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http://tcrf.net/SaGa_Frontier

Essential reading for SaGa Frontier fans

Did gustave die in saga frontier 2? I mean it seems obvious, its just weird that they would make it ambiguous with his body not being found.

>>2047653
The SaGa Frontier 2 Novel, which can be considered the canon storyline, says that he dies together with Johanne at the fort during the monsters' assault.
There's also a bit more to that, the monsters were used by The Scorpions, it was all set against Gustave as a revenge for destroying the Anima cult and because he was reviled for having no Anima, there's also a cool scene with Johanne and Juda, the female Assassin that appeared at the end of Johanne's episode. And if you're wondering, no it wasn't the Egg's doing, Gustave was as loved as he was hated by some poeple.

>>2047636
RS3 is fucking amazing.

Cannot believe we didn't get that on SNES and japanese did. I would argue its Chrono Trigger/FF6 tier within that generation.

>>2047664
RomaSaGa 3 is great, but I still prefer 2 even though it's much more unpolished compared to its successor.

3 really has some memorable characters though.

I love SaGa games, but they always flare up my OCD when I start thinking about how to manipulate their mechanics without fucking myself over.

Not always an issue with some of the games but with shit like romasaga 3s class and weapon selection determining your type, or saga frontier's (and TLR) battle rank bullshit, it can put me off of replays.

What was your SaGa 2 party?
Mine was pretty standard.
Female Human, Female Mutant/Esper, Robot, and, uh, one of the monsters. They all change anyways.

>>2047680
>but with shit like romasaga 3s class and weapon selection determining your type, or saga frontier's (and TLR) battle rank bullshit, it can put me off of replays.
Well, it's not even the worst you can have against you, RomaSaGa 2 Battle Rank increases every time you fight something, even if you run away from it, so you have to be extra careful all the time and deal with it, not to mention that you can only get new magic by increasing your magic proficiency and you'll have to pay loads of money for your wizards to develop a new spell, or to your blacksmiths for developing better equipment, or to your chancellor for managing the empire.
>>2047696
Male Human, Female Esper, Robot, Monster, a classic party.

>>2047710
>RomaSaGa 2 Battle Rank increases every time you fight something, even if you run away from it
Oh fuck that shit

>>2047680
I dunno I always found them pretty relaxing and easy to play!

Mainly like especially on replay because I already know what to do

With RS3 it's not like your type matters that much, you just match your weapon type to the base stats your character is good at and they turn out alright.

In Saga Frontier I regularly destroy that game every playthrough now, just because I have pretty much all the treasure locations memorized, and the first part of the game is always about getting mad lootz rather than leveling up

Which sort of makes sense really, you don't just jump into the sewers and start smashing robots with a knife, there's a kind of process to being a successful Science Wizard/Samurai/Ninja/Mercenary/Adventurer/Treasure Hunter

>>2047717
In Saga Frontier you flat out can't run away at all. Something picks a fight and you can't win, that's it you're fucked. (Unless you glimmer lifesprinkler in the heat of battle)

>>2047719
>Unless you glimmer lifesprinkler in the heat of battle

And that is why Gen will always be based.

>>2047719
>In Saga Frontier you flat out can't run away at all.
IT'S FUCKING GO TIME

>>2047718

SaGa Frontier is satisfying because manipulating the battle rank is basically irrelevant because you can just go to the lab right away after picking up some good gear since its the best place to build up.

>>2047724
Eh, you can't imagine man.

>Exploiting the Possession trick in Wakatu
>Good, I'm almost finished, just a few more...
>3 red dragons
>Using my Sub team
>Can't run away
>私は町長です.jpg

>>2047730
>Forced to fight Red Dragon/Black Dragon early because I felt like using Fuse this playthrough and didn't want him to be gimped
>Yes I fucking used the second scrap trick to force LethalGun draws from the junk pile

Does anyone else know that trick though? (Hint: It does not involve repairkits or pretending to sell items)

>>2047669
>3 really has some memorable characters though
Yes it does

>>2047669
>3 really has some memorable characters though
Yes it does

>>2047739
Tell me your secrets, gypsy

>>2047739
I don't know about that trick, tell us your secrets Anon.
>>2047745
Why was Yukidaruma so awesome?
And fucking Boston man.

Ah, I almost forgot.
Kawazu confirmed that the next SaGa title is still alive and they're working on it, just pray that it won't end up like Emperor SaGa.
http://www.siliconera.com/2014/06/30/next-saga-game-going-slow-steady-says-series-creator/
Also, there will be Romancing SaGa and Romancing SaGa 2 cameos and collab items in Rise of Mana, which is also coming out on PS Vita.
http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/000/873/873246/

>>2047636
Definitely nothing wrong with femdom.

You don't fap to Rocbocquet, Rocbocquet MAKES you fap to her.

>>2047747
>>2047748
k so, start a new game, and the first thing you do is treasure hunt right

The junk shop has a list of a bunch of items that it actually buys at a pretty good price! But because of some minor programming oversight, the address of the item your selling overlaps with the number of items you're allowed to take from the junk pile, and the quality of the items you get is pulled from a different address that's fiddled with when you sell items to the lizards

So most people know you can press the button on the hyperion bazooka without having any to sell then go and take a bunch of free items, then continuously sell the repair kits you sometimes get to gradually improve the item rank

this takes forever and feels pretty bad

what you can also do is, go to shingrow, go into the crashed space ship, find the HyperScale and DualGun, then get the hell out of there dodging the bats which will destroy you at your starting level unless you're both lucky and got the skillz

Then you go to scrap, go to the junk shop, and pay the lizards to take some items, doesn't matter what you get they're all gonna be crap (get some armor to fill the slots in your party tho, anything is better than nothing)

Go back to the lizards now that you're allowed in and sell the lizards your DualGun.

Go back in, pick all your picks from the gun pile. Every pick that isn't junk is suddenly the best ranked item, a LethalGun.

Go back, sell them your HyperScale, get more free picks, keep getting junk or lethalguns

end up with 2-4 lethalguns and like 3000 credits for your trouble

If you want you can pretend to sell hyperion bazookas at this point to get as many electro armors and lethal guns and other top ranked items as you like

but you shouldn't

because that's cheating :3

>>2047768
Dayum, I'm trying this later, never knew about this trick.
Have a Rocbouquet for your trouble, kind Anon.

>>2047773
but how did you know

that I liked booty

>>2047808
Don't ask an ass man how he knows his fellows.

Slow thread is slow.

>>2047860
This -is- /vr/.

>>2047636
Should I play the original version of SaGa 2 or the DS remake?

>>2048591
Original. Remake is kinda sluggish.

>Playing SaGa 3 remake
>enjoying the ever loving hell out of it
>get to the final dungeon
>lose my save file

There goes all motivation to finish the game, it was fun and all but it was kind of tedious at times.

I almost finished SaGa Frontier with the girl that starts in a prison. I got to the last area of the lab with the phoenixes or something, then just stopped.
I wanted to know: what happens if a character loses all their LF, or whatever the red number is called? And how do you restore them to full?
Also who's the girl in this picture?

>>2048984
If a character loses all of their LP, they're KOed until you take them to rest at an inn or any other similar area. I think using a Sanctuary Stone will also bring them back.

If the main character of your route loses all of their LP, it's an instant game over.

>>2047636
ROMANCING SAGA 1 ENGLISH
http://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php/topic,18590.0.html

>>2047636
Gideon Zhi HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH 1 OR 3
ddstranslation IS THE GUY behind 1
and mana sword for 3
a guy called magno have the tools for making a perfect english patch for 3, but it seems that no English speaker is interested in finish 3 properly

I think the glimmer system is brilliant. It's a shame that it's not used in a lot of other games, except for Grandia 3.

I acquired copies of the 3 RS for the SNES, and while i already beat the 3rd one through an emulator, the 1st one just seems fucking impossible. I'm following the only walkthrough article on gameFAQs and it seems that even with that everything is just so criptic even with me translating shit. It really pisses me off. Still haven't tried the 2nd one, but i'm going to chill up by now after all the frustration the 1st one gave to me.

I remember some videos floating around about an RS hack that was all Kirby. It also had Saga Frontier-style combos.

Was never translated, but it looked fun as hell.

>>2048986
I thought a character who lost their LP would die forever if he wasn't mandatory. At least the game isn't THAT hardcore.

>>2048984
>Also who's the girl in this picture?
You have to play Asellus' story to know. BE careful in the Lab, shit can get real very fast.
>>2048998
OP here, you're right Gideon is working on 2 with Aeon Genesis, I just mistyped, my bad.
>>2049048
The first one is extremely cryptic and although there isn't the LP system it can be frustratingly hard as you don't glimmer shit for a long time and except the very first dungeons your character visits all the rest is pretty brutal.
>>2049351
In some SaGa, like 2 there is permadeath though, if one of your character runs out of LP it's dead for good though the vast majority are "generic"character so even if they die you can recruit another character of the same class that has of course different stats, different glimmer charts and of course doesn't have the techs and magic of the previous character.
In some other cases there is a pseudo perma death, in RomaSaGa 3 for instance if you recruit Boston without saving the Island at the end of the World and he dies/you dismiss him, you can't get him back, Yukidaruma can effectively die if a certain condition in a boss battle is triggered...It all depends on the game.
Even MinSon has pseudo permadeath for some characters like Frielei and Dragon Knight.

What's this glimmer system you guys are talking about?

>>2049486
Lightbulb-chan.

It's officially called Glimmer, the mechanic of learning new techs by triggering them through the use of certain attacks.

>>2049492
We always called it "sparking a tech" when I was a kid.

>>2049526
Yeah, though the manuals call it Glimmer.

I too am used to say sparking but newcomers don't usually understand that but it's jargon.

>>2049237
Didn't that more or less follow Kirby's Super Star?

>>2049471
Did you ever got far in that game?

So what's the last SaGa game that you finished in recent memory?

For me it was Frontier 2.

>>2049862
SaGa 3, the DS remake.

>>2049862
Recently? Well it wasn't very recent.

But it was the GB version of SaGa 2.

>>2049862
Can't remember the last game I finished, but the last game I played was SaGa Frontier.
Had some fun with the "unlock Fuse's chapter" code.

>>2048984
She's only available in Asellus's story and is easily missable. Basically, go around the castle at the start with ONLY White Rose, especially the coffin rooms where you get dialogue.

>>2047739
The more repair kits you sell to the dude, the better his stock becomes.

>>2049862
I've only beaten SaGa Frontier, but I've been working on Minstrel Song. That game is just so slow compared to Frontier. I was finally able to get a cool team with Grey, Lizardman, the dancer, and red witch, plus the fairy prince from the isthmus, but they have almost no abilities or good magic. I just want to be overpowered like in Frontier and know where I'm supposed to go. The story just sort of ended when I finally got to Neidhart with Albert.

>>2050287
dude seriously did you even read the thread:
>>2047768
it does not involve selling repairkits

>>2050290
In Minstrel Song the story will stop progressing until you advance the Battle Rank by battling monsters enough, which opens up new events in different places.

You get good by earning jewels and upgrading your character classes, you won't learn any good techs until you get your weapon level up to 2 or 3 and fight stronger monsters.

stick with the basic classes first playthrough or use a guide and try to unlock the legendaries and stay at level 3 in your skills, you get more jewels in consecutive playthroughs.

It is quite slow and a single playthrough takes an average of 30 hours.

I wouldn't recommend bingeing on it.

Is Unlimited Saga any good?

>>2050290
>I just want to be overpowered like in Frontier
HAHAHAHAH no, forget it.
Frontier is easy mode SaGa, to get Frontier Tier OP you'll have to plan and grind like mad in any other title, except RomaSaGa 3 maybe, that's fairly easy.

If you want to get gud that's another matter entirely.
The game's story progression revolves on Battle Rank, as you get higher BR you'll unlock quests and be very careful as most quests also expire once you reach a certain BR so fighting monsters mindlessly only means you're locking yourself out of quests, which means no money and jewels and that means you are screwed and need to restart a playthrough since you can't upgrade your class/abilities or buy good equipment/magic. You'll be forced to make do with what you have most of the times, so learn how the battle system works, buy and forge weapons, learn how the magic works and how you should build a character and make a balanced team, DON'T STEAL THE ICE SWORD, don't be cocky, have fun.
>>2050592
Depends, do you like extreme complexity with zero explanation? Unlimited requires serious dedication, it's the hardest and most cryptic SaGa title, if you couldn't stand Frontier 2 or TLR difficulty and system you'll never like Unlimited as it's much more difficult than those two combined. It's very rewarding though and an amazing game once you get into it, but it's really, really complex, puts game like Wizardry or DF to shame.

>>2051078
to be fair SF2 isn't 100% easy

there are times when it will just bend you over and shove it all in dry without any decent warning

mainly the last part of gustave's branch is tactical hell and the last part of wil's branch is a marathon buttfuck dungeon that you have a high likelihood of not being prepared for at all, with chain bossfights and a brutal last boss that depends on how well you did on the dungeon's earlier bosses.

Unlimited Saga on the other hand is like a mysterious dominatrix that crushes your balls until you read it's mind somehow and guess what it wants from you

I love it to bits

>>2051084
Oh, I never said SF2 is easy, on the contrary.
It was like they put RomaSaGa 2 difficulty back in the series though it's not quite as ruthless, fortunately. But Unlimited is on a whole different level, SF2 at least lets you advance through the game with some moderate difficulty level and huge spikes and constant threats, Unlimited is a constant "what the fuck is going on" difficulty.
As an Anon once said comparing it to TLR, It's like being aboard a rape train, TLR makes you feel like a helpless passenger whereas Unlimited makes you feel like a helpless conductor, so you have the chance to tame the rapetrain if you learn how to drive it.

That said, SF2 buttrape surprises are great.
>Vulcanoid
>Laubholz Tower surprise bosses
>Oh, so you're pulling the roots in the Worm Cave for loot eh? WHOOPS THIS ONE HAS A VULCANOID IN IT, A WINNER IS YOU!
>What's that? You're dawdling in the fields while the Edelritter are supposed to chase you? TOO BAD! SURPRISE FIRELORD BATTLE!
>I see you like our S-RPG battles, how about you try South Moundtop?
>So you made it to the final dungeon uh? That's good, I hope you got all the Quells and recovery items with you, not like you gonna need them or anything, just sayin'.

>>2051116

>south moundtop

Never understood why people hate this battle, its only bullshit if you rush gustaves story and don't catch up with wil's story and let gustaf enter the fray and rape everything.

>>2051127
>let gustaf enter the fray and rape everything.
wat

>>2051127
As if surviving that many turns in the first place isn't just as impossible

>>2051116
I like that Gustaf has two giant swords and the best thing to do with him is put him in the back row and make him a mage, while your best front line choices at that point in the game are all girls.

Just classy is what it is

>>2051139
>I like that Gustaf has two giant swords
They're not that big though, the game's sprites makes them look hueg but they're really average in size, like, real world claymores.

Though the fact that Ginny is a better physical attacker than Gustaf is bullshit, and it's even more bullshit that Diana is the strongest physical attacker in the game but you get to play with her for just one chapter.

Also some Jap made a useful chart with the SF2 relationships between the characters according to the novel.

This is actually pretty good for those who didn't quite get the story.

>>2051143
Gustave's sword is not a realistically sized weapon. That thing is huge.

trying to lift that in real life would be ridiculous, it's supposed to be made of solid steel.

>>2051198
That novel is horseshit

Gustave isn't even gay in that book

>>2051205
All I was saying is that it's not like pic related, it's indeed a huge weapon.
>>2051206
>Gustave
>Gay
Anon pls, it's very clear that he wanted the Leslie and fuck you, the novel has some good parts, like all the Johan related chapters.

>>2051208
Eh, wrong pic

>>2051208
Leslie is a Lesbian. That was the connection between them. That they had something to pursue and neither of them actually wanted to even though everything was obviously laid out for them, because they were both gay.

Gustave fucks Bart and Johan, and penetrates Flynn when they were growing up together.

How can you not see this?

>>2051208
>Anon pls, it's very clear that he wanted the Leslie

Until the very end I was hoping that Gustave and Leslie had an illegitimate child that would take the throne.

I was so disappointed.

>>2051215
also fuck you Cody dying is not canon

Noel is best hero.

Come at me.

>>2051216
Get out of my SaGa thread you... you normalfag!

Next thing you'll be telling me you like Asellus' human ending

you make me sick

>>2051223
I liked the wonderful symbolic ending of Gustave's steel sword crushing the immensely anima loaded EGG.

It was fucking karma if ever I saw it.

Gonna catch a lot of shit for this I feel but I think that SaGa Frontier 1 is the worst SaGa game.

The game feels and looks raw and uninspired as fuck.

>>2051226
>The game has one of the most unique settings out of any existing videogame
>"uninspired"

>>2051229
And what did it do with it? Next to nothing.

>>2051216
The novel explains this, turns out that they had a mutual understanding on the matter of marrying and having children, Gustave didn't want to involve Leslie in his life as she would have been targeted by people who wanted to harm Gustave and she didn't want to become a hindrance to his dream, she also knew that Gustave's massive self esteem problems would have become even worse if something happened to her/their children. It's kinda sad isn't it?
>>2051221
Noel is GOAT, but a Kujinshi is fine too.
>>2051223
>That part when Mesarthim asks her to make her her slave
>SweatingAlkaiser.jpg
>>2051224
It was a testament to Gustave's life and belief, very touching.
>>2051226
Raw, yes, uninspired?
It's one of the most original Jrpg of its generation, I don't know why you're saying this.

>>2051231
They are not lovers. They're best friends. LOOK AT THE EXPRESSIONS ON THEIR FACES

Love would only ruin everything they have and make them hate each other and themselves.

The sword in the official artworks and sprites doesn't look as good.

But Gustave's sword in the title screen and in this cutscene actually has one of my all time favorite weapon designs.

It's a perfect mix of believable and ornate. It looks fucking amazing.

>>2051231
Does the novel ever explain just what the EDD is, where it came from and what happened to the old empire of Hahn?

>>2051237
I mean the EGG of course. Not EDD...

>>2051237
It explains what the Egg is but it's very vague on Hahn's downfall.
But I'll have to tell you about Quells first if you don't remember what Sargon says after you fight him in the Last Megalith. And it can be quite a quite lenghty post.

>>2051239
Go ahead and post it. I forgot most about Sargon.

>>2051237
The Egg is the ultimate quell, its so powerful that it has it's own sentience and ego and was the cause of the downfall of the old civilization. Literally it causes wars and chaos of it's own accord to attempt to gain control over the world and life itself and that's why the ancients locked it in a lead casket in the middle of nowhere.

It's a quell created so powerful, supposed to be able to grant wishes and actualize the will of the wielder, that it actually became alive and started mind controlling people and shit.

It's a symbol of man's potential and turned on him as a result of his own hubris.

>>2051078
Well, stealing the Ice Sword raises your Evil Affinity by 100 points. Performing Vortexes in certain regions of the world will help raise affinity to a specific deity.

Elore
-----
Where to Buy Spells: Melvir
Type of Spells to Buy: Cosmology
Region to Fight Battles/Increase Probability:
*Dry Lands: 1/3
*Rosalia (except Isle of Evil): 1/5
*Bafal Empire: 1/6
Vortex/Favor Increase:
*Wheel: +4
Favor Decrease After Benediction: Down to 87.5% (round down)

Nisa
----
Where to Buy Spells: Crystal City
Type of Spells to Buy: Terrology
Region to Fight Battles/Increase Probability:
*Dry Lands: 1/3
*Rosalia (except Isle of Evil): 1/5
Vortex/Favor Increase:
*Stallion (3 Combo): +4
*Stallion (4 Combo): +5
*Stallion (5 Combo): +6
Favor Decrease After Benediction: Down to 87.5% (round down)

Yucomb
------
Where to Buy Spells: Melvir (Hydrology), South Estamir (Aerology)
Type of Spells to Buy: Hydrology, Aerology
Region to Fight Battles/Increase Probability:
*Rosalia (except Quietus): 1/5
*Bafal Empire: 1/6
*Valhalland: 1/3
*Coral Sea: 1/2
*Boat: 1/2
*Yucomb Temple: 1/2
Vortex/Favor Increase:
*Dragon: +4
Favor Decrease After Benediction: Down to 87.5% (round down)

Cyril
-----
Where to Buy Spells: -
Type of Spells to Buy: -
Region to Fight Battles/Increase Probability:
*Bafal Empire: 1/6
*Frontier: 1/3
*Black Sea: 1/3
Vortex/Favor Increase:
*Demon: +4
Favor Decrease After Benediction: Down to 87.5% (round down)

Eres
----
Where to Buy Spells: -
Type of Spells to Buy: -
Region to Fight Battles/Increase Probability:
*Bafal Empire: 1/6
*Valhalland: 1/3
*Frontier: 1/3
*Walon Isle: 1/4
*Black Sea: 1/3
Vortex/Favor Increase:
*Scissors: +2
Favor Decrease After Benediction: Down to 87.5% (round down)

>>2051242
Alright, lenghty spoilers ahead.

After you defeat Sargon he says that Quells are objects that contain a sealed soul, that's radically different from Tools since they're just object infused with raw Anima and can break easily.
The souls sealed inside Quells are those of Hahn's people, they created the Quells and the Egg to be revived in a distant future, when the surviving mankind would have evolved and be able to tap into the power of Quells. The Egg is an artificial Quell tasked with the purpose of gathering enough energy in order to supposedly revive the people of Hahn and get their souls out of the Quells to inhabit human bodies once again. However, the Quell absorbed so much Anima it eventually developed a deviant personality, while the normal Egg would have theoretically passively absorbed Anima, the new Quell awakened by Henry Knights, Wil's father, became a rogue Quell that feasted on the Anima of its owner and whoever came into contact with him, absorbing the anima and storing it inside the physical artefact. That causes basically the Knight's family feud against the Egg.
Theoretically, the Egg would have been a power source for the Megaliths though the exact function of the former is never properly explained, they're meant to convey Anima power and their purpose is the revival of Hahn's inhabitants, but it's not explained exactly how that would happen. There are also other things regarding the Egg that are vague, such as the ability to influence Anima in many ways, for instance how Alexei and the Pirate Captain were able to control Wyverns, or how Fake Gustave can alterate his body to some extent.

>>2051248

Continued:

Amut
----
Where to Buy Spells: North Estamir
Type of Spells to Buy: Illusion, Bewitchery
Region to Fight Battles/Increase Probability:
*Kjaraht: 1/3
*Walon Isle: 1/4
Vortex/Favor Increase:
*Scissors: +2
Favor Decrease After Benediction: Down to 87.5% (round down)

Mirsa
-----
Where to Buy Spells: Crystal City
Type of Spells to Buy: Bewitchery
Region to Fight Battles/Increase Probability:
*Knights Dominion: 1/2
Vortex/Favor Increase:
*Phantom: +4
Favor Decrease After Benediction: Down to 87.5% (round down)

Death
-----
Where to Buy Spells: -
Type of Spells to Buy: -
Region to Fight Battles/Increase Probability:
*Ligau Isle: 1/2
Vortex/Favor Increase:
*Pillar: +4
Favor Decrease After Benediction: Down to 75% (round down)

Saruin
------
Where to Buy Spells: -
Type of Spells to Buy: -
Region to Fight Battles/Increase Probability:
*Rosalia (except Isle of Evil and Quietus): 1/5
*Bafal Empire: 1/6
*Walon Isle: 1/4
Vortex/Favor Increase:
*Pillar: +4
Favor Decrease After Benediction: Down to 75% (round down)

Schirach
-------
Where to Buy Spells: -
Type of Spells to Buy: -
Region to Fight Battles/Increase Probability:
*Kjaraht: 1/3
Vortex/Favor Increase:
*Pillar: +4
Favor Decrease After Benediction: Down to 75% (round down)

This was copy pasted from a walkthrough so you don't have to dig through it.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps2/924486-romancing-saga/faqs/41854

>>2051249
Oh neat. I really should replay the game if I ever find the time again.

>>2051226
Mostly because the game was rushed to completion.

Fuse was supposed to be a playable character, and a few scenes were cut from localization. One such scene was Asellus throwing herself into Kurenai to leave Facinaturu like Princess Rei did.

>>2051249
Continuing muh spoilers

What is very interesting is that this explanation of the Egg and Megaliths obviously makes you think about a few other things.
First of all, Laubholz Tower.
It's never explained what this tower actually is, some parts, like the basement are reminiscent of the Megaliths but the rest of the structure is very different and its purpose it's unknown as well. Laubholz inhabitants say that it's a cursed tower and (almost) all the people inside are zombies, that can however speak, and there are also sealed monsters like the Gargoyle, the plant monster in the painting, the Lich etc. It is also similar to the Undead Asylum for some things as the undead are sealed within it, but there are other things that are quite misterious, there is a very powerful Quell, the Elven Lire but also a very powerful Steel weapon, The Cinderforge Sword which also has the same exact sprite as Gustave's Sword.
Secondly, the Ice Megalith, why was Tycoon Wil turned into the Megalith Beast? It responded to Wil's Anima but then turned Tycoon Wil into a monster after it resonated with his Anima? That sheds some light on the fact that Knights are supposedly owners of enormously powerful Anima as the Egg itself states and Rich shows by resisting to the power of the Egg before killing himself.
Many questions remain unanswered, and perhaps it's better like this.
>>2051258
But Rei killed herself because she wanted to reincarnate and escape from Orlouge, this is stated in the game, we don't know if she knew Kurenai somehow connected regions.

>>2051267

>>2051127
Wait...WHAT?!

>>2051329
Fake rumours that are going around for years, pay it no mind.

Alright thats it I'm gonna start playing Unlimited Saga again. Someone tell me which character to start with I can never fucking decide

>>2051507
Ruby

>>2051552
was that the fortune teller girl? she does get a pretty nice party

>>2051552
Also will Weapon Mastery stop me from learning Rakshasa?

>>2047636
Considering I've played most english SaGa games I know very little about the series.
This thread has rekindled my love for the games... well, at the very least my love-hate relationship with them.
That leveling system, man...

Didn't expect this game to have a thread, but boy am I in luck.

Just bought Unlimited Saga, first SaGa game I've played other than the first FFL. And I'm fucking bewildered. It probably doesn't help that I don't have the manual, just bought the disc from Gamestop.

I just started Ventus' story, chose him since the game recommended it for first plays, and I'm a tad overwhelmed. There's about a million different menus and I have no idea what most do. I left town without doing much but saving, and saw a slime that didn't actually fight me. So I examine the area and get into a fight. And then I have to choose like 5 abilities to use, and I can't tell the difference between any of them so I just picked the first spear attack over and over. Then the enemy moves, and hits me for more than my health. But then I get to do a roulette full of the same icon, and I perform the attack I chose, kill the first enemy and then do an attack I didn't choose and kill the second enemy. Now the battle is over and I have 0 HP but no one seems to care except me the player.

Can someone give me a rundown on the mechanics, or point me in the direction to something that can? Because fuck me, the game seems neat but I am clueless.

>>2051812
>Can someone give me a rundown on the mechanics, or point me in the direction to something that can? Because fuck me, the game seems neat but I am clueless.
I've been at the same spot you were on. Somebody recommended me this series of tutorials and they worked pretty well. There are some minor spoilers in there though (especially in the part where he describes what each character is about and what their routes are gonna be like), so beware of that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1brcx4bDoFY&list=PL51637B997E31660F

>>2051824
Started watching, thanks a lot.

>>2051812
>>2051824
Also to save you some time and directly explain what happened, Unlimited Saga is weird in that HP doesn't really work like "hit points" but more like "stamina". The less HP you have, the higher chance the enemy has to knock off one (or more) of your LP, which you should think of as your actual "hit points". You can't regen LP, but you can do so with HP, either by resting outside of combat (L3/R3 button) or not acting for one turn in combat (just do actions with other guys and not with the low HP one). Each turn you select 5 attacks, distributed in any way across your entire party. You can also combo them by "holding" the reel and if stars are properly aligned and you understand the utterly arcane battle speed system enough (or just get lucky), you'll get two (or more) reels rolling at the same time and the resulting attack will be really strong and likely will knock off at least one enemy LP - comboing is pretty much mandatory in late game, so it's worth learning.

>>2051832
Alright, so I guess the much smaller red number that popped up when I hit the enemies was the LP damage I did.

>>2051851
Also found this if you'd like, a bit more light on spoilers
http://www.beforeiplay.com/index.php?title=Unlimited_Saga

>Romancing SaGa 2 will never be fully translated

I just want to see what the game is all about. It seems so cool with the seven heroes and the heritage thing.

>>2051917

It would take you far less time to learn moon than it would to wait for a translation.

>>2051917
It'll happen one day.

Eventually.

>>2052002

>>2051832
the battle speed thing isn't that bad

it depends on:
-the particular speed of each individual attack
-the total weight of your character and all the gear they're wearing
-the speed related stats of the character using the attack (offhand, I forget what they're called, probably agility or something)

the rest is up to the rock paper scissors game of choosing what attacks to use.

the panel system is much more fun than that

>>2051832
Alright finished watching those videos and started playing again. Now it seems no matter how much HP damage I take my HP is 0 after a battle. Do I lose HP for doing combos?

>See this thread.
>Remember I started up SaGa Frontier on my PSP but eventually put it down for some reason.
>Can't remember where I'm at or where to go now.

Last thing I remember was taking a ship from the junk world to a city place, running through a bunch of sewers, and making it to a cave with some super powered bees/ants that trigger a fight in a certain area. After several tries, I finally won, and all it did was kick me back a screen and tell me I can't progress this way.

Can anyone remind me of what I was doing in the story without spoiling things for me? I was playing as the robot.

>>2052608

You did the quest that gives you rune magic probably without picking up the rune stones in Devin first & you did it in T260G's scenario, who can't even learn magic in the first place

>>2052679
*1 of the quests that give you rune magic

>playing FFL1 for first time
> end of first world and mutant already has 55 mana stat without grinding
> oneshot everything
i'm not having fun :(

>>2052693
Aw but that's part of the fun.

You can break FFL1 in so many ways it's almost pretty funny.

>>2052375
>Do I lose HP for doing combos?
You lose HP for every action you take in combat, HP are more like a stamina system that prevents you from fainting. You can see the HP cost of every action in the menu.

Some actions are of course more costly than others, but you can't avoid losing HP, that's why you must have someone that can heal and can do that well enough to not let someone get slaughtered. You'll see what I mean once you get to one of the Seven Wonders, most of the bosses there can eat up 10 LP in one turn if you can't into healing and comboing.

>>2052679
So basically I did nothing relevant on the planet I was sent to and need to wander around aimlessly for a while until I progress the story?

>>2052740
>So basically I did nothing relevant on the planet I was sent to and need to wander around aimlessly for a while until I progress the story?

Not really, unless you went with a full robot party.

The purpose of the Tarot and Rune quests is that the Human/Mystic members of the main party get the Gift for a magic type once you finish the quests, it's also a good way to train your party and gain some nice abilities without wandering around.
Also, T260G story progress revolves on checking a computer in Koorong in the abandoned apartment. You can do that any time you want too, if you don't care about subquests just go there, it's the door behind the chicken in the second main street.

>>2047812

>Rocbouquet's delicious ass sitting on you, suffocating you

>>2052751
RomaSaGa 2 has tons of good asses

>Emerald will never "teach" you Fire Magic
>Cat will never Ufufu you
>You'll never serve the Last Empress
>Rocbouquet will never dominate you with Noel's approval

>>2052742
It's on the screen with the big stairs. There's a skeleton and jelly npcs there. If you see an aerodactyl when you go through the door behind the chicken, you'll know you're going in the right direction.

Does anyone have the new artworks of the seven heroes?

I forgot what game they were used for.

>>2052816
I do have the cards, though they're pretty different from the originals by Kobayashi.
Or are you referring to Kobayashi's redesigns?
Or the Lord of Vermilion 2 Collab art?

Because I think I have all of them

Well, I'm making a collage of the 7 Heroes image I have, so you'll also see how much they've changed they're design, especially Bokouhn.
The order is Kujinshi, Rocbouquet, Dantarg, Wagnas, Noel, Bokuohn and Subier.

This is the redesign of the Original seven heroes, which I'll post later.

>>2052842
This is Kobayashi's redesign of her original idea of the Seven Heroes, those who played the game will see tht some of them are actually in their monster form instead of their original version.
Order of appearance is the same as the previous post.

>>2052843
Forgot Image...

>>2052842
>>2052843
>>2052847

Awesome. Thanks!

>>2052850
It ain't over son.

This is Lord of Vermilion 2 Redesign for the Collab with the SaGa Franchise, unfortunately I do not have the RomaSaGa 1 images of that...
Order is the same as always, but this is a straight redesign from the game's sprites

Lastly, the Original design from the original game, you can see how much they've changed, Bokuohn is probably the worst offender...
The order is from lef t to right, Noel, Rocbouquet, Kujinshi in the back, Wagnas, Bokuohn, Dantarg and Subier.
I also had to resize the original image because it was a big too big of a file to upload here.

My grammar check today is pretty damn bad, sorry anons.
Have some more Rocbouquet...

>>2052862
That's always nice.

>>2052898
It is.
A shame she's one of the weakest heroes of the bunch, even Second Form Bokuohn is more dangerous than Second Form Rocbouquet, but I still like her.

Since we're still on the topic of the seven heroes,

what's their story? Specifically, what happened to them after they vanished and how and why did they turn into monsters/evil?

>>2052913
Well, they vanished after they defeated the monsters from the netherworld,it was a really epic battle, however the mages and lord of the kingdom from where they came from where experimenting on some kind of interdimensional magic(that also opened the way to the netherworld from where monsters came from), the Seven heroes were firmly against this and so, since apparently the lord and mages were that power hungry they baited them into a portal and sealed them in the netherworld forever.
What happened later is uncertain, Oaive herself says that they were corrupted by the dark energies and slowly turned into monsters, the Seven Heroes you fight in the world are just Avatars of the real ones in the netherworld, they apparently found a way to open a portal and came back for revenge against those who betrayed them and to punish humanity. However, that's the official version of the story, the true purpose of the 7 heroes is very foggy and each one of them is pretty different, Dantarg for instance is only searching for the best fighters in the world, he's pretty uninterested in world domination or revenge, Noel too is doing it only out of loyalty to Wagnas, his best friend and you can even decide not to fight him and get back the territories he occupied by simply asking him that(unless you killed Rocbouquet, her sister, in that case he gets pretty mad and fights you in his strongest from), Bokuohn is...just there, he's the strategist of the group and answers to Wagnas, Rocbouquet was searching for magical artefacts from the lost civilization(the ones who sealed them, for the record) but again, it's never stated why, probably because Wagnas asked her for some reason, and since she has a huge crush on him she decided to play along, Subier likes scuba diving, narwhales and octopuses and Kujinshi is the bullied underling of the lot. The only one who has the clear goal of taking revenge against humans by ruling them is Wagnas.

>SaGA thread with almost 140 replies

Never thought I'd see the day.

>>2052927
Google Translate version of Japanese Wikipedia page of RS2

Once in the world, ancient people had been using as a slave is called a short-lived species, the modern people had prosperity (such as by looking at the modern people in the cartoon version speak to as "hideous", overtly depiction hate the modern people and there is). Ancients is much more long-lived than modern people, therefore fear the death, also, because it even hated to fight from because they do not want to die, especially the presence of the monsters that threaten the life directly was the biggest threat. However, in that in the ancients, had courageous person 7 people that aspired to be the peaceful world by destroyer the monster. It is after seven hero is.

Although monsters was overthrown by seven heroes eventually, its because powerful forces are eventually fear from the ancients around they got to, actually force is designed to be gradually repellent is now directed to the ancients was. Just sometimes the world was likely to be hit by a natural disaster, it plans to emigrate to another world by creating a dimension moving device, this against when seven hero under the guise of an accident of equipment, it is another world that their go was banished to a different location than the (in the cartoon version, was flushed with false information of the term tribe invasion for the purpose of truncating the seven heroes from the beginning, you have fled to chance (vii) hero has left). Exiled seven heroes, is the came back over a long time in order to revenge to ancient people, this is the truth of the legend that "someday seven heroes come back".

I apologize for the mangled Engrish, but I directly copied the translation

>>2052983
You know, since we seem to have a JP speaker here, you could very well just ask him to translate it rather than using a machine translator.

>>2048991
>http://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php/topic,18590.0.html
You just made me squeal like a Japanese schoolgirl. AND it's by the guy that did the recent Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei patch? That dude's come a long way from being kind of a joke for disappearing with KMT a few years back. I'm excited to try it.

TBH though I've yet to play much of a SaGa game. The closest I've done is get about halfway through SaGa/FFL. I might play more now that I beat a couple games recently, and move on to FFL2. A little off the retro topic, but have any of you tried the SaGa 2 patch? Hows the localization, and the game compared to the original?

so I started playing Unlimited Saga again with Ruby's file

Right now I'm running into that age old issue of magic tablets being a fucking crapshoot

I was gonna make Ruby a fire mage, and put Hiro on Axes and Sapphire on bows, and just do whatever with Iskenderun

as of right now I have Sapphire looking pretty with Bows 2/3 on the bottom left, punch 2 and kick 2 on top right, and I'm waiting on a thief panel to randomly drop so I can start filling the center line

so she's like, gud right now

Hiro has a martial arts line already and axe 2 covering the other strength slot and is basically a beast

the problem is that I have no fucking idea what is happening with Iskenderun and Ruby

Ruby has a metal familiar and two kick panels and is dropping zero other martial arts panels and learning no techs, but has an axe panel in the center and two body panels in the top left, she's some sort of tank with pathetic HP and I'm not sure a fire tablet is going to show up any time soon. I really wish her skill multiplier wasn't so pathetic or I'd commit to martial arts as a hybrid for her, but I don't see the point of a lightweight character that keeps fucking missing

Iskenderun has a fucking water tablet and 3 field panels to go with his weapon meister and sword 3 panel. I ended up dropping a punch 2 on his strength slot just to fix his stats. I can't decide what exactly to do with him. I think I'm going to have joint field panels on his water slots and joint sword panels opposite that,, with a shield panel or an iron body in the top right strength slot, and utilize his inherent heavy-weight status to get Raksasha, making some sort of Tank+Water build out of him


in terms of blacksmithing and questing, I forgot everything and have no idea what I'm doing, and I love it

>>2052965
This isn't even /vr/'s first SaGa general. Stick around.

>>2048991
>ROMANCING SAGA 1 ENGLISH
>http://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php/topic,18590.0.html
Does anyone have a mirror for this? seems like romhacking.net is down

i just got done with romsaga 3 and i've been itching to start SF. any tips on what character to start on my first playthrough?

>>2053801
Depends on what you're looking for.
Blue: ALL THE MAGIC
T260: ROBOTS
Red: KAMEN RIDER
Emilia: REVENGE
Asellus: MYSTIC STUFF
Riki: MONSTERS
Lute: IS SOMEHOW A MAIN CHARACTER INSTEAD OF FUSE

Blue and Lute don't have much of a story on their routes, but Blue is really fun to mess around with, because he has access to so many spells. My personal favorite routes are T260, Red, and Asellus.

do asellus for hot lesbianism

>>2053806
blue sounds like what i'm looking for... but this >>2053815 sounds interesting...plotwise of course

>>2053825
if you want, you can become an evil dominatrix sex queen who owns all the bishoujo and bishounen

>>2053806
I'm playing right now for the first time, doing Lute's path. Thank you for this easy breakdown, it makes me see that some of the paths focuses on a certain gameplay area, which is cool. Except for Lute's, which I guess lets you dabble in everything.

Tried fighting the assholes in the Yorkville swamp but got my shit slapped immediately. I picked Rouge and grinded him and Lute for a while in Sei's Tomb; I wanted that cool looking sword but Skeleton Death Lord assholes ruined my life. Now I have a whole fucksquad (Robot, Mystic, Mage chick, Your Brother) puttering around the Alleyway Slums area.

Also what the fuck is up with your "brother", Thunder, whose class is Ogre, gender neutral, and three times the size of everyone in battle? is this ever explained or accounted for?

>>2053880
He's not really your brother. Lute is just an older kid who grew up with him. Aniki is a colloquial term in Japanese that means "brother" and is used by people who usually aren't related possibly because they're from the same gang or crew ("family"). It's typical yakuza slang. It's also taken to mean that you're brothers when two guys have been with the same woman.

so

one of those

I've never played SaGa Frontier 2. How does it compare to the other games?

>>2053889
I'll just assume Lute's mom banged a monster somewhere along the way. I'm ok with this.

Also: the swordsman-looking fellow in Koorong mentioned a fighter named Gen hanging out in Scrap, is he worth the 100 credits itll cost to return from picking him up if I already have the other recruitables? I don't have much money and would rather save towards some magic or something

>>2053891
Saga Frontier 2 and Unlimited Saga have the best aesthetic out of any of the games.

It looks good, sounds good, and feels good. in terms of battle system I feel like Unlimited Saga>SF2>SF>Minstrel Song>RS3>RS2>RS>FFL2>FFL3>FFL

The tool/quell stuff and magical schools and duel system and hybrid skills are all really fun.

Some parts of the game are boring depending on what you're interested in, mainly some people aren't too hot on Gustave's story which feels almost like watching a book read itself at times

>>2053893
He is worth it. Replace Lute with him and you then have a good team. Well, get rid of your bro if you don't want to learn how to make monsters good, and maybe replace the mystic with another human for the same reason. Also, Lute is the only main character in the SaGa series that you can take out of your main party, so that tells you how useless he is. Supposedly his skill tree, which affects his chance of "sparking" techs or "glimmers", is good, but his stat growths suck hard. The drunk hobo samurai you asked about is one of the best characters in the game. Also, Rouge is about the second best.

>>2053893
>>2053880
again, playing SaGa Frontier for my first time. This battle music is so good and combat is really fun once you get a good grove going.

>>2048991
>>2053769

Seconding the request. Can't see the forum post through the internet archive either.

>>2053891

Saga frontier 2 is mostly story heavy compared to the other games in the series, and gustaves story, while cool is mostly cutscenes.

Wil's story is a little more free form, at least within the confines of the scenario system in SF2, also its much harder.

In fact saga frontier 2 is a hard as balls game, that feels way more difficult to break than the other Saga games, even if you grind in wil's first chapter, where you can learn almost every tech with enough patience, it still kinda kicks your ass.

>>2053893
Gen is one of the strongest human characters you can get at the initial point of his recruitment (only say, Cpt. Hamilton, Roufas, and Fuse might start out better) and he tends to be the strongest sword using character in most people's games when they use him. He's not bad at Fighting either, though he kind of sucks at magic and guns. Liza, Emelia, and Fuse are probably the only normal human characters who have better potential overall.

He can be recruited by any character and he's pretty reliable.

You may have to start the arcane quest and try to go to wakatu before you can recruit him with some characters however.

>>2053893
oh if you're playing Lute and you haven't yet, Go to Koorong, then Owmi, then Nelson and check around

I'm pretty sure that's where he has to go

actually maybe it was the restaurant in owmi

look around owmi and nelson and recruit the cpt.

you can procrastinate advancing the rest of the story until you're strong enough after you recruit her

>>2053908
>get rid of your bro if you don't want to learn how to make monsters good

what do you mean, exactly? is it that he's so overpowered that if I use him as a crutch then I don't learn how to have to develop a monster character?

>>2053920
cool, thanks. by the arcane quest, do you mean receiving the pebbles to turn into runes? I've started that but haven't tried going to Wakatu yet

>>2053902
I like the way SaGa Frontier 2 looks but Unlimited was definitely not my bag...

Are there a lot of cut scenes in Frontier 2? I really liked that about the first game, it was pretty much all battle mechanics and strategy with minimal exposition.

>>2053920
Also, let me help you decode some of what people are saying. When someone is good at Fighting techs, that means they can learn certain ones that unlock the use of probably the most powerful tech in the game. Not gonna say it unless you want to completely break the game, but you can easily find it if you look up tricks for SaGa Frontier. Also, the money and gold tricks help out a lot.

I love Lute's quest, cause it's like some random person got caught up in this big huge plot. You don't even need to use him in your active party in his own scenario, he's just along for the ride.

>>2053927
Monsters aren't that great unless you just want something that's really hard to kill. They don't do nearly as much damage as magic users or humans in general, but they can get cheap healing techs and can be equipped with charms that immunize them against certain attacks. Useful, but not as heavy hitting as other races. Even Mechs are more fun in my opinion since all you need for them is good equipment to make them useful. Monsters require a lot of time to make them ok.

>>2053927
monsters are just the hardest type to play properly.

you have 8 skills and learning a new one replaces the bottom skill in their list. They gain more HP with each unique skill they learn and this gets them better forms. You get different forms depending on what skills you have in your active list and what order they're in when you absorb a new skill from a monster. Managing all of this and guiding them into something actually useful is harder than the straight forward grinding and gearing the other races need to get gud.

Having more than two monsters/mystics isn't like having all humans or all robots. you have to be aware of what your doing somewhat.

>>2053932
DSC actually isn't that great on certain bosses with high defense or an elemental shield like the Earth Dragon or Suzaku. For me Gold Hand was the GOAT martial arts technique since it can 5-chain and has the added effect of lowering the enemy's INT

>>2053936
Monsters get the best anti-mech ability (magnetic storm), and Mighty Cyclone competes with Tiger Rampage in damage and combo ability. A Black Dragon has the highest possible defense for a tank (better than robots even), and monsters have access to liferain and magic heal (and are often better situated to make use of it than mystics which tend to be somewhat fragile).

Monsters are good. They are harder to make good though.

>>2053947
dude do you even Last Shot or Sky Twister

>>2053929

Saga frontier 2 has a big emphasis on story, you will come across chapters (mostly gustave) that are nothing but cutscenes, but they aren't long usually.

So I recently came into possession of Unlimited, Frontier, and Minstrel Song

Which one should I play as my first SaGa game? I have admired the artwork for years but never got a chance to try one until now

>>2053902
Gustaves my favorite character out of Saga Frontier 2, him showing up in the infiltration mission and helping you mess up wyverns was awesome.

>>2053950
Yeah, monsters aren't bad, I just think they take too long to make good. Mesarthim has liferain too, so I'd rather just use her or Nusakan for his free heal. Monsters are good for when things go balls to the wall insane and you need a meatshield that can revive the team, but at that point in the game, you should already have enough damage or tankiness to survive long enough to nuke.

Also, how do Black Dragons have more defense than Mechs? I can easily max one's VIT and DEF to 99.

>>2053978
Frontier is the easiest to get into.

All the talk about monsters being hard to build aside, even if you have no idea on the finer specifics of monsters, Thunder makes a VERY good "Jeigan" character because I believe his starting set can turn him into a Trisaur Jr immediately and then he can carry your other members until they get better.

>>2054171
Yeah, but the problem with that for a new player is that they can easily screw up his abilities and lose that form to get something sucky really easily. The only way to reliably know how monster transformations work is to look up a guide.

>>2053954
IIRC Gold Hand also lowers enemy DEF (or maybe it's VIT?), it just isn't mentioned in the ability text. A 5-chain Gold Hand just wrecks the Earth Dragon while simultaneously hobbling him

>>2053984
In Saga Frontier, and actually almost every Saga Game, there is actually separate values for different kinds of defense.

off the top of my head SF has Slash/Blunt/Pierce/Heat/Cold/Electric/Force for elements, and most attacks have more than one category, and pick the lowest defense value of the target to use.


The displayed value on the SF status screen is slash defense only, so even if you make a mec with "99" defense it probably still has Electric and Force Defense at half that or less

Add that to the fact that its... Psychic I think that defends against magic attacks? They also have low status defense.

On the other hand a Black Dragon can put on a KrisKnife, Windshell, Pearl Heart/Sea Stone, and Harmonium Earring, and be protected from almost everything pretty much perfectly. Monsters get hidden equip slots built into their forms so a black dragon can actually equip more and better balanced defensive gear than a mec.

>>2048991
I've always been interested in this one.

Thanks anon.

Is there some sort of canon setup for Romancing Saga 1's characters or something?

Its definitely a lot of choices for the character creation.

>>2053880
>doing Lute's path
Uh, this is literally your worst choice for first time, since Lute's path near-immediately throws you against humongous odds and the game kind of expects you to randomly wander around and basically grind and do sidequests until you can tackle that shit properly.

>>2054946
I feel like the other characters are more fun when you know what you're doing though.

In terms of raw difficulty it probably goes like:
Riki>Asellus>Red>Lute>T260G>Emelia>Blue anyway

So um, what am I in for here?

>>2055001
You're in for a saga full of romance not really

>>2055001
near orgasmic pleasure when you see a lightbulb turn on for the rest of your life

>>2054883

IDK if there is as I haven't played, but in a game where this much choice is available, wouldn't it be best to just embrace it and roll through in your own way? It seems like a waste to just purposefully take a vanilla path if the game intentionally gives you tons of options

>>2055082
Some say that rape is a form of romance.

>>2055082
It could mean romance in the traditional sense where it meant adventure.

Um, is it normal for Sif to be miles stronger than Albert?

>>2055514
Sif has solid ratings for most of her stats and starts out strong so yeah probably. Albert has better BP regen though and most characters top out their stats around the same level by the end of the game regardless of how fast they go up during.

>>2055525
Oh okay then.

I'm only at the part where you might recruit Raphael so it was just kind of jarring to see Sif just out do Albert in almost everything.

>>2055560
It makes sense if you consider that Sif is supposed to be the strongest person from her homeland where shit is nothing but ice and monsters and Albert is a teenager whose never had a real fight in his life. She's fucking ripped.

>>2055579
What are some good weapons to train up in for the SNES version?

The system here is kind of weird since I'm accustomed to glimmering my skills.

Nothing like accidentally making yourself stuck forever.

Romancing SaGa is a really fun if frustrating game.

>grinding in bio lab in saga frontier
>going smoothly with sparking and high stat gains
>red dragons start to show up and none of my characters decide to combo

welp I guess I didn't win the race to DSC before this bullshit started happening.

>>2056525
Well, you can always go to an area with a lower battle rank. The Bio Lab's rank is +2.

>>2047662
i still hurt from Gustave's death. i grew to like him and his accomplishments over the years. but then he dies and it's a shock, you just think he will live until the end of his life, but that goes to Wil and the whole Egg ordeal.

>>2056728

Yeah but Gustave was the most badass character in the game, it took a literal army of monsters to take him and johan down.

Given the political nature of his story though, it only makes sense he would die before his time.

>>2049492
>Glimmer
>You learn Dodge Rock

fuck you game

>calling it glimmer or sparking
>not calling it epiphanying

guys pls its a lightbulb

>>2053806
but isn't Blues story KILL ROUGE, oh and also get all da majik?
also, fuck blue for being all "ok, ill come with you! wait... whats your name?" BS with red.

never liked riki because monster main is dumb and i never liked monsters in general in that game. unless there is some trick to making them OP.

i never bothered to have more than 1 team in SF, even though i would grab 15 characters. it's nice to know that others enjoy these games too, back when SF came out EVERYONE wanted fucking FF7, but lucky me I got SF instead.

>>2056860

Blue is actually the evil brother if you think about it, rouge is generally friendly and will gladly go along with every other main character, but blue turns down everyone and acts like an asshole all the time and is hellbent on destroying his brother.

>>2056868
makes sense, also that first time you lose against Rouge.
and what happens after.

>>2056860
read the monster mechanics faq.you change into an undead fish(forgot name) , right in the begiining of a game, that has 70 STR with just a few battles and some luck.

but lategame, monsters are still shity except maybe kylin.

Saga Frontier 1 might have my favorite soundtrack of any game, the sheer amount of battle themes is just ridiculous and they are all amazing.

Kenji Ito's masterpiece to be sure.

>>2056907
Holy shit, we're finally talking about the music. I thought all of you motherfuckers were deaf.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vSpVhXWRIY

>>2056927

Id say the only game that would rival frontiers soundtrack is the last remnant, what is it about saga games anyway? Even when its not Kenji Ito composing, none of the games really have bad music.

>>2056931
Good Composers, that's all. Never really played Frontier 2 or Unlimited Saga yet since I'm still stuck in Frontier 1 (My first playthrough was hell but I know how the mechanics work now), but I love the soundtracks after giving them a listen.

'd have to say this is one of the best battle music I've ever heard:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYSvX6uLC0Q

comfy remix coming through: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH-x1FwL9Bg

>>2056950

The violin and piano used in frontier 2 and unlimited is fantastic, and really suits the visuals of those games.

I always liked this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaCgxnAV6cE

>>2056886
Suzaku is actually a pretty good monster, but that's because its base form has good stats and it has good moves. Sure, Kylin has its unique Space Magic, but the spells aren't really that great.

>>2057175
I use one monster in every game except for Asellus' where I use mystics instead.

Take a monster along for T260G's quest and get it to learn magnetic storm, you can basically go full retard at that point.

>>2056954
Speaking of Ginny....
I'm at Ginny's Adventure (the ants who eat the roots cave and the vines which drop random vocaroids!)

I have completed the game before and I have got most if not all the sweet gear up to this point....it's just been so long, was the starting party always this sucky?

This time i've given Ginny the Cinderforge sword and some steel equips but it doesnt seem to affect her ability to take any kinds of hit at all.
It doesnt feel right compared to the last time I played it, it feels all wrong! I'm not breezing through it this time.

RS1 isn't half bad. The early segments suck but once your team starts to develop its pretty fun.

Training magic up and getting good armor is a pain though.

>>2057280
Steel equipment is terrible because it has an abysmal SP enhance property which is what is used to protect you from SP-type attacks depending on how much of your Max SP you have remaining.

And most of the nasty attacks from tougher enemies are of that type.

The best armor is actually the Blackstone Armor, Lobster Mail, Redstone Armor, Lake Robe, and Stardust Robe, and not in that order.

Crystal Wings are the best shoes, Water Mirror is the best shield, and Mystic Veil is the best headgear.

Steel equipment sucks without exception unless you're going up against purely physical enemies, at which point it's still quite a burden, because even though WP abilities get stronger the less WP you have, if you have no SP hybrid arts or spells to fall back on you will find yourself burning LP every turn or throwing out crap attacks or defending while you try and recover.

The Cinderforge sword is complete junk, sword arts aren't even that strong. The strongest one is a hybrid art. I use Gustaf as a mage when I play and try and get Ginny the Granite Staff or just have her use martial arts augmented with her excellent inherent spellcasting ability.

>>2057649
I thought steel armor and steel weapons nullified anima.
Or was that just some Gustave thing?

>>2057717
The game lied to you. You can go and put a character in nothing but pure 100% steel equips and then switch to some other gear and see which works better for resisting spells. As long as you have 50% or so SP out of your max SP enhance gear is always better. Even if you were using a purely physical WP based character you'd want them to have Blackstone Armor not some steel crap. Not even the best steel gear is worth it, especially when physical attacks are really not the biggest priority (you can block and deflect/counter them with most weapons and shields).

Don't use steel equipment no matter how much the game wants you to think it's appropriate.

>>2057727

That's honestly kind of the theme of the game, it sort of suckers you into thinking steel gear is the best because of gustave being a badass and the steel units shitting on people in the strategy battles.

But gustave was the exception, not the rule.

Also its hard to tell how gustave even stacks up with other characters because you get to play him so little, even if he has high stat gains, would he even be a good party member for the endgame if you could use him?

>>2057919
No, for two reasons:
1. If the SP thing is true then he has no defense against the strong magic attacks
2. Age effects the stats of your character, while Gustave is younger than Will he'd still have lower HP and PA from being old.

Points for Gustave:
1. Gustave also has Martial Proficiency and could easily learn all the Martial Moves, including the max damage maneuver.
2. Gustave is Gustave

>>2056931
First of all, the fact that Ito has been doing the music for most of the titles gives them a very uniform feeling, you know you're playing SaGa when you hear its music, than there's another excellent choice in Masashi Hamauzu which is of course different from Ito but has worked on the two most unusual titles in the series, SF2 and Unlimited, giving them a "one of a kind" feeling imho.
Don't forget that Uematsu has worked with Ito on the GB SaGa and Tsuyoshi Sekito helped with remix and a few new tracks in MinSon, and TLR still has Sekito.
If anything there's a really good feeling of continuity in the series regarding soundtracks, and there's also a huge variety, SaGa is one of the few series that has tons of different Battle Themes, and they're all exceptional.
>>2057717
>I thought steel armor and steel weapons nullified anima.

They do, they nullify your Anima.

>>2057919
There is one other exception together with Gustave though, Diana.
Give her full Steel equipment and you'll be amazed by how good she is.

Good to see the thread is still up and good.

Visually I really like the three Romancing Saga games. Even RS1.

All three are oozing charm and RS3 has some super detailed enemy sprites.

>>2058029
>SaGa is one of the few series that has tons of different Battle Themes, and they're all exceptional.
Hm yeah.

I can't think of a single one I didn't like.

>>2058049
RS1 sprites feels a little too FF-derivative for my tastes compared to how 2 and 3 really change the look.

Like, the RS1 character even has the whole FF5 thing of holding their hands in front of them in an L shape.

>>2058110
>RS1 sprites feels a little too FF-derivative for my tastes
Yeah, Galahad and Jean are basically palette swaps of the FF fighter. but then again, they still pose, this is one of the charming parts of SaGa.

RomaSaGa 2 improved quite a lot on that, and RomaSaGa 3 has FFVI-ish sprites that still do a lot of posing instead of just putting their hands up.

Gotta keep posing.

the only thing i like about T260G's scenario: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-_ITksHEFY

OP girl looks hot, who's she?

>>2058208
>who's she?

A wannabe Queen of the Jungle from an obscure jap game.

>>2058208
Most of the Females in SaGa are

Schirach/Sherah, Rockbouquet, and Byunei. Each of them from the Romancing SaGa Trilogy of games.

Pic related is Byunei

>>2058231
Hell, even some of the Generic enemies are...

Alve from the Fairy Class is pic related

>>2058231
>>2058251
Let's not forget the Real Queen...

>>2058231

>>2058251

>>2058261
There's a new Hivequeen in the celphone port of RS2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RdIq5njRcE

>>2058283
I know, there are also new classes and all that.
The music is pretty fucking bad compared to the SNES original though, like really fucking bad.

>>2058287
Is it as bad the as butchered OST they produced for Wild Arms AC f?

>>2058251

Romasaga games were responsible for some unexpected boners.

>>2058289
Imagine the original OST put in a underwater can.
They like, raped all highs and lows, most of the midi instruments are barely audible any more.
Truly a shame.
Compare the music you hear in that video with this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhCK6od2KHs

>>2058261
Someone at Square must have had a monstergirl fetish way before it became the in-thing nowadays.

>>2058296
I tell ya kid, back in the days Square was pure innohvayshun...

>>2058294
You'd think that celphones, whose main function still is audio communication, would be capable of putting out better sound.

wow

>>2058279

>>2058314
It's not a hardware problem, they changed the software, the menu and general SFX are different from the SNES original as well, and they're really bad, the original SFX were a bit too hard on the ears, the cellphone version makes them feel like a rusty pipe is scraping your eardrums.
Pretty shitty port even though they fixed a few bugs and added some content. The SaGa 3 modders did a much better work with their music and sprite patches than Squeenix did with that port.

>>2058430
For being an overpowered behemoth of a human the final emperor sure looks fragile.

>>2058472
He's David Bowie, he doesn't need muscles to do his job.
Muscles are for Hannibal or Enrique.

>>2058430
>The SaGa 3 modders did a much better work with their music and sprite patches than Squeenix did with that port.
Well that's not very surprising.

When can I take on these things and actually win?

One of these days I should really play this thing in earnest.

I don't even have the rom anymore.

>>2059270
I didn't know that was a thing until after I finished the game since I never used him.

>>2058975
>When can I take on these things and actually win?
The 4 Sacred Beasts are pretty tough, Flame Tyrant is perhaps the hardest and Tiny Feather is the easiest, you should leave them for midgame/endgame when you'll have good weapon skills and magic.
>>2059270
Never forget, a snowman manlier than the average Jrpg protagonist

>>2060147
Man, this Katarina looks way better than her short-haired sprite in the actual man.

Which my reaction to was the exact same as Mikhal - "YOU CUT YOUR HAIR?!"

>>2060287
I actually love her short haired sprites.
Katarina is my favorite female main in RomaSaGa 3.

So I've only played SaGa Frontier, and I have to wonder: Do all the other SaGa games feel as half-finished as this title? I mean I had fun with the game, but it was definitely obvious that they left out a ton of content.

>>2060317
>Do all the other SaGa games feel as half-finished as this title

Most of them, yes.

>>2060317
All of Square's money goes into inefficiently making and poorly managing Final Fantasy games.

>>2058975
Do not fight the 4 Elemental Lords, they give out specific items in which you can summon them if you complete their requests.

I am going by the Minstrel Song names for reference

Avi (Wind): Wants the Ignigarde from Pyrix in exchange for the Cyclone Shoes
Pyrix (Fire): Wants the Ice Sword in exchange for the Ignigarde
Adyllis (Earth): Wants the Cyclone Shoes from Avi in exchange for the Raincloud Armlet
Strom (Water): Wants the Raincloud Armlet from Adyllis in exchange for Wuhan's Daughter to complete the Water Dragon Rite Quest

Otherwise, fighting them just gives out their specific items you would have gotten from the trade sequence.

The reason why you shouldn't kill Tiny Feather/Avi, is that Saruin is can be easily killed by Tiny Feather's/Avi's Petrification Beak.

Only in the remake is it worth fighting the Elemental Lords, and that is in a 2nd playthrough and after successfully completing their ecology quests, failing the ecology quests in the 2nd playthrough allows you to fight their corrupted versions which give out some useful weapons.

>>2060504
>useful weapons.

The autist in me would argue about that, at the end of the day they're not really that good since they burn through your LP, you'll need maxed weapon affinity to make them worth your time, and they're also quite heavy compared to most other weapons.
Not as useless as the Obsidian Sword though, that's for sure.

Yeah, I find the "do the quest properly" reward much better.

I feel like those guys as boss fights were meant as super bosses or as a "how the hell did you fuck up the ecology quest by doing the opposite" punishment

>>2060560
>I feel like those guys as boss fights were meant as super bosses
Kinda, but it's good to be a gratuitous dick sometimes and fight them just because, Tiny Feather gets particularly butthurt too.

Some more music for the thread, by the way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heOx9C2GkOA

>>2060521
that's a dong

>>2060574
Anon, pls.

>>2060521
Why did they make Albert look like a fairy in the remake? I like his character, but he looks so stupid in comparison to the original art.

>>2060521
The Obsidian Sword has useful defense parameters, so you could equip it in one of your weapon slots to tank better.

Though you could just have a shooting star or elemental staff instead

>>2060671
why do you have a problem with it?

I actually like his little wing cape thingy, and the rest of his outfit is totally fine

maybe they were just trying to alienate players who are insecure in their own sexuality

>>2060671

He's kinda fairy looking in the art of the original game too.

Saga is definitely the most homo-friendly Square IP that I'm aware of

Having Albert be a metrosexual seems totally reasonable

>>2057240
T260G's quest is so easy, once you pimped out doc leon and T260G , you won't need to though. and the final boss is designed to deal out high damage, instant death attacks, and status effect. a good monster with the right equips can deal with the status effects and instant death, but it can't absorb much damage.

optimal team for taking on genocide heart is probably half team of mecs, half humans with blood chalices. mecs can tank the damage and ignore most of the status effects. humans take less damage from magnetic storm , carry the backpack to heal the mecs, potentially deal more damage than mecs.

if you grind gen a lot, you can beat genocide heart with just gen and T260G.

>>2060853
>using blood chalices ever
he doesn't know about secret defense values

Love the rs3 hack, too bad it's in japanese and hard as fuck

>>2061278
Whoa. What.
Alkaiser is in more than one game?

>>2061291
its a romhack

>>2061278
You know I always wondered why RS3 has so many romhacks.

>>2061306
They really need to romhack RS2 if only to add the additional phone content to the SNES game.

>>2061016
>bad trolling

i'll bite anyway since saga threads die so fast

http://globe90.tripod.com/sfarmor.html

blood chalices has many negative effects but block instant death. is that so hard to understand? also undocumented in most FAQs and the above, is that mec bodies block most status effects.

don't believe me? ask the guy who wrote the mechanics FAQ on gamefaq's SF1 board. he understands this better than i do.

>>2061485
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/198537-saga-frontier/60134575?page=1

that or if you REALLY want to use a full human team, then you gotta train up your PSY.

you won't need a very high PSY if you wear a suit and status protecting stuff mentioned in that thread, but wearing even the best suit won't give you quite as much overall protection than wearing some other armor that still allows you wear gloves and boots.

and yes, plutoarmor is better . but rare as hell, can't be bought from a shop.

is that info autistic enough for you?

>>2061278
Well the hack is basically every SaGa game ever in one thing.

>>2060504
>>2060147

Oh okay then, I'm kind of behind in terms of magic (only two people have it, mostly because I have no idea which elements are good) and armor (almost everyone is using basic stuff).

I should probably focus one that first then?

>>2060671
He still has the wings when he gets Mirsa's Armor in Drachenvale

Whole wings thing may be a reference to nobility and status given that Flammar also has them with her clothes in the remake.

>>2061278
>>2061661
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEfa12qx8rw

>>2061734
Neat.

Also as a slight sidenote I wish Iris had fanart.

>>2061746
>liking fan art

>>2061485
You can also block instant death by having high status defense.

So you can wear a Kris Knife and also not get instantly killed without ruining your defense values.

You can also block that attack with the right shield (the mizukagami works and is piss easy to get)

>>2061750
whats wrong with liking something again?

>>2060671
>Why did they make Albert look like a fairy in the remake?
Ask Kobayashi, and while you're at it ask why Hawke became a generic disney pirate and Barbara got a witchblade top, oh and tell her to stop sexualizing Aisha, Comfy Aisha was better.
>>2060804
It's not homo, it's fabulous.

>>2062008
I know why she did it.

Its not a pretty reason.

>>2062021
It's not hard to see her Fujoshi side though.

And her original Aisha redesign was pretty comfy, I was just joking, it's the designers fault for making her lewd.

>>2062027
personally I wouldn't be surprised at all if akitoshi kawazu was a skeezy perv who happily rides along on other peoples accomplishments while accompanying the company boss to a high profile hostess club to piss away company profits

>>2062046
Kawazu only really makes stuff like scenarios and general mechanics, as far as I know he's not really that kind of person, he's a top tier nerd, and I mean someone who would waste entire days on DnD sessions.

>>2062061
>someone who would waste entire days on DnD sessions.

Given some (but not all, of course) of his questionable game design choices, this might not be as good as you think it sounds.

>>2062065
>this might not be as good as you think it sounds.

I've never implied that.

Thread is reaching 0 LP, it was good guys.

Next time I'll make a Coppelia edition.

>>2062061
>>2062065
>>2062068
it takes about 240 hours to finish every character in Minstrel Song

It takes ten actual days to finish Minstrel Song completely.

how many of you spent ten actual days on one SaGa game to beat all the characters or something?

>>2062257
Next thread might not last as long as this one, but don't let that stop you.

Saga must live. If not in the form of videogames then in our hearts and fond memories.

Reading a bit on SaGa Frontier 2, I'm interested in the game, but anything I might need to know beforehand? Seems to be quite hard judging by the few posts I've skimmed here, so just curious.

>>2062469
Well yeah. The game is nowhere near being completely translated.

If you can read japanese that's not an issue though.

>>2062501
you're thinking of the wrong game
>>2062469
Early on, grind to learn new abilities. You do this by fighting stronger enemies. Don't worry too much about weapon and magic levels, go with what works. Characters have a + symbol showing what they're good at.

Try to collect as many quells as you can, search high and low in each stage, they're very valuable throughout the game.

When you get to Ginny's quest, you'll want to spend some time grinding your characters to make them stronger, she needs a bit of a boost because of the challenge at the end of the game.

There's a guide that shows the chronological order of the quests in the game and nothing else. That's a pretty decent order to play it in.

>>2062515
>you're thinking of the wrong game

Dang. I'm sorry. All the participation in the RS2 talk must have struck my reading comprehension.

>>2062469
The thing about the game is even though I love it, to get the most out of it you need to know what's coming next. It can be an easy thing to shoot yourself in the foot on some scenario's not having explored thoroughly enough.

One thing i'd recommend is trying to get some dead stones from the first Wil Knights scenario. 2 of them, 3 if you're patient.
You can get them in the room to the far right with the chest above some stairs and a solitary (TOUGH) skeleton hanging around. It is usually accompanied by Ghosts too.
All you have to do is use the Stone Spell Delta Petra to deal with these guys and just keep farming it until they drop.

It's an equippable item that nullify's instant death attacks which is vital late game.

>>2062624
I think Sonic protection is even more valuable than Instant Death protection in the game's hardest fights actually.

There are a few significant ways of attaining it.

-Early in the game, in the Wil Knights scenario called "Showdown! Alexei" or some such, you'll go to a canyon where there are a bunch of birds flying around. You can get these birds to knock treasures off of the cliffs if you get them to chase you around correctly, on of the items is the Pop Shoes which are a really good defensive item. Aside from that, if you fight the birds (who turn out to be griffons), they have a chance of dropping Crystal Wing Shoes as a common-ish item and Water Mirrors as a rare item. Crystal Wings are also dropped by Wyverns in the wilderness near the Ice Megalith, and completely nullify all sonic attacks.

Actually beating the Griffons is fairly difficult, and I would recommend you learn the beast spells Regeneration (auto healing is invaluable in all the hard fights of the game, even though you can heal with LP it's better if you don't have to) and Guard Beast (a Beast/Stone spell that creates a magical second shield to block attacks) and equip some good shields (stone shields for example) to facilitate your survival, its not necessary to save your strength for the fight at the end of the mission so you can go full in. If you have a deflect weapon (Sword/Spear/Martial Arts and I think staves but not Axes or Bows), a Shield, and Guard Beast cast, that's three separate chances to nullify physical attacks. If you break sequence a little and get the Ice Lance before this adventure it helps a lot with your damage output against the scary ass birds.

You don't have to beat the Griffons for their cool rewards but its part of what makes the game fun.

-You can get a Bow-type Quell that nullifies Sonic attacks in the optional Laubholz dungeon. The dungeon has a lot of chances for other goodies too, but the undead there are pretty damn strong when it opens up.

>cont.

>>2062641
-You can also get Sonic protection from a piece of steel body armor called "Silver Chain"

This stuff is actually really good as far as Steel armor goes, and is probably the most useful kind. You want to wear this if you can't get Sonic protection by any other means.

-There is one other quell that nullifies sonic, but I'm pretty sure you have to beat the Sound Edelritter to get it, and you probably want sonic protection before you fight him.

A side note about Laubholz: Do not under any circumstances kill the monsters in the basement of the tower. The ones called "Anima Beast" that drop the Anima Crystal. Once they die the Lich will no longer respawn, and believe me, you want the Lich to respawn. If you do nothing else to get an extra boost for the last stage of the game Laubholz might be the only place left to power up, and the Lich the best source of high challenge to boost your spark rate for new techs. On top of that, the Lich can drop a piece of headgear that is immensely useful if you find the last boss too hard to defeat when you get to it.

Also don't break your Lake Robes or Titus Greaves if you get them. They're really really good. like one of the best possible equips. You can prevent durability loss by using actual learned spells instead of the built in magic on items.

>>2062423
>how many of you spent ten actual days on one SaGa game to beat all the characters or something?
>Spending only 10 days

I spend months on SaGa because I like experimenting, I made at least 15 playthroughs of MinSon because I wanted to do challenge runs and try everything possible, I spent more than a year playing Unlimited almost non stop because of the sheer replay value.
>>2062439
I won't Anon.
SaGa is love, SaGa is life.
>>2062469
The Anons before me all gave valid points, if I may add something to their already good tips I'd tell you to be curious, this is a vital point of SaGa since the storytelling is pretty barebones and it requires you to interpret many things, especially in SF2 many, many things are implied most of the times while others where unfortunately simply left out, the game wants ou to explore every nook and cranny, both gameplay-wise and story-wise.
You'll end up being caught in sudden extreme sexual violence situations very often though, that can be frustrating to players new to SaGa, and that is coupeld with the fact that only a few titles allow you to "grind" efficiently and even if they do you must now where, how and when is the most useful time to grind and what you should grind.

Other than that, if you like challenges and complicated(read autistic) gameplay you'll be at home with SaGa.

Are there other good series which follow Kawazu's style of RPG?

>>2064003
Series is a bit of a stretch but there are a few games that are vaguely similar in concept.

The Last Remnant is basically a SaGa game, and is pretty good, an anon before suggested Dark Law for the SNES, recently, Grand Knights History for the PSP has a gameplay design that shares a few vague similarities with SaGa, such focus on formations and commands instead of pure stat growth and it has even a bit of posing like SaGa.

Other than that, Kawazu also helped with FF Crystal Chronicles but that's a more "traditional" JRPG series, if you want the Tabletop Kawazu there are really just a few games that have that style.

Answer me this, /saga/:

Aldora or Darque?

>>2063960
> sudden extreme sexual violence situations
u wot m8

>>2064456
the concept of a woman's soul, actually, ACTUALLY trapped in the body of a man is too hilarious not to use at least once

normal Darque is just grim edgemaster sperglord

A real shame that RS2 and RS3 never got a remake in the same vein and of the same quality as RS1.

>>2064929
I'm surprised they haven't gotten remakes on the DS or 3DS.

>>2064929
To be fair, the SNES version of RS1 is kind of bad.

>>2065154
The remake was still the first and only time RS1 made it stateside.

I just would like that (as well as updated visuals and a bit of bonus content) for RS2 and 3 as well.

>>2065173
Well yeah that would be greatly appreciated for the other two.

>>2065154
>>2065173
I thought Minstrel Song was too casualized, but the biggest problem for me was the visual style. SD only really works for sprites, with 3D models it just looks stupid.

Different strokes I guess...

>>2064929
>>2065043
I think Unlimited Saga's poor reception followed by Square squandling oodles of money on the fiasco that was FF13 probably put the kibosh on the SaGa series for a while. Pretty unfortunate but what can you do.

>>2065347
Minstrel Song was too casualized!?

>>2065356
As opposed to the original game, yes

>>2065356
I was too hard core for the hardcore. I'm sure the amount of people who beat that game only number in the triple digits.

>>2065419
You're talking about Unlimited Saga right?

no it was more than that.

>>2065481
Wasn't there some sort of square sanctioned contest to see who could find all sorts of little things in the game first?
Like what characters said in certain situations or the name of bosses.

>>2051917
the first one just got finished. its gonna happen sooner than later

>get holy king
>it's a grill
Nice

>>2067072
Flynn, Red, someone, White Rose, someone

>>2067072
>King
>Girl

Japan really needs to stop being so dumb.

>>2067081
Females can be kings as well as males, you misogynist bigot.

>though Gideon Zhi is working on those
He's been sitting on that project for years now.

>>2067078
Where the fuck did you get Flynn

thats Labelle, Red, "A-Ra-Ke-Su" (which is supposed to be... I don't even fucking know, some butchering of "Alexis"?), White Rose Princess, "Kai", and Aurelius

Aurelius is a pretty good name for a king regardless of gender

>>2067158
Wasn't Flynne that weird faggot who chased Gustave around in a Sailor Outfit in Saga Frontier 2?

>>2067095
But `men can't be queens?

That's some sexist shit right there.

>>2067158
Arakes is RS3 boss

One month until SaGa's 25th birthday. I'm hoping to have something special finished for everyone by then.

>>2067391
RS2? Pretty cool

>>2067171
>men can't be queens

>>2067416
Actually it's a retrans of RS3. I offered to do RS2 but was assured it was already nearly complete and would be released Soon™. That said, the existing RS3 translations are just plain awful and full of errors, so I'm redoing it from scratch and taking advantage of the new variable width font used in the recent Spanish translation. Hold on to your butts.

>>2067416
Your band's named Queen, huh? Ain't that sweet.

>>2067391
Wouldn't get my hopes up.

But if something happens, cool!

>>2067431
RS2 by Gideon? Well despite the screenshot update, I'm not quite holding my breath

>>2067431
Oh and thanks for retranslating RS3. I always thought the original was just way too sloppy.

>>2047636
>best saga game common through

>Galahad is my husbando

>>2068743
Common = coming

*damn spell check...

>>2068743
honestly I think it's maybe like, 6th

SF2=US>SF>RS2>RS3>RS:MS

>>2067175
>no Boston

Do you saga niggar?

>>2068752
>minstrel song
>6th

And that's how I know your retarded.

>>2068752
Minstrel song, is saga on hard mode. Get good scrub

>>2068768
Minstrel Song is really easy. Stat reducing combos and self-sufficient healing will destroy literally every boss in the game. You can cripple 10FS Saruin, Death, and Shirach just by dropping their Agi, Dex, and Int. You can make one combo that does all of those at the same time. They even work better the more you decrease the enemy's agility, and since all the bosses have a combat pattern where they start with less dangerous attacks before moving up to more brutal attacks, you can have them perpetually weakened before they ever become a serious threat. You can get an ally that has a full set of stat reducing attacks that will combo with anything who can't get knocked out.

By the end of the fight even 10FS saruin is shooting single hit baby fishies with hydro blast.

The game also has pretty broken pacing.

Unlimited Saga is hard mode. Minstrel Song is autism intensified.

>>2068793
Which weapon types are the best to focus on using in Minstrel Song? Guella Ha and Barbara seem to be MVPs right now with Lance and Fist, respectively, but Albert using Foils seems to be doing a shitton of damage with no STR somehow. Why is that? Does Foil damage go off of Dex or something?

>>2070104
I like having one Castle Knight with a Long Sword in Defense mode for Deflect hijinks.

Sometimes more than one actually.

>>2067431
>a retranslation of RS3
All of my money. Take it, I don't need it anymore.

So assuming that RS2 gets translated and becomes fully playable for non-japanese speakers soon, I have a question:

Standard Saga rules still apply?
Meaning that formation and equipment are more important and that grinding/overgrinding is a no-no?

What's the point of returning her pets?

>>2071428
Crap forgot the image.

>>2071431
Don't you want a hot kiss from the professor? What are you, a piece of burnt wood that can be used for smoking?

(This post would work better if I had an image of her)

>>2071012
Pretty much, but training up your spell skills in a way to unlock the higher tier spells is also pretty important

Playing Saga Frontier, I'm confused is the narrator a lesbian?

So was this thing true at all or am I just setting myself up for dissapointment? http://www.siliconera.com/2014/06/30/next-saga-game-going-slow-steady-says-series-creator/

>>2071657
We've known Kawazu has been working on a new SaGa game but there's no telling what we'll get. It's the 25th anniversary in a month though, so maybe there will at least be an announcement.

>>2071571
If you mean Asellus, then possibly.

You can actually, indirectly choose how much of a gay she is

>>2071815
not Asellus, the narrator (Gina) who talks about meeting her for the first time, sounds like she's pretty gay for her. After playing a bit I get the impression that Asellus has pheremones that make people gay for her, possibly because of getting her blood from Orlouge?

I like this game a lot so far (awesome music and stuff) even though the narrative is kind of vague on the details. But that seems more like a stylistic thing than a flaw.

>>2071807
Good to know, I liked the setting in saga frontier and FFL's where it was a mixture of sci-fi and fantasy. It'd be nice if the new game was like that.

>>2071428
You need to clear the pets quest to be able to get the Rat Poison to defeat Algernon (Rat Cluster boss in Kidlanto)

>>2071821
Find the secret magazine in the Shrike Bookshop for an interesting line from her.

>>2071821
oh, yes

Mystics have powers that let them charm/mind control humans. Asellus gets her powers from the charm lord so she has like, extra powerful harem building magic.

>>2071821
>sounds like she's pretty gay for her
She is
>After playing a bit I get the impression that Asellus has pheremones that make people gay for her, possibly because of getting her blood from Orlouge?

Exactly, that's also why White Rose/mesarthim are gay for her, she has the same power as Orlouge, that's why he calls her daughter, and that's also why his charm power doesn't work on her.
You should go for the evil harem MC route for shit and giggles, the other two endings are also nice.

OP here, glad to see the thread is still alive and well.

>>2072305
Asellus has always been my waifu.
Do her powers effect people out of game?

When I replayed Saga Frontier last year I made it a point to use mostly Mystics in her line up, I gave everyone the same three monsters that give big +25 boosts to their most used stats, can't remember what.

>>2072306
>I gave everyone the same three monsters that give big +25 boosts to their most used stats, can't remember what.

Suzaku, that's the only way to get top stats for Mystics.

>>2072305
>You should go for the evil harem MC route for shit and giggles, the other two endings are also nice.

There are multiple endings? Interesting. Do the other characters have multiple endings too?

>>2072324
The only other one that sort of counts is in Blue's scenario, but it's not quite as different as Asellus's scenario. I don't want to give away too much, but you don't really get a different ending, it just changes some stuff, but technically you can affect major stuff in Blue's scenario. If you really want to know what happens, then here: if you lose (purposefully) the duel between Blue and Rouge, then you play the rest of the scenario as Rouge.

>>2072324
Asellus has three endings.
Emelia has two endings.
Blue has kind of 2 endings.
All the others have one ending, kind of bad coming from RomaSaGa 3 where there were different endings for almost everyone.

>>2072328
>>2072315
>>2072305

Asellus seems to have a lot of great fanart. I hope I didn't screw up and pick the best character first.

>>2072315
Where do you find all this glorious Asellus art?

So since theres not much conversation going on:

Did you always get the Asura in Asellus's quest?
Arcane Magic or Rune Magic?
Light Magic or Shadow Magic?
Space Magic or Time Magic?
Mind Magic or Evil Magic?
Mystic Magic or Realm Magic?
Life Magic or Mirage Magic?
Mblack 1, 2 or 3?

Most notable accomplishment?
I had an all sword team in Lute's game that could always do a 5 hit combo with three Life Sprinklers.

I actually got good at SaGa Frontier 2 and beat the egg & edelritters on my first try(yes this is an accomplishment).

Unlimited SaGa, I played it and I don't hate it, thats...good right?

>>2072329
She is probably the most loved character.
Red & T260G have really good stories.
Hell, if you don't mind monsters Riki's quest is quite fun too.

>>2072329
I kind of prefer Red and T260G, but Asellus is fine too, but I'm a /m/an and I have my bias.
>>2072330
>Where do you find all this glorious Asellus art?
Sankaku and Pixiv.

Best Facinaturu theme?

http://youtu.be/VTXDvQwMbH0
http://youtu.be/MyeIoQxSy48
or
http://youtu.be/LhbSpL9DAas

>>2072341
I'm pretty torn between 2 and 3.

>>2072341
2 is the most relevant.
1 is cool for Chateau Aiguille and 3 is strictly Asellus related.
Also, 3 isn't nowhere near as powerful and evocative as Mosperiburg/Muspelnir BGM. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL2tnFwVqyQ

Kinda makes you think about Virgil, he's pretty fucking strong for a Mystic and he has a ring too...
I bet he could mop the floor with Orlouge.

>>2072371
>Also, 3 isn't nowhere near as powerful and evocative as Mosperiburg/Muspelnir BGM.

I think they were going for a different kind of vibe. The Asellus song is still ominous but more elegant. The Mosperiburg one sounds kind of "horror movie." Know what I mean?

>>2072341
2

On the topic of Asellus/Facinaturu, what is the relevance of that big eternal fire? It has two rooms devoted to it but I never figured out what it did.

>>2072373
Yeah, that's probably what they wanted, I agree.
>>2072380
Kurenai is a fire spirit unique to Facinaturu, it was also supposed to connect Facinaturu to Mosperiburg in a discarded part of Asellus storyline but there's nothing more than that about it. It's just there.

How are you supposed to beat the bosses in RS3? They have way too much health and can kill party members with just 2 or 3 attacks. Grind until you have OP techniques?