/vr/ - Retro Games

No, please stick to /v/

>>>/v/

No, thank you.

I'd give it at least until kids born at the time these consoles came out are old enough to browse 4chan.

Not yet

>>2007992
I figured the best people to discuss this with would be /vr/.
/v/ has a shitty FF port to worry about.

>>2007990
>but as time progresses
this board is what? a year old? Wait until more time has progressed.

>>2007998
I'm not suggesting that the board is old, just that the question of "Has it been long enough to include this yet?" will still be a thing. A set-in-stone list of requirements would perhaps work better. Take the current rules for example. A Dreamcast is retro, but the PS2 isn't, despite the time difference of less than 12 months.

>>2007990
I think "2 generations old" is a good rule for retro as far as discussion goes. Now, maybe it's a good idea to wait a little while longer for this gen to "sink in", but it'd be crazy to not include ps2/xbox/GC in /vr/ discussions before this gen is up.

>>2008006
This.

Dreamcast is an odd exception because discussion of it was highly demanded and it didn't really feel like the first 'sixth gen' console, but the last 'fifth gen' console, regardless of what it actually was, still, even it's inclusion was controversial.

When next gen (PsFiveu, Wii Next and Xbox 2001: A Microshill Odyssey) rolls around, then it will probably be okay.

>>2008004
It has more to do with the fact that using 2000 as a cutoff point is a fairly logical thing to do.

>>2008008
It is, for now. But what about next year? Do we keep a 15 year gap between modern and retro? Or does the gap widen because 2000 is a nice number to work from?

>>2008007
>When next gen (PsFiveu, Wii Next and Xbox 2001: A Microshill Odyssey) rolls around, then it will probably be okay.

fucking this, when will people learn?

inb4 404

>>2008009
Have the gap widen. Many of us feel it's too permissive as it is, was re: dreamcast bitching.

>>2008004
The Dreamcast died much earlier than the PS2 did.

>>2008031
PS2 didn't even die until this year.

the dreamcast is retro here because of all the multiplats.

Games that were okay to discuss on, say, the PSX, weren't considered 'retro' on the dreamcast.

They were the same games, yet we couldn't talk about the dreamcast ports.

There's a great infopic about it, someone should post it since I didn't save it.


I think GCN/PS2/XBOX should be considered retro after the NEXT gen is over. Once the ps6 is announced. But that's just my opinion (and my preference on keeping GEN6 out of /vr/)

No. The PS2 was still getting games released for it last year.

>>2008040
You want the *PS5* to be nearly done before including PS2/GC into /vr/? Holy shit I disagree.

I'm in favor of a year or two maximum before including PS2/GC.

>>2008040
>the PSX

not retro you turdburgler

>>2008052
yeah, faggot, i was waiting for you

hilarious post, 10/10

>>2008053
Oh, what did you mean then?

You were referring to the PS1?
Call it as such then retard.

>>2008059
>i posted it again

>tfw you can't wait to discuss Blinx and Ty the Tasmanian Tiger

>>2008040
found it.

>>2007990
No. Ask again in five years.

>>2008052
>>2008059
fite me 4 real

>>2007990
a certain year is easier to use as a rule for boundaries

it really should be the games themselves, i.e. how they were designed to play, but it'd be hard to specify a clear boundary what's retro and what's modern without making a whole bible of rules (which rule-evading smart-asses love, because they're always full of holes)

unless there's going to be a very significant change in how video games are designed and played (think: going from 2D to accelerated 3D) for the next decade or so, making now-modern games "retro", the 1999 rule should stay

>>2007994
kids born in 1999 aren't old enough to browse 4chan, kids born on the N64 release date just barely count for 18. The Gamecube was released one decade and three years ago, I believe it should be able to be talked about here.

>>2008086
How about if the console is old enough to browse 4chan, it's retro?

No, and stop making this thread every day.

>>2008090
>we're the same goiym.

>>2008087
I like this rule, but it still excludes dreamcast

I wish it were possible to discuss obscure ps2 games on /v/. Oh well.

>>2008093
>>2008075

It's about the different styles of games, kid.

When the current generation games are apprecaibly different from FFX, then FFX and such will become a different category of gaming.

However, they should still be separate from the currently defined retro games. Personally, I think there should be a Retro 2D board, and a Retro 3D board (when enough 3d games become old, say 10 more years).

tl;dr it's not about the age of the games, but the style

>>2008106
>there should be a Retro 2D board, and a Retro 3D board
that's as retarded as saying /g/ should be split into hardware and software

>>2007997
Oh, please; /v/'s currently clogged with Smashfags.

>>2008106
>Wait till 3D games age 10 years
>It's not about age

Wat

>>2008121
You know that many people want it. People interested in GNU/Linux aren't the same as those talking about gay men or phones.
Trying to split into 2D and 3D makesa lot less sense and there are plenty of cases where it's not easy to distinguish. I'm more for raising the bar to 1995 and excluding the fifth generation consoles like PS1 or N64.

>>2007990
So we can't discuss master system?

They are still being made in Brazil.

Do the right thing this time /vr/ and don't let this go ten million pages.

>>2008141
Clones of pretty much all retro consoles are still being made, no one cares, fuck off.

Best system : Current Gen - The Gen that Was - Retro.
For the sake of PC, retro games can be considered anything released during the reign of a retro gen.

>>2008150
So Gamecube/PS2/Xbox is retro now?

I must make F-Zero GX and Timesplitters threads, this is important

>>2008151
May as well be, mine are gathering dust.

I can think of the current gen sitting pride of place in the living room, with the PS360 sitting just below it, because it's still semi-relevant. The PS2 was packed into it's box, and sat atop the wardrobe because everything has it's time, everything dies.

All these threads ever boil down to is
>b-b-but I don't wanna on /v/!

Well good news for you kiddo there are a zillion other forums and image boards (including one more even on this website) where you can do that.

>b-b-but I don't like those either!
Put down your setting machine for a moment and realize the world doesn't need to conform to you.

>It was discontinued 7 years ago
>It was released 13 years ago
>It uses the same composite cable as the N64 and SNES
Did we really wait for the SNES or the NES to become 13 years old to be considered retro?

>>2008163
Did you a miss a few words? Because that just isn't making sense.

>>2008093
How is that a problem? Even if the cutoff were moved to 2005 the Dreamcast should still be banned by name as punishment for the DC-fags.

Guys, guys. Let's give it six more years. Dreamcast barely counts as is (still want to keep it around) and you can easily discuss the other three systems on /v/.

>>2008173
>Dreamcast should still be banned by name as punishment for the DC-fags.
You

I like you.

>>2008140
>You know that many people want it.
many people are retards, so what

>People interested in GNU/Linux aren't the same as those talking about gay men or phones.
people interested in I.T. infrastructure (servers/routers/etc) aren't the same as those circlejerking about their butt-hole stations and consumer electronics, yet both are technically 'hardware'
same with programmers and "speccy thread!" fags or desktop circlejerkers

what /g/ really needs is a "/cj/ - circlejerking" containment board, and more strictness against consumer advice/tech support threads

I think it's a question of design philosophies. A lot of current gen games are still using the same philosophies as games from PS2/GC/XBOX gen.

When whatever current gaming is, changes enough to where it's just not a 6th gen game with prettier graphics. Then I think you should start thinking about including them here.

>>2008173
>>2008176
Autism speaks.

>>2008173
>>2008040
>the dreamcast is retro here because of all the multiplats.
>>2008075
>DC-fags
This thread is in /v/ standards

>>2008154
>May as well be, mine are gathering dust.
Maybe that's the point, it's the gen people have lost interest in. People have forgotten about the ps2, xbox and gamecube. While the gen before people are coming back to out of nostalga.

When people who grew up with the ps2 start digging out their old ps2 or xbox for a nostalgic game of timesplitters or halo, then that gen will be retro.

>>2008168
Let's say we give GC a pass on your criteria. What's next?

>Wii uses GC controllers
>Wii us now retro

Age is one thing, "uses the same cable" is really reaching.

Personally I think we can count the remainder of 6th gen to be retro when the 9th gen consoles (if they ever do) show up.
The Dreamcast doesn't feel as advanced as the rest of 6th gen to me. You wouldn't get GTA 3 on a Dreamcast for example.

>>2008176
>>2008173
How can you hate something so sexy? Fuck you guys!

>>2008273

The design of the Dreamcast isn't great. The best I can say about it is that it was compact, because I don't like the styling otherwise. Especially the controller.

>>2008093
Dreamcast was ahead of her time

>>2008281

Not really.

>>2008052
>still fighting the psx thing

every time.

Does anyone else feel the GBA should be considered retro?

Aside from the SP being many peoples preferred way to play older GB and GBC games and all the retro ports it has, as the last of the Gamy Boy line it just seems like the last of the retro handhelds, especially as its game library was still made up of old style 2d games.

Then you had the move to the DS, Sony brought out the PSP, 3d gaming on handheld consoles took off and the modern era began.

>>2008306

I feel that way. I'd love to be able to discuss GBA games here,

>>2008306
wait... GBA isnt considered retro? what kind of fucktard wouldnt consider it retro

>>2008310
People who rigidly adhere to rules without questioning their validity

People who like to be contrary for any possible reason

>>2008310
it was discontinued in 2008.... 6 years ago.

>>2008314
only 2 years after the PlayStation was discontinued.

>>2008306
>>2008310

The games are pretty much retro styled as a majority but I'd still not say it's really retro. I mean the minish cap didn't even hit the US until 2005, the same year the 360 came out.

>>2008306
I like that it's non-retro just because of the huge amount of autist tears it generates.

>>2008326
super valid point.
an even more valid point:
>playstation was introduced in 1994
>gba was introduced in 2001

>>2008313
>everybody who disagrees with me is a drone or a hipster
Why do you have to be such an insufferable fuck?

>>2008335
>>2008332
>>2008308
>>2008310

tbf the mods do seem to be fairly flexible here. There's been a few threads about the console itself which don't seem to get taken down. Now if I started a thread about minish cap that would probably be another matter.

>>2008306
I'd love to discuss the GBA more often, I mean it's a 16-bit system. That automatically makes it qualify for /vr/ in my book.

>>2008354

I think technically it's 32 bit.
Not that bits really matter.

I wish we had 3 video game boards:
/vr/ - Retro Games for video game systems up to 4th gen
/vmc/ - Modern Classics for 5th, 6th and 7th gen systems
/v/ - Video Games for shitposting, meme of the month and occasional discussion about the current gen systems.

Now I kinda see where the 6th gen fags come from, I have been playing early PS2 games and you can't really discuss them anywhere as /v/ doesn't give a fuck about them and they aren't retro enough for /vr. However at the same time I think 5th gen system shouldn't be /vr/ as they don't feel old enough to be retro and resemble modern games more than anything predating them. Maybe /vr/ should be only about 2D games?

>>2008370
wouldn't that fall under /vg/ then?

>>2008370
A /vr/ tha only goes up to the 8-bits would get real stale real fast. It would be DRAGON QUEST THREAD, DOOM THREAD, and then 50 different "which NES games shud I play" threads. I mean we see enough repeated shit already. /vmc/ would suffer the same problem. No, friend, united we stand. Divided we get bored as shit.

>>2008381
4th gen systems include 16-bit system like SNES and Genesis/Megadrive.

Holy crap, what do people want to discuss so badly about these systems? If you're first thought upon entering here is "Why can't I talk about Halo??" instead of trying to talk about what is actually allowed, then you probably don't belong here.

>>2008396
Right, my mistake. So update the neo-/vr/ thread list with 20 WHICH SNES GAMES SHUD I PLAY threads and repeated threads which bitch about jew prices for Mario RPG, Chrono Trigger, and Earthbound.

>>2008370
/vr/ was always a flawed concept for a board from the get-go, especially given its stupid name. I don't understand why other anons are vehemently opposed to the inclusion of PS2-era consoles, given how slow the board currently is.

>>2008409
Wow. I meant "your." Fuck.

>>2008409
>I don't want people to discuss a popular franchise I dislike.

>>2007990
I say if we are to discuss any 6th gen consoles, they should only be the Xbox and GameCube. Those two, alongside the Dreamcast, had a snowball's chance in hell against the PS2, and they were all buried alive under mounds of broken PS2s.

>>2008418
slow board = good board, I don't think creating another board would hurt anyone, a 00's vidya board would keep everyone happy.

>>2008418
Who cars if it is somewhat slow? Speed of the board shouldn't be a concern, unless the board is literally near death, which it isn't.

>>2008421
> boards should change their established rules to cater to my preferences

>>2008424
Yes. I fully support having a board for non - current but outdated consoles. Just because I don't think they belong here doesn't mean that I think there should be no decent place for them to be discussed. If mootles had the desire, I really wouldn't be opposed to breaking it down even further, but in all honesty that'd be a mess.

>>2008423
I find this an odd limitation, quality or popularity are ambiguous and arbitrary.

>>2008427
Your argument could easily be summarized the other way around.
>boards shouldn't change their established rules so they could cater to my preferences

I don't like Madden, but that doesn't mean I would oppose any discussion about the Genesis and SNES games in the series in this board.

Arguing that allowing Xbox discussion would bring on Halo kiddies to /vr/ is fucking retarded and shortsighted. Are you too much of a Halo hater to forget that the original Xbox had other good games too? Do Ninja Gaiden 2004, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Jet Set Radio Future, OutRun 2, Splinter Cell and Otogi mean anything to you?

Adding the PS2 will add a lot of teenagers to the board and you will see a shift in the quality of posting. I mean really, lets kid ourselves here. Anyone who isn't allowed to drink generally shits up anything that goes on online.

>>2008357
32 bit ARM processor. If that means it's retro then so are smart phones.
Not that ARM systems can't be retro, see for instance the Acorn Archimedes from 1987.

If we're going to constantly be bickering about the rules every single day, we might as well just stop the whole fucking train and go back to /v/.

If I were moot I would shut the place down if this keeps up. You ever piss your parents off fighting over a toy with your sibling? If they were good parents they would have taken it away altogether.

The thing is if 6th gen was suddenly allowed on /vr/ you'd have the exact same argument you had in favor of Dreamcast:

>FIFA 2012 for PS2: retro
>FIFA WC 2006 for Xbox 360: not retro

The PS2 was indeed a generation breaker, it effectively survived two generations, making it simultaneously a 6th and 7th gen console, which is why the 7th gen won't be allowed in /vr/ any time soon.
If the 6th gen consisted of DC, Xbox and GC then it would have already been allowed for sure.

>>2008486
Why can't we have a cutoff based on the release date of the game as it's already done for PC games?

>>2008491
but then we'd get babbies crying about how their game isn't retro when a game on the same system was released a month earlier IS.

why is this thread still alive?

>>2007990
No. Those consoles are way too advanced in comparison. They're nowhere on the same level.

PS2 should be considered retro but with "cut off" date until like God of War, GTA: SA and Tekken 5

>>2008497
Because it was released a month earlier.
Best would be a rolling cutoff date so they'd just have to wait another month until their game is released.

Honestly, I don't want the PS2 and beyond generation to ever become /vr/. It just encourages retards from /v/ to come here and shitpost about their favorite console war bullshit, since all those companies are still in the market.

>this thread

>>2008341
It's easy when you put words in my mouth.

>>2007990

Ask yourself this: Is Persona 4 retro?

The answer is no.

>>2007990

>Sixth gen
>Retro

Get off my lawn you fucking whippersnappers. Go tag up a skatepark or something.

I want to talk about Onimusha on this board, but we can't have nice things.

>>2008168
Famicom was released in 1983, no one considered NES retro in 1996, it was just outdated

>>2007990
>PS2
>Ever going to be retro

Even in 50 years time I will still refuse to call it retro.

The Dreamcast gets a pass because it was a crossover generation. I'd say wait until 2020 for PS2/Xbox/Gamecube

>>2008559
dreamcast

>>2007990
I actually love the 6th gen, but this isn't the place to discuss it. The rules of what is retro and what isn't is besides the point, allowing 6th gen will defeat the purpose of this board and lower the quality of posts, as well as increase the speed of the board dramatically, which I don't think is a positive.

I don't even think the Dreamcast is retro, but at least it doesn't harm the quality of the board. If we allow the 6th gen, we'll only eventually have to keep adding to what is retro, and obviously that will make this board a complete mess.

As far as I'm concerned, the more narrow the definition of retro is, the better quality of discussion there will be. With the current board rules, this is about as narrow as the retro definition can be without everyone complaining endlessly.

There are other places to discuss those games, if you don't like /v/, find a message board that caters to those consoles

>>2008590
What's the point of adding to what is retro?

Eventually things plateau and it all just blend together, and then what would be the point of even saying "retro gaming" if the style is indistinguishable from current gen? "Retro" in terms of gaming is a complete misnomer

>>2008605
>"Retro" in terms of gaming is a complete misnomer
This. This board should've been called /cvg/ for "classic video games." I don't know why "retro" suddenly became a synonym for "old."

>>2008605
In the case of the Dreamcast, the games stylistically look antiquated. It was also the last console to have an arcade equivalent hardware. It is dated and historical.

The only thing from 6th gen that should be added (in my opinion) is GBA.

GBA was basically a portable snes, the games are pretty 'retro' by gameplay/graphics standards, and the library was pretty solid.

Gamecube/Xbox/PS2 were pretty much the end of retro gaming, where games (for the most part) began to focus on graphics/storytelling over gameplay.

>>2008615

MGS was on the PS1

>>2008582
Seems like you simply have an aversion to change.

>>2007990

>but as time progresses, 2000 becomes further away.
There is a reason for that. Games from 2001 onward, from 6th gen(like Halo, GTA 3, Devil May Cry etc...) are much closer to modern day games then they are to EVEN 5th gen games. There is practically no significant difference between those hit titles from 2001 i mentioned and popular ones from 2014(besides graphics). Modern games are designed around same principles and philosophy as those 13 years old games. THAT'S WHY THEY ARE NOT RETRO, even if games from 1988 were retro as fuck in 2001. 6th gen will not be retro until modern games change more.

You clueless kids are sure getting annoying spamming threads about this every fucking day. Go back to /v/.

>>2008619
I think he's talking about overall trends, not specific examples

>>2008627

So you're saying FF7 and MGS weren't massively mainstream? That the whole cinematic game thing didn't become cancerous on the PS1?

>>2008629
No I'm not saying that at all. I think they set the trend for gaming on the 6th gen, even though they were in the 5th gen if you see what I mean.

>>2008591

is retro

>>2008625
>copypasta

>>2008284
Yes it was

>>2008662

How?

6th gen will never be retro. It's the only gen to rival the 2nd gen in shittyness. Maybe even surpass it.

>>2008463
It was mostly a 32 bit ARM with an snes gpu

If you want my opinion I like the dreamcast being the cut off for the board. It wouldn't bother me to add the GBA but no PS2, GCN or XBOX please.

>>2008669

>6th gen shitty
>7th gen not shitty
>8th gen not shitty

>>2008669
I don't understand how you think it's worse than 7 or 8th gen

>>2008678
Right.
It goes
>6th gen shitty
>7th gen supper shitty
>8th gen ultra shitty

Sometime I forget how far modern gaming has gone.

>>2008680
It's the start of the all the shittyness. Garbage like Halo for example.

>>2008685

But it's not the worst of all the shittyness.

>>2008669
>6th gen
>shitty
This is horrible bait and you should feel horrible.

>>2008681
I have a love hate relationship with 6th gen. I think it continued and worsened a lot of awful trends from 5th gen and led to the fall of modern gaming.

Then again, it has some of the best 3D games of all time

>>2008685
And does that mean all of the great games in 6th gen are worthless just because of games like fucking Halo?

That's childish

>>2008691
There were some really good games but none I'd call best or even top 5 for a genre. Some exceptions I guess like the gta games.
>>2008687
Fair point. Re haven't reached a peak yet for dlc, pay to win, etc, and w/e garbage yet though.

>>2008697

And none of that was on the 6th gen.

>>2008701
Right I forgot xbox live was free... Oh wait.

>>2008075
This should be retro too

>>2008705

You didn't mention that there (even though it is cancerous)
Was there paid DLC on the original Xbox's Xbox Live?

saged
reported
hidden


fuck off OP.

>>2008504
>GTA: SA

You're fucking waking up a monster in here; people like to whine about the doom generals, just you wait for a 3D GTA era general

>>2008624
There are many things I would call retro, but the PS2 is not one of them.

>>2008716
I know there are demos and I'm almost positive there was other dlc.

>>2008716
I remember downloading extra levels for Splinter Cell, KOTOR, Counter-Strike, the Hurriane Packs for Ninja Gaiden and they were all free. I'm sure it wasn't if it was a title that was published by Microsoft.

>>2008724
GTA games don't have regular content being produced for them like Doom does.

>>2008734

Read that post out loud.

>>2008734

but they sure as hell have a much wider audience compared to the Doom community

and this comes from someone who likes Doom

A GTA 3D-era general in /vr/ would be 10 times more active than the Doom one BY FUCKING FAR. Almost /vg/-tier active

and don't get me started on the fanbase

>>2008736
I don't have to.

I play the shit out of GTA games. I live it and breathe it almost. DOOM has a large number of mods/levels that are always popping out. GTA, while it has a modding community, doesn't have one with as much worthwhile content coming out.

GTA also has a higher barrier of entry for making original content, I think.

>>2008669
6th and 4th gen are the best video game generations of all time. If you disagree you don't know shit about videogames. THE END

I dont want to allow PS2 and the like cause the majority of this board is already underage and I dont want to force all the oldfags off with awful millenial PS2 nostalgiaposting.

>>2008738
It's also pathetically easy to make levels for Doom. GTA I'm not so sure about.

>>2008737
>A GTA 3D-era general in /vr/ would be 10 times more active than the Doom one BY FUCKING FAR.

Nope. Part of what keeps Doom generals alive is the new content. GTA doesn't get new content. It might be populated for a while, but steam would die off and the threads would become less frequent.

>>2008739
Every shitty gamecube kids opinion. 6th gen consoles suck a fat dick, PC gaming on the other hand was fucking prime.

>>2008740
>the majority of this board is already underage
I don't believe it, this board has the least shitposting and meme bullshit I've ever seen.

>>2008740
How old are you, anyway? Legit question.

>>2008741
I don't have experience with most GTA games, but I have done some GTA1 modding. There are tools out there, and while I don't want to call it the hardest thing in the world, it's not pathetically easy.

Also the gameplay in GTA is more complex than Doom is, with its mission-based gameplay.

>>2008739
Just no.

>>2008668
Trascending what console gaming was by understanding gaming in general. When the DC was released online gaming and gaming communities were a big thing but just for PC gamers. The difference is that PC were $1000 machines that did more than gaming. The DC was a relatively cheap piece of hardware that was very simple to use (a console basically) which let you go online and had online console games (plus "3D accelerated" graphics). You had the first console MMO in the Dreamcast. Also it was when SEGA got the arcade experience at home they had been marketing for so long right. In a time when arcades had just stopped being the most advanced gaming machines, SEGA released their console with hardware on par with their main arcade machine, the Naomi.

The ride stopped before time but there was a hdd like storage option (the zip drive) and an MP3 player VMU in the pipeline. Also, a DVD player.

Also, the VMU and the VGA box.

So basically it wanted to be more than a console while remaining a console.

and how the fuck this thread is still alive, anyway?

>>2008739
>6th
Yes.
>4th
No.

No. Get out of here.

Retrogaming is often considered to be playing games that are discontinued, or on discontinued platforms, such as all of Gen Six, unless I'm mistaken.

Something from 2005 sure is retro.

>>2008751

>VMU and VGA box

Not /vr/
Rules are rules
>>>/v/

>>2008748
25, I could totally see 6th gen shit forcing most of the obscure stuff off the board. Slower threads like japanese computer threads or obscure dos games would be bumped off with threads like "OMG GUISE HOW GOOD WAS JAK AND DAXTER, RATCHET AND CLANK or some other gay 6th gen garbage I don't care about" 6th gen had a lot of great games but also when you have a console like the PS2 sell 100 million most of the games are going to be shovelware.

>>2008752
Dunno, but I'm enjoying talking about GTA modding. Would love to mod GTA1 missions with /vr/.

http://projectcerbera.com/gta/1/

The code demos download is good if you want to learn how to code missions.

>>2008629
FF7 and MGS had a lot to offer on gameplay front. The fact that they also had cinematic qualities doesn't mean they are cancerous, because ten years later there were more games with emphasis on the cinematic.

>>2008760
>25

So...you're a millennial is what you're telling me.

>>2008765
You do know millennial is 1980 to late 90s right?

>>2008764

FF7 was the same JRPG gameplay that was tired by 97 and MGS had terrible gameplay in general.

>>2008746
It has been increasing rapidly in the last few months though.

>>2008768
Yes.

So it's silly to try to act like an old man when you're part of said age group.

Mooooooods get this thread off /vr/

>>2008771
I'm not that anon I was just saying.
I don't know if this board really has an older age group or if it's just culture.

>>2008771
so what? I can be pissed off at my own age group can't I? I know those assholes have shit taste in games this thread just proves it. If you want the PS2 on here that bad you must really be itching to talk about some piece of crap. I'm going to kill myself when I see ICO threads or other garbage games like that.

>>2008745
I'm 30 years old and i started gaming on home computers in 1989.
>PC gaming on the other hand was fucking prime.
I can tell you are a lot younger then me, and a lot dumber. During 6th gen we had 4 GREAT home consoles(every single one was good), some great mid/high budget PC exclusives, and the last breath of arcade gaming. Also, this was the last generation of Japanese domination on consoles, and they made a lot of great games then.

6th gen had more quality then the 5th and 7th, same variety as the 5th, and the biggest quantity of retail games ever.

>>2008769
This place has gone to hell.

>>2008782

>People have opinions I don't like!

>>2008782
Nothing has gone to hell. You're just responding to bait.

>>2008781
I'm not that anon I just want to say BF2 is one of the best PC games made period. CoD was also in its goldenage.

>>2008758
The VMU let you do stuff you couldn't do until the Wii U, and some of the stuff that the VMU enabled still cannot be done with the Wii U.

The VGA box let you connect the console to monitors and to HDTVs before HDTVs were a thing.

If that's not before it's time for you I don't know what is.

>>2008781
Nah xbox was a Dell pc put into a game case, PS2 was just a linux computer and the gamecube is a piece of fucking over rated trash. For someone that thinks they are so intelligent you probably have a shit taste in games.

6th gen

better than first
better than second
worse than third
worse than fourth
worse than fifth

so the 6th gen is really only better than 2 generations nobody cares about. Stop being so delusional, gb2godofshit faggot.

>>2008781
5th gen had some of the greatest games made ever so I don't agree about your console comparison.

>>2008791

The VMU was sorely underutilized. Also, as just a memory card it was shit, with barely any storage space.
The PS2 a year later let it connect to HDTVs (as opposed to PC monitors, since Component is much more common on HDTVs.) Also, the PS2 supported VGA.
That console also had internet connectivity.

>>2008794

>PS2 was just a linux computer
You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>2008790
Yep, I did like vietnam better than 2 but 2 was still great. 3 was such a huge letdown I didnt even bother with 4 because of how bad 3 was. Yes CoD was good too, CoD 2 is one of the best WW2 shooters ever its a shame the series went the way it did.

>>2008797
>with barely any storage space.
Tell me about it. Shenmue took up almost half a VMU.

>>2008794
>PS2 was just a linux computer
Sorry, i stopped reading here.

>>2008795
You should play some of the not so greatest games ever made from that generation and see how they compare to the 6th gen mediocre ones.

>>2008797
shut the fuck up kid, sony released a version of linux specifically for their console.

>>2008756
I'm just going by the descriptions I find.

>>2008807

Thank god for VMUtool and those extra 41 blocks.

>>2008809

What isn't Linux on? There's Linux on Gamecube, Wii, PS3, 360, PSP, DS...

>>2008808
I'd take bubsy 3d over halo.

>>2008760
Are you implying that Jak and Daxter was not an excellent game? Because I'm just going to have to stop you there.

>>2008821
It's garbage compared to Crash.

>>2008785
>Gas them.

>>2008821

I don't believe he is. I think he's saying that allowing PS2 mainstream stuff on this board would mean a lot of other stuff goes undiscussed.

>>2008824

The sequels, yes.

>>2008818
Because you are a dumb hipster(or a true autist).

>>2008828
Not everyone likes moon jump fps.

>>2008797
Having a personal private screen in your controller is a very good idea for multiplayer games. I give you that the storage was ridiculous.

About the PS2 video connectors I won't argue because I don't really know . Was the component cable widely available? What do you mean with the PS2 supported VGA? I looked at that kind of cable for the PS2 back in the day in sites like lik-sang and it looked like a hack, I don't think there was an official Sony one. Also, the output of the PS2 never looked as crisp as the DC one to my eyes (but that's something subjective that I cannot really back so I won't argue either). The PS2 eventually got internet connectivity but was very much of an afterthought. Even the first DC games had a browser buit in that let you go to the game site to get news and stuff and upload scores.
And as you said, the PS2 was released like a year and something after the DC.

>>2008824
They're different games though. Crash was essentially Mario in 3D. Get from A to B, kill things so they don't kill you, collect X of Y for a new life, become Allah by collecting the mask/star, hidden bonus levels, etc.

Jak was free roam, a relaxed pace, collect-all-the-shitism, but still held the classic boss fights.

But the kids who grew up with these consoles aka the late millennials are already in college or going to graduate.But being one of these kids, I don't want other people spamming PS2, KH threads, sanic autism or HALO BEST FPS eva threads here. I like talking to older people but things I never had the time to experience. Also it feels like they barely discontinued the 6th gen yesterday imo.

>>2008826
It already happens even witht he amount of content we have some threads don't get any replies for awesome underrated games, then you have stupid zelda bullshit get 100+replies

>>2008835
Forgot to add, the DC was the first console which let you have 60 FPS in PAL territories. The PS2 eventually did it too but I had monochrome output in every TV I tried, while the DC would output color even in our main TV which was from 1992.

>>2008838
That's the way of the world. If people know what it is, they're more likely to take an interest.

>>2008829
Yes but to prefer an abomination like Bubsy 3D to a competent game like Halo, that is unquestionably excellent in at least few aspects(Music, AI) is just impossible, unless you are a true autist that gets pleasure and comfort from aimlessly collecting shit in Bubsy 3D.

>>2008836
>Jak was free roam
You know 6th gen supporters are delusional when they call corridor hell "free roam".

>>2008835

I agree, but it didn't see nearly as much use as it should have. I'd have loved for the VMU to have been more than a gimmick.

The component cable was pretty common, more so than the Gamecube one certainly. The VGA cable was only in the Linux kit so it's pretty damn rare, so Ill grant you that. That said, if you want to hook a console into a TV, 9 times out of 10 you'll need Component and not VGA. The PS2 at least had ethernet and modem support while the dreamcast was for just about everyone crippled.

>>2008839

A lot of what's being said about the Dreamcast being innovative is just things every other 6th gen console.
And I have a lot of trouble forcing import Dreamcast games to run at 60 while I've never had that problem on a PS2.

>>2008836
I despise those collecathon 3d platformers. So glad that shit died.

>>2008843
It was relatively Free Roam in that you could Freely Roam, and weren't being Forced from A to B, like a "corridor hell".

>>2008842
YOU JUMP LIKE YOU'RE ON A THE FUCKING MOON AND THERE'S REGEN. Get the fuck out with this shit. The game is fucking trash and always has been except for retard fanboys like you that push the deeeeeep story of "gatta protect the world while I fap to Cortana or w/e that starwars rippoff shits name was".

As someone who focuses collecting mostly PS2 games I gotta say no. Cause then we'll have to accept PS3 discussion here.
>>>/v/

>>2008846
You never got all 101 powercells, did you?

>>2008851

You kind of are on another planet

>>2008853
Why would we do that?

>>2008007
>Xbox 2001: A Microshill Odyssey

>>2008856
No. And this is exactly why 6th gen shouldn't be allowed. For someone reason when 6th gen hit it suddenly became acceptable to throw trash physics into a game. Hell more than acceptable it became the standard.

You haven't defended it at all either. Just name call and say bs like "well this shit game from 5th was worse so 6th is good guys. really!".

>>2008853

Why would we talk about a system that doesn't even have games?

>>2008862
>You're on a different planet
>Gravity should remain the same.

>>2008862
>>2008865

>Don't worry the game's meant to be shit

>>2008862

Every gen has bad games. Nobody bothers to play them so only the number and quality of good games matter.

>>2008865
>go on spaceship in space
>physics remain the same
Ya no. It's trash.

Off topic shitposting thread?
What's the video game equivalent of drone metal?

>>2008871
>being this autistic

>>2007990
Nope. I love my 6th gen games to death, but they aren't retro. Allowing them would bring in the Halofags, CoDfags, etc. I don't want that shit on my /vr/. I've been here since the beginning, and I'd hate to see that happen to my favorite board. Maybe it'll be viable in 2020 or some shit, after those kids have a chance to grow up.

Polite sage because this thread doesn't even belong here.

>>2008878
Damn you really showed me. That really explains the gravity in that game.

>>2008873
>Discussing the requirements for a console to become "retro" on /vr/, and eligibility of consoles to join the ranks of retro.
>Off topic

>>2008881

artificial gravity

>>2008882
The original idea was on topic, crying about Halo is not.

>>2008851
Your hipster levels are off the charts. I don't even like Halo much(in fact i never even finished the original), and i never mentioned its story.

>>2008862
I'm the guy that wrote:
>>2008739
>>2008781
>>2008808
>>2008828
>>2008842
...and i agree that 6th gen does not belong here. Not because its "bad", because its one of the best generations ever, but because its not "retro" yet.

>>2008884
They control the gravity? Why not just you know kill all the aliens with that kind of power instead making for shit game physics? Oh right fanboys need there spacemarine/rambo ripoff.

For me, it's Halo that represents the start of the fall of modern gaming. It was supposed to be an average PC FPS that MS snatched up and ruined. This, of course, led to CoD/GoW/BF/etc which created the garbage bro-gamer archetype that we so scorn here. That's why XBox shouldn't ... ever be allowed, honestly.

The Dreamcast's library simply did not contribute to this. Rainbow Six, Quake III, Unreal Tournament... all great shooters done differently. Even Rainbow Six had practically no hand-holding compared to modern shit.

Many of the games in the DC library were made before the DC was even released. Countless arcade/neo-geo ports. I've been able to play every DC game I've tried on emulator with a SNES controller just fine.

I think the solution is if the 3 consoles are popular enough, they should always have threads in /vg/. Sure, I'd love to discuss Super Meat Boy here, since it's in the spirit of classic platforming... but even I have to say nope.

>>2008890

http://youtu.be/P-crCgDbf6Y?t=10s

>>2008887
And luckily your kind is still the minority here. So take the 6th gen shit and leave.

If the mid 2000s PC games want to stay they can.

>>2008881
>>2008890
>sperging this much
I'm glad you can't enjoy a good game because of a mundane detail.

>>2007990
The PS2 still had new games coming out for it this year.
It's nowhere near being retro yet.

>>2008891
Halo's success was 80% because of the ads and 20% because people wanted what their friends had. I mean, the ads were pretty awesome to be honest. They made one want to be part of the action.

>>2008895
>I'm glad you can't enjoy a good game because of a mundane detail.
>mundane detail.
It's funny how I just said a few posts back
>No. And this is exactly why 6th gen shouldn't be allowed. For someone reason when 6th gen hit it suddenly became acceptable to throw trash physics into a game

6th gen supporters in a nutshell folks.

>>2008901

>This year.
Fifa 14 was last year. Don't you know how these sports games work?
>People still make Windows programs. Windows 95 isn't retro

>>2008894
My kind? Leave? Where?

>If the mid 2000s PC games want to stay they can.
How does that make any sense to you?

>>2008906
I'm not that anon, but good luck getting most of those modern Windows programs to run on 95.

>>2008904
Ah, so you're just shitposting then. Gotcha.

>>2008907
PC gaming is basically dead now for stuff like fps and the mid 2000s was the last of the good. Much like 5th gen consoles.

>>2008902
Yep. MS made sure it was well-advertised. I had some friends that were really into it, but after a few hours of multi-player, I just didn't see anything special or new about it. QIIIA and UT for DC were a blast, online or offline.

Oh, and regenning health/shields 'started' with Halo too, can't forgive that shit.

>>2008913
You're just proving my point that you don't care about the physics in a fps.

>>2008918
Sure, in games like Half-Life 2 where physics are an integral part of the game.

>>2008052
:D

>>2008923
How is movement not integral to the game? I mean I know you spend most your time sitting behind a rock in Halo. Just waiting for you shield to fill back up.

I think that "retro" is TOO inclusive…
should be defined by
>25 years since release

>>2008915
>Much like 5th gen consoles.
So 5th gen was the last console gen that had "good" games?

>>2008935

welcome to /vr/

>>2008935
Died with Rare.

>>2008423
The Xbox and GameCube both held their own and carved out their own niche in the market. The Dreamcast was discontinued after 2 years, before the generation even got going.

>>2008938
>>2008939
You should play more games that were released after 5th gen.

>>2008927
I don't see much wrong with the movement. Movement could have been faster. The full run speed feels like a light jog. Jumping is floaty and there's no control of it in mid air, but I'm just glad there are no platforming segments.

>>2008742
>what is SAMP

>>2008135


nb for not adding to discussion

>>2008845
In Sonic Shuffle you got numbered cards that you could use to move through the board. You could also pick you opponents cards. When playing with friends everyone would have their hand on their VMU. I had never played Mario Party by that time. When I played it time after I couldn't believe how unfair the dice rolls were sometimes and how much vastly superior the card system with the VMU was. I think you also had this on Madden, but I have never played it. As you said it could have been used more often but take into account that the console didn't live too long and most games wouldn't need a feature like that. Still it's really nice to have the option and I don't understand why it hasn't been done again. Maybe today if a game needs it can do it via a smartphone app. Also, you could download mini games to play with the stand alone VMU, but I am not boasting that since the small storage space and the terrible battery life made the feature a thing you just checked once.

About the VGA I have seen the port in every HDTV I have come across and I didn't really see (or maybe noticed) the component input until the 360. Maybe in Europe the component is less common. Also every projector has VGA. I remember taking the DC with the arcade sticks to the youth centre in my town to play Street Fighter 3 and SNK vs Capcom on their projector and sound system.

When you say about importing do you mean from PAL territories? I know japanese discs don't work on an unmodded DC.

Eventually the rest of the 6th gen consoles would do stuff that the DC did the DC was centered on the "advanced" stuff since day one (most games would go online somehow and most of them would output VGA, for example). Comment too long...

>>2008967
>Continuation
The Xbox offered something alike but it was 3 full years after the DC. But the Xbox was no DC: it was a gimped PC trying to be a console, in a time when the arcades had already got behind, and was backed by a corporate software company instead of a videogame company. Close, but no cigar. It was not a bad console at all, but it wasn't as ahead of its time as the Dreamcast was.

>>2008970
The good thing is the Xbox picked up where the DC left off because it got lots of good exclusives from Sega.

>>2008967

I have an EDTV CRT which has component and no VGA.
SDTVs tend not to have Component thanks to SCART.
I've not seen a HDTV without both, by the way. But I think in that transitional period where we were moving to 480p, 720p and so on, Component was more common for TVs. I think dedicated DVD players in particular weren't permitted to output RGB so they had to use Component.

I mean NTSC games to PAL systems. I have swap discs and such but if I try to force NTSC video mode, half of the image falls off the bottom of the screen.

>>2008972
At some point the Xbox was going to be compatible with Dreamcast hardware. It got some games that were in development for the Dreamcast in its first years but then that's all.

What I mean with the Dreamcast trascending is that it got the perfect mix of PC and arcade for a console while still being a console. What the Xbox got from PC was mostly the FPS genere which in my opinion never fit consoles very good. Xbox did nice things tho, like the ability to rip music from CDs and use it as background music for your games. That felt "Dreamcasty" to me.

>>2008974
As I said maybe I didn't notice the component inputs around me, VGA was more common in my head. I have never tried to load an NTSC game on a PAL machine with the swap disc but that is kind of a hack and I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't work well.

>>2009003

Yeah. PAL60 in PAL region games works fine for me, so that's cool.

>>2008281
Yes really.

>>2007990

Well, I dunno. I considered pre-1999 games retro in 2009, but games from 2004 don't really feel "retro." I guess it has to do with being behind technological leaps and bounds. The difference between a PS1 and a PS2 isn't that great in essence, but the difference between an NES and an N64 is huge. Maybe once we've moved on enough that PS2s and GameCubes feel as old as PS1s and N64s, then they can be retro.

Alternatively, 15 to 20 years is a good numerical metric to go by.

>>2008504
Tekken 5 was an almost end-of-life title (not counting the slow trickle of FIFA games they put out for poor BRs).

I think this board should have been called "Older Games" and the criteria for whether or not it qualifies as board material should have been "produced 15 or more years ago."

There'd have been no need for threads like this, and there'd have been no fussing about whether or not a game qualifies as "retro" or "classic."

>>2009238
Just video games or any game as long as it's 15 or more years old?

>tfw you actually see some assburger crying "MODS MODS MODS" when someone accidentally mentions PS2

>>2009296
Well thats to be expected. These people actually collect old shitty nes games and pay hundreds for them when they can just emulate it and get the exact same experience.

>>2009305
Good trole, but you are right in that I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that the "tattle tale" kids ended up talking vidya on a Chinese cartoon website

>>2009207
What if this is the plateau of gaming though? We reached 3D models and not entirely awful graphics. Does this mean, however many years down the line, Current-Gen and Just-Been-Gen will be modern, everything before 2000 is retro, and everything in between is just... there.

>>2009305
They have that thing typical dragons have.
"Gib shiny shiny!"
"What will you do with it?"
"IRRELEVANT!"

>discontinued platforms
No because then we'd have fucking Wii and PSP threads.

Consoles discontinued for longer than 12 years.
That is the rule.

no because the type of faggots that want to discuss 6th gen crap are the exact type of fags to be circle jerking horrible abominations like Ico or god of war

>>2009412
>faggots
>fags
>circle jerking

Your latent homosexuality is showing

>>2009412
You're right about God of War at least.

>>2009416
Some junior high tier fallacy behind that reasoning there. Don't be butthurt Ico fan, that game fucking blows. It's a prime example of what is wrong with gaming too, when boring bullshit and MUH ATMOSPHERE become the main feature not the game itself, it is probably shit.

>>2009426
You speak as though your opinion isn't shitty

>>2009261
I'd say just video games. There's /tg/, and it generally has a slow enough pace that any particular item wont get instantly pushed off the board if it isn't brand new.

>>2009412
>>2009423

I like God if War...

what's wrong with it?

>>2009412
>>2009423
I like God of War...

what's wrong with it?

>>2009412
well, if it's about the quality of games being discussed, could people at least talk about Ninja Gaiden Black? That's a serious GoAT candidate, imo

>>2007998
IIRC /vr/ was made in April 2013
so a year and a half

The problem with including 6th gen is that only the really early stuff can be considered retro by some stretch of the imagination. If the mods just one day said "6th gen is allowed now" then we'd be able to discuss things like Zelda: Twilight Princess and Persona 4.
and those aren't retro.

The rules have always been bent to an extent. Thief 2 was released in March 2000 but we discuss it in the Thief threads.

Sixth gen is really stretching it though.

>>2009457
You're off a month, but close enough anyway. March 18, 2013

>>2009426
>>2009412

/vr/ is kill
Goodbye, I liked very few of you

>>2007990
Not going to happen for a while. Just think of all the shit flinging between fanbases (e.g., classic Doomfags and Doom 3 fags). It'll turn into /v/ very quickly.

>>2008901
By that logic, neither the Genesis, NES, Atari 2600, or Dreamcast are retro.

>>2007990
The golden age of arcade has a firm end, and I think there's a cohort of people who feel that only 8 and 16 bit systems constitute what they call "retro." There should obviously be a different term to describe it, so that retro can be used as a relative term.

>>2008615
>GBA ..... the library was pretty solid.

No. I downloaded VBA-M, and a collection of the "Top 50 GBA games", and the majority of them were SNES ports, and NES remakes, and both were inferior versions. The SNES ports looked and played like shit, and the NES remakes were broken versions of the originals. It was a massive waste of a few megabytes.

4chan ate my post, just testing.

I use my ps2 to play "retro" ps1 games. Where is your god now hahaha

>>2009552
That could be more a problem for whoever compiled the list, not the catalogue itself

>>2009448
quick time events.

>>2009554
bean boy haha

>>2009554
lots of us use PC's to emulate. go back to /v/ and troll more

>>2009478
/vr/ is kill because someone doesn't like some shitty nonretro game?

>>2009436
nah he is right, Ico is shitty style over substance game, the type of crap that 6th gen supporters want to plague us with. Seriously if you want to discuss PS2 shit that bad you don't even belong here.

>>2009557
It was the top 50 downloaded GBA games list off Cool Rom, I figured popularity would equal fun. I figured "Hey, these are the post popular games, they have to be decent, right?"

Unless you really feel the need to play yet another Harvest Moon, Pokemon, or one of the SotN clones, there is nothing worthwhile on the GBA.

>>2009581
this, man you fucking nailed it too. I am too sick of delusional people nostalgia fagging too hard and hyping it to shit. Like GBA did have some decent shit like golden sun, and good RPGs as far as everything else went though it was ports or shovelware crap like spongebob licenses and just shitty fucking junk from that time period.

>>2009416
Goddamnit man. I have never seen a response like this in a while but I think you've just unearthed the inherent gay-ness of the common 4chan terminology.

i have a dreamcast and think its cool but its starting to become some sort of reddit console. its hard to explain but thats how i feel

Fuck this shit thread. Check my 8 tho

>>2009616
More like reddit is becoming a dreamcast website.

Why is this thread still alive?

>>2009626
I ask myself that every night before nutting in a black girl's mouth.

>>2008906
>Windows 95 isn't retro
You mean NT3.11/3.51/4.0, DOS-in-drag is a different OS with a different kernel, you brandname-felating twit!

>>2008052
Stop being a pathetic neckbeard, you know he was referring to the PS1, aka PSX.

>>2007990

No. Gen 6 and current gen are essentially the same in terms of mechanics and design. Nothing major has changed for a decade.

There is a pretty wide gulf between Gen 5 gameplay and Gen 6 gameplay, which makes that the cut-off.

>>2009626
Because this thread was made by a mod.

But why /vr/ mod? Why do you feel the need to do this? At one point you were the best on 4chan...

>>2009730
O-okay, Guru Larry.

What the hell, this thread is pretty stupid, and some of you delude yourself into pretending you're better then /v/. Anyone with a bit of logic knows that the 6th gen will become retro, but now is not the time. I'll consider the generation retro by 2017. Its subjective to say that, but I base that on my experiences. Back in 2006, I remembered that the Playstation, Saturn, N64 weren't really seen as retro. They were considered old, but not really retro. Kind of like the 6th generation is now. The PS2/Xbox/GC may be 13 years old now, but their lifespan lasted until 2006 to 2008. Besides by 2017, there'll be people posting on this site whose first experiences with video games were those consoles. I guess people find it hard to accept them as retro because it doesn't feel like a lot of time has passed. After all, we started 2000 with the release of the PS2, and we ended it with the PS3/Xbox360 going strong. With the 90s, we started with the final year of the NES, the SNES being released, and ended it with the Dreamcast. . Eventually, after a few year passes, /vr/ will have to deal with this year.

>>2009751
>There is a pretty wide gulf between Gen 5 gameplay and Gen 6 gameplay

About as much as there is between Gen 3 (which really started the 2D styled games) and Gen 4 (which perfected 2D style games).

Gen 5 started 3D games, Gen 6 perfected it.

>>2009783
nah it was built and perfected in gen 5 and has only regressed since. Graphics have improved while everything else is in decline.

I agree that 6th gen shouldn't be allowed here, but holy crap, the amount of autism in this thread is amazing.

I thought /vr/ was better than /v/?

>>2008052
I got your back. I wouldn't post because of whining man children that always take it up their cooters when mentioning this.

>>2009789
>it was built and perfected in gen 5
Depends on the genre/series. As far as genres go, stealth, racing and FPS games were perfected. As far as series go, MGS2 and 3 are improved/evolved from MGS1, but Mario (Sunshine) and Crash Bandicoot games got worse from their 5th gen predecessors.

>>2009789
>it was built and perfected in gen 5
Depends on the genre/series. As far as genres go, stealth, racing and FPS games were perfected in 6th gen. As far as series go, MGS2 and 3 are improved/evolved from MGS1, but Mario (Sunshine) and Crash Bandicoot games got worse from their 5th gen predecessors.

>>2009826
What? FPS was perfected in the 5th, imo. What 6th gen FPS do you think are the peak of the genre. This is a good discussion, the only one I can think of was Return to Castle Wolfenstein which quake 3 engine and pretty much 5th gen anyway.

>>2009842
In terms of multiplayer, there's UT2K4 and BF1942 and BF2. Singleplayer, there's of course HL2 and FEAR. Halo and Timesplitters 2/3 I thought were amazing in both singleplayer and multiplayer. I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy Red Faction and Serious Sam, so there's those games as well. Riddick I was very impressed by, even if it's not a typical FPS game. Going farther back there's Deus Ex and NOLF, but I don't know if those are considered 5th or 6th.

>>2007990
>shouldn't we be accepting discontinued consoles?
Why would we want to talk about fails while not talking about their successful contemporaries? If we did that we might be talking about the Wii-U in a couple years.

>>2009730

>PS1
It's just PS.

>PSX
Something different entirely.

>>2009319

I dunno. I'd say nothing after 2004 is far enough from current tech to call it retro, nor do I think we WILL get far enough away from such tech that it will be strikingly different. I mean, it's the law of diminishing returns. The necessary difference for said difference to be discernable keeps getting larger because no matter how much we "improve" graphics and tech, we're not improving it at such a rate that it feels like yearly innovation. The jump from 2D to 2.5D was massive, and the jump from 2.5D to 3D was also huge. The jump from Quake to Half-Life 2 is large, but not as big. The jump from Half-Life 2 to now is not very different at all, and that was 10 years ago.

Meh, I can wait to discuss PS2 games 'til I have a PC powerful enough to emulate them

>>2009978
and by then, we'll be able to discuss them here!

(I'm in the same boat. I'm typing on a four-year-old laptop that couldn't load the loading screen for Shadow of the Colossus

>>2007990
I have to agree. Back in the PS1 days the NES and even SNES and Genesis were considered "classic" or "retro", even though there had been games released on all 3 platforms less than 6 years previously to that point in time. Some less.

These days, the PS2, Gamecube, Dreamcast and Xbox, witch is 2 generations removed from our current position, are all considered "modern" for no apparent reason.

I mean, I can see it to a degree, but you have to admit that there were tons of genres on those 4 platforms that simply don't exist anymore (or are mostly ignored now) and lots of series that are long dead as well. They aren't things that modern gamers regularly talk about (unless they're talking about their childhoods) and honestly, you can't walk into any store in America and buy a brand new PS2 anymore.

They're maybe not "retro" as such, but they're dead platforms and classics by any industry standards at this point. And honestly the only reasons to not include the in this board are:

>/vr/ users are worried that that gen of consoles will bring /v/ shitposters with them.
As if that hasn't already happened, since /v/ began driving regular users away due to how shitty it is and /vr/ is the ONLY refuge from it
>/vr/ user being butthurt about strict 2D or early 3D stuff ONLY, not wanting anything they consider" new" to be on here
Witch is understandable to a point, but it's silly, honestly. PS2, Xbox, Dreamcast and Gamecube games are old, out dated and often overlooked by younger people. They're in the same boat as NEs, SNES, PS1, N64 and ect games, honestly.

I don't know, maybe there should be 3 videogame boards. 1 for retro 2D, one for early 3D and one for modern games.

So your Saturn, PS1, N64, Dreamcast, Xbox, PS2 and Gamecube discussions would go on one board, while the /vr/ troopers could have their dream board and /v/ could stay a shit stain.

I have to admit that would be nice, but would anyone support it? And would Moot ever go for it?

>>2010059

>For no apparent reason.
I'd say game design has stagnated since the 6th gen but that's just me.

>>2008052
You know this site is 18+, right?

>>2010003
SoC plays pretty shittily when emulating anyways, HD Collection is the best way to play it.

Was Snes considered retro when the PS2 came out?

>>2010096
we didnt even use the word retro then

Fun fact: The 6th gen is closer to the 80s than it is to now.

>>2010114
to be honest, i think its a pretty dumb word to use now
it just seems silly

>>2008190
>PS2/XBOX/GC design philosophies
>Implying there was DLC, pre-orders, achievements, microtransactions or even online play in the case of the Gamecube

We should be able to talk about arcade games regardless of year released due to how little they've changed since the 90's

>>2008418
We've been able to maintain a high quality because we're so slow.

>>2008409
>The 6th gen was entirely just Halo

>>2008423
I agree with this entirely, we should judge what's /vr/ based on discontinuation dates

>>2009626
I ask again, why is this thread still alive?

>>2008542
>Nintendo
>Sony
>Not still in the market

>>2008590
>Lets wait until the gamecube is almost 20 years old to talk about it
That is really, really stupid. The arbitrary extreme limitations you're all putting on the 6th gen feels to me just like you can't accept it was already a decade ago except for the PS2. I mean we're already getting gamecube emulation on phones for fucks sake

>>2008613
>It was also the last console to have an arcade equivalent hardware. It is dated and historical.
>Ignoring the Triforce, System 246/256 and Chihiro
>Implying even the PS3 isn't used for arcade hardware

I think we should wait 15 years, and it should be about games, not consoles.
By that I mean, this year 2014, we can discuss all games released in 1999 or before, next year, all games released in 2000 or before etc.

>>2008739
The 6th gen to me was when developers were finally lifted of the limitations of the 5th gen, it feels like a better 5th gen

>>2008851
>complaining about the high jumping as if it's a legitimate complaint to why a game is inferior to Bubsy 3D
Is this really happening?

>>2007990
I wish the boards worked like this.

/v/ Current Gen only

/vr/ old stuff but not shitty like current /v/ and good like current /vr/

Ir emember Gamecube more than SNES so I love /vr/ but I can only really lurk.

I think we should be able to discuss 6th gen consoles. Lord knows there's a ton of classics that get ignored on /v/.

>>2010217
Wait maybe current gen and the last gen...everything before wii...

>>2008851
God damn you are mad. I don't think Halo's great either, but chill the fuck out.

>>2008891
>This, of course, led to CoD/GoW/BF/etc which created the garbage bro-gamer archetype that we so scorn here. That's why XBox shouldn't ... ever be allowed, honestly.
Are we just going to pretend this didn't actually start with the PSX?

>>2010217
Why not make another board between /vr/ and /v/?
I think a big problem stems from how large the gap is.

>>2010229
>PSX
Be careful with that. Some faggot's gonna throw a bitch fit since that's also the name of that PS2/DVR combo.

No matter how much time passes, post gen-6 games will NEVER be retro. Or at least they SHOULD never be considered retro, in my opinion.

Similar to how a movie made in the 80s isn't considered classical era cinema, even though the classic era (20s-60s) was closer to the 80s than the 80s are to 2014.

Big changes to the way games are designed and presented took place in gen 6. It doesn't matter how old they get, because the aesthetics, design philosophy and style are fundamentally different from the retro era of games.

>>2009368
I am reminding you of this.
Gamecube will be OK here in 2019,
Xbox in 2020,
Playstation 2 in 2025.

See you then guys.
Now, sage

>>2009616
>but its starting to become some sort of reddit console
I know exactly what you mean, dreamcastfags are like super annoying about their shitty little poorly assembled crap

>>2010251
Get lost faggott

Naomi board in the home a thing of beauty

>>2010283
>Naomi board in the home a thing of beauty
I agree entirely, however the dreamcast isn't a NAOMI board and is in fact a piece of garbage

>>2009860
none of those really added anything new to the genre though they were good games built on 5th gen concepts.

>>2009978
>>2010003
There's a reason atom netbooks were cheap.

>>2010238
What's so hard about calling it a PS1?

>>2010172
Because other people seem to have an interest in the discussion, despite you not.

>>2010148
>Implying anyone used the online play on the PS2.
There were what, 3 games with the capability?

>>2010085
Four word mate.
Jurassic Park : Operation Genesis.

That was heartbreaking.

>>2009978
>He doesn't have Dark Cloud on his PC.

That's a shame.

>>2010286
fuck off back to /v/ you shitstain

>>2010148
The gamecube had phantasy star online (and you could play it online!)

>>2010508
>3 games
Closer the 300 and you can still play a lot of them online today.

>>2008780
For someone who claims he's so mature you really need to learn how to make an eloquent post.

>>2008780
Aw diddums, you don't like ICO. Maybe some people do, who gives a fuck about you and your personal preference?

The point is, are the games eligible to be here, not do you want them here.

>>2010308
Halo, HL2, and BF didn't add anything new? You obviously don't know what you're talking about.

>>2009860
>>2010308
>>2010675
-Halo
Moon jump trash
-HL2
More for story and it's easy and accessible modding. Helped that is well made also.
-BF
Which one? 1942 was good but BF2 is by far the best.

>>2010675
Well halo sure didn't. Dual analogs? Nope those were in timesplitters a year before, faceball 2000 had regenerating health.

Halo is a bunch of fps tropes mashed up and the only reason it took off was because at the time it was the only worthwhile game to own on the xbox. It was also really halo 2 adding in the online that started the huge phenomena.

>>2010502

Being unambiguous by not talking like it's still the 90s triggers them.

>>2008965
>what is SAMP
He said _new_ content. There is almost never new content with SAMP, unless you think the addition of another Russian RP server is something to brag about.

>>2009808
>I wouldn't post because of whining man children that always take it up their cooters when mentioning this.
Someone will always get upset about something. Don't let that stop you from acting like a whining man child every time you see someone use PSX in relation to the Playstation, you're entitled to do so.

>>2010618
when the hell did 4chan get so normalfag?

>>2010243
Gonna have to agree with this. Really, once Sony mainstreamed gaming, it was only a matter of time. The Playstation has some swan songs from retro developers (like Compile's Zanac Neo) but overall it was the beginning of the end.

Look, another person upset that they can't talk about whatever PS2 game on /v/ so they come to /vr/ and expect the board to change for them.

Fuck off.

>>2010716
It's only going to get worse. Enjoy /vr/ while you can.

what i dont like is that is allowed to talk about the psp, smartphones and emulation, but GBA games that have original Ports arent allowed, is it the sistem or the games?
I think people are taking the rules too seriously and just use them as an excuse to be asshole.

>>2010724
I feel 50/50 about emulation. Overall I think it should be allowed.
The problem with modern ports and remakes is they hardly ever retain the main game. While emulation may not be 100% accurate and there are plenty of terrible filters out there, there's still a push for accuracy with emulation.

>>2010724
m8 what the fuck are you on about?
ports and remakes of retro games ARE allowed.

>>2010735
I think he's talking about how specifically the gba ports get shit on because they change a lot from the original game. Like the lttp gba.

>>2010243
>classical era cinema
This board is not about the classics though, it's about retro. There's a difference, more people now than ever look back with renewed interest and nostalgia towards 80s cinema and incorporate aspects of it into their fashion, music and even film making. If the "retro" on this board would refer to the classic era of computer games the way we think about classic cinema, the cut off point would be the North American video game crash of 1983 and the arrival of the famicom.

I'm all for sixth generation discussion post-Dreamcast.... in about 6 years when the PS2 is 20 years old. In the mean time, /v/ (mostly) and /vg/ perfectly function for that type of discussion.

>>2010737
so what then? gba ports of snes games are inferior. that doesn't mean we can't talk about them.

swear to god, whining over nothing

>>2010724
PSP and Phones generally aren't allowed. Report them and they should get removed.

>>2010741
Calm down man. Not everything is an absolute.

>>2010716
>Expect the board to change
No, we want specific criteria established on what it takes for something to be allowed.

>>2010713
Welcome to /vr/.
/b/ still exists, if you'd rather shitpost all over them.

>>2010740
I wouldn't say the cutoff date for classical era games is the '83 crash. In fact I'd say anything before that doesn't even qualify.
I'd equate the first generation of games to shit like The Horse in Motion and Arrival of a Train. And maybe the second generation to something like A Trip to the Moon.
There's value to them, but they are very archaic and predate what we consider to be the classic era.

But you're right about retro not being the same as classical. Still, referring to gen6+ as retro just doesn't feel right to me. Perhaps a new classification needs to be invented for the types of games we enjoy talking about here. Golden age games? Classical games? I don't know.
All I know is that If we ever get to the point that ps2 and xbox games are truly old enough to be considered retro, then I'd rather the board split off into two.
If you keep letting new stuff in eventually it will just be like we have two /v/'s, except in one you can only talk *slightly less* graphically intensive hyper realistic HD cawadootys and assfaggots.

>>2010759
Like most on 4chan it depends on how moot feels like.

Why do I have the feeling mods/jans are actually discussing this in the back, so that may be the reason this shit thread is still alive?

>>2010760
just because something isn't eloquent doesn't mean it is shitposting. That is okay though common normalfag missconception. You can go back to reddit if you want to downboat opinions you don't like.

>>2010779
They created this thread to gauge interest. It's the only reason a meta thread(against global rules), and a non retro thread(Against board rules), is allowed to remain for nearly 2 days now.

Again, why mods?

>>2010763
>In fact I'd say anything before that doesn't even qualify.

A lot of kids that grew up in the early arcade scene would disagree with you. But most of us here are 80s-90s kids that haven't really explored that world beyond the most well known titles. And the medium of video games continues the trend of succeeding media evolving more quickly than those that preceded it. Our The Horse in Motion and Arrival of a Train was already done away with before the 70s with titles like Spacewar! and Tennis for Two, and in just about 40 years we've caught up with cinema, a 120 year old medium which wasn't slow to catch up with literature, a medium that's been evolving since the bronze age at the very least.

>>2008052
>>2008059

Daily reminder that everyone called it PSX even back in 1996. Makes no sense to call something PS1 when it was the only one existant.

>>2010812
>I bought the 32x just to play DOOM
Hahahaha
That whole page goes from cringe to laughter and back so many times.

>>2010812
What site is that?

>>2010817
Google Group's usenet archive.

>>2010502
I don't have a problem with either name. PS1 doesn't bother me. PSX doesn't bother me. Everyone knows what you mean when you use either name, so why does it start arguments?

>>2010841
Warms my heart looking back on them.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/Gunstar$20Heroes|sort:date/rec.games.video.sega/DjIZvLeOgIY/bRPZatep0T0J

This thread isn't about what is and isn't retro. It's about trying to justify keeping xbox, ps2 and other stuff certain anon don't like off this board.

>>2010923
The rules and purpose of this board don't pertain to specific likes or dislikes, they're there to keep discussion focused on what it was initially created for. Though I don't love the PS2 as a system, it housed many of my all time favorite games, and I'd be happy to discuss them with you. On /v/. But not here.

>>2010812
Daily reminder that NO ONE called it PSX even back in 1996. It was commonly referred to as the Playstation.
Now that the Playstation has had many subsequent models we refer to the original article as the playstation 1 or PS1 for short.

It works
It makes sense

>>2010812
maybe everyone was retarded where you lived, but nobody called it that where I lived

>>2010707
Anon probably meant MTA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Kj-50pj91w

>>2010937
What this anon said. It's not that I don't like the PS2 or the Gamecube. Hell, Eternal Darkness is without a doubt my favourite game ever! But if /vr/ is about consoles from before December 31st 1999, none of the consoles on the OP (sans the Dreamcast) fits that criteria.

>>2010948
I'm pretty sure I remember people calling it the PSX in magazines right around the time that tiny version of it was released.

>>2010948

It was referred to as PSX in Playstation magazines right from when it was releaed

>>2010948
It was a codename of sorts that was picked up by gaming magazines at the time and stuck. P.S.X. Magazine even borrowed the name. It was commonly called both PlayStation and PSX before the release of the PS2 and the real PSX.

Even then, the real PSX isn't retro, and is therefore not allowed to be talked about on this board. As such, when someone says PSX, they mean the PlayStation, not that flop of a DVR. There shouldn't even be an argument over this.

>>2011005
>There shouldn't even be an argument over this.

you're right, there shouldn't be. there is a device actually named the PSX, and the PS1 isn't it, regardless of what a few magazines and your friends called it back in the 90s

>>2011026
There wouldn't be if you didn't feel the need to start an argument about it when you know damn well what they mean.

>>2011028
maybe they should stop calling apples oranges then

>>2011032
Maybe you should accept that it was and still is commonly used vernacular.

>>2011038
no, it wasn't. just because some magazines and a group of your friends called it that doesn't mean everyone did. that's like saying it should be ok for people to call all flavors of soda "coke" because southerners do it

>>2011040
>t wasn't. just because some magazines

Major gaming publications of the time.

And yes, it's ok for southerners to do that, because there's a funny thing about language: it's defined through use.

>>2011026
Yes. There is a device named PSX. Just look at it's BIOS code. There's references to PSX and PS-X in it. Protip: That's the PlayStation BIOS.

It seems you missed this part. Let me post it again.
>Even then, the real PSX isn't retro, and is therefore not allowed to be talked about on this board.
When PSX is referenced on this board, it refers to the PlayStation/PS1/PSone. The PSX was released much later and is not retro, per the definition set by the sticky.

>>2011038
Basically this. Just because some kid grew up calling it a PS1 after the PS2 release doesn't mean that it wasn't called the PSX and still is.

>>2011040
I'm a southerner. I'm totally cool with someone calling all flavors coke.

>>2011046
That font is awful, anon.

>>2011043
>Major gaming publications of the time.

maybe you don't remember, but there was millions of gaming magazines back in the 90s. maybe three actually called it the PSX

and no, it's not ok. there's no excuse you can make that makes it ok to call one thing the name of something else. the PSX is it's own thing. it actually exists. maybe in the 90s it would be ok, but you need to let go

>>2011046
>There's references to PSX and PS-X in it. Protip: That's the PlayStation BIOS

because code names. should people on /v/ start calling the gamecube "dolphin"?

>>2011047
I assume you mean the editor itself and not my titlebars. If so, yeah. It is ugly. I only download the editor for that single use and didn't care to change the font.

>>2011052
The entire thing, I mean. I think it's the shadow.

>>2011048
None of that matters. Not retro. It's as if it doesn't exist here.

Faggot

>>2011051
If they want to, sure. I'd know what they mean.

>>2011048
>and no, it's not ok

Yes, it is. Language is defined by use. Deal with it.

The actual PSX is a basically unknown flop.

>>2011054
>None of that matters. Not retro. It's as if it doesn't exist here.

just because it's not allowed on this board doesn't mean it doesn't exist. you're the faggot here

Is it so hard to be unambiguous and say PS1/(Original) Playstation?

>>2011057
>Yes, it is. Language is defined by use. Deal with it.

so by your logic people in one region could decide "fuck calling them apples, they're oranges now", and it would be ok

Never thought I'd see a /v/-tier thread on /vr/. That's quite an accomplishment.

>>2011064
I know, right? I feel so bad for contributing to it.

>>2011062
>so by your logic people in one region could decide "fuck calling them apples, they're oranges now", and it would be ok

Yep. The language would sort itself out by necessity, as linguistic confusion lead to them coming up with another name for apples.

It happens to language all the time, English is a product of several such shifts.

>>2011068
>as linguistic confusion lead to them coming up with another name for apples.

which is why we have PS1, and PSone if you want to get specific

>>2011071
But those names came after the release of the PS2. What the hell did you call it before then? PS? No, you would have called it either PlayStation or PSX.

>>2011071
No, we have PS1 because it fits the naming scheme of the PS2. If you say PSX, the vast majority of people will experience no confusion as to what you meant, because the PSX is essentially unknown.