/vr/ - Retro Games

>>1922031
MSX2 Metal Gears are best in the series.

>>1922031
Loved 1 hated 2.

2 felt clunky, graphics were okay but often what you needed to do was obscured in some way by them. Also that needless gigantic border.

>>1922031

You can divide the Metal Gear series into three (or four) parts:

1. Classic series. MG1, 2, MGS.
2. Patriots storyline. MGS2, MGS4
3. Big Boss storyline, MGS3, Peace Walker, MGSV

I like the classic series the most. The music, the more straight forward storylines. The Patriots stuff is where I think the series jumped the shark and got too silly.

They also have the best music. Very underappreciated. Catchy, chiptune style stuff. MGS has probably one of the best scores period.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-H0fmG9ffI

A lot of the later games have some rather generic hollywood action music for much of it, which is pretty forgettable.

>>1922042
>hated 2

>>1922059
Yeah, everything after MGS2 feels like its part of a different series. It's inevitable that you're going to retcon stuff at some point when you have a series that has been around as long as Metal Gear has, but they changed way too much of the past from MGS3 and onward.

>>1922042
>2 felt clunky, graphics were okay but often what you needed to do was obscured in some way by them
What's wrong with the game's puzzles? I thought the manual told you everything you needed to do.

>>1922059
This guy.

I loved that score, this game had a memorable ost and gameplay. I'm not sure how to express this, everything in MG2 hit me hard, it felt like playing Zelda - A Link to the Past for the first time: the graphics, the freedom, the itens and their usage, the map and this is not nostalgia talking. I played this last year, right before MG1, which I thought it was quite nice, the rough concept of a stealth game, but it was MG2 that really got me.

I didn't expect all this when I decided to play the MSX2 metal gears before replaying MGS. I could tell right there how this series survived until now.

2D Metal Gear tier list
Metal Gear GB > 2 > Snake's Revenge > 1 > NES
Feel free to argue otherwise.

Bumping this thread as I need some quick advice here. I'm a poor fag, but really wanna get into MGS, or MG in general. I have a flashcart for my DSi and I thought it would be good to just start right from the beginning of the series with some comfy emulation. At least until I can afford a PSTRIPPLE with The Legacy Collection. So how do the MG games on MSX compare to the NES ports? And is the MSX emulator for DS solid? Should I play all of them or are any worth skipping? And is the GBC game as godlike as everyone says?

>>1925026
MY NIGG-

>just remembered I lent that game to some guy in high-school and never got it back

Fuck...

>>1922140
Not that guy, but MG2 had some pretty damn silly puzzles, at least one of which is easily runner-up for dumbest puzzle in any game. The owl puzzle...

>>1926206
I have no experience with MSX2 emulation on the Nintendo DS, but if you're going that route, make sure you download the fan-translated versions, since Metal Gear 2 was Japanese only. Keep in mind that both Metal Gears on the MSX2 require you to use the F# keys to access item and weapon menus.

The NES Metal Gears are very different from the MSX2 versions. Technically, only the NES version of Metal Gear 1 is a port and it's very different from the original (and arguably not as good). Snake's Revenge was a separate sequel for the NES made without Kojima's involvement.

>And is the GBC game as godlike as everyone says?
It's not a flawless game, but it's pretty much the 2D Metal Gear formula in its peak, since every game afterward was in 3D.

Do you own PS2? You could just order MGS3: Subsistence, which has a second disc with both MSX2 games in it.

>>1922059

>>1926587
I'm fucking not retro

>>1926229
>Metal Gear GB cover with Snake and Chris
Is that the European version?

>>1926801
Yup.

Metal Gear 2: the only game where you can be killed by a poisonous fucking hamster.

overall the first 2 metal gear games are great but they both rely on backtracking way too much.

the best way to play the series is in release order. I love seeing how the controls and gameplay evolve over time.

>>1926945
>overall the first 2 metal gear games are great but they both rely on backtracking way too much.
MGS1 and 2 were just as guilty of that though.

>MFW the Metal Gear I've played is Snake's Revenge
It had some ballin' music.

http://youtu.be/dy9rZeOpaoM

>>1927771
>Dat Big Boss transformation song

>>1927778
Also,
>Dat main theme replayed at the final section

The whole sequence from meeting Big Boss to the rush to getting to the metal gear in time, and then blowing it up felt really dramatic.

Metal Gear 2 has some of the best overall level design in the series. The game mechanics are fairly simplistic (though complicated for the time), but the enemy placement and design complement it perfectly. Far better than in Metal Gear Solid, which is pathetically easy to sneak through thanks to the myopia of the guards. It's an excellent game. The puzzles are a bit obtuse, but the game's manual tells you everything you need. The rest you can get from Snake's radio contacts.

>>1922059
This is stupid. Metal Gear Solid 4 has far more in common with Metal Gear Solid 3 than Metal Gear Solid 2.

>>1925026
MG2 is better than GB.

GB is very good, though.

>>1927942
It blew me away that you could lean against walls in a Gameboy game. Silly I know but I was really impressed

>>1927771
>>1927778
>>1927791
Nice to see some Snake's Revenge appreciation in this thread. I always hit the roof everytime someone dismisses it as a "crappy spinoff" in the occasional Metal Gear threads on /v/.

>>1926569
Cheers for such a detailed post, Anon! You're a true patriot. I do have a PS2, so thanks for the heads up. It would certainly be less trouble than getting all the emulators running properly, and I can probably afford as little as copy of Subsistence. I have one final question though, would MGS1 work on a PS2 Slim?

>>1927938
>This is stupid. Metal Gear Solid 4 has far more in common with Metal Gear Solid 3 than Metal Gear Solid 2.

How? It's a direct sequel to 2, and deals with the plot of that. Tries to tie up everything there.

Nobody believe me when I say Ghost Babel is one of the best Metal Gear games I've ever played.

God tier plot, god tier level design. Clearly a lot of the game sections were an inspiration for MGS3

>>1929369
The game design and narrative are more of a sequel to 3 than 2. There's none of the postmodern structure of MGS2 to be found in 4.

And let's not forget that MGS4 made the Patriots Naked Snake's support crew. MGS4 is more of a sequel to MGS3 than it is MGS2, even if its goal was tying off 2's loose ends.

>>1929390
it's easily the best 2D game, only people who say otherwise are the ones you haven't played it

>>1929405
>And let's not forget that MGS4 made the Patriots Naked Snake's support crew.

That's thrown in at like the last 15 minutes. It's just there to tie the games together and tie loose ends.

>>1922042
not being able to move diagonally kills the game for me

not being able to *shoot* diagonally kills binding of isaac for me, but not /vr/

>>1929420
But it's a major part of the game that colors the entirety of what came before. Same with EVA's appearance for little reason. It's thrown in ham-handedly at the end (along with Big Boss's hilarious reappearance itself), but it has gigantic repercussions for interpreting the entirety of the series' plot.

>>1929335
>I have one final question though, would MGS1 work on a PS2 Slim?
I'm pretty sure it does.

>>1929335
every sony console up through the vita can play PS1 games, and every one of those with a disc drive can play the originals

thats just how it do

>>1929428
Honestly, MGS4's biggest narrative mistake was trying to wrap up every loose end from MGS1-3 in one game. MGS4 should've just been about Snake and Otacon chasing after Ocelot in the middle east with a new supporting cast. No Meryl, Raiden or Big Mama. But hey, at least Raiden got his own cool spinoff game thanks to MGS4.

>>1929490
This, absolutely. It should have been a thematic end to Snake's tale; not a goddamned clusterfuck of a denouement that tries to explain everything away with nanomachines.

I really hope Kojima hates MGS4 enough to not do that to us with V.

>>1929593
The whole nanomachines thing in MGS4 gets blown away out of proportions (since nanomachines already existed back in MGS1). I'm referring more about stuff like Meryl hooking up with Akiba, the Patriots being Big Boss's support crew from MGS3, Eva turning out to be Solid and Liquid's surrogate mother and the whole undoing of MGS2's ambiguous nature by bringing back Raiden and Rose.

mgs1 is one of my favorite games of all time. the others are:

ocarina of time
final fantasy 7
smash bros melee
f zero gx
dark souls

Is there are a mod that allows you to play the PC version of MGS1 with Japanese voices? I want all the extra features from Integral, but with Akio's voice.

Is there full scans of this book?

Do bullets do less damage when you play with 2 players? It seems harder than single player.

>>1925026
I completely agree with you

>>1931659
Bumping with another scan I've found.

I started playing mgs1 for the somethingth time but this is the first time I ever got past revolver ocelot without quitting
>that torture sequence
>you have to do it again

>>1934558
Play some more Track and Field.

Wait so there was games before Metal Gear Solid? They look shit in comparison

>>1934917
Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 for the MSX. (And the shitty NES ones)

Metal Gear is interesting but a product of its time. Metal Gear 2 is excellent, better than MGS1 in my opinion.

http://nintendoeverything.com/kojima-despises-mgs-nes-doesnt-mind-snakes-revenge-led-to-future-mgs-games/
>I wasn’t involved with Snake’s Revenge for the NES either. However, this was created by the Kobe development team and wasn’t what I would consider a ‘bad game.’ Actually, one of my juniors was working on the NES Snake’s Revenge and he said to me, ‘We’re making a sequel to Metal Gear, but what I really want is a true sequel made by you, Kojima-san.’ It’s because of that request that I ended up creating Metal Gear 2 on the MSX2. If Snake’s Revenge for the NES had never existed then there would not have been an MG2 and there would never have been an MGS for the PS1.
Welp.

>>1922059

MGS2 actually hadled the Patriots really well

http://www.metagearsolid.org/reports_vr_theory_2e.html

4 was really bad tho.

2 is really more similar to 1 anyhow.

Something I loved about MGS4 which i havnt really seen anyone talk about: You know that scene where there on the boat about to approach arsenal gear. Theres a great scene where snake, octacon, meryl, the whole gang are walking towards the camera looking badass in slow mo. The music has been building up to this point. But when that part of the scene happens, the music hits this awesome melody which is a more "epic" version of the original music on the mgs1 menu screen. Look it up, the track played on mgs4 is called "At Dawn". MGS fanatics will know what im talking about.

Just a little part of that game that i loved. MGS4 gets alot of slack, there are a couple of dumb moments, and i couldve done without the whoe meryl johnny thing, a few cutscenes which were boring as hell... but on the whole, man... when that game came out. I was so hyped - and it certainly lived up to the hype for me. Especially the last boss fight. One of the best boss fights in history if you ask me. Kojima made me proud

>>1934917
>Wait so there was games before Metal Gear Solid?
Where do you think the "Solid" came from?

>>1934937
>And the shitty NES ones
Honestly, I don't get why the NES games have such a bad reputation. I know the NES Metal Gear isn't the ideal adaptation of the game and Kojima practically disowns it, but it's pretty evident that most of the changes were due to hardware differences between the MSX2 and the NES.

Snake's Revenge is fucking awesome for the soundtrack alone.

Really late to the game, but I beat Metal Gear Solid for PS1 a couple weeks ago. I loved it, but there were some really annoying parts, like the controls switching around when you hug a wall, causing me to accidentally turn the corner instead. Also, the final fist fight with Liquid Snake was hellish. I didn't like how your punches didn't always seem to connect, or how Liquid would become invulnerable for 3 seconds every time you hit him. Other than that, I loved it. Psycho Mantis and the Sniper Wolf battles were my favorites.

>>1937185
>Psycho Mantis and the Sniper Wolf battles were my favorites.
Did he knew that you played Castlevania and Suikoden in your memory card?

>>1937202
He told me about Castlevania, yeah. But I have heard about that whole boss fight about a hundred times growing up, so I knew what was coming. It was still cool, though.

>>1937369
Does Mantis ever mention any other Konami game besides Castlevania or Suikoden?

>>1937892
Azure Dreams and Vandal Hearts.
He also mentions Policenauts and Snatcher in the JP version.

>>1937910
>He also mentions Policenauts and Snatcher in the JP version.
You're only half right. He only mentions Policenauts (and Tokimeki Memorial) in the Japanese version. He detects Snatcher, but never mentions it by name (since Kojima didn't handle the PS port).

>>1928502
People also like to pretend the MSX version of Metal Gear 1 was a masterpiece while the NES was a pile of dogshit even though both share a lot of the same flaws.

>>1935385
I disagree, I think 2 would have been a lot better if most of the story wasn't told through codec sequences. It feels like whoever was in charge of making all the cutscenes didn't have enough time to finish them so they just dump these huge audio logs on you.

>>1937972
>both share a lot of the same flaws.
I don't remember the MSX2 version having cheap enemy placement that causes you to get spotted for entering a screen the wrong way.

Posting some scans of a Taiwanese MG1 guide.

>>1939471