/vr/ - Retro Games

Pic is my collection.

The entire Langrisser series is on Saturn, it is the only console to get that. Not really playable without being able to read Japanese, though.

>>2076124

Looked it up, seems neat, maybe a bit too moon for me to figure out though

>>2076124
The sad thing is a lot of those RPGs on the Saturn actually do have a translation of everything but no one wants to put the effort into actually coding them into the game.

>>2076158

Shame the system was so complex to program for in general and that emulation is so iffy

It's kinda why I like to collect for the system. Truely a sad relic of Segas better times

>>2076158
Can you name these RPGs? I could try to do that.

Congrats, you just posted my favourite console. If they'd bothered to fix the damned slowdown the Saturn version of SOTN would have been the best.
Now, if only I can find one of those white systems that hasn't yellowed..

>Pulled it out yesterday and taught my gf all about it.
This thread was just to tell us you have a gf, right?

Shining force 3. The imports all have translation patches (well, 1 has a retranslation of the NA release).
They can be had for low prices.

>>2076117
Taught your girlfriend that you are a fucking loser. Christ, get a grip m8

>>2076470
That isn't even an accomplishment on /vr/, half of us have kids.

>>2076517

>kids

how horrorifying.

OP, get Panzer Dragoon Saga.

Here's my collection.

I bought one last year, and holy shit those game prices are way 2high4me. I practically had to get a modchip if I wanted to play games on it. Fucking shovelware on this system is like, $20.

>>2076525
Kids are like built in player 2s. What's not to like?

>>2076540
this

my 14 month old just sits with me and plays on his controller, usually upside down

i can't wait until he can actually play games with me and the wife

>>2076540

They smell, they're loud, they cause even more trouble when they're teenagers.

Friends are better 2Ps, but I respect those of you who decide to poblate the world... not

>>2076525
>>2076574
Seconded. Kids = Do not want.

>>2076168

Almost all the Sakura Taisen games have script translations available, but still no translation patch for the games. And to make things worse, most games were released on PC too. I dont mind cause I can read moon, but it would be great for that series to be enjoyed by everyone.

>>2076676

valkyria chronicles is heavily inspired by ST, right? by the same devs, I believe.

Maybe more people will get into it now that VC got a PC port and is getting popular.

>>2076574
>>2076617
It sounds bad on paper, but it's really cool when you have one.

>>2076692

Not really, not cool to me. I've seen my friends and silbings having kids and all.

I'm fine like thinks, thank you.

>>2076470
>>2076517
>>2076525

No, it was just context, but I still spoilered it because 4chan

I'm in grad school, so no kids yet but someday I hope

Anyways, I already have PDS. Sorry it's hard to tell in the picture

>>2076617
i wish i didnt have kids

My Saturn and games. I'm waiting for a new Japanese Saturn to arrive, so I can play my games without cart swapping.

>>2077035
just get one of these, covers everything you need from memory to cheats to region unlocking.

>>2077052

>mfw my AR cart died

My Saturn just doesn't recognize it anymore ;_;

>>2076537
where did you get your modchip? did you install it yourself? how easy was the install?

these are very important questions to me

>>2076117
For you OP

>>2076117
Albert Odyssey is a solid RPG. Not brilliant or groundbreaking by any means, but it's got a great soundtrack and it's an RPG that actually gets harder as you progress.

>>2077285
there a bigger pic i can actually read?

>>2077064

That cart might not actually be the problem. The Saturn's cartridge slot is notoriously finicky. Once you get the AR cart in there and the Saturn detects it, never take it out again.

>>2076117
Here are Saturn games I really like. None of them are RPGs though, all fairly action-y.
>Bulk Slash (it's expensive-ish, but not too much so), it's pretty much 3D Ranger-X with waifus, pretty decent graphics and it requires absolutely no Japanese knowledge to play
>Taromaru (it's expensive as fuck though, and is a very acquired taste, but if you can get into it, it's fun as fuck, you're pretty much ninjas with the powers from the movie Scanners)
>Layer Section (it's a damn fine port of a damn fine game, impressive effects, each sprite is in 3D space even though it's all 2D, like a tame Super Scaler game)
>Virtual On (if you have someone to play it with, although the PS2 port is better)

>>2077052
these things are a requirement to own a Saturn

>>2076164
SSF is damn good these days, but it's still a bit iffy, yeah. Runs almost all the games I have, except for the Netlink version of Virtual On.

>>2076690
>valkyria chronicles is heavily inspired by ST, right?

In some aspects yes, although it's really different in action, since Sakura taisen had multiple routes and different endings, although the missions were not that interesting, most of the time it was just kill the bad guy or get here before they kill this guy.

>>2076517
>half of us have kids
More like 90% are kids

>>2077621

I don't know why you'd make that conclusion.

>>2077512

I never took it out, ever.

>>2077657

Well then shit.

>>2077674

I think it's the cart because at first, the Saturn kept detecting it, but all my saves were lost, like the memory on the cart died. Then it just stopped detecting the cart period.

>>2077685

Losing your saves makes it sound like the battery died but if it's not being detected at all then that's worrisome. I'm assuming you've tried taking it out and putting it back in and all that?

>>2077070
i got one from racketboy back in 05. it was 25$. then i downloaded the entire USA iso collection and the fuckass huge JAP collection from underground gamer. i modded my saturn for svideo and lastly, i bought an action replay plus 5 in 1. its the system i play the most

>>2077625
The posts

>>2077035

Fucking nice set. I have a model 1 and 2 in black, and I had a spare model 2 so instead of importing I bought the white casing for a model 2 from some guy on ebay for like 20. So now I have a White NTSC-NA Saturn

And yeah get this>>2077052 for imports. It's the easiest thing ever. Literally no modding involved. But if you bought a colored Japanese one I can see why, white and grey are nice variants. The black is rather dull

>>2077285

My collection>>2076120

I've been wanting to get some of the unique platformers like Astal or Clockwork Knight

>>2077657
You don't even have to take it out. Mine will sometimes not show up if I even just nudge it wrong. And sometimes it will detect it but say there's nothing (or a bunch of corrupted data) on the cart, but then I reseated it (I wouldn't recommend doing it while it's turned on, btw, but I don't know if that's actually a problem or not) and everything was still there.

>>2077714
>i modded my saturn for svideo

Why? It has native s-video on the a/v plug.

>>2077064
>>2077657
Just reflash it. Most of the time the problem is that it craps up during the eeprom access and corrupts its own firmware.

Of course you lose all your saves and custom codes, but the cart will be usable again.

And that shit is why I hate the Action Replay and almost never use it; I put a region free bios in my machine and have it connected to a much more reliable official save cart. I think there are, like, three games I play that need some sort of ram cart anyway.

i love the white saturn so much

>>2078750

It's pretty impressive to see games like Nights and Panzer 2 run so nicely

>>2078762
No, I mean, why mod it for s-video when you just need a simple cable?

>>2078750
so you can use high quality s-video cables, never having to buy an sega saturn svideo cable again.

i'm working on a/v modding all my systems to have rca a/v and svideo out. my sega systems are all modded and i'm going to add the jacks to my snes soon.

never have to worry about having a shitty svideo cable like all the snes/n64/gcn ones on ebay/amazon

I have a Saturn, but barely any games so far. Got it this summer and games aren't cheap. Many of mine are from a bulk buy that had some shit in it along with a few games I really like (VF2, Fighting Vipers, Sonic 3D Blast, Darkstalkers).

About how hard is the install for a modchip on Saturns? I don't have any way in hell that I'm going to afford the games I want to play. I do already have the action replay 4M cart so imports aren't a problem, but the games aren't exactly what I can afford.

What's a cheap way to resurface disks? I have a few games that skip or freeze and probably need resurfaced to work again.

>>2078770
>>2078765

also, i'm not >>2077714 i'm just a guy that a/v mods his consoles like a cool guy

>>2078773
I have no time to play mine, they just sit here. One with a bad laser and the other awaiting a modchip I'll probably never order

>>2076117
i heard about it back in 07 but was in middle school and I barely got mine last year. i have a ok collection imo.
VF Remix
VF2
Fighting Vipers
Last Bronx
Daytona USA
Daytona USA CCE
Fighter's Megamix
NIGHTS
SF Collection (Import)
Marvel Super Heroes (Import CIB)
I'm planning on getting more Capcom Fighters when i get funds like SFA, Vampire Savior and Hunter, and Marvel Fighting games and Sonic Jam and Virtual On. overall i really like it.

>>2077070
I got mine from Sega Style. It was super easy to install, I only had to solder one thing and plug two ribbon cables in.

>>2078821
i laughed

>>2078821

sauce on pedestal

Okay guys,

Because reasons, I want to play Japanese import games on a Saturn. I don't have a system yet. I don't have a CRT. What is my optimal path to success?

Also, what games are good and have some sort of translation resource available?

>>2078849
Get CRT, get system, get action replay or a memory cart.

>>2078758
This is the best. I want one.

>>2078839
Some antique store in northern France 20 years ago.

>>2078821
That's a great photo

>>2078849
Get a machine with region free bios + modchip, a backup memory cart, and perhaps a 4mb RAM expansion cart. For the backup cart, get a Japanese one, they are dirt cheap compared to overseas ones, and all peripherials are interchangeable (except mpeg cards but those are near useless). 4mb RAM expansion is only needed if you want to play good-but-not-THAT-perfect ports of CPS2 and Neogeo games.

If you want to just play games, any TV will do. You only need CRT if you get a boner from lightgun games (lightguns do not work on anything else) or you need a hipster levelup.

Action Replay eats shit, you have to go through menus to load games, you cannot save to it directly, instead you have to manually backup saves on its own clunky menu, and it is not uncommon for it to kill itself (killing all your saves). Regionfree bios + memory cart is superior.

>>2078772
>About how hard is the install for a modchip on Saturns?

Usually you have to solder 1 or 2 wires plus a jumper, it depends largely on the type of chip plus the Saturn.

Your discs have to be in totally godawful shape if they need resurfacing to be readable, I have a Saturn that can read a disc that has a crack through the entire inner ring (where the game data is). It is more likely that the laser is old or needs calibration.

>>2077509
>putting shit on top of a pedestal for 20 years
I bet that never gets old.

>>2077509
See pic here >>2076320
You can also get the pic here: http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090516043618/vsrecommendedgames/images/thumb/c/cd/Saturn_Recommended_Games.jpg/180px-Saturn_Recommended_Games.jpg

>>2079015
fuck I meant to reply to >>2078862

>>2078802

I played several in stores when I was younger but it got phased out pretty fast I remember. Mostly just saw the PS1 and N64

It was fun coming back to it. Debating on some platformers or RPGs next. The fighters are good if you have a RAM cart

>>2078849
>>2078964
Almost same situation.
This summer I found a Sega Saturn Model 1, and all related cables, a model one controller and a 3D controller.

No CRT, but the component cables are easy enough to find. Not worried about them.

I planned on burning the games to CDs because poorfag. Would this require a modchip? Would I need an Action Replay cart for imports even if burned? It seems like the swap trick for Model 1 Saturns only works if you have the original game and mod the system anyways.

Also, where do you get your Saturn ROMs?

nuce

>>2080038
>Would this require a modchip?
Yes
>Would I need an Action Replay cart for imports even if burned?
Yes
>Also, where do you get your Saturn ROMs?
emuparadise.me and theisozone.com

>>2080038
>>Would this require a modchip?
>Yes/no, you can also swap trick, i never had problems.
>>Would I need an Action Replay cart for imports even if burned?
>Yes/no, you can patch the iso and play it without AR.
>>Also, where do you get your Saturn ROMs?
>emuparadise.me and theisozone.com

>>2078754

Oh nice, thanks, I will try this out.
Yeah, it sucked losing all my saves, really. I guess even if I reflash it it's not trust worthy?
Well, they're very convenient for their multi purpose, but they're still chinese-made.
I unfortunately don't have an official memory cart.

>>2078857
i might print some soon and see how they sell

>>2080095
>Yeah, it sucked losing all my saves, really. I guess even if I reflash it it's not trust worthy?

the card I had to reflash has been working fine ever since.
I think it just got the connection cut while writing to the eeproms, which is the cart slots fault, not the carts.

>>2080052
>yes it requires a modchip
wrong. you can hotswap discs
>yes, you need an AR for burned imports
wrong. you can use a program that will change the region code of saturn games before you burn them to disc.

I personally use modchip + AR, but neither are actually required. It's just a matter of convenience, and the fact that AR also functions as save memory and extra RAM.

I don't have too many Saturn games. Today I beat the arcade mode of Dead Or Alive and I'm amazed at how good looking the models look. Also, you can't hate a franchise where one of the options in the menu is "boobs bounce".

>>2080228
>convenience
It's more convenient to drive to a friends house and use his modded saturn than it is to do all that shit, even with a model 1

>>2080965
>implying any of your friends have a saturn.

>>2080989
>implying anyone who owns a saturn has friends

>>2081172
>implying anyone on 4chan has friends

>>2080052
>>2080082
Thanks for the answers, guys.

After googling I found the most reliable chip is apparently Racketboy's, and he's sold out. How often does he restock or is there any other chip makers worth knowing?

20 years ago today, the Saturn was released in Japan. Happy birthday, little guy.

>>2081557
>Soukyugurentai, Battle Garegga and DoDonPachi

HNNNNNNNNNG

At least I have US releases of Dragon Force, Marvel Super Heroes, Galactic Attack, Night Warriors, Panzer Dragoon 2 Zwei, NiGHTs (longbox), Astal and Virtual-On for more rare games. I have some great Japonees stuff too but nothing especially rare.

>>2081565
I keep seeing loose copies of Dragon Force pop up in a local shop sometimes, but I refuse to buy it unless it comes in the original case w/ manual. Anywho, if I could recommend ANY of those three games you greentexted from my pic, I'd say Souky. Best bang for your buck. But be sure to get the Otokuyo version, the original release has some visual bugs on an American Saturn; Otokuyo does not.

>>2081593
I got SUPER lucky and got my copy of DF complete in immaculate condition two years ago for $75 from a friend. The only incomplete games I listed are Zwei and Glactic Attack (both were free), and for the most part I paid WAY under regular price for them.

I've played Battle Garegga a few times at a friend's place and I have to say I really wouldn't mind paying a ton of money for that game. It's like a mega enhanced 1942.

>>2081612
Nice. Kinda jelly, here. And yeah, Battle Garegga blows the fuck out of 1942, and it's definitely worth it. I just enjoy Souky a bit more for the gameplay mechanics. It's like Rayforce/ Galactic Attack, but on steroids.

>>2081625
The same friend has Sokyu but I haven't played it yet. I'm a real sucker for the RayForce series so if it's anything like those I'd be all over it. Saturn/good Sega anything collecting is prohibitively expensive for me though sadly.

>>2081397
go on segastyle.com and get the universal v3 chip

>>2081637
It takes Rayforce's lock-on attack and fills the screen with it, locking onto enemies in the background and foreground. You can also switch between two types of lock-on fields per ship. (e.g. default ship has a half-spherical lock and a triangular radial lock, each can be aimed left/right, and are good for different situations) There's also rank, so if you like how Battle Garegga gets harder if you're greedy, you'd like this too. Finally, OST by Hitoshi Sakimoto. Would recommend playing at your friend's house next time. Some call it the poor man's Radiant Silvergun and I agree in a few positive ways. I love RSG, but the power-up system isn't for everyone. Souky has a more conventional power-up system, so you don't have to play perfectly like an autist every time just to do well and be able to hurt bosses. Meaning more fun for 2-player mode.

>>2081637
Also I'd recommend The Game Paradise. It definitely has its "downright cheap" moments with some surprise buttsex boss bullet patterns, but overall it's a fun quirky cute-em-up set in an actual arcade. Sort of like the "Clockwork Knight" of arcade shooters.

>>2081637
>dat blank Saturn case up top

Astal is a pretty fun game, huh?

>>2081637
>Dragonheart: Fire and Steel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD7E7T38yxA

Oh what the hell is this
I genuinely can't tell if it's good or really bad

>>2081557
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>>2081716
I love Astal! One of the most interesting game son the system, even with the headache inducing voice acting. Even worse that the entire cast of characters was voiced by one person.

>>2081735
I can't either, and I've tried to play it a few times.

>>2083194
>I can't either, and I've tried to play it a few times.
I think the pretty background art is throwing into some sort of cognitive dissonance. It's weird finding a digitized game that kinda looks good

>>2083634
Looks can be deceiving.

ASG Vorwärts Dessau is a German association football club based in Dessau-Roßlau, Saxony-Anhalt.

Theres absolutely no place to get Street Fighter zero 3 without breaking the bank 10 times
Its my favorite one too...

>>2085581
> dat smooth animation

It's a damn shame we didn't get more of those ram cart ports other than the horribly slow Marvel Super Heroes.

MSH vs Street Fighter may be one of the best looking 2 fitans I have ever seen too.

>>2076117
What's that in the upper right corner of OP's pic? Characters look cute.

>>2076117

Definitely look in to NOON. I can't say that i've ever really seen it mentioned but It's a really neat sort of puzzle game that also has a 4-player versus mode. Killer soundtrack too.

QUESTION

I couldnt find an answer but can you play japanese Saturn bomberman netlink just like normal saturn bomberman
Like play it offline and the same features like 10 man play
Or does it not work without the netlink

I got twinkle star sprites for my awesome saturn
Am I still manly

>>2078754
any particular recommendations for region-free BIOS chips

>>2077285
it`s been said a billion times, but that pic is in serious need of an update. I love the shit out of the Saturn, but some of the games on it just plain in, plain out suck.

>>2088591
some of the games listed in that chart*

>>2088556
Aside from making the console region free absolutely none whatsoever.

>>2086469
pretty sure the netlink version works like a normal one as well

A game of Christmas is this

>>2088737
Play it every year at Christmas. It's almost time I can't wait!

1

2

The of the 20th anniversary memory of the SS、congratulations

>>2078770
That's really conveniant

So up until now I thought I could swing by with an unmodded Saturn because a lot of the games I've imported were pretty cheap but I noticed some games even when imported can go up to like 50 bucks so I'm considering modding the thing.

What do I use on a grey Japanese Saturn? Is it hard?

>>2088895
Missing some Gundam games there.

>>2088591
I try not to reply to this sort of thing anymore since it gives people some hope and the truth of the matter is I always end up procrastinating, but I'm the guy that made that list and I've been meaning to update it for a long long time. I already have a gigantic list of games to put in there, and I keep adding to it every day, but the list got so huge that I have to break it down into tiers in order for to be usable as a recommendation chart and not just an amorphous shitpile of games.
See pic related for the folder structure I have right now, Top to bottom Essential Tier, Middle Tier and Obscure Tier. The idea is that if you never played a saturn game the safest bet is to start with the essential tier, then move your way down. The Obscure tier contains games that are Japanese-only and/or text-heavy, so it would be hard for a non-moon folk to play them, while the Middle tier also contains Japanese games but they're not text-heavy and easy to get around even if you don't know moon.
That bottom yellow part though are just games that I'm still considering if they're worth making the cut, but considering how huge the list is right now it won't be likely, I still have to cut a lot of stuff out, I didn't want this to get so big, but it's so hard leaving all these good gaems out.
I'm probably not going to do this any sooner, but I just wanted to say, I'm working on it, and every recommendation in every thread I try to look the games up and consider them. I'm always watching.

The outrun does not change with the white SS in Japan

>>2089463
I just wanted to thank you for creating that list, if you are indeed its original creator. It's what originally got me into the Saturn and introduced me to some incredible games, and I know this is true for many other people after it's been shared.

I actually really prefer the format used instead of tiers or separation by genre. Other systems really need a similar recommendation list.

>>2076117
What has a better library, the Saturn or the Genesis?

I like to own a physical collection and prefer action/arcade/rpg/horror. I don't really like imports or burned games that much but if its the best/only option thats fine

>>2090781
I'm >>2081612 and I would probably pick the Genesis over the Saturn. Saturn has more standout incredible single titles but Genesis has a much larger amount of 'just great games', and a TON of great horizontal shmups.

Saturn doe shave stuff like Layer Section, DoDonPachi and Sokyugurentai though...

>>2090781
I'm >>2081637 and I would probably pick the Genesis over the Saturn. Saturn has more standout incredible single titles but Genesis has a much larger amount of 'just great games', and a TON of great horizontal shmups.

Saturn doe shave stuff like Layer Section, DoDonPachi and Sokyugurentai though...

>>2089463
oh fuck
that chart

>>2088895
Street Fighter zero 3

FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU
SERIOUSLY THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE TO GET

>>2088879
>>2088895
>>2088916
All those imports and no Radiant Silvergun?

What's the best mounting program for SSF? Clonedrive fucking sucks.

>>2091174
Daemon Tools Lite

>>2090776
Thank you man, that really means a lot to me, that's why I did it. Glad you actually found it helpful. Well, actually, I kind of did for myself, or to put it in better terms I didn't really do it, I just pasted it together.
A long long time ago in old old /v/ there used to be weekly saturn threads where people digged up its extensive library and recommend games to each other, and like most people there who had a saturn growing up, we had no idea the amount of hidden titles the system had that was completely forgotten and never made it to the west. So I thought those threads shouldn't go to waste and I started saving all of those recommendations, specially in a time where there were no 4chan archives.
So really I selfishly just did it to inform myself on a system that I thought at the time was subpar compared to its peers, but really glad I proved myself wrong.
Unfortunately with the success of this little project and seeing the image posted a lot, those Saturn threads kind of died off, and that's the sad part of the whole ordeal. But at least it remains as a testament as to how great those threads were.

>>2076120
>Marvel vs. Capcom 2
>Steel Battalion
>all three Panzer games
I would legit murder for that collection. Holy shit.

>>2091259
>malwaretools
Kek

>>2091375
Ive always used deamon tools lite and never had a problem ,maybe you are just retarded and dont know what your clicking

>>2089463
Well, keep it up, saturnbro. Tough to break them down into just three tiers like that, might have to sub-categorize genre's as well. The top fighters almost need their own category in Mid, same with the shmups in Obscure... Although some really arent so "obscure" anymore, just pricey.

The ST-V games are notable as perfect saturn ports, maybe like to see those noted somehow as well.

Definitely keep sanshiro's recommendation for easy text-light jp games. Probably the most useful info for someone just getting into imports.

>>2091398
Supposedly one of the drivers it installs is notorious for causing BSoDs.

>>2091814
>might have to sub-categorize genre's as well
I was actually considering that for fighters and shmups specifically since they're so fucking much and they're hard to nail down in the other tiers since they're kinda niche genres to begin with now, but I'm too afraid the list becomes too convoluted. But definitely noted, will consider it.

>>2091174
>>2091994
http://alternativeto.net/software/virtual-clonedrive/

Well go through this list and try anything you want, personally I never had any problem with DTL, nor have I experienced BSODs for a long long time, fortunately.

>tfw you own Daytona USA CCE AND Daytona USA CE

>>2092226
I will never know that feel

>>2092226

I know that feel, and well, it's pretty good.