/vr/ - Retro Games

===NEWS===

Doom 2 was 20 years old last week. In celebration, some guy on Doomworld released a megawad: http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1309777 / http://www.kitana.org/arena/doom/doom20anniversary.html

Some dork's been working on a site for us to replace the old, shitty one! Will this one thrive or will it flop as well? http://万板.縮.jp/

Got an itch for realism? Shattered Tranquility is a super-early WIP aiming for slightly more realistic weapons and weapon behaviors. http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=46650

Here's a music stream that only plays Doom music, 24/7; feel free to listen if you're interested http://liquiddoom.net/

We've been featured on Doomworld! Well, sort of. /newstuff Chronicles gave 200 Minutes of /vr/ a pretty favorable review. http://doomworld.com/php/topstory.php?id=4198

"Ulti Doom" is yet another take on Doom 3 weapons/enemies in Doom, but Skornedemon's known to have made some pretty impressive stuff before. Will this succeed? http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=46675

One of our own has just replaced a beta of his megawad. Give it a shot and let him know what you think! http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=46676

GMOTA just updated to version 0.9.5. New features include golden boners, imp replacements, and new blood. Check it out below.

===POPULAR MODS===

/vr/:
200 Minutes of /vr/: http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=17781
GMOTA: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=742401
HDoom: http://hdoomguy.tumblr.com/
Metroid Dreadnought: http://zandronum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=4561
Cyberpunk Shootdown: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/48332341/cyberpunkshootdown-v4.2.pk3

Other:
Doom RPG: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=33292
DoomRL Arsenal: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=37044
Hideous Destructor: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=12973
Hocus Doom: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=45804

Got something news-worthy? Reply to this post, or it'll likely be missed.

What's the advantage of using chocolate doom over DOSbox?

>>1984748
Why have you stopped putting "doom" in the subject field?

>>1984761
Complete modern compatibility, without having to type in shit in a dos-prompt every time you want to play, Chocolate Doom runs Doom in Vanilla directly.

>>1984764
did it ever have "doom" in the subject field?

We're not skeletons yet.

>>1984775
>>1984764

The past month's thread titles in reverse order (source: first page of results returned from https://archive.moe/vr/search/text/doom+thread/type/op))

FACE YOUR FEARS
WHOOPS
YEP THAT SURE IS A WALL
[WITTY TITLE RELATED TO IMAGE]
YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A NAZI
SPOOKY SEXY SKELETONS
DOOM THREAD: MAXIMUM ULTIMATE AGITATION [BLACK EDITION] - BROUGHT TO YOU BY FATAL1TY
CAN YOU FEEL THE BURN
Those demon bastards are gonna pay for shooting up my bunny.
Knee Deep in the Dead
HOW HARDCORE ARE YOUR WARS
(no title)
We will fight over two modders getting along.
HOW TO MAKE A MASTERPIECE IN ONE SIMPLE RENDER
RETURN TO BACK TO SATURN X!
WANT ME TO SHOW YOU MY BOOMSTICK?
IT'S LIKE ONE OF MY JAPANESE WADS
RIP AND TEAR YOUR BUTTS
WAIT, I THOUGHT THIS GAME WAS A PLATFORMER
ON YER BIKE
Doom Thread: Krang edition
(no title)

Two explicitly say "DOOM THREAD", two others had no subject field so "DOOM THREAD" from the body would probably show through instead. That's two or four out of about 20.

I agree it would be nice if "DOOM THREAD" could appear consistently in the subject, but in practice it doesn't happen.

Just DL'd Blood1 off steam, holy fuck man......I want to play the game but DOSbox fucking sucks.

Doomers and Dukers are really spoiled with good source ports, I don't think I'll even play Blood again until that upcoming source port even comes out. No mouselook either.

>>1984784
>until that upcoming source port even comes out
I don't know what you are referring to, but it isn't a source port. Atari are being total cunts and have no intention of ever releasing Blood's source code.

I'm thinkan about making a Doom Alpha TC. All other attempts at doing it seem to be abandoned. Should I go for it?

>>1984787
Why?

>>1984784
There is mouse look, baka.
Purchase One Whole Unit BLOOD

>>1984790
One Unit Whole BLOOD*

>>1984789
>Asking someone why they want to make a TC
That's literally the dumbest question ever, because there's never a good reason beyond: "Because it sounds cool."

>>1984785
http://www.moddb.com/games/bloodcm

I know about Atari ey, why would they NOT release it? It's just taking up space and some people would even buy Blood if a source port came out.

>>1984790
>>1984796
How to enable it?
I can't even find a way in the options to turn off me moving when I move the mouse.

>>1984807
there's probably a reason why all previous attempts have failed. the last one was promising until iirc one cunt decided to try to monetize it and everyone else quit on him.

>>1984809
It's a button to enable it.
I think it's I, but look in the controls.

Has anyone ever tried remaking Doom 3 on the Doom 2 engine?

I think it'd be pretty neat.

>>1984809
Press "U" in game to enable mouselook.

If you ran setup.exe or read the instructions you'd know this. In setup.exe you can do anything you want, set WASD+Mouse if you want to, you can disable the mouse-moving, you can independantly set the X and Y axis sensitivity, etc

and if after all this you still think the mouselook sucks, you can install bMouse, it works perfectly for Blood and SW. After proper configuration it makes mouselook a bit better in Blood (the only real advantage is for dynamite throw though but that's already a good plus)

BTW there probably never will any Blood sourceport.

Also I recommend to switch from CD to Midi musics, it's a very easy task (just google it) and everyone will tell you it's much better.

>>1984835
I think once with the EDGE port.

>>1984837
>BTW there probably never will any Blood sourceport.
>>1984809
>I know about Atari ey, why would they NOT release it? It's just taking up space and some people would even buy Blood if a source port came out.

Do they have the code and are sitting on it, or has it been lost?

>>1984841
No clue, but I know that Warner Bros. own the intellectual property of Blood, for some reason.

>>1984841
>>1984809
BloodCM is not a sourceport, there can be no sourceport if there is no source. It's a recreation of the game in EDuke32 by some Russian team. Which means that any programming (coding) was redone from scratch, all the weapons and enemies behaviour are off, it's absolutely terrible. Same for eRampage.

and yes, they have the sourcecode, it's been confirmed. Jace Hall wanted to do something with it, the new 3DRealms wanted to do something with it, Devolver Digital wanted to do something with it, and iirc any company as well; Atari turned down everything or responded with an offer that they knew was unacceptable (apparently asking 1 million or more for the IP).

The only way we're ever getting the release of the sourcecode is when Atari goes down again (it's just a matter of 'when', not if, Atari always goes under) and someone else buys the IP in the process.
AFAIK getting a sourceport isn't by definition a good news; what Blood needs is the SOURCE released. If only one team is given the rights to make a sourceport chances are it's going to end up as bad as DN3D's Megaton or SW's Redux, with forced 32-bit visuals, in which case I'd stick to DOSbox as far as I'm concerned.

>>1984841
>>1984849
How do you LOOSE source code?

People even back up their porn ffs. You remember that Wanton Destruction Addon for SW?

That was almost lost entirely as well, it was found by chance on two unmarked discs. All of that stuff, nearly wasted entirely.

>>1984858
Speaking of SW and lost add-ons, we should be getting the 3rd lost add-on at some point, Deadly Kiss featuring Lo Wang's sister "No Wang". A team has got hold of it and has been putting it together and it's almost done; the problem is that it seems to have been in the "almost done" status for a year now.

>>1984783
I think it would be better to be listed as "Doom thread - randomly listed title or new thingy here"

>>1984782
they're among us though

>>1984961
i find it a great tragedy that i will never see my own skeleton, as it were, in the flesh. out of the flesh, in fact.

>>1984972
>Kevin Ware

>>1984853
on anything reasonably modern you have to emulate an 8bpp paletted surface anyway. you can either do this yourself by drawing palette indexed pixels to a byte buffer, then looking up each byte in a palette table when blitting to the screen, or you can let SDL or equivalent do it for you, but either way, the hardware almost certainly won't support paletted surfaces so something has to emulate them.

>>1984835
Legacy of Suffering was this in principle.

>>1984858
Back up everything you treasure.

Your game files.
Your pornography.
Your waifu folder.
Your music.

How do I make Blood's mouse stop being inverted? I've got Bmouse installed.

Even the readme of it says toggling the mouse inversion options in the setup does nothing.

>>1985002
Go to setup.exe. In advance mouse settings, set the Y axis to a negative value.

Wait, so I can't just grab Blood off some abandonware site and toss it into Dosbox?

What is all this nonsense about having to use setup-configuring a mouse, etc? Nigger I just want to play the game. I still play Dark Forces and Doom to this day and the lack of mouselook never bothered me.

>>1985020
You can just grab Blood off some abandonware site, it just has shitty mouse support. Which is why all us kiddies have to go download BMouse.

>>1985012
Thanks, the mouse is certainly uh........you have to focus when you use it.

Hey, same guy who's working on the Alpha TC. How's the Plasma Rifle replacement look? Excuse the shitty pickup model, It's just a placeholder.

>>1985002
You can toggle inversion in the in-game control menu.

>>1985086
I love the claw design, but the plasma shots look kinda bland. It could just be the screenshot though. Could you possibly post a picture of the sprites themselves?

>>1985086
Red claw looks alright, even if it's just a rip from Blood colored in photoshop.
Green flash looks like shit.

>>1985093
Here's all the sprites
>>1985108
The green flash isn't finished. It's still going to be colored more to look like what a Baron would actually shoot

>>1985118
Why does the second one look kinda blurry? Also, the green flash definitely needs more detail, yeah.

I know that what I am going to ask is kinda idiotic, but here it goes anyway.

How come no one "remade" Doom 1/2 in a new engine like CryEngine?

>>1985125
You mean Doom 3?

>>1985125
Shitload of work.
Posible legal issues.
GZDoom really does everything you'd want anyway.

>>1985124
In-game, It looks like the green lightning is starting to build up around the hand. Just looks a little blurry from a distance. I'd post a WebM if I could, but I'm doing this on my shitty laptop, and it can't handle any form of recording software.

>>1985125
They already remade the first episode of Doom 1 in Doom 3's engine, some 7 years ago as a matter of fact.

http://www.moddb.com/mods/classic-doom-3

There's supposed to be another Doom 1/2 remake in the works with Doom 3's engine and assets, but I forgot what it's called

>>1985052
I've seen a Blood download on some abandonware website but it's not as good as the gog version. It's an older version with only four episodes, as opposed to the five episodes given with gog version. gog version also gives you Cryptic Passage expansion. Also other differences with the version being earlier, more bugs, etc. There's more head bob or weapon bopping (can't remember which) which is annoying. Differences in weapon functions, too, like the Life Leach.

Just a head's up that the abandonware shit is an earlier version. Just go with gog/Steam, or get a torrent for those versions.

>>1985125
Already been done, sorta.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fywI2bK61E

>>1985146
http://www.glidos.net/blood.html?lang=en

The version here has Cryptic passage and the 5th episode

>>1984858
They didn't lose the source code. Jace Hall confirmed he had it like three years back. He even said he could release it if he wanted to, but he didn't. Somebody could have released it in the last 17 years but nobody did. They're all dicks.

>>1984809
>>1984837
This, def switch to midi music. Most of the CD music is terrible.

Also, if you want to set right click to alternate fire, you have to do that in setup.exe, it won't work in the in-game control menu. To do that with gog version, double click 'Launch Settings' and go to the mouse controls section and do it there.

>>1985140
Afaik, the team behind this aren't continuing past Ep 1 since distributing replicas of non-shareware maps for free is kind of on the bad side of copyright.

At least, this is what I heard from them. They might've gotten threatened by a C&D to stop there. And since Doom 2 didn't have shareware maps...

>>1984853
Yeah BloodCM is terrible.

>>1985153
>One Unit Whole Blood
yeah that's the same deal

What is Glidos? A reference to 3dfx glide? Does that run well? Will check it out when I get home.

So apparently the Xbox 360 port of Doom II was released with a bonus episode. Anyone tried it out? How is it?

>>1985167
Distributing it to those that have the game wouldn't solve this? as long as distributed for free that's it.
Or just actually send it over to the right holders and negotiate a bit maybe?

>>1985169
Crap, I can't imagine playing Doom with dual analog sticks, but the idea of a bonus episode is really intriguing.

>>1985125
>How come no one "remade" Doom 1/2 in a new engine like CryEngine?

Thousands of people try to "remake" Doom in a newer engine.
Very few of them succeed beyond a tech demo.

>>1985169
>>1985175

No Rest for the Living is really, really good. It's brutally difficult and with wonderful architecture.

>>1985175
>I can't imagine playing Doom with dual analog sticks
It actually works pretty well. Give it a go, breeze through E1, you'll get used to the controls.

That is, if you already have it or whatever.

>>1985193
I don't even have an Xbox 360.

>oh hey demonsteele got a release
>check it out
>oh god the most adorable tomboy voice
>hnnnggghhh
>stand still for a bit
>RAAAAR, PEW PEW, AAAHHHH
>HNNNGGGHHH
NONE OF YOU CAN HAVE HER
SHE'S MINE

>>1985168
IIRC the 3DFX version of Blood and SW have shitty bilinear filtering and no voxel support

>>1985196
You might be able to find the .wad online then or something.

>>1985175
I downloaded Blood Complete Edition (or something) from PSN.

Playing Doom with dual analogs is actually refreshing. The original games are way too easy for me with KBM on UV. Playing with dual analogs is like half way between keyboard only and KBM controls, so the handicap of non-perfect controls makes the game more challenging in a good way. You can't adjust the X-Axis sensitivity either, it's set in stone. It reminds me of when I was 10, playing through Doom for the first time keyboard only.

Also it's nice to chill back on the couch and play. And the force feedback rumble feels fucking good. Local coop is fun, too.

Solid ports.

>>1985204
Wow, that sounds amazing. Maybe I'll get it when PSTV comes out.

>>1985204
>Blood Complete Edition
*Oops.

That's supposed to be Doom Classic Complete

>>1985118
The new "Cell charge" Is a bleeding skull. The Cell Pack will be a pile of skulls. It'll still make sense, as the BFG will also be replaced with a demontech weapon.
Keep in mind that no texture is "finished" yet. I like to get the base for everything, then touch it up.

>>1985186
agreeing with this, the map design is truly excellent, i can't fault it at all.

i'm not sure i'd call it brutally difficult though, it's easier than plutonia for instance.

>>1985203
it should be in one of the pastebins, named NRFTL or NERVE.WAD. i know i got it from here a year or so ago.

Who actually makes the maps for those XBOX360 levelsets?

Especially if they're good, I wonder if it was somebody who has even a remote relation to the wider community.

>>1985216
http://doomwiki.org/wiki/No_Rest_for_the_Living

>No Rest for the Living is the title of the new Doom II expansion set developed by Nerve Software's Richard Heath and Russell Meakim for the release of Doom II on the XBLA. It is also available in Doom 3: BFG Edition.

>>1985206
Yeah, it feels great on a 50 inch HDTV. Really nice way of playing Doom. Plus they didn't meddle with the graphics, original pixelated look and all.

The only minor negative is the music. I don't know which version of the music tracks they're using but it's not one of the better ones, like fmod. Still it's not bad though but that aspect could have been better.

>>1985218
i don't know either of the names, if they're on doomworld they're incognito.

>>1985218
Can this be downloaded for PC?

>>1985232
Yes.

http://visionsofdoom.us/

OK, how many of you fuckers remember the Disney Atlantis movie?

Now, how many of you remember the games that tied into that movie?

Can anyone help me find those things? All I found was downloads of the demo for the first one.

>>1984749
>no donutsteel in the news

>>1985169
I think it's a fantastic wad actually... you can try it out with the pc and it works quite well with an once popular game play mod, whose name cannot be mentioned without causing a puerile shitstorm. ANyway highly recommended. Looks good and plays good

>>1985357
Are you talking about BRUTAL DOOM?

>>1985360
No, I am talking about project MSX

I'll be uploading the Underhalls Remix barebones demo later tonight. This is Stralya time and it's like, 5:30 am here so if anybody of you are interested in testing it I'd appreciate the feedback and you can keep an eye out for it.
Thanks.

I got the new Demonsteele, what does the Blind Guardian (invisibility replacement) do?

>>1985415
protects your posterior

>>1985374
great! i will try to test it tomorrow (9:10pm here)

>>1985421
Lol, thanks buddy.....just bear in mind it's pretty barebones at this stage, I'm adding the detail to some areas later after feedback from /vr/ so don't get your hopes up too high expecting a finished product.

>>1985374
That sounds interesting. Any plans for more bare-bone maps?

>Q - Where can I find the newest DOOM thread?
>A - It should be on the front page, or you can look here:
>http://boards.4chan.org/vr/catalog#s=Doom%20Thread

this hasn't worked for the past few threads, and i use this as a bookmark.

>>1985436
Oh no no no, it's "barebones" in the sense of "I'm working on layout first, details later" lest I make a layout that sucks and have wasted ages detailing it as well.

Alright, enough of this secret club nonsence. How the hell do you wield the dragonslayer blade on DoomRL?

>>1984809

That's not a source port. It's a fanmade imitation of the original. Can't support it since I can already guess it won't feel like the original game.

>>1985470
I tried it out with an open mind and it is indeed horrible.

>>1985438
my bookmark just says doom, without the %20thread part, it works well enough. but point taken. perhaps whoever makes the next thread can change the op to say "doom thread + other oldschool fps" or put "doom thread" in the subject as previously discussed.

>>1985201
Voice actress did a fucking fantastic job.
I hear there's also a "psshhh. nothing personnel, kid" line hidden in there that she adlibbed herself.

>>1984853
>chances are it's going to end up as bad as DN3D's Megaton or SW's Redux, with forced 32-bit visuals
what's so bad about 32bit?

http://strawpoll.me/2616582

>>1985501
If you ask me 2.5D FPS aren't meant to be played in 3D, in a 32bit true 3D renderer the sprites stick out and look like sheets of paper, especially when you look up/down.
Speaking of looking up/down, in 32bit you can look further up or down which in some situations mean being able to shoot enemies or see things you're not supposed to be able to.

To be honest it used to be much worse, some improvements were made to these renderers as far as Build games are concerned and now shadows and shading a lot more accurate (it used to be completely messed up); but I still don't like it.

http://zandronum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=5318

Zandro 1.3 is out.

inb4 the inevitable WOOOW IT'S STILL NOT 100% UP TO DATE WHAT THE FUCK

>>1985532
>- Added new dmflag sv_sharekeys. When enabled, any keys picked are shared between players. Also, players joining the game get the keys others have as well. [Dusk]
>- The ACS commands TakeInventory, SetActorProperty (only for speed and gravity) and SetAmmoCapacity don't cause network traffic unless they actually make a change to the affected actor. [Torr Samaho]
>- Added a client movement buffer. Instead of processing all movement commands of a client immediately, they are stored in this buffer now. Each tic per client up to two commands in this buffer are processed. This way, players with an instable connection shouldn't appear as teleporting instead of moving to players with a stable connection. Note: This only changes how a player perceives the movement of other players. It has not effect on how a player perceives his own movement. [Torr Samaho]
>- The mdk cheat command can now be used online in cheat servers. Unlike in ZDoom, it is also allowed in deathmatch modes. [Dusk]
OH GOD
OH MY GOD
BE STILL MY THROBBING BONER

>>1985510
oh when you say 32bit you actually mean fully 3d opengl hardware rendering.

doing 32bpp in software mode, where you're still drawing pixels to a framebuffer, but they're truecolor instead of indexes into a palette, can have great results if done carefully.

e.g. in doom it looks pretty much as you expect except the pink demons remain pink in low light conditions.

>>1985542
>deathmatch mdk
hahaha

>>1985542
that client movement buffer is straight out of odamex

>>1985532
>>1985542
This is most definitely my shit.

>>1985532

Nice.

Anyone know of a WAD that has more story and custom elements to it? Ex: More custom items, monsters, story, etc.

>>1985479
i've done the same in the past, but the problem with that is that every thread with the word doom comes up.
this agitates my autism

>>1985661
>brutaldoom fan tries to run demon steele with BD.jpg
sorry had to

Crap, I think I hurt my wrist.

>>1985705

I'm so sorry to hear, anon.

>back to saturn X
>tough skin river
>getting the red key

>>1985682
Why exactly does that happen?
Out of curiosity I tried to load Brutal Doom with Demon Steele. Needless to say, I was surprised.

>>1985885
iirc the story goes that someone got extremely angry on the forums that metrood and brutal doom didn't work together and that it would totally be just a little bit of work to get them fixed
so he harassed term to fix it for several days in a row
then he went in servers and pestered random people he could find to see if anyone would make a patch

>>1985908
>it would totally be just a little bit of work to get them fixed
That someone must be mentally retarded, that would be a shitload of work to integrate two gameplay mods into each other, especially given how large Brutal Doom has become in terms of code.

>>1984783
Nah, I like the current format.

>>1985461
>He hasn't figured it out!
>laughingsluts.jpg

I've never gotten far enough with a melee character to actually reach the Cathedral. I read somewhere that you have to drop everything else in your inventory, but obviously I have no idea whether that's the real secret or not.

>>1985885
>>1985908

Basically, yes.
I usually don't care much about Brutal shenanigans since getting worked up about a mod is kind of silly, but I figure if I intentionally break the two then that'll let people know right off the bat that the two weren't designed to work together and won't be compatible.
Several have gotten irrationally angry over this, which is an unexpected bonus.

>>1985921

Oh, very much so.
Actual quote:
>Say anything to the ordinary person, which dont know absolutely all about Doom and connected, rather than to explain why the problem is not a problem and for some reason, asked what is impossible. (find the reason why Metroid Dreadnought got problems with Brutal Doom)
>On the examples is clearer like this: The Ultimate Torment & Torque dont work with Brutal Doom even if try launch, because ignore him fully but runs the game without any errors. Thats all, I understand why dont fly and dont try do impossible thing.

I've been thinking. Wouldn't it be neat if Lord Blaz showed up in Demonsteele as a boss, and Hae-Lin in GMOTA?
Doubt it'll ever happen, but hey.

>>1986001
Not really no.

I don't think they'd fight each other for no reason, and fanon says they would be friends.

>>1986006
Maybe it'd just a friendly sparring match?

>>1986001
>>1986006
>>1986012

Are they even in the same universe?
Lord Blaz fights against Lucifeller's forces using medieval tech, and Hae-Lin fights against...well, whoever those guys are, they've got wizards and steel beasts and shit.

>>1986046
They are all fighting Doom demons in Doom levels so yes it's the same universe.

>>1986046
Hey, you could always use the Marvel vs Capcom thing. Just have a crossover with little explanation and have them douk it out.

>>1984783
>>1984764
I never really had a problem ctrl+f'ing the catalog for "doom." The body of the post almost always starts with "DOOM THREAD," so it's not like it would be much easier to miss for someone who isn't familiar with the local traditions.

>>1986006

Fanon? Term and I have talked about Hae Lin referring to Blaz as uncle

>>1986096
>Uncle
wat

>>1986104

As semi-sarcastic platonic sorta thing.

>>1986108
Oh. Well that's pretty cute.

>>1986086
bookmark this:

>>>/vr/doom

>>1986104
>fleshcoloredsockhands.png

>>1986123
Fuck you, now I can't unsee it.

Block and shield your butts!

>>1986142

>the sprite is centered now

Damn term that really did bother you didn't it

>>1986001
>>1986006
>>1986012

Hae-Lin doesn't really have that high an opinion of herself--she thinks of herself as just an ordinary farmer, not at all anyone special despite her power as the Angel of Death. So she'd probably be kind of gushing around Blaz, since he's an accomplished holy warrior who's strong and cool and she's so lucky to get to meet him.

'Course, both of them are pretty punch-happy, so who knows what'd happen?
No matter what, though, I'm pretty sure it'd end with them heading to the bar for a drink afterwards.

>>1986153

That wasn't me, but yes it bothered the shit out of me.

>>1986181
>Heading to a bar for a drink afterwards
>Not eating burgers with the president
One job.

>>1986202

They lack the prerequisite FREEDOM and American-ness to set foot with the president.
Sorry, mate. Obama's gonna have to eat by himself.

>>1986181

That's funny because Hae-Lin's sword and fighting style would impress the hell out of Blaz.

I love nerdy back story shit and fluff

>>1986214
They could eat with zombie Reagan.

>>1986220

>zombie Reagan
>not skeleton Washington and ghost Lincoln

>>1986220
>zombie Reagan

Sounds like something some would put on a Wolfenstein mod.
Fund it

>>1986224
They don't like burgers.
They like steak.

>>1986229

Bullshit they'd love hamburgers

>>1986229

Are you trying to tell me that our forefathers would not like the most American food there is?

>>1986238
The most American dishes are as follows.
Roast beef and mash
Apple pie and vanilla ice cream
Meat loaf
T-bone steaks
Milk shakes

I know it's old news by now, but I think the Doom 4 Announcement news just for easier access to the pastebin of the confirmed features to show to our friends/doom 4 nonbelievers. Or at least put the pastebin link on the OP from now on as a separate thing for the same reason. My two cents, tho.

>>1986284

*the Doom 4 Announcement news should stay on the OP for easier access

>>1985175
dunno about doom, but I did play the demo level for Marathon II's port to the 360...

old school shooters feel weird as fuck on sticks.

Right, so you know the numbers you get with ZDoom's default fullscreen HUD?

Could anyone tell me what the sprite names are for those numbers?

>>1984784
bmouse.exe

So was it a running joke in Team TNT to end their levels with a fake exit hiding a single revenant? Several levels in a row at the start of the game end like that.

>>1986238
Having lunch at the Wac

>>1986524
welp

>>1986484
Here's how I'd like to end a map: You throw the exit switch. The screen melts and takes you to the "MAP FINISHED" screen... The screen then shoots open upwards as a door would and a revenant starts beating the shit out of you - as you've never actually left the level.

>>1986563
genius

>>1986524
Oh man, that's great.

>>1986524

I wanna see a follow up where Blaz smashes the burger through the visor.

I gotta add a burger powerup...

>>1986484
i think you exaggerate a little
only maps 2 and 3, and they're hardly "fake exits"

>>1984748
Anyone got links to the Eric Harris DOOM levels?? Also is it true that he made a map of the columbine school?

>>1986762
>Anyone got links to the Eric Harris DOOM levels??
http://www.doomworld.com/10years/bestwads/infamous.php
>Also is it true that he made a map of the columbine school?
no it is not.

Hello everybody, my demo/alpha of Underhalls Remix is ready to try out for anybody that wants to help me sus out how it’s developing so far since this is the first map I’ve made.

Fair warning, this is only one half of the level and much of that half needs detailing so if you’re expecting a completed map with everything ready I’m afraid I can’t help you there. It ends shortly after you get the red keycard. What I am looking for here is feedback on the “flow” of it before I go about detailing rooms, like how do the fights play out? Although ideas on detailing are welcome too.

Here is the link

http://www.speedy_share.com/8ySus/Underhalls-Remix-demo.wad

>remove the _ between speedy and share as for some reason 4chan thinks the link is spam

In the next post I’ll outline my plans for the future development of the map in a screenshot of it and my thoughts on how existing things are and if and how they should be changed.
Feel free to comment here but if you think I might not see your comment as these threads are up for a long time my name on the Zdoom forums is “Cauldron” so you can send me a PM there, though even if this thread get’s archived I’ll come back and see what people said.

Thanks.

>>1986798
The image is a screenshot of the whole map in Doombuilder, spoilered so nobody gets my own preconceptions going in. I’ve placed letters over sections as I discuss them.

A: I’m quite happy with this area to be honest, it’s detailed enough and simple enough. Can’t think of much more to add here.

B: I’m looking at changing these corridors to the more unified ones seen above the map in the image. Thoughts?

C: I’m quite happy with this section but how do you think it would look if the stairs were going upwards when the player first went here? Worth the effort of changing it all about?

D: Not much to say here, this is much like the SSG area from Underhalls but I’ve made it a bit bigger, comments on style welcome.

E: This area is under construction, I don’t mind it’s “flow” the texture used to be the large brown bricks (as in the original Underhalls) but lining them all up with extra detailing was a pain in the butt but now I’m thinking the current look is “too much” without extra details in the room, thoughts on this welcome. I’m wanting to put some more detail on the outside of the building (like some water coming down it). Same for the L shaped grey area.

F: This place needs major work. I like the flow of the fight (go in, surrounded, big battle) but the detail in the room is nowhere near what I would like. I toyed around with it for a while but reverted back to the current bare bones look pending feedback. The water part at the back will be detailed out as well. Being limited to vanilla Doom’s abilities can be nice for encouraging innovation, but some things are totally off limits in it too.

G: I spent way too long working on this area and then after all that found I hated the look anyway, I had an idea for how I wanted the detail but found right near the end of it that vanilla Doom’s limits won’t let me. I’m wanting to change this area to three interconnected little islands with the teleporter in the middle.

Anyone know if a sourceport for CyClones exists? Really enjoying the game, but sometimes the mouse "sticks" when I play it in DOSBox and I have to repeatedly click to unstick it. Google is obviously of little help here.

>>1986798
http://temp-host.com/download.php?file=ru69qo

here is a first attempt demo. it doesn't exit. i reached the exit at around 4 minutes. i then spent 2 minutes trying to find 2 missed secret areas and the last 8 monsters before falling into a pit i couldn't get out of.

>>1986843
You fell into a pit? Where?
I'll have to fix that by final release.

I'll watch your demo file just as soon as I figure out how to run it.

>>1986847
>>1986843
Tried to get your demo running man, but it desynchs, I'm running it on Chocolate Doom.

>>1986847
here, once the bridge rises you can't get out of the gap between it and the wall behind

>>1986862
% prboom-plus Underhalls_Remix_demo.wad Underhalls_Remix_demo_fda.lmp

% chocolate-doom -file Underhalls_Remix_demo.wad -playdemo Underhalls_Remix_demo_fda.lmp

in chocolate doom i got a visplane overflow towards the end.

the waterfall bleeds into the floor here

>>1986875
this is fixable by changing the light level by ±1 on one side i think.

>>1986847
>>1986862
>>1986843
Nevermind, I figured out how to run your demo.
Just had to use a copy of Chocolate Doom I'd forgotten all about.

>>1986865
I will fix this, that is certainly a problem.

>>1986870
>>1986875
I was worried at those texture errors I saw, they never showed up in what I used to test so I thought I was thorough.

I'll use Chocolate Doom from now on.

>>1986862
it might look like it goes wrong at the start because i spin around a lot and then hump the wall for possible secrets

i assume you haven't modified your copy of the map at all since uploading it

>>1986879
>I'll use Chocolate Doom from now on.
if i were you i'd use prboom-plus -complevel 2 and forget about vanilla rendering limits.

you obviously like detail but you're going to get super frustrated by visplane limits if you carry on the way you're going.

>>1986882
No, not at all.
I first loaded your demo and saw you running around in circles in Entryway and knew something was up.

>>1986886
You're probably right, originally I wanted to use GZDoom features just for details (like being able to have a 3d waterfall) but reverted back to vanilla standards because I figured I'd learn best with some limitations I also didn't want to cut out guys who cant use OpenGL.

However I didn't expect weird texture errors and other crap, the first time I even saw those was in your demo.

Would PRBoom+ remove those texture errors we saw?

>>1986895
>Would PRBoom+ remove those texture errors we saw?
it would if you ran it in OpenGL mode. 2s middle texture bleeding is a quirk of the original software renderer (i hesitate to call it a bug).

>>1986904
>OpenGL mode

I have always used it myself but for the sake of exclusivity is there any way at all to have that waterfall in, just the way it is without using OpenGL?

>>1986909
change the light level of the sector immediately behind the waterfall to anything other than 192.

the floor in front of, and behind, the waterfall have identical properties (texture, height, light level) so the engine merges the planes together. if you change at least one of these properties it will split the visplane there, which then generates the clipping information for the texture that you want.

>>1986923
>change the light level of the sector immediately behind the waterfall to anything other than 192.
(that means sector 401 by the way)

>>1986923
I see, thanks for that. What about the texture error when you're going down to where the SSG is?

Any others after that?
Also, I'll get PrBoom+ and use that for testing this map now.

>>1986932
>What about the texture error when you're going down to where the SSG is?
you must mean this? i completely missed it at first. but it's the same problem, you need to force a visplane split. the most unnoticable way to do this is to adjust the light level on one side by ±1 as i said earlier.

>>1986224
I'd love to have a burger with Skeleton Washington and Ghost Lincoln.

While we're at it, we'll invite Poltergeist Jefferson, he was my favorite.

And you'd be damn sure of the fact that they'd eat burgers, it's a fat sandwich with a grilled cut of meat, there's nothing to not like.

>>1986939
I didn't see that one :\

But I meant the one near the door, you can see inside the room when you shouldn't be able to.

There are probably some we've both missed, or ones that will definitely come up as I make more of the level.

>tfw HDoom baroness is almost finished, release coming pretty damn soon

>>1986994
Have you seen the latest Imp-tan animation?
Doomguy has the biggest fucking dick, it's amazing!

I posted a message about nerve.wad (2008 official doom 2 addon for the xbox version) being really good and worked well with a notorious gameplay mod, but the mod deleted it for some reason. Anyway it's really good, Really interesting architecture wise and good playability, highly recommended

does anybody remembers if the original doom was supposed to be really hard? Now we all "grokked" fpseses and doomseses, so it feels like easy fun compared to doom2, final and various megawads, but I wonder if anybody remembers if it was more scary and tense back then

>>1987018
It was new and fast paced back in it's day, and a lot of people played without mouse back then too.

Now, we're all used to Doom, most of us play with a mouse (be it freelook or just horizontal turning), because it's just nicer and smoother feeling to play with, and we've all played the levels so many times, so we know how that song and dance goes.

It's easy for use now, that's for sure.
The exception is Episode 4, that shit gets pretty damn tight at places, even for experienced players.

Plutonia and TNT also gets hairy in places, particularly Plutonia. Pic related.

Anyone know where I can actually download Doom 64 EX, IWAD and everything?

I had it before but I completely forgot where I got it from.

>>1987018
Doom was never really THAT hard once you know how to strafe.

Arrow keys and < > master race.

Thy Flesh Consumed was the only official Doom content made to kick your ass.

>>1987018
I remember playing Doom 1 and 2 as a kid. It was tense as fuck and I had nightmares, I was so scared of those monsters and the sounds they made. Oh god, the sounds were terrifying for my young mind back then. And the moments were lights suddenly went out made me NOPE away from the game many times. I still loved it.

So what version of doom do you guys run? I'm assuming you guys don't grab a Dos rip and just throw it in dosbox. I remember a few years playing I think an open source port called Zdoom or something like that? Is it still any good? I'm looking to get back into Doom, so which version of the original game should I get?

Really, all I want is horizontal mouse look more than anything.

>>1986798
I am in what I consider an interesting position here.

I hate Underhalls. I think it's the single worst Doom 2 map. I hate the layout, it's ugly, it's not very fun to play, the music sucks, its encounters are boring, and it's just not a great map in my opinion. I don't fucking like it.

Unfortunately, this map doesn't do much to change it. It's not what I would consider a "remix" at all; this is more akin to a "remake." The layout is almost entirely identical; I was not shocked or surprised by anything in the level, which is, IMO, a complete misstep. Why remake the level at all if all you're going to do is do it exactly the same as the original?

Similarly, everything I hate about the original is still intact here--the way-too-early-in-the-game SSG, the stupid amount of hitscanners, the boring predictable traps, and the ugly texture usage are all identical to the original.

I love how you claim this is "bare bones" and "lacks detail" when several of the rooms have more detail than some of my finished maps. What you have is good enough, you don't need any more than this.

It's obvious that you have mapping talent, I'm not trying to take away from that. But I don't like Underhalls and subsequently, I don't like this, because...well, it's Underhalls. A map that's attempting to "remix" another existing map (your words) should make me like the original map more; I should find a new appreciation for the original by playing yours, or at least think yours is pretty damn good. And, on a technical level, it is. There's no texture misalignments and any problems I have with texture choice or gameplay all stem from the original map's choices, not yours.

tl;dr make your own maps, you have talent, you just need to actually make new shit instead of remaking shitty maps

>>1987083
Don't do that, just download D64EX from the website, and then grab a Doom64 ROM from coolrom or emuparadise and make the wad from that

>>1987154
Zdoom is one of the more advanced source ports for Doom available, and is required for newer complex maps and gameplay mods.
Chocolate Doom is the source port that emulates vanilla doom the closest, if you want to run doom through windows.

>>1987154
Yes, ZDoom is still a thing, and yes, it's pretty much a standard, especially if you want to use horizontal mouselook like you said. You can also get GZDoom, which is ZDoom with an OpenGL renderer, so it looks slightly more fancy, but it's optional.

Failing that, if you want a slightly more "authentic" experience, both Chocolate Doom and PRBoom+ are highly recommended. Honestly I recommend having all three, just for the convenience of being able to play three different versions of the game for comparison.

Chocolate Doom will basically just emulate the original game as much as possible, down to crashing over visplane limits and the weirdest of bugs.
PRBoom+ is the best Boom port so it has some extended support for mappers, but mostly it just makes it look better than Choco can while still keeping things relatively vanilla behaviour-wise. There are also compatibility options to turn back on some of the quirks it removes by default.
ZDoom can fuck with some gameplay shit here and there but the average end user won't give a fuck. Get ZDoom if you want the fanciest shit like weapon mods, Brootal Duum, Demonstool, Guhmoda, etc.

Oh, and if you want to play multiplayer, get Zandronum, it's the new Skulltag. It's basically just an old version of ZDoom with actually good netcode

>>1987158
>I hate Underhalls. I think it's the single worst Doom 2 map.
wow this isn't something one hears every day

>>1987164
Are you telling me to play an emulated n64 version of Doom instead of a normal, conventional, functioning pc port?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>1987171
>ZDoom is still a thing, and yes, it's pretty much a standard, especially if you want to use horizontal mouselook like you said
zdoom's "horizontal mouselook" is somehow better than others'??

>>1987158
>I hate Underhalls. I think it's the single worst Doom 2 map.

That's not Suburbs.

>>1987184
eww

every map sandy makes is a piece of shit

Hey, Doom general. I stopped playing doom right before the release of BTS2. Has anything good came out since than?

I was browsing another board and realized that doom general was may favorite.

>>1987187
At least the shittiest map is immediately followed-up by one of my favorite maps.

I have some trouble using demonsteele's foward slash

everytime I use it I get confused for some moments in where the hell I ended up, which can be very painful if there's as much as an imp around, Do I need to git gud ?

>>1987190
Well, BTSX 2......

Not much has changed, there's some new wads in development over at Doomworld though, Demonsteele got an official beta release, and GMOTA got an update

>>1987190
Going Down (final version, currently featured DW megawad club)

Resurgence (from the authors of Speed of Doom - mostly just one of them though)

>>1987184
I disliked his edgemaster phase more.

>>1985213
As an experienced modder and also someone who has toyed with a "Doom Alpha/Doom Bible" project in the past:
You're doing it wrong.

The bible explicitly mentions both a plasma rifle and the BFG, so replacing these weapons outright is a bad fucking idea.
In addition, any good Doom Bible project WILL need new maps anyway, and if you're doing new maps then you don't need to "replace" the existing ammo types at all, you can just add more. You are not required to "only" use 4 types of ammo, you can use 5, or 6, or even 10 if you wanted to.

Also, the original bible specified that using demon or demontech weapons would hurt the player and/or require "souls" to use so just randomly replacing the plasma ammo with skulls is fucking retarded. Try harder.

>>1987178
>What the fuck is wrong with you?

Are you...new?
The ROM is required for D64EX, dude.

So I decided to have a go at trying to make that Calico SMG for the Cyberpunk shootdown, and I copypasted the grip for the vertical foregrip, looks passable enough, but it still looks like a rip from a render (which it is).

No matter how I tried to redraw it or draw over it, I couldn't make it look right, I guess what little artistic skills I had have completely atrophied in these past years.

If anyone else wants to give it a go, feel free, I'm at the end of my rope.
The cylinder on the top, on the rear of the gun, is the magazine, the casings eject straight down, and the charging/cocking-handle is the little hook-shape on the left side of the gun.

If anyone needs images of the gun without the magazine or anything if they wanna finish it, I'll go dig something up.

>>1987187
Hey!
They're ugly but they're all fun in some way!

>>1987193
Yes. The amount of distance you go is always the same, it's just a matter of predicting.
If you want to be sneaky, you can do it just behind a slightly-raised wall, which will send the wave forward but keep you in place.

Brutal Doom is just so much fun.
I wish Deus Vult II wouldn't have so many problems with it. Some maps are outright unplayable...

Do NOT respond to the post above

>>1987183
The only other ports I know of that do horizontal mlook are shit like Doomsday or EDGE

So what I'm really saying is "other ports have this feature but they suck dick"

>>1987178
No, I'm not saying that. I even explicitly told you to go get Doom64EX in the post. What the fuck is wrong with YOU, you illiterate fuck?

>>1987227
>The ROM is required for D64EX, dude.

If you are retarded enough that you cannot find a Doom64 rom yourself and run the tool (literally included with Doom64EX) to make a Doom64EX wad from a Doom64 rom, then fuck you, you don't deserve to play it

>>1987260
okay obviously i am misunderstanding what you mean by horizontal mouselook, because to me "horizontal mouselook" is a strange way of saying "turning with the mouse" which the game has always had since day one.

Hey! I've just Finished my e1m3 and I'm starting to think about other maps. I've always thought secret maps were for special things and I think that could be some good fun to get it done by some anon!

So just a few requirements: Doom format
Biggest monstrer is baron
Slot is E1M9
Max weapon is plasma gun
EP1 style
No new graphics/sound but new music if you want

Once you're done sent your to wad.anon@laposte.net and HF!

>finally getting around to playing Cyberrunner for the first time

Oh, what fun.

>>1987158
Underhalls is a nice map. What a crappy opinion.

These Dooms the way ID did them are the bee gees knees

>>1987282
You do know that it was dropped`?

>>1987304
Yeah, that's a shame.

>>1987306
>misspelling "thank god"

>>1987282
Yeah, that was a cool project. Shame it broke Doom.

>>1987308
Okay.

>>1987275
Dibs.

I got some ideas I've been meaning to try so we'll see what happens

>>1987158
I'm the mapper.
Thanks for explaining your position, sorry to hear you didn't like it. Funny you mentioning disliking Underhalls though as I always thought the map was a good short romp with combat that I liked. I liked it's setup too and figured that it would be a good place to remake to cut my teeth on as it wouldn't be a super long project and it would be more about learning my way around an editor before making my own map choice in earnest.

I've been keeping close to vanilla limits because I've wanted to be like the original but as I was panning things out I'm worried it will be too much like the old so I was thinking of migrating over to UDMF format and being able to include more and varied encounter types, that and what another anon raised about graphical glitches I think the details that I want are more difficult to implement in vanilla than I first thought.

The monster choice is the same lineup that was in the original Underhalls but I've felt adding in different enemies might be too big a change, do you think it would be alright to add the next tier up? (cacos, chaingunners, hellknights, souls).

Regarding the bare bonesness of parts, I refer more to the contrast between the area just before the SSG and say, where you hit the switch to raise the platform leading to the building with the red key.....that entire area is plain, I liked it's combat encounter though.

What name do you release maps under so I can see the style you approach from? I'd like to finish the map off though, do you have any other thoughts on planning the layout?

>maps designed around a central "hub" room

I... really like this.

>>1986762
>is it true that he made a map of the columbine school?

No. It wouldn't even be possible with Vanilla Doom and its limitations. It's a huge, two-story building for upper class snobs that would have absolutely dwarfed any of the levels in Doom 2.

>>1987491
exactly, it's just scare mongering garbage like all cable outlets do

though nowadays it's more exaggerating things for comedic effect

>>1987491
Replace stairs with teleporters?

Fucking amazing. I started on a map, got on a real roll, when my power went out. I never saved it because I only had about an hour's work in it, but I skipped a lot of bullshit like texturing, lighting and line specials in favour of layouts and room design, so I had a good like 6-7 rooms done. Extremely pissed about this.

it's 2014 you live in a first world country but the power supply still isn't 100% reliable

>>1987512

Sorry to hear that, dude, but let this be a lesson. Even if it's only an hour or two, save often. Hell, save every fifteen minutes.

>>1987512

>every fifteen minutes

must be my paranoia but I save for almost every line I draw, sector I make, it costs around 0.2 seconds to press ctrl+s so I do it almost every time I change something, even when I do nothing it happens for me to save :^|

>>1987253
is that scythe 2? that will probably be a nightmare with BD once you reach map 20ish

>>1987253
you're really bad btw anon lol

>>1987512
>power went out
wtf? where do you live?

>>1987543

A place with power, I'd assume.

>>1987554
I live in the UK. Our power never goes out. That's considered to be fucking weird here.

Maybe he's in Nigeria or some other third world shithole that has power cuts.

>>1987558
Or... maybe it's just weather. Up north, snowstorms/blizzards and the super high winds that come with them liked to knock down power poles. You've never seen that happen before? Or maybe you just live downtown somewhere where the power lines are underground?

>>1987467
You mean like Tricks and Traps?
Or a hub like Hexen?

>>1987467
>>1987617
the hub: a 90s mapping cliche. a central room with 4 doors, 3 of which were locked, each leading to a key or the exit. all sections being completely disjoint and separate from one another; it was more like 4 small maps joined together, than one holistic world.

i am glad nobody does this any more.

>Buttsex2
>Map15
>37minutes in
>killed 150 out of 330 something monsters
>including a cyberdemon, several revenants, a number of viles, and a bunch of pain elementals
>haven't taken a single point of damage yet
>still have 200/200 from the megasphere on the previous level

This must be what it feels like to be a god.

>>1986942
i think i've worked out what you meant here.

the linedefs around the doorway down to the ssg are all double-sided and have backsectors, when they shouldn't. you need to delete their backsectors and make them single-sided. this affects linedefs 233, 240, 251, 219, and 700.

there is also linedef 552, which is marked as two-sided but has no second sidedef.

>>1987648
gods play faster than that!

good going though, congratulations.

>>1987634
He meant like using ZDooms/Strifes/Hexens built in hub system, as in, having maps being connectible between each other, where you can travel back and forth as necessary across maps and stuff.

>Realm667 is down

Just in time.

>>1987669
It's been like that since september dude.

>>1987508
>Replace stairs with teleporters?
Maybe... but you'd still have two fuckhuge maps, one for each floor.

It could probably be doable if you only made the bottom floor, since of course, the attack was in the morning when none of the students would have been upstairs.

>>1987823

anyways real buildings are always boring as fuck in video games, as it's often the same room repeated over and over and over.

>>1986006
It would be the classic superhero crossover misunderstanding, where they fight and then unite against some greater threat

>>1987852
case study: e2m7

>>1987881
E2M7 is great tho

>>1987539
Read his post anon.

Hey, a while back there was an anon who did a MIDI cover of Quad Machine that was much better than any of the alternatives out there.

Is that anon still out there, and if so, do you still have the song?

>>1987975
I'm interested as well.

Are there any texture wads that contain nothing but solid color "textures"?

>>1988013
this is not quake 3 anon

>>1988013
Why would you want that?
In fact, why couldn't you just make that yourself? That would be piss easy, like a 128x128 square of pure red.

>>1987558
>I live in the UK. Our power never goes out

O RLY?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-194118/Travel-chaos-power-cut-hits-London.html

I could use a good laugh.

Anyone know any UNIQUELY shitty wads they'd like to share? Something beyond simply ugly architecture.

>>1984787
Doom would have been cooler with the alpha weapons IMO. A semi-auto rifle and bayonet are cooler than a pistol and fists. The alpha BFG was too much for any PC back then though. I would have preferred an assault rifle to the chaingun too. Most Doomers would disagree with this but I think it would be cool with some realistic and some sci-fi weapons.

>>1987184
That's not the Chasm.

Suburbs is kind of bland looking, but I dig the feel of demons infesting a small town. It's also not as big as Downtown, which can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on my mood.


Except for the exit. That part's silly looking.

>>1985542
>sharekeys
It has babbymode now?

>playing term's mod on doom
>facing e2m8
>"Meh, how hard could it be?"

I just faced one of the most badass and complex bosses ever.

>>1988097
>e2m8
The Cyberdemon?
DemonSteele's cyberdemon isn't changed that much...

Are you thinking of E3M8?

>>1988097
The Cybie wasn't that much harder than normal. The stuff term did to it was cool, but it's still the same fight more or less.
On a different note;
>Archviles
JESUS TITTYFUCKING CHRIST TERM, WHY

>>1988104
>Back special
>Dash in
>Slash like crazy
*Sheathes katana*

Hey people, how do you Doom?
I'm a mouse and keyboard guy but I guess many use joypads or maybe keyboard only right?

>>1988104
dunno why you guys say archie is bad. I usually sacrifice 1 token to get close to him but then it's done.

barons and pain elementals on the other hand...

>>1988110
I'm a Mouse+Keyboard kind of guy.
If I had a less shoddy gamepad, with a larger degree of sensitivity adjustable for the analogs, I'd probably play a lot with my gamepad.

It's good enough for emulating Nes, Snes, Gameboy Color and Gameboy Advance games though.

>>1988104
>JESUS TITTYFUCKING CHRIST TERM, WHY

note that the back special blocks projectiles
so a sword wave followed up with a dash to come in and wreck his shit is a good way to deal with them

>>1988104

Darn it, you are right, I was talking about e3m8's spidy, got it all mixed up.

>>1988106

>Archviles

Oh god, the nightmares, I still can't figure out a way to kill them without taking damage at all. It's the only one thing that I dislike from that mod, tho.

Pain elementals are fine, you just have to avoid their souls spam and you are good to go.

>>1988116
You know, even though I use a gamepad for virtually every game I always go for keyboard and mouse for Doom.

>>1988110

When playing vanilla I go keyboard only using the default binds.

I tried joystick a few times, it just doesn't work for me, FPS and joysticks doesn't fit on the same sentence imho.

When playing modded doom, I go for the classy mouse + keyboard (WASD bind)

>>1988110
Mouse only

>>1987184
Fun fact: playing Suburbs on Ultra-Violence on the PlayStation port will often make the game crash from having so many infighting monsters. It can even crash on Hurt Me Plenty. This is despite the PlayStation version of the map not having any Arch-Viles or Mancubi.

Great work Sandy!

>>1986563
only way I can see that happening is if you have an animated texture on the wall that does the melting thing. Also doomguy would have to be locked in place.
Couldn't do anything about the gun or the resolution though...

>>1988120
>>1988115
How to deal with Archviles in Demonsteele
>At eye level at close range
Forward special, instakills if you get them in the center of the wave
>Above you
Grenade spam

>Below you
Grenade spam

>At a distance
Back special, dash behind it, slash like crazy or forward special.

>>1988115
If you are in the wrong position the flames it calls can hit you multiple times and drain anywhere from 5-7 tokens at once.
Instakills with no exceptions if you are right next to it as it spawns it and they all explode.

Barons can also drain 3 tokens at once up close.

The important thing about Barons of Hell in Demonsteele is to hit them with their back to a wall.
They are toast if they can't backdash.

>>1988128
Sounds more like a limitation on the part of the PS than the game design.

>>1988110
I'm playing on a racing wheel sometimes.

>>1988136
It's just an example of how many monsters the level has. Rather than placing the monsters intelligently so that they cause the most threat, Suburbs just throws hordes of them in your face and then kills them for you when the inevitable infighting starts about 10 seconds in to the map. The best strategy for winning on high difficulties is just to run around in big circles confusing the monsters. It's not fun. It's just running laps around the map, stopping only to kill the 2 archies, until the monster count is low enough to play it normally.

>>1988127
So I initially posted this as a joke but then it dawned on me that this is actually totally possible. Theoretically. So I'm totally giving this a shot. On Ultra-Violence, of course.

Lookspring: on
Forward/backward speed: 2.5
Fire: mouse1
Use/open: mouse2
Strafe: mouse3
Next weapon: mwheelup
Previous weapon mwheeldown

That's all I need.

Let's rock.

Stupid sexy archvile

>>1987634
is this guy serious? if so, he really needs to play map 4 from hellground

>>1988131
What if there's four of them, and there's not enough grenades to spam?

>>1988197
I'd need to see the layout but basically Special meter is going to be your best friend.

If you have none at all for WHATEVER reason then please ration your Special meter better, it's the bane of Archviles and Pain Elementals

I can't work any of the GZDoom git builds past September 16

I keep getting something about shaders not compiling or something...does anyone else get anything like this?

I'm using the one right under september 16, hope I'm not missing anything

>>1988187
What is this?

>>1988154
Well, I guess it's a bit like the first slaughtermap then.

Not the best though.

>>1988224
Gene-Tech: Before the Storm
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=46718

>>1988224
Looks like Enjay's recently released Gene-Tech.

http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=46718

>>1988236
>>1988234
Pretty sweet.
He really should do a few more maps for this some day, it's a great base to work with.

>>1987558
The power can cut out in smaller towns and villages. It happens even in Sweden.

Big cities like London having an outage is rare, but I assume you don't live in a tiny town.

>>1988075
There's Mock 2, but that's bad on purpose.

>>1987543
Well, to be honest, my house is in a transitionary period, we're redoing some of the electrical stuff

And my computer is on the same breaker as the bathroom, my girlfriend plugged in a hair dryer and blew a fuse

>>1988257
>Live a few miles out from the nearest town.
>Power will randomly blink about once every two months.

I mean, I wired up all my stuff to a server rack UPS, but it still sucks. Even worse is the fiber line that took forever for my ISP to run out here occasionally gets damaged by imbeciles that can read "WARNING DO NOT DIG HERE WITHOUT CONSULTING LOCAL ISP FIRST" and break the line, and since there's only a few people out this way, they're slow to fix it.

That's one thing I liked about living in Houston, the internet was good and something as simple as not having the power go out randomly (Well, it did when this black guy committed suicide with his toaster in our apartment, but that only happened once). It's just I hate everything else about the city.

>>1987669
>>1987691

And just you wait, I got notice that id software just bought The Plutonia Experiment!

What's going to happen now?

>>1988293
Ah, well that makes a lot more sense rather than a power outage lol. Funny seeing all these spergs go off about it as though it's a perfectly normal and expected occurrence in developed countries.

>>1987018
Yes Doom was considered a scary game in it's day, just as Alone in the Dark was.

Also if you want even the original game to be hard try the -fast command some time, it makes experts sweat bullets.

>>1984749
Yo, Smooth Doom got some updates. Bosses are finished, some decorations too, and more Doom64 sprites were added (with full animation), which is awesome. Lots of other shit too.
Thread:
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=45550&sid=76ea25714000df1d3238ee538e03f5a5
Vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=virD-uLknLU

>>1987158
I usually get bored of Doom 2 when i hit MAP05.

Getting a feel for opinion on this:

Mod has special/alt deaths for monsters.

Mod implements Brutal Doom deaths for monsters under a CVar which override normal and xdeaths for monsters. Defaults to off. Y/N?

>>1988127
Graf Zahl pls go.

>>1988338
>Mod implements Brutal Doom deaths for monsters under a CVar which override normal and xdeaths for monsters. Defaults to off. Y/N?
That's great, I don't see why it would default to off personally tho. Unless you're Smooth Doom.

>>1988346
>That's great, I don't see why it would default to off personally tho.

The mod is completely unrelated to Brutal Doom in aim, flavor, and the people working on it.

>>1988127
Meme elsewhere.

So what happens if I try to load Demonsteele and Brutal Doom at the same time?

>>1988407

Can someone post the /doom/ comic pls

>>1988334
Haha, that's usually where I stop too if I'm just not feeling it.

>>1988356
That's a meme?

>>1988407
I tried it and it seems like there are many invulnerable Revenants chasing the player.
This sucks, why is there not a Brutal Doom patch? This would make the cool mod even more popular, and Demonsteele too......really....
Imagine, a great cool mod, Brutal Doom gameplay and Demonsteele weapons and gameplay, FUCK YEAH

>>1988407
You're forced to play gone home until you realize you can't play the two together

>>1988424
Why would I want to play the two together? They're pretty different. Brutal Doom is a rehaul of the vanilla experience, but still oriented around the same basic style of gameplay; Demonsteele is entirely new experience.

At most I can see wanting to combine Ketchup and Demonsteele, but I think I'd rather just play Demonsteele.

>>1988447
>Brutal Doom is a rehaul of the vanilla experience, but still oriented around the same basic style of gameplay; Demonsteele is entirely new experience
uhhhhh no?
Brutal Doom is supposed to be an improvement of the vanilla experience, using modern elements.
Its okay if you hate it or love it, because not everyone likes modern elements.
Demonsteele is just a silly, but fun mod. They should be compatible.....
Really, Demonsteele changes monsters and adds a new fun class, Brutal Doom manages gore and fatalities and the effects.
Whats not to get????

>Load Demonsteele with Epic 2
>Get to map 12
>Level doesn't end
>Get to map 14
>Can't shoot through some obstacle to hit a switch
How does this even happen?

>>1988454
Because Demonsteele is broken as fuck.
Dont play it, wait 2 more months m8

>>1988454
>>Get to map 12
>>Level doesn't end
If I had to guess, maybe the different-sized player causing issues with voodoo dolls? Epic 2 uses ridiculous amounts of voodoo-doll scripting.
>>Get to map 14
>>Can't shoot through some obstacle to hit a switch
Projectile bullets. It could be solved by making the pistol fire a single, no-damage hitscan in addition to its normal bullet.

>>1988454
>>1988463

I'll fix the bullet thing, thanks.

>>1988465
Yeah the bullet thing is all that really bugs me.

Even just making the pistol shoot through those kinds of obstacles would be fine. Since you always have the pistol.

It's a great mod by the way and I'll just end the map manually for 12 and noclip a little past the start in Map 14 but man I was more curious as to how it even happens.

Which was answered here >>1988463 and thank you for answering.

>>1988453
>not being able to handle a few revenants

>>1988472

Thanks, glad you enjoy it.
I'm not very familiar with Epic 2, so I'm afraid I can't really answer about map12; I just cracked it open and went through and couldn't find any voodoo dolls, so I'm stumped as to what's causing it. If that anon is correct and map12 is dependent on voodoo dolls' height, though, then I'm afraid there's not a lot I can do about it. All I can suggest is just nextmapping through it once you reach the end.
Sorry.

At least the bullet thing will be an easy fix.

>>1988453
>Brutal Doom is supposed to be an improvement of the vanilla experience

In what way...?

>>1988485
Don't give him what he wants.

>>1988483
No problem if the voodoo doll thing can't be fixed.

It's the only map I can think of where this really even comes up and I've been playing Demonsteele with everything.

>you will never make anything as good as Going Down
Why even live?

>>1988496

If you use others as standards for your success, you'll never reach it.
Don't aspire to have the greatness others have. Aspire for your own. Only one in the world.

>>1988496
DKG pls go

>>1988485
By making it mechanic-wise more like shooters just before the regenerating health corridor-shooter era started. Basically like Serious Sam. Whether you think this is a good thing or not depends on whether you prefer Serious Sam-style mechanics or original Doom-style mechanics. A lot of focus on BD is the gore, but that's not really the core of it. The core is the gameplay changes.

If you prefer SS-style mechanics to Doom-style mechanics, BD > Vanilla Doom.

If you prefer Doom-style mechanics to SS-style mechanics, BD < Vanilla Doom.

It comes down to preferences and so arguing over whether it's good or not is pointless. You're not going to change people's preferences either way.

>>1988536
>preference

I hope you're not the same person because that post claimed it was an improvement.

I thought BD discussion was looked down on now?

>>1988536
You are wrong. Doom is objectively bad.
The skill levels are fucked up (wayyyy too easy), monsters have weird AI, weapons need to reload, stupid time wasting shit like fatalities and ear raping death screams.
This shit is "Edgy Edge la Edge : The edgy wad"

>>1988556
>Doom
*Brutal Doom

>>1988548
I'm not the same person. I'm saying why some people consider it a straight improvement and some people consider it a straight downgrade.

It's the same divide over something like Hideous Destructor. The only reason Brutal Doom gets shit here and Hideous Destructor doesn't is because Total Biscuit is in the camp claiming it's a straight upgrade and some people treat the word of internet celebrities as universal law.

>>1988560
>The only reason Brutal Doom gets shit here and Hideous Destructor doesn't is because Total Biscuit

I have no clue who Total Biscuit is, so you're wrong.

>>1988560
>Total Biscuit
literally who

>>1988560
>The only reason Brutal Doom gets shit here and Hideous Destructor doesn't is because Total Biscuit is in the camp claiming it's a straight upgrade and some people treat the word of internet celebrities as universal law.
He doesn't.

What if I like weapon reloads as long as they're satisfying?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aQuYnYxq24&feature=youtu.be

>>1988560
Yeah nobody could possibly dislike it because it's a Justin Bieber tier mod, it has to be author/celeb drama!

>>1988570
>reloading
>satisfying
pick none

>>1988419
I'd say, if you really want to play them together, you could try making it work yourself.

>>1988584

But anon, the SSG requires reloads

>>1988571
You're misinterpreting. I've already said in >>1988536 that many people have good reasons for disliking it. I'm saying that the reason the divide has become so bitter (see >>1988556) is because BD has a bad fanbase who seem determined to push it onto everyone.

It's the same with other things: is the hate for MLP, for example, actual hatred for the show itself, or hatred of bronies (who are terrible people)? Definitely the latter. Same with Touhou.

I'm saying that if Brutal Doom didn't have fans who constantly say that it's indisputably the evolution of Doom, it wouldn't have anti-fans who constantly say that it's literally the worst mod ever made for Doom. If it had a normal fanbase it would be "just another gameplay mod" like Hideous Destructor.

>>1988584
I pick both.

>>1988601
>MLP
That's a good comparison, because as someone who doesn't give a fuck about either side all I see is a bunch of antiskubfags bitching endlessly about skubfags - none of whom actually come here - and jumping at the chance to bite every bait that floats by.

>>1988618
alright

>>1988618
>hating on skub master race
kill yourself

>>1988618
>none of whom actually come here

Lol sure.

>>1988618
>none of whom actually come here
confirmed for newfag

>>1988618
What you see is the bitterness that remains after the damage has been done. With both matters, the subject has reached the point where bans have been issued and the subject is considered hazardous enough to avoid discussing for fear of further bans.

At this point, people would rather just leave people to like or dislike what they please on this matter while holding whatever option they do on the other side. Which is pretty damn ideal if you ask me.

>>1988032
lol you read the daily mail

>>1988075
dickwad2 map04

>>1988091
>Except for the exit. That part's silly looking.

>>1988154

"underhalls is a bad map"

"massive infights aren't fun"

now i've heard everything. this thread is going for some kind of record on questionable opinions.

>>1988128
>>1988136
no it's obviously sandy's fault that a popular console of the time had highly limited computing resources and processing power.

>>1988231
sandy petersen
- invented infighting (e2m9)
- invented slaughtermaps (map16)
bow down all ye who are naught before him

>>1988787
>>1988791
>>1988795
You can type more than one thing per post.

>>1988301
if i made the law, crimes would be proportional to the number of people they affect. so if you dig through the town's only internet fibre line, you affect the entire town, and thus you are to be taken from this place and strung up outside the town hall by your testicles for a time not less than 24 hours.

>>1988304
team tnt are fucking sellout cunts

we can make a better megawad in a couple of months. it will be called "memento mori" and people will still speak of it in 20 years' time

>>1988483
>I'm not very familiar with Epic 2, so I'm afraid I can't really answer about map12; I just cracked it open and went through and couldn't find any voodoo dolls, so I'm stumped as to what's causing it.
sector 722
- crush barrel
- knock player over special line
how to do voodoo doll scripts in vanilla, without having boom conveyors available to you

it can be broken if the player has damage reduction and thus does not get moved as far by percussion. i recall another of eternal's maps (bbb.wad) being broken in skill 1 because the reduced damage from barrel explosions failed to knock a voodoo doll far enough.

>>1988805
it's much easier to reply to one post at a time. shit web browser interface. browsers aren't text editors.

>>1988787
Infights are fun but so is killing things. Suburbs is basically just infights. Now, E2M9 is basically just infights too, but in E2M9 you have to figure out how to cause the infights. In Suburbs the infights basically just happen without you doing anything due to the sheer number and variety of monsters.

>>1988905
point taken, i guess i am lazy and enjoy watching the monsters do all the work for me :)

What are some maps that are similar to Deus Vult and Holy Hell?

As in, Fuckhuge map with lots of opposition.

>>1988810
Wasn't Memento Mori before TNT, though?

IIRC, it was initially released in 95.

>>1988924
Sunder.

>>1987449

>needs new format to do good map

vanillacan give variated encounters too dude, you just need to be skilled at placing the monsters and pacing your fight/ammo/health

>>1988952
I never said I needed a new format, I said using a new one would allow more variation.
The worry is the map is becoming too much like vanilla underhalls and using new features allows new things to be tried that vanilla couldn't do....though the most I can think that I'd actually use would be bridges.

>>1988957
if it's a mreake it's kind of normal to get it looking like the original.

>Playing Demonsteele with Epic 2
>Never really use special meter too much unless it's a big fight
>Get to a level I absolutely hate(Map15)
>Decide to extensively play with Iron Maiden mode on this level

>tfw killing a Cyberdemon in four punches due to Slayer ranking
>Punching shotgun guys and they fly into walls before going splat
>Everything breaking apart violently
>Punching holes in Mancubi
>Hell Knights breaking apart
These punches are fucking incredible, holy shit.

>>1988975
Yeah but there is a fine line between a remake and a remix and I'm worried I'm more towards the former than the latter. Most of the new stuff I was wanting to try would be in the second half of the map but I might scrap it all and start over in an entirely new direction.

You can try it out if you like and tell me how you think it's shaping up.

>>1988930
i believe evilution was made first because it was touted as being the first full 32 map doom2 replacement before it was bought.

Dumb question: is Buttsex a nickname for BTSX? Becase I've seen it thrown around with screenshots of some very gothic looking map, more in the style of Scythe.

>>1988992

Yes.
Buttsex = BTSX
Mansex = Project MSX
Donut steel = DemonSteele
Metrood = Metroid Dreadnought
burtl = Brutal Doom
zimbabwe = Zandronum
etc

>>1988991
But TNT was bought out very late in 1995.

Memento Mori was already out by then.

>>1988992
yes, there's one guy who keeps calling it that.

>>1988996
please note these nicknames are far from universally recognised and this post should not be taken as official doctrine.

>>1988943
Should've mentioned, I've already played that.

>>1989000
>this post should not be taken as official doctrine
No shit?

>>1988584
I pick both.

>the sound and feel of the bolt being opened and a clip being stripped into the magazine of a rifle in one smooth push, then the bolt being closed
>a double-barrel being broken open, the shells ejected, new shells inserted, and then closed (and then the hammers cocked if they are of the exposed type)
>the magazine of a carbine removed and replaced, the player rapidly racking the charging handle or hitting the bolt-release to quickly get back into action
>the player pushing shell after shell into the loading port of the shotgun, and the satisfying chunk noise of a pump-action being worked, showing the player pumping the gun good
>the player dropping the magazine from his SMG, inserting a new one, and locking back the bolt

That shit is BEAUTIFUL.
Reloading gives any and all weapons a wonderful realistic detail to it, making it feel more genuine.

>>1989002
Slaughterfest maps.

God damn was pirate doom always this pretty? I'm playing through it again on a machine that isn't a fucking potato and man. This is gorgeous

>>1989007
Only a small few of those are actually fuckhuge.

Plus, the quality is all over the place in those megawads.

>>1988810

Memento Mori was already in development before TNT was bought out, so it couldn't have been started as a free answer to TNT. Icarus was the free apology for TNT Evilution being commercialized.

>>1988924
Europe
Newgothic
Ndoor city
Planisphere 2

>>1989010

Seriously man. What the shit, I do NOT recall it being this pretty

>>1988998

tnt press release about commercialisation, oct. 1995

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.games.computer.doom.playing/Fhfl5PHTbVk/0eSgX8fkDJcJ

mm apparently released dec. 1995, can't find announce post but see below for a reply that fully quotes it.

>>1989024

but it was certainly promoted as freeware on release.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.games.computer.doom.playing/URgLt1zLXfw/B63oObh6F9gJ

>>1989056
>but it was certainly promoted as freeware on release.

A lot of wads did that in 95-97 as a jab at TNT. TeamTNT themselves did it, aswell.

you won't believe who made this level

>>1989000
I hope it won't agitate your autism, but even the btsx team uses buttsex as the internal codename.

>>1989119
Where's your viewbob and weaponbob? It looks like you're floating forward on ice or something.

>>1989119
Graf Zahl?

>>1988419
>This would make the cool mod even more popular,...
>mfw

If by "popular" you mean "ruined by immature obnoxious idiots", sure.
unless you mean Brutal Doom by "the cool mod"

Okay so after much thinking and headbuttingthewallinsheerfrustration I've decided to go with this idea for a POW'd up shield in GMOTA:

When you got a POW up and block with the shield, you fire some kinda short-ranged beam that either:

>lifesteals
>gives armor as you zap fuckers
>regens arcane energy
>inflicts knockback

or maybe something else if someone else has a better idea.

>>1989204
Have it give armor.

If it steals life it becomes the definitive subweapon for survivability.
If it recharges arcane energy it won't be particularly useful because Blaz doesn't use arcane energy that much
Knockback would also be alright.

>>1989216

arcane energy is useful for item crashes, power sword attacks, and shining knight though

Should I maybe make item crashes stronger and use more energy?