/vr/ - Retro Games

>>1984036
I firmly believe a majority of people who dislike 9 are those whose first final fantasy was 7 or maybe even 8.

>>1984046
>played FF2 on SNES as my first FF game
>Proceeded to play 3, then 7 and 8 as they came out
>Somewhere around there I even played 5 either from SNES roms or from anthology
>9 bored me so bad I could never finish it
So much text. Too much individual character development for characters I didnt give 2 shits about, everything is a fucking crawl.

Its just boring. I'm sure if it was paced up a bit I could play it and enjoy it, but its so. fucking. slow.

I don't really care, I guess. It's an amazing game with an awesome and immersive world and a lot of interesting character designs, definitely my fave FF. But nobody has to like something, opinions are opinions.

>>1984046
Not in my case. I'd been playing FF since the first one and 9 just did absolutely fuck all to keep my interest.

>>1984046
Well, my first Final Fantasy was 1 on NES, and 9 seems like it was designed by committees and focus groups to appeal directly to me and those like me.

I didn't realize there was hate. Huh. Actually I think the game gets viewed better over time, sans combat speed but you can patch that anyway. Not that games age mind you.

>>1984046
It's possible. When I was younger I took VII as the best, but now it's definitely IX for me.

>>1984103
Mmm I disagree. The trend set by 7 was definitely Modern to futuristic. FF9 started as a side-project, which would explain them going against their own trend, and it was only a littler later that Square decide to give it a roman numeral.

Since when has IX gotten a lot of hate? I don't see it get discussed very often, but it's usually followed by praise when someone mentions it.

It's possibly my favorite Final Fantasy, in any case.

>>1984036
It's my favorite FF.
I love vivi.

Also r8 my poster, thing is huge.

>>1984148
There's a thread every other day. It's always the same. People hate it because of the extremely long battle intro that ends up making the game way longer than it should me. Other people hate it because of the story or the FMV's.

I thought it was great despite all the flaws.

>>1984164
>People hate it because of the extremely long battle intro that ends up making the game way longer than it should me.

Huh. I never actually noticed that,

>>1984170
The ATB is also slower, but I for one actually prefer it that way.

>>1984170
Same here, people always bitch about that and I never noticed it, even on my extended playthrough where I did every possible extra thing I could do.

>>1984178
If FFIX had the speed and dynamism of FFVIII battles and ATB it would be perfect.

>>1984046

>people that dislike a game I like must be faggot FF7 fans

I love IX but its flawed and among the slowest if not the slowest game in the entire series.

A game that was built entirely for fan service and the only thing that gives it its own identity outside of the endless references is the characters, who are still references to other characters.

Remember when everyone universally hated FF7 fans? It's starting to go away but I miss it. Generally I hated those fags that had cloud or sephiroth as their shitty forum sig.

Fuck those guys

>>1984236
Right now its just cool to hate FF7. It'll come full circle soon enough.

>>1984036
There's more to a game than one character and his arc, while neat, was over quickly.

>>1984164
>People hate it because of the extremely long battle intro that ends up making the game way longer than it should me.

I don't think most people who point that out actually hate the game. It's true, and it is probably the most glaring flaw in the game. And I say this as someone who considers it their second favorite game in the series.

>>1984046

My first FF was VII but IX is still my favourite

I liked Final Fantasy IX. Surprisingly great story, the main character isn't a whiny asshole, and it's got dat Garnet.

>>1984308

IX had much better characters than VIII at least. Zidane and Vivi learned that they weren't even real people and were just made by some faggot in a lab and they still didn't moan as much as that Squall asshole

>>1984308

>>1984036
Only got to play with Beatrix for what seems like 5 minutes but damn that was awesome.

>>1984036
The plot starts off very solid, but then falls apart almost immediately, while gameplay is all around bad. There's no sense of exploration, adventure or progress to gameplay, new items are the same as old ones, abilities are irrelevant and you're clearly told where to go and what to do there at all times.

As for the story, it really falls apart at the end of disc 1, although it already starts to crumble heavily soon after you leave Lindblum.

Too bad, because visuals and music are lovely, and even the characters aren't all bad, unlike most FF games.

>>1984317
>Zidane and Vivi learned that they weren't even real people and were just made by some faggot in a lab and they still didn't moan as much as that Squall asshole
Don't forget Sephiroth, the stupidest FF villain this side of Kefka.

>>1984036
For the most part I liked it, then about 75% through when the alien thing started happening with Zidan's origins, I started to feel more and more distanced from the story. There are a few big thorns in this game that result from unresolved plot points, such as Freya's story having no real resolution and that deus ex ending. Still, I liked it for the most part.

I keep saying this but here it is again: people don't hate FFIX itself but hate it's fanbase that simply went too far circlejerking about FFIX in 2009-2010. Anyone who posted on FF threads back then remembers how FFIX was the only game you could talk about at the time.

tl:dr; liking FFIX became too popular so it's cool to hate it nowadays

>>1984664

>legitimate flaws get mentioned
>its all just hate cause of the fanbase

k

>>1984075
>Too much individual character development for characters I didnt give 2 shits about
Pretty much this. After the first disc the game forgot Freya existed and then they decided they needed two new completely superfluous characters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw_Ao-7vBxo

>dat feel

>>1984667
FFIX is one of my favorite FF games but it definitely has some legitimate flaws in it:

Battles are way too frequent.
Battles take forever to load.
Battles have a completely unskippable cinematic intro that makes you wait before you take control.
Battles are hideously slow, even with max battle and text speed. Inexplicably even the characters preparing to attack take forever to do so.
Trance is completely worthless. Ito was stupid for breaking the limit break mechanic like this.
The ability system in this game is awful. You have to wear substandard equipment for ages in order to get useful abilities. And some are strongly recommended. Combine this with very low AP per battle (and the aforementioned battle issues) and you have a problem.
The cast is unevenly cared for. Quina, Amarant, and Freya get almost nothing. Contast that with VII where even the optional characters got substantial amounts of attention. Freya only has ~100 lines from the Cleyra event to the end of the game. What a promising character and side-plot utterly neglected. Amarant was one of the most contrive additions to your team I've ever seen in a JRPG.
The card game is worthless, which makes all those card rewards you get worthless as well. The game actually fails to communicate exactly how to play the damn game.
Speaking of mini-games all of them suck ass and apart from Chocobo's hot and cold don't even give any real rewards to you from playing them. I don't even mean anything game breaking few ethers or phoenix downs would be enough.
The plot is one of the weakest parts of the game and really goes downhill at Oielvert when Terrans become a plotpoint.

So should I ignore all of these and spend all my time shitposting about how FFIX is perfect masterpiece and the best FF game like the majority of it's fanbase does? The way FFIX's fanbase acts like is the reason people hate FFIX and it started with people going too far circlejerking about it in 2009.

>>1984664
>people don't hate FFIX itself but hate it's fanbase
Except that 4, 10, 1 and especially 6 and 7 fanbases are much more rabid. 9 fans are quite like 5 fans, they aren't irate at all, if only because the games are much less popular with Deviantart-type "special children" crowds and teens.

And there really is no FF9 hate. People either like it or are indifferent towards it. Doesn't change the fact that, however lovable, 9 is a very problematic game--but then, so is every other FF.

most of the hate comes from neckbeards who dislike the art style.

It's not a big deal, only people who have bad taste

I've got a love-hate relationship with the game.
After 7 and 8 decided they didn't really want to be Final Fantasy games it was nice to have something that went back to its roots, but there are just so many nits to pick with the actual end product.

FF9 has a great fairy-like setting, better than the first FFs, perhaps. For me, the cyber-punk/modernist appeal of FF7 and FF8 is awful. Anyway, FF9 has some serious problems, first of all, its slowness.

>>1984236

>>1984765
why would you name your child after a villain
do you WANT them to turn into the Good Son

>>1984765
This kid is 9 years old now. I wonder how shitty his life has been so far?

>>1984317
>you will never pee under the stars with Zidane in a moment of male bonding...

>>1984774
His parents are imbecile. He can't be anything but an imbecile, video game name being the least of his problems. Genetics.

>>1984036
The story is fine. It's just that the gameplay consists of tapping x for hours on end while you sit through endless cutscene after endless cutscene. For some people, that's fine. For me, that's boring.

It's like in FFVII when you finally get out of Midgar, an the first place you stop is that hotel where you get like a six-hour flashback. Only it's a whole game.

>>1984036
There's Final Fantasy IX hate? I always heard it regarded as one of the best of the series. Where are people hating it at?

>>1984678

It's true there are people that ignore its flaws and call it the greatest game ever made, but that is true of any game in any storied series. I acknowledge and agree with most of those points, but I still think FFIX is my favorite Final Fantasy.

>>1984143
None of what you said applies to what I said.

>>1984036
I've come to realize that all people on /vr/ can do is point out flaws for games and simply refuse to enjoy games. Literally no imagination or change of viewpoints in any of the members of this board. Hence why I don't even bother arguing for games anymore, people like to shit on stuff just for the sake of it because they simply cannot enjoy anything unless it is 100% perfect which is not only impossible but completely dependent upon the individual.

>>1984170
Hiding load times.

I never minded the long fight intro because hearing those drums boom the oldschool FF battle beat was satisfying to me every time, and still is.

>>1984817
>It's true there are people that ignore its flaws and call it the greatest game ever made, but that is true of any game in any storied series.
More importantly, nobody says that about FFIX.

>>1984801
People are hating on the game because other people love it. It's basically the new FFVII. Or the Majora's Mask of the final fantasy series.

>>1984801
>There's Final Fantasy IX hate?
No. Some people love it, some find it ok, but there is no hate. Somebody ITT is imagining things.

Is it me or did this game have the best Final Fantasy ending?

>>1986278
I love FF9 to death and it's one of my favorite games ever but its ending feels like it's to the end to a game I missed the last 3/4 of.

Like the fact that Fratley and Puck are both pretty much presumed to be dead after Cleyra blows up and they both just show up in the ending with no explanation as to how they survived -- kind of like a lot of FF4's death copouts. It feels like they intended for more of the story to be told but were pressed for time or something.

>>1984036
The only real FF games are FFI, III, IV, V and 9. The rest are just games using FF assets.

>>1984036
I've only played 7 and 9, of the two I prefer 9.

>>1984036
The game is for furries. Out of the permanent playable characters only one is human.

>>1986934
Are you an idiot? Serious question.

>>1986315
Why not FFII?

>>1986938
He is. I'm his caretaker. Give the little guy a break.

>>1986961

FFII is technically a saga game, just without the open ended exploration and non linear structure.

Why would Final Fantasy IX-2 be terrible?

>>1988939

It wouldn't be if it focused on freya to make up for them fucking her over.

Also dragoon class best class.

>>1984678
> Battles are way too frequent.
> Battles take forever to load.
> Battles have a completely unskippable cinematic intro that makes you wait before you take control.
> Battles are hideously slow, even with max battle and text speed. Inexplicably even the characters preparing to attack take forever to do so.
Take some ritalin

> Trance is completely worthless. Ito was stupid for breaking the limit break mechanic like this.
Not completely.

> The ability system in this game is awful. You have to wear substandard equipment for ages in order to get useful abilities. And some are strongly recommended. Combine this with very low AP per battle (and the aforementioned battle issues) and you have a problem.
See the problem is you don't fight battles. You'll have to win the battles in order to recieve AP.

> Contast that with VII where even the optional characters got substantial amounts of attention.
Bullshit

> Speaking of mini-games all of them suck ass and apart from Chocobo's hot and cold don't even give any real rewards to you from playing them. I don't even mean anything game breaking few ethers or phoenix downs would be enough.
And other ff-games give rewards from mini games? Hot and cold is the only mini-game in the series that has any real rewards.

>>1988980

>Take some ritalin
The game has super slow battles and horrible load times, its not about ADD, its about sluggishness, the game is the slowest in the series, it doesn't kill it, but its a thing that exists.

Also
>implying zidanes ultima weapon is better than getting knights of the round and all the other shit from the gold chocobo in FF7

>>1984036
>The plot starts off very solid, but then falls apart almost immediately, while gameplay is all around bad.

Explain, I never felt this way at any point. Just saying this does not make it so at ALL.

>There's no sense of exploration, adventure or progress to gameplay

Again, all you. There's plenty of that, it felt great to travel and discover new locations, for fucks sakes, one of the sidequests takes you around the world in various coloured chocobo's you unlock, hunting for treasure, so horseshit.

>new items are the same as old ones, abilities are irrelevant

What does this mean? As you progress, the abilities you can learn from a weapon start to be ones you've learned before from a previous one? In which case that's true but you get so many abilities during the course anyway. Weapons also often give elem. effects or status effects like blood sword or whatnot. The entire learning system is based around weapons? Non-sensical gripe. Also if you think abilities are useless then you're skimming through the game with your finger lodged up your arse. Abilities are pretty darn game changingly vital,

>you're clearly told where to go and what to do there at all times.

Right...? How is this a bad thing?

>As for the story, it really falls apart at the end of disc 1, although it already starts to crumble heavily soon after you leave Lindblum.

I dont understand how you think it fell apart, especially not so soon. I admit that some parts indeed felt like they were just running with it to see what happens. Do you not see though how you're contradicting your last gripe though? You dont always know what you're doing and the goals arent always clear. Unlike something like FFIV for e.g, this one has quite a bit of uncertainty in it and adventure.

>Too bad, because visuals and music are lovely, and even the characters aren't all bad, unlike most FF games.

Well, I think in all of them you've got your fair share of Amarant's and Quina's.

>>1989072
Whoops sorry, this was meant for >>1984621

The point is people will bitch about the game when previous ones did it and much worse but they give it a free pass.

>>1989072
Sure, I'll explain.

The plot falling apart:
Instead of being a tale of sky pirates kidnapping a princess on the order of her uncle, it turns into a ridiculous race against a crazed bishie where everyone lacks clear motivations and convoluted plot points (each of which require extensive infodumps and whole new exposition segments) resolve into even more convoluted cop-outs - it's an evil queen, no it's a crazy magician - no it's an ancient civilization - no it's aliens - no it's a fucking deity. Compare that to "princess wants to run away from evil stepmother-queen; rogues kidnap her, but she allows it; rogues were hired by the uncle; the queen starts a war" to see what is an actual plot and what's a random potpourri of fantastic ideas.

Lack of the sense of adventure:
1. The game tells you where to go and what to do there. The essence of adventure is discovery, but the only time you're allowed to discover for yourself is when you leave the forest and enter the mist for the first time, which was indeed exhilerating and the best part of the game bar none.
2. There is no sense of accomplishment in earning or using euipment, and no sense of progress in character growth. There's no gravity behind getting a new sword or a new spell. Everything is generic. The only times something isn't just thrown in there randomly and inconsequentially is when Vivi and Steiner decide to cast together, and when Garnet gains eidolons.

>>1989074
>The point is people will bitch about the game when previous ones did it and much worse but they give it a free pass.
FFIX is shitty, but not as shitty as 7, let alone 8. It's about as shitty as 6, slightly less shitty than 4. Happy now?

>>1988939
For the exact same reason that FFIV: The After Years and FFX-2, they shit on plot and/or personalities of the characters from the original games and change them to fanfiction tier bullshit.

>>1988980
>And other ff-games give rewards from mini games? Hot and cold is the only mini-game in the series that has any real rewards.
Playing Triple Triad in FFVIII gives gamebreaking rewards. And while the minigames in FFVII didn't give any real rewards they were FUN unlike FFIX's minigames.

Also to comment the trance system:
>be fighting against Beatrix at the end of disc 1
>Beatrix ends the battle with Climhazzard
>everyone's trance bar fills up
>I have to watch through everyone's change to super-sayan animation for 10 fucking minutes for no reason
>battle ends right afterwards
Is there a good reason for the game having short versions of summon animations but not for this bullshit? This happens to me every fucking time I play FFIX

>>1989128
>And while the minigames in FFVII didn't give any real rewards
Think again, actually. Some of the most important items are only accessible in Gold Saucer, especially int he arena and chocobo races.

Chocobo Hot and Cold was one of the less entertaining minigames in the series. It was ridiculously repetitive.

>>1989171
>Chocobo Hot and Cold was one of the less entertaining minigames in the series. It was ridiculously repetitive.
That's what I have been saying for years, NO ONE would play Chocobo Hot and Cold if it didn't reward you with god tier equipment.

As for FFVII and Gold Saucer yea, you get Cloud's OmniSlash from the arena but that's about it. After I figured out that it's easier/faster to breed green, blue, black and gold chocobos when you CAN'T enter Gold Saucer (game apparently doesn't check the chocobo's class during this time) I haven't raced a single chocobo race for chore in order to get them all to S class to increase their changes to breed different kind of chocobos but only a few ones for fun.

>>1984591
Beatrix should have been a main character instead of Steiner

>>1989209
Just because everyone treated Steiner like shit didn't make him a bad character.

His character arc is much better than Beatrix with her "one second I'm happily committing genocide, the next you're supposed to pity me because I may have hurt Garnet."

>>1989226
Steiner was occasionally annoying, and his face was really fucking weird. I can easily get behind the hate.

I don't get all the Quina and Amarant hate. Every FF has oddball party members like Quina who can easily be ignored if you feel inclined to. And Amarant just wasn't very fleshed out, he's still a fun character to use once you get bored of your tenth Zidane/Steiner/Vivi/Dagger playthrough.

>>1989273

>using vivi instead of freya
>ever

>>1989240
People here actually hated Steiner? Jesus christ, this board is the worst.

>>1989285
Nobody hate him per se, because nobody has strong feeling about FFIX in general. But he wans't particularly lovable fo the aforementioned reasons: instead of being endearing and goofy, he was indeed plain annoying every now and then.

>>1984046
My first FF was 1 for NES

I fucking hated 9. Bored me to tears. I would rather sit in the FF1 shop and buy potions.

>>1989328

>I would rather sit in the FF1 shop and buy potions.

This may be the harshest criticism Ive ever heard about FF9.

>Final Fantasy IX hate

Is...Is there such a thing?
I've heard of people who hate how slow the combat is, but that's it.

>>1989336
Did...did you read the rhread?

>>1989349
It cant be more than one or at the very most 2 men samefagging it up.

>>1989302
>nobody has strong feeling about FFIX in general

You don't speak for everyone. Don't say dumb things like this.

>>1989349
The OP was obviously baiting for someone to make a shitpost war, you really can't base this thread as evidence.

Most of the people who like/have a sane opinion about the game have long since left the thread now, it's actually kind of old.

>>1989702
>The OP was obviously baiting for someone to make a shitpost war,

One reason why I really like /vr/: this thread actually stood up for a long time before someone took said bait.

I agree with >>1989425 though, that's typically who it is.

>>1989702
>it's actually kind of old.
It's 2 days old. By /vr/ standards, that's rather new.

>>1989702
>Most of the people who like/have a sane opinion about the game

Are you implying that liking FF9 is the only sane opinion? If you are, you're shitposting just as hard as they are.

>>1984774
He probably just goes by Seph, a kind of bastardization of Seth, for a slightly normal name.

FF9 is the only one of the FF games I like (1, 4-6, 9, and 12) that I cannot replay. I can stomp my way through all of those start to finish without giving up, but there's something about FF9 that keeps me from ever finishing it past the first time. Every time I try, I give up a little earlier, too.

It's the only one in the series that I feel this way about.

>>1990183
I played it a good amount of times, but my first two playthroughs I missed a ton of content, like a few active time events during some of the cities and a lot of quadmist content.

I wish active time events caught on. I liked the idea of the party members splitting up every time they visited a new city.

>>1984765
woah, he actually looks like sephiroth.

>>1984765
Any relationship where either parent is okay with naming their kid that is bound to fall apart. I'm willing to bet money there was a messy divorce within a year of that cute little bundle of tard being born. Can you imagine growing up with a name like that? Imagine being 9 and explaining to your friends or teacher where your name comes from, and that your parents are big enough fans of a shit game like FF7 to name their kid after the game's villain.

What a shit life that kid was born into. Poor little bastard.

>>1989702
>fighting bait with bait
>>>/v/

>>1990204
ATE was actually a great concept. Too bad the nrxt game made those impossible.

>>1990552
*next

>>1984036
The loading times are just too much.

>>1990552
>ATE was actually a great concept.
It's cutscenes-on-demand. Like "shit-in-your-face-on-button-press." There's nothing great about it.

I've only played a select few final fantasy games, and in order I'd rate them:

VI (9.9/10)
IV (9/10)
I (8.5/10)
V (8.2/10)
Tactics Advance (7.4/10)
Crystal Chronicles (6.5/10)
X (6/10)
II (2/10)

I know CC and tactics are spinoffs but who cares. Would you guys recommend any of seven through nine to me based off of how I felt about those particular games?

>>1984036
9 was definitely my favorite. I fucking love that game, was replaying through it again a couple months ago even.

>>1991998
You would probably like 7 and 9. I see people draw comparisons between 6 and 7, and 9 is kind of a throwback to the earlier games. 8 is a really polarizing game and something you just have to try on your own.

>>1992019
nine HAS throwbacks to earlier games but structurally it's in the same vein as 7 and 8

>>1992038
Yeah, I guess that's a better way to put it.

>>1986934
Amarant is also a human, kill yourself.

>>1984036
I... Wasn't aware there IS hate for FF IX. As far as I know, just about everyone lauds it as the last great FF, as vastly superior to the travesty that was FF VIII, and a fair few pick it over FF VII as well.

Not saying the game doesn't have flaws, but it's definitely one of the more acclaimed - by the players - games in the series.

>>1990213
Na. He will probably hate vidya and that´s it. Probably will read a lot and stay home in order to avoid the bullying in his life and to get away from this world and his shitty parents who failed him before even starting. I wish him luck.

>>1984036
when are you going to join the glorious race?

https://www.thunderclap.it/projects/17127-gamergate?locale=en

>>1992795
I don't HATE IX but it's got a lot of problems and I can't bring myself to play through it again.

>>1993195
and the world continued to spin.

final boss ruined it for me.

50-60 hours and you dump THAT on me?

>>1995238
50-60 hours and I beat the final boss with my whole party dead except for a berseker vivi doing about 50dmg/turn and with a regen that prevented him from being killed by the boss

still a better ff movie than advent children

>>1995778
Pretty sure you just got extremely lucky there. Grand Cross can sometimes inflict Death or Stone, and Neutron Ring does a ton of damage and is sometimes even casted right after Grand Cross or Blue Shockwave.

Makes me wanna try it out and record it, though.

>>1989098
Garnet had eidolons from the beginning, they just took 3 times the magic.

>>1991917
That's exactly why it was a good concept. The alternatives would be either forcing entirely optional cutscenes on a player that doesn't care or not including them at all, missing out on a chance to flesh out the characters and the world. Don't be a dumbass.

>>1997252
Which also was why it was interesting to finally get them, yes.

>>1997276
The alternative would have been telling a story through gameplay, or making a movie instead.

FFIX would have been better if Kuja had a second form to be fought as a final boss instead of SUDDENLY NECRON

FFIX would have been even better if you fought Zidane as a final boss at the end of disc 3. After all Zidane was designed to be an "Angel of Death" to be send to Gaia to incite war and destruction just like Kuja was. The game could have progressed pretty much the way it does now all the way to the "you are not alone" scene where Zidane would now pick up his intended role and the rest of the party would have to beat him, Kuja and Garland up to save both Gaia and Terra from them.

>>1997382
I've never played FF9 because it was boring as shit.

Everyone keeps telling me its the best FF.

Your spoiler just proved them all wrong.

>slow ass battle system
>Zidane is a boring MC
>Disc 3 shits the bed with the story
>cast is too big once again

Final Fantasy 9 has a lot of glaring flaws.

>>1997314
And how exactly are you going to tell a character's reaction to something in the town without dialogue through gameplay? With a fucking status effect? What are you talking about?

>>1984036
>I don't get all the Final Fantasy IX hate
It's the obnoxious people like you who force this game on everyones throats not the game itself

>>1984678
The ATB and text speeds are actually not the problem... The problem is a 1-2 second pause in the action when each player or enemy is about to act. Then add on a 20 sec battle intro that should take less than 5s and often lengthy spell animations starting in disk 2 and battles take forever.

2 sec for game to load animation, 10 sec of enemy dancing around to summon his attack, another 5-20sec for the actual spell animation = 17 - 32 sec per character act. Later in the game when battles last two rounds routinely is about 5-7.5 min per encounter.

That's really my main beef with the game and why I think it never caught on. Go play 7 or 6 afterward and it seems they are lightning fast compared to 9.

>>1984046
FF7 was my first and FF9 is my favourite.

>>1986315

That makes absolutely no sense. How is FF IV more of a FF game than VI or VI?

FFIX was an amazing game, and the last truly amazing entry in the main franchise, however it wasn't perfect by any stretch.

There were many points where the game seemed to prioritize references to other entries over the actual plot, character development for a couple of characters stopped later in the game(Freya literally dropped off the face of the Earth after disc two), it was extremely linear(even more so than VII and VIII), the battle load times are awful, the whole thing with Zidane and Kuja felt rushed and didn't make much sense.

It was awesome, but not perfect.

FFIX it's my favorite game ever.
I remember playing it back in the day and loving it so much.

Then when i got a PS3, the very first digital game i got was IX, and guess what? I hated it at first, those long battles were too much, i didn't even remembered them beeing so slow...

But then i got used to it, and loved again.

So yeah, it is slow, but you can get used to it.. hopefully.

>>1984046
my first FF was 8, then went back and played 7.

9 ended up being and still is my favourite FF after playing 6, 10 and 12 as well.

guess it's just personal taste, I absolutely love 9

>>2001024
>That makes absolutely no sense.

Only explanation I can think of:

FF games he likes = real FF games
FF games he dislikes = fake FF games

I could honestly go the route and say that VI is more of an FF game than IV because it offers more in character customization/freedom, which was a feature of the series since 1. But I won't make that argument because 1) it's fucking stupid and 2) IV is every bit as much FF as VI is.

I like FF9 allthough I really don't like Zidane and the battles are so slow. Otherwise it's pretty fun but not my favorite.

Oh and last boss was a joke(but he had cool music!).

FFIX is, and will always be, my favorite Final Fantasy, and one of my favorite games of all time. However, it is a DEEPLY flawed game, and I totally understand why some people can't get past the incredibly slow battle speed and the wonky third act of the story. It's all about the characters and the worldbuilding for me, and if that's not enough to carry you through the game, then no, you won't like it. For me, it's enough to completely make up for the flaws of the game, but I admit to a heavy amount of rose-tinted nostalgia working its voodoo on me.

>>2001132
I don't know if linearity is a complaint I'd throw at the game. It is totally linear, no doubt, but I feel like it hides it well. There's always a lot of shit to do in pretty much every city and dungeon; treasure hunting, side-quests, mini-games. Even just minor stuff, like finding the knights as Steiner in the beginning, or looking for all the ATEs.

To me, FFVII felt waaaay more linear; once you leave Kalm, the entire rest of Disc 1 is just the game dragging you on a sightseeing tour with "Oh, a man in a black cloak? Yeah, you juuuuuust missed him. He went to the next dungeon, you should head there!" without anything to really break it up other than some character bits. FFVII is still a great game in my opinion, but I'd definitely say the linearity hurt that one more than IX.

>>1989275

Zidane, Steiner, Freya, and Eiko for life.

Don't worry Freya, me'n this nigga right here will never forget.

>>2001905
In terms of efficiency: Zidane, Freya, Amarant, Steiner
In terms of characters I like: Zidane, Freya, Vivi, Steiner. Eiko is acceptable as a replacement for one of these.

>>2001939

Zidane, Freya, Eiko and Vivi, two OTPs for the price of one.

>>1984046

My first was VIII and while I kind of hold it in a special place, I came to understand how much I disliked it later.

I played IX a couple of years ago. The OST, the characters, everything just clicked with me. It reminded me more of the traditional RPG games that were medeival-ish in nature. I like technology, cyberpunk, etc as much as the next guy but I'm a huge nerd for swords and sorcery if done well. IX didn't have an amazing story, it started strong and progressively got kind of weird. I think it would have been a better game if the scope wasn't saving the world, but "saving the world" is like a tradition with FF so it's sort of understandable why it went that way.

IX is not a perfect game but holy mother of god is there so much that I love about it. I could probably write an entire article on everything I like, but I play the game and get this "feeling" that I never got from any other FF. It can't be nostalgia because I literally picked it up for the first time a few years ago.

>>2001905
>her quote is about being forgotten
>game forgets about her halfway through

Sasuga Squaresoft.

One of my top fav FF games because of sexy Freya Crescent whom I still have a huge crush on. She should've been Zidane's interest not Garnet.

>>2002207
Wasn't it implied they had a fling in the past or something?

>>2002251
Only if you're going into the game with shipper's glasses on. It mentions that they were friends five years ago, and Zidane calls her pretty, but Zidane flirts with literally every female in the game.

>>1984036
I loved it so much installed it on my phone.