/vr/ - Retro Games

Nothing beats the classic which defined how controllers are designed to the present day.

>>1981164
Why didnt the dreamcast have this kind of d-pad on its original controller under the analog? I mean they have been doing it this way since Genesis. But no they put some blocky shit on it instead.

>>1981186
Why didn't they let you use Saturn controllers on it?
The 3D Pad would've been neat to use

>>1981198
I honestly think sega just wanted themselves to fail. The dreamcast prototypes have saturn controller ports.

>>1981223
Because it was planned to have Saturn B/C, but it was too costly. Though Bernie Stolar is still a cunt

>>1981227
Just because they drop backwards compatibility with games doesn't mean they need to drop controllers.

>>1981164
Dreamcast is not retro.
>>>/vr/rules
>This board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games. Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other games on platforms launched in 1999 or earlier. Sixth generation and later consoles are not considered retro.
The last part exist specifically to outlaw the Dreamcast, there is no other reason for it to exist as no other sixth generation console was released before 2000.

The current sticky is wishful thinking of one mod and does not represent a change in rules or rule enforcement.
The Dreamcast will not be allowed until moot personally says so and changes the rules accordingly.

>>1981164
I can't find one, w2c?

>>1981282
cry more bitch nigga

>>1981282
qq mor fgt

>>1981186
DC was the first system they really built for 3D games, so it's not surprising they went with a primarily analog controller. It's kind of ironic, considering some of its best games were fighters.

>>1981286
Cry more about your Dreamcast threads getting deleted.

>>1981282
Read the sticky, faggot.
>With the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro", though the remainder of the sixth generation (Xbox, PS2, GameCube) will not.

>>1981296
The sticky is lying to you. The rules are the part that matters and gets enforced.
How does that shit even make sense? the last console of one generation gets released and suddenly the first console of another is allowed but not the rest? It's just one DC loving mod abusing his powers.

>>1981293
>your

>>1981305
>The sticky is lying to you.
It's stickied, locked, and posted with a mod capcode, you fucking moron.

>>1981305
Because the dreamcast lifespan was like 2 years. Also the PS2 is largely garbage and that kind of thing belongs in /v/.

>>1981309
Unless it's an admin capcode it's irrelevant in this context. moot makes the rules and mods aren't moot even when they'd like to be.

>>1981315
Fuck off policeman wannabe

>>1981315
So how's global rule 8 treating you?

>>1981315
Why does it bother you so much? This isn't even really a dreamcast thread, it's a controller thread. Did your gf leave you for a guy with a DC?

>>1981282
What is this, 2013?

>>1981321
Never got banned under it if that's what you're asking.

>>1981325
I'm trying to be helpful. If people are confused because DC related posts were deleted then they should understand that moot's rules still apply and that the DC being allowed is a farce.

>>1981335
>I'm trying to be helpful.
How is crying like a little girl helping?

>>1981164
that controller is awesome I found one at value village for 4.99, bought it with 4 other doodads and ended up getting it for free.

>>1981305
>muh generations

fuck off autist not all your blocks have to be in a perfect line largest to smallest.

>>1981348
>throws and smashes blocks, then cries until moot comes into the room to comfort him

Look, I didn't support an exception for the DC, and I still don't agree with it, but shitposting about it now just lowers you to the level of the shitposters that kept spamming DC threads when it wasn't allowed. Complain to moot, his email isn't hard to find or anything.

On the subject of the thread, I always liked the PSX controller the best. NES always made my hands hurt, SNES was alright, but the PSX was the first controller I picked up that felt right.

>>1981305

You are a moron

>>1981348
Why would they allow 1999 PC games like Unreal Tournament, Quake 3, EverQuest, etc., but not the Dreamcast? How was the Dreamcast ever considered an exception to the 1999 and earlier rule? More likely than not, the person complaining about the DC is a Nintendo shill.

>>1981378
Not the person you are talking to, but PC and consoles were divided differently. The line needed to be set somewhere, but it would be weird to cutoff games for consoles by year, so they went with the generations. And 5th generation was considered the end, and DC is 6th generation, so...

Can we discuss favorite retro controllers now?

>>1981386
>Can we discuss favorite retro controllers now?
Yes. I am partial to the Rhino controller for the SNES.

Had a nice feel, was heavier than the normal SNES pads, and had turbo buttons. It was my favorite SNES pad.

>>1981378
Why would they allow PS1 games from 2000 but not PC games from the same time? It's arbitrary.

>>1981386
I'm saying generations aren't a thing, thats something a bunch of shitheads on wikipedia made up to calm their raging autistic OCD. Consoles overlap there is no clear cut generations between each system you have things like the TG16 which is like an 8 bit machine with 16 bit graphics but its a fourth gen console even though it doesn't really fall clearly into one gen or the other. Generations are stupid, picking a cutoff date like january 1, 2000 is cut and dry I don't know how anyone can complain about that.

>>1981404
Back when /vr/ started, I suggested that the cutoff on PC should be hardware-accelerated 3D.

>>1981442
That mainly made sense back when the fifth generation wasn't allowed.
I prefer to cut between DOS and Windows 3 on one side and Windows 95 on the other. There were plenty of DirectDraw games that would otherwise get a pass. Hardware accelerated DOS games are few in numbers and often just optional patches.

>>1981404
PS1 architecture remained unchanged or relatively similar to release hardware. PC was constantly searching for Eden.

So is this a moving the goalposts thread? Why not just follow the sticky for fuck's sake?

>>1981164
I want one

>>1981470
Because if we follow the sticky we can't turn it into an 8/16 bit console only board, which is what a certain group of users probably wants. Just like adding consoles is a slippery slope as far as topic creep goes, so is removing certain consoles from the topic. Just leave it alone.

>>1981404
You are right! We should allow games on PC relative to the games on the consoles! Last game released on the PSX was in 2005, so we should allow all PC games up to 2005. It would be arbitrary to allow PC games but not console games from 2005, so PS2 and XBox would obviously need to be allowed. And the last PS2 game was released in 2013, so there's no arbitrary reason to not allow PC games from 2013.

And then we are /v/ 2.0.
>>1981441
>I'm saying generations aren't a thing, thats something a bunch of shitheads on wikipedia made up
And yet everyone I knew referred to consoles by generation by the time the 5th generation was appearing. Wikipedia didn't show up till 2001. Explain how they don't exist and wikipedia invented them.

>>1981470
Why not follow the rules? Why should the sticky be more important?

>>1981489
The Dreamcast is one of the consoles that pisses on the idea of "generations" of consoles. That's why you guys want to see it disappear from /vr/. It came out when the PSX and N64 dominated. It had vastly more powerful hardware plus online gaming, but not enough to compete with the PS2, Xbox, and Dreamcast. While most of these generation breaking consoles such as the 3DO, Jaguar, and 32X failed with the Dreamcast being the only one that even had a shot at greatness.

I'm just going to head over and drop something in the suggestion box, asking moot to update the rules page because apparently a moderator-posted-and-approved sticky isn't enough to get autists to stop shitposting.

I'm sorry this thread has been ruined by "rulefag" (it goes in quotes because they aren't even following the rules) shitposters. OP, in the future, just make a controller thread, and if your thread was accidentally deleted, don't make mention of it in the OP.

And shame on EVERY SINGLE PERSON who responded to the shitposter and helped derail the thread. Why the FUCK are you trying to justify yourselves for posting stuff that moderators have CLEARLY okayed for posting? Don't even bother next time. Just ignore.

>>1981498
Because the mods are 99.999999% more likely to enforce the sticky compared to the global rules.

Racism, image macros, and catchphrases violate global rule 3 when posted outside of /b/ but no one gets banned for them

>>1981484
I don't mind Acorn Archimedes or FM Towns or even 3DO and Jaguar. They're all old and irrelevant.
Cutting at late 94 is just more intuitive point since more stuff happened back then than just the release of the PS1 and Saturn.

>>1981498
The sticky IS the rules. It was posted by the moderator who is in charge of this board.

>>1981518
It's not a global rule and I've seen enough Dreamcast threads and posts get deleted in the past year to know that the moderation is still enforcing it.

>>1981512
I don't want it to disappear, I want people to stop futzing with the rules. Enough of the damn projecting. For fucks sake, I don't hate the damn Dreamcast, I owned a Dreamcast! I had SA, Soul Caliber, Crazy Taxi, the two fishing games AND the controller, and Jet Set Radio. I thought it was a great console, but I still recognize the reasoning and logic behind the generation rule for consoles. All your arguments have been so far is "It's arbitrary" and other BS, with no explanation of the reasoning behind it. If you want to convince me, you will need to do more than say "WELL IT JUST IS!" like a two year old.
>It had vastly more powerful hardware plus online gaming, but not enough to compete with the PS2, Xbox, and Dreamcast.
Do you even know what you are arguing FOR anymore?
>>1981498
>I don't know board sticky's contain board specific rules!
>I'm just pretending to be retarded
Fuck off.

Now does anyone want to talk about controllers or not?

>>1981528
So why do you feel the need to shitpost all over the threads then?

>>1981526
Moderators aren't assigned to boards, they're all global on 4chan. Rules are made my moot exclusively.

>>1981535
So then why hasn't moot "corrected" the sticky? Face it, you're talking out your ass. Just stop shitposting alread.

>>1981531
You are combining my arguments with those of at least two or three anons. I know what you guys want, a 2D-only "classic gaming" type board for 8/16 bit games like Mario, Zelda, and Sonic. I know this because it has happened on other retro gaming related websites/message boards and it will happen here. I would not be surprised if there is a lot more hostility towards PC gaming on /vr/ in the near future. If you read closely, several anons have suggested adding MORE restrictions and removing the fifth generation as an acceptable topic.

>>1981534
Because I don't see it as "shitposting".
There is a huge problem arising when people don't understand why a post or thread was removed.

>>1981546
>There is a huge problem arising when people don't understand why a post or thread was removed.
No, there isn't. They can get recommended for a ban by the janitor, and can then get warned/banned by the mod/admin and see what's up.

Derailing threads because you feel like throwing a hissyfit over the board moderation is shitposting. Leave.

>>1981545
>I know what you guys want,
Projecting again? Ok, I give up. You don't want to discuss, you just want to argue. I already told you I don't want the DC gone.

OP, Mods, someone, please delete thread.

>>1981548
The thread started with complaining about the moderation so it's clearly not a derailing.

>>1981557
>>1981545
What he is describing actually does happen quite often. This is because the 8-bit/16-bit era is often viewed as a "golden age" of console gaming. If you mention something older than the NES, few people will remember or care about those systems anymore. The early 3D era is often only seen as quasi-retro, but as the '90s kids continue to age this belief has waned. I haven't seen any major attacks on PC gaming on /vr/ and it is totally unwarranted to say that the anti-Dreamcasters want to expel the PC gamers from here. The high amount of PC-related topics on this board is a good thing because it discourages fighting between console generations.

>>1981545
>80's console games acceptable
>80's PC games unacceptable
I will leave and never come back if that becomes true. Not my fault if you were too young or too poor to afford a C64 or Amiga back then.

What the fuck are you all arguing about

HOLY SHIT!
everyone shut the fuck up.
i will, in my far infinite wisdom, solve this caveman arguing so you can ooga booga about whether the SNES or GENESIS is better, ok?


Here is a SIMPLE FUCKING SOLUTION:
Include fucking dreamcast.

Here is why: each gen after 4th had 3 systems per gen.

nes/master system/ other shit

snes/genesis/ other shit

N64/playstation/saturn/ other shit

dreamcast

ps2/xbox/gamecube


OH, WAIT A FUCKING MINUTE HERE!
THERE IS A SYSTEM THAT CAME AFTER 5TH GEN, BUT BEFORE 6TH GEN!!!!

since it isn't 6th gen, SHUT THE FUCK UP.
it's before 6th fucking gen, so stop trying to include a system that was dead by 2000/01

I am 1000% right, don't dispute this shit faglords, I AM RETRO INCARNATE.

>>1981658
THANK BASED LORD OF THE RETRO VIDYA
PRAISE BE

>>1981658
I agree. The Dreamcast was an outlier between the 5th and 6th generations, as I suggested earlier. It should still be included on this board. The Dreamcast actually died before the PSX did so it is definitely retro.

>>1981481
Man, so much this, but I am pretty happy using the standard Saturn pads, anyway.

It's pretty obvious that this was the model for those Street Fighter Pads that came out for the PS2 and XBox back in the day. Pretty cool.

>>1981859
It's something that I always wondered and wanted to know: what makes the Saturn controller that good? What did it add to the Mega Drive controller?

>>1982890
>What did it add to the Mega Drive controller?
Which one? The dpad on the 3-button controller wasn't very good. While the 6-button mode controller is similar, used a different molding & lacked L&R buttons. But shared a similar dpad with the Saturn.

As for what makes it so good, that's simple; a great dpad. The unusual face buttons help too, because your finger can press combinations like A+Y, B+Y, C+Z in a more natural way than you would if they were all the same size & lined up evenly. This is because on the curvature of the molding & the way you grip that curvature.

>>1981164
Ooh my, is that official? I want it.

>>1983408
The Saturn controller also has L and R buttons, so it's really nice to use if you're emulating both Genesis and SNES games.

ITT: Serious business

My fav is probably the 6-button Mega Drive controller.

>>1981164
That looks sweet, want.

>>1984395
...re-read what I wrote, I said the MODE controller lacked L&R buttons. Which implies that they were ADDED to the Saturn controller.

>>1983408
Megadrive 3-button pad had 2-3 different dpads. They made a shit load of those controllers. One of the variants had inverted d-pad on the bottom of the pcb, and the d-pad mechanism had a stick going through the board and pushed the buttons through that. Other ones just had a flat disc with small edges for the four directions, embedded in the top shell, hitting the membranes underneath them on the top of the pcb.

>>1981164
I wish 6 face buttons were standard

>>1981164
Official controller wise, I'd say the 3D Sega Saturn controller

3rd party wise, this beauty.