/vr/ - Retro Games

Currently, the sanic franchise is completely dead to me.

But to answer your question, I like both just as much. I grew up in the 90s and loved the games on the Mega Drive. Naturally, when we got a Dreamcast, I played Sonic Adventure 1 and 2, which still stand as the only 3D games in the franchise that are thoroughly enjoyable to play.

I have a lot of great memories playing both kinds, but just for the sake of it, I voted 'Dreamcast' on your poll.

The Screen Saver.

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Classic.

I sort of like concept art Sonic the best.

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>>2096957
A part of me really wishes they wouldn't have dropped Madonna (only to be replaced by Amy in CD) and kept him in a rockband.

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>>2096962
Did someone say Sonic in a rockband?

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>>2096969
Sonic, Manic and Sonia. What if they had a second sister?

>Mania the Hedgehog

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It would've made for a cool boke-tsukkomi duo, and the rockband thing has been addressed in the pre-release manga.

>tfw they literally live in TTGL Earth

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>>2096994
I though sonics eyes was green?

>>2096925
The original sanic 1 of course

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>>2097001
Sonic Castlevania crossover when?

>>2096942
That nose really bugged me.

>All those blue skies
One of the things most lacking in modern video game design. Back in the day, video games felt more like fun vacations and recreational activities, now they're all brown and bloom and harrowing Michael Bay movie simulators.

>Sonic Dreamcast almost there with classic

this wasn't just voted by /vr/, right?

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>>2097025
Ever notice how Eggman looks kinda like a Walrus? Look at his collar as tusks.

>>2097021
Could be, seeing that the majority here loves the Dreamcast.
I'm a classic man myself, but I don't get the hate for Adventure. No, it doesn't play itself. Yes, the hubworld in the first one was annoying. It was stylized and modernized just enough not to go over the edge.
oldSega has nothing to do with the shit that came out later seeing that modern Sega isn't really the same company. Most of its key staff moved on shortly after the bankruptcy and the publisher Sega-Sammy is today prefers to either rush or outsource work on the franchise to shitty developers for a quick cash in, possible because of a fanbase that wasn't really around when Sonic and Sega was relevant.

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I know, I love the Adventure games too, but I'd imagine most if not all of /vr/ would prefer the classic Sonic over the stylized, green eyed, one.

A more interesting poll for /vr/ would be japanese sonic vs american sonic designs.

>>2097038
Japanese would win, hands down. Nobody likes the badly drawn ass-faced mohawk Sonic.

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I also prefer the JP one, but I think the american wasn't all that bad either, it was just more cool than cute (while the japanese was both cute and cool).

This boxart is a favorite of mine.

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My thread got deleted.

>>2097071

I like both of them, I had lots of fun on Sonic 1,2,3 and S&K, and I loved Sonic Adventure 1 & 2 on the DC.

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Thank you for dumping the screensaver pics dear anon. You could make some really sweet calendars out of them and they would last more than a couple of years.

>>2096962
Madonna was supposed to be his girlfriend.
Amy is just some fucking girl he doesn't even know. She's to Sonic what the "Adoring Fan" is to Oblivion.

A

>>2096983
Is Sonic straight up murdering Tails in cold blood by locking him out of a remote house in the middle of the winter, casually reading a book while waiting for him to freeze to death?

I like how the old design takes a lot of influences from old black and white cartoon characters. In hindsight it feels extra nostalgic and in practice it's more timeless than the dated redesigns.
Classic Sonic was the closest video games got to having its own Mickey Mouse.

>>2096925
cd sonic is best sonic

>>2097186
90' as fuck.

>>2097249
The color aesthetics are more 80s, though.

>>2097234
Yep. Not too tall, not too short, he's just perfect in that video.

>>2096991
As a kid I always saw a lipstick kiss on the cheek instead of his open mouth
Even now it's really hard to see it

>>2097249
Awesome as fuck.

http://goo.gl/NcwCbk

>>2097294
You can clearly see a tongue.

>>2097342
Yes, I am aware, as I already said.

Classic

the one that eats chili dogs

>>2096960
BUT WHY IS THE BIS STOP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD??

I'm not going to read this entire thread but anyone that hasn't said Sega Saturn Sonic is a fucktard.

>>2097234
that fucking animation, man. fucking top tier vidya opening of all time.

>>2098664
Too bad most people experienced it firsthand on the shitty Sega CD version, which terrible FMV quality and the game itself has collision issues.

>>2096925
The one that isnt autistic

>>2096925
I'm fine with either design.

>>2098696
I had the Sega PC version. were there notable differences between the Sega PC and Sega CD versions of the game?

>>2097032

Sonic Adventure is the stereotypical early 3D mess, and I love it. Yes, the camera is hard to control and the animation is goofy and the story isn't that great, but it's still a blast to play. Most of the Adventure haters are /v/ kiddos who like Egoraptor's edgy opinions and never actually play Sonic games for themselves, or if they do it's only the modern ones.

The Dreamcast games have honest points of criticism, but you never hear Sonic critics talking about Sonic 3 or Knuckles' Chaotix.

>>2098925
>Most of the Adventure haters are /v/ kiddos who like Egoraptor's edgy opinions and never actually play Sonic games for themselves, or if they do it's only the modern ones.
I'm actually shocked how many people shit on the entire franchise just because more recent games have been shit. And then there's the fact that a bunch of people think Sonic R's OST is bad, which I can't even wrap my head around.

>>2099691
I wouldn't go so far as to call it "good" either.
It's a guilty pleasure for most of us, the same way ROOOOOLIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNG STAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAART is.

>>2098915
It had higher quality FMVs I think. It even runs on a different engine from what I heard.

>>2099704
nigga it's top tier though

>>2099691
>And then there's the fact that a bunch of people think Sonic R's OST is bad, which I can't even wrap my head around.
It's shit because it doesn't fit at all with Sonic's hip and cool characteristics. In the mid-90s literally no kid would be appealed by that soundtrack.

It's also absolute shit in and off itself.

>>2098925
I always really liked sonic adventure and thought sega did a great job with both games.

>>2099789
The soundtrack is fucking awesome,and when sonic r was released that kind of euro dance music was very popular here.

>>2099789
you just have shit taste anon.

I actually think the Dreamcast version of Sonic is the best Sonic. It was a perfect redesign that is better than the original imo.

>>2096962
>American said her people would be grossed out if they gave America a human gf
>gets removed
>years later Sonic 06 comes out
>Sonic gets a human gf
>Americans get grossed out

I say it was a good call

>>2099789
>In the mid-90s literally no kid would be appealed by that soundtrack.
we must have grown up on opposite planets because all of my friends at the time and a bunch of people in this thread seem to love it
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>>2099843
LIVING IN THE CITY

>>2096925
Never owned a Sega console besides a Dreamcast growing up. I never cared for the sonic games then, and I still don't now.

I don't think they were ever really good honestly...

>>2098925
>Most of the Adventure haters are /v/ kiddos who like Egoraptor's edgy opinions and never actually play Sonic games for themselves, or if they do it's only the modern ones.

3D Sonic has been a synonym for shit going on 15 years now. There were a lot of detractors as soon as the Adventure games came out.

Me, I love the Adventure games purely for nostalgia, the Sonic/Shadow levels, and the corny as fuck OSTs, and I'm cool with that.

I can recognize that they have terrible cameras, lots of glitches, SA 1 has the awful as fuck hub world, and SA 2 has the boring mech missions and terrible treasure hunt missions and that the 3D gameplay isn't nearly as good as the 2D, but I would be lying if I said I don't pop 'em in the ol' Dreamcast every once in a while.

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>>2097201
man imagine how different the franchise would have been if Madonna and the rock band idea had been kept and expanded upon.
>Sonic CD different; Amy's nowhere to be seen
>Sonic Shuffle, SA1, etc. never happen
>Sonic goes complete no fucks given badass mode, minus brooding emo outfit and muh teen angst Shadow had
>only cares about fast and destroying Robotnik's robot armies
>the "power of friendship will prevail over anything!" motif never came into existence
>he stays our most way past cool badass forever
>mfw I realize Amy fucked everything up

>>2100214
How would keeping Madonna lead to any of that?

>>2100214
Or maybe;
>Grossed out Americans.
>Poor sales.
>No Sonic 2.
>Nintendo wins console war by a landslide.
>Sega never makes the Saturn or Dreamcast.
>They develop weird arcade-like games for Nintendo and Sony.

>>2096979
Was this from when Eggman was supossed to be playable? He looks so damn cute!
>>2096981
I love and also find kinda cheesy how the male animals are all adirable little critters while the women are cute&sexy anime girls dressed as catgirls
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>>2097186
How many bucks this inspired seapunk and vaporwave?

>>2101045
Pretty much all of 90s Sega is vaporwave as fuck.

>>2096946
Tips fedora.

>>2101040
>Grossed out Americans.
>Poor sales

Madeline Schroeder pls go, Crash Bandicoot did this and they worked their way out by giving Crash a sister, which could might as well just have been Amy to Sonic (that would have meant no Tails though). What matters is that the game was going to be a success either way, just as Crash was, even if he was saving an anthropomorphic bandicoot with boobs.

Madonna could've been something like pic related only less pretentious and more cute, not to say Yuji Naka dropped the concept on his own because he wanted to focus on Sonic and Eggman.

can i like both? i like the dreamcast version a bit better though

>>2101045
It's Eggman's very first concept sketch, or at least the one they developed his final look from.

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>>2097164
just imagine a new sonic game that looks like that... and plays well, sorta like a crash bandicoot

>>2101330
That's what a proper Sonic the Hedgehog 4 would be like.

>>2101160
>just as Crash was, even if he was saving an anthropomorphic bandicoot with boobs.

as a child, the win screen in CTR made me very uncomfortable

and here we all are

>>2097019
It's a very SEGA thing that I truly miss. Nintendo holds the torch with that look too (and I'm glad), but Sega does it in a really cool, "it's always summer, and we're at the beach" way, even when depicting locales far removed from the sand and sea.

>>2099789
At the time, I thought the Sonic R soundtrack's lyrics were awful, even if I liked the songs a bit. It was enough to not want to listen to the music though.

these days, I enjoy how cheesy as fuck it sounds

>>2100193
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO SURVIVE

>>2100181
Elise's proportions are all fucked, and it wasn't the 90s anymore. By the time '06 came out, furry-fetishism was a known and well hated thing.

>>2100210
I just recently replayed Adventure 1.
There are only two good Sonic stages in that whole game. Like, holy crap. The Tails stages are mildly enjoyable. Knuckles stages are surprisingly fun, because the radar isn't gimped to hell and back. Big... yeah, I'm just going to play Sega Bass Fishing instead, fuck Froggy. Amy's stages are a pain. Gamma's stages should be better, but aren't terrible.

Adventure 2 holds up significantly better, even if there's even more bullshit throughout (far worse Knuckles style stages, boring Tails style stages, and now you can't just ignore the other gameplay types). Most of SA2's Sonic/Shadow stages are at least decent, if not good.

and it's still bad overall
But then again, that doesn't matter, since I can pop in any Sonic/Shadow stage in that game and enjoy myself, barring the mess that is Final Chase.

>>2098925
Chaotix has no actual level design. At all. It's stilted, disjointed, oddly vertical, and overall a mess. It's still surprisingly enjoyable despite that because playing around with the rubber-banding is fun.
Godly soundtrack though, and gorgeous graphics.
Pretty sure not enough people have played it to criticize.

as for Sonic 3, that game is universally considered to be damn good

>>2101054
Sonic fan characters in a nutshell.

>>2101476
ORIGINAL CHARACTERS: DO NOT STEEL.

>>2101054
This may've been from a contest wherein children had to turn Sonic into another animal
That dino sonic looks like something from s4s, but that batman thing unsettles me

>>2101429
it would've been only a matter of time then

>>2101543
>>2101429 here
that's a huge-ass post I made, which bit are you talking about?

>>2101558
the 06 bit

>>2097217
I think Tails is peeping in on Sonic like some kind of creepy stalker. Tails' face is too cheerful for it to be anything bad on Sonic's end.

Whichever version was the S3&K version.

>>2101728
Classic, then.

>>2096925
How is that even a question? The Dreamcast games are extremely bad. They have a few decent stages each and even those are barely functional half the time

>>2096925
A.

Only sonic I ever played was on pc in the 90s, so pc sonic.

>>2103478
Classic, then.

>>2101160
Nothing about Jessica Rabbit is pretentious.

>>2096925
>didn't replace green eye sonic with classic sonic in smash 4

>>2103782
For what it's worth, Sonic's model in Smash is exactly what his modern model should look like.

>>2103783
FINGERNAILS

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Just when you thought sonic couldn't get any worse.

>>2103783
Why not this?

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>>2096960
better question. why is the FASTEST THING ALIVE waiting for a bus

>>2104335
Waiting for his date

SONICS ARMS ARE NOT BLUE!!

>>2105042
No shit, Sherlock.

>>2105042
>legs blue
>arms not blue

>>2103790
Jesus fucking Christ, that's disgusting.

>>2103806
2 kawaii

>>2104335
His legs are tired.

>>2105042
rip sonic 1991 - 2014
/v/ and /co/ lost their shit for a week when the new sonic redesign was announced

>>2105350
It is a pretty shitty design, I'm not gonna lie.

>>2105396
>knuckles's design

>>2105350
Remember when we only had the silhouettes, and /v/ and /co/'s drawfags drew a ton of crazy shit to fill them in? I wish I saved those.

>>2097032
What are you talking about Sega is the same pachinko company today as it was yesterday.
The gaming stuff's just a side business.

>>2105794
So is Konami if you know what I mean...

>>2105794
Pachinko is where Japanese game developers go to die

>>2096925
I grew up with Sonic Adventure and Adventure 2 a lot more than the genesis games but I hate how long his legs are getting so I prefer his original look. One of my favourite designs is his Nendoroid toy. Which is just a sonic in SD proportions so it looks like classic sonic.

>>2096969
Jesus Christ don't even start. I just got out of a giant thread on Sonic Underground on /co/.

>>2097229
>Classic Sonic was the closest video games got to having its own Mickey Mouse.

Is this the reason why Sonic doesn't actually die no matter how many terrible games come out with him in it?

>>2106072
The original three cartoons are really interesting parallels. You have SatAM which is usually on model, AoStH which is usually deliberately off model for comedic effect, and Underground which is usually off model due to sheer incompetence.

>>2106089
No kidding.

A(classic), of course---before the fandom went guano insane on him.

>>2105794
That shit looks too fucking complicated, even if it's nothing more to do than put a coin in the machine.

>>2106072
I remember watching that shit on Youtube before it got viral how fucking shit it was, I was expecting something half-decent, but stopped watching because the episodes were trying to be chronological but maintained absolutely no fucking consistency. I frequently had to double check that I didn't miss an episode just because of how confusing it was.

>>2106093
That's terrifying.

>>2106072
what the christ is this, I only ever saw AoStH and SatAM back in the day. This looks like some fever-dream nightmare

>>2096942
My nigga. S3&K Collection was the best PC game I ever bought. And I was 7.

>>2110957
Too bad about that music quality though.

>>2109124
Sonic Underground was on....Sci-Fi channel, I think? It had a really fucking goofy time slot, like really early in the morning, and I remember catching it at random when it aired and being shocked that there was another show. I only watched it because Knuckles was in it, but I definitely remember hating it besides that. Especially the songs. What the fuck was with video game cartoons in the 90s and really poorly sung songs in every episode.

>>2096925
I liked both, but that 90's attitude of classic sonic is why I loved him in the first place so A it is.

The Sonic The Hedgehog OVA showed Sonic's personality perfectly.

>>2096925

>vr, the retro video game board for retro video games, which do you prefer retro video game sonic or new sonic

>>2110996
Easy to fix now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJcw0hJzzfs

WHY ARE THEY ALL CYCLOPS MONSTERS WITH TWO PUPILS ON THEIR ONE HORRIBLE EYE

>>2096925
dreamcast sonic looks like he has better tasting cum.

>>2096925
i liek sanic teh hegehag-

this is mah favrite picure of him.

>>2112129
forget picure

>>2111989
Dreamcast is retro.

I like both. Fuck the Soap shoes though.

>>2097186
>Bung!

>>2096925
They're about on par mostly, though I miss Sonic CD Amy.

I never really liked Sonic's designs. His early designs borrowed too much from 90s trends. His designs now look like an awkward mix between the 90s style and anime. Nothing has a timeless quality like the earlier vidya icons' designs, which might simply have been a result of technical limitations.

For me he was the first of many forgettable characters with trendy designs like Crash, Gex, and Banjo that swamped platforming games for a decade.

>>2101429
>It's a very SEGA thing that I truly miss. Nintendo holds the torch with that look too (and I'm glad), but Sega does it in a really cool, "it's always summer, and we're at the beach" way, even when depicting locales far removed from the sand and sea.
This.
Sega used to make really fun looking 'grassy beaches'.

>>2112056
goddammit you nigger i laughed so hard i probably woke my neighbors

it's what i get for reading it 5 hours after you posted it

I like both, but I'm leaning more towards the old model.

I find this version of him interesting because his quills are more elongated than usual. It seemed to me a prototype to the new model.

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I see these a lot, and they never get old. I miss seeing this kind of style coupled with the beautiful colors; really gives you that weird 90's future type vibe.

Who's the person that draws these? Signature is kind of muddled into there, can't make it out.

>>2112804
That sounds like a biased excuse more than a legitimate reason.

>>2112804
How are Crash or Sonic forgettable?

I can give you Gex, and arguably Banjo, but those two??

The Dreamcast one looks like it's trying too hard to be cool. Kind of embarrassing, actually.

>>2112491
Me too, I really liked that design. It's such a shame it was never used in a proper Sonic game outside of Sonic CD. She's so cute in Sonic the Fighters.

>>2112804
>His early designs borrowed too much from 90s trends.
What?
They're based heavily on classic black and white cartoons. Early Sonic is more 20s than 90s, really. It only feels like a 90s thing in retrospect because Sonic started the animal mascot boom that followed.

>>2116604
This. He was a part of the late 80s to late 90s classic cartoon animals revival that played a huge part in the Saturday morning cartoon block of the day.

>>2113768
It's my opinion, of course its biased.

>>2113783
Sonic's designs seem unoriginal and trendy to me. Pretty standard anthropomorphic design with some "90s cool" flair like his smirk and shoes. The only unique thing is the blue color, a marketing gimmick.

Crash looked and acted like he was supposed to be an energy drink mascot. The gloves and sneakers are especially dated.

Both of them remind me of the kind of stuff Poochy lampoons.

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>>2116624
>Sonic started the animal mascot boom that followed
Are we talking strictly about video games? Cartoons like DuckTales and Alvin and the Chipmunks were massively popular well before Sonic, and probably had a big influence on his design.

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>>2116661
>Pretty standard anthropomorphic design with some "90s cool" flair like his smirk and shoes.
His shoes are loosely based on Michael Jackson and Santa Clause. If anything, Sonic comes from 70's and 80's style, with some 20's thrown in, since he's also based on Mickey and Felix.
>The only unique thing is the blue color, a marketing gimmick.
What the fuck? Sonic was supposed to be a "cool" character. Not "edgy" "radical" or "cuhRAYzee" like shitty American marketing and post-2000 games likely subjected you to. It only makes sense for him to have an appealing color that compliments his character. In no way is that a gimmick.

Sonic is not a Poochie. He was created by good designers and developers with the intention of making a good character for a good game.

>>2116661
>Cartoons like DuckTales and Alvin and the Chipmunks were massively popular well before Sonic, and probably had a big influence on his design.
DuckTales is a pretty weird example since it's basically just an adaption of Carl Bark's Donald Duck comics, which have been widely popular since they were created, just not in the US.
Disney has always been popular, and probably always will be, so pointing to one of their biggest franchises as some sign of the times feels strange.

>>2117435
There's no point in arguing with you if you're going to straight up pull shit out of your ass (the designers have specifically said the blue color was meant to represent the company brand) and make up arguments for me (none of my posts call Sonic "edgy" or "radical" or whatever).

Sonic's development was a reaction against Nintendo. Essentially a Mario killer. And mostly that lead to developing a flashy character who was doomed to be trendy.

For the record, I love the early Sonics except for his design (and half of the cast). The music and level aesthetics especially.

>>2118048
That's a pretty bad representation of DuckTales and Disney. Of course I'm familiar with the comic, and anyone who's seen both sees the obvious differences. DuckTales updated the comic's premise with massive 80s Hanna-Barbera influence.

And Disney is a multimedia empire, but it hasn't "always been popular." Its animation output was in a pretty big slump in the 70s and 80s. DuckTales was the first major TV cartoon success for Disney, which paved the way for the slew of shows that came after. DuckTales along with the Little Mermaid helped Disney cartoons thrive in the 90s.

I like Sonic games, both old and new, but it's a little infuriating that Sega created a great throwback Sonic, but only used it for one game.

Just make another 2D Sidescroller with the Classic design, it would do better then Sonic Boom.

I think I like the Genesis design a tad more. His look just seems more quirky (for lack of a better term) and loveable to me than his later versions. It kind of gave a sense of lightheartedness that Dreamcast Sonic just doesn't have, what with those hip sneakers and that edgy-looking face and whatnot (>inb4 Shadow). I dunno. I just think Classic Sonic looks more appealing.

>>2119654
>And Disney is a multimedia empire, but it hasn't "always been popular." Its animation output was in a pretty big slump in the 70s and 80s. DuckTales was the first major TV cartoon success for Disney, which paved the way for the slew of shows that came after. DuckTales along with the Little Mermaid helped Disney cartoons thrive in the 90s.
Popular is very relative, regardless of the company's financial output, characters like Mickey Mouse are still just as iconic.

>>2096952
This is the coolest thing I've ever seen

I...forgot that I owned a pair of Soap shoes. Dear god.

>>2096925
>classic sonic won the vote
frick[/spoiler\

>>2096925
>classic sonic wins the vote

frick

>>2106083
Sonic is still the most popular game mascot outside of Mario and Pikachu

I can't believe some people here hate DC redesign with such a passion.

Calm down, it's fine.

>>2119828
End it.

>>2119654
>the designers have specifically said the blue color was meant to represent the company brand
That's not a marketing gimmick, that's video game developers wanting to represent their company.
>none of my posts call Sonic "edgy" or "radical" or whatever
You posted Poochie you fucking idiot. Have you even seen the episode? Do you know what Poochie represents?
>Sonic's development was a reaction against Nintendo.
Your point? That's just what kick started his very long development as a character, it doesn't really speak for him.

>>2101040
would've been fine too

>>2101040
>>2124305
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that be a bit closer to:
>Grossed out Americans.
>Poor sales.
>No Sonic 2
>No Sega CD, or Sega's doing so poorly already that Nintendo doesn't feel threatened by it
>Nintendo never tries to counter the Sega CD by making the Nintendo Playstation with Sony
>They never try to get Phillips to replace it
>Hotel Mario and the Zelda CDI games are never created
>Sony never enters the console market
>Nintendo completely dominates video game market until Microsoft comes in
>Except in South America, where everyone loves them because the Master System got there first

I dunno.

But in any case, SA1 would've happened without Amy. Just cut out 3 versions of the 11 stages; there are, like, 29 left? That, or have Madonna play through the stages.

>>2122086
>That's not a marketing gimmick, that's video game developers wanting to represent their company.
HUGE difference
>Have you even seen the episode?
Apparently you haven't, based on earlier posts you think "cuhRAYzee" adequately describes him
>Your point?
Is literally a few words away in that post. Not worth repeating the exact same thing.

This is what I get for thinking a decent discussion is possible with the Sonic fanbase.

>>2119828
I feel bad for you.

>>2125530
>HUGE difference
Yes, obviously.
>Apparently you haven't, based on earlier posts you think "cuhRAYzee" adequately describes him
It actually does.
>Is literally a few words away in that post.
So you had no fucking point that wasn't completely obvious.

>This is what I get for thinking a decent discussion is possible with the Sonic fanbase.
Oh shut the fuck up, anon, don't pull that shitty card. I'm not even a Sonic fan, don't get mad that you can't back up your bizarre opinions properly.

>>2127147
>don't get mad that you can't back up your bizarre opinions properly.
Are you just talking to yourself now? I've backed up every claim I've made so far while you've reduced yourself to baseless shitslinging

Catch ya on the flipside, dudemeister

>>2113783
Original JP Sonic was absolute perfect iconic design. They incresingly fucked it up until Sonic became Sanic The Autist.
Crash Bandicoot was never good as a design. The games were mildly enjoyable though

>>2117435
>cuhRAYzee
oh man. I remember when some shithead idiots tried to make threads here about "cuhRAYzee shmups". We're so lucky they were kicked right the fuck out

>>2119697
Yes. 100% agree. Dreamcast Sonic and all variants afterwards transformed the character in such a huge moronic douchebag. Mario doesn't speak, Sonic should have never started. Don't even start me on the GENIUSES that decided jun senoue was a fitting replacement for masato nakamura or michael jackson. How do you fuck it up so badly?

>>2120779
it is not, really. everything that came from that point on was worse and worse with each new game.

>>2127493
You've got it backwards, my dense friend.

>>2128770
Is that your trigger word?

>>2128840
I really don't. It's not hard to see that Sonic was a product of his times, unless you're completely ignorant of those times, which you seem to be.

Look at the popular cartoons of the time and explain how Sonic doesn't resemble them: TMNT, DuckTales, Chipmunks, Garfield, etc. They all came out before him and are clear influences, and you're claiming he started that trend (unless you're talking strictly within vidya, which is exactly what I claimed in my first post).

Not only that, but it makes business sense for Sega to design a character based on trends if they want something that can surpass Mario in popularity. And it worked extremely well until the trends faded. Now Sonic's not much more than a cult/retro icon, especially while Sega's churning out the shit it does.

>>2128997
>unless you're completely ignorant of those times, which you seem to be.
Not as much as you, apparently.
Anthropomorphic animals have always been common and popular in fiction. In mythology, in literature, in films, in animation, and now in video games. You might as well blame Mario's success on Donkey Kong being a cartoon animal while your at it.

>TMNT, DuckTales, Chipmunks, Garfield
None of the characters or themes from those originate in the 90's, so you can't really look to them for signs of trends. Not to mention Sonic and its lore don't even resemble a single one of them.
>are clear influences
You're just pulling shit out of your ass and/or grasping at straws.

Sonic's design was mostly developed around his abilities and personality.

The only "clear influences" on Sonic's design that I can see are a combination of Mickey Mouse and Felix the Cat, primarily Felix, both in appearance and personality.

Coincidentally enough, people who worked on Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog went on to work on The Twisted Tales of Felix the Cat.

>>2129081
Also Sonic's shoes are based on Santa's color scheme.

Wait a minute
>Sonic is originally from Christmas Island
>Sonic's magic shoes are Santa colored
>Sonic's biplane is Santa colored
Does Sonic know Santa

>>2129180
>YFW Sonic is actually Santa.
>YFW that's how he gets around to all the children of the world so quickly.

>>2129062
>>2129062
Now I'm starting to understand why you don't see my point. You clearly don't understand the concept of trends or fads. A concept existing doesn't mean its popularity stays constant.

The anthropomorphic character fad was at a peak when Sonic came out, which is exactly why I mentioned those shows. All of the characters existed before that in less popular forms, but the late 80s/early 90s was the trend's apex. Sega capitalized on the cartoon animal trend by creating a character following it.

Your Mario/DK counterexample is pretty bad. You actually could have brought up a good point about them. The fact that you didn't is a further example of your lack of familiarity.

>Not to mention Sonic and its lore don't even resemble a single one of them.
Sonic visually resembles all of them except the Turtles, even if they're all derived from the same Krazy Kat design.

>Sonic's design was mostly developed around his abilities and personality.
And his personality is clearly derived from the Turtles, with the "gotta go fast" shit tacked on.

>>2129081
You could say the same thing about Heathcliff and the Chipmunks (and other anthropomorphic cartoons), except the same people worked on them before Sonic.

>>2128774
>mario doesn't speak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DciHBnMnlo

>>2129081
>>2129180

Also Bill Clinton.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D9h-4vQUHM

>>2129295
I understand your point, I just don't agree with it.
>The anthropomorphic character fad was at a peak when Sonic came out
No, it was at its peak in the 20's - 40's.

>All of the characters existed before that in less popular forms
The Donald Duck theatre shorts were far more popular than Ducktales

>Your Mario/DK counterexample is pretty bad. You actually could have brought up a good point about them. The fact that you didn't is a further example of your lack of familiarity.
Because there is no point to be made there. Mario and Donkey Kong succeeded because it is a good game, Mr. Ad Hominem

>Sonic visually resembles all of them except the Turtles
They are all small cute cartoony animals, but they don't look very similar. You'd never hear anyone say "Hey, Sonic looks a lot like Huey, Garfield, and Theodore, doesn't he?"

>And his personality is clearly derived from the Turtles, with the "gotta go fast" shit tacked on.
And more asumptuous bullshit. TMNT didn't invent teenagers.

>>2129295
>his personality is clearly derived from the Turtles

No, early 90's Sonic and 80's TMNT are both inspired by western US surfer/skater culture. That shit was popular back then, the Turtles didn't popularize it.

Are Sonic and friends the cutest vidya characters ever made?

>>2129521
Is Knuckles cute?

>>2129496
>>2129496
That image is pointless. Pairing major deities with children's cartoons to make a point just shows how flimsy your argument is.

>No, it was at its peak in the 20's - 40's.
You obviously don't understand the idea of trends because you act like trends can only have a single peak.

>Because there is no point to be made there.
>I am also not familiar with this character development so I will dismiss it

>Mario and Donkey Kong succeeded because it is a good game, Mr. Ad Hominem
I'm talking strictly about design. Sonic also succeeded because it was a good game. Great deduction skills. Also, what is this "Mario and Donkey Kong" game?

>You'd never hear anyone say "Hey, Sonic looks a lot like Huey, Garfield, and Theodore, doesn't he?"
Actually that's how I've felt since I've played Sonic games when they came out. That's the basis of my personal opinion.

>TMNT didn't invent teenagers.
>>2129505
They were the first popular anthropomorphic characters that acted like teenagers and were widely imitated.

>>2096925
>People actually voted for Boom
Fucking kek

>>2129572
>Pairing major deities with children's cartoons to make a point just shows how flimsy your argument is.
Why?

>>2129680
Because I worship Donkey Kong and you offended me

>>2129357
>comparing completely harmless one-liners used to sparingly punctuate gameplay highlights (like getting a star) with modern sonic's paragraphs and paragraphs of edgy bullshit

I'll give you that I should have been clearer, but come on. even you can tell the difference between quirky little expressions and hours of bullshit

>>2128919
were you one of the idiots?

>>2129889
Every game character has had their highs and lows. Need I remind you of Hotel Mario on CD-I? or the even worse Zelda CD-I games? I'll concede that Sonic has had some bad spots in his recent history, but to single Sonic out as the only one that dare have anything go wrong in his franchise is absolutely insane.

>>2129927

It's one thing when you have a couple of bad games, its another thing when the bad games start to double the number of good games in the series.

I mean to say sonic has had some bad spots in his recent history, is an understatement.

>>2129526
where is this classic 3d model from?

>>2129927
>Need I remind you of Hotel Mario on CD-I? or the even worse Zelda CD-I games?

You mean those games not made by Nintendo?

>>2129951
This. And the whole snowball of bullshit started with the Dreamcast redesign. You can see how they redefined several key aspects of the franchise (and the character, of course) when they didn't really need it. It was perfectly fine. Just to consider one aspect (not usually discussed) of it: I'll never understand how Sega could choose jun senoue over the chaotix guys. Sure some autists like the buttrock, but come on. Have you heard the Chaotix OST lately? Redesigning Sonic like they did was a heartless, 200% marketing-informed move. No wonder it failed, no wonder it poisoned all games from that point on.

>>2130861
Hey don't diss early Jun Senoue. He worked on the 3&K and 3D Blast music.

Let's be honest with ourselves: any Sonic not on Genesis or Sega CD was shit.

>>2130861
it didnt fail though... at least not initially, and when they did it was due to the games being broken rushed crap, not sonics redesign

>>2130886
It was both. they switched a loveable, potentially timeless design with just enough attitude with a tall-ass teenager chatterbox piece of crap. In terms of broad, massive appeal, Sega objectively missed the point with modern Sonic. In terms of autists and furries, they were spot-on I guess.

And I agree with you, the Adventure games were crap compared to their predecessors (not that it's hard to tell. gameplay mechanics, story, aesthetics... the whole thing took a dive quality wise) and that's saying a lot, considering Adventure 2 is generally regarded as one if not THE best 3d Sonic game.

>>2130884
This. I agree almost completely.

>>2130884
the gamegear ones were ok
also did anyone ever hear of coca cola kid? its in the sanic chaos engine

>>2130882
Yeah, and as soon he was given creative control, he shat all over the franchise. The same goes for Takashi Iizuka, who also mercilessly botched the Nights Into Dreams sequel. These two are the main culprits behind Sonic being shit after 1999.

>>2130983
It's why I said don't diss EARLY Jun Senoue.

Best part is he can't make good music anymore even when trying to imitate the Genesis Sonic style, heard his STH4 music?

>>2130882
Only slightly for Sonic 3 (The stage completion, game over, and bonus stage themes are his only confirmed compositions) and his contributions to 3D Blast are the worst songs in the game. Not awful, but they pale in comparison to the 3/4 of the game's music which Tetsuyuki Maeda was in charge of.

>>2130998
Yes. EARLY. I'm sorry, I seem to have overlooked that word. You have to consider that this early jun senoue didn't make any final decisions, so maybe that's why he was good enough. Some dogs are better when kept on a leash, unfortunately.

>>2130998
omfg the sanic 4 music. it's the worst

>>2129526
Well not that model. This version of Amy is very cute. They shouldn't have changed it.

>>2131926
They shouldn't have changed sonic to begin with. They should have never created sonic's "friends" like big the cat. and shadow. omfg, shadow. that's the worst ever.

>>2132056
I like some of his friends. Tails, Knuckles, Amy (I guess she counts) are pretty good. Bigs and Shadow are alright as well although not as good as the former. In fact I like Sonic's newer deisgn better even though the 2D games were best.

>>2129526
That model looks like proper Knuckles. Better than modern models actually.

>>2131926
I love that design, so cute!

There even seems to be a bit of variation within the classic designs.

i don't mean to shitpost but i blame it all on america wanting everything to be manly and edgy

>>2133438
this is not shitposting at all. I agree 120%

>>2132286
I always liked sonic with long straight angled spikes. His modern spikes never looked good to me. I guess I have autism.

>>2133438
It backfired for Sonic. Just look at OP's pic. Classic Sonic looked very confident and had plenty of attitude to spare. Modern Sonic juxtaposed looks like tryhard and wannabe.

The old Sonic is who I associate attitude and charisma with, not new Sonic.

Sonagotchi is the only answer.

>>2097154
The only version of the Dreamcast-era new design I ever liked was the SA2 one with the soap shoes.

His oldschool sneakers look like clown shoes in the new design, it's a fucking joke. And every non-game-playing people who ever saw SA2 around me commented on how awesome shoes he is wearing.