/vr/ - Retro Games

>>2080331

Nice photo, the one on the previous thread had it's colors off.

Anyway, currently trying to get a KX-27ps1 with a really low overall operating time and in a great state.

Popful Mail on my 34" JVC i'Art.

Anyone know how to bypass digital processing on hd crt's? Specifically a Sony 34xbr960. Beautiful set but the input lag is killing me

>>2080625

Often you can't. If you're talking about the scaling, the tube itself is often limited to a single horizontal sync frequency.

>>2080807
I basically want to be able to use 480p on this set without the image processing this tv does on the incomming signal. Basically a 480p signal through component -> RGB conversion then to the guns

>>2080824

And what image processing is this? Is it scaling or something else?
Like I said, if it's scaling then it's likely your set is only capable of scanning 1080i.

So I got a free Trinitron TV the other day, and it has a pink tint to it. Anything I can do, or is it just stuck pink?

>>2081126

Is the image pink regardless of signal used?
Perhaps there is an incorrect setting in the service menu.

>>2081138
I've played around with the settings and when I lowered the "picture" setting it became less pink and a little dimmer. I tried two different composites, one in front and one in back, and they both outputted the same result.

It's not that big of a deal, it looks better after I fucked around with the settings a bit, I'm assuming that it's just showing its age.

Where's the best place to get a Crescendo TC1600 VGA to YPbPr transcoder?

>>2081140
degaussing coil

>>2080836
I suppose 540p and 480p aren't compatible?

Can I buy a cheap Sony to SCART cable and expect it to work with RGB on both PS1 and PS2?

It feels so good, /vr/

So I ordered a Sony PVM and I just realized I don't have any BNC adapters or whatnot (because I figured I'd never get my hands on a good deal CRT). Will any 'ol bnc adapters do?

>using fuzzy blurry warped shitty screens

>>2081350
Mhm, although if you ordered a PVM I would assume you would be getting an RGB cable?

>>2081371
Yeah,although for more modern consoles like a ps2 I hear component is fine?

>>2081261
If the SCART cable is super-cheap it may only be wired for composite.

Just wait for retro_console_accessories to get some more SCAAAAAAAART cables in stock and order from her like everyone else does.

>>2081376
Component is fine, it's effectively the same as RGB. And yeah, any old BNC adapters will do the trick. I think you can still get packs of them at Frye's and Microcenter, easier to find online though.

>>2081389
>that convergence

>>2081210
Where the hell do I get that for cheap, I don't have one and it looks and sounds scary.

>>2081440
http://www.frys.com/product/487898 ?
A corded drill will work in a pinch though.

>>2081448
Jeez, I guess it makes sense to cost so much.

ok guys dumb question, would these adapters be all I need for connecting a console to a PVM via component?

http://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-103002-Coupler-Component-Extension/dp/B002KCKX8K/ref=pd_bxgy_e_text_y

>>2081487
oh shit I linked the wrong one, got I am tired ignore

>>2081487
>>2081490
These will allow you to use a normal RCA component(or composite for that matter) cable with PVMs that have BNC connectors:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000G5S4JI

If the PVM photo you posted is the one you're getting/have, it likely won't accept component, only the RGB it is labeled for.

Ey I got a Teac with scart RGB,
I wanna enter the service menu but the service manual says I need a "Factory Remote" of sorts with a special "Factory Menu" button.
Wat do?

>>2081495
>If the PVM photo you posted is the one you're getting/have, it likely won't accept component, only the RGB it is labeled for.
don't all pvm's NOT support component?

>>2081528
So many of my photos are taken over component, it's not even funny. Essentially anything PS1 related for one.

It all depends on the model. Older ones usually won't support it, and the BVMs with expansion cards might need a specific decoder card for it, but there are quite a number of PVMs that support YPbPr component video right on over the same connections as RGB.

>>2081541
And the ass end of my 20M2MDU.

240p/480i component over either of the RGB lines.

>>2081543
That's amazing, How much did that cost ya? ah it's 480p that PVM's never support right? Is that a VGA connector? Can it support the Dreamcasts VGA? All the CRT's with component seem to be double or triple the price of those with just composite/rgb/s-video

>>2081558
>That's amazing, How much did that cost ya?
$50 + $40 shipped at the beginning of 2013.

>ah it's 480p that PVM's never support right?
Multiformat monitors like the L5 series and certain BVMs support anything from 240p/480i to 480p, 720p and even 1080i. They're not rare outright, but by no means common or the rule.

>Is that a VGA connector?
VGA has 15 pins, that only has 9; It's used for connecting a remote for controlling the monitor.

>Can it support the Dreamcasts VGA?
See above; It's not used for video signals. Also, VGA from the Dreamcast is 480p and as such wouldn't work on a 480i monitor like this anyway.

>All the CRT's with component seem to be double or triple the price of those with just composite/rgb/s-video
Really all depends on the model. Cheaper late model "budget" monitors would usually only have RGB if not just composite/s-video.

It's the multiformat models that get stupid in price.

Somebody tell me why scanlines are supposed to look so good? They don't look much worse than what LCDs do to old videos game.

>>2081570
Have eBayers gotten wise? That tv model you have is going for like $300 minimum, and practically all PVM's are getting similar treatment.

>>2081574
They act as a sort of natural anti-aliasing, making sprites and the like look less blocky.

This works at normal viewing distance, but a considerable portion of the effect is lost in the close ups that I tend to post.

This >>2081541 old shot of Sonic 2 isn't too bad on it though.

>>2081580
Yeah, the prices have shot up quite considerably over the past year and a half. Hell, I think some NIB ones sold for $250 a few months before I got mine.
I should note that it was originally listed at $100, but I was tipped off by another anon that (I believe) lurks these threads that they would accept less. Really glad they did, that was the last $90 I had at that point.

I think there are actually three of us that got monitors from that same auction.

>>2081589
>I should note that it was originally listed at $100, but I was tipped off by another anon that (I believe) lurks these threads that they would accept less

hmm via the "offer" button I presume?

How does a PVM-14M4U for $90 sound like?

>>2081595
Yeah, I think it was a best offer.
Still a bit miffed that someone else ended up bidding on a 1353 I convinced someone to relist with a shipping option; That have bit a nice little monitor.
I think it was a 13'' at least.

>PVM-14M4U for $90
Assuming it's in good physical condition, M4s are definitely good monitors; Sharper tube than mine at least.

If shipping isn't too much, it'd not a terrible price, but that's just me. I'm the kind of person that will wait forever for something to drop a small fraction of the price just to save a few bucks.

>>2081602

and http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/ODM2WDkwNQ==/z/cL0AAOSwnDxUbp-O/$_57.JPG

is the blue some type of magnet damage?

>>2081602
God damn, I can't seem to form proper sentences tonight to save my life.

Note: first time I put that together, it was written former proper.

>>2081614
It's hard to tell from such a blurry image.
If it wasn't for those two spots, I'd write the image off as just being poor photography, but they make me wonder.
You could possibly ask for a clearer photo of the same screen; Sometimes they'll actually do so.

How much are they asking for shipping?

>>2081543
Kya, i note you've got lots of audio plugged in there. Will a PVM generally take both red/white audio inputs from a console, and if so, how, and what do you have to set to make it work? Or is it only mono...?

>>2081643

PVMs are only mono.

>>2081643
You could hypothetically get an adapter and combine the L and R audio to feed into the PVM, but it'd still technically be mono. That picture is a bit old, I have everything piped to switchers and an amp now, fed to a pair of KG4s.

The mono speaker is pretty damn good, and gets decently loud without distortion, but you'd ultimately want a separate audio setup.

>>2081646
There are a few that have options for stereo audio; Even built in amplifers for feeding external speakers. That's really only on older 2*30s and stuff though. Maybe the Profeels too.

>>2081651
>There are a few that have options for stereo audio; Even built in amplifers for feeding external speakers.

I think that these are the KX series/Profeels, yeah, not really the ones marketed to the professional users I think though.

>>2081653
20/2530 and 2950 all have stereo inputs, that much I know.

Whether these were marketed for professional use, or which between them and the profeels came first is another question all together.

>>2081574

There's a couple of aspects to it.
At a distance, it makes low games look much less blocky. Unfortunately if you're using a big screen then the scanlines can become way too harsh and distracting.
There's also the element of "it's how it was meant to be seen".

>They don't look much worse than what LCDs do to old video games.
Have you compared them directly?

>>2081574

Scanlines don't matter, what matter is better color rendition, better contrasts, better black level, lack of ghosting and smooth motion.

>>2081662
true. Scanlines are a product of the way the technology works. The tech itself is how old games were meant to be seen, and they way those images display is better - more colourful, more distinct without being blocky, warmer and more vivid.

>>2081658
The original profeels were much older than that one in your pic. Whether (only) certain generations of the profeel had stereo inputs/speaker outs i have no idea.

>>2081651
Thx man.

Anyone have the service manual for the PVM-14M4A? Or can recommend a good site to buy one? I own the set, though i have to have the damn thing shipped yet. Saving up atm :)

>>2081731

All the Profeels I know have stereo audio input/output, as they were targeted to home cinema enthusiasts and/or HiFi audio/video freaks.

>>2081731
Like I said, I really don't know. That is a 2950 though; I have a feeling the 2030/2530 are older and likely more directly comparable to the Profeels.

>>2081738
http://neohyphengeo.com/PVM20M2_SM_SONY_EN.pdf

>>2081742
ok, i suppose i should have realised that :)

>>2081745
I have that one, but thx for the link.

Should we start adding Service Manuals to the pastebin? With a big warning about trying to fix high mains/voltage equipment. I'd be happy to upload anything i have to buy...?

>>2081753
I have some links to go into the pastebin, just haven't gotten around to writing any more or updating it.
Should probably get on that; I'll try to update it before the weekend is out.

>>2081762
This picture is absolutely terrible.

>>2081797
Can you explain why?

>>2081802
Too blurry. Not sharp enough. It looks horrible.

>>2081804
Looks fine to me.
You know you can zoom in, right?

>>2081804
Yay weak N64 RGB.

>>2081808
If you like it I guess that's all that really matters, but not everyone has that low standards.

>>2081809
Did you do the RGB mod?

>>2081797
>>2081804
>>2081810
shitposter pls go

>>2081810
To quote myself from the last thread "RGB from the N64, no amp, just the raw signal coming out of the VDC-NUS A run directly to the multi-out."

And from tumblr:
After confirming that the amp that I had originally put together for modding the SNES mini was indeed not working/fried/etc, and burning a few strands of hair, I decided it was too late to try to solder together the second amp and do things the “right way”. With that, we’ve come to this:

Wiring VDC-NUS A directly to the Multi Out.

After reading a nice bit about how weak the N64’s RGB out is and how it needs an amplifier unless you want an impossibly dark image, I decided to connect it up just for the hell of it with the intention of opening it back up to install the amp at a later date. I likely will still do so (assuming I don’t fry the second amp as well), but I have to say, I’m surprised by the results so far.

>>2081817
>opening it back up to install the amp at a later date
Sounds annoying as hell.

>>2081820
True, but it was stupidly late(5-6am) and I'm terrible when it comes to soldering; I'm sure this cheap ass RS iron doesn't help matters. Putting together that amp would have been at least an hour or two of work.

>>2081813
Except I'm not shitposting. I was just proven correct in that the picture isn't perfect because he didn't use an amp. Me being rude doesn't make me not right.

>>2081829
I'm shocked that those posts actually got deleted.

And yeah, it is by no means perfect; My "work around" for the moment has my contrast cranked all the way up with a small lowering of the brightness.

>>2081834
Too high contrast makes the picture go blurry, that why you need the amp. The N64 was always pretty bad in the picture quality department.

>>2081841
I blame the VI filter.

>>2081841
>filename
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you.
This would work a lot better if I had a photo of MM8 or X4 Saturn; Or a working Saturn for that matter.

Like I said, it's only temporary. Really hope I don't end up frying my second amp.

>>2081589
ok, I usually play games close up because I am better there. Is there a way to not have scanlines on CRTs? Yeah.

>>2081857
Smaller CRTs will have smaller gaps between each line of actual picture, so they'll be less visible.
Lower quality CRTs will usually have electron guns that aren't as focused as those of higher quality tubes, and that will also make them less visible.

Scanlines are just inherent to how the technology works, so you're really not going to be able to get rid of them, only mask them; Especially for 240p content.

>>2081263

A good CRT is so damn delicious with retro games.

What are you using, anon?

>>2081857
>Is there a way to not have scanlines on CRTs?
PC monitor CRT, emulator, integer ratio nearest scaling (at least 3x vertically if you want the scanlines totally invisible).

Or if you insist on using original hardware, you can get hardware line doublers with minimal latency (some scaler boxes support this if configured correctly and using the right connections).

>>2081994
I picked up a PVM-14M2MDU from the hospital that I work at's electronic recycling.
Perfect fucking condition too.

Im using a superwide resolution on a pc CRT following instructions from this: http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Display_FAQ#240p.2F480i_Emulation_on_a_CRT_Monitor

Game doesn't cover the entire screen, has black bars on top and bottom. Is it supposed to be like that? Talking about snes emulation.

>>2082131

How big are the black bars?
SNES has a vertical resolution of 224.

>>2081624
free shipping, I'll ask

>>2082045
so can anyone try to get stuff from a hospital's electronic recycling?

>>2082140
Nah, I work at one. Well, 'worked' I should say, got laid off the other day.

>>2082045

Nice. Looks pretty good, too. I want to find a good 20" PVM/BVM but I wont hold my breath. My kd-27fs170 will have to do for now.

I suck at taking good pictures of tv screens.

>>2082135

>>2082145

Have you tried running the Windows desktop in the same resolution? The same aspect ratio problems may be present there. Your monitor probably has manual size and position adjustment.

>>2082143

Also: you can probably place the blame on that picture quality on composite, and my A/V switch.

My SNES mini looks a lot better thanks to S-Video

>>2082146
Increasing the brightness reveals part of it is retroarchs fault. Would like to know what the proper settings are.

>>2080836
No the set is capable of 480i/480p/720p/1080i through component and doesn't upscale from what I observed (although 480i signals do get converted to 480p by the set).

The image processing I'm referring to is things like edge enhancement and such, methods used to make the video clearer/cleaner from what I can understand. This means that a 480p signal for example goes through these "enhancements" and adds delay my games.

I remember someone bypassing this enhancement processing on a different sony trinitron set but it was long ago and I can't seem to find where I read that anymore.

Here's a pic of the inputs I'm referring to.

>>2081570
so for 6th gen consoles and the Wii, multiformat is probably better?

>>2082153
>Video: 256x224p
How is it RetroArch's fault if you're trying to display 224p at 240p? Increase the vertical size so the black pixels are in overscan if you want to display 224p.

So should one disable or enable overscan cropping in Retroarch?

is the PVM-20L5 god-tier CRT? It's multiformat, 20", plenty of connectors. It can handle all consoles at their best res and connector up to Wii correct?

>>2080625
There's an option in the service menu called HDPO on some Wega XBR sets. Bypasses framebuffer entirely for 1080i and 480p signals.

If you're complaining about lag on a Wega, though, you're likely experiencing placebo. It's well under 1 frame.

Don't have the plate that covers the open SDI slot so I had to improvise.

>>2082154
I'd be suspicious that some form of scaling/processing was still going on to display 480i. Were any consumer sets made so multisync they would display 480i/480p and anything higher?

>>2082461
Yeah, pretty much god tier, or right at the top of the next tier down. It is multiformat, as you suggest, and it will look great for anything 6th gen and backwards, and for the wii. It takes BKM cards for input, so make sure it has the inputs you need.

>>2082767
It by default will have all the standard input you would expect from any PVM built right in. (RGB, YPbPr, Composite, SVideo)
This >>2082490 is where the BKM usually goes. BVMs usually have the inputs only on the BKM cards so you really have to pay attention with those. Usually have RGB and SDI so if you want composite or YC you'll need a card that supports it.

What's a good basic CRT for someone just getting into these things? Something on the smaller side would be nice

>>2082826
Will the set support Y/C and composite through those ports on the back though? Or do you need the BKM card to make those work?

>>2082958
Oh, i see, i read your post wrong. Yeah, i knew BVM's needed the inputs cards, or older ones need the ports built in and most don't have s-video.

I didn't realise the PVM-20L5 would support all that without the car though.

>>2082846
Just about anything by Sony. Most old manufacturers that aren't obviously making cheap shit would be fine. Avoid HD CRT's.

do the corners here look like dirt or some type of irreparable wear?

>>2082998
forgot the pic

>>2081204

>http://www.curtpalme.com/TC1600.shtm
>tfw discontinued

>>2081503

>>2083192
Work out what IR frequency and modulation you need and make a transponder to send the right signal to the TV.

Or buy a Service Remote, though good luck finding one. If the manual offers no alternative, you're screwed.

were there ever any 16:9 PC CRTs ever made?

>>2083206
Yes.

>>2083209
A-are there any left?

>>2083209
hawt

>>2082998
>>2083002
That idiot is using someone elses photo of a completely different set all together. I'd be careful.

I recently got a SCART converter and cables for my Genesis and the colors look yellowed and dark, there's also a lot of flickering, dunno if it's the converter, the component cables, or the shielding in the SCART cable (which are from retro_console_accessories, btw). Anyone know what might be wrong?

I asked this before, but could someone direct me to an easy way to degauss a monitor for cheap? Google sucks at finding good results, and I'm pretty sure this free trinitron tv I got doesn't degauss anymore for whatever reason.

>>2083283

that is scary, considering when I message him about the marks he said they are there when he turns it on, and isn't sure what it is. So he probably just lied about that.

>>2082846

I would recommend something in Sony's FS100 line (namely the 27FS100).

- Very popular thus very common.
- Great quality, even composite looks nice due to its comb filtering (somewhat important since a lot of people starting out have been using composite and only have the composite cables their console came with).
- S-video for when you want better quality.
- Component video for if you want to check out RGB (using a transcoder).
- Also great for 6th gen consoles and Wii because of component video, as well as a 16:9 "squeeze" feature that makes widescreen content nice and sharp.

Depending on how dense the population in your area is you should be able to find one pretty easily. I see about one or two pop up on craigslist in my area (which isn't big enough to be considered a city) every month, if you live somewhere more urban you should have no problem.

>>2083435
Hey, do you know how to troubleshoot FS models? I have a 27FS120 that has a pinkish hue on any input I give it, including the built in menus. I can't find a degauss button, and I don't have a coil. If I turn the "picture" setting way down some color returns, but is it just dying? I'd like to keep it for a retro box, but it looks so shitty. Any help would be appreciated!

>>2083442

I'm probably the wrong person to ask since I actually know very little about CRT servicing but that sounds like an issue with the tube since it's affecting every input.

>>2083467
That's what I figured. I can still play stuff on it for the time being. I'll just keep my eyes open for Trinitrons or other similar tvs while I try to troubleshoot this one.

Pretty sure I'm missing blue.

>>2083358
Facing another CRT towards it(tube to tube) and turning it on/activating its degauss should work.

Corded power drill will work as a degaussing coil.
And of course buying an actual degaussing coil.

>>2083535

Naah, the trees are black, I think you don't have enough green.

>>2083539
I dunno, I really think blue is the problem here.

>>2083545

Weird. There are blue tints, green tints, but all the colors are still wrong. I dunno, maybe there's a problem with both?

>>2083548
Yep, it's definitely blue. Disconnected the blue line with no change, disconnecting green goes to pure red.

I wonder if it's possible to have only ruin 1 line of the amp, or if they would all go at once.

>>2083535
If there's white, you're not missing anything.

Problems with chroma decoding?

>>2083560

He's using RGB.

>>2083562
he plugged green in blues place and vice-versa

>>2083565
Upon looking, I did in fact have blue in outputting to green.
However, switching these has now given me blue, but no green.

>>2082475
I'll have to give that a try in the morning.

>>2082761
I'm not sure what you are asking. The sony 34xbr960 can output the different resolutions of 480p, 720p, & 1080i. 480i signals get upscaled (is that the right word for it?) to 480p by the set automatically but if you feed it 720p or 1080i, it outputs 720p/1080i.

It really is a great crt, very sought after from what I can tell.

>>2083535
>>2083539
>>2083545
>>2083548
>>2083560
>>2083562
>>2083565
nvm i fixd it

>>2083442
>>2083435

KD-27FS170 owner here.

If you're going to get into Sony Trinitron Wegas, then you're going to need this.

http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?248996-Sony-WEGA-Trinitron-CRT-TV-service-menu-Tips-Tricks-and-settings-suggestions

Good luck, and remember to do your squats and oats. Most Sony Wega TVs, 'consumer Trinitrons' I've come across were huge. The smallest I manged to find was a 27 incher, and that fucker was 100 pounds. Not too heavy, but god forbid you try tackling something bigger than it by yourself unless you've got arms like an NBA player.

since i'm not keen on modifying my systems i have this turbografix 16 connected to a sony trinitron kv27fv310 using composite using some newly found monster branded cables that i bought for $4

quite hilarious how thick the cables are compared to the thin ones i replaced.

>>2083856
the cables are originally made for component video

>>2083818
Yeah, 27'' seems to be about the size limit on reasonably moving WEGA Trinitrons on your own.

>unless you've got arms like an NBA player
God help you if it's widescreen.

Also, I really should cut my wires longer. At least it won't be moving around inside of there very easily.

>>2083856
>tfw own a brand new copy of blazing lazers because I love compile and it was less than $20
>tfw no tg16 to play it on

>>2083871

What's stopping you from getting one?

>>2083871
bite the bullet and grab yourself a turbo duo. tg16 collecting is easily one of the most expensive consoles to collect for.

i have an original tg16 with cd accessory but hit a brick wall with the $200 super system card, just can't bring myself to buy it. turbo duo can do super cd games out of the box and is in the ballpark of $300+ so it's far cheaper than my route.

if you don't care about games like castlevania x rondo of blood then you can get a baseline unit without acessories and RF output only for $50 give or take.

Reposting the survey another anon posted 2 threads ago:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1PhdXJYwA8xModrTV1Yt-i1tvNgwiagpeBx0m_xNIVtc/viewform?edit_requested=true

>>2083939
Shit, if I'd thought about it, I'd have tossed it into the OP too.
Next thread maybe.

>>2083939
>mfw my question has been added at the end

I recently picked up a crt PC monitor and I have a problem where the grays appear brownish.

Does anyone know if it is possible to fix this?

>>2084291

Time to adjust your pots!

I want to grade my CRT (current one is too small and I couldn't bring the large one with me in the move). I measured my dresser which I'll be putting it on. It's 30 by 17 (apporx.) inches, what size should I get? I'm thinking 22 inch.

Hm my PVM sometimes makes a louder noise than the usual 15khz noise.
Then it just goes away.
What could it be?

>>2083580
It's me again. I believe to have found a circuit diagram on the 34xbr960. Would anyone know if it would be possible to do the following bypass on the set to achieve zero image processing?

>>2085112
I forgot the image, also. What are the repercussions of feeding an incorrect signal to the crt guns?

Shake Shake

>>2082998
>>2083002
>>2083283
>>2083434
Decided to actually call the guy out on what he was doing; Claimed inexperience with ebay and didn't see what the big deal was.
Made sure to inform him that a few different people had been put off from possibly contacting him over it and that I'd continue point them away from it. Not even getting into the crazy price fluctuations.
I'm happy he didn't at least try to feign ignorance and continue to use the "it was my son's" story he sent some other anon.

>>2083939
It's hard to answer some of those questions. I have equal numbers of Sony and Commodore CRT's and about equal time with the SNES and PSX.

>>2085259
>It's hard to answer some of those questions. I have equal numbers of Sony and Commodore CRT
I agree, it'd be nice to see an option for people that use multiple sets. That said, go with which ever set you use most often.

>and about equal time with the SNES and PSX.
Same

A string trio is a group of three string instruments or a piece written for such a group.

>>2085257
The Ebay auschoice seller hawking 14" PVMs in Brisbane, Aus, is using shopped photos. I only noticed today. If you check the different 9" models they're the same photos with extra buttons stuck on. Might be nothing, might be worth making sure of any set you buy.

I hope that other guy on here who made the $100 offer doesn't get burnt...

"I Will, If You Will" is a song written by Randy Goodrum and John Barlow Jarvis, and recorded by American country music artist John Berry.

>>2083818
Hey, I'm back with more problems. I don't have the remote for this Trinitron, so how the fuck can I enter service mode?

If I'm looking for decent CRTs for free on craigslist, what are some brands, models, types I should look for? I'm not banking on finding any sony monitors.

>>2081487
Now I realize why that picture looked so familiar. It's on my local craigslist.

If I had a way to get over to them and pick it up, I'd toss them an offer. Not going to drop $30 to risk it getting bounced around in a truck for 20 miles.

>>2085475
You can surely find some good sized consumer Trinitrons for free.

>>2085257
>some other anon.

that was me, this was his reply after i told him i saw the image on multiple image boards over the past few years, after he said he was 'his son trying to sell it on craigslist'

>Well I spoke with him and behold your right. He had mentioned that he used that photo to list some time ago on craigslist do to cracked screen daughter and laws phone. He mentioned and guaranteed that it is in excellent working condition.

Scanline/filter thread on /v/ went surprisingly well after it cleared out a little.


>>2085802
I'm honestly wondering if he's going to respond back, and if he does, what he will say.

Any tips on finding computer crt monitors? Not having much luck with craigslist.

>>2085812
i wanted to reply with:
>bullshit stories get bullshit offers, I'll pay you fifty bucks or I'll inform ebay of your fraud

but instead i jerked off to the thought of getting a 20L5 for fifty bucks and went to bed.

>>2085875
Goodwill is great for finding them, but quality varrying of course.

>>2083535
looks like you're in YPbPr mode, not RGB

How cheap can you pick up a decent CRT these days?

Is there any danger of them running out after enough years have passed/are they still being manufactured somehow?

Also, what are good CRTs to look for/are any brands better in general?

>>2087258
>How cheap can you pick up a decent CRT these days?

Depend on your area.

>Is there any danger of them running out after enough years have passed

They have a limited number of working hour, just like LCDs, though they usually last longer (you can still use fully workings 70s and 60s sets nowadays).

>are they still being manufactured somehow?

By Taiwanese peoples and Ikegami but they cost an arm.

>>2087258

Shit I have two just sitting here next to me. If you paid for the shipping and packaging I'd give them both to you for free.

>>2087285
It'd probably be too much for me right now, I'm broke for a while.

I'm not really sure if I want to replace my current set either but it's like 12" so it's not too great unfortunately.

are universal component cables ok? Are there are "don'ts" in component cables or are they all pretty much the same?

>>2087258
Got a 32-inch SD Wega for $30 in January from a thrift store up in Forest Park.
Got a PVM-2030 from Goodwill for $50.
32-inch Panasonic Tau, same Goodwill for $30.
27-inch early '90s Trinitron, same Goodwill for $17.
Got a 17-inch CIB Dell Monitor for $2.50 and a 13-inch Panasonic PVM for $5 for the local Salvation Army.

McDonough, GA, best town.

>>2087301
Nice, I'm around New England and haven't found anything really amazing just looking on craigslist. I'll probably hit up some Goodwills in a few weeks.

>>2087301
All of these were purchased this year, except for the 27-inch Trinitron I picked up October last year. /vr/ gave me the Trinitron bug bad.

>>2087305
Keep hunting and you'll find good stuff eventually!

This is the Dell e773s and a Panasonic CT-1382Y. The Dell is currently my main monitor, although I'm looking at picking up another one later today for a dual-crt battlestation.

Just picked up an sd2snes to go along with this baybeeeeeeee
It's so nice.

How good of a picture does my CRT have?

>>2080331
>CRT
Looks like shit but has none exstant display lag.

>>2083209
What computer is Carmack using?

>>2087387
Are you using the high quality PPC SNES?

>>2087549
Some kind of Silicon Graphics workstation, I think.

http://www.geek.com/games/john-carmack-coded-quake-on-a-28-inch-169-1080p-monitor-in-1995-1422971/

>>2087556
>SGI
Noice. Some people are still maining those as home computers.

How do I fix a slanted picture? I'm using some cheap TV from Kijiji, but the picture is slanted to the left quite a bit. I tried the TV's settings, and there are no options there. I'm using a Wii on it, so if there is a way to fix it on that end that could be easier.

>>2087554
What are you talking about? I'm using a regular Super Nintendo with a composite cable.

My current recording setup for Goldeneye until I find a capture card I like.
Playing through the svideo. My VCR doesn't take svideo so I sent composite through the output of the monitor to the VCR. VCR output into Line B for when I need to playback the recording.

>>2085465

Buy a replacement remote?

>>2087904
I'm looking for help with this myself. My set is a Panasonic though.

I was planning to buy the Service Manual from an online site, and see if there's anything in there. Do most service menu's let you make rotational adjustments? Short of that, opening up the set and making sure the yoke isn't mis-aligned might work?

>>2083535
Requesting more scanline pictures of 3D games.

When /vr/ was founded, I only had one CRT, an old 20-inch Sanyo I kept in storage. I've bought 9 crts since then. You guys gave me the crt bug, and how.

Just picked up this Dell Ultrascan P991 off craigslist. This bad boy has a 19-inch screen with a Trinitron tube, and sits easy at 1600x1200 85hz, putting my old e773s to shame. But put 'em together and it makes a nifty retro battlestation.

Also, I have a decent camera, honestly, I just can't take photos of crts for shit

>>2089187
>2014
>still paying for CRT's

>>2089235
ummm... if you find a good one and it's not free, you should totally feel free to go back to /v/.

At what point would you know that you have exceeded the physical limitation of the shadow mask?

>>2087296
You can carry component over composite cables. RCA is all the same.

>>2089096
Any specific requests? If possible, I'd try to stick to games I actually own but I can do anything the Wii can emulate or swap tricked in for the PS1.

>>2089585

When you can't resolve any more detail by the eye.
Try a patter of alternating black and white pixels, for example.

Would it be possible to get a SCART cable that carried RGB and svideo at the same time? Would say a Sega Saturn be able to output both sources at the same time? Would use svideo for a capture card at 240p and the RGB for viewing on the monitor.

>>2089585
total width / triad width

either that or possibly multiply it by 3 - no point cramming in lots of pixels into a single primary phosphor if the other 2 primaries wont make it in due to mask shadowing

>>2089713

I don't think it's possible, unless you cheat and use the TV output pins, or make some special cables with the SCART wirings + S-Video wirings, so an S-Video cable would stick out at the end of the SCART cable. Carrying S-Video on a SCART cable isn't even standard.

>>2089713
I'm sure you could hypothetically wire something up that would be able to pass both S-Video and RGB along a single SCART cable, but it would by no means be wired using the standard pinout on the SCART side. Probably have to cannibalize data lines or aspect control to fit it all with correct grounding.

>>2089732
>>2089734
Couldn't you use two of the three spares for Y and C?
I don't think I'll do it over scart though because I'd have to make two cables.
Might make a cable from saturn to bnc and svideo that can go into my monitor.

>>2089760
>Couldn't you use two of the three spares for Y and C?
Not entirely sure what you're saying here.

If you don't mind doing a custom cable, there shouldn't be anything stopping you from grabbing whatever signals you want from the Saturn's av out and wiring them up in a way that suits you. I was just going off of the premise of keeping it all on the SCART cable to be split by a breakout cable.

Might have to make use of the monitor's audio out to feed your capture card though.

>>2089713
>>2089732
It is possible to send both S-Video and RGB over the same SCART plug, but it is not a proper standard, so not all systems may work with it.

You'd also have to add at least one of the s-video pins to the reserved data pins (and have luma in place of composite) if you want both at the same time. This may have unknown effects on your TV.

>>2089774
I was referring to the spares in this picture. I kind of changed my mind half way through the post and changed the image.

Sound isn't an issue as I send the audio to my mixer which has a main out that goes to my speakers and a tape out which goes to what I'm capturing to. Currently my VCR.

I'll most likely just do Saturn to BNC. The idea of scart was so I could swap it with my other scart cables instead of having to unplug from the monitor itself.

>>2089780
>I was referring to the spares in this picture
I get you now. On that:
>Probably have to cannibalize data lines or aspect control to fit it all with correct grounding.

How shitty is my CRT?

>>2089780
Those spare pins are used for various different data transfer formats, which differ from set to set. If you are unlucky, it might be wired in some way on your set, which means sending video data through it might damage it to some degree.

Or it might not damage it at all.

The deal breaker however would be the fact that SCART needs a lot of in-cable EMI filtering, and those data pins don't have their own ground signal (so you would need to use two of them, and use luma in place of composite). That on its own means getting a custom cable, or one extremely expensive one that has each pin individually shielded. Otherwise if you don't, you'll get noisy audio, noisy picture, etc., and that would affect the s-video signal.

Simpler would be to just get a decent s-video cable, or break out the 10-pin mini-din to BNC (if you can properly solder to that small piece of shit connector, or even just put BNC outputs for each pin on the console itself.

I'd just opt for buying a normal s-video cable, but I don't have my systems barricaded in on some shelf with the back of them inaccessible. I know that this can be a problem for many people.

>>2089805

>Memorex

W-what? They made CRTs, or is it just the generic shitty chinese one with yet another re brand?

>>2089810
I got it off craigslist for $5 from a family that didn't want it.
The picture seems to be good, but the sound quality is utter shit.

>>2089813
That fact that you've only got mono audio can't help matters.

>>2089810
The broken flat tubed Memorex sitting in my office apparently has an LG Philips tube, so who knows.

>>2089821
I can use external speakers, right?

Is there a pic that I can use to check the quality of my CRT?

>>2089824
If what you're playing has stereo audio and you have something that will accept it and output sound, I don't see anything stopping you.

Before I got around buying an amp and some speakers, I was using a whole separate TV for audio alongside my PVM.

>>2089827
If you mean for colors and geometry, there are various DVDs out there with color bars and the like.
Alternatively, if you have the ability to load homebrew on the Wii Dreamcast or Genesis, you can grab and give 240p Test Suite a shot.

>>2089830
>240p Test Suite
I will try this and report back when I'll have time, thanks.

I'm playing SNES and noticed that there appears to be a vertical "band" going down the center of the TV. It's slightly darker and slightly lighter than the areas around it. What could it be? The TV's maybe 11 years old, it isn't fancy or anything.

>>2090524
It's not your TV. That band is a known graphical artifact specific to the SNES. No one knows why it appears.

>>2090764
Huh. Good to know

>>2090784
It's a really out of place issues. http://retrorgb.com/snesverticalline.html

>>2089187

Good luck with that P991. Mine suffered the voltage issue that causes the brightness to go apeshit and wash out the image. I finally just tossed it awhile ago as I never did get around to reporgramming the damn thing to a lower setting.

>>2090847
Yikes. I'd heard about the issue on some message boards before I pulled the trigger, and I was a little worried when I hooked it up and the image looked washed out, but after letting it warm up I used Color Return from the OSD and it made the image perfect.

I fucking love this monitor! I really dig the bigger real estate compared to the 17-inch Dell that was my main, and the higher res is superb. I really want to get another one (or the similar Mitsu Diamond Pro P91) and use both of them for an extended desktop.

Also, the vga connector is missing Pin 9, but apparently that one isn't used?

>>2090790
That site is right about the early SFC.
I have 4 consoles, 2x Pal SNES, 2x SFC.

My 1991 SFC is great and has no vertical line.
My 1994 or so RGB-01 SFC is real bad with it.

>>2090784

Not the dude you've been responding to, but my Snes Mini used to do it a lot more than it does now after I've done the S-Video mod.

But the guy you've responded to is right, it's a quirky thing that is hard to pin down.

A strange combination of your TV/monitor, A/V cable/connection, the kind of connection you're using be it RF/composite/S-video/RGB or Component. The phases of the moon, the electrical circuits in your house, your Karma, the will of Allah, Jesus' love.

Fuck it, man. The only time I've ever seen it was during my LttP cart's Nintendo logo screen.

Try not to worry about it too much, there really isn't much you can do.

>>2091010

I should say that the only time it's been obnoxious was during the LttP logo screen. But not so much any more.

Maybe I lucked out, but it's just not something to pin down.

Went to a thrift shop today to get a tv for retro and saw a Sony Trinitron. I asked the owner how much for it and she refused to sell it because she was using it to watch tv at work. I wound up buying an RCA Gemstar instead. Is this anywhere close to being as good as a Sony Trinitron?

>>2091031
What kind of inputs does it have? Model no? Size screen?

>>2091060
The model is F27318. Here's a link that shows pictures of the inputs.

http://www.manualslib.com/manual/138758/Rca-F27318.html?page=4

my fave

>>2091075

Amiga monitors are really good, yeah.

>>2091069
Looks pretty decent. 27 inch screen, it's SD, has S-video, and a comb filter for making composite signals less shitty. Should be fine for retro.

>>2091081
commodore actually, my amiga monitor doesn't have any inputs you can use for consoles

>>2091083
Awesome, I guess I didn't do too bad then. Thanks for the help/time.

>>2091086
De nada comrade. Get yourself some s-video cables, most consoles from the '90s support it and the video quality is much better than shitty composite

>>2091085
That bites. I have two Amiga monitors, 1080 and 1084S, and both have RCA jacks for Composite and Chroma/Luma. Feels odd having S-Video over two RCA jacks.

Built my own SCART to DE-9/Stereo RCA adapter for the 1080 a while back. Works well, but the monitor doesn't accept Composite Video as Sync. I should get around to adding a SCART jack to the 1084S. It has a spot in the back of the case for it. Being an American Amiga fan is suffering

>>2091109
huh my uncle gave me his old amiga 2000 with mods and such that i enjoy
he knows im a nerd like him and going to his house tomorrow for thanksgiving
my c64 floppy collection compared to amiga disks is huge

I know that almost no HD CRT TVs natively support 480i or 240p.
How common are onwmes which natively support 480p or 720p?
Is there a list?

>>2091124
think some of the sonys and sanyo's did i'd like a list too

How exactly does one find BVM/PVM monitors barring just searching obsessively on the internet for local listing or paying absurd prices for international shipping?

I mean seriously, I'm looking at a BVM 2010p listing and I'm thinking of buying it but the fucking shipping is just absurd.

Just got this awesome 22" flat screen monitor,with original CD,(compared to a 17" LCD),its a beast weights about 80 lbs,pretty much new,has seen light use,Whats the best resolution for 22" CRT ?

How did I do /vr/ ?

>>2091743

nice one

i cant figure out how to use this universal remote

>>2091743

What kind of display is it? What's the sync range?

>>2091992

its a DIAMONDTRON NF - aperture grille

native resolution 2048 x 1536 at 80 Hz
1600 x 1200 / 85 Hz

>>2092034
Consider me jelly.

I REALLY need to find me a good PC CRT.

>>2091743
>>2091992
>>2092076


I also got this CD for the monitor and there is a PDF instruction on how to calibrate it cause it has a ton of setting I don't even understand in its menu

somebody can help ?

>>2092107

I doubt the CD is necessary. All the configuration you need to do should be possible through the monitor's built in OSD.

>>2092112

Every time I turn it back on after about 5 min off it resets itself ,the horizontal and vertical square length

does it have a battery,like a PC or something ?

>>2092120

There's a possibility that the settings are stored on volatile memory backed up by a battery, I suppose?

>>2092120
Have you run the cd?

Alright /crt/ , I'm in a bit of a dilemma. I'm dying to get my hands on a CRT again, however I find myself constantly running into problems. I lack a car and license so driving long distances to pick one up is almost impossible nor do I have any friends who could help me with that. Even with that, I'm not finding the displays I want on Craigslist. There are very specific models I'm looking for like the KV-27FV310 or the NEC XM29 but no luck there. And I don't want any of those big-ass 30+ inch sets as I live with family and my room isn't big enough for that.

What places would you recommend finding TVs and pro monitors besides CL and Goodwills? I live in North Texas if helps.

Also, what models, consumer and professional, would you recommend besides the two I've listed? I'm looking specifically for something that can take 240p via component or a professional broadcast monitor 20" and up. I know about the BVMs but I couldn't find those either and even then the tiny size is a bit off-putting.

If I don't find anything, I might just cave in and order whatever flatscreen displaylag.com recommends and get an XRGB to compensate.

>>2093664
Most Trinitron TVs with component input should be good. The fv310 aren't significantly better than the others. Just make sure it looks good before buying.

Hey /crt/,

My parents got a new TV for black Friday and called me to see if I wanted this old CRT. I already have a low-tier CRT from about a decade ago so I was intrigued. Here it is, a Philips 27MS4504/17 model, branded as a Magnavox.

I would normally just take it, but it's really, REALLY heavy and it would be a big task to take it if the TV isn't even that good. I like the amount of hookups though, it even has s-video so that's cool.

Another concern is that the glass is flat, will that ruin lightgun games?

>>2094338
>Another concern is that the glass is flat, will that ruin lightgun games?
No. Lightgun games are based on the timing of the raster scan, screen curvature doesn't matter.

>>2094349
Sweet. I guess now I just have to wait and see if anyone knows how good it is displaywise.

I've noticed that on my recently acquired Sony 27FS100, in 480i there's weird blurring/artifacting around objects in motion, sort of like when you view interlaced video on a progressive display before it's been deinterlaced (like pic-related). I don't see when this would happen but it's annoying as hell and I'd like to know how to fix it if anyone has any ideas

>>2094419

forgot pic fuck me

What's the best way to output from a PC to a TV? Does a converter work? Do you have to buy an old video card that has TV outputs? Should you just buy an old computer?

>>2094482
This goes without saying that I'm taking about S-Video or Component, by the way. I know how to plug a computer to a TV with HDMI, obviously.

>>2094482

There are plenty of shitty vga to composite/s-vid converters out there. They can only output 480i and will likely introduce input lag as well. Ditto for video cards with composite/s-video output.

What you will want to do is have a TV with component and then get a quality RGB-Component transcoder. You can use the transcoder to turn the RGB (coming through VGA) to component and send it to the TV. You will also need the CRT emudrivers which requires a specific type of video card. The transcoder is expensive and also discontinued, so good luck finding it (here's a product page http://www.curtpalme.com/TC1600.shtm).).

This is the sad reality of using a computer with a CRT TV. It's expensive and generally more trouble than it's probably worth. I would recommend either using a monitor or PVM with your computer or getting a wii for your TV (assuming you want this setup in the first place for emulation)

>>2094542
That's annoying. The idea is for emulation, yes, though specifically MAME, as I own quite a few consoles and games. Buying a Wii is hardly out of the question or anything, though I don't even know if there's any good fight/arcade sticks for the thing.

>>2094542
The other option he has are Extron converters that can convert VGA to either 15Khz RGB or YPbPr/YUV Component. Those only run about $80-100 on Ebay depending on the model. The VSC 700 and RGB 203 RXi I have coupled together work really well. For his purposes, a VSC 500 by itself with some BNC to RCA adapters would work just fine, and he wouldn't need a compatible video card with drivers as long as it has VGA output.

>>2093664
Just keep checking cl. I got an NEC XP29 from there, and while it was quite a lot of rigamaroll to get it (the sellers were passing through from OK the day I got it... which meant a somewhat distant meet up under shitty weather and road conditions ). So that would be one tip, I guess - expand your search to include the NEC XP models. I do not know how they compare with the XMs but I do know it looks fine with 15khz games in RGB.

I live in the DFW area as well so if I see something I will be sure to post it in a CRT thread in case you miss the ad or something. I recently gave away one of my spare CRTs and have one other donate-able spare, but I don't think it would meet your qualifications.

>>2094542

Wouldn't it be much cheaper to just get a TV with RGB inputs in the first place?

>>2095174

Might not be easy if you're not a palfag.
It's one of the few advantages we have with regards to vidya.

why does my crt monitor have scanlines below 1024x768? I thought crt monitors didn't have scanlines

>>2095290

They're present on all CRT displays. It's just how they work.
It's usually that monitors' scanlines are too small to see. I suppose your monitor's electron beam is too well focused for that.

>>2094860
Interesting. To use that device, I'd still need to have a desktop set to SD resolution, though, right? Which means a special setup, since, for example, the monitor I'm using right now won't go that low.

So I've started using component instead of composite and it's made the interlacing artifacts in 480i much more noticeable. Is it normal for there to be SO much of it? It's kind of bugging me, to the point that I'm considering just using my sixth gen systems on my HDTV and dealing with the deinterlacing and potential input lag. Is there any setting I can change in the service menu that might make it less noticeable?

>>2095578

What are you using? I find the interlacing artifacts to be no stronger.

>>2095586

My CRT is a Sony 27FS100

I messed around with it a bit more and found that it's actually not that bad on Gamecube and Xbox games, to the point where it's barely noticeable unless I'm right in front of the TV. On PS2 though it's absolutely atrocious, extremely noticeable and horrid looking on every game I've tried thus far. I'm guessing it has something to do with the PS2's sort of subpar hardware and lack of anti-aliasing, but jesus, I wish there was something I could do to fix it since I play more on my PS2 than my other sixth gen consoles.

Picked up a Mitsubishi S-VHS compatible VCR today.
Even with standard tapes, the increase in quality is something else, just on colors alone.

Left is S-Video, right is composite.

>>2095290

Your monitor is sharp enough for them to be visible at higher resolutions.

So I was looking at the cost of things, and the Nintendo Wii is pretty damn cheap used. It is a weak ass system, but I wasn't planning on playing any MAME games made after, like, 1993, anyway.

During my research I noticed that there's a PC98 emulator for wii. How terrible would that look on a television? PC98 is 640x480 resolution.

>>2096345

It'll output in 480i most likely and thus not look particularly good.

Hello /crt/.

I am thinking of upgrading my Saturn's ables. i currently use a standard composite AV cable. I am playing from Brazil, so there's no hope for me to find a SCART-fit TV. Is S-Video my only option, or are there Component cables for the Saturn?

Help me out I only got one night without the wife and kid. I'm hooking up this PVM-14M2U and for now I'm just trying to use a composite source on it and to pass it through to my UHF transmitter. For some reason I can't figure out how to get a color image. It detects that it's NTSC but I can't figure out why it's not processing the color information. The control panel looks like this. I can't get any menu up when it's got the composite displayed.

>>2096364
If you've got a CRT with component, you've got something that can use RGB, albeit with conversion.

>>2096367
Is there a way to convert SCART to Composite? How much loss would I be looking at?

>>2096365
Damn I just checked all the inputs they're all black and white. Did I buy a damn monochrome monitor like an idiot? lol better look it up specifically.

>>2096380
>>2096365
Nope, color for sure. Why would it be like that, even on Y/Pb/Pr?

>>2096365
You haven't hit Blue Only by mistake?

Some modeified PAL consoles output in B&W through composite, but should be fine using S-Video or RGB/YPbPr.

The set might be broken too?

>>2096438
Yeah it was in Blue Only mode. Interestingly, I couldn't turn that mode off until I had no inputs going to the monitor. That was what was tripping me up. Now to hunt up some 10 foot RCA cables to reach my transmitter from where this newer smaller monitor got installed.

>>2096248
Good score! I've been looking for an SVHS player for a while. That's a big difference in color quality.

>>2095317
It would look best if you used 640x480 resolution, the original VGA standard, but the VSC 500 has the ability to downscale higher resolutions to 480i, maximum being 1920x1200. If the VSC is coupled with certain Extron RGB's, you can get 240p.

Some reading if you're interested in Extron equipment

http://www.extron.com/product/product.aspx?id=vsc500
http://retrorgb.com/emotia.html
http://scanlines.hazard-city.de/

>>2096368
I'm not sure about their availability in Brazil, but the CSY-2100 will convert SCART RGB to RCA Component with no loss in video quality. You need to either use breakout cables or mod the CSY-2100 to pull the sound, though.

Apparently never used

www.ebay.com.au/itm/291307700636

10" RGB monitor. Expensive though

>>2096697

>10"

For nothing more than desktop use though

>>2096698
Yeah at a second glance the specs are nothing special. I'd rather a 9" PVM.

>>2096736

For $300! I daresay you would.

>>2096751
>>2096736
I'm also sick of these pricks using stock photos of different units. That guy selling the JVC BVM on Ebay.com.au has pictures of two decidedly different monitors, and wants $700 for the unit. Cunt can go fuck himself.

>>2087387
convergence isn't very good. everything else looks okay.

>>2096697

>300 bucks starter bid
>400 bucks price

Not worth the investment.

>learning to speedrun Goldeneye
>get told to play with a dot on screen as it helps
>don't want to draw/stick something to my PVM's screen
I'm doomed to be bad.

>>2099154
Mount a laser pointer off to the side?

Get a piece of shit CRT to use so you don't wear out the PVM with repetitive runs?

>>2099234
>Get a piece of shit CRT to use so you don't wear out the PVM with repetitive runs?
Now I'll just be worrying about the hours on my monitor while I run.

Made me think of something.
Many PS1 and N64 games aren't really 240p and have black bars. Would playing these games for hours burn in black bars? My rear projection has very serious burn in where the bars would be.

I don't imagine it would be an issue since once you get to the menus they often are either 240p or 480i and fill the whole screen.

>>2099256
I wouldn't say that "many" n64 aren't 240p. More like....4 or 5 aren't. I guess that's many given how few games the console has, but not really.

How does the aging of a CRT work?
Does it age depending on your use or does it just age over time regardless? Let's say if you get a new CRT but literally never use it will it still be new in 10 years?

Can someone tell me what it means when my PVM sometimes has a very audible whining sound? It is not the usual 15khz sound that all TV emit.
Sometimes it isn't there and sometimes it just appears and is very noticeable. Even in audio recordings I can hear a difference between the normal sound and this whining sound.

>>2099285

A low hour CRT will have far less issues and will be less likely to develop issues than a CRT that has been used for several thousand hours. I believe the average life-expectancy for a CRT is 10000-20000 hours. Obviously a newer CRT is less likely to have been used a low than an older one. It also depends on how it was used - many people feel that they need to have their screen way too bright (or they use the Vivid picture mode on Sony TVs), and this wears out the tube. A CRT with higher hours but with proper brightness settings would probably be in better condition than one with lower hours with brightness turned up too much. This is also why you should be somewhat leery of industrial monitors, especially those used in broadcast, because they were likely left on for hours and hours at a time and may also have network logos burned into them.

To answer your question, a CRT that had never been used would likely be in pristine condition, since it was never powered on and thus never had any of its components wearing.

>>2099234
>Suggesting someone leave a laser pointer aimed into their PVM rather than stick a cheap sticker to easily cleanable glass
Kya, I'm surprised at you.

>>2099154
Seriously, have you really thought about how rugged a PVM is? I guarantee you the screen of your PVM has been cleaned with much more caustic chemicals than the Windex or MAYBE Goo Gone you'd use to get the sticker residue off (though warm soapy water is best). ESPECIALLY if it was endoscopy unit.

I've been looking around for both an s-video switch and a component switch, but I'm concerned about potential quality loss with both. What does /crt/ recommend for a CRT in the USA?

>>2099372
Or just get one of these stupid things.

>>2099154

Washable marker. It's what I used many years ago when I played CS on my old CRT I pulled from a neighbor's garbage.

That old behemoth probably has at least 2 solid years of game time on it. One of the rgb guns died on it, and I put it away.

>>2099372
It was a joke, and he said he didn't want to stick anything to it.

Personally, I'd probably just stick a small piece of cheap electrical tape to it and call it done.

>>2096693
I've used the 2 extron units like that before. It doens't look anywhere near as good as a real 240p signal.

>>2099713
but the 480i out of the vsc actually looked pretty good for 480i, still very sharp

>>2099449
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>>2099501
>Washable marker
>when I played CS on my old CRT

scoutzknivez? scoutzknivez.

>>2099713
What units did you have and how did you have them hooked up?

>>2099369

I got a monitor recently a pc one,its in great cosmetic shape no damage to case or anything,was wondering how I could find out how much was it really used the previous owner(he bought it new),told me he never ever used it that much,just occasionally from time to time.

The picture tube(flat-screen) is also in good condition seems to be,no scratches all colors seem to be OK as far as I can tell,but I never used CRT's so I don't know what is good and what isn't

Is it possible to look at the inner components and circuitry to estimate how much use was present a lot or not ??


Also there is this weird problem it resets the settings every-time I turn it off and back on the menu is automatically reset,just like a bios issue you have when battery is dead,does it have a inner battery,that would explain that has been sitting and not used much

HELP

>>2099784
VSC 100 with rgbhv going into a RGB 201 RXI into a PVM, Ikegami, and a consumer trinitron. Also my trinitron has an option for interlacing in the service menu that makes it look the same. With scanlines but some weird flicker and not near as sharp as real 240p.

I know almost nothing about CRTs or anything, but this seemed to be the place to go to ask about mine.

It's old and only has composite (it's even monaural but that's not important) and I'm trying to find something to convert my VGA-output computer to it for emulation purposes.

All the adapter cables I've found have gotten universally abysmal one-star ratings with reviews that say they don't work.


If this isn't something I can ask about here then I apologize, but does anyone here use any composite-to-VGA cables for their CRTs that work well for them? Is there a better-but-more-indirect route to take for getting it hooked up well besides the obvious answer of finding a better CRT with S-Video?

>>2099885
Not good for emulation purposes. First of all you'd need to convert the signal which will introduce input lag. Then there's resolution and scaling issues you'd undoubtedly have to deal with. For something easy and straightforward, your best bet would be to emulate on a softmodded Wii.

>>2099898
Well that helps with Nintendo systems and things like the Genesis, but what about systems like the Saturn or PS1?

I'd ask if there were a way to easily mod a system to get those to work (don't have a Saturn and lost my PS1 but have both a PS2/3) that would be less hassle, but I suppose that isn't /vr/-appropriate. Is there a thread on /vg/ that you might know that I can ask that question without veering off-topic? I really apologize for needing to ask.

>>2099915
Swap Trick is stupid easy with slim PS2s.
There's an anon who does PS1 modchip work in the BST thread: >>2047384

>PS2/3) that would be less hassle, but I suppose that isn't /vr/-appropriate
Talking about PS2 or PS3 is perfectly fine so long as it concerns something having to do with PS1 games.

>/vg/
If it's emulation related, /emugen/: >>87691685

>>2099943
And then I went and botched the emu link

>>>/vg/87691685

>>2099946
>directing anyone to Emugen

That place is a shitpile now. Even our own emulation threads here in /vr/ are miles better.

>>2099956
I haven't browsed /vg/ for a long while now so I don't really know the current state of the thread.

And until there's an emu thread on /vr/ where he could get some information, that's that best I've got.

so I got a PVM-14L5, when it says "no sync" (but works) is that ok? I've never had a TV or monitor (CRT or otherwise) ask for sync before.

On a side note I decided to for nostalgia to watch Batman: Mask of the Phantasm on it for kicks and my fucking PS2 (my dvd player...) freezes on the PS2's configuration menu so I can't change it to progressive scan. Of course Google only gives "I have this problem too xD" or "call Sony if you have warranty". I guess I can try using my PS3 for this.

>>2099786

There isn't really a way I can think of to tell other than a service menu, which usually keeps track of the hours.

Does anyone have the Snes version of the 240p Test Suite? Sourceforge seems to be having some troubles.

>>2100163
>so I got a PVM-14L5, when it says "no sync" (but works) is that ok? I've never had a TV or monitor (CRT or otherwise) ask for sync before.
There should be a switch for where it looks for the sync signal. If you're using component video, you want "internal" (on Y) sync.

how do you photograph scanlines ? what settings do you use, i find it tricky

>see a really nice Sony KX-27ps1 for a really good price, only used a few time, in perfect condition
>send email to the owner immediately
>no answer for like 2 days
>send another email
>still no answer
>decide to call him
>he doesn't even pick his phone
>repeat it for 2 weeks
>still no answer
>tfw the ad is deactivated, meaning that he might have sold it to someone else, while I've been trying to get in touch with him for 2~3 weeks

>>2101480
It is tricky with an dated camera but sometimes it looks good ort sometimes it looks bad. This varies pretty much with the displayed picture, SMB1 never looks great but other games might look very decent like this one.

Speaking of scanlines:
>today
>be at work repairing shitty Samsung phones
I hate this job, but almost no one pays to repair (CRT) TVs anymore. ;_;
>get GT-I9300 to repair
>"shaded, blurry picture" says the fucker (customer)
>insert battery, turn on
>notice the startup logo looked way sharper than usual
>close up reveals a scanline effect
>every 2nd row was black
>this really was a hardware based scanline filter
>scanlines made the loss of resolution quite sharp
>mfw everything looked somewhat better
>but my bending test caused glitches or removed the scanlines
>diagnosis: internal connections in the display broken
>replace display, perform tests, software update and give this goddamn thing back to the goddamn customer
I will either quit in a couple of years or get in trouble because i threw the customers device against the wall.

Just bought a couple of service manuals for the two CRTs I own, and want to upload and share with /vr/. Hopefully can be added to the pastebin :)

Service Manuals are for:

Panasonic 28F250A - to the address filedropper dot com add a forward slash then tx28f250australiasmpanasonicen


Sony PVM-14M2U/E/A & PVM-14M2U/E/A - to the same address as above, add a slash and then pvm14m4asmsonyen

Sorry for that weird addressing method, but it thinks i'm spamming...

>playing video games on warped, blurry, ugly screens
Why?

>Might be able to buy four 20L2MDs but only have the money for 1

Sorry /vr/

>>2101836
That's why we prefer CRTs. LCD upscales and turns 240p signals into shit.

Bought one of these: http://www.sintron-hk.com/Wei-ya-CV-04-RGB-CGA-to-TV-composite-video-converter--P2699937.aspx to use svideo with a groovymame setup. Hopefully it makes it here from China in one piece. It'll be nice to use a curved glass crt, I'm not a fan these flat trinitrons.

>>2102063
http://www.sintron-hk.com/GBS-8100-VGA-to-RGBSCGAAVS-PC-to-arcade-video-converter-P2700046.aspx

why don't you choose the superior S-Video Option

>>2102063
>>2102367
Btw be sure to get the specifications right because some of these may just convert the VGA signal to a 480i res, and it looks super flickery and blurry on TVs, this is the reason i bought instead a damn PC CRT, because i couldn't find a SCART or PVM to avoid doing signal conversions

y'all are niggerplebs until you get on my level

>Trinitron

>>2102643
>Trinitron

This could be anything from a terribad 70s RF set to a widescreen 32" HD BVM that cost more than a car new.

>>2101502
i know that feel

also

>PVM 20M4E for sale
>150 eurydoos
>really little for what they usually go for
ohshit.jpg
>not home so can't buy because don't have credentials on cellphone
>get home this morning
>got sold
>there's a PVM 20M2E for the same price
>debated whether or not get it since it's 600tvlines and not 800

jesus christ

>>2101789
its funny when you put the camera right up to the screen

http://camp0s.altervista.org/sVideo/how_to.htm

I'm having the same problem as this guy, but on a crt.
Is this a good solution ?

>>2103408
The SCART input on his(and your) TV is likely not wired for S-Video and expecting composite on Pin 20, so it sees the Y portion of s-video on that line as just a black and white composite signal.

Bridging Pin 15 will get you the C portion of S-Video, thus a full color picture. While this works on a technical level, I'm not sure how smart of a solution it is or if there is some circuitry you should be using to combine the two.

CRTs are better for all vidya

inb4
>pick up those cans
No

>>2103541
Still love that stick tower.

>>2103541

Eh, I prefer my 2009 manufactured plasma for HD content. I'd still never use an LCD though.

>>2103541
Unless you actually want to read text or see anything

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3SZkjF1RDI

>>2103578
>thinks all CRTs are blurry
>not recognizing an xm37

That's 720p. Very readable.

just leaving this for you all to (maybe) enjoy

>>2101801
Thanks! I needed a manual for my 14M2U

>>2103541
>xm37
how does one even get ahold of large and good CRT monitors like this? Like it's not even a price issue for things like this, cause neither craigslist nor ebay have any ads for these types ever.

>>2103776
Prowled craigslist for 3 years.

>>2101801
Oops, i wrote 14M2 twice! Tthe second manual is also for the PVM-14M4U/E/A

>>2103718
You're welcome, anon :)

>>2102367
It has svideo, I don't know why they don't mention it though.

>>2102378
It just converts the colorspace and outputs composite and svid. I have a transcoder already, but would like to use some older curved glass crt's instead of flat ones. I actually have a 27" curved RCA with component input but it only syncs when it feels like it.

>>2103702
I seriously don't get why people like that guy before open their mouths.

>>2103784
Or get incredibly lucky with craigslist out of the blue.

>>2101801
Grabbed them and tossed them up on mediafire. I'll try to get the pastebin updated soon; Just been caught up with other shit lately.

>>2103704
I never thought I'd say this about anything, but the faux-wood looks better than the cheap plastic look of my TVs. Not sure how great a (presumably) RF only set from 76 would be for gaming though.

>>2104189
It would probably be GOAT for Atari and shit. Maybe the NES as well.

>>2104189
Oh yeah I just thought the ad was funny since it's all trinitron circlejerk in here
I would not buy that tv, would prefer a PVM from the mid 90s to 2000s

If you N64 guys really want some well-made amps, I can start mass producing my mini breadboard-based ones. Considered paying for PCBs but decided against it since tiny breadboards fit on the N64 heatsink just about perfects.

>>2103784
>>2104181
what are all the strings you normally search?

>>2104181
just remember to record all the models it applies to, because i forgot in that first post :) The cover of the manual tells you, obviously :)

>>2103541

How does the NEC handle HD content? I think my 29 model supports it (once I get a transcoder), but I am worried about how said content will look, especially since it isn't a widescreen tube. I know you posted a photo, but in person vs photo and all that. I was thinking about getting a decent computer monitor to play my most modern widescreen consoles, but if that handles them well maybe I can avoid...

>>2104415
Honestly?

CRT. I wasn't joking when I said incredibly lucky.

>>2104454
I gotcha.

>>2104473
I'm wondering how he has it connected up to output 720p.

>>2104473

That set can sync 720p, but not 1080p. The size and position controls are powerful enough position it in the center like that. The tape is there to help keep the aspect ratio. The picture is a bit bigger than my widescreen 32" LCD.

I use it for the size and It looks great (that photo makes it look pretty bad). It works especially well with subtitled anime because the subs can be displayed in the black bar under the picture. A CRT PC monitor would be clearer with 1080p, but obviously smaller.

Why do you need a transcoder for your 29?

>>2104505

Wii VGA cable. It seems like it works even though I have an ntsc console.

>>2104415

I think I found that one just by searching "nec".

>>2105920
>Wii VGA cable
Is there a specific one you're using. A quick search brings up a few cables of dubious quality.

>>2105943

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0015MISAG/

I don't know what kind of quality issues a cable like this could have, but it works fine for me.

>>2105972
Alright, so it looks like it's just an inline transcoder(and sync splitter) feeding off of the component lines.

>>2106024
That isn't the file I selected.

>>2106024
>inline transcoder(and sync splitter)

I feel like a cheap cable can't be that complicated. I guess a resistor math network wouldn't be too expensive to cram into a cable. Still more than I would expect.

>>2106304
Nearly certain that you can't get 31khz+ RGB signal out of the system, so that leaves changing the color space of the component signal and and splitting the sync info.

My snes has this model
Would I be able to get rgb with a scart canle no problem?

>>2106543
Cable*

>>2106543
Yes, all normal SNES's (model SNS-001) have S-Video and RGB out. Only the mini SNES's (model SNS-101) are missing S-Video and RGB, and they can easily be restored by modding.

>>2106552
Oh ok
All this "IT HAS TO BE 1CHIP OR IT SUCKS" has me worried

>>2106554
1CHIP SNES's are nice because they have better video quality in most cases than earlier models, but it's not the kind of different that you really need to be worrying about like sound quality in Genesis/MegaDrive versions. I have a North American 1CHIP and an early Japanese Sufami and the difference between them isn't that much. In fact, the early Sufami has a less prominent vertical line issue than my 1CHIP does.

Would any poster here happen to know if converting Hdmi to sdi will introduce input delay?

I'm going to attempt to use a playstation 3 through hdmi to a converter to a hd compatible sdi crt, so I was merely wanting to know if I would experience delay?

>>2106567
My genesis 1 is the non "high defenition model but with the still good motherboard not the shitty later one
And I always play 32x on it anyways so i got a special patch cable to transfer the stereo jack sound and video into the 32x in one cable the use a model 2 SCART for hd goodness

>>2106575
I would think that it would increase the delay by some amount. If your CRT can take HD component, you might want to get component cables for your PS3. I've used them for playing my PS3 in standard def on my Sony PVM and it looks really good other than the tiny text.

What happens if I plug the composite sync from my RGB cable into composite?

>>2106772

If it still carried a composite signal, it will display stuff, but if it's only a sync signal (like on the Megadrive RGB cable), then it won't display anything.

>>2105920
What signal is passing through the VGA cable though? The wii is only capable of outputting 480p at best, isn't it?

>>2107552
Wii U can output 720p and 1080i over component, so that's what the cable is working with.

>Trinitron with built in betamax player
Neat

What's the best way to hook up my old CRT TV to my PC?

>>2108012
Get an old Radeon card with s-video and download crt_emudriver

or buy that vga to composite converter on Amazon

What's the best amiga type monitor to use?

>>2107949
That's making me a little bit wet.

>>2108054
Not him, but do you have a list of such cards?

could you also not use any card that outputs through HSMI and downscale that to component or S-video?

>>2108182
http://mame.3feetunder.com/windows-ati-crt-emudriver/

Going through a digital->analog converter will introduce lag

Check out MAME forums, this is a pretty common question for arcade cab hobbyists

Has anybody here used an OSD RGB hack on a normal TV? What did you use for your inputs? I'm leaning towards SCART with composite on sync expected to be routed internally to the normal composite input.

>>2108396
Sometimes the engineers do such a hack and this one in particular is not the best solution.
Either they should added some resistance to ground before the input capacitor or better used highspeed analogue CMOS switches.

>>2108450
I feel like I'm not getting your point. Are you talking about how the connections need to be terminated with 75 ohms and then paired with a coupling capacitor?

>>2108831
The way how they mixed the OSD with the RGB input.
It's very poorly done and causes a certain capacitance.
I took comparison pics just to show this issue.
Notice that the white bar leaves a trail to the right and how it stops at the black bar.
On composite it wouldn't happen but it's prone to get noisy, the BE-4 chassis has a lot of flaws and it's stupid that the older BE-2A chassis is so much better.

>>2108921
This issue was quite annoying when i saw it.
It was very visible in SMK and certain movie scenes.
The older KV-M1420D has the same tube as the KV-M1450D but the BE-2A chassis displays RGB crisp like a VGA monitor when the convergence is very good unlike the BE-4 chassis which is prone to display a noisy picture.
I blame Sony for using the Motorola MC44002 instead of many TDA/TEA series chips by Philips and STmicroelectronics like they did often in the late 80s and early 90s.

For anyone that's went the old GPU route for connecting a PC to an RGB monitor, is there a specific model I should look for?
ATi x600? It's plentiful and cheap
Would going for a 128mb model have much of a difference over a 256 if I'm just planning on going for 5th gen?

If the anon that managed to get the GMA950 to work for this is around, I'd love if they could give me some pointers on how to get the damn thing working.

^ somewhat related to the above question

When using an old GPU for the video-out, can you still use your current GPU for graphics processing?

>>2108098
I like to use 1084S because it matches my A1200 perfectly, but it looks nice with any RGB capable monitor, now I have connected her to PVM 2130QM.

>>2109151
Now *that* would be cool. Can it be done?

I've only just started looking into the idea of getting an old s-video capable gfx card, and i understand nothing about how to make it output lower resolutions like 240p.. A helpful anon above posted some links to the drivers, but even that is beyond me right now. If anyone has a good guide it'd be appreciated.

well hello there

look wat I just scored,sharper then any other sony tv or monitor out there

>>2109297
I don't think there's GPU that can generate 240p S-video, it will always be 480i. You have to use RGB and Soft15khz or calamity driver.

>>2108921
>>2108936
I still feel like I'm missing something. Are you saying that on some models have a better RGB implementation than others? Because that's a "no duh".

>>2109336
I saw you post that lacie like a week ago.

Tripod seems to work.

I play retro on an old Commodore 128 screen

>>2109336

Nice, enjoy your emulation inaccuracies and improper resolutions.

>>2110046

>he doesn't know how to connect an RGB console to a VGA PC monitor.

>>2110053

>he uses a scandoubler

Enjoy your improper motion and your added lag.

>>2109883

Commodore monitors are really nice composite video monitors, yeah.