/vr/ - Retro Games

>>2035287
I use a DVD recorder for my retro stuff.

>>2035287

Guessing this would work for original Xbox and DC?

>>2035327
anything that has rca connectors or s-video

>>2035287
FYI for anyone looking -

Many less expensive adapters may not support 240p signals from older consoles (N64 & prior). They need basically 480i. It's not just the 240p part, it's the way old consoles used different timings. XBox, GC and PS2 composite out work fine. On the N64 for example; games that allow you to use high res will display fine after you switch them (basically 480 lines).

Also lots of USB 1&2 adapters have significant delay. Everything is always buffered and switching to a realtime mode may disable recording.

If you're going for an ultra cheap vidcap solution; I recommend a PCI/PCI-E based internal card. They have much more bandwidth and usually better encoders. A 12-bit cap card (like the ATI AIW HD 650) will produce better dark levels on composite video.

Last, if you already have a DV cam, you could also use firewire input to your PC and just hook up your consoles the camera. It's encoder chip will do a much better job than any inexpensive cap card; so long as it has analog input.

>>2035503
OP here,
I wasn't really looking for anything professional, i just needed something easy to use and inexpensive to convert some old camcorder tapes to the computer.

There's a magic word for making these cheap, simple, poorly documented capture devices look good.

DScaler

>>2035724
Or really anything that processes digital video. It's not hard to deinterlace, guys.

I have a Hauppage USB-Live2. I wanted something that did hardware encoding, since a lot of cheaper cap cards rely on the PC CPU for a lot of it. S-Video capture quality is pretty good.

My ideal setup would be an RGB upscaler like an extron or whatnot, fed into an RGB capture card. NTSC just looks too 'dirty' for streaming/replay on computer displays.

>>2035287
good question, i been interested in getting one device to capture video and audio, not just to capture gameplay footage, but to transfer some video commercials.

Which one could be the best affordable option?.

>your dream device will never be built

>>2035503
>significant delay
Isn't the whole point of recording to have "delay"?

how good are the USB ones?

>>2036161
Plenty of these exist, though. They even take 24KHz Sega signals.

>>2036167
Well, if you're really cheap then you'd probably want to view it on your PC as it's recording. A proper splitter (distribution amp) is going to be another $20 or $30 for a cheap one.

>>2036161
really doesn't seem that hard to make

Can you use a Y-splitter without degrading the signal?

>>2037109
Maybe - it may look like ass. To do it properly, you want a video distribution amplifier. There's tons of them floating around eBay for real cheap.

>>2037103
Link it up. I'm through with browsing sites that have anything but what I need.

>>2037106
This doesn't help making them more common.

>>2035749
Dscaler has the lowest load so it produces the best results, and it does about everything and plays good with cheap chinky devices.

If you're not recording to a VCR and capturing the playback, you're doing it wrong.

>>2037124
>Link it up. I'm through with browsing sites that have anything but what I need.
http://www.sixfortyfive.com/streaming/xcapture1.html

first result on google.

>>2037147
this is going to be horrible for anything above 320px width

>>2037154
So I'm not going to buy one, but two bulky boxes so I can convert JP21 signal (which would require me to reroute SCART) to VGA and THEN connect it to my silly netbook. Then I'd have to buy some other transcoder for component/composite.

And I'm going to spend nearly 500$ instead of a simple plug and play solution like the pic I posted.

I didn't say stuff like this didn't exist, nether PCI cards like >>2035503 mentioned, just that I would really like some cheap 80$ tops device which just focused on the main syncs and took the inputs I listed.

I use a retron 5 hooked in to my Avermedia card.

>>2037203
Capturing three-channel high-speed analog data is not cheap or easy. You're just not willing to pay for the right equipment.

You can get some older high-end professional capture equipment for fairly cheap these days. Though they usually only support 480i and above.

>>2037271
Yeah, and somehow VGA boxes which capture 5 channels of high-speed analog data are really fucking common and cheaper than 50$ if you know where to look. Just give me the thing I drew and make sure it does 15KHz and 31KHz if possible.

>>2037285
Anything that captures 480i will trivially capture 240p. Just run it through a de-interlacer before touching it.

>>2037292
>Yeah, and somehow VGA boxes which capture 5 channels of high-speed analog data

and let me guess, your laptop is only usb2 as well

>>2037301
>what is a buffer
I didn't even mention I wanted constant 60fps or anything real time.

>>2037306
VGA is not 5 channels of anything. It's 3 analog signals and 2 sets of TTL synchronization pulses.

No wonder you can't find what you want. Maybe you need to read up on video a little more.

>>2037317
Maybe you should look up "pedantic".

I got a straight idea of what I want.

I don't really need to record retro.
I have a £5 ezcap thing lying around but I don't use it much.

>>2037331
>ezcap
How good are hose?

Better question, why frickin DVD recorders have not dropped in price, even refurbished, WHY?

>>2037916
I have a bootleg EasyCap (before they named it to ezcap to throw off the chinese). It was okay with with VirtualDub and it came with Ulead Videostudio which I had to use because it wouldn't work with Vegas or WMM. Not very good, I'd recommend an actual capture card.

>>2038245
I also neglected to mention that these really great capturing programs, OBS and AmaREC. Both are fan-fuckin-tastic.
https://obsproject.com/
http://www.amarectv.com/english/amarectv_e.htm

>>2038245
I have a few of these. They work OK, and for $10 I can't complain.

>>2037916

About as well as you can expect for £5. It supported S-Video at best but I only was able to use composite and it looked blurry. The deinterlacing on, for example, sonic adventure 2 looked awful.
But it was cheap and the quality was good enough that the gameplay was easy to follow, so I can't complain.

>>2038517
Does easycap give you any kind of power over manipulating the signal? Like delaying luma to catch up with chroma, or something. This would prove really useful.

>>2038520

I don't know, I haven't played with that. I know it supports various kinds NTSC, PAL and PAL60 at least.
I also haven't tried 240p with it, only 480i.

>>2035287
>>2037916
I use easycap(legit one, not clone), its okay but its really annoying to get working under windows 7 64bit(mostly due drivers), and I cant get audio straight from it(its messed up and so out of sync that its impossible to sync up) so I have to use my PC's line-in port and get audio from splitter.

Although video quality is okay from composite and good from s-video, its tedious to get working&setup.

>>2036161
so, basically this?

>>2036161
So, basically this?

>>2038690
What is that, how much does it cost, what are the system requirements, can it do RGBs without converting to component, does it support 240p/480p, and why are you sending composite through Pr?

>>2038692
Fuck's sake, learn to google.
https://www.elgato.com/en/gaming/gamecapture-hd

>>2038714
Sorry for asking some simple questions to a fellow anon which happened to have already tested this thing through.

So what I can gather from that page is:

It costs a reasonable amount of money because of that whole HD thing I don't really need.
As such the system requirements are also a little too much for me.
I have to convert RGBs to component before getting a compatible input, so that's some more money.
It says it supports 240p but the fact that only the latest gen consoles are mentioned makes me think they haven't tested much stuff through.

It also doesn't mention why you're sending composite over Pr or if it's even supported.

>>2038692
It says the name of the device right on it

It does everything except RGB, does support 240p 480i/p

It comes with the component cable, but you can buy a composite+svideo, but the component one will read as a composite as well.

You set the software to composite and it will just use the red as composite video instead.

I've used it for NES,SNES, and Genesis over composite with good results, and Gamecube over Component looks great, granted I have that nintendo brand cable that's $200 now.

>>2038721
I did a trial run of it a while back, here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j7i7XL7n6o
I've been able to get a little better quality out of it since from messing with settings, plus youtube sucks so there's that. It's not bad looking though.


I'm sure there are much cheaper solutions like what was previously posted, I got this one due to its versatility since I don't exclusively play retro and have a lot of ps3/360 games as well.


Also this >>2038714 wasn't me

This

It's funny that i'm capable to capture retro vidya in a way higher quality than most americans play(ed) it.
>12VDC 2A PSU (actually 200mA are sufficient)
>homemade SCART RGB->YPbPr converter
>Empia 28285
>quality composite and S-Video cables
>2x homemade S-Video to RCA adapters
>a USB extension cable (not shown)
I used what i already had instead of getting a cable with red, green and blue RCA plugs, it's not like this is any different.

so what/why are you all capturing ?
i use dvd recorder for shitty CVS2 matches

So do all the USB video grabbers/recorders have lag in audio?

is there any way to reduce that shit?

i keep reading comments and reviews for similar USB video recorder devices, and they all had the same problem, they suck, better be lucky to find an used DVD recorder for a reasonable price don't you think?

>>2042059
>and they all had the same problem, they suck
I had one that couldn't understand non-interlaced, that one sucked very much.
But here it's more a matter of knowledge how analogue video and video compression works.
A DVD recorder would be more idiot friendly but produce inferior quality material by deinterlacing and applying a lossy compression.
With: >>2038742
I record the footage first with a lossless video codec (to keep the full color resolution) with DScaler because every other program fails at audio syncing.
Then i process the lossless footage by correcting the 'deinterlaced' video back to 50/60fps (unless it was correct that way), maybe apply some filters, correct the aspect ratio and crop the black border out.
Pic not so related to my previous post, this was a other USB capture device STK1160 and i hacked the driver to be able to configure video ADC myself.

>>2042284
i am looking at DScaler website and it barely supports NTSC video, even the goddamn pinnacle dazzler ones get barely 3 stars?

what's going on?

I'm using a Framemeister +Elgato HD60.

Good link: https://blz.la/rgb/

>>2042059
I've seen those as well. Kids who rant in the comments section say more about themselves than the product. If you know what you're doing you can get decent recordings out of a low end USB card. If you want to stream your sufami on twitch at 1080p using an RF cable as it was originally intended then, nah.

>>2042059
>>2043242
>>2042812
allright, i actually bought a Honestech VHS to DVD 8.0 Deluxe and i did a test with the software included, i will try to upload it for tonight, but what other programs can be used with this one.

I tried Sony Vegas and couldn't recognize it.

>>2045129
i did a test with virtualdub and............

http://youtu.be/qIQshjXib84

>>2045201
and here's the 1st test i did using the built-in software of that thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLd-m4qQ3rI&feature=youtu.be

>>2045201
>>2045517
Use a bob filter, not a blend.

>>2045554
and to reduce input lag?

>>2038726
>>2038732
>It does everything except RGB, does support 240p 480i/p
Coupled with my CSY-2100 that thing sounds like a good capture device.

>>2035287
Not retro.

>>2045129
What chipset does that have? They don't make it obvious but it looks like it's a usbtv007. The key to getting a good capture with this is the right settings. Set it to exactly what your console is outputting. Leave the upscaling/ deinterlacing/whatever for later.

>>2045587
Buy a card with a faster interface. The objective of recording is to create lag not eliminate it.

>>2047019
>What chipset does that have? They don't make it obvious but it looks like it's a usbtv007. The key to getting a good capture with this is the right settings. Set it to exactly what your console is outputting. Leave the up-scaling/ de-interlacing/whatever for later.

how do i do any of that? the built in software does not allow me to de-interleace nor it has many options for optimization, seems to me like a stream down program for casuals :P (tough i have been ripping some recordings i have on VHS and seems pretty ok)

>>2038721
I know a guy who streams NES, Genesis, Saturn, etc on Twitch with one of these. So it does work. He loves the thing but like you I just don't want to pay all that money for the HD specs I don't need/want.

>>2046035
Yes it is, ultrafaggot. If it was possible in 1998, it's definitely retro.

>>2047139
You might be able to find details about the chipset in device manager, or ask the manufacturer. The software you're using is probably kiddie shit. What is it, the "VHS to DVD" thing? Never even tried that. Did you get the honestech DVR software with it? I use that because it gives me precise control over everything the driver supports. I think it actually just pulls up dialogs from the driver because they're different for different cards but whatever, it gives me quick access to whatever I need.

>>2045587
Get a distribution amp and mirror the signal to a TV for playing on.