of the old SaGa games on GB and I wish it will never appear again as a mechanic because it promotes grinding.
> especially for those of us who don't actually want to spend a shitload of time grinding.
The only time I spend grinding is for getting items such as Magic Tablets or specific rare drops in RomaSaGa 2, there's no need to grind at all if you know what you're doing unless you want to take on 10 fatestone Saruin or want to do a solo run and that takes us back to playing metagame again.
>You could even build a metagame on top of that about managing resources like WP/JP/LP and weapon durability while attempting to quickly chain fights on the battlefield to increase rewards
Well, MinSon tried that and I must admit it's not a bad idea, though it should be focused on item drops more than anything else imho.
>Maybe even have special encounters with stronger enemies available if you chain enough battles quickly enough, something like Abyss Bat done right
Again, MinSon and Unlimited already did that to a degree.
Abyss Bat is a bullshit boss though, kinda like awakened Jewel Beast, but at least you can cheese the latter in a lot of ways instead of only having to use Overdrive or grind HP like mad.
>>2099612
Cheesing bosses through superior firepower.

>>2100121
Not really, sucks that you're not a moe vampire princess though so she'll never let you do anything more than that.

>You'll never bury your face in those thick thighs and ass

Is it possible to patch out the character modes in aabeta and get rid of that puke green Julian sprite?

>>2100914
dammit where are those cards from? the art is always so nice

What's the easiest way to unlock Stanley in RS3 if you already won the war game with Farce?

Just started playing RS3 a few days ago. Before this I'd only played SF 1and 2 and Unlimited Saga, all of which I enjoy alot despite smoke of them (Unlimited Saga mainly) being hard as fuck.

Just wondering if there is one character in RS3 that generally is considered having the best story, or which is your guys favorite? Im currently playing through Mikhail and Katarinas stories.

>>2101159
Most people like Katarina and Harid. Ellen's another popular choice.

will playing saga frontier ruin the final fantasy legends games for me because of improved mechanics // story spoilers?

>>2101187
I put a link in the OP pastebin for those, look it up.
>>2101159
Harid, Katarina and Ellen are the most appreciated mains in the western community, Japan also likes Julian and Monica because that's the romancing part in 3.
>>2101071
Nah, go play Frontier without worries, if you like crazy stuff you'll love it.

Hmm Primiera or Hawke?

>>2101068
I don't mind puke green but last time I tried my game crashed. I will try again today with Rs3ExTool2.

I can't decide whether to make Bai Mei Niang sound like an offensively stereotypical old Asian lady or a chain smoking granny with a gambling problem.

>>2101904
you say that like there's a difference

>>2101936
It's a subtle one

I really wish those Earthworms would drop the Brimsalas, but that's 1/16 chances for you.

>>2102132
just save-scum it

SaGa drop rates have always been complete bullshit

>>2102140
Well that's what I'm doing, but no luck so far. I stopped to go do other quests and stuff.

I also lucked out and sparked Killing Burn long before Blue so that's a good thing for me.

>>2102381
you need to save on the last turn and try selecting different commands in RS3 instead of just changing the timing of the end of the battle
if you're having no luck, wasting a turn and trying to finish on the next works better, if you keep going and wasting turns and checking the results you'll get it eventually.

>>2102381
Actually this drops after battle, are you sure you are doing it like that?

What tips would you suggest newcomers to the Saga series?

They'll probably be overwhelmed by the unusual level mechanic and the freedom of going anywhere they want.

>>2102671
Also it drops from the green one and you only meet it one time.

>>2101904
I'd say you try to get some balance, she's more grumpy old lady when she speaks with other characters such as Linlin, when she patronizes her and Yuan Fan since she calls him an idiot all the time, though now that I think about it she does call everyone idiot...
She gets the smoking granny part later in the game though, around the time you can recruit her and the final battle draws near iirc.
But yeah, it's hard, she reminds me a lot of the classic landlady/Okami stereotype.
>>2102682
I'm working on an extensive FAQ for beginners to put in the OP but it won't be ready until Tomorrow, I had less free time than I'd thought these days.

I mainly explained general mechanics such as Sparking, Battle Rank and how stats and Waza/Magic work in the game.
I also added info on unique maingame mechanics such as Reels, how Monster symbols and families work and general progression in the game.

I think it's shaping up well, tomorrow you'll be able to read it and give me suggestions on things to fix or add.

>>2102671
I've tried that battle many times and no luck.

>>2103013
Well, I thought maybe it will be easy from Zweig Tournament. And then I couldn't get it after 100 different items. There might be something horribly wrong with this. Maybe upload a save and I will check it out.

>>2103037
I'll try it some more times and if I don't get it, then I'll upload the save.

Answer this question, if you're so tough:

In the entire SaGa franchise, who is your favorite final boss?

And why?

>>2102792
>Waza/Magic
>Magic
>not Jutsu

You're hurting me in the weeaboos

>>2103392
Genocide Heart. Everything about that battle was awesome.

>>2103392
Maybe Metal Black or the Egg

Metal Black was a really good and intimidating rival to Red in his quest, a cold calculating machine with a philosophical bent to him, an antithesis to Red's passion and sense of justice.

His whole quest has a real Go Nagai feel to it that I really liked.

The Egg almost has an Eldritch horror thing going on to it that I honestly think the series needs more of, other enemies are always too human or more like forces of nature, an enemy that is in too many ways -neither- is quite interesting.

Genocide Heart is pretty good but it's really a cut and dry ancient weapon of methodical destruction, it makes the perfect ultimate enemy for a heroic robot, but its not really -that- interesting.

>>2102686
Is the drop randomized at the end of the fight or at the start?

>>2103392
Arsenal.

I know it's probably a bit lame, but it was the first final boss of the first rpg I owned myself, so I still have nostalgia from those childhood memories of imagining my party fighting this super powered death machine. I also like the sense of urgency since the world is literally falling apart and the only thing standing in your way is this haywire security system. It also plays a nice contrast with just about all the other bosses in the game. Before you had been fighting supposed gods but the last major enemy is anything but. It's just a killing machine from a gone-by era and it absolutely FIRES THE SMASHER pounds on your team. I also liked the remake interpretation, even if it having humanoid forms was a bit cheesy.

The Egg was also pretty interesting and even frightening for what it was. I still remember getting a bit of a shiver when it turned those poor saps into slimes. I like how it played a contrast to Gustav in the story, despite the two never actually meeting.

Man this earthworm thing is getting really annoying now, if i don't get the staff in the next 2 or so tries, i'm just going to suck it up and wait until the 3rd Tournament.

>>2104106
Third tournament it is. They really should have made the Brimsalas easier to get.

>>2103037
I remember seeing a hack where the creator was a possible party member, not sure which one though; any ideas?

How do you quick send items to the storage in RS3?

I'm getting tired of Bokuno and I want to try out one of SaGa 2 or RS2, which one should I play?

>>2104324
SaGa Frontier 2 is really good

>>2104106
>>2104201
Maybe you really should upload the save. And I already tried from tournament (over 100 items and no staff). There might be something wrong with the information so I really want to check it out without starting the game over.

>>2104239
I only remember it from this super old video. Or custom patched.

>>2104323
You just drop items

OP here, unfortunately I didn't have much luck at work so not as much freetime as I needed to properly finish the FAQ, I'm afraid it'll take a bit longer for the definitive version.

http://pastebin.com/kRbSg6PG

Tell me what you think, I'm sure I forgot something and made a few mistakes here and there.
Consider that the part regarding Stats is still not 100% done.

I'll be lurking in the thread, thanks in advance for your help.

>>2104815
Thanks anyways, I just like the idea of enemy bosses that can be recruited. It'd be neat if bokuno updated and you could someone like Metal Black.

>>2104332
I already finished both frontier games

>>2104914
It's good for the most part.

I'd add a bit about maybe it being best to have one character focused on mainly one thing but I think you may have said that in the guide.

>>2104934
There's not much except for some cosplays like RS3 noble devils and schirach.

Also I like how pic related has fully usable sprites but there's no way to use him.

>>2103836
Metal Black at the very least has some of the best battle music in all saga games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4cymVTDbec

(same goes for the genocide heart though)

NO FUTURE

>>2105012
Oh

well SaGa 2 is probably my favorite of the gameboy ones

I haven't played RS2 because my moonrune skills are weak

http://pastebin.com/QeD1BR5q
added some event stuff to hack pastebin. I'm probably forgetting stuff, especially in mid game. I will probably add some battle tips later I can think of. Now someone also suggested character locations but I'm not sure about it because it's in JP Wiki.

>>2104815
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5wtsm1rs3m5gb4e/RS3%20Bokuno%20Proto%201.081.srm?dl=0

I'll gladly repeat what I said in the former SaGa thread:

The ending of SaGa Frontier 2 is one of my favorites simply because of the symbolic weight when the thing that smashed the egg was Gustave's sword of all things.

>>2105543
Took me around ~20 tries

Eh, when I was a kid (in middle school, I think), I bought the Bradygames SF2 guide because the illustrations looked really cool, but I never got the game.
I probably should change that...is SaGa Frontier 2 rare these days?

>>2090021
>You have to be really stupid to get her killed and essentially completely lack common sense

W-Well, time to reload.

>>2105638
Must be really bad luck on my part then.

>>2105702
https://www.dropbox.com/s/t7ehjdjwl61o643/RS3%20Bokuno%20Proto%201.081.srm?dl=0

>>2105681
With emulation nothing is rare.

>>2105775
It's not the same!

>>2105720
Thanks anon, I might have gone off the deep end if I had to reset anymore for that thing.

Time to go find a nice spot to spark some more techs and advance the quests.

>>2091136

...Copeland from The Police?

>>2105040
Do you even get to fight him?

>>2104324
If you're curious about RomaSaGa 2 there are a lot of FAQs I've put in the pastebin and I can help you out too if you need tips.
Otherwise SaGa 2 for the GB is pretty solid.

I do prefer RomaSaGa 2 because it's probably my favorite game together with Unlimited and the two Frontier games.
>>2105681
>>2105814

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SaGa-Frontier-2-Sony-PlayStation-1-2000-/221621195677?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item3399a7139d

Doesn't look rare at all.

>>2106263
No

In Bokuno you only fight Arachne.

Did I do good? I've been looking for one of them for over 20 years now. Over twenty fucking years. For Final Fantasy Legend 2

So which final emperor in RS2 is better?

dead thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl1MlwmAVgE

>>2107092
I dunno man.

Femperor is cute as hell but Manperor is David Bowie.

I mean it does boil down to personal preference of aesthetics since stats wise they become whatever you want.

To this day I wish they had given RS3 the same kind of remake as RS1.

Just imagine the destroyer in 3D with the same kind of neat overhaul as Saruin got. And not even him, the four devil lords as well.

On a scale of 1 to bad, how decent is the current incomplete english trans?

>>2107659
Of what?

>>2107670
RS2

>>2107647
F.

F won't get turned on by Rocbocquet's ability to make your party super horny and attack themselves. Male will, and you'll have to blow an accessory on him then, which limits your party in other ways (now you can have 1 less male class)

>>2107659
It's just skill and spell names and nothing past a short part of the prologue is done.

>>2107810
Oh okay then.

I just funded the Magic Research Centre and got the Dragon Monks to join me.

This is good right?

don't die

So what's an easy way to inflate global spell levels in RS2?

>>2107810
I think Female also gets Moonlight Sword which has a built in healing tech and Moonshades. (Attack 2nd form Noel uses)

>>2108429
You are opening up your options for classes.

I would advise you to get the University as well when the time comes as that will unlock the Tactician Class which is needed to make it easier to clear a quest later on.

Is it a good idea to lose to Rocboquet on purpose to trigger the additional events?

I'm wondering since I doubt I'll be able to trigger Subier over her and I beat all of the others barring Leon (truce) before I got Final Emperor.

>>2110895
*Noel

Don't know where I got Leon from.

I'm also wondering what would be a good final team in terms of classes since I have access to all of them now.

>>2110898
Too much Star Ocean 2, methinks.

>>2110074
There's no easy way, you just have to take it like a man and have a dedicated mage that chews through Spell proficiency levels.

You can "cheat" regarding your emperor's proficiency levels by abusing the Heritage magic mechanic, keep on grinding with a mage and then after a few generations make one of your mages(possibly a tactician for maximum exploit) an Emperor and BAM, 20/25 levels of three magic types in one go.
>>2110898
I usually go with Femperor, Hannibal(Black Imperial Guard), a female Holy Order/Amazon, Privateer and an Iris or a Tactician. if you have guts you can solo with Femperor and the Amethyst Axe setup, but that requires a lot of planning since the beginning of the game since you need certain high tier combination spells and a very good axe level and waza.
Problem is, the final boss is REALLY hard, it gets seven turns in a row when it can use any of the Seven Heroes skills and has more than 100000 HP, you have to git gud if you want to survive the inevitable onslaught of Temptation+Kamaitachi/Heat Hand+Soul Steal+Psychobind+Marionette+Grand Slam+Maelstrom in one turn.

>>2107092
Kinda forgot to include a reply in the previous post, but Femperor has better INT and comes with the Moonlight Sword sword equipped, which allows you to use Noel's Moonshades signature move, I do think she also has a better Dark Magic counter than Manperor, Manperor has tons of STR that rivals with motherfucking Hannibal, that alone is definitely impressive, he has the Day Blade equipped and due to a glitch he's the only character that can spark a certain waza on a late game mace, making him possibly the best all around weapon user in the game.

Both are type 14 Sparkers which means they're pretty good with one handed swords, but don't even think about getting to the last gen without having mastered most of the high tier waza anyway.

>>2110895
It's generally a good idea, yes, gives access to a neat new area with a bit more plot exposition and money, and you must not say no to money in RomaSaGa 2, I'd reccomend you kill the Stone Guardian before dealing with Rocbouquet so she won't fight you at all and go straight onto the temple, she'll even say thanks for that.
> I doubt I'll be able to trigger Subier over her and I beat all of the others barring Leon
If you've completed the Garon quest(the one with Enrique asking you to retake their base) than Subier is already triggered, do the second Garon quest by going to the town near Mermaid and tolk to Maria, the little girl in the pub, she'll mention that a ship relic has been sighted near town and that Subier is probably behind the recent seastorms in the region, once you finish this quest there's a chance Subier will appear as you exit the sunken ship, otherwise Maria will give you his whereabouts anyway, he's in the South pole region, you can get there from the Saigo Village region, but if I'm not mistaken you can directly take a ship to go meet Subier in the same town Maria is.

Otherwise you'll have to build the bridge in Miramar and wait for him to destroy it but I'm not sure whether there's a specific event related to that.

One last thing regarding Subier, his second form is very nasty, so you might want to not kill the Ocean King(the Narwhale monster) if you meet him during the Miramar bridge events or as random encounter as it will make Subier go into his second form, he can also go in his second form if you wait too long to kill him or if he's the last hero left by the end of the game.