/vr/ - Retro Games

Sega Pluto
Saturn with NetLink

>>1974000

with all the shit Sega could have done they couldn't have just made an full Sega genesis with CD and 32X built in

Not retro, but you guys have got to see this; I think it takes the grand title of "strange".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQzo78zOPME

>>1974000

Never heard of it

>>1974607
>not retro
MODS MODS MODS

>>1974607
>I think it takes the grand title of "strange".

What it does is cement Sega as making only piss poor stuff for the last decade.

oh wow the report worked

>>1975952
Isn't it great when that happens.

JVC XEYE

Sega CDX, but actually outputs a much higher sound quality.
Was released in America for upwards to $400 dollars in Japan for the exchange of $650

I can play Sega 32X games, but sadly no Power Base.

>>1974000

Sega really was a complete mess of a company.
They should have simply released a Saturn which played Genesis and CD games, skipped over the 32x and waited for the real Saturn launch.

>>1977478
Backwards compatible Saturn would've been impossible, it would've held back the system so much that it would've been insane. And this is before adding the clusterfuck of a design that was the Sega CD.

They could've done a Megadrive Converter Cart for the Saturn though - it would've been a literal Megadrive-on-a-lock-on-cart, outputting the screen to the Saturn. I think it would've needed an extra power supply though.

>>1977504

There's no point to that, you might as well just make a straight-up Genesis.

>>1977858
looks a lot nicer than a toilet bowl style

>>1977820
This is a really nice mockup

Kinda like GameNavi Hi-Saturn MMP-1000NV, but this is a Fujitsu FM Towns Marty. In fact, I'm sure this not only predates the Saturn, but inspired it.

Probably made specifically for the VIP and Vanning Zoku.

>>1977990
In case some of you don't remember the Marty...

>>1977956
I have a working 5200 trak ball, it's actually really great.

>>1978039
That thing fun with bowling and such? What games worked best with it?

>>1978056

>>1978056
>>1978062

Gigadrive? Anyone have any clue whatsoever???

...because I don't.

these threads have gotta stop. My wallet is aching to donate shekels to the goyim

>>1978096
No anon! Not your precious Shekels!

>>1974003
Does it work?

>>1977816
Proof that Yokoi had much better plans for the final product than what we got.

>>1978096
>>1978113
All truth be told, though. These threads only continue so long as people bump and say they want more, otherwise I wouldn't post.

>>1978056
Was pippin meant to be an everything platform? TV, laptop, game system?

>>1978118
Yes, that was a working prototype, the Neptune , however, was just a mockup. You can, however, make your own working Neptune.

>>1978131
Yeah, I've seen the fan-made neptune before. Cool mod.

>>1978129
Sort of. It was an internet capable multimedia console. Cool in concept, but fell on its face and broke it's nose in practice. Look at the shitty framerate in "Racing Days" and you'll see my point.

>>1978134
Fan made?
Or fake?
There's a difference.

>>1979532
Fan-made. You can get a pile of ribbon cables and solder a 32X directly onto a Genesis motherboard.

>>1979532
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSTCHG_XFco

Does anyone know what the hell I'm looking at?

>>1977478
agreed, but hindsight is always 20/20.

>>1979943
watch more gccx

For hotel room gaming.

>>1979963
Holy shit. Nostalgia.

>>1979963
I remember those! I don't remember them having a non-standard looking analog stick though. Interesting.

>>1980276
shiet. it looks superior, too!

>>1979943
Game & Watch Micro VS System

The controllers double as a spool for the cables and it all stores inside the unit.


I know, clean that shit up ... wonder if that's related to the LCDs on all my G&Ws going to shit.

>>1979963
I remember being 11 or 12, and my friend and I paying for 10 minutes of Paper Mario onto our room service.
We got to watch the opening cutscene.

>>1974003
>>1974000
I remember when all these sega consoles were coming out as a kid. It was completely rediculous. When new consoles came out it was so cool, but sega was like every 6 months, "HEY FUCKERS NOW WE HAVE GENESIS, PLUS 32x PLUUUUS GAME GEAR FOR YOUR TV ALL IN ONE!"

Even though I loved sega i gave up until the dreamcast and then my heart exploded.

>>1977504
I'm sure the hardware in the Saturn could have been made to emulate the Genesis.

>>1980437
Nope, even the dreamcast has problems with megadrive emulation.

>>1979963
I used to waste my dad's money playing Majora's Mask on business trips with these

>>1980358
Ah. Cool

>>1980358
I've read about the Game and Watch, but I've never seen one....at least not one like that.

>>1979963
I wonder what the hardware that drove this looked like. A bank of consumer N64s attached to some other hardware?

>>1980276
>>1980301
Well, according to some eBay listings, they had varieties with N64 and with GC style analog sticks.

>>1983917
The games were streamed. Spam filter isn't letting me post the link, but google Lodgenet N64 System and the first link has some information.

>>1983948
Holy shit, N64 RAM cartridge with a SCSI interface. That's fucking awesome.

>>1977786
Xbox One

MD&MEGA ADAPTOR

>>1960071

>>1985709
holy shit that ad looks so modern

>>1983928
Yeah, there was a GC one, but I didn't post it because even though GC/Xbox/PS2 are retro, they're still against the rules. I also have pictures of a Nintendo Dolphin devkit (this was the development codename for the GameCube) that I'm not going to post.

This idea just has "bad" written all over it.

???

>>1968204

>>1985910
>>1968204

>>1985873
What possible advantage does this have over just putting the controller on the floor if you're so inclined to play that way?

>>1985896
hahahahahaha what?

>>1985896
I'm guessing it's a manual rapid fire device, letting you work against stronger springs?

>>1960132
>>1960096
>>1960089
>>1960085
>>1966002

>>1986038
I don't think it had any advantage at all, I think it was just a shit idea.

>>1986081
meant to post this one.

>>1985860
wow... I actually remember turning the page to this in a comic book. Sooooo fucking cool.

>>1986038
Just to play devils advocate, whenever I've had to just press a button as fast as possible in a game, like those old sports games, I've just used my index finger.

Did anything like this really exist? Anyone have information on it?

Funfact: unused Atari Jaguar shells were used to make a dental scope

>>1978062
That's painfully late '90s/early '00s and I love it.

>>1986169
forgot the fucking pic....and obviously, I'm talking about the real life contemporary kei tora, not the model.

http://www.hobbymedia.it/43875/aoshima-game-center-il-camion-salagiochi

>>1986195
The molds were, the company the uses them now, will actually sell you white Jag shells if you so order them.

>>1977432
I always thought that thing was a real sexy machine. Only things I don't like about it are the strange colored power and reset buttons, and the lack of Sega branding on it. If I could find one of those for cheap, I might use it as my primary Genesis, but they aren't cheap at all.

>>1986205

>>1986198
Can you spot Gilbert Godfrey?

>>1984219

>>1986195
Just what are they using the cartridge & slot for?

>>1978082
Pretty sure that's an early CDX.

>>1978082
http://segaretro.org/Sega_Jupiter

Giga Drive? I heard M2 talk about it, It's close to the Sega Saturn in terms of hardware but uses 1 68030 chip rather then 2 SH-2 chips, weaker video hardware (but supports triangle unlike the Saturn) but more powerful sound hardware, no DRam but can play Genesis & Sega CD games through a BC chip and uses it's own 32X adapter (no extra AC adapter and no video link cable as the pins used for ground for Master System mode have been replaced with the needed audio/video in & out pins for the Giga Drive 32X.

It would of been called the Sega Jupiter in North America.
>>1986607
That picture said that that was a 32-bit system, not 16-bit, it's not the CDX.

>>1986815
Here are the Jupiter's specs.

Main CPU: 1 Motorola 32-Bit 68030 at 33MHz, can be clocked down to 7.67MHz (7.61 for Pal units) for Genesis play back.

Sound CPU: Motorola 16-Bit 68000 at 11.47/12.5MHz, the later is for Sega CD play back.

Main Video: 6 background layers, 24-Bit color, 350,000 sprites/bare quadrangles, 200,000 textured quadrangles, no per line limit, 200,000 polygons per second, can do everything the Saturn can do otherwise.

Sound: Almost the same as the Saturn, but dose support audio decompression and better FM support with WSG, PSG & White Nose support, the chip is know as the YMF295, Genesis & Sega CD sound also come from this chip as well, 32 channels.

Ram:1MB (8 Megabits) SDRAM
512K (4 Megabits) video RAM
256Kx2 (2x2 Megabits) framebuffer RAM
1MB (8 Megabits) BC chip RAM/Extra RAM
512KB (4 Megabits) audio RAM
512KB (4 Megabits) CD-ROM cache
32KB nonvolatile RAM (battery backup)
1MB (8 Megabits) BIOS ROM

Backwards Compatibility: A chip with the Z80, Genesis VDP, Sega CD Scaling and SN76489 built in.

>>1978131
>DIY Neptune

How?

>>1986815
>>1986823
Jupiter was supposed to be the same thing as Saturn, just using cartridge media.

Saturn originally used a NEC V60, but they heard the Playstation specs and changed it to dual SH2s.

For the Gigadrive, we have NO known specs. It is RUMORED to be based on a more powerful Sega arcade machine from circa 1991. But I can tell you right away that with that form factor, it couldn't have had full Megadrive and Mega CD compatibility for sure.

>>1986936
Shit load of soldering, and a modded VRM.

>>1986038
It was made to attempt to emulate arcades, since you'd be pressing the buttons with your index and middle fingers instead of your thumbs.

That said it is retarded and the it doesn't really work with the D-Pad.

>>1986967
M2 said other wise.
http://www.mtwo.co.jp/en

As for the Saturn, that is true, Jupiter was going to use a 68030 at 33MHz.

Jupiter & Giga Drive were the same thing, Jupite was going to be the Giga Drive's US name was all when Pal markets & Japan called it the Giga Drive.

See >>1978082

>>1987068
>M2 said other wise.

Can't find a single source for that.

>As for the Saturn, that is true, Jupiter was going to use a 68030 at 33MHz.

Again, no source anywhere.

>Jupiter & Giga Drive were the same thing, Jupite was going to be the Giga Drive's US name was all when Pal markets & Japan called it the Giga Drive.

OK, that sounds plausible, but again, no source anywhere.

This picture: >>1978082
it is most likely some kind of mock up or design test - judging by the size alone, it would've been impossible for this to play Sega CD stuff in 1991 when the screenshots were found. The Megadrive consisted of 2 ASICs, a 68k, a z80, a ym2612 and many ram chips at the time, and you couldn't physically fit all of those in a case ~15cm in diameter - let alone the extra Sega CD stuff. The CDX did something similar but it was made in 1994 when they already reduced the Megadrive to 3-4 chips in total, and it still had to use two PCBs inside.

Not to mention that the specs here:
>>1986823
are bullshit for a 68030, it just cannot push that many polygons, and you cannot just include a secondary sound cpu used for sega cd... the sega cd just didn't work that way.
It also doesn't help that the YMF295 was an OPL4 that wasn't available until late 1994 originally (and the YMF295 itself was a revision of that, that came out MUCH later).

All of that plus the z80, genny vdp, Mega CD Scaler... a machine with such specs would, in 1994, cost WAY more than what the Saturn did, would be three times as complex, and quite possibly much weaker as well... not to mention 1991 when the first Gigadrive rumors, and that image, surfaced.

>>1987102
This interview will help.
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/12/03/emulating-megadrive-3ds-isnt-easy-enter-3d-sonic-hedgehog/

That was a prototype, most of Sega press models are just empty shells as was the case with the Sega Neptune.

The Sega YMF295 was a updated version of the YMF292, note the F on the end of the chip, this would of been called the YMF295-F chip to tell apart from the stander YMF295.

The Jupiter/Giga Drive did have it's own 32X adapter if that helped.

>>1987117
Also that interview talks about using the 68030 CPU and the extra video hardware to expand the layers of scrolling to expand the Genesis background layers from 2 to 8 (2 + 6, the Genesis does the sprite work and the first or first 2 background layer(s), the Jupiter does the rest).

the 68030 chip was use so that they can use native 68000 Genesis code and for the extra video hardware which needed the extra CPU power.

bump

>>1987117
That interview indicates that "giga drive" is something M2 made up for their emulator.

>>1977913
Just to round things off. The Zemmix MSX Neo. It's an MSX2+ implemented on what is (I believe) an Altera DE0 FPGA. It also has a built-in scanline generator, and supports the MIDI-PAC.

http://lastfantasy.net/130167769147
http://www.msx.org/forum/msx-talk/hardware/zemmix-neo-project-korea-ocm-based-zemmix-cnced-case?page=0

>>1989042
And of course the 1chipMSX from D4E, the guys behind MSX games on the Virtual Console. It also uses an Altera DE0 FPGA, and supports the MIDI-PAC. No scanline generator though. Like the Zemmix Neo it sports VGA out and S-Video out, and comes with two cart slots. Also out of production.

http://www.msx.d4e.co.jp/1chipmsx.html

>>1989051
>>1989042
And then there is the non-hardware, the DE-series FPGAs themselves. If they supported joysticks and carts, they wouldn't be much different from the other two. Setting one up is typically just a case of buying a DE0 or DE1, putting Caro's implementation of the 1chipMSX on it, and then getting the right files for your FAT16 SD card (MSX-DOS and BIOS).

Currently there are people trying to tie all these things together by creating a daughter-board for the DE1. With any luck by next year you'll be able to buy a DE1, buy a daughter board and case, and end up with a brand-new MSX2+ with SD card and VGA support. Likely for a lot less than importing a hitbit.

>Caro's implementation of OCM for the DE0 and DE1
http://caro.su/
>CustomMSX project page
http://custommsx.com/doku.php?id=en:start

>>1989067
Would that give people the tools needed to finally complete an MSX laptop?

>>1989164
Sure. If you could live on SD-card loading only, you could probably make one quite quickly. As with most projects, the casing would be the hard part because you can't just get one off the shelf.

>>1974003
That looks pretty sleek actually

>>1977786
What is this? CDi?

>>1977996
Oh shit it's a PS2

>>1989265
Panasonic M2. Google it if you don't know what it is.

>>1989023
M2 said that they had to dig up "lost hardware" to get said extra video layers for said games.

It also uses a 68030 so that it can power that extra video hardware as well, Sega might still be making consoles if they lowered down their specs to have Genesis BC instead of having powerful hardware that is hard to work with so that they killed it off early and replaced it with the Dreamcast.

>>1989051
>http://lastfantasy.net/130167769147
I HAVE A MIGHTY NEED

>>1989265
Filename
>>1977786
You just reminded me how we will never see the original D2 besides that one video of the son swinging a sword.

>>1989265
No, this is a CDi.

>>1986815
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>>1987102
>>1987117
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>>1989338
It pleases me to see that there are people taking a genuine interest in the content of this thread and actually providing very fascinating information to it rather than just me shitposting a lot of pics. Thank you for such great contributions.

>>1989051
>>1989042
I'd be lying if I said I didn't want one. MSX has piqued my interest since I learned of its existence.

>>1989067
To be able to play games ff an SD card with English patches would be absolutely awesome.

Looking at the thing from the outside, it reminds me of the inner workings of a MegaSqurt ECU. Semi off-topic, but they always seemed to love using those blue motherboards.

>>1989820
At least there was the Dreamcast version, no?

What happened to the old thread? I though it would be safe in the archive...

>32-X
>strange

Loved that system so much. The epitome of retro 3D. I still load up Shadow Squadron now and then.

>>1990663
Some people who worked on the 3DO and the Atari Jaguar worked on the Nuon, which was a chip that was licensed to DVD players and gave them gaming capabilities and enhanced multimedia support, it had games like Iron Soldier 3 and Tempest 3000.

>>1990981
I remember that! It went under the name "Project X" while in development. It got covered every now and then in mags like EGM.

Watched this recently, and learned a bit from it. Talks about the Commodore Amiga CD32.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKgkZ3jjxbE

wonder swan color
GBAmicro
GBA sp

Somebody unfucked it!

>>1994213
fuck that looks great

>>1994216

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>>1994213
dpad a little weird tho. too close to the others.

>>1994219
They're going for about $60 on Amazon. = /

http://www.amazon.com/Nintendo-64-Hori-Mini-Pad-Controller/dp/B000031KAG

>>1994240
No, they're not. That "$60" is actually "$60.00
+ $28.80 shipping". And that's one of the cheaper ones on that page.

>>1994330
Yeah...fuck that. May as well just buy an assload of them for about 500 yen each over in Japan and sell them for about $10 each on Ebay.

>>1994489

>>1994489
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>>1994461

http://www.gamesniped.com/2012/12/20/new-leaf-entertainment-game-factory-development-cartridge-for-sega-genesis/