/vr/ - Retro Games

No. The demand is slowly and steadily increasing against a supply that is finite. At best, prices will plateau, but if you're hoping for the "bubble to pop" and you can buy games for pennies like in the Funcoland days then don't hold your breath

>rich spoiled fucks

Hey I bust my butt to earn my paycheck. Way I see it, if I buy it for $80 bucks now I won't have to pay $200 bucks for it in another few years.

What's wrong with being able to afford what I want? I suppose I could wait to see if the price might go down, but then I would be in your position.

What really is blowing my mind is the price increase in N64 and PS1 stuff. Been seeing on a regal basis people wanting $100+ for a N64 and controller... Or the horror PS1 games that are $50+.
God damn ridiculous. But maybe it'll drive the 4th gen and earlier prices down.

>>2071702
I already have a flashcart for SNES, mainly cause i didn't own the SNES games i wanted (but i own at least 23).

I still plan to get the chip based titles from japan and some games that are worth to buy, the problem is, i cant find them anywhere outside of the internet.

NES on the other hand, i stilll want to own games without a flashcart since i already own 100 NES games (and i do play most of them from time to time) and i don't feel like investing in another flashcart just to get the remaining games when in my case there's 65

>>2071827
cont...

now, i don't know if people would agree with me, of course i am on par with buying the games that are worth to own psychically, but as for now, its not worth with, specially if you came late to the party.

>>2071809
don't worry most people on 4chan are poor ass plebs that don't understand the value of money.

>>2071809
>>2071841
>Supporting price gougers because you are too impatient to actually pay what the product is worth.

You are part of the problem.

>>2071809
that is stupid to pay a higher then original release price for an old as hell game?, specially IF its used, which is the point of buying things for cheap, they are USED?

I don't give a shit, flashcarts are perfect, I'm just afraid of the increase of the prices and/or unavailability of consoles and CRT TVs.

Especially more shoddily made non-Nintendo/Sega/Sony consoles.

>>2071848
>>2071846

According to who? Only I can determine what something is worth to me. Call me an idiot, but you guys are just irritable because the market ain't bending in your favor.

I work for the things I want, and I ain't going broke over my purchases.

Oy, you guys are disconnected.

Buy flashcarts, fuck the police

>>2071702
It's no different than any other finite commodity, take oil for instance. what is a barrel of oil worth? demand determines market price. as long as you neckbeard faggots are willing to pay $500 for little samson then that is what it is worth.

>>2071876
You don't need videogames like you need oil. If people just fucking put their foot down and said "Super Metroid isn't worth 50 bucks I won't buy it" the price would go down.

>>2071884
>need
>oil
I live in a nuclear state. We don't need oil. Yet, we buy it. Short-term convenience is powerful.

>>2071876
>oil
>not the most artificially raised and lowered product humanity has ever seen
You could research for a lifetime and not understand all the subsidies, conflicts, taxes, favors, price setting, price forecasting, all the fucking shit that goes into what makes a barrel of oil cost what it does.

I've noticed a lot of /v/ kids on /vr/ that don't understand what a free market is.

>>2071886
is the used video game market not artificially inflated? how is this different? please school us in the subtle nuances of this "free market" that exists for video games anon

>>2071861
As much as I dislike the rising prices, this is true. Finite supply, people not ever parting with them once they are collected. Buying over the market price isn't the problem, it's the resellers and the hoarders.

If you want to collect cheaply try GC/PS2/XBOX. Still really easy to find the games, kids who grew up on them are young enough that they've sold their games but do not yet have the money/drive to re-collect their childhood game collections.

If you want to collect anything, understand that those with money are going to be able to collect things. They make the market, with their cash.

>>2071902
One is a necessity good and the other is a luxury good.

>>2071876
>>2071884
>>2071885
>>2071886
>>2071902
Can we get back on topic? This is looking awfully /int/ & /biz/ in here right now.

>>2071905
yet they are both finite resources, perhaps a different comparison would be more appropriate? what do you suggest?

>>2071906

I think those responses are pretty on-topic. OP mentioned a bubble and not being able to afford things. What kind of response would something like that merit besides the ones that have been posted?

>>2071906
there isn't much to discuss really. it's a self fulfilling prophecy if you will. retro blogs and articles generate interest in a particular game or genre of game, someone with said game posts it for sale with a slightly inflated price. interested parties pay said inflated price. the cycle completes again with ever increasing prices. it's simple really.

>>2071908
Neither is finite. Humans will always adapt to use oil or move to something else.

Only original games are finite. And as far as Genesis and SNES is concerned you can pretty much count the amount of games with less 200,000k+ units sold in America on your hand. There's no shortage of supply. Thanks 100% to ebay and their new policy.

A better and far more organized comparison would be diamonds. There's no shortage of diamonds only controlled hordes.

>>2071919
disregarding your statement about how crude oil is somehow an infinite resource, I accept that natural diamonds are finite, and we all know that their value is determined by an international cabal of jewish diamond merchants.

>>2071931
Using oil will always become more efficient and recyclable.

I meant to say the price was due 100% because of ebay's new policy. Like diamonds it's a oligopoly.

The Earthbound bubble might pop.

I can't imagine the retro market as a whole is going to collapse any time soon.

>>2071957
Certain games will. All it'll take is one horde to be found and that mass of games to pop up on ebay. Reseller scum wont be able to buy them all.

What pisses me off is that no one has released a cheap cartridge for n64 and SNES that can boot up games from an SD card.

I would love to play so many different translated roms on the original hardware but no I have to pay $200+ for some fucked up looking thing that some guy handmade

>>2071974
They're like $100 for just the board and plays nearly every game. At least all the American releases. Everdrive64

>>2071974
>no one has released a cheap cartridge for n64 and SNES that can boot up games from an SD card.
>no one

oh, if only something like this would exist

>>2071974

>wanting to play fanslated binhacks on "muh original hardware"

For what purpose?

>>2072000

Because if japanese fuckers could play Metal Max on their SNES's 20 hours ago then I should be able to do so now.

PCs aren't comfy, deal with it

>>2072004

>hook PC up to TV
>use my sweet USB joypad
>literally identical experience to my actual SNES without having to fuck with cleaning the connections or ejecting/reinserting the cartridge repeatedly

Seems pretty comfy to me.

I fucking wish. But no. I don't own flash carts because they're more convenient, I own them since for the price of that fucking thing I could get maybe three or four games for its system.

>>2071809

Or you could put that money towards an everdrive. Or only pay $10 and play it on virtual console (inb4 paying for roms, I know some people just don't want to not pay for their games since it's illegal or whatever.) Or just emulate it for free.

There's spending your money how you want and then there's just being ignorant of how you're overpaying for something.

>>2071702
No chance. Even if all the kids bitching about prices grow up and get decent jobs the next generation will bitch about prices

>>2071974
>snes everdrive is $80 board only.

>>2072015
>what if people own a SNES and does not want to play on PC
>DUUUR HUUUUUR PAY THE $50 PRAICE FOR SUPRRRR MEEHTROIT YOU POORFAGE!

>>2071861
This. Guy knows basic economics.

It's not worth the money to you, it is to some. Theyll shell out the money and somebody makes a living off it.

>>2071884
If everyone decided not to buy any certain thing, it would become worthless. That's just plain dumb. Supply and demand, dumbass

>>2071819
The N64/PS1 kids are coming into the age of having money to blow on stuff, so they're using it to get back their childhoods, just as has already occurred with the preceding generations.

And yes, this should mean that NES and SNES games are on the downward slope for prices, barring the rare games that will always be valuable. As the people get older, you see that those who had interest in those things of their childhood are now content with their new life, and that those who followed them have their own childhood toys. Such is the way that things go.

So if you're looking for games, I would recommend getting any PSX/N64 games you want now, before it really gets crazy. And anything for 6th gen too, that's going to get much worse in the next 10 years.

>>2071903
>If you want to collect cheaply try GC/PS2/XBOX

This.
I'm stocking up on 6th gen stuff right now since it's right in that Goldilocks zone now. Too new to be considered "retro" but too old to be in demand for most current gamers

I didn't even know there was a bubble until I saw people bitching about it on /vr/. As long as buying old Japanese games doesn't suddenly become popular I think I'll be okay. Maybe I can even take advantage of the bubble and sell my copy of Chrono Trigger that has literally everything it had when it was sold in a store 19 years ago.

Out of curiosity, what caused this and when did it start?

>>2072225
1. Manchildren make YouTube videos pandering to actual children
2. Manchildren talk about retro games
3. Actual children impulse-buy them from eBay with dad's credit card

2009 or 2010.

>>2072238

Sounds like a pain in the ass. I remember seeing the prices on some popular games like Chrono Trigger and FF VI and 2007 and they were high then. I got the Japanese versions of FF IV-VI and Chrono Trigger with the instruction manuals included in great condition for like, 80-90 dollars total.

>>2072180
>And anything for 6th gen too, that's going to get much worse in the next 10 years.

That scares the shit out of me. I don't want the JRPGs to get even more expensive than they are now.

>STUFF THAT IS IN LIMITED SUPPLY THAT IS POPULAR IS GROWING INCREASINGLY EXPENSIVE AND I THINK THAT'S BULLSHIT
>this same thread every day

>>2072225
>As long as buying old Japanese games doesn't suddenly become popular I think I'll be okay.
This. Import prices are still sane so I'm safe.

>>2072225
>As long as buying old Japanese games doesn't suddenly become popular

They still suffer from the same problem. There were loads of copies of Radiant Silvergun made, yet it still goes for ludicrous Nintendo-tier prices.

>>2072024
...you don't really get why people collect things, do you?

>>2072547
For not playing the games you collect, and having those games in a shelve, and say you have a great collection, with other autistics like you?

>>2072547
You're the problem.

>>2073437
Nothing wrong with collecting something you love.

>>2073440
There's everything wrong with hipsters collecting video games just to let collect dust and not play.

>>2073443
Why do you think it's either "collect games and not play them" or "just emulate and don't collect?"

I only buy games I want to play, but I like having a bit of physical history for the games too. I'm a collector and I play everything I own

The babbi's wont know this, but you have to buy during the right time.
There needs to be one whole generation between the current and what you want to buy for. It happens every cycle.

Right now is the time for PS2 and Xbox games.

I bought all the NES games I wanted for like $5 when the N64 was out.
I bought all the SNES games I wanted when the GC was out.
I bought all the Dreamcast games out when they announced it was dead.
PS2 lasted forever, so the sweet spot was before the PS3 came out.

Theres a fine line between trash and treasure. You need to buy when the whole world thinks it's trash. Right now its PS2, Xbox, and GC.

Gamestop is a good indicator of when to buy. When they stop carrying a product, that is when you buy your collection. The casuals can no longer trade in their "crap" so they think of it as worthless. Next thing you know, they sell all 50 of their games for $20.

>>2073453

>ugh, need to proof read.

PS2 lasted forever, so the sweet spot for PS1 was before the PS3 came out.

>>2073451
You're not playing the games if you're emulating them.
You can buy the games all you want. Just don't get mad when you get called the problem with retro video game collecting.
>>2073453
You don't know how collecting works.
Very few things from the 6th gen will be worth money. Far too much out there.
The 5th too. Only reason prices are high is ebay. You say "babbi" but you probably don't know why.

>>2073429
Calm down.

>>2073437
>>2073429

You whiners confuse me. Why do you even come here if the notion that people love /vr/ games so much that they collect and care for them enrages you this much? The only answer I can come up with is that you're some sort of poorfag and this is just sour grapes that all the collectors out there are happy and enjoying their ever-expanding collection while you act like your single everdrive cartridge is even remotely in the ballpark of the same thing.

>>2073607
Reseller scum please go.

>>2071702
Not completely, but it will calm down. Once emulation becomes perfect--and it will--the need to have the original hardware will dwindle. That said, there will always be people who insist that the original hardware is best and/or "correct."

>>2073613
>anyone that buys video games must intend to resell them!!!
Aspergers pls go

>>2073621
Demand will die down when people who grew up with the original hardware die. As time goes on and on, fewer and fewer people will have an emotional connection with the hardware and thus less impetus to insist on it. Diehards will exist, but their numbers will decrease.

in before
>you're wrong I'm 10 years old and I collect retro i never grew up with

You're not far enough removed.

>>2073624
>supports current prices
>claims flashcarts are bad
Just go back to /v/ already.
>>2073621
People can't even make a perfect nes emulator. The only thing that will happen is shitty mobile emulators. Other than that the focus is playing roms at the correct speed and with as few glitches as possible. Hardware accuracy is at the button of the list of priorities.

>>2073629
That's not true with any collecting. Only fad collecting dies out and it's not with the generation but within.

>>2073631
Given enough time, it will happen. There's nothing magical about the hardware that makes it impossible to be replicated for all time.

>>2073631
>unreasonably angry about people willing to spend more money on something than he personally thinks it's worth
>cannot fathom why older gamers would want the physical copies of the games they love
>supports emulation and flashcarts
Yeah, someone stinks of /v/ here and it's not me. Buck up, champ. You can play all the vidya you want on your computer and we'll even lurk in the "show off your collection!" threads.

>>2073639
I wouldn't hold your breath.
>>2073643
Keep sitting on those BiNs guy.

>>2073648
Enjoy your single cartridge collection. I bet it really looks amazing and instills the same level of achievement and comfort that a real one would too.

>>2073648
Look at what humanity has accomplished in the past 100 years. If you really think we can't master the mysteries of decades-old video game hardware in 1/5 that time (and that's being generous) you're deluded.

>>2073650
I'm not against collecting but this retort is only going to work against you.

>>2073650
Been collecting for years. Not from your BiNs though scumbag.
Can't wait till ebay changes back to how it was and kills off you assholes.

>>2073652
It's that no one can't it's that no one will.

>>2073662
Okay, if it makes you feel better, you're right, it won't ever happen. Sure. Hug your NES before you go to sleep tonight, close your eyes and pretend it's hugging you back.

>>2073654
I've never re-sold a single game in my life, but nice job suddenly backpedaling and acting like you're a collector.
>oh yea, i collect for years! all those insults about collectors? i was j/k
It's cool, man. You don't get why people enjoy having hard copies of their games, or that sense of warmth and pride to be surrounded by a library of titles that you love. Just quit being an autist and bitching about the people that do.

>>2071876
I remember Little Samson being about 70 dollars on ebay maybe 5 or so years ago and thinking how expensive that was for some old video game.

>>2073671
Play your emulation. Not saying don't and I didn't mean any offense.
>>2073673
Oh so you're one of those hipsters that just got into the hobby and is now bragging about the money you spent for this "history". Ok then.

>>2073654
>>2073648

What's BiN?

>>2073682
>everyone in the world but me who collects retro is a hipster
Seriously, get back to your containment board /v/. This brand of contrarian aspie rage has no place on /vr/.

>>2073683
Buy it now. A new thing on ebay that got changed awhile back. It's the main cause for the price of retro games.

>>2073690
Looks like I called it.

>>2073693
Ah. I don't usually buy from e-bay. I've never seen a game there go for less (or even just roughly equal) to what Amazon, JJGames or any other set-price vendor was asking. Also, I guess I've always just kind of figured that everyone on e-bay was a scammer selling broken or reprinted fake stuff and unlike with an actual vendor, you can't refund there.

I could be entirely wrong on all accounts though, these are just my impressions.

>>2073697
Yes, you're absolutely right. I and everyone else on /vr/ that collects only does so because we're teenaged hipsters who like retro games ironically. You are LITERALLY the only person in the whole board who collects for any other reason. Maybe even the whole world. But don't let me distract you further, I'm sure you need to get back to masturbating to pictures of yourself.

>>2073701
ebay has a lot of buyer protection. There's still deals but resellers with their BiNs and people like >>2073690 >>2073673 >>2073650 buying them raised prices to stupid levels.

>>2073705
Project much?

>>2073705
Quit letting him provoke you. There are two types of collectors.

One finds a game that he wants, so he goes out and buys it. Maybe he spent more than what it was worth new, maybe he got ripped off, but he doesn't care. He wanted the game and so he went and bought it.

The other kind is on a fixed income. Maybe he lives at home, maybe he goes to school, maybe he just has a shit job. Whatever the case, he has to look for bargains. He sees the game that collector one bought for more money than he can afford and it pisses him off. "Collector one is a BiN hipster faggot that doesn't even really like vidya. He probably resells too."

You had it right before when you said sour grapes. That's all it is.

>>2073728
>anyone who doesn't pay ebay price is poor
Holyshit the reseller scum is strong ITT.

>>2073728
>Collector one is a BiN
>probably resells too

>>2073737
>doesn't pay ebay price
>reseller scum

See? Poorfags recycle the same insults over and over against anyone that can afford the things they can't. If you're financially in a position where spending an extra $10-$30 on a game means nothing to you and you're willing to do so you can have it now? More power to you. Don't let the poorfags trick you into thinking there's something noble or better about having to deal-hunt or that you owe other collectors a fucking thing by not buying the game and waiting for a better deal. They'd do the same to you in a heartbeat if they had the money.

>>2073749
Shill harder holy shit.

>>2073753
That's just sad.

>>2073643
>cannot fathom why older gamers would want the physical copies of the games they love

I approve of this, but 80% of the time it's not the case, it's just compulsive collectors buying whatever they feel is rare and pricey or better, artificially inflated to look like it.

>>2073773
>buying whatever they feel is rare
Outside the "post your rares!!!" threads, I almost never see that. I think most collectors are just late-20, early-30 something people getting into the hobby and bitching when they discover that all the big titles that they grew up with like your Final Fantasies, Chrono Triggers and Secrets of Manas are going for exorbitant prices now. Someone has to be blamed because someone always has to be blamed, and naturally, greedy hand-wringing Jew resellers gouging everyone is the standard 4chan culprit. I think the real issue is that these are just older games. People sell them thinking that like most collectibles time will have increased their value or that since they've been out of print so long, surely it must be rare.

>>2073796
There's no reason for them to cost what they do. There are 100s of thousands of them. Thank ebay's stupid new policy.

>>2073796
>People sell them thinking that like most collectibles time will have increased their value or that since they've been out of print so long, surely it must be rare.

And that's what reselling scum is all about. You're overestimating the moral integrity of these "people" for no apparent reason when they know better than selling their games without making a huge profit out of it.

There's no way in hell I'm ever going to bother building real collections for systems I didn't already own. I only have sizable amounts of games for things like genesis, n64, and gamecube because I actually owned them from the start and have built them over time. I've bought a couple games after the price inflation happened, but there's no fucking way I'd pay these prices if I were trying to go from nothing to owning a system and dozens of games from scratch.

Now I'll just buy an occasional game if I see something on ebay going for a really low price and no one else is snatching it up. Or if I get a new system, I'll buy it with the intent of just playing burned games, which is what I did for my saturn and dreamcast.

I don't think the bubble is ever going to "pop." Prices aren't going to magically fall down. Now, for some of the extreme examples, it's possible they'll go down slightly, but they'll never be cheap. It'll really just level out somewhere

I remember back like 10 years ago when I was so close to buying a SNES on Ebay. It was like 40 bucks for the console and all the hookups, plus a bunch of games (and not just a ton of crap sports shit). I remember thinking "eh... still too expensive, maybe later on because these old things only get cheaper and cheaper."

The bubble won't ever fully pop. Higher prices are here to stay. Some stuff will go down like Earthbound and shit like that, but the stuff that is actually rare will stay valuable. The hobby as a whole will eb and flow based on who's doing the buying.

As far as who's to blame for the jump in prices, I think it's kind of on everyone at this point. Collectors have no one to blame but themselves, and the people who claim to just want to play the games have tons of more cost effective options if playing is really what it all boils down to for you. No one group of people caused it. I feel like a lot of people are saying one thing and doing another.

Ultimately, it comes down to what you value more. The experience of playing a game, or the physical game itself and, in some cases, the memories that come with it. Whatever side you land on makes it the other sides fault.

>>2073652
30+ year old stuff still isn't emulated perfectly.

>>2073728
There are a lot more than two types of collectors but yeah, the main source of butthurt seems to be that everyone thinks there's only one and it's whatever they think it is.

>>2073804
>ebay's stupid new policy
What? To develop mind control technology to force people to become retarded?

Yes and the ever drive is going to be what does it.

>>2071702
You gaijin so silly. In Japan we bath in video games because cheaper than water. But we not popular bubble bath and water destroy games so no bubble to pop.

>>2073728
There's only one type of collector.

Mentally ill hoarders who irrationally waste their money on a video game collection. All they are is the kind of human who debunk Adam's Smith idea that the market is controlled by rational human choices. You're just ego driven hoarder who waste their "hard-earned" paycheck on trivial shit, yet defend it like you're in the right. Go ahead, waste your money on artificially inflated video games, but do not go bragging about it. Although you aren't so much bragging as you are using a defense mechanism, deep down even know you're a fucking idiot for paying artificially inflated prices for games, why else would you be so defensive and attack "poorfags" for your irrational financial decisions. But hey, technically I am the only real reseller scum since I have in fact manipulated the price of games and sold then at artificial prices.

This is all well and good, but how have these threads impacted the market? I hate to think that they're just a waste of energy and everyone goes home frustrated regardless.

>>2073967
>it's not perfect now so it can never, ever happen

>>2073990
>i dont understand why anyone would collect anything ever
Oh, it shows.

>>2071819

Asking prices and what they're actually being sold for are different things

>>2073990
So in other words you're a Jew

Shalom brother

>>2071702
Only if you can't play the games any more.

Yes I know that collectors don't care shit about being able to play them. They'll soon become the next "modern art"-whitewashing scheme.

Daily reminder you fucks are also the responsibles of this because you guys have implanted in your brains the idea the person who plays the game on an emulator with an xbox controller is a pleb, and the only way to get the full experience is with the original game/system on a 1989 Sony Triniton

>>2073980
Ahso.

Atari 2600 games were expensive in the late 90s because everyone was collecting them since people who played them as children were middle-aged/mid-to-late 30s who had cash and were buying them up.

Now nobody wants them, so you can't even sell them for pennies.

I don't know if any of you remember PS1 games being expensive a few years back, especially stuff like Megaman Legends, which has bottomed out in price. PS1 is a dead market. Everything is cheap outside of a few holdouts which have been commanding high prices even since the PS2 days: Like Suikoden II, Valkyrie Profile, Tactics Ogre, and Megaman Legends 2. But that is simply because the supply is so low. NES is going to slow down eventually, because once all the people interested in collecting NES games stop buying them, the demand will drop, and the supply will outstrip demand and the prices will drop. This will happen to SNES as well.

Of course, there are some games that just do not adhere to the market forces of supply and demand. Earthbound is one of these examples.

Legitimately rare games will always be expensive. This is the same for any market. Cars, guns, video games. The rarest will always command high prices due to rarity. Everything else is based on supply and demand. Though, I will not deny that there are cases where the prices rise far beyond any reasonable explanation simply because people will sometimes pay more for something than it's actually worth. Popular products will always command a higher premium due to brand recognition. I'm sure there are games that are actually rare for retro consoles like PC Engine, or Neo Geo that do not command an Earthbound-like price because there's little-to-no demand, or a lack of a brand name recognition to demand a premium on price. In that regard, Sega seems to be a good bet for great retro games that are still reasonably priced, but do not command Nintendo-prices.

>>2074039
>xbawks controller

Pls no

>>2074082

cont.

But there's always the possibility of the supply-side of the market attempting to manipulate the market through 'hoarding' stock. This happens sometimes, but it's a risky business proposal because it only takes a few individuals to connect the dots and realize that just because the prices are high, it doesn't mean people are buying. Then they release a glut of the product onto the market, undercut the competition's prices, and cause a market crash. Though it's just as risky for the person doing this as it is for the person trying to hoard product to inflate prices.

But in all things capitalist, one needs to remember a few things:

All markets expand and contract.
Sometimes value is whatever people decide it is.
Some things just never go out of style.
Every bubble has to pop eventually.

>>2074039

>and the only way to get the full experience is with the original game/system on a 1989 Sony Triniton

This is true

>>2074082

>Sega seems to be a good bet for great retro games that are still reasonably popular, but do not command Nintendo-prices.

Typo'd that so hard.

>>2074039

But it's true, Anon. Maybe you just don't know because you didn't have these systems, and only played the games on whatever shitty emulator you like to use. Lemme guess...ePSXe, ZNES, or some outdated SNES9x you pulled off of Coolroms? Or do you load up 'Le RetroArch' and play with the screen curvature settings set to 'oval'?

Sour grapes, faggot.

I'll be enjoying my apples.

Playing old video games with your Xbox 360 controller? Pfft. Pleb.

>>2074039
>xbox controller

Look buddy, I'm all for emulation, but playing retro games with an Xbox controller is fucking sacrilege. Connect a retro controller to your PC with a proper adapter, or pick up one of the Buffalo USB remakes. But holy fuck, no Xbox controller.

>>2074005
>I'll say it takes 20 years and then when someone points out it hasn't been accomplished in 30 years engage full 3rd grade argument mode

>>2074108
You don't need to do all that. Really the only controller you CAN'T use is the 360 pad just because of the shitty d-pad. Any other controller imaginable would be fine though.

>>2074093
>>2074082
The only reason Atari 2600 games were expensive is because ebay didn't play a role. You didn't have a national market.

>>2074108
xbox controller is pretty good for dos games that actually recognize analogue input

>>2073650
Do these autistic people actually listen to the things they say? I like owning games too, but Jesus, if you literally feel a deep sense of accomplishment from owning plastic you need to re-evaluate your life.

>>2074159
>if you literally feel a deep sense of accomplishment from owning stamps you need to re-evaluate your life.
>if you literally feel a deep sense of accomplishment from owning coins you need to re-evaluate your life.
>if you literally feel a deep sense of accomplishment from owning vintage records you need to re-evaluate your life.
>if you literally feel a deep sense of accomplishment from owning artwork you need to re-evaluate your life.
Kind of holds true for anyone collecting anything by that standard, doesn't it? I own a very substantial library of books too. I could probably fit them all on a tablet, but having a physical collection is something that appeals to people. If you don't get why someone would collect something, it's fine.

Sucks that there are so many people listing games at buy-it-now prices that are simply overpriced. Can't tell you how many times I've checked pricecharting.com only to see that their current average sale price is basically nonexistent and everyone is asking for way more.

At least sometimes people who do buy-it-now also take offers, and I've made "okay" deals by haggling the price down to something reasonable. You still don't get any ridiculous deals this way, but you at least talk them down into something reasonable.

on a somewhat related note, how much is a revision 0 dreamcast worth? My DC died and I'm looking to buy a new one. I hear rev0's are more reliable but I want to see what the price discrepancy is

>>2074169
That's fine and all, and I have video game collections to, but it's just stupid and needlessly elitist to look down on people for using everdrives/burned games/etc.

>>2074178
I collect and look down on Everdrives, but it has nothing to do with me being a collector. I just plain don't understand the appeal of Everdrives.

If you want to play the game, use a free ROM. If you want to own the game, buy a copy. But Everdrives? Why would you spend money on an imitation of the game? Do people consider it collecting? I just... feel like there's got to be some advantage here that I'm not understanding, because Everdrives seem like a sucker's deal to me.

>>2074184
Because people can collect consoles without bothering with the libraries.
Because they still want to play on actual hardware instead of emulating (and certain consoles like N64 have shit emulation)

Emulators are imitations of console hardware. Everdrives are not imitations, since the games are just data.

>>2074184

Because I want to fucking play Dragon Quest V on the SNES in English.`

>>2074189
as for being a "sucker's deal", that depends. If you don't care about keeping a bookshelf full of game carts, it's a deal because you can easily end up paying more than an everdrive's cost with just a handful of games. Larger upfront cost but you save money compared to buying more and more game carts over time

>>2074189
I guess it never occurred to me that people would consider consoles a collection. To me that's like being a movie fanatic and so you collect a bunch of DVD players / Betamax / VHS / etc devices... and then not actually own any actual movies outside bootlegs and burned copies.

Still, if it makes people happy, good for them. I don't need to understand it or agree with it for someone to enjoy it.

I only buy physical copies of games I need to pay respect to because I really enjoyed them, and felt bad for missing out in the past. Even if I'm technically buying the game from the people who made it. And it must be a really damned good game to get into my house. Like when you buy figures of anime/other games, you're gaining a missing shred of your soul. It's an emotional thing.

That's why serious collectors who jack off to plastic/labels and don't even play their games are retarded and dangerous to chill guys who just buy real copies as a form of respect.

>>2074195
>Even if I'm technically buying
*I'm not

It's because all the "retro gaming" channels always talk about MUH ORIGINAL COPIES and how they would never ever use or play pirated versions, even on the original hardware.

It doesn't even make sense. It's not like you're buying from nintendo or supporting developers or any of the typical arguments used for anti-piracy, since you're just buying second-hand. I'm pretty sure the real reason for them all acting like this is because they want to self-validate their collections or something. Nothing wrong with justifying collecting, but don't make it out to be some moral highground

>>2073462
>disc media
>more likely to be thrown out/destroyed over cartridge based games.
>pokemon blue, red, green sold more copies than any other pokemon ever made.

some how 5th and 6th won't be worth money.
wait for the next cycle when those kids grow up and buy the games their parents didn't get them as kids. Watch the halo xbox be worth a shit ton. I've seen this cycle pretty much since I first noticed it in the early 90's. Soon as SNES/GENS were out, you could get NES in the bargin bin/pawn shops for $5. Its happened every single generation. The fact that optical based media is much more fragile than the previous rom based media negates the fact that they produced more. The valuable games were always produced in low amounts, no matter what generation it is.

Why the fuck are gamecube games so expensive compared to PS2 and Xbox stuff? I can't really complain since it was my main console back in the day and I have a giant collection of them from being an idiot teenager with spare cash and a part time job, but yeah.

And the "less popular so it's more rare" argument doesn't make any sense, considering the most expensive games for GC are also some of the most common and synonymous ones for the system. Meanwhile everything for PS2/Xbox is pennies, and Xbox sold basically the same amount as GC regardless.

anybody with a functioning brain will buy a flash cart while everyone else will willing get raped in the ass.

>>2074216
It's the Nintendo brand mostly, coupled with a bunch of common games that are overly hyped like
>All the first party games, especially Melee

Coupled with a handful of actually rare and/or uncommon games like
>Pokemon Box, NCAA 2k3

Although it's hilarious that component cables sell for more than any game on the system

>>2073462
hard drives with content that doesn't exist anymore will be worth shitloads

>>2074131
>Saying "within the next 20 years" is somehow negated by "hasn't happened in the previous thirty"

>technological accomplishments don't advance as time moves forward

>They didn't have 16k displays in the past 30 years so they definitely won't in the next 20

>>2074131
I never said "it takes 20 years," I said 20 years from now. Big difference. You were saying something about third grader argument mode?

>>2074216

>Why the fuck are gamecube games so expensive compared to PS2 and Xbox stuff?

when a system have poor sales, that means the games for that system are very low. Thats an advantage of high selling systems. Also the PS2/PS1 is easy as fuck to chip mod or software mode, so no one bothers buying the games.

>>2074294
I already addressed this point in the second half of the post. Also, everyone and their dog has a wii, which is even easier to mod and play pirated GC games than PS2

>>2074294
The Nintendo effect.

It's retarded, but for whatever reason Nintendo games spike in price harder and go up in value earlier than other consoles.

PSX games until less than 10 years ago where sold for like a buck from value bins.

A smart idea, if you want to be a speculating asswipe but make some money is to hurry up and buy up and stock up on PS2 and Xbox games and get whatever "rare" Wii games before they explode in price.

>>2074131

>currently 1880
>didn't have cars in 1850
>obviously won't have cars by 1900 either

I may be a time traveler but I agree with this guy, he knows what's up. If it didn't exist in the past it can never exist in the future.

>>2074726
>currently 1950
>have cars since 1800s
>obviously will have flying cars by 2000 too

>>2074735
Hovercrafts have been around since the 1950's.

>>2074735
>>2074726

Jesus christ, acting like this is what killed /v/, shut the fuck up or get back on topic.

>>2073990
> trivial shit

I would love to see a list of your monthly purchases.

>>2074082
I have to disagree with you on the ps1 point. Great post overall, but I've been actively collecting for the ps1 over the last two years and prices are still quite high for a ton of common titles. I can't even find a green label Silent Hill for under $20, just as an example.

>>2075027
That's pretty cheap for a major title though. black label Silent Hil was in the hundreds price range at one point

>>2071702
It will probably be popped when nerd culture has righteously gone out of style. Hipsters who feel the need to be validated by other people seeing their collections will shell out however much money their parents give them because it's 100 percent disposable income. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being able to pay for what you want. But I am also a working adult so I have to stick to a realistic budget. And this massive burst of demand that otherwise wouldn't be for these shitty kids is making it to where I can't afford what I want. And at some point, if this continues, you won't be able to afford you want either. Assuming you're not upper-middle class or higher and aren't a neet.

>>2075032
Oh wow, that's news to me. It's certainly fallen since then. I can't get too worked up about prices. Either I can afford it or I can't. I don't own a pc and I mostly collect games to play them with my best friend in his garage while we get drunk and ignore our wives.

>>2074735
>airplanes are literally a thing that exist

Fuck collecting,the prices are getting insane now and also the postage has at least doubled in the past few years,i did the smart thing and sold up then bought some flash carts,best thing i ever did.

hardly any of these collectors even play the shit they buy anyway

>>2075243
>postage has at least doubled in the past few years

Good thing 90% of sellers offer free shipping to keep up with their competitors

>>2075258
Free shipping doesn't exist bud ,the price of shipping is just tacked onto the cost of the item and people such as yourself are more willing to buy it when it says free shipping.

International shipping has gone way up though,shipping from japan has gone up quite a bit.

>>2075267
I'm the sort of person who factors any shipping costs into the final price. "Free shipping" doesn't fool me into buying something if the final cost winds up being more than something with a shipping fee. Thanks for your condescending tone, though.

Shipping has obviously increased, but thus far I haven't really felt the burn. The only time it really gets me is when I'm having a fuckton of stuff being shipped via EMS.

>>2074260
>I said 20 years from now
No, you didn't.
>Look at what humanity has accomplished in the past 100 years. If you really think we can't master the mysteries of decades-old video game hardware in 1/5 that time (and that's being generous) you're deluded.

>>2074259
>>2074726
I'm guessing samefags unless the "reading comprehension" here has recently plummeted more than I thought.

>>2075408
I'm sorry, did you think I was saying "Perfect emulation was accomplished in the past 100 years," even though my previous statement says "given enough time, it WILL happen" (not HAS happened?) If you want to talk about poor reading comprehension, make sure yours is on-point.

>>2075421

not that guy but i scored perfect on reading comprehension on all my standardized testing, including the GRE, and I agree with you

>>2075421
I thought you were saying what you wrote. You said 20 years was enough time.
But you might have a loophole. You did say "we" and since you're not even 20 years old...

>>2075461
>hehe you're underage
>and that means you are invalid

I guess you're out of juice. Thanks for lowering the level of discourse.

>>2071848
That logic would apply if new copies were readily available.
Face it, genuine retro games are not having its supply increased, and every single day more and more copies of the game you wish to buy for pennies are being sold to collectors who will place them in a shelf to never be on the market for as long as they're still relevant. Clock's ticking son.

>>2071884
>If people just fucking put their foot down and said "Super Metroid isn't worth 50 bucks I won't buy it" the price would go down.
>everybody does that
>resellers start making money, drop the price all the way down to $10
>'hey, this is a good price'
>everyone starts buying
>copies are finite, supply decreases, demand increases
>Super Metroid rises to $50 again

>>2075559
>the cycle repeats

>>2075559
Thatr's the thing I think these idiots that actually sell video games have no idea of economics. The demand could drop and their prices won't still they are just too stubborn, they could be building a regular consumer base instead they would rather alienate people and let their game rots until some desperate person makes a purchase. Does that mean everybody is willing to pay that price and thats the new market price (thats what some delusional people like to think)

>>2075559
>everyone starts buying

That's some nice assumption. For such a common and popular game demand will never outlive supply.

>>2075586
>they could be building a regular consumer base
You're forgetting the fact that this is a finite supply market. Building a regular consumer base sits on the principle that you will have enough supply to appease the demand. This is not the case.
A farmer can build a costumer base because he will keep farming food (creating supply) so he can manage to drop the prices and sell more to increase profits - because he has a steady and assured supply of product. A retro reseller scum can't just make deals because he has no real stable product supply - I mean technically he can, but why would he if he knows what he has won't devalue (in the terms that more copies aren't being made) and people can't find them easily?

>instead they would rather alienate people and let their game rots until some desperate person makes a purchase

Does that mean everybody is willing to pay that price and thats the new market price (thats what some delusional people like to think)

>>2075604
You keep forgetting these resllers take in product from their customers.

>>2075591
>That's some nice assumption.

But it's true. Why do you think prices are high in the first place? Because reseller scum realized people will duel each other for a copy.

>>2075606
That's not steady. They can never have a stable business model. It seems like you're just finding excuses to bash reseller scum though . Yes they're scum, but that's how things are. You don't need to agree with it, you just need to understand that's how it works.

>>2075610
It is so, people bring in far more games than those places sell bud, why do you think the fucking stock just keeps increasing? Then they all go out of business and liquidate everything

>>2075559
>If people just fucking put their foot down and said "Super Metroid isn't worth 50 bucks I won't buy it" the price would go down.
>very few people do that
>people still buy at that price
>price only goes up further

Ok, apparently I have to explain basic economics. Again. Supply of games is not limited. There are a finite number in existence, but that doesn't mean only a fixed amount will be sold in any period of time.

As prices rise and fall, more copies of game come out of garage sales, estate sales, or people trading them in based on how much value they can get out of it. If prices are low, no one gives a shit about old video game cartridges and they go straight to the dump or aren't stored properly. If prices are crazy high, people will drop a few bills even if they can't look in the box with the idea that they might get a gem out of it.

The higher prices go, the more copies come out of the wood works. See pic related. That's how supply and demand works. If Retro gaming gets more popular, demand shifts out, prices go up, and more effort goes in to getting copies of games to market.

If you saw prices a few years ago, noticed they went up, and are bitching about current prices, that's your problem, not a problem with the market as a whole. Collectibles appreciate. Buy sooner next time, or go out there and find the gems in the garage sale boxes yourself.

>>2075708
I got charts too.

>>2075708
not really. The price is set by demand and not rarity.

>>2075610

It may not be steady but there are clear cases of ONE person fucking up the market on a particular game or genre.

Look up STV and his bullshit buying up all the good stuff on yahoo japan auctions. There are threads on neo-geo.com and shmups.com on him.

Also on pc engine some guy literally bought up all magicla chase JP for a few months.

Another example is cjmarc/twobrotherstwogames or any of the other faggets on feebay who have 3+ CIB copies of the same game.

>>2075753
Price is determined where the supply curve intersects with the demand curve. The problem is most people can't grasp the fundamental nature of the supply curve, namely that higher prices prompt sellers to supply more of the good in question.

Rarity factors in, but not to the extent people think it does with a few notable exceptions.

The problem with arguments like "if we all refused to pay 50$ for super metroid, the price would fall" is that fewer copies would be sold and not as many people get their copy had the price been higher.

>>2075531
>Let me prove I'm underage
>And what I said is invalid
Mission accomplished.

>>2071968
This happened with Cheetahmen II
And then they were sold for $15 a pop CIB
And then collectors started making up values for it.
Now a loose one is $700, give or take.

Best place to ask this. Where is the best place to buy EverDrive64 and SD2SNES? Is it worth it instead of buying the normal games ever so often from flea markets? Should I just emulate with a SNES to USB adapter?

>>2076768
This's pretty much a matter of opinion. I myself prefer emulation for being convenient, even though I have a modded ps1 (really old, almost dying), a snes (kinda old) and n64 (good condition). I can take all my library with me anywhere, all the technical problems with a real cartridge/console/memory card is nonexistent, most of the issues you might find are fixable inside the emulator, depending on the console you're trying to emulate or the game you're trying to play obviously.

Also, the use of the proper controller for the console you're emulating really makes a difference. For some, it's partially a "nostalgia" thing, but even if you haven't played the consoles on the time they were released, this is really recommended. After all, the games of that particular console were made around that controller. It also helps on the "emulating" feel of it, like you're actually changing between consoles.

>>2076768
I got all mine from retrogate but he's based in europe,i think all the yanks buy them from stoneagegamer but he sells them with fancy packaging and it costs more.

I think its well worth it when you consider the price of games,it pays for itself,i prefer playing on the original hardware but if you think you will be fine playing emulators then stick to that and save your money

>>2076768
Flashcarts are exactly 100% the gaming experience.

Totally worth the one time investment in them. Plus you can play hacks, rare games and homebrews without buying a repro cart (it's not original, why do you care?)... It's also superior to the original games because you don't have to worry about bent pins, dirty connectors or disk rot.

If you're into the games and not the collecting aspect, it's a no brainer.

Emulation is okay, at least for older games, but the differences are irritating for me and so many games suffer from tinny sounds and flat or oddly shaped polygons.

Outside of PSX emulation, most 3D game consoles are poorly emulated... Provided it's completely free but in my opinion it's worth the $100 or whatever one time cost for the flashing.

>>2075032
>mfw I found a copy of Silent hill black label in my yard one day
>Still don't know how it got there

>>2076181
>This guy gets it.

Working in fine art/antique auctions, a market low in regulations, I see this on a daily basis.

When an uncommon to market item sells for a good price, it's not only owners of the item that pay attention, sellers do to. While there is a finite supply of many things, once there is demand or perceived demand, people keep their eyes open for the item and more will come to market. Usually this is when you get a good idea of the real supply.

Obviously the demand drives up the price, but if the price gets too high for market-watchers and resellers, buying will slow down. The price will not necessarily follow. In the event of decreased demand owners of said item are likely to choose not to sell as resellers will stop scooping up every copy they can get. At this point the price settles, but price is never stable just because of the sheer multitude of factors that come in to play for both supply and demand.

>>2077153
too*

My mistake.

>>2077153
>>2076181
Those items aren't rare if they just come to the market en masse. That's fad bullshit and happens all the times to antiques. See those iron wagon wheels. Those were fucking hot as hell a few years back because the home decorator shows were showing them.

Games are in no way comparable. You can count the number of Genesis and SNES games that had less than 200k sold on your hand. These games will always be on ebay no matter the price. They are not rare. The only reason the command high prices is because of ebay's change in policy. It's artificial price raise.

Pardon me, but isn't "perfect emulation" in technical sense a fallacy? To my knowledge emulation means (hardware wise or software wise) effort to have the certain acceptable intended result/output from a program? I believe the correct term for "perfect emulation" is "simulation"

>>2071702
W-where is this wondrous place?

I... There are no true retro game stores anywhere near my place of residence....

>>2077313
Japan

There are a lot of retro game stores in America but they pretty much just cost the same as ebay BiN prices to whatever

>>2077301
Perfect emulation means "100% compatibility without speedhacks", at best. Another term for it is "cycle-accurate" as opposed to "scanline-accurate".

We didn't reach "simulation" levels just yet. And they would require gigantic amounts of power to reach the proper speed and keep it stable.

>>2076951
>Flashcarts are exactly 100% the gaming experience
Then why don't they run 100% of the games?

>>2075243
>hardly any of these collectors even play the shit they buy anyway
[citation needed]

On postage, sure is a good time to be buying nip games right now. USD to Yen is the best it has been in years so even with EMS you'll probably come out ahead compared to domestic as long as you buy from Japanese and not on ebay.

>>2077618
The games they don't run can be counted on one hand... because they contain special chips.

If you are that gung-ho about it, just emulate those games.

Besides, the chiphacks are being worked on, in less than 5 years, even those few games will be original hardware perfect.

>>2077890
>counted on one hand
Not unless you're some sort of freak

I think your making a mistake if your sourcing all your stuff from ebay. I collect alot of PS1/PS2 games (less so xbox/gc), and i can only think of one game i bought from ebay (and my library is pretty huge). I get all of my stuff from markets/bootsales. I guess im fortunate that where I live in the UK it is literally bootsale-land. In the summer, there is one everyday, and whilst some people are clued up to the fact that certain video games are worth alot of money (and some people think there grimey copy of formula1/crapware for the snes is worth 10 quid), the majority of people sell there stuff for pennies. I have gotten some insane bargains from these places. Generally speaking, i never pay more than £1 for any title - and i have in my collection all the resi's, ff's, crashes, spyros, medievals, alundra, adv. of alundra, vagrant story and so on... (too many to mention).
As for PS2 games, exactly the same, £1 each. And as some of the other posters have stated, PS2 games are perceived by most people as rather worthless at the moment - not considered retro just yet, and therefore not valuable. So far less people are clued up about having several worthy titles on their stalls, and obviously I am making the most of it while it lasts.
I could write a whole guide on how to locate gems at these places. You have to rumage a bit and go at the crack of dawn. The only difficult aspect is beating the resellers (and i know them all by now). I mean, old men who buy consoles/games who clearly have no interest in playing/collecting. I would be lying if i said i havnt resold stuff myself - but it is not very often, and i always undercut the silly prices on ebay by huge prices. But then when i sell crash team racing for £5 in good condition, i think that the person i just sold it too might just relist it at £12. So whats the point. Anyway, /essay.

TLDR: buy locally! avoid ebay, rake in the PS2 games now whilst there cheap as fuck.

>>2078415
Same guy here, just wanted to add, the game i bought from ebay was resi 3 for 5 quid - and that is one of my all time favourite games at a good price. I find it funny that resi: surivivor is the most pricey out of the PS1 resi's, and yet that game is terrible!

>>2074105
Not the same guy, but I sadly emulate because it's my only recourse. You're right, nothing will beat beat playing on the actual system, with it's corresponding controller. Having the satisfaction of seeing your collection physically, jewel cases, manuals and all that. But alas, I'm a fucking poorfag, dreaming retro dreams. I still mourn the death of my Dreamcast.

>>2077213

I work with legitimate antiques and fine art with real value, not modern fucking wagon wheels that were still being created as they were being sold a few years back. There was not a limited supply of them, and eventually demand drastically waned and that's why their price dropped. This is not the case with retro video games as there is a finite supply.

Respectfully, you don't know what you're talking about here. You should probably stay silent so everyone doesn't know how stupid your opinions are.

>>2078437
>resi: surivivor

Limited run, high demand because it has a big franchise name attached. No one gives a shit how good it is.

>>2078661
Of course! But its still funny. That shitty NES game avgn did this week, colouring dinosaurs? Cant believe how much that is listed for

>>2077213
Lel, your granny's singer sewing machine ain't fine art. I think other person means truly limited items.

Seems like you're confused

>>2078415
Maybe it's because I live in Los Angeles, but the only stuff I ever see at sales like that bottom of the barrel EA Sports games or stuff. Even at flea markets everyone seems to know to check eBay to set their prices

Hopefully soon

>>2078818
You mean you can't afford $20 worth of pristine genuine new foam, dumb poorfag. You know its part of videogame culture

>>2078818
Do you think they would pack it in more foam to protect it during shipping?

>all these delusional fucks
Not every things that are discontinued in production are of value. There are books and cassette tapes that are dime a dozen, according to you guys, they should never have fallen in price because they stopped making any more.

>>2071702
>Buying retro with resseler scum
I almost give up with retro stuff.
Thanks god, i i have my wii + Crt and my Pc to emulate.

>>2078809
Thats a shame man. I've had some days where ive only come across the same garbage. Fifa is extremely popular in UK, and my god, if i had a pound for every copy of fifa i found, i would have made a small fortune. could say the same for actual ps1 consoles too.

Why not just steal the games you want? You'll never run into financial difficulties.

>>2078886
Oh good thing nobody wants videogames isn't that right you fucking idiot