/vr/ - Retro Games

===NEWS===

Randy has been working on porting Blood stuff to ZDoom! Could this mean Bloodites can finally get a day to shine?

Aliens: Ultimate Doom is a texture/enemy replacement mod that takes Doom levels and reskins them to Aliens! http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=45213

Another Dark Forces TC? Will it be better than Ryan's? (Probably not) http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=46173

Some dork's been working on a site for us to replace the old, shitty one! Will this one thrive or will it flop as well? http://万板.縮.jp/

Got an itch for realism? Shattered Tranquility is a super-early WIP aiming for slightly more realistic weapons and weapon behaviors. http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=46650

Here's a music stream that only plays Doom music, 24/7; feel free to listen if you're interested http://liquiddoom.net/

We've been featured on Doomworld! Well, sort of. /newstuff Chronicles gave 200 Minutes of /vr/ a pretty favorable review. http://doomworld.com/php/topstory.php?id=4198

"Ulti Doom" is yet another take on Doom 3 weapons/enemies in Doom, but Skornedemon's known to have made some pretty impressive stuff before. Will this succeed? http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=46675

One of our own has just replaced a beta of his megawad. Give it a shot and let him know what you think! http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=46676

===POPULAR MODS===

/vr/:
200 Minutes of /vr/: http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=17781
GMOTA: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=742401
HDoom: http://www.best-ever.org/download?file=m12-hdoom-techdemo5.pk3
Metroid Dreadnought: http://zandronum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=4561

Other:
Doom RPG: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=33292
DoomRL Arsenal: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=37044
Hideous Destructor: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=12973
Hocus Doom: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=45804

Got something news-worthy? Reply to this post, or it'll likely be missed.

Hm yes I think this is enough gun.

>>1936421
What the fuck is this?

>>1936407
WHY ARE YOU SUCH A BETA BITCH?

I'm wanting to make some maps in Doom, I have all the resources and stuff but I'm wondering, what would you guys consider the important aspects of a Doom map? Is it speed? Realism? Secrets? What makes for the best Doom map?

>>1936454

Flow and direction are the absolute most important parts of a map.
At all times, the player should at least have an idea of what he should do next and where he should go next. Even if he has to wander around and experiment a bit, there should always be at least an idea.

>>1936454
fun, fun makes the best doom map
have someone test it, if they grin, you win

>>1936468
Hmm, makes sense. It sounds a bit like a blurry spectrum between too linear and too open, but the best way to find that sweet spot is through experimenting.

>>1936471
Which is admittedly why I came to ask, I personally feel the best Doom maps are ones where there's this consistent sense of action. If you're waiting for anything, you're doing it wrong. Gotta keep rippin' and tearin'.

>>1936454
What the other guys said.
Also exploring stuff can be fun, to find hidden little stashes of ammo or health in some corner, or secret compartments.

Also, while you don't have to go all Gothic99 or anything, do put -some- effort into detail, all plain rooms with no depth or interesting things going for them can get quite boring.

Also, PLEASE replace the stock .midis, even if they're just .midis from another iwad/the same iwad in another order, music can do great things for atmosphere, nothing kills my enthusiasm as much as booting up a map(set), and hearing D_RUNNIN for the millionth time. Also consider replacing the stock sky textures, that can entirely change the look and feel of a map.

>>1936486
Make sure the player starts in a safe place. Nothing pisses me off more than a map that starts you in los of hitscanners

>>1936492
I've been looking into plugging in some newer textures, I'm wanting to go for a different feel anyway. No disrespect to the original, but I've sort of gone off it after playing Doom for a while now.

Either way, I suppose deep down a lot of it can only be figured through experimentation.

>>1936501
Oh, believe me, nothing annoys me further than that. A lot of test maps so far are built to keep enemies out of the way for a little bit, enough to let the player get his bearings and start acting.

>>1936423
I think I just popped a Boner.

>>1936454
Basically imo the first episode of doom 1 should give you an idea on what makes a map good. Scythe 2's first few maps are pretty good as well. If your making just straight up maps then this is what you should look into.

Is the Doom community as mentally deficient as the Duke Nukem community? Basically believing it was the only game ever created and creating shitty animations?

>>1936540
No. Read the OP, it says other FPSes are welcome.
We discussed the big Quake Live update.
And as far as I know, we hardly make any animations at all. Except for these.

>>1936554
>And as far as I know, we hardly make any animations at all.

fucking this. we rarely get fanmade stuff made by non-doomers

>>1936540
We mostly like all kind of retro FPS, no exceptions.
because we are not hivemind

>>1936501
For a first map, sure. Later maps can be fine though. But there should be a mix. Alternate between 2 safe, 1 dangerous, and then switch it up somewhere. Create patterns. Always make the red key a trap for 4 maps, then make the blue key a trap.

>>1936540
There is a Duke Nukem community?

Is there a mod that makes Hexen Doomlike?
Like, no fucking hubs, secrets, each class has at least 7 different weapons etc.

>>1936568
No, never. You can have enemies right around the corner, but never facing you right from the start, it's cheap amateur shit

>>1936572
Not that I'm aware of, Anon.

I would love a Hexen patch that gives you a hint as to where the FUCK you're supposed to go, though.

>>1936540
>Basically believing it was the only game ever created

Why in the world would we think that? There's plenty of other fantastic shooters out there.
I'm mostly a hardcore Nintenyearold, myself.

>>1936540
I don't know about the DN community but I can tell you the 'Doom community' on /vr/ is definitely the worst aspect of this board.

>>1936540
>Believing it was the only game ever created
Sorry, I need you to expand on this. How can anyone hold such a mentality?

So I've been playing for a while, but I guess it's time to finally get my hands wet and get into modding.
Do you guys suggest starting with a map or a gameplay mod? And are there any sort of (simple) ideas you'd like to see?

>>1936607
Maps are easier, they don't involve nearly as much actual coding.
You can dip into the ACS for fun stuff, but most of mapping is putting together the actual geometry and figuring out how to get a player to look in the direction you want him to.

Modding has some resources out there, but you're probably gonna want to start by opening up something else. I suggest Brutal Doom Sperglord Edition--because, unlike its parent mod, it has much cleaner code, while still being something you'll easily recognize and having plenty of different basic effects that you'll probably wanna learn.

>>1936454

Okay, here's what's important: Map like John Romero, not like Sandy Peterson.

Romero made KDITD.

Peterson made maps of pain and anguish, like E4M3.

I so sick and fucking tired of people on Zandy saying "RQ" over fucking everything.

Its the end of the goddamn match, when else are you suppose to quit?

Just needed to get that out.

>>1936561
lol yeah right
you clowns know nothing about other retro fps games

>>1936619
I'm going to counter this by putting out that Romero made E4M2, which is worse than any of the ugly maps that Sandy made.

>>1936638
>which is worse

acquire proficiency

>>1936638

Sandy's maps weren't ugly, they were PAIN and ANGUISH, intricate mazes within mazes. Romero made video game levels, which are fun.

>>1936639
>>1936643
I'm inclined to disagree.
I play on UV nonstop, but E4M2 is an unforgivable sin.

>>1936636

wat. DOOMfags span a wide range of people, from Brutal DOOM kiddies to plain Jane DOOMers to oldfags. Only the younger ones and shitposters, er, well, shitpost. Everyone else is here for DOOM, but any non-casual that's played DOOM has probably played other retro shooters.

Build Engine is EOTYAY.

>>1936649

Come on, dude, that was the most obvious possible bait available.

>>1936648
>>1936638

Wait a minute, I /was/ thinking of E4M2. I always misremember it as M3.

I thought Sandy made that one, but I guess I was wrong.

Romero, you sick bastard.

>>1936649
but the vast majority of doom /vr/onies are cancerous bandwagon jumpers from /v/ (like yourself) that know fuck all about retro fps

>>1936540
are you talking about a steam community or an older one for douk?

>>1936658

In case it isn't obvious, Romero has kind of a vicious sense of humor.

>>1936579
Everyone makes this complaint, but the only trouble I ever had was finding an item in the lava cave around mid-game and deducing what the chains by the stairs do in one of the levels in the first hub. Everything else made intuitive sense to me or was at least pretty easy to figure out almost immediately. If you haven't beaten it already, try giving it another chance and just remember to check every corner, even if it seems like there's no reason for something to be there. Hexen's a game of exploration more than anything else.

>>1936698
You're the kind of person who thinks Nethack isn't hard, aren't you.

In all seriousness, it's nice that the exploration is there, but there needs to be a bit more direction in it--maybe an objectives screen, like in Strife.

>I wanna get in them guts gril

Doom guy pls go

How popular are non-linear, Hexen-esque wads? I want to play a few (and maybe make one of my own), but the only one I've heard of is Daedalus.

>>1936709
I'm more an ADOM player, really.

As for Hexen, that'd be a little tricky. The objective is basically going to be "find the next switch, deduce what it opens, repeat". Occasionally you'll have to do some item hunting as well, but that's usually pretty obvious ("hmm, this looks suspiciously like a mask-shaped hole in the wall and pressing <use> tells me I'm right", to name an early example you've probably seen already) and it's a safe bet that the item you want is probably in another area. I guess your proposed patch could basically have "find $item || $switch in $location", but really you can pretty much figure that much out for yourself. The problem is just finding everything, which would make anything else a more of a spoiler than a guide. However, that'd be really helpful for people that end up taking a long break from the game, if nothing else, so maybe you're on to something there.

>>1936740

Not popular to make (since they take a LOT more work), but there's some very good examples out there.
Tei Tenga was one of the first Doom hubs, and is still pretty strong even now.

>>1936741
Yeah, I was specifically thinking of that one for people who put down the game for longer than a few minutes and people like me who spend an hour checking all the wrong nooks and crannies before forgetting what I was looking for

>>1936678

Ha ha,

you're so clueless.

>>1936756
>projecting

>>1936709
But NetHack isn't hard. Game comes shipping with two easymodes that are explained in the damn manual.

>>1936757
>>1936678
Holy shit the ironing.
Go back to your hidey hole, we wanna talk Doom.

>>1936454
If you're going to make hallways and things you can get stuck on, be sure to make unpassable linedefs to smooth it out so you don't get stuck.

>>1936764
Alright.
AtM is absolute shit and it's only redeeming quality is that some sprites look neat.

>>1936757

Says the one that makes baseless assumptions about anonymous posters on 4chan.

>>1936764
yes, i'll let you kids get back to your bandwagon circlejerk

>>1936764

What mapset is that? After Winter's Fury I'm really looking for other snow-y mapsets.

>>1936769
>baseless assumptions
kek
doom kids are literally the worst fanbase on /vr/. it's quite remarkable how badly you retards shit up non-doom FPS threads where your complete lack of knowledge and obvious inability to play video games

>>1936773
Plutonia 2, the map is Black Ice, forgot the number, but it's really the only winter map in the set.

Most maps are pretty good in P2 though.

>>1936775

>you
>your

Professional tip: Broad, sweeping generalizations rarely apply to individuals. I barely even come to boards outside of /o/, but I occasionally come to /vr/ for Fallout and shit and then I sometimes come to the DOOM thread when I feel like playing DOOM or finding some good WADs.

So, yes, baseless assumptions. Assumptions without a basis. Pulling accusations out of your ass.

>>1936779
what wad?

>>1936784
vast majority of doom kiddies are from /v/ and don't know shit about fps, fact

you should stay in /o/

>>1936792
>projecting

>>1936784
Are you retarded or just the other guy samefagging? Stop shitting up the thread, don't respond.

>>1936795
:^)

>>1936792

/v/ is the second largest board on 4chan. It's an easy 50% chance that anyone you respond to has been on /v/ for some time at some point. It's quite the meaningless distinction.

>and don't know shit about fps

It's not a hivemind. Different people have different knowledge. This is really poor quality trolling, but I'm replying so I guess it works.

>fact

Base

less

ass

ump

tions.

>you should stay in /o/

/o/ doesn't discuss vidya much, friend.

>>1936619
I disagree, in part. Elements of Petersen's maps can meld very well with a Romero map, it just takes work and a good eye. What you want in any good Hellbase map is Petersen's (and Tom Hall's) sense of architectural weirdness and mindbending weird rooms but Romero's sense of cool texture usage and realistic-yet-abstract room design. It's a hard line to work.

>>1936803
>doom kiddies
>knowledge
>skill
kek
if you pick doom kiddies you can't pick the other two

>>1936573
If you can't handle a Zombieman or three shooting at you from 600 map units away from level start, you need to fucking git gud

>>1936540
Since the faggot keeps responding to bait, if you have recursive hiding enabled just hide this post.

Ban these:
http://www.nirsoft.net/countryip/de.html

NOW

Wow this much shitposting and we haven't even started talking about brutal doom yet.

Anyway, has the GMOTA guy ever considered making a version of his mod for hexen?

>>1936803
You've just admitted you're from /v/ and that most of /vr/oom's audience is, too. Way to prove him right.

lol at all these people getting massively assblasted by the troll. C'mon guys.

>>1936818

makes me wonder why people stopped sharing news/wads/reviews like they used to do

>>1936810
Zombiemen are one thing, revenants, mancubi, arachnotrons, hell knights and barons of hell are something else entirely.

>>1936814
Seconding this, also suggesting Heretic

>>1936779
jesus fuck everyone stop bickering like my fatass aunt, now wtf is this wad

>>1936817

Because the vast majority of 4chan went through either /b/, /v/, or /a/ when they first came here. It's not just a statistical likelihood, it's practically universal fact.

And I actually am not from /v/. I came to 4chan through /r9k/, for what it's worth.

>>1936826

Accessories to Murder, I assume with Plutonia 2.

>>1936827
>I came to 4chan through /r9k/
hahahahaha that's even worse
what a fruitcake you must be

>>1936826
>that pic
wat, why does doomguy has 4 hands and why is he punching himself

>>1936832

It's Doomguy VS Mario, for some reason.

>>1936826
Plutonia 2 + a DoomNukem (+WildWeasel?) mod. Maybe Accessories to Murder or something or other?

>>1936829
>>1936837
thank you, you are fine gentlemen

>>1936832
i really have no idea what i posted just looks awesome to me

>>1936831

Well, I didn't stick around. It was a shithole then, but it at least had a few gems every once in a while. Not anymore, though. I went for the occasional OC that came up, particularly the always entertaining tard threads, but soon it just became NEETs, feels, and WOMEN ARE WHORES threads. I feel pretty confident in saying I saw some of the last flickers of good content on /r9k/.

Speaking of /r9k/, moot deleted the robot. So, /r9k/ is /b/ 4.0 now, and probably not going to last long. A merciful death, if so, but far too late.

>>1936839
>>1936837
>>1936829
stop fucking spoonfeedin

>>1936421
Nice.

>>1936845
tldr

>>1936845


JESUS FUCKING GODDAMN CHRIST STOP FUCKING REPLYING TO HIIM YOU RETARDED NIGGER COCKSUCKER

FUCK YOU

THAT'S IT. I'M FED UP

>>1936854

tl;dr: /r9k/ is shit, but it used to be less so. Now it's worse. No more robot, so it's /b/ Mark IV.

>>1936847
oh im sorry its just that these two actually fucking did something doom related then just going around shitposting

>>1936856
Dont worry, mods will ban him and sue Disney.

>>1936856
lol
>>1936857
nobody cares faggot

>>1936856

I'm not. I'm pretty sure it's someone else now. But I'm saging for what it's worth.

>>1936847
>>1936829

By the way, download links for them can be found here:
http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?file=levels/doom2/megawads/pl2.zip
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/76650/project%20files/ww-doomnukem.7z
And in case you care much for the HUD:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/cdjq1jg333bfbbf/nc_custom_hud_v1.19.zip
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/u8asqq3xprju1j2/nchud-atm.pk3

>>1936863
kill yourself

>>1936862
>saging the doom babby general
good job, only respectable thing you've been doing all day

>>1936847

>spoonfeeding

>>>/v/

>>1936862
>I'm pretty sure it's someone else now.
>pretty sure
lol you fucking retarded liar
it's either you or it isn't you and you'd know this factually either way
asshat much?

>>1936863
godspeed doom marine

>>1936831
Look, this is the doom general, not the tremendous faggot general.
>>>/lgbt/
Is your natural place.

>>1936845
>browsing /r9k/
hows real life anon

>>1936876
>not the tremendous faggot general.
but that's exactly what the doom general is

VVVVVVIIIIIIIIIDDDDDDDDEEEEEEOOOOOOGGGGGGGAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS

>>1936876
17 year old detected

>Jim Carrey
>white
>implying he's not a JIDF shill

Didn't take long for this thread to go full retard now did it..

>>1936870
What do you get from spoonfeeding a stupid retarded baboon baby?
He should use google, tineye and play other wads for fucks sake.
These threads should be just like /a/, if you havent played enough WADs, you should GTFO!!!!!!
We want top quality posts, not retarded newfags asking for IWADs shit if the links in the MOTHER FUCKING OP

>>1936825
Yeah, Heretic would work even better with GMOTA, Heretic was much more obviously doom reskinned(And there's nothing wrong with that, really.)then Hexen was.

Were being raided by /v/ just ignore it guys.

On topic, what is your favorite MIDI synth/soundfount combo?

>>1936897
>raided by /v/

but the doom general IS /v/

>>1936896
To be honest, I think Heretic is objectively bad because it doesnt feel like Doom, despite eing a Doom clone.
Hexen is superior because it tries to be something completely different

>>1936897

But we CAME from /v/

Lasted three weeks, then we moved to /vg/, we had one thread and then we moved to /vr/

#rekt

>>1936901
fucking THIS
the /doom/ generals are the cancer killing /vr/, we are full of neo-/v/ faggots, just move to /vg/ and /vr/ will become a better place

>>1936895
>>>/pol/

>>1936905
agreed

>>1936905
fucking this

>>1936887
29 actually, not that it matters all that much, you are a tremendous thread derailing faggot regardless of my age.

>>1936889
What on earth possessed you to post something like this in the doom general?

>>1936893
Sad isn't it?

Now, could someone tell me if Demonsteele is compatible with one of the Lite BDs?

>>1936905
While I do agree that these generals should move to /vg/, I wouldn't say /doom/ is cancer, its just....different. Modern source ports imply that the userbase has a lot of youngsters and angsty teens crying and shitposting. Its not the games fault, its the modern source ports causing this

>>1936913
>29 actually
holy shit ahahahaha
you're 29 and you still haven't gotten satiated with doom's incredibly slow, boring and predictable mechanics? are you autistic?

how fucking curious

someone links to a random thread at /vr/ where discussion suddenly turns around someone samefagging to death and bashing /doom/
minutes later he find his way in the new thread

how
fucking
curious

>>1936913
>29

>>1936871

wat. I meant I'm replying to someone that is not the original shitposter, probably.

Ok guys, whats happening right now?
Who's raiding us? Is it the /doom/ shitposter? Is it /v/? /b/? I dont know, I just want this shit to stop

Hey guys, I've only ever played doom 1 and doom 2, a handful of common map wads and chex quest but I feel like playing one of the other doom engine games.

Heretic or Hexen first?

>>1936918
>samefagging
denial is a coping mechanism anon. I hope you don't live your entire life like this. it's better to confront your problems truthfully, you'd be a stronger man for it with great character

>>1936895

>he's retarded because he doesn't know one thing
>tineye a DOOM screenshot that may not exist elsewhere and is mostly black
>X should be like [shit-tier board[
>We want top quality posts
>not retarded newfags
>the links in the MOTHER FUCKING OP

>>>/v/

>>1936924
>raid
first week on 4chan?

>>1936863
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/cdjq1jg333bfbbf/nc_custom_hud_v1.19.zip
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/u8asqq3xprju1j2/nchud-atm.pk3

do i need both of those to use the hud?

>>1936925
>medieval retro FPS
they suck, Heretic is boring (too many ranged weapons), Hexen has way too many puzzles, its too challenging, basically artifical difficulty

>>1936924

Some shitposter is being incredibly persistent and people are responding to him.
This is nothing new or even interesting. We are not being raided, it's just the same old "hurrrr /vr/onies doom babbies" that screams for attention until someone inevitably gives it to him.

there's no damn fucking reason for these threads to go on if people actively refuse to stop replying to shitposters

pull the plug already

The problem isn't the doom, it's the newschool fuckers and their shitty worthless gameplay mods. The most comical thing is that samsarafags actually believe they're superior to brutal doom faggots when in reality they're just as dirty and subhuman.

>>1936878

It's real.

I said /r9k/ is a shithole, man. I don't go there anymore for good reason.

>>1936931
Hexen, then? Gotcha.

>>1936925
hmmm idk man I would flip a coin imo

>>1936929
Actually I've been here since 2012, back then a Funnyjunk friend gave me a link to a 4chan image, it was funny, so I decided to join.
I am still new, sorry to causing so much trouble

>>1936930

With Accessories to Murder? Yes. By itself, though, all that's needed is the first file.

>>1936934
indeed. time to move to /vg/ where you truly belong

>>1936935
all /vr/oombabbies are imported cancer from /v/

>>1936935
Nice try Sgt. Mark / Terminus

>>1936940
*pats newfriend on the head and ruffles his hair*
atta boy

>>1936935
You are fucking retarded if you think that samsara players are anywhere near the mentality of a BD faggot baby

>>1936940

Here's a protip, anon. If you get 4chanX you'll be able to hide posts recursively. Hide the post that started this, and viola! All future shitposts responding to it and responding to responses are gone.
It's magnificent.

>>1936948
Yeah man, go on believing that. In your heart, you know I'm 100% correct-as-fuck.

>>1936947
*nods respectfully towards you*
lol, so silly

>>1936953
*unzips dick*

No troll post.

Is brutaldoom worth it? Or is just mindless gore for the edgy kids?

>>1936949

>if I close my eyes, it will go away!

you're worse than the evil you're fighting against

fucking report that shit instead

>>1936949
Thank you, I didnt expect to meet kind anons helping newfriends like me to not respond to shitposters.
I almost fell for the trap, I'll gladly take your advice and hide and ignore these posts.

>>1936957
It's OK, if awkward, but mindless gore.

>>1936957
Its fun, makes many aspects of the original boring engine more realistic and dramatic

>>1936959
blow it out your ass

>>1936957
Brutal Doom is what Doom would have been like if it had been released recently. It adds some features from more modern FPS games(sights, reloads, locational damage etc)and ports them over to doom. It also adds lots of gore and makes the enemies more dangerous to you while also making you more dangerous to them.

It basically dials the run&gun gameplay of standard doom up to 11.

If that sounds appealing to you then give it a try.

>>1936957
>No troll post

I like how some idiots think we circlejerk. PROTIP:we don't, see /vg/ generals about dead games or /ksg/

If you seriously think we are a stupid circlejerk and we should move to /vg/ take in mind the following 5 facts

1)/vr/ is slower and by /vg/'s posting standards, we could die faster before we could say WHOOPS. That and there will be more shitposters because of crossgenerals

2)/vr/ actually helps[Helpful FAQ, people answers questions instead of going >spoonfeeding or "boku no google" unlike 70% of the generals of /vg/ and actually discusses doom most of the times[until these shitters spawn] unlike some generals of /vg/ that spend most of the time cirlejerking about their waifus or saying ">playing general's X game". And don't act like this is the only general in /vr/, there's also the GameTech general[Which imo, its slower than this], CRT general, the Emulation general, the infinite Reseller hate threads and sometimes XCom, (Heroes of) Might & Magic and/or any other retro game, and they could get the same number of users, different thing we are faster because of these super shitters.

3)The community here is chill [until again, you chicken shitters spawn] and even if someone like TerminusEst13 is from /v/ or other board, it doesn't mean he's going to shitpost because he's from X board you hate, and the same could apply to some people that come here, specially if they deliver good stuff, and even the same could apply for the users who come here asking for help to make maps

4)The Drama that's recently happening[i.e. IMX incident] is mostly from the IRC channel and to be fucking honest, its fucking unrelated now, if someone is starting to sir up shit using the IMX vs Doland issue, is just a stupid nobody that wants to shit down the threads, and probably is the same idiot that tried to kill the Arino general
.
5)These shitters are nothing but passagers of the Jelly train.

I actually really liked some of the Doom II maps, even if they weren't very good on a technical level. Some of them are just neat.

>>1936976

I appreciate your post but

>and to be fucking honest, its fucking unrelated now

cool down that passive aggressiveness
just a suggestion

>>1936976
sorry but tldr
you're all cancer and you belong on /vg/
of course youd be fast enough
this shithole thread is always on the front page of /vr/

>>1936984
top kek

>>1936982
To me at least, forgot to say in my opinion, i blame the word limit

>>1936981
doom 2 is better than the first you fucking faggot
stop parroting everything retards say on /vr/oom and make up your own damn opinion about shit once in a while
better yet just fuck off

>>1936976
>doom
>not a dead game
Ebin maymay friend I upvoted ;vD

>>1936984
I put a TL;DR: below, you are aboard the Jelly train. You have to be thankful though, if this place had an account system, your ass could have been permabanned and to the far point, people could track you and warn everyone that you are a shitter

Just saying

>>1936976
>>1936976
>IMX incident
>IMX vs Donald issue
Why do people always mention them if the /doom/ generals are about to derail? Whats the point?
I dont even know what happened, but this just makes me even more curious.

>>1936981
2 is a mixed bag for me. Thhe techbase and sewer maps are alright, the city maps are godawful but hell is fucking rad

>>1936991
>Old game[probably older than you, lol] that's 20 years old and keeps getting fan-made content
>Implying dead

You guys know today is Sunday right? You know, the worst fucking day to be on this site?

>>1936993

It's nonsense drama that people blow out of proportions to try and derail things further.

>>1936987
E1 > E2 > E3 > Doom 2 hell levels > E4 > Every other Doom 2 Level >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doom 2 Detroit Levels.

>>1937002

TIL, Detroit is in Texas

>>1936993
Because along with pretending that you are a /vr/ resident that hates the doom general, Brutal Kiddies that try to bring stupidly old drama and >>>/vg/ guy, its used to derail the threads, and i only posted the IMX incident AS AN EXAMPLE

>>1936996
>the city maps are godawful but hell is fucking rad

My exact thoughts.

Except Tenements. I actually liked that one.

>>1937004
nice try Donald

>>1937007
Cool post, anon

:^)

How it feels to chew the new 5gum

>>1937002
My fucking man.

>>1937012

Oh god, seriously fuck that map.

>>1937012

I've always wondered, are the weapons from Project MSX ripped from another/other game/games? I remember one gun model looking like it came from another game, but I forget which gun and game it was.

>>1937012
itbegins.png

>>1937015

Sort of.
From what I gather, MagSigma gathered up a bunch of models off GameBanana and slapped them on his own custom-modeled handset and then went to town animating them.

>>1937015
The nail shotgun is a modified version of the Halo shotgun.

Not sure about the rest.

>>1937015
Well, the arms[inc. greanades] are from Crysis, and i think the pistol, AR and the Gauss Rifle are from Crysis too[unsure about AR tho]
The autoshotgun is an edited famas from counter strike source[unsure tho]
The nailshotgun and auto-cannon are from F.E.A.R.
I don't know from which game is the Plasma Rifle

>>1936957
(Wait for someone to just reply saying "wah why are you discussing BD any mention is shitposting even if you're discussing the actual mechanics wah")
Brutal Doom has it's good and its bad.

>THE GOOD
Sgt. Mark managed to wrestle all this shit to work with Zandronum. There's lots of neat shit that the mod actually wrestled in to make work with the code. 3D Models, Simulated dynamic lights in software, it's all technically impressive that it works.

The mod is pulse-pounding and fun and fast. It definitely is a blast to play for the first few minutes.

>THE BAD
...After that, the holes show in the façade.

Balance is out the fucking window. What Sgt. Mark claims is a "rebalancing" causes projectile-based monsters to throw deflated party balloons at you, while gun-toting monsters wreck your shit faster than you can say "I'M A MAN AND A HALF!"

Speaking of things you can say, the sounds are taken up to eleven in a bad way. Almost every single sound you hear tends to get on your nerves after the five thousandth time you hear it. Hearing "Auuohah!" via pain feedback from monsters is neat. Hearing it every single time you kill something and it decides to moan on the ground for a while becomes painful to hear. Not to mention many things (like the quotes from the comic and pretty much all of the guns) are loud as HELL. You can even hear the clipping in a few of them.

Furthermore, if you were hoping for something that melds well with the classic Doom game, you're out of luck. Reloading causes the flow to be periodically stagnated, as the constant sudden switching between "I'M A MAN AND A HALF" and "Hold on I have 2 bullets in my clip" can take you out of the game long enough to realize the flaws. Guns absolutely require freelook (looking up and down with the mouse), and feature an ADS system which further slows down the just-point-and-shoot nature of Doom.

So, basically, it's fun in short bursts.

Then i died after that because of the massive number of demons

>>1937021
Plasma is from unreal

>>1937023
The sperglord edition fixes some things on ">THE BAD" section

Newbies who want to try brutal doom should try Sperglord edition, imo

Remember:
Report everyone who is mentioning Brutal Doom, including this post. They are all shitposters

>>1937023
>>Balance is out the fucking window. What Sgt. Mark claims is a "rebalancing" causes projectile-based monsters to throw deflated party balloons at you, while gun-toting monsters wreck your shit faster than you can say "I'M A MAN AND A HALF!"

Bullshit, Imps are the only enemy you can sort of claim this for, all the other enemies that fire visible projectiles are just as dangerous as they were before if not moreso. The stuff about gun enemies being much more dangerous is absolutely true though.

>>Speaking of things you can say, the sounds are taken up to eleven in a bad way. Almost every single sound you hear tends to get on your nerves after the five thousandth time you hear it. Hearing "Auuohah!" via pain feedback from monsters is neat. Hearing it every single time you kill something and it decides to moan on the ground for a while becomes painful to hear. Not to mention many things (like the quotes from the comic and pretty much all of the guns) are loud as HELL. You can even hear the clipping in a few of them.

The sounds could use a little work, yeah.

>>Furthermore, if you were hoping for something that melds well with the classic Doom game, you're out of luck. Reloading causes the flow to be periodically stagnated, as the constant sudden switching between "I'M A MAN AND A HALF" and "Hold on I have 2 bullets in my clip" can take you out of the game long enough to realize the flaws.

Just switch to a different weapon.

>>Guns absolutely require freelook (looking up and down with the mouse),

Which is perfectly fine, as it's not 1994 anymore and most people play Doom with mouselook now.


>>and feature an ADS system which further slows down the just-point-and-shoot nature of Doom.
The ADS system is only present the Assault Rifle and the pump Shotgun, none of the other weapons use it and even the aforementioned Rifle and Shotgun do not require the use of said sights to function at all. The only time the sights are really necessary is at long range.

>>1937048
Go ahead and stop me, i'm playing BDSEwhy the fuck its not called Sperglord's Mod, it could make a good pun and enjoying it

Ok, so I've been playing brutal doom. Can someone explain to me the big in-joke about hating it or something? Whats so bad about it?

Random screenshot time

>>1937085
Did she fuck the Nazi afterwards?

>>1937083
It's not really bad, but there are elements of it that people dislike, like bullet holes or fatalities becoming annoying or whatever. It's a popular mod which makes it an even easier target as well, especially when people credit it as 'the way doom should have been' or 'the only way to play doom'.

Also Sgt. Mark was being mean and racist on the forums so sometimes it's less with people having an issue with the mod and more with the author.

>>1937083
Read the posts above yours.

>>1937083
Not everyone hates it here though, but we recommend the Sperglord edition

the problem is that the v19 is a bit unbalanced, too much gore is not a valid complain but the time that gets spent in fatalities can be an issue[You have I-frames though and some fatalities are cool] and the sounds are a problem sometimes[fixed on SE]

There's nothing bad about it, the problem is how it gets over-rated to the point it stirs up shit

>>1937015
Plasma gun is from Unreal Tournament 2004 I think.

>>1937107
>37107 ▶
>>>1937015
>Plasma gun is from Unreal Tournament 2004 I think.

Sometimes I forget that UT2004 had a Plasma Gun, just that they turned it into the Link Gun, which was a neat concept

>>1937115
The link gun and the plasma gun in MSX are different. MSX's comes from the Shock Rifle model.

>>1937095
>>1937097
>>1937096
Oh, okay. I expected to get yelled at. Are there any more must-play wads (what's that even stand for, am i using it right?) other than Doom/Blood/Duke?

>>1934607
>Why do these girls get excited when you hit them?
>Also, what's in this gun?

>>1937129
here

>>1937129
Try out Nazis! if you want some Doom-ish Wolfenstein

>>1937134
Thanks a ton pal

>>1937134

Shouldn't The Sky May Be be included in the historical section?

>>yes

>>1937143

What's historically notable about it?

>>1937145
If that's meant to bother me you have succeeded.

>>1937146

Well, first off it's infamous and famous as one of the worst WADs, one of the best WADs, one of the dumbest WADs, one of the most genius WADs, and one of the funniest WADs. It's one of the earlier DOOM WADs and is one of the largest. It had a DHE patch that was off the wall and changed the game to a large degree in several interesting ways.

I don't guess it changed the world or anything, but it's definitely one of those WADs that every DOOMer should play for better or for worse.

gamecrashedafterwards

>>1936821
Well, no shit, that's common sense. You don't put mid or boss-tier monsters where they can immediately kill the player upon spawn. That would suck.

Anybody got some cool decorations? I'm trying to add some new ones for variety via Dehacked but need some sprites.

>>1937180

Same.
Anyone have anything?

>>1937156
I thought that Doom monsters addon didn't work in the game any more due to an update?

>>1937056
That guy is seriously a pain.

>>1937156
Does it always crash when you try to edit bones? Or was it only that one time?

>>1937210
I don't think there was a point where it didn't work beyond the span of maybe a day after a gmod patch.

>>1936847
Because helping others by answering their question is obviously a very bad thing and should be considered a deadly sin.