/vr/ - Retro Games

The real in particular or 3DO in general?

Go to bed, Trip.

Or tell me why everything decent on this system wasn't a port.

Not a list of hurrdurr so amazing games, a proper argument for shit that can only be found on this console.

>>2087434
i'm somewhat interested but every exclusive or interesting game I've seen for it ends up being pretty much complete shit.

show me some that aren't

>>2087434
Console was way too fucking expensive for having no Sonic or Mario on it. No wonder it failed.

>>2087454
It seems like every remotely good game for the 3DO got a superior Playstation, Saturn, or PC port.

Probably because no one on Earth owned a 3DO.

Is there a good source for 3DO games? I'm looking for Dragon Knight 3.

Well, PC Engine?

>>2087494
Probably this.

I'd thrown in Amiga CD32, but honestly it has smallish library without exclusives, you're better off with an Amiga 1200. And I can't imagine that being underrated.

3DO has a lot of 90s multimedia FMV titles and a heap of softporn games like Blonde Justice, The Coven, Neurodancer etc. There are exclusives like Sid Meiers CPU Bach and quirky japanese stuff like Neo Organic Bioform, but all of those are not interesting for most people.

>>2087434
>underrated
that's not a Turbografix16

>>2087494
>>2087559
>>2087597
How and where is the PCE underrated? The TG-16 was unsuccessful and as such it may be overlooked by nostalgia fags but otherwise it seems to be appreciated.

Virtual Boy

It's not really fair to discount a console because so much of its library got ported. The logical conclusion to that line of reasoning is to just emulate everything. By emulating or playing ports you miss out on what I like to call the "texture" of the original game, but I could probably come up with a less confusing term when talking about 3D systems.

The 3DO is pretty damn primitive 3D so games that remain unported may have a bit more of that texture than many players may be looking for but never the less I'll post some examples of games even though people will call them complete shit for their graphics and/or digital controls or just because "hurrrdurrr x is bettah"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGrifTVMXeA

I'm a big fan of this one.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9axepeJGtc

It has an exclusive, Japan only pre-RE survival horror game. Pretty much an Alone in the Dark clone but 3DO is also a good choice of platform to play AItD 1 & 2 on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA5RdKoZKAE

The 3DO is not good enough even at it's best for it to ever be too underrated.

3DO was one of those consoles that was very similar to a PC (there's even a PC card version of it) so a lot of its games came out for PC too, like Killing Time so I won't specifically mention them as exclusives. A lot of FMV games for arcade and Laseractive got ported to it also, but with downsampled graphics.

One game that's not technically an exclusive but is definitely a selling point for 3DO is Star Control 2 - which is way better on 3DO than PC because the PC version was on floppy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRVkJZK5HOM

>>2087607
In the few emulators that exist some of the games are alright, but playing on the hardware itself is ridiculous. Admittedly my entire opinion on this comes from spending a few hours with one at a friend's house.

>>2087601
Speaking of the more general populace, I think. If we are talking about the super afficionados, there's probably nothing overlooked. But this does make me realize this may be pretty pointless, since of course your common man doesn't know for example PCE at all but /vr/ should know pretty much all the consoles, so what kind of demographic should we talk about?

If we just discuss in the context of /vr/, a few errant threads will make something seem popular, because this is such a slow board.

I thought PCE mainly because NES, SNES, N64, Master system, MEGA DRIVE, PS etc are the most commonly known, and PCE is sort of the one that would deserve to be lumped in that category. But this always pretty useless to discuss, since we are talking about subjective perception of what others might think.

>>2087636
A lot of people lump it in with CDi and it's way better than that. Jaguar is a better console war to have since Jag got more exclusives due to its weird architecture but 3DO has more my type of games. Also 3DO is much cheaper to own and play on. Definitely worth the $60 they go for if you ask me.

>>2087652
Nobody's arguing that 3DO is better than PCE and PCE is probably the best retro console waiting to be "discovered" by most people beginning to get seriously into the hobby. I'm also a big fan of the MSX, which basically occupies the same slot as a hugely prolific Japanese platform during the 80s that PCE holds for the 90s.

They're not really "underrated" though just obscure to Americans

>>2087663
MSX is overrated as hell and not a console.
PC-88, X1 and FM-7 are far more interesting. Particularly the FM-7 gets no love at all.

>>2087669
>Implying Japanese computers are consoles
>Implying they have anything worth playing for non-perverts

>>2087671
We're all perverts anyway so that point is moot.

Not even a contest

>>2087702
My wife and I bought one of those recently. Her parents were so shocked that the 80's had returned they overdosed on crack brought on by nostalgia for the 80's. They inheritance was pretty good though, and we spent a few thousand of it on hookers and blow, who we made play Mario Kart in beautiful 720p in our hotel room with the loser having to take it up the ass. Thanks Retron!

>>2087452
>>2087454
>>2087473
>tell me why everything decent on this system wasn't a port.
>every exclusive or interesting game was shit
>every remotely good game for the 3DO got a superior Playstation, Saturn, or PC port.

These games were exclusive back when the 3DO came out and were ported to other platforms months or years later, you damn kids.

So what if taking its library into consideration, the 3DO isn't a retro console worth owning nowadays because most of its games have better ports on other platforms (just like the Dreamcast btw). That doesn't take the merits it had on its time.

Saturn and Turbografx are properly underrated consoles, due to being pretty much unheard of in the west and not getting most of the games localized

>>2087762
>That doesn't take the merits it had on its time.

Which were none because you could buy a used car for the same price.

>>2087779
>this

I love my 3DO. I love the enhanced versions of Another World and Flashback especially, along witht he incredible port of Samurai Showdown and the best version of Road Rash, but I know that the system never could have succeeded just based on its price alone.

It was too much technology, all too soon.

>>2087779
Going by your retarded logic the Neo Geo and DOS PCs also don't have any merits, because they too were damn expensive.

>>2087710
You know what was the best thing?
You didn't have to hook up 5 different consoles to your TV or worry about those shady emulator and rom sites to give your PC viruses.
You just plug it in and enjoy your classic game cartridges.

>>2087702
Are there any consoles like this that play the game itself on hardware instead of reading the cart and emulating it?

>>2087876
Yep. Super Nintendo, NES, Genesis. There are tons of them.

>>2087885
Well I was thinking more of a compilation console like the Retron that specifically had hardware to play the games as if it was on one of those real consoles.

>>2087889
Well there are things like the Retro Trio but honestly you'll regret buying them if you ever progress beyond pleb tier in the hobby.

Eh, Saturn is good but not the best.

It's library if pretty much arcade ports and has little to no variety in anything else.
The Dreamcast is much better.

>>2087893
I'm a hardcore game collector, but as soon as I got my Retron 5 via mail, I sold all my old consoles. All those cords and the space they took, I'm happy with my HD retro gaming.

>>2087957
>>2087874
>>2087710
>>2087702

>>2087434
Hey so my 3DO has been having this issue for awhile now, I'm hoping somebody could shed some light on it.
So it works perfectly fine, no issues what so ever
but after playing on it for a solid 3-4 hours FMV videos start to progressively get choppier and the sound repeats itself and glitchs out.
Is this a problem with just age setting in?
Is this heat building up and fucking with it somehow?
Or is it the lazor going bad?
Or is this just simply how it worked?
I have tested this with multiple games and they all do it.

>>2087957
Stop trying to make us genuine RetroN V owners look bad. My wife and I are real gamers, we are very proud of our updated classic - imagine, if you will children, one console supporting the playback of all of your favourite consoles. Mind blowing back in the 90s, and it's just as satisfying now. So please, if you have nothing else to say except tired trolling, don't bother. Probably about 40-45% of /vr/ owns a RetroN V, and love it.

>>2087820
its an inferior version of what the nemo wouldve been. kinda.

>>2087979
Which model? They do have some heat issues, try adding a heatsink.

NO GAEMS, just like every other fucking thing besides maybe the TurboGrafx.

>>2087985
>45% of /vr/ has a RetroN V

>>2087992
err, model in ops pic, just now looked on its bottom and I dont see any model# or anything else to indicate a production run.

>>2087992
here would a heat sink fit? the disk drive sits right on top of the mobo, and the disk drive itself is bumped right up against the case

>>2087671

Night Slave is fucking awesome despite sex scenes.

>>2087434
name a 3DO exclusive that is worth the cost of ownership
>protip: you can't

>>2088014
The heat's gonna mainly come off the power supply. You might try adding a fan on the back. Issues that arise with heavy use then disappear on the next use only to reappear are almost always heat related.

>>2088027
What's wrong with the sex scenes? Chiho looks like a monkey but otherwise they're fine. You can turn them off if they bother you.

>>2088058

What I meant was, the sex scenes aren't needed for the game to be enjoyable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAbkg1Hgi1w

>>2087778
I had both. Also Neo Geo. I had a fucking Lynx back in the day and knew two other people that did, too. But I never had a 3DO nor did I know anyone who has even held a 3DO controller.

>>2087434
thats not a sega saturn

>>2087434
Thanks Trip. Between having to tighten the screws on the controller to make the diagonal buttons work, the inflated price tag and the absolutely abyssmal games, I'd have to say no. Between this, Atari Jaguar and Lynx, it's a race to the bottom.

>>2087663
And not just Americans, the non-Japanese.

>>2088029
Back in 1994, The Need for Speed and Road Rash alone were more than enough reason to cash 700 dollars (about 1000 dollars if you account inflation) for a 3DO.

I did and regret nothing. They were killer apps on a level that doesn't exist today anymore for any platform

Not to mention Samurai Shodown and SSF2T

If you mean today, then it's true that there isn't none.

>>2088524
Road Rash 32bit is GOAT, but it got ported fairly quickly to like 3 other platforms.

>>2087601
>How and where is the PCE underrated?
It was only marketed in Major cities because NEC was under the ludicrous assumption that America and Japan were the same.

There was also the issue of Nintendo being a dick to third parties and not letting them make games for other consoles, which is also why the Master System suffered

>>2087607
Seconding this. The VB gets way too much shit.

>>2088536
NFS and Road Rash took about 18 months to be ported to other platforms, except NFS DOS, released exactly 1 year after the 3DO version

1 year passes by in a blink of an eye today, but back then, 1 year was a lifetime for me, 1 year and a half was practically geological time tier.

The most underrated console is definitely the Atari VCS/2600

VCS threads get shit all over here and the ultimate pleb gauge, eBay also shows that people don't find them to be worth shit.

I believe there are a number of reasons for this. Games are more than just the program. The packaging art, manuals and supplemental materials are all integral parts of the experience and that eludes a lot of modern players. Mainly though, the flood of shovelware that brought Atari down to start with in The Crash is STILL stinking up the system's rep. People paying more for a copy of ET that's been buried for 30 years than for a new condition Swordquest trilogy is proof of that.

The VCS went from ruling the fucking world to being a laughing stock. That's about as underrated as you can get.

>>2089537
amen brother

>>2089543
Amen brother

>>2087778
>Saturn
>unheard of in the west

What kind of rock have you been living under? Yes it's an underrated console in that it has legitimately great titles that were ignored with the Playstation's popularity but it is not unheard of in the west, unless by west you actually mean that one hawaiian island.

>>2087762
>buttmad early 3DO adopter

wasn't that thing over $1000 in today's dollar when it was released?

>>2089537
I disagree. I'd argue that the technology was lacking at the time, given the increasing sophistication of home computers far outpacing what the Atari 2600 could do as the 80s rolled in.

I would argue a larger factor of the video game crash was less the shovelware and more the fact that the backwards compatibility of the 5200 left a lot of people wondering why they dropped a wad of cash on something that didn't play games any better when they plugged their 2600 games in.

Its an impressive piece of tech for 1977, but by 1981 it was wearing out its welcome, and by '83 it was a collecting dust.

>>2089595
The 5200 isn't backwards compatible the 7800 is. The 5200 was a slightly nerfed, cheaper Atari 8-bit computer that got released based on exactly the philosophy you're describing - theoretically 400/600/AT/XT games should have been super easy to port but it didn't really happen.

>Its an impressive piece of tech for 1977, but by 1981 it was wearing out its welcome, and by '83 it was a collecting dust.
Yeah and by 2003 Dreamcasts were collecting dust. You realize you're on /vr/ right? Theoretically we value consoles based on their merit not by comparing them to later consoles and the VCS was the king for many years and got all the good titles during that period.

You're basically the perfect example of the kind of shit talker that underrates the original.

Nobody has brought up Intellivision yet? It had some great games, but it rarely gets discussed.

>>2089658
Obscure and underrated are different.

Coleco Vision is even better but they both generally get the respect they deserve when they do get discussed. They've become obscure enough that people can evaluate them fairly without pre-conceived notions. The VCS's reputation precedes it and then the fact that Intellivision and Coleco Vision are notably more advanced only gives them more cred and further hurts the VCS. Even so-called enthusiasts often just lump them together as gen 2 consoles despite having been released over 5 years apart. Even at the time, Coleco and Mattel had very "Genesis does what Nintendon't" style VCS smearing ads.

Gen 2 was a pretty loose period in gaming history.

>>2089612
Massive fuck up of the 5200 aside (mea culpa), the point of the whole collecting dust bit is that the Atari as a console is more memorable for wearing out it's welcome than for shovelware as far as why it's an underrated console.

It's not even really underrated given the rest of the second generation. It's more like it was king of the beany babies. The cheap price might have less to do with the quality of the console and more to do with nostalgia collectors collecting the console they grew up with, reducing demand for the 2600 on the resale market. It's not really a comparison to anything that came later, but more an observation about the second generation in general.

It's easy to say "well, no one likes the Atari because the shovelware got out of hand", but that kind of misses the point that it wasn't just shovelware at the time, it was shoveltech in general.

I just don't see how the 2600 is underrated when it stands out as THE console from the second generation. Hell, the crash of '83 gets explained in the context of fucking ET and Atari so much you'd think it was all about 1 videogame that broke the camel's back and not the growing pains of the tech industry.

>>2089674
>the 2600 is underrated when it stands out as THE console from the second generation
That's exactly why. Popular opinion right now is that anything before Famicom is unplayable shit and the VCS is its undisputed face that constantly gets spit in.

>>2088082
holy shit that looks so bad

>>2089680
I don't think it gets spit on. It genuinely isn't that interesting. I mean, even from >>2089537 the only positive thing pointed out has been Swordquest. After that it's been recursive bitching about bitching.

On that note, what ARE the really good 2600 games?

>>2089702
Pitfall 2, H.E.R.O., Mountain King, Adventure, Montezuma's Revenge, Alice's Abenteur, River Raid, Keystone Kapers... There are a lot.

>>2089714
Montezuma's Revenge on the VCS is watered down compared to other ports. The SMS port is closest to the original ideas.

>>2089702
> On that note, what ARE the really good 2600 games?
Adventure, Haunted House, Yars Revenge all stand out as fantastic examples of fun games that are still worth playing despite their graphical infidelity. There's also a bunch of decent arcade ports like Centipede, Space Invaders and Missile Command.

>>2087643
You're right that it's a rough console to own. I spend half of my time with mine enjoying the games and the other half trying to make the right eye not fuck up during Wario Land.

>>2087610
this one looks pretty lackluster, I'd give it a shot though.

>>2087619
this one is actually somewhat interesting

>>2087624
nah

>>2087640
>FMV "games"

>>2089537
Yes, the 2600 is underrated. Faggots who claim "The packaging art, manuals and supplemental materials are all integral parts of the experience" just make it worse. It's a primitive system with a lot of shit games. Fortunately it has a some good ones and a few that are still enjoyable today. It is absolutely an impressive piece of tech for 1977 but it 2014. Accept it for what it was/is and be happy if someone will play combat or warlords with you.

>>2089968
>>2087643
An Occulus emulator will happen. Hopefully it'll have filter support to make it less red.

>>2087434
sege genesis joystick

>>2089558
Westerners have heard of it, but most will struggle to name 3 games for the system when pressed.

Shocking when considering the success of the Mega Drive really.

A testament to Sega's woeful ineptitude if anything.

Can someone tell me why people pay $300 for this system? Is the best console version of Samurai Shodown really worth that much?

>>2087434
Underrated is a euphemism for shitty

The Atari 2600 is why we've had people thinking "the high score in XXXX game" is acceptable writing in tv episodes about video game plots for the last 30 years.

>>2090150
Was it impressive in 1977 compared to the Apple II disregarding the price difference?

I'd say the Saturn.

It's constantly the butt of jokes and is widely considered Sega's worst console, despite having a fantastic library, especially if you're into arcade games.

I'd even say it's my second favorite Sega console, and my favorite of the 5th gen.

>>2087897
>It's library if pretty much arcade ports and has little to no variety in anything else.

You just described the Dreamcast.

>>2087434
Virtual Boy.

>>2089976
>this one looks pretty lackluster, I'd give it a shot though.
>this one is actually somewhat interesting
I'm happy to have convinced you to give3DO a spin. Once you grow to appreciate its feel you may decide to try some of the other stuff.

>>2091724
Ehhhhhhh that's really a tough question. It depends on what you were looking for in your games. 2600 had better controllers and as a dedicated gaming console allowed for much faster games using its focused hardware. The Apple II offered higher resolutions and larger/deeper games because of floppy disks, keyboards and 40-character text mode.

The rich kids played more computer games at home and got their action game fix dumping quarters at arcades

>>2089702
Solaris.

>>2091825
That game has cool graphics but it gets boring pretty fast. I wish it had better exploration elements like Star Raiders. Star Raiders 2 delivers pretty good it's just too bad it didn't come out for VCS

Am I misremembering things or did the original NFS for the 3DO have randomized tracks?

>>2087607
This, the hardware was not fucking ready for the task, but the games?

There were only a few games released but Teleroboxer and Wario World were awesome games, Mario Tennis, Jack Bros. and Mario Clash were good, especially for first year games (compare first year Game Boy games)...

>>2088082
>This isn't a game, Lieutenant!

>>2090740
>$300

I paid $100 for my FZ-1, and a friend of mine recently bought the Goldstar model for $80 fromt he same place. Totally worth the price for an interesting piece of gaming history.

PC Engine / Turbografx.

While both have AWESOME games in retrospect, I honestly did not know a single person who owned one "back in the day." I'm 30, so I remember it well.

To be clear, I was fairly sociable, hung out with people who played video games, and had plenty of wealthy friends. But nobody owned a PC Engine.

WHERE DID YOU LEARN TO FLY

The problem with these early 3D systems like the Jaguar and the 3DO is that their 3D games (which along with FMV shit makes up 98% of their library) all run at 15FPS and are almost unplayable.

>>2092963
That isn't true at all. Most Jaguar games are 2d, and many 3dO games are. Many of the 3dO's "3d" games are like Doom, which is has a 3d perspective but isn't graphically 3d.

Amiga CD32
Its an easy answer, because with the adapter this thing can play thousands of Amiga home computer games.

>>2092963
AVGN fanboy detected

>>2093052
Yeah thats a very overlooked feature,the cd-32 is a really sweet piece of kit,you dont even need the adapter you can just have a shit ton of amiga roms on a cd

>>2092751
>But nobody owned a PC Engine
Did you live in Japan?

>>2090721
Those controllers look nice.

>>2087559
>I'd thrown in Amiga CD32, but honestly it has smallish library without exclusives
It has the best game though

>>2088249
MSX 1 was pretty popular in Europe, there are games that only came out in that region ala SMS

>>2093062
>you, too, remember that saying from that one game
>you must have gotten it from some youtuber!

What?