/vr/ - Retro Games

Battle Cruiser FTW

>>2083815
Mammoth Tank

fucking Juggernauts

What would you ask of me?

>>2083954
MY WIFE FOR HIRE

"Thank you for the new shoes!"

>skwee
>kchewkchewkchewkchewkchewkchew

>>2083820
I dont have this level of autism but I do admire it. C&C units have always been a PITA to get exactly positioned in groups.

Does Supreme Commander count as retro? If so, the Ahwassa bomber could always be relied on to crack open the toughest of turtles.

I like em all a lot, so it is hard to choose. But it is definitely something from Homeworld.

>>2084241
>not the sumo dude with the cannon

This thread proves: it's okay when it isn't retro.

Did someone say overpowered?

>>2083815
i raise you this

you could clear a base with 5 or so of these

>>2084279
meant to reply to this>>2084268

>>2084268
nah son.

War Elephants for the fucking win. as much health as a town center and like 10-20 damage?

>>2084253
>not maceman, archer or crossbowman

>>2084312
no

Swordsman or Pikeman perhaps, but not that peasant filth without steel armor

>>2084328
enjoy falling into death pits and getting boiled with oil, disgusting nobleman

>>2084335
what oil? My Horse archers killed all your archers and engineers :^)
>building death pits

>>2084340
>playing crusader

It was great bit i liked slow paced Stronghold more

>mfw someone supports Nod near me

>>2084172
I love this game, wished I could find a working version of it.

My favorite unit is WC2 Death Knight.

Pic related isn't my favorite for use, just my favorite for sentimental/creepiness reasons

>>2084058
Forgot all about that cheatcode/secret/whateveritwas, nice

>>2084279

Activating defense protocol. Defender, Now

> I come to serve

>>2085078
>What ho?
Love the knights. Everything about them feels so right. Nice sprite, good voice work, satisfying attack sounds...can't even put my finger on it, just love the little guys. Too bad that Ogre Magi outdo them, and that's in a game where factions were supposed to by symmetrical

If I went for favorite i.e. the most useful though, that's a hard choice. I guess Chariot Archers from the original AoE, Carriers from Starcraft, Prism Tanks from RA2 and Mud Men from an incredibly obscure Starcraft clone called Primitive Wars (Mud Men are a tier 2 unit for the demon faction who have permanent invisibility, in a game where very few units have truesight and the opponent would most assuredly not have them at the point where you can train Mud Men).

>>2085097

yep. bloodlust broke the game. war2 had ridiculously charismatic units though.

>>2084073
mah nigga

>>2084268
Except when lumbering towards protected balistas, yeah.

>>2084268
>overpowered
>slowest unit in a game where catapults and chariot/horse archers are king

Hellstorm Artillery in Dark Reign

I can't find a picture of one.

Not my favorite, but by far the strongest unit in AOE2

The ultimate unit.

Herbert Gallen (September 15, 1915, Passaic, New Jersey – September 22, 2007) was the American chairman and owner of Ellen Tracy, Inc. for over 50 years until 2002 when it was sold to Liz Claiborne.

>>2085173
I would like know what game this comes from, because bears are AWESOME.

>>2085184
Age of Mythology. It also had a flying purple hippo who attacked with hearts. They're obviously cheat units though.

>>2085190
BEARS

this mofo

Paul Snape is the head coach for the men's soccer program at Butler University.

>>2084350
Me too

>Are we going home?

Sabina Classen (born December 27, 1963 in Aachen as Sabina Hirtz) is a German thrash metal singer, most known as lead vocalist of Holy Moses and Temple of the Absurd.

Fireball. Everyone's dead.

>>2085496
What game is this?

>>2085498
Warwind.

>>2085501
Knew it looked familiar.

The standard Helix from C&C Generals. But since we're on /vr/ I guess I'll add the Zerg Guardian.

squishy but great in large numbers

>>2085510
>RTS

>>2084405
Death Coil was so overpowered. Fuckin' hated being vs Death Knights when I was human.

Hive Frigates are pretty baller; you could use them to fend off most ship types in a pinch, until you get super-capital ships.

>>2085538
You ever turn on resource injections, turn off unit caps, and see how many drone frigates you can field before either your game or your computer crashes? Great sport.

wololo

Goddamn, late 90's RTS' were some of the best games of all time.

Nothing shall stand in their path of destruction

>>2085120
Yeah, it's really a pity. No point playing multi as only one of the races is useful.

Best Inquisitor of any game

Dorf from Myth

Can tactical games come too? Also what are some other games with units that use "math" skills for combat?

>>2085152
>but by far the strongest unit in AOE2
>implying

>>2087949
The only think I can remember off the top of my head is the Sacred Geometry feat from Pathfinder, that allows you to literally do equations at the table in order to empower your spells with math. But that's a tabletop game, not a video game, and not strategy, and doesn't have units...but I think it's nifty.

I guess it's too unique. Unless we venture into the realm of edutainment games where you literally use math to fight everything.

>>2087970
Enjoying this wooden palisades you dirty barbarian? Goths cannot even into stone walls! Byzantium forever!

Everything from Dominion

too bad the game wasn't as great as gnome

>>2088007
mmmm gnome

>>2083820
>>2084279
>>2084398
I came to post these

death to nod terrorists

>Wololo

>>2088026
I loved that game so much. The 4 factions were great, cool setting and everything... Too bad it never continued on.

>>2084054
NO FUCK YOU. YOU WON'T RUSE ME.

>>2084169
Holy shit. I can't tell you much that used to make me crack up.

I love that line so much.

24/7 The thunder will roll

>>2087970

goths can be easily countered with siege, mass hand cannoners/Arbalest or champions. What make them dangerous is their zerg rush, but since they cant use stone walls their TC can be easily raided and with no resources goths are shit. Mangudai can counter any unit in the game, even siege onagers or paladins.

Kirov reporting!

>>2088537
SHOW ME YOUR KIROV REPORTING FACE /VR/

>>2088539

>>2084165
This guy gets it. Something about them was incredibly satisfying to use.

>>2088539
REV UP DOSE CYLINDERS

>no seige tanks=shit thread

>>2088778
>caring about siege tanks when you have goddamn devastators

>Commando from C&C Gold is my favorite RTS unit
>It's incredibly shit most of the time due to the slow infantry killing speed for its cost, inability to engage vehicles, and the fact that it kills itself when attacking buildings.

Real tough guy my ass.

>>2088973
>and the fact that it kills itself when attacking buildings
play OpenRA instead, son

>mfw unloading a chinook full of commandoes into an enemy base and crippling it in seconds

>>2083827
What's the title of that game?

>>2084398
You will know fear.

>No Apocalypse Tanks
These were my babies. Enough of them could take on anything.

>>2089110
Apocalypse tanks always just felt like a less lovable version of mammoth tanks to me.

Still gr8 units tho.

>>2084165
THIS WILL BE A SILENT SPRING

Y'all niggas kidding yourselves.

>I GOT A PRESENT FOR YA
>THAT WAS LEFT HANDED
>KEEP 'EM COMING
>REAL TOUGH GUY
>[MANIACAL LAUGHTER]

thank you based c&c1 commando

>>2089110
o hai

>>2089294
>[MANIACAL LAUGHTER]
I can still fucking hear it

>>2089047
that's KKND Krossfire

>>2089294
Tonya here, commando is a pussy.

>>2083815
I keep seeing the thumbnail in the catalog thinking it's pic related

that is all

I keep seeing AoE2 but not the best AoE2 reskin

SIMONSAYS

>>2084279
>playing nod
>base is half constructed
>soldiers are busting fog
>disruptor rolls into base
>restart mission

>>2089381
>Tonya

It's Tanya, get out of here Soviet scum.

>>2090334
Tanya, Boris, step aside. Superior unit here.

>>2088035
http://www.myinstants.com/instant/wololo/

>>2088778
>>2088781
>implying sonic tank on fastest game speed wasn't the best
shoots further than rocket launchers, can hit multiple things at once, and no distance penalty.

>>2088534
Yeah but what if you're facing a fully boomed Goth? You stand no chance, Huskarls come out of every barracks every 2 seconds and it's just impossible to face them head on (unless you have Teutonic Knights or something).

Mangudai are good but mostly for hitting and running, if you leave them on their own to fight they're just a better cav archer with a bonus vs siege.

>>2084405

Well, today is your lucky day my friend as I present you the miracles of modern computing:
http://zod.sourceforge.net/

>>2090334
RA2 had best waifus

Barrage Craft from KKnD 1/2.

>>2091813
my nigger

>>2085152
>>2087970
>Not 'Pic Related'

Seriously, the Mameluke is, argueably, the best UU of Age of Empires 2

There are really few counters for the mameluke

>Army of Briton Longbow archers and Pikemen
>Mass siege units, such onagers and bombard cannons
>Massive gunpodwer units with meatshild units; such janissares and Conquistadores
>Buildings, such as Castles and Towers; since the mamelukes also behaves like "Ships" (I have no idea why)

Mamelukes can rape the 80% of the things you throw at them
With the proper micro you can kill almost anything you want
Even teutonic knights are not a real counter; since the Mamelukes can attack and pull back; playing the "Cat and Mouse" game with them

The only Solid counter against the Sarracen mameluke; is the new brand 'The Forgotten' Italian unit, the Genovesse crossbowman

Those fuckers annihilate any cavalry on their way

Despite that, the Mamelukes are pretty OP.
The only problem, its their cost; each dead mameluke is a heavy burden for the Sarracen player.

>Allahu akbar, bitches

>>2083815
>'Nice reaver you got there, brotoss'
>*Zooms in* It would be a shame
>*Zooms in more*, again* if a little Ghost decides to...
>*Zoom at his face* Lockdown your Reaver

You will be surpriced how Asian protoss players rage at seeing how they precious Dragon, Reavers, Observers, Carriers and Arbiters army gets locked, and then Nuked.

Man, I miss playing Starcraft

I miss the reaction of my enemies; desperadly trying to find out my 4 Ghosts nuking their bases, at the same time.

Good times.

>>2083815
>>2083815
>'Nice reaver you got there, brotoss'
>*Zooms in* It would be a shame
>*Zooms in more*, again* if a little Ghost decides to...
>*Zoom at his face* Lockdown your Reaver

You will be surpriced how Asian protoss players rage at seeing how they precious Dragon, Reavers, Observers, Carriers and Arbiters army gets locked, and then Nuked.

Man, I miss playing Starcraft

I miss the reaction of my enemies; desperadly trying to find out my 4 Ghosts nuking their bases, at the same time.

Good times.

>>2093109
I still love watching korean BW games, this shit is timeless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s6UG1HQ5qE

>>2083815
Zerglings>>>>>>>>everything

>>2093095

mamelukes have higher attack than mangudais and bonus to rape cavalry, but their shorter range, no pierce armor (easy to kill with mass archers or onagers), higher cost and no counter to long range siege makes them very easily to kill with micro. But yes, they are the strongest ones with mongols. Also playing mongols gives you siege with 1.5x speed, so your mangudais are easier to cover to upcoming siege/archers/infantry.

>>2093756
The high HP of the mamelukes let them soak some damage; but they are still fragile and too precious to risk losing them.

I remenber my first time when I got rekt against a player that massed: Bombard cannons, hand cannoners, champions, pikemen and skirmishers against my mass Mamelukes

I killed most of his army, but my 70 mameluke army was reduced to a puny 10. And when I realized, I run out of gold; and I got bombard cannons knocking at my gates.

Then I realized, that massed Mamelukes are strong, but not strong enough; then I started to create a mixed army.

>Elite mamelukes
>Heavy cavarly archers
>Heavy camels
>Shittons of Hussars

With a companions of Monks and Trebuchets to heal my army, and destroy the enemy towers and castles.

That combo pretty much rape everything; of course it still has issues, but that tactic prove being effective the 70% of the times.

The sarracens are really powerful, maybe too much. Yet, they are not unbeatable.


I also like the "Hit n Run" mongol tactic; I remenber the time I played against a Mongol player.

Fucking light cavalries everywhere

>>2093575
I always found weird, yet amusing the way koreans act to the game; its like a national sport or something.

Also; fear the Spooky Ghost.

>>2093735
I also remenber one cocky zerg player; I played as Protoss (Not really good at it); and I got destroyed by zerglings mass; even using psi-storms.

>"ahahahaah you suck you noob kekekekeke zergling rush kekekeke"
>'I demand a Rematch, I will play as Terran, if you win you will be undoubtly a better player than me
>"ahahahaha okay you noob you will lose"

>Bunkers and Spider mines everywhere
>No turrets? You think you can mutalisk harass me? Say that to my valkiries.
>Zergling mass? No problem; I got a whole army of Marines, Firebats, Ghosts and Medics

I still remenber how the zergling army melted agains my men.

>Scan his base
>Ultralisk cavern
>Nope.jpg
>Drop cloaked Ghosts and a few medics; blind all ovies around
>Nuclear Launch Detected

>Boom goes the Zerg

"fuck you noob"
>Asian player left the game
'gg'

Ending message? Never understimate the destructive power of a Zergling mass; and never understimate the power of the Optical Flare.

>>2094847
That was the beauty of the game, there were so many viable strategies. I tried to get into SC2, campaign was cool but i found multiplayer immensely boring, just fucking deathball spam.

>>2095002
>Deathball
>Google it
Oh... I see

Thats fucking retarded.

Making 'Deathballs' in SC is incredibly stupid; there are so many things that can easily destroy stacked, groupid units

Such as Storms, Reavers, Siege tanks, Irradiate, Psi-Storm, a Lurker offense, Plague.

If you were stupid enough to agroup your units against of one those strategies, you were fucked up.

Well, with the only exception of the Siege tank

>A group of siege tanks
>No air to counter them?
>gg

---
Should I play SC2?
Not for the multiplayer; but for its story and campaign.

I have played SC for almost 10 years and I dont think I have a good first sign for SCII, but I would be an heretic if I didnt try.

In anothing thing

Battle.net is dead
With the exception of the Asian server.

>>2095035
SC2's campaign was fun to play, though certain parts (Namely Zeratul's and the final arc) made me rage pretty hard from bad writing. The rest of the game could be pretty much self contained and the missions and customization is fun.

What do you mean it's not a unit?
I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty-headed animal food trough wiper! I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!

>>2095067
So, in SCII the writers went lazy?
Thats a disappoint ment

>Bring back Stukov
Although Stukov was my favorite character; paired with Fenix; it was quite retarded bring him as infested.

>inb4 Infested Edmund Duke

>>2095068
What the fuck you talking about, lad?

Im also playing Age of Empires 2 HD The forgotten, right now.

50% bad
50% good

It could be better

>>2095073
I was just about to get it and try it out. What did you find wrong about it?

>>2095076
The only thing I found wrong is
>What do you mean it's not a unit
>A castle

its not an unit
Its a building.

>>2095079
I was asking about The Forgotten, not that guy's post.

>>2095073
I wouldn't say just lazy, it's like they tried to take it entirely in a different direction. You could say a lot of Blizzard games held similarities in their stories here and there, but after WoW, everything felt much, much closer to Warcraft in how they handled it.

For example (minor spoilers) SC2 introduces "The Dark Voice" and "The Prophecy" that says there will be a destined villain turned hero that saves the universe against an evil bent on its destruction. I felt like the first game mainly focused on the conflict of the races we had here and now and didn't try to paint the Zerg as some sort of "noble beasts" they're going for now, but rather as a cold, evolutionary force in the universe.

>>2095081
Okay.

The first thing I tried, was the campaign, in the hardest difficulty.

>Bad:
1) No more voiced storytime before/after the mission; just a short text not explain shit about the campaign, nor the historical character, nor the civilization.

2) No voice actors, only texts. Coloured texts. Manually got to click the units in order to make the dialogue progress.

3) General Laziness. On the first mission of the Sforza campaign, the idiotic father of the main character tries to cross a river. You can see the shore, then blue tittles, and then the water. You see the father walking into the blue tittles ('Water') as some sort of mediaval, Italian jesus.
Then the current takes him, but there is no animation for the 'drowing' character; the unit stands completely still as he magically moves down the river, then disappears.
Laziness.

4) Re-used units; at the very first mission of the very first campaign, you could see roman 'Legionaries', that are re-used Age of Empires 1 Legionaries, but with a big, square shield, not the classic AoE 1 legionarie shield.
There is a colisseum, that IS EXACLY THE SAME AS THE ROMAN WONDER OF AoE 1.

That made me so fucking mad.

5) Moments of not mediaval seriousness
>Sforza character talks with the townsfolk
>'Man, there is hay everywhere, I can even-...'
>'Man, there is hay...
>'Man'

Inmediadly killed the atmosphere.

6) And im not sure if its a version or a update or a path; but the pathing is really, really fucking stupid; its even worse than the pathing of The conquerors.
You will see ALL your tradecarts, all 30 of them, conglomerated at one point, blocking eachother, and blocking the gate, getting to no where.
Also, some of your men will magically teleport 'Inside' the trees, leaving them stucked; if you dont bring a villager to chop down the tree, that unit is stucked there, forever and completely defendless.
Some of your units and villagers will take the Longest router to get a certain point.
etc

1/2

>>2095096
>Good:

1) Goth campaign. One of the main civilizations of AoE Finally gets his own campaign. With Alaric the Goth.

2)Vlad 'Tepes' (The impaler) Dracul; aka: Dracula. Magyars/Slav campaign.
An good campaign for an intresting historical campaign.
The third (Bari campaign, An italian city), and the fourth campaign (The italian mercenaries, the Sforza) are completely unknow to me.

3) The scenarios are really well-done, they really put effort on creating the maps. Good shit.

4) They remade the music, really well done also; I think a music track for every historical event/character.
There is a soundtrack that I think its highly related to Dracula, you will realize about it when you list to it.
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jadxTFqyhRM
>3:23

5) New civilizations; the Incas, Indians, Italians, Slavs and Magyards.

As a Sarracen Player (sand nigger); before the Forgotten, in a only UU fight, the mamelukes were pretty OP; the Briton longbowmen barely hold back the mamelukes. The genovece crossbowman is an archer unit that got bonus damage against cavalry
And as a Spanish, gunpowder, trigger happy player, the 'mercenary' (Meaning that, if you have a Italian ally, and if got a castle at the imperial age; you can create them at your barracks) Condottieros, that got extra armor/damage against gunpowder units, such as Spanish Conquistadores, Turkish Janissares and Hand cannoners.

6) 'Cutscenes'. Sometimes in the campaigns you will have cinematic stages, where you just sit down and watch the 500+ men war; wich is pretty epic. (The max poblation is now 500, not 200; which can be silly and laggy, sometimes). I learned a long of things from this cutscenes.

7) 'Minor Historical Details'; if you know about a certain character (For example; Dracula) you can see minor details that are related with the Character story.
>The cutscene of the 2 monks
>The golden cup

>http://dracula.cc/vlad_iii_dracula/tales/

Thats pretty much it.

I might be forgetting something...

>>2095084
>A Villian
>Clearly Sarah Kerrigan

>Redeems herself and tries to be a good infested person
It took a lot of time to 'digest' that plot twist.
Fucking hell, Blizzard...

>Tries to save the universe
This might be intresting.

>'Noble beasts'
>Zergs
Before I inmeadily rage...

>Cold, evolutionary force in the universe.
That actually sounds quite legit, if Sarah is doing the role of the good girl now.
I buy it.

And from the videos, I can see that Jim Raynor and Zeratul went Soft.
Jim Raynor is a nostalgic, burdened space cow-boy.
Zeratul doesnt seem like the dark, fierce warrior that he used to be in the SC lore.

>>2085097

Uhh tried playing primitive wars some time ago... it was really bad. Shitty animation, shitty sounds, everything felt so cludgy.

Managed to go through 2 missions and stopped because I was waiting for some gem in that turd and I came to a conclusion that I'd never find it.

>>2085831
>No point playing multi as only one of the races is useful.
I wouldn't say that. I watched some of the replays of people playing deathmatches and they looked fun.

bump

>>2095169
It's certainly shitty and very cheap, and the campaign was poorly designed so it's not surprising it didn't hook you up. But I still like it because I dunno. It has some sort of weird charm for me. Maybe because it's so obscure and playing it I'm discovering totally uncharted strategies. It's 100% not for everyone though. Objectively a crappy game.

There was even an expansion for it, called The Ranker I think. I literally just found out about it and it polishes up the graphics and probably the gameplay, but I'm trying to wrap my head around the changes because it was only released in Korea and in Korean.

Also I found the whole hunting and experience mechanic pretty neat.

>>2089386
>ok sheep fucker

>>2098380
>Playing SC2
>Not based SC1

>>2098517
It was a joke since that's the wort unit of all time.

Not really retro but ...

>>2098570
I still haven't played the expansion, not after what they did to the Reapers, which were one of the few units I felt like they did a great job on the design.

>>2098574
>that feel when fully upgraded Panzer Grenadiers

More games need to have humble starting units that can get a ton of upgrades to make them minor deities.

>>2098580
Units that exist for the sole purpose of harassment are awful. Fuck reapers and banshees and oracles and all the other nonsense.

>>2098587
Yes, because all units should dig trenches and slug it out between each other in huge mulches in the center of the map.

How's 3v3 fastest map ever 30 minutes no rush treating you?

>>2098604
I can tell you were shit at BW.

>>2099849
back to /v/

>>2099884
Back to the 5th grade.

>>2083815
Reaver is pretty much the cutest thing that has ever been in Starcraft. I'm actually excited for LOTV at the prospect of these qts coming back.

>>2098581
>humble starting units that can get a ton of upgrades to make them minor deities

>>2083815
Reavers were the bane of my existence

>every shot cost money
>enemy isn't going to run out of money any time soon
>destroys all ground units without giving a fuck
>that one Protoss vs Protoss map where your only attacking air force unit is the worst airforce unit in the game

incidentally Dark Templar
they seem useless at first, but they're pretty good at recon and assassination (basically they look and act like ninjas).

That and Urban Cohorts, they just rape everything

>>2088034
remove candy kane

>>2084268
>these things rape everything they touch
>if they can touch them

nah they're pretty balanced
they're the SSB Ganondorf of AoE

>that one mission where I had to defeat the enemy with only this motherfucker

best mission

>>2100219
Candy Kane you say?

>>2084405
loved necromancers in WCIII

pretty much wanted to play the undead just to use them

>>2085274
For some reason these guys and Taurens have a tendency to just die constantly in my teams (still love them)

>What should have been

>>2088604
they gave me nightmares in the past

>>2094847
why are medics so awesome?

>>2095084
It's warcraft's orcs all over again

Gotta love terror drones.

>>2100215
>tfw I win multiple time by Scouts micro, disruption web and storms; lots of storms

I was unstopable

>>2100113
Those more make me rage with how broken commissars were on their creation. You know, back when attaching them to a guardsman squad made them outfight anyone else in melee due to never breaking morale and damage bonuses.

GUYS, SEVEN KINGDOMS 2 IS ON STEAM GREENLIGHT
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, HELP IT
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=324734478
also, the rock monster faction (gorkens?)

>>2084253
>>2084312
>>2084328
>not Arbian Swordsman

bump

Dark Templar nigguh

>>2103821
>Not Dark Archoon

>>2093095
I wasn't overly a huge fan of the Genovesse Crossbowman, the Condottiero is kind of interesting though, being some kind of bizzarro infantry having defense against specialized anti-infantry units.

>>2095121
That's for sure. I cringed when he said "friend Raynor". There was something about it that really put me off.

>>2104362
>anti-infantry unit
Such the janissares, cataphracts and incan Singlers?
They are good at raping Conquitadores, tho.
>>2104398
>Friend Raynor
Literally what

>>2104424
>Such the janissares, cataphracts and incan Singlers?

According to this guide, it's just 10 bonus defense from anti-infantry damage in general, with 10 bonus damage against any gunpowder unit. I might try it out for myself in the scenario editor.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=191310499

Lot of handy stuff in there, like how Camels and Petards are in the same class as ships and take bonus damage from tower and castle defenses.

>>2104428
>Camels and Petards

And you forgot the Mamelukes

As Sarracen player, Mamelukes melt against towers and castles

But against TCs.

>>2104451
Mamelukes are practically camels, though.

Otherwise they're pretty good I guess, that fucking unique tech for Slavic infantry though is fucking nuts in mass battles

>>2104456
Mass elite zealot mamelukes pretty much destroys any melee unit, including infantry.

I have beaten so easy Goth and Slav, infantry-mass players.

The heavy zeal camel can work as a meatshield, while the mameluke does the real damage; plus throwing some heavy cavalry archers to support the mamelukes.

And never forget to add a good amount of light cavalry/Husar to your army; you have no excuse to not do so.

The problem starts to show; when lots of strong archers (Such british longbowmen and Chinese Chu-No-Ku) enters in the battlefield; even more of gunpowder joins the combat

Hand cannoners, onagers, Bombard cannon and the Janissares pretty much damages the mamelukes. The conquistador does a decent damage, but it's countered since its also a cavalry unit.

So, in this expansion, the mamelukes quit being OP.

Thats good, it adds more flavour to the battle.

>The villagers will only collect food from the farms, only by roaming on the middle, left side of the farm.

That just blew my mind

>>2104496
According to a ZeroEmpires video on what he thinks are the best civs, apparently the Aztecs also get a hidden farming bonus, but I have never seen anything about it elsewhere on the internet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq3xDMXtXnc

0:36 - 0:48

>>2104547
Im a little troubled that the Saracens are not on the list.

But then I realize, though their military is strong; their economy doesnt outstand, at all; plus the mamelukes and monks are really, gold costing.

Same thing occurs with the turks, they are good, but if you have the resources for it.

I think Zero tried to show the most 'versatile' civilizations; which, indeed makes them good too.

>>2104583
I believe he may be talking about competitive 1v1 scenarios, which he does start off saying in his Worst 5 civs. ZeroEmpires actually does mention Saracens in that same video, explaining that their economy isn't so flash.

Nobody from Forgotten Empires gets mentioned, people actually barely play it. Given the balance adjustments it also makes, I wonder what Top/Worst 5 in 1v1s would be like.

>>2104594
Im finding The Forgotten quite difficult to play; atleast for those damm pathing bugs

>>2104607
Try playing the original mod, it lacks some balance adjustments (like Tracking/Squires having the same food costs as AoC) but otherwise has features UserPatch introduced as well as multiple AI types that are overall much more harsh than the Conquerors' own.

>>2104624
Also, although its somewhat better than the Conquerors; the Forgotten AI still is pretty much retarded

tried to do a 1vs1 hardest difficulty AI; the Ai keep solding archers against my Galleons...

Kept sending wall-repairing villagers against my mamelukes

Sure they can be nasty sometimes; but its not that outstanding....

>>2104637
>the AI kept sending archers against my Galleons*

>>2083815
Be careful, she's fragile.

>>2104821
>Fragile

Energies of light!

Most OP unit. I go for these every time.

My winning strategy is gnomes, rangers, rogues, paladins, healers, monks, and wizards. I'm not sure how to get elves. I forgot. I think elves hate gnomes and dwarves though. I can't pass up gnomes, they are way too helpful since they repair buildings so fast. Elves are mediocre anyway.

>>2088393
How do you feel about the Vulcan in comparison?

2 reasons
1) based as fuck
2) used to play that custom poker game that was dope as fuck

>>2106057
Mother fucking Poker D. I still host a game every now and again. Definitely preferred the version where you fuse two dark templars to change cards. So much faster.

It's tough to find the old classic versions. The one everyone plays now is awful. The entire game went from trying to get the best poker hands to just knowing the "secrets" of the map.

>>2106067
I lost my Brood War disc last year and never really bought it again, but this really makes me want to buy it.
I remember spending all day on Tar Pit Defense, Poker D and stupid shit like Kill Me.
My dad loves SC and it was a great bonding experience.

This thread needs more Prism Tanks.

>>2084279
My 2nd-favorite after the Prism tank.

>>2106057
>>2106067
>>2106074
My-fucking-niggers

I still cant believe most of Battle.net portals are dead. USeast barely living, Europe and West is clearly dead; and the asian server....

Lets not talk about the asian server

One of my favorite games was the "Cat and Mouse" series; the Zombie RPGs ones, and the RPGs itself.

I still many RPGs on my special map folders.

>>2106067
>knowing the "secrets" of the map.

>School Days RPG
>Hang out in class selection until everyone made their choice
>Carefully bring my Civ over between a couple beacons and behind them
>Secret class

>>2084084
Peewee strong.

>>2106216
>School Days RPG

I cant recall if I played that one..

By the way, what were your nicknames on Starcraft?

mine was "Ghostmaster"

>>2089110
Anything except their cost in any standard tank.

Oh, and mirage tanks or prism tanks.

Oh, and anything Yuri had.

Only thing they weren't shit against compared to Rhinos were buildings (not by much) and air armadas (didn't exist in any standard gametype)

>>2098604
Yeah, you don't know shit.

There were no dedicated harass units in BW. Firebats, Reavers, Mutas, Vultures, all were extremely flexible units by themselves.

Any unit with less than three distinct uses is a poorly designed unit. This goes for miners and builders as well.

"Boris has arrived." Need I say more?

>>2106742
why this nigger never swim?

Y'all niggas need to fire it up in this bitch!

>>2107586
Game balance. He'd be overpowered otherwise. His AK-47 one-shots all infantry, does ridiculous damage on tanks, an shoots pretty fast. I don't think any land unit can take him 1v1 once he goes elite.

One railgun not doing it for you? How about three?

>>2105331
Based Warriors of Discord were here, Paladins a sluts

>>2107651
The fuck is this even?

>>2107713
A UMS map.

>>2107729
Well, duh. I don't remember the standard map editor letting you change attack types and projectiles like that though.

>>2107651
What the fuck is this shit

>>2107734
Not even the SCMdraft creators could do that

Not firebats throwing missiles.

Standar map editor is for newbies

>>2089271
SCORCHED
EARTH

How is this dude not the best unit in AoE2?

No other unit can constantly poke the enemy as much as these guys.

>>2108835
>Outranges castles
>Ally yourself with a Saracen and you will have an human, long range siege army

Starcraft fun facts:

>You will not be alarmed if your unit gets 1 hitted; such as DT harass your drones/probes; or getting sniped by reavers or tanks

> SCV > Drone > Probe

>'Hovering' units are, like its name say; 'hovering' over the ground, therefore not triggering the spider mines; the hover units are: All workers, vultures, Archoons and Dark Archoons

>There are different classes of attacks and sizes

>Big sized units; Ultralisk, Archoon, Reaver, Dragoon, Goliat, Tank, Lurker, Dark Archoon, Battlecruisers, Devourers, Guardians, Carriers, Arbiters and many etcs (Also buildings)
>Medium units; Hydralisk, Vulture, Corsair, Defiler.
>Small units; All workers, All Terran Infantry, Zealots, Dark and High templars; Zerglings, Infested Terrans, broodlings, etc (Critters are small sized, even the Kakaru)

>Normal attacks; that causes 100% damage against any unit
>Marines, Zealots, Zerglings, Dark Templars, Archoons, Ultralisks, etc deal Normal damage

>Explosive damage; that causes 100% damage against Big units, 75% against medium, and 50% against small
>Hydralisks, Tanks, Dragoons, Arbiters, Goliath air attack, Scout air attack, etc deal Explosive damage

>Concussive damage; that causes 100% against small units, 50% against medium, 25% against big

>Protoss Shields recieve 100% damage from all sources

>Hallucinated units recieve x2 damage from all sources; with the Hallucination and Shield damage bonus, this explain why Hallucinated Archoons doesnt last a shit on the battlefield

>Ensare reduces speed's unit speed AND it reduces its fire speed in 50%; this is why Ensaring stimmed marines is so crucial

>Devour acid spores makes the target to take extra damage, by the amount of spores stacked on that unit; and each spore will reduce target's fire speed a 10%; 9 spores will reduce their fire speed a 90%; rendering them almost useless.

>Irradiate deals 175 damage; 165 damage if the unit its shielded or if its a Zerg, due Shields, HP regeneration

Continue.

>>2108923
>Storm deals 125 damage

>Plague deals 295 damage; only HP

>Mutalisks are small sized; this might explain why Scouts, Wraiths, Goliaths, Dragoons and Hydralisks are not so effective as normally thought; Ghosts excels on taking down Mutalisks.

>Terran Infesteds got a "Ground Attack"; just by simply ordering the Infested to attack a certain place; and it will detonate. This is useful against Cloaked Ghosts, Dark Templars and burrowed units.

>Disruptive Web wont prevent an infested from detonating inside of it; But it will prevent a spider mine to detonate.

>Doesnt matter if you matrix an 1 hp unit; it will die as soon it gets hitted, even by a 1 damage unit.

>You can EMP buildings to take out their energy; such as Battery Shields and Terran Comsat station

>EMP a Nuke right before nuke iit; and it will die with 1 strike, most of protoss buildings, when shieldless, wont be able to bystand a Nuclear Strike

>Nuke deals 100 damage against buildings.

>There are no spefied numbers; but Nuke does reduced damage to Units
>From the most to the least damaged; Big > Medium > Small
>Burrowing actually reduces nuke damage

>Cloak your Ghosts before load them inside your dropship; therefore landing already Cloaked; take note that the Ghost will be consuming its energy even inside the dropship

>Stasised Cloaked Ghost will regenerate energy

>Stasis a merging archoon; and then you will have an 'Ice cube Archoon'

>Workers inside Gas buildings will survive a nuke, even if the building gets destroyed on the nuke; they will just pop up outside the vespene geyser, and be like "Hey, what just happened?"

>Burrow a Zerg, or Siege a tank underneath a landing Terran building, and it will die; same thing with flying, attacking interceptors.

>The Zerg Egg its the Zerg Unit that cant regenerate

>Stimmed Marines and Firebats will shot faster, even inside bunkers; this is why to stim your marines right before an enemy attack.

I will be back, in some hours.

>>2108835
Pretty much all of AoK's uniques were great, but the longbowman was GOAT

>>2108961
When you come back, please start spelling "archon" correctly.

>>2109046
Fuck

>>2108961
>>2108923
Thanks for sharing these, cool stuff. All the background stats going on behind the scenes in starcraft continues to baffle me even after so long.

Since this is a general RTS thread can I ask what the hell "ES" in the first tutorial mission from AoE means?

>>2085152
Fully upgraded, they outrange castles and a group of 15 can kill anything with a single volley.

>>2108835
My nigga

>>2109673
Ensemble Studios

>>2109673
is that Chen?

>>2108961
>The SCV is the unique unit that can be maelstormed and locked

>Instead of irradiate enemy units; irradiate terran fliers (or just another vessel) and hover them the enemy workers; the irradiate damage will splash all the enemy workers on the mineral; killing them all.

>The Terran is the only race with Concussive damage units

>You can infest a greatly damaged Terran Command Center (Yellow/Red HP); while a Queen selected, right-click on the damaged CC and the Queen will proceed to infest the CC. She also does is automately, just place her next to CC and she will infest it.

>Larvas and Eggs (But not Lurker egg, nor the coccon) are inmune to Irradiate

>Maelstorm or Stasis zerg eggs will pause their hatching

>There are units that hit 2 times with 1 attack.
>The Zealot
>The Goliath air attack
>Scout and wraith air attack
>The Firebat (?)
>It means, there are 2 hits at the same time; they work individually; meaning that, if you got a zealot with 100 damage; and make him attack a, for example; a zergling with 50 armor; the zealot will deal just 2 hp damage per attack. This is why, as Zerg; getting armor upgrades against Protoss is really important.
>If the zergling got 100 armor; each zealot hit will cause 0.5 damage; causing a total of 1 damage per attack.

>Swarmed burrowed zergs will practically take NO damage against Siege tank fire; not at all. So swarming your burrowed lurkers against tank will save them.

>If you move a marine and a SCV together, then if you make then stop when you see a Zergling incoming; make the Marine dance around the SCV while he is being chased by the Zergling, the SCV will automately attack the Zergling, killing it.

>You can recall Tanks in Siege mode; this is why, as Terran, you NEVER (and repeat) NEVER let a Protoss Mind Control one of your workers.

>The fastest unit on Starcraft is not the vulture, its not the scarab, its not the spider mine; its the Nuclear Missile.

cont.

>>2109787
>There are differences, advantages and disadvantages for each normal unit and hero unit:

>Hero Hydralisk (Hunter Killer) shoots further than the Normal Hydralisk
>Hero Dragoon (Fenix) shoots faster than the Normal Dragoon
>Hero Scout (Mojo, not Artanis) moves faster than the Normal Scout
>Hero Vulture (Jim Raynor as Vulture) shoots faster than the Normal Vulture
>Hero Battlecruiser (The Hyperion) shoots faster than the Normal Battlecruiser

>Normal Ghost shoots further than the Hero Ghosts (a difference of +1 range); plus Ghosts got bigger range of vision; if researched occular implants.
>This explains why, in all 'Sniper' games, the playable unit is a Normal Ghost, not the Hero Ghost.
>Normal Goliath air attack shoots further than the Hero Goliath (Alan Schezar); if upgraded (by a difference of +1 range).

>And there are, strange cases.

>There are 3 kind of Dark Templars; Normal Dark Templar, Hero Dark Templar (The ones which appeared on the Starcraf Campaign [not Broodwar]) and Zeratul.

>Zeratul got attacks faster, in comparison with the Normal and Hero Dark Templar. Making it a good fighter unit.
>The Normal Dark Templar moves faster than the Hero Dark Templar and Zeratul. Making it a good 'hit-n-run', harass unit
>The Hero Dark Templar moves slowler than the Normal DT; and attacks slower than Zeratul

>If you engage normals units; they will quit chasing you, if you run out of line of sight
>But the Hero units will keep chasing you, until you die; or until the chaser dies. Abilities like Cloak, Burrow, Recall will make the pursuer stop. Same thing happens if you enter in a Bunker or a Transport unit.

>>2109830
>The Swarm will give all enemy range attacks a 100% chance of 'miss'; but units with splash attack can still damage your units.
>The direct attack of the Siege tank will not damage you; but its splash damage will; the splash damage its half of the total damage; plus the damage penalty of the type of attack the enemy has (Concussive, Normal or Explosive), and the size of the attacked unit.

>A swarmed, unburrowed Zergling, with 0 armor and 100 hp; being attacked by a 100 damage siege tank; will deal 25 damage against the Zergling.
>100 (siege tank damage) / 2 (Damage penalty for attacking a swarmed unit) = 50 total splash damage. 50 damaged reduced a 50% (Siege tank attack is explosive; and the Zergling is a small sized unit) = 25 total damage dealt
> 100 / 2 = 50. 50% of 50 = 25

>A swarmed, unburrowed Hydralisk, with 0 armor and 100 hp; being attacked by a 100 damage siege tank; will deal 37,5 damage against the Hydralisk
> 100 / 2 = 50. 75% of 50 (50 x 75 / 100) = 37,5 total damage dealt

>A swarmed Ultralisk, with 0 armor and 100 hp; being attacked by a 100 damage siege tank; will deal 50 damage; the siege tank suffers no damage penalty, because his explosive attacks deals 100% damage against big units; The ultralisk is a big unit.

>a 100 damage Archon will always cause 50 splash damage against any swarmed unit
>Using swarm against reavers is a bad choice, since the Reaver throws Scarabs, which at enemy contact, they detonate; the Scarabs can be classified as Normal, Melee, Splash damage units.
>The firebat ignores the swarm effect. This is why you send Firebats against swarmed Zerglings
>The spider mine ignores the swarm effect. Exacly the same as the Scarab.
>The lurker ignores the swarm effect
>The Infested Terran ignores the swarm effect

>>2109861
>Ai spellcasters will NEVER cast 'deadly spells' (Such as Broodling and Mind Control) against human players Hero units; so dont fear to send your hero goliath against an enemy Ai Dark Archon, for example.

>You can parasite Critters (Better if those are Kakarus), and let them do the scout for you; or atleast warn you for incoming enemy units.

>You can 'dodge' enemy projectiles (for example: Dragoon, arbiter attack) and projectile spells (Such as Lockdown, Broodling, Yamato, EMP) if you load your attacked, ground unit inside a transport or building; if its get Stasised, or recalled away.

>There are 3 'unspawnable' units on Starcraft; Dugalle and Mengsk (both Hero battlecruisers) and Aldaris (an Hero High Templar that can attack; like Tassadar); you cant spawn more of them by triggers; you only can create by place them on the initial scenario.
>This is why you dont try to kill unspawnable units, since, once they are gone, you cant spawn more of them, during the game.

>>2109890
>You can make units 'jump' unmobile buildings, just by land any flying Terran building next to the unmobile building (Depo, Armory, Academy, any addon; any building). Right before the flying building lands, place the unit underneath it, the building will 'land on it'; but it wont kill it; the unit will be 'stacked' inside the building, and it will automately try to walk away from the building; you can 'control' it movement, by spamming click on the desired direction; and by getting lucky; because not always the unit will move when you want it to move.
>If you land it next to, for example; an armory, your unit will try to 'jump' building and armory; successfully 'jumping the wall' without the need of destroying it, nor using any kind of transport nor relocation.

>This technic was really used in the 'Undead' games; were the human player, starting with a civilian that must survive, must run away from the temporally imprisoned 'Infected' player, with enough time, resources, patience and luck; the civilian can jump a strong wall, making the civilian reach the other side of a location, generally a 'Base location'; the human can just hide his Civilian, hide his Command Center and hide his SCV (Or just sending him away from the Base location), once the 'Infected' player is free to roam the map and to spread terror and destruction; the Infected will never notice the human player hiding away; because he will be too busy hunting down other human players that did not jump a wall, therefore risking themselves to be killed by the Infected (Generally, right after the infected is free, he will spawn shittons and shittons of Zerglings, and then spread them all around the map; finding, tracking and hunting down all exposed human players)
>This will give the hiding human player the chance to set a Base, to upgrade and make a human army, then counter-attack.

End of my dumping.
For now.

>>2106057
>>2106067
Battle Net tower defense games were the shit mane

>Stacking dozens of plasma cannons ontop of one another was fucking great.


My choice would have to be the GI's from Red Alert 2

Why?

>Build Airforce base

>Use the paratrooper function to flood my base with hundreds of GI's

>Make them all entrench

>Any attack on my base gets wiped out at the cost of a few soldiers

>Once I had a shit ton of guys I'd run them all into the enemy base

>D-day landing-like sort of chaos ensues

>Make my soldiers entrench as they enter the enemy base

>Enemy base destroyed in seconds

A close runner up would be Protoss carriers.

>>2109913
>Stack photon cannons
>Everything is okay until the bug and they stop attacking

I never liked Stacking photon cannons.

Lurkers, Siege tanks defense is the correct way.

The only one of the "commando" style units from the C&C series I ever felt the need to use regularly.

>>2109919
don't tell me you didn't liked Yuri clones/Prime

>>2109919
Yep, painting targets for the MiGs was just so much damn fun. It's kind of funny that he was just there to replace yuri for the soviets, all the other hero units were actual characters in the story but they didn't even put him in the FMV. Being good made up for that.

>>2109046
relax

>>2110192
>don't tell me you didn't liked Yuri clones/Prime

They were only fun until they came up on one single chaos drone.

When it comes to starcraft. The first UMS map I really remember playing that was user created was 'a day at school' Anyone remember this one? Fuck I miss the UMS days of starcraft, just legendary. HGMA defense was awesome.

>>2110229
Been playing Starcraft for 10 fucking years and other RTS doesnt seem to fulfill all my demands.

>'a day at school'
Im sure I played that game, but I cant recall it.

>HGMA defense
Marines and Ghosts all the way long

I miss playing maps like:

1)The Undead
2)Zombie Attack
3)Phantom BGH
>tfw I was a good friend of the original Phantom BGH creator and his circle of good friends
>tfw he wrote on his profile 'offline for an undefinely amount of time'
>tfw offline for 2 months and counting
4) Sunken Defense
5) Poker Defense (Hero Marines best units)
6) RPGs
7) Impossible games
8) Cat 'n' Mouse
9) Desert Strike
10) Diplomacy games


And with those, you got like the 75% Starcraft community in those games

>>2109905
I can't believe how many of those I have never heard of before. Great posts, anon.

>>2108961
Last time I play sc1 nukes did 2/3 of a buildings total life in damage, making it easy to kill toss buildings by emping them and following up with a nuke

>>2110784
500 damage or 2/3 of HP.

>>2109673
>POMF=3

>>2110192
Nah. While they could be devastating, they were simply too fragile.

I wish i remember the name of a RTS i used to play. It was about 4 alien races fighting over something retarded and every unit was as big as a truck and painted with fluorecent colors

>>2112443
Cant help you with that one.

Also, what the fuck with this captcha?

bump

Tiberian Sun disc thrower, that little fucker was awesome

>>2108835
>>2109707

>>2116305
Sometimes overshot/undershot the target with elevation though

>>2116704
I love how these could fuck up defensive strategy.

Using trees as a natural barricade? NOT ANYMORE

>>2116764

siege onagers a game-breaking units. Also cutting trees should have been a tech for all civs on Imperial Age.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5IobgdPKhc

FOREEN DEVILS!

CHINA IS UNDER ATTACK!

CHINA'S RAWKET SOLDIER!

>Reinforcements have arrived.

Last bump for a dead thread

>>2109830
I knew Mojo was better than Artanis

>>2119197
in terms of game mechanic, Mojo is better than him.

Anything besides game mechanic can be modified

You can modiffy Mojo to have 1 hp 0 armor and 0 attack; and modify artanis to have 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 hp and damage

But the are worse things than that

I have seen negative HPs

Those units are unkillable.

>>2119197
everything is better than that whiny fag

>>2088604

>>2119332
kek

DK1 Mistress
You want lightning? Or lightning? How about some lightning?

Zug Zug

that's a nice mammoth tank you have there

>>2120295
it would be a shame if something...

>>2120296
happened to it

>>2120295
>>2120296
>>2120297
Cool laser, bro.

>>2120350
fuck you

>>2120295
>>2120296
>>2120297
>>2120350
>>2120353

>>2120067
God that dude looks like a complete retard

>>2106120
disgusting

Just popping in to say to

>>2109787
>>2108923

Firebats actually hit THREE times for every attack. For the basic firebat attack it goes something like 6,6,4 damage. In other words, armor is three times as effective against firebats (as it is twice as effective against units that hit twice that you listed).

Vultures, Ghosts, and Firebats all do Concussive damage, and are the only units that do concussive damage.

>>2120928
Also, nukes don't always do 100 damage to buildings. If I recall correctly, they either do 66% of a building's health points or 100 damage, whichever is higher. So small buildings will be completely destroyed, and very high buildings will simply go to 1/3 HP.

Note that this means that EVERY building that gets nuked that's Terran will start "burning down" (as this starts at 1/3 HP)

>>2120928
i always loved these secret mechanics in starcraft, i don't think any other game emulated them so well

>Though Egil and his men bristled with javelins their charge did not falter, and they fell upon the Hollow Men with such ferocity that even the Thrall seemed to be frozen with horror.
These fuckers were fast.

>>2120928
>>2120932

This shit is why i love watching starcraft pro games. It has more action than a fucking FPS

Also, dem commentators

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef5w4S-poLg

>>2116305
Very handy in the campaign mode, as they can actually outrange Nod laser turrets (you have to manually target the ground just a little in front of the turret).

On the other hand, they'll make you rage during the early missions of the Nod campaign before you have efficient ways to deal with them.

>read this whole thread
IVAN'S NOT HOME

Remember the Hovercraft you could fit 12 dudes in?

>OH NO IT GETS BETTER

>Train 20 (TWENTY) dudes.
>Slap an Ivan explosive on each one's ass. (TIME THIS SHIT CAREFULLY)
>load 5 dudes into 1 (ONE) Flak Track
>Repeat this until you have 4 (FOUR) Flak Tracks each containing 5 dudes.
>Slap and Ivan explosive on each Flak Track and load them into the Hovercraft

You now have 4+20 Ivan explosives that go off when shit starts unloading.

I swear this thing could 1hk a con yard. And leave a permanent ticking sound glitch on the map.

>>2122118

>>2084084
I heard my little bro was in here--
There he is!

>generates illusions that deal actual damage
Obliterate the enemy base with forty Minotaurs for the price of one!

>>2122323
I need to replay that game

>>2122323
Also, book fans will probably want to lynch me (har har), but Emperor had the best Sardaukar. In fact, I think they were considered the most blatantly OP of all sub-Houses back in the day when multiplayer wasn't ded.

Most patriotic unit ever

i love the smell of napalm

>>2122169

>>2120928
That explains a lot shit; sometimes when I play I try to analize and re-act the possible scenario

An armored ling, strong but not enough to kill my hero firebat, by my calculus my firebat should win.
The armored ling wins; there was something wrong with my calculus; or something that I did not know (which was unprobable), but oh boy learn something new everyday, even for a SC veteran.

>>2120932
I need to test that
I buddy of mine, a map maker; could manipulate the Nuke damage, by modfiying its cost; the more expensive, the most deadly was the nuke. I also need to verify that.

Also, he could boost Psi-Storm damage, dealing 750 damage instead of 125.

>>2121429
I always though Im a weird man
Then I see korean players and korean people
Then I realize im quite normal, compared with them

Its like a national sport for them
Gotta love dhem comments and cheering public

Also

> Macro > Micro

I know this truth
Zerg players defeat Terran players only because Zerg players tend to have a best Macro, than Terrans

>>2123154
Gotta love that guy

>>2123595
Teutonic knights are utterly useless against experienced players.

They will never let them engage their melee units; they will keep shot and retreating, shot and retreating. Ad infinitum.

This is why you dont see (Well, atleast I dont) TK being used; same with Persian war elephants.

Use to love rushing carriers.

>>2124021
>Liking to be spored by devourers, ensared by queens, plagued by defilers and utterly rushed by swarmed hydralisks

>Liking to be locked, sniped by goliats, EMP'd by vessels, then Yamato'd by BCs; also wraith harass helps too.

>Liking to be stormed, mind controled, massed by scouts, splashed by archons, massed by goons, or just Stasis'd

I also like to Nuke the carriers

I nuke the main Protoss bases, but that nuke is a diversion
While the Protoss player is looking for my cloaked ghost inside his base; I cast a second nuke on the carrier fleet, since they are flying units, they cover and hide the nuke dot.
The protoss player will never know that Im nuking his carriers

And when he realizes

Its too late

Guaraanted RageQuit

I love the feel when I nuke 10 carriers; when they explode, and when I get massively insulted, and when the protoss players leaves the game

Good feel
I miss that feel

>>2119332
hey I liked Artanis

just not as much as Mojo

>>2124038
yeah but when against AI it's satisfactory raping everything with invisible locus.

>>2108923
>>Irradiate deals 175 damage; 165 damage if the unit its shielded or if its a Zerg, due Shields, HP regeneration
Why would shields matter?
I thought it only affected the HP.

>>2108961
>>Burrow a Zerg, or Siege a tank underneath a landing Terran building, and it will die; same thing with flying, attacking interceptors.
What?
I'm not even understanding what you're saying here.

>>2124279
Until they scan or bring an observer and start to feedback the wraiths

>>2124285
Irradiate also affects shields
Yes it does.
Irradiate damages the shields, THEN the HP.
You might be thinking of the Plague, that only affects HP.

You can make a protoss unit survive if you keep recharging its shield with a shield battery

its a good way to save the an irradiated High Templar from his doom, without the need of merging an archon, nor need to stasis the High Templar

>>2124290
Sorry for my awful english
>Burrow a Zerg, or Siege a tank underneath a landing Terran building, and they will die.
Only because those units (The burrowed Zerg and the Siege mode Tank)cant move, they get 'crushed'

If you ever got attacked by a Carrier, try to lift and land your Terran building, somehow they Terran building manages to 'crush' the protoss interceptor.

Its strange.

Terrans: Siege Tanks
Zerg: Hydralisks
Protoss: edge Templars

Everyone else who doesn't agree is capitalist scum.

>>2089367
>>2089047
>>2083827
I spent years wondering what the title of that game was, then I stumble on to /vr/ and find out in less than a minute.

Neat.

As for the thread topic, I have a soft spot for the SC1 goliath, but its gotta be the Commando in C&C. Those missions where you were given one commando and told to take out a base or some shit, so good.

>I got a present for ya!
>I got a present for ya!
>I got a present for ya!

>>2124694
Goliath is too underrated, i love that mechwarrior wannabe fucker

>>2125143
GOLIATH, FRIEND TO SIEGE TANK
GOLIATH, MELTER OF BATTLECRUISERS
GOLIATH, EXPLODER OF OVERLORDS
GOLIATH, WADDLER OF CUTEST STRIDE

hallowed be thy name

>>2126168
>tfw no badass goliat to drive with

>>2089386

My nigga

>>2083815

>>2106225
>>2122206
>>2088393

favorite Arm tank here

>>2085541

Speaking of HW1 units, if my favorite unit wasn't the Salvage Corvette, it was definitely the Missile Destroyer. Fucks up pretty much anything smaller than a frigate, and then there's EMPTY THE CANISTERS.

What makes me sad is that some of the special abilities of certain ships in HW1 (Heavy Corvette burst fire, EMPTY THE CANISTERS) were not retained by their Cataclysm counterparts.

Lovely base you have there. Would be a shame if a volcano grew out of it

>1v1 Night Elf Player
>He makes 100 Dryads
>I have 12 noble knights with fully upgraded armor
>He didn't bother upgrading shit

I slaughtered them just like how the Spanish must have decimated the Aztecs.

Mazzarin, from the "Mazzarins Demise" mod for Myth: TFL.

>>2125143
>>2126168
>dat one mission where to steal Goliaths

>>2129952
Hell yeah, the missile dump was awesome. Did a damn good job of killing frigates and smacking up other capships.

>>2130372
>tfw got to kill Stukov
>turns out he was the good guy and Duran was the bad guy
>Stukov last breath speech

I teared up a little, when I was a kid.

Feels, right there.

>>2129995
>bragging about win against 13 year old that cannot micro

>>2084279
Hell yeah, Tiberian sun Disruptor tanks. Making even the hardest difficulty fun and easy.

>>2095121
You gotta remember that after the events of SC1 and brood war, Raynor just wanted some peace and quiet. He had a chance to save his friend in Wings of Liberty, so he picks up the mantle of the tragic hero. This continues on in Heart of the swarm. As for Zeratul, what tears him apart the most was all the civil conflict between the protoss people. Basically space-communists in the original SC and brood war, with Aldaris running the show. In SC2 he is tired of everything, of all the fighting. But he knows his job is not yet complete. The death of Raszagal still hangs heavily upon him too, and the fact that it was Kerrigan's fault for her demise, and now he has to trust her to stop the greatest re-awakening threat to the galaxy. Granted yes, it's edgy, and poor on blizzard's part, but that's really the only way it could have gone if they made a Starcraft II.

>>2130797
>but that's really the only way it could have gone if they made a Starcraft II.

No, if Blizzard wanted to bring back the Hybrid/Xel'Naga then they had no reason to turn Kerrigan from THE QUEEN BITCH OF THE UNIVERSE to a broken little girl with feelings for Raynor, they could've just brought the evil naga back and attacked Kerrigan or have her try and race you for the parts of XelNaga relic to combat the Dark One, that would've been more interesting as it kind of has Kerrigan trying to save the galaxy and Raynor trying to stop her because she's Kerrigan.

>>2129952
I preferred this sexy beast. I'd take three of them over one heavy cruiser any day.

>>2128172
my fellow nigga, bulldog best tank

>>2130832
this

bump

>>2131752
This is not ion fregate

>>2133989
But a wall of ion frigates can only get so big before they're out of range

>Play Starcraft after 5 months being offline
>Some issue that I like to name 'Starcraft lag' wont let me play with more of 1 player
>Reducing all my gaming possibilities to 1vs1 matchs, and some 2-players UMS
>All my SC buddies are offline since 1 year ago
>tfw
>Decide to join a melee match, just to dust my Terran skill
>Host has a basic name, by his simplistic typing I can guess he is a korean
>Oh boy a korean, here we go
>3 matchs
>3 loses
>'ayy'
>My gameplay is just too intensive, I over-commit and over-extend in 1 task
>While the asian player is spreading everywhere, taking all resources and having map control
>When I realize, its too late.
>I decide to cast Nuke, they did some decent damage; bitch ass nigga wont see it coming a drop of 4 cloaked ghosts
>But then my bases were being destroyed by an army of Mechs
>Stats:
>23 Win
>12 Draw
>234 Defeats

ayy

Nevertheless, koreans are too good playing SC
Or maybe I just suck too much
Or maybe both

But holy shit asians are really bad at insulting
Its like an autistic 10 years old kid tries to trash-talk me
Nobody can out shitpost a professional shitposter

God damm I miss playing Phantom BGH with my niggers

>>2135613
what is with this ayy shit.

You must stop the asian down early or expand around faster than him. He proly more or defended your over-comitted attack then made bases EVERYWHERE while you noticed your economy had to be kicked into soviet russia mode.

I got the same problem.

>>2129979
>Prehistoric version, the shaman
>Playing the "nazi" version of the game
>That VA shouting something like: "YO YA KI!!!!" every second command

Always had me and my brother in tears.

Germans had one heck of a VA scene for RTS games though...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knbZZ6qur-8

the worms in tiberiun sun

>>2135845
tiberian*

and the crazy use map setting mods in Tiberian Sun were ridiculous

>>2135845
>>2135849
The most satisfying way to win in Tiberian Sun was to move a platoon of highly wounded infantry over the enemies (blue) tiberium field, getting half a dozen of visceriods to spawn.

>>2135617
>what is with this ayy shit.
>Pic related

>You must stop the asian down early
Only because Asian players tend to be Zerg players, its hard to stop them to spreading everywhere; im not that of 'twichy' player, nor have shittons of energy drinks by my side.

In other words, I cant into macro
>tfw

>He proly more or defended your over-comitted attack then made bases EVERYWHERE
That happens to me everytime

>Go quick rush against a Zerg player
>Fail miserably
>The Zerg has spreaded everywhere
>Ultralisk rain incoming

>Decide to do a 'Greedy' build
>Set a CC on my natural
>Right before the first marine pops out of my barracks, all my SCVs were getting brutally murdered by a squadron of Zerglings

The shit I put up with

>>2136552
Fuck forgot pic

bump

>>2083815
I fucking love the sc tank (gotta make all my enemies atheists, if you catch my drift), but this. This fucker. This motherfucking fucker.
It's a shame I can't even make a decent Dune.scx map, and incredible sad the existing Dune games are not good, except for the original, of course
On the other hand, the nukes from Dune made me a Terran player. Loved bitching around with tanks and nuking random places of the map, truly the best way to demoralize your enemy.

>>2131752

Yeah, HW1 Destroyers were pretty fuckin' rad for things that were bigger than frigates, easily keeping up with assault or ion frigates in a combat maneuver.

HW2 made them easily get roflstomped by cruisers, which made me a bit unhappy.

>>2138471
Personally, i prefered the sonic tank.
The friendly fire was fucking massive but damn.

>>2083815
>this thread is a month old already
This is one of the motives I love /vr/.

>>2084405

"Yeees?"

"Ofcourse... Master."

mages got nothing on skellington-wizars

>>2139147
fuck, now i realize that Atreids are fucking space nazis

>>2139081
They also took away the ion cannons too, which I felt was another big downgrade.

>>2139149
I already saved the thread from 404 5 times.

Yeah im kinda obsessive with this thread, just because I like it and almost no other board offers to discuss this kind of games, old games I mean.

>>2139228
>>2139758
>tfw making this thread, hoping it would make at least 100 responses and then fading into oblivion

i'm really proud now guys, i love this board so much, lack of shitposters here make it so much more enjoyable than other boards i frequent

Riva+shuttle still the best

>>2139892
>Riva+shuttle still the best
>Not dt + zealot drop in a turretless terran main, keeping the dt from attacking after all the zealots died, waiting for randomly attacking buildings just for being annoying
It's like you don't even know how to be a nuisance, cerebrate

i love that thing

>>2140008
terran will build comsat against protoss pretty soon if he ain't retarded

templar storm drop on the worker line tho...

>>2139375

Considering how devastating Vaygr heavy missiles can be, the omission of destroyer ion cannons would be kind of excusable. Hiigaran torpedoes, on the other hand... there's a reason you upgrade those. And frankly, even so, torps on a destroyer are disappointing.

Cheap and devastating.
Also the ones who could stealth, if you managed to get 50+ in any campaign it was basically an instant win. Forgot what they were called, but I remember them saying something along the lines of "ai elesh etum eletatir" whatever that means

bump

>>2135613
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>>2143206
What the fuck you talking about?

>>2143885
>>2143206
Is it the thought process of a Korean Starcraft player?

>>2143927
Yeah, kind of.

They kick asses playing Starcraft... but in terms of communication and insulting abilities they are a little...

...Retarded.

I remenber the type I reviewed (I dont know) a Korean pro match.

I still dont know how those koreans manage to understand eachother.

>>2143206
>>2143927
>>2143931
>thought process of a Korean player
>screenshot shows 2k minerals and gas in the bank
nope

>>2143931
No reason to waste neurons on such superfluous tasks. There are strategies to compute.

>>2143938
Either they are pros, or noobs; your call.

>>2143941
I always had the theory that korean Starcraft players are not humans.
They are machines.

I know I know, its a dumb theory.
But after 12 years playing Starcraft (Yes I consider myself a veteran), I never could refute that theory

Is that true?
They are machines? They are super hiumans?

We will never know.
The only think you will know is that

Once the "gl hf" had been typed, your fate is sealed.

Prepare for your doom.

>>2143941
>There are strategies to compute.

Don't be silly, anon.
RTS is a genre about tactics and mechanical skills, not stratagems thought up by brilliant minds somewhere far from the battlefield.

Just look at it reasonably. If S.Korea was such a strategist breeding den, how come every millitary on Earth isn't using their brilliance for their own purposes?
And when it comes to S. Korea, why aren't they the supreme rulers of the world?

People like Hitler or Napoleon were strategic geniuses, not these guys.
They are phenomenal players at both Starcrafts, I give them that.

>>2143950
Starcraft is a game, not a real War.

You silly pants.

anyone remembers these fuckers?

>>2144001
wat game anon?

>>2144039
populous: the beginning
amazing game

>>2144041
thankies, will look it up